Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath (2016–…): Season 3, Episode 5 - Where is Shelly? - full transcript

Tom Cruise and Katie
Holmes made it official

with a Scientology-style
wedding,

exchanging vows in
a royal fashion

at a 15th-century castle
in Bracciano, Italy.

When David Miscavige's
wife, Shelly,

didn't show up at the Tom
Cruise wedding of the century,

it was a very,

very strange state of affairs.

Leah was the only person

who said something about that.

It set off a chain of events
which ultimately led to Leah



leaving Scientology,

and it was also a very
significant moment

in the history of Scientology.

Because it changed a
lot of the media focus

about Scientology.

She's the First Lady

of a controversial religion,

but ten years ago, she
disappeared from public view.

Vanished from public sight...
This is Shelly Miscavige...

A decade ago, hasn't
been seen since 2006.

Why is this now coming up again?

Is it just continued questions?

Since she's left, a lot of
high-ranking former members

of Scientology who were
in that inner circle



that David and Shelly Miscavige
ran at the very top, have left.

Where is Shelly?

I am the writer of the
textbooks of Scientology.

The aim and goal is to put
man in a mental condition

where he can solve
his own problems.

Without any Scientology
organization,

things are not gonna
change on this planet.

After years of slowly
questioning Scientology...

Leah Remini in her
very public break

with Scientology...

Scientology, what they do,
trying to destroy people,

trying to destroy their
families when they leave,

they create a lot of people

who are willing to
fight against them.

Scientology takes
tax-free dollars

and ruins people's lives.

This is not the life
that I want to live.

I wanted to end my life.

Some people it takes a year.

Some people it takes ten years
of just peeling that onion

of how you were manipulated
and made to think.

This season, we really needed
to focus on the reason

why Scientology is able to
do the things that they do.

It's because they have
tax-exempt status.

The people who have
bravely come on

and told their stories

have not told those
stories in vain.

They are having an impact.

We're presenting our
case to the world,

to the FBI, to the IRS.

The most important thing
that has to be done

is the persistent
telling of the truth,

and that's what you're doing.

You have to continue to fight.

You have to continue to
fight for what's right.

So after Tom Cruise's wedding,

I was punished for asking

where the leader's wife was.

I'm asking where
Shelly Miscavige is,

because I knew Shelly.

Because I considered
Shelly a friend.

Look, I have correspondence
from Shelly going back to 2003.

I mean, she would always
write you back right away.

So I start writing
Shelly letters again...

Going, "Hey, haven't
heard from you,"

you know, and I'm never
getting a response back,

So it is really out of character

for somebody like Shelly
to not write me back.

As time went on,

I started to see reports
of other people leaving,

other executives leaving
and talking about abuse.

It was the moment
where I was saying,

"I don't want to be part
of an organization"

that is allegedly
beating its members,

holding them in this
place called The Hole,

and now I'm wondering,

is Shelly dealing
with this herself?

After hearing nothing from
Shelly after six years,

I said, "This is enough".

So I did what I
felt I had to do,

which was file a police report.

ABC News confirming
that Remini filed

a missing person's report

with the Los Angeles
Police Department

on the wife of the man

who runs the Church of
Scientology, David Miscavige.

Shelly has not been seen
publicly in many years

making her current whereabouts
a source of feverish

speculation among the
church's many critics.

So after the police's
press release,

Scientology issued an
official response,

and it is typical Scientology.

"Miss Remini also continues
her obnoxious efforts"

to harass the leader of
the Church of Scientology

and his wife with whom Miss
Remini has been obsessed

"and has stalked for years".

Stalked.

It is amazing how Scientology
takes literally anything

and turns it into a
victim statement.

Scientology is probably
the only organization

that could put people forward,

like Shelly Miscavige
who was very visible

in the Scientology community,
then take them away,

and then say we don't
need to answer

you where a human being is.

Nobody outside of
David Miscavige

and his inner circle
and Shelly Miscavige

herself actually
knows what happened.

