Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath (2016–…): Season 3, Episode 3 - Spies Like Us - full transcript

So we