The last time I saw Shelly,

she was walking to the
passenger side of the car

and I looked up at her
and she was crying,

and she looked at me and it
was like she wasn't allowed

to have me see her cry,
and she wiped the tears,

and then she got in
the car and left,

and that was the last
time I ever saw her.

She could be sick.

She could have died.

She may be being held
against her will.

There is an almost
unlimited number

of theories.

All of those come about

because Scientology has
never explained it.

The truth of the matter is,
I'd love to leave it alone,

but that's not who I am.

If I just let it go, then
who's asking about Shelly,

and is Shelly just forgotten?

You know, I've known
Janis since 1973,

and she and Shelly

share a lot of the early
life experiences.

Their focus in their life was
devoted to L. Ron Hubbard

and nothing else.

Janis was one of the original
Commodore's Messengers

with Shelly on board
the "Apollo".

The Commodore's Messengers
were teenagers hand-selected

by L. Ron Hubbard to be
with him 24 hours a day.

He was grooming them
to be the elite

of the elite of Scientology.

Janis and Shelly were two of
the original L. Ron Hubbard

Commodore's Messengers.

I too became an L. Ron Hubbard
Commodore's Messenger

who worked directly
with Hubbard.

Mentally, she was
raised to believe

that L. Ron Hubbard was
the savior of mankind,

and that was her
surrogate father.

Right.

Hello.

- Hi.
- How are you?

- Good, how are you?
- Good, good to see you.

- Good to see you too.
- Thanks for doing this.

You're welcome.

I'm Janis Gillham Grady,

an original
Commodore's Messenger

for L. Ron Hubbard
with Shelly Miscavige.

Probably the number one
question we're asked...

- Where's Shelly?
- Where's Shelly?

So tell me how you
guys know each other.

I went to the ship
in January of '68,

and in 1970,

Clarise showed up,
Shelly's older sister.

So we already knew each other,
and then a couple years later

Shelly showed up, and she
was, like, 12 years old.

We were Sea Org members.

We started off with
having to wash dishes

because we needed to
work for our keep.

And your parents
were Scientologists

who were okay with you
just putting you on a ship

and not being your
parents anymore.

Yeah, they were proud
of what we were doing,

and we didn't know
anything else.

For dedicated Scientologists,

having your child join
the Sea Organization

is the greatest honor
that there is.

Children were turned
over by their parents

to the care

of the Sea Organization
exclusively.

Back then, you could send
someone as young as 12

or even younger,

and that's exactly what
happened to Shelly.

What were you thinking as
children that you were doing?

We're here to save the planet.

We're helping people,
making it a better world,

and since the ship was too big

for him to walk around
to look for somebody,

so Messengers were assigned
to him to be his legs

and run around the ship to find
people and to carry dispatches.

When Shelly came onto the ship

and joined you guys and
joined her sister,

what was that like for her?

Well, she was much younger
than the rest of us

so she would get the easy stuff,

hold the ashtray and, you know,

put his coat on him
or take it off.

She was a loner.

Didn't hang out with the girls
as much as we all hung out.

You know, it's like the older
sisters with the younger

one hanging on.

We didn't have parents so we
didn't even think of that

as an issue for even
Shelly, you know?

That she didn't have a
parent wasn't something

we all discussed. We just
kind of lived with it.

It was part of our life
to not have a parent.

You know, as a child on the
ship without your parents...

And that was how it was for
most of us Messengers...

The only parental
type of attention

that we got was from
Hubbard himself

because that's who we saw
every day and related with.

We never talked
about our parents.

It just didn't come in,
and as you got older,

you'd disconnect yourself more
and more and more from them.

Shelly stood out

because of her sort of

steely eyed intent of,

"I am gonna serve L. Ron Hubbard

better than anybody else could serve L.
Ron Hubbard".

Shelly was a Messenger
in training

when we were on the ship.
She wasn't like

a Junior Messenger or
a Senior Messenger.

She was still learning.
But as time went by,

I noticed her dedication
grow more and more

and more than the rest of us.

She was definitely by the book.

Too much by the book.

But she learned that from L.
Ron Hubbard, right?

Yes, because

that's what she grew is
enforcing his orders.

As a parent now, I
mean, when I watched

my kids growing up, I would
look at them and go,

"Oh, what were my parents
thinking, you know?"

I could never have
let my children

at the age of 11 or 12 go

and just be living on their own

on a strange ship in
a strange country

with people I don't
know who they are,

but my parents viewed what we
were doing made them proud

because we were
working for the man

who was leading the way
to saving the planet.

On the ship, our schooling
was laid out by LRH.

We were never taught
history, geography, science,

you know, none of that stuff.

We'd have to do
Student Hat and...

Scientology courses.

Scientology courses and
ship courses as well.

There's times he
treated us very well

and there were times
if you messed up...

You didn't want to mess up.

As new Messengers were
coming and getting trained,

they had to clean the
existing Messengers' cabins

and doing their laundry, and
if they messed up on that,

Hubbard had actually
issued orders

that those people were supposed
to be locked in closets.

Also, Hubbard used to penalize
the students with overboards.

The ship was probably
three stories high,

and they'd pick the
person up and say,

"Commit your sins and
errors to the deep

and hope you will rise
a better thetan,"

and then they'd throw
them over the side.

Watching people go over
who were weak swimmers

or afraid of heights,
they were terrified.

I did watch people terrified
screaming as they go,

or someone having to jump in and
pull them over to the side.

Did children go through
these types of punishments?

I'd have to say yes.

Sea Org members are
raised in an environment

where physical and mental
abuse is the norm.

Small, petty things like
punching someone are irrelevant

in the overall scheme of things.

It is seen as a sign
of your dedication

to accomplishing the aim
of clearing the planet

that justifies all
things being done

in order to achieve that aim.

One of the other
Messengers told me

that Hubbard had said to her,

"I am treating you
like the Hitler Youth"

in that I want you
away from your parents

so the influence on you

is based on me and the
Sea Organization.

I don't want anything
interfering with that

in the way that you are raised.

Well, that's how we were raised.

One year, it was Father's Day.

We didn't know when
Father's Day was.

And he said, "Don't I get
anything for Father's Day?"

So L. Ron Hubbard
takes these children

and these girls,

and he basically creates
his own little family.

He takes away their parents,
and those kids grow up

to believe that L. Ron
Hubbard is their dad.

That's exactly how he wanted it.

When my sister got
married, she had commented

and asked if our dad could come
to the ship to give her away

when she was getting married,

and he felt a little insulted
that she would even mention

bringing her dad to the
ship to give her away,

so when she got married,
he gave her away,

and our real father
didn't get to come.

One of the other Messengers
showed me a dispatch

that Hubbard had written
to the guardian's office

asking them to check into
him adopting children

from an orphanage around
the age of 10 and 11

so that there are no
parents influencing them,

and that way, he can adopt them
and train them into Messengers.

- It's so sick.
- Wow.

So fucking sick.

Were you there to see the
beginnings of the romance

between Dave and Shelly?

Yeah, because, you
know, we were...

There was a small group
of us, probably 40,

and then 60 adults,

and a small group of Messengers.

Dave, you know, 16 years
old, Shelly 16 years old,

and maybe there's a handful
of them at that age.

Yeah.

So maybe there's three
girls for two guys.

Right.

And so that's kind of
how that started off.

To an outsider,
it's a little hard

to understand. This
is a very tiny world

composed of tens or
hundreds of people

at the most who you
associate with.

You can't have a friendship
outside of that organization

or that group of people.

Literally, you can't even
maintain communication

with people outside
of that group.

You know, we'd always joke,
"Ah, Dave, you know,

maybe Shelly and you would,
you know, work out together".

And then there was a point
where the Messengers,

we ended up in LA, and
Shelly was still in Hemet,

and Dave used to...

Every weekend or
liberty that he had,

he would either drive up

to Hemet or Shelly
would drive down

so That they could
see each other.

What was he like then, David Miscavige?
Charming?

A different person, yeah.
Very charming.

Personable. We used
to call him the kid.

Weddings that we had was always

a nice escape from life,

so we always enjoyed
a good wedding

and everyone partied and danced

and that type of thing.

Why do you think you are
here and Shelly isn't?

She doesn't know anything else.

- Well, neither did you.
- Well, I didn't either,

but you know what?

I had a husband who
came in when he was 21,

so at least he had a
little experience outside,

and I had a brother outside, and
I had a sister outside now.

I was the only one
left in there,

and slowly you peel the onion,
and it comes off in layers,

and some people it takes a year,

some people it takes ten years
of just peeling that onion

of how you were manipulated
and made to think.

- So you believe she's well?
- I don't know.

She might be dead, I don't know.
But I...

That's the point,
nobody does know.

Nobody knows, but
I've heard rumors

that she was sent to CST...

Church of Spiritual Technology,

and I've heard
that's where she is.

Understand as a
Scientologist, like,

I didn't even know
Gold existed, right?

Like, I'm going through
my Scientology career

and I hear about
this secret base

called Golden Era Productions,

you know, I didn't even
know that existed.

Now I'm hearing another
level of some crazy shit

called CST.

CST, or Church of
Spiritual Technology,

was established to "preserve"
the writings and words

of L. Ron Hubbard for eternity,

for future generations,
for future planets.

They have engaged over many
years in an extensive program

of taking all the written

and spoken words of L.
Ron Hubbard

and putting them into
indestructible form, literally.

Etched onto stainless
steel plates,

held in titanium containers
filled with Argon gas,

covered with tiles
from the space shuttle

to prevent them from
ever burning up

in an atomic explosion.

This is tens if not hundreds

of millions of dollars

have been invested
in this program

digging underground vaults
and storing the writings

and words of L. Ron
Hubbard for the future.

The Church of Scientology

drew on ancient techniques

and pioneered new advances
in archival technology

to defy the elements

and safeguard its
most precious asset,

it's religious technology.

Passion and perseverance

fueled one of the world's
youngest religions

to take on humanity's
oldest adversary,

time itself.

If it was me, I would have had
Shelly dressed up all nice

and smartly showing
everybody on film

and giving them a tour
of that location,

and it would be kind of
like, "In your face.

"Here she is doing
well, showing you all

"what a great job she's
doing with this team,

this preserving the
LRH technology".

But they missed
that opportunity.

I just hope that she is well,

but if she is there and if
she does want to leave,

she has no way out, because
that place is fenced in.

There's security guards,
there's cameras,

and she is a high-security risk.

Tom DeVocht is a former
Sea Org executive

who became very close to
Dave and Shelly Miscavige.

We hope that Tom
has some insight

into what might have happened

to her and why.

So the reason that we wanted
to speak to you was because

we've spoken to a few other
people about Shelly,

and I know that towards
the end of her tenure

before she disappeared,

you were one of the people
that was very close to her,

so we want to hear, like,
your perspective about her.

What you know about her.
What did she know?

What was it that caused her
to be disappeared in the way

that she is being disappeared?

Yeah, and I'm surprised it
didn't happen way earlier,

personally, but, I mean, "How
did she last that long?"

The first time I met Shelly,

that I remember, I was
in Clearwater, Florida.

I knew a bit about her because
my little brother, Tony,

he was under Shelly.

Tony told me he loved Shelly.

Shelly took him under her wing

and seemed to really
care about him.

And what people should know is

that it might not sound
weird for somebody

to be compassionate towards
another human being,

but this is not
normal in the Sea Org

to have empathy or compassion.

But particularly under
Miscavige or...

- Yes, and David Miscavige...
- Yeah, most everybody, I mean,

so I thought, "Okay,
compassionate person".

Yeah.

I didn't get the
relationship with Miscavige.

The relationship was more she...

COB assistant, not
Shelly, my wife.

In the case of Dave Miscavige
and Shelly Miscavige,

I mean, Dave Miscavige
was sir, COB,

and Shelly was sir,
COB assistant.

There's just... and you can't
question Dave Miscavige,

and you can't question
Shelly Miscavige,

but here's what's
significant to this story

is that Shelly Miscavige
would be penalized

for questioning David Miscavige,

just as any Sea Org
member would be penalized

for questioning

having the balls to
question David Miscavige.

So that needs to be very clear,
because you're sitting at home,

a wife, going,

"You know, hey, if my husband
was the head of a corporation,"

a business, the President
of the United States,

when he got home, we
wives, no, we'd be like,

"Hey, what the fuck you
doing with this country?

"You need to knock
that shit off.

Like, I'm not down with that".

And the same with a wife of
a very powerful husband.

That is not the case here.

As time went on and I started
seeing the inner workings more

and I started understanding
the dynamics there,

it's a whole different story,

but this is when Miscavige
was taking over.

Everybody was on a first-name
basis to begin with

that first event. "Hey, Mike.

Hey, Mark and Dave,"
and, you know,

and then each event
it got more and more,

"Yes, sir," and he told me,
"I don't know why you think

you work for Mark Yager,
you work for me".

And from an organizational
perspective,

that was a very wild,
weird comment,

but it said he's taken
over and fuck everybody

and fuck the
organizational pattern.

He's the guy. There
were wild things

that happened like the
yelling and screaming,

and throwing water and
bringing in a fire hose

and wetting the place
down, just crazy stuff.

In retrospect, like
right now I'm thinking,

"Shelly was pretty quiet
about all that, in fact".

She was not a participant.

- She was a witness.
- She really wasn't.

She was always standing,
like, a few feet back,

required to be there, and
had the demeanor of,

"I wish I wasn't here".

I saw Yeager, Mark Yager, Mark
Ingber, Guillaume Lesevre,

Ray Mithoff, get the
shit kicked out of them,

and I don't mean... this isn't
a beating pulling heads

together at a damn meeting or
the throwing water at them.

He flipped the fuck out.

Shelly was screaming at the top
of her lungs, "Dave, stop!"

It was horrific. These are guys
that were top dogs that got...

They were his favorite punching
bags physically and mentally.

A couple things that happened

with Shelly that
were interesting,

and this is where I knew she
is on the edge too like

I was on the edge.
Building 50s RTC building,

I was sent to Hemet to finish
that building for them.

We were walking
through the building,

we're on the first floor,
and we come around to this

corner has a big vault
built into the building.

Shelly's standing behind him

and we're walking down to
that corner and he stops,

and he starts rubbing
his head and he goes,

"Shelly, what did we
do with the gold?"

- What?
- "What did we do

with the gold?"

Did we bury it? What
did we do with it?"

and she, standing behind
him, turns a little white

and she goes, "I don't know
what you're talking about".

And he goes, "Damn
it, did we bury it?"

and you could tell something
was fucking wrong.

We finished the walk through.
Half an hour later,

I get called up, "Come
up to my office".

And I get up there and she goes,

"Tom, I'm afraid
Dave is losing it".

When she told me
that, I felt relief.

- That she knew something.
- On one hand

that I wasn't the only
one that thought this.

Right, so what happened
in that moment?

What did you say?

I went, "I understand".
And then you could tell

she was sure backpedaling
like she was...

She was scared that
you might report her.

Yeah, exactly. She's
in the same boat of,

"Oh fuck... you know,

this is a friend of
Dave's, potentially ONN".

On the other hand, I
work for Dave so, yeah,

- I could turn her in too.
- Right.

You, Mike, me,

all the guys that got close
to Miscavige at one point

or another couldn't
take it anymore.

She lasted forever,

but nobody could stand it,
you know what I mean?

Really, if you look
at the history of it,

so many people dropped off.

She just kept going, kept
going, and I say that

because I had conversations
with her where I knew

she didn't think much
differently than you and I did.

- What did she think?
- I think that she knew the

guy, David Miscavige, was a nut.

- Right.
- I really did think she knew

that in her heart of hearts.

I bet you she did something
to be forced to go away.

You have to decide,
at some point,

"I'm not doing this anymore".
And at that point...

- She would do what?
- Express that she disagrees.

I don't think Miscavige
made her disappear.

I think she had a
lot to do with it.

I see what you're saying.

You're saying you think
she disagreed with him

and that's where she
is where she is.

Miscavige said he'd
remove me, Mike,

everybody else. He didn't.

At some point, we
went, "Fuck this".

- Right.
- And he knew we were saying,

"Fuck this,"

and I think Shelly probably
did the same thing.

I think at some point she
put her foot down and said,

"I'm done. I can't
take it anymore".

And you think that's...

Her doing that resulted
in her being...

- Hidden.
- Hidden.

Shelly witnessed
virtually everything

good, bad, or indifferent
that David Miscavige

did 24 hours a day

for years.

There is no way that Shelly is
going somewhere unescorted.

She is too much of a liability

to David Miscavige

because of her name,
because of what she knows,

and because she is
a potential threat

as someone that could
be subpoenaed,

someone that could be
contacted by law enforcement

and give information
that in extent

and in depth nobody else has.

I can't explain why she
didn't crack earlier

or disappear earlier or...

I think that maybe it had to
be her belief in Hubbard.

Yes, we know that she was very loyal to L.
Ron Hubbard

because I think she considered L.
Ron Hubbard her father

being that she was dropped off
into the Sea Org so young.

- That could be.
- L. Ron Hubbard raised her.

Or she's just fucking stupid.

And I don't mean it
in a degrading way.

No, no, no, we know
that she's not stupid.

And I'll tell you
why I say that.

Norman Starkey.

This is a guy that everybody
looked up to at one point

because the was the captain
of the "Apollo," the ship,

and I talked to that
guy one time and said,

"You know what's going on,

I mean, with David,"
and he goes,

"I know, but I'm waiting
for Hubbard to get back".

There was a lot of people there,
Leah, that believed that.

- So I really think that...
- Oh, my God.

And this is, this is the guy,

the toughest motherfucker
in the Sea Org.

I just... it, like, I never
even considered this.

Oh... this is very real.

Scientologists believe
you live many lifetimes.

They also believe that L.
Ron Hubbard

will return to finish his
work in Scientology.

Part of that belief
is based on the fact

that L. Ron Hubbard

directed that houses
be constructed

for his return

on various Scientology
properties

around the United States.

I believe that there are six
of them that are being built

to very detailed specifications

for the accommodation

of L. Ron Hubbard in
his next lifetime.

They think he's coming back,
and it's so easy to say,

"You crazy motherfucker".

It's so easy to say,
"You're crazy as fuck".

But at the end of the
day, if you go back

to the indoctrination
of the thinking

that L. Ron Hubbard is
the savior of mankind

or that he's your father,

you're gonna do
everything to protect it.

They don't believe
in David Miscavige,

but they believe in L.
Ron Hubbard,

and they're waiting
for his return,

and if she's alive and well,

Shelly Miscavige
believes that, I think.

So these guys, Mark
Yager, Mark Ingber,

Guillaume, Ray Mithoff,

these guys get that amount of
abuse, they're still there,

and I think it's that belief
that Hubbard's coming back.

That's the only thing
I can make of it...

- Yeah.
- And I think that Shelly

might be the same thing.

She knows a lot more personal...

And much deeper secrets
than we probably knew,

and to have her around,

she probably would talk,
and that's what I mean.

Like her conversation with
me about him losing it

is a conversation she
would have potentially

with somebody that she confided,

so he has to lock
her away, I think,

and not chance that,
you know what I mean?

She knows the whole
thing is nuts.

Yeah, and actually, I
think that the fear

of talking internally
to other people

like Norman Starkey
and Mark Yager

who she has known, actually,
for longer than Dave.

Oh, yeah, I agree,
totally internal.

She starts talking
to those guys,

it's gonna start a whole damn...

Right, he's scared of a mutiny.

- A coup.
- Yeah, oh, yeah.

He's scared... he's
scared if Shelly's...

And if anybody could start
that, that would be Shelly.

- Truly.
- The only person potentially

- that could start it is Shelly.
- I agree, I agree.

So not only does he have her
separated from the world,

right, from the Scientology
world, but he has her...

David Miscavige
has her separated

from other Sea Org
members, makes sense.

Why do you think that no one
has done anything about this?

I think it's protected
as a religion,

and I think you can't...
The FBI said,

"Okay, would you
help us on a raid?"

"Absolutely. I would go in,

"I'd tell you exactly
where to look,

"where to find them sleeping
in their sleeping bags,

everything else, and I think
it's a waste of fucking time,"

and she goes,
"Everybody said that.

Everybody's told me the same thing.
Why?"

and I said, "They're believers".

"They are... You're
gonna walk in there

"and nobody's gonna turn on
you, but they're all gonna go,

'Hey, we're doing this
of our own accord'".

No, but if they said,

"We have reports that
you've been beaten,

that you're held
against your will..."

- And nobody's gonna do that.
- No one will do that.

The guys that would have done
that have sat in front of you.

- Right.
- And that's it.

I mean, the guys
that are in there,

you're gonna get the
occasional, you know, one

that blows you out of there
every once in a while,

but it's...

when you're in
there, it is that...

That's why it's a cult.

Do you believe that if Shelly
was somehow miraculously

able to speak that she
would tell the truth?

Oh, yeah. I think
that if Shelly...

And who knows, maybe
it'll happen.

Shelly is the type that would
do it eventually, I think,

except for that one
belief in Hubbard,

but yeah, I think if
she got out of there,

oh, she'd sit down with
you on camera and go,

"Oh, no, you have no clue, Leah.
Here's the deal".

Well, here's the thing,
I wouldn't want Shelly

to talk to me.

You wouldn't want
her to talk to you?

I'd want her to go to the FBI

and finally shut
it the fuck down.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Shelly has seen
and heard so much

that there is never a
chance that David Miscavige

will allow her to be in
public, to be subpoenaed,

because of what
Shelly witnessed.

I was told by someone that
they had been contacted

by a person who claimed

he had been a part of a

24-hour-a-day watch,

an armed team

who had been located in two
houses across the road

from the entrance to the
Church of Scientology.

Their assignment was
to watch to make sure

that Shelly Miscavige
did not escape.

The only way to really
find out anything further

about it was to go and
take a look for ourselves.

This private investigator,
Robert McClain, also said

that he worked for Talon.

Talon, is a security firm

that is the go-to
PI security firm

that Scientology uses for all
really sensitive matters,

particularly those dealing
with David Miscavige himself.

Yep, standing at the
front with a camera.

The fact that that guy
jumped out when all we did

was drive by the place
supports what McClain said

which was those two houses

are where the Pis
were to watch over

the front entrance of CST.

So over the years
in Scientology,

I've received many letters

from senior executives
of Scientology.

One of the letters from David
Miscavige is interesting.

"You are a true friend,
but I want you to know

I very much consider you
a personal friend".

And then he describes what
LRH says as a friend.

"'And they stand up for
one, give him counsel,

"help him in adversity,

"safeguard his reputation,
won't hear ill of him".

"Thank you for being a
true friend of mine

"and you can know

that I have every intent
of being the same to you".

And he is right.

I am a good friend,

and a good friend doesn't
give up on a friend,

so I'll continue to
ask, "Where is Shelly?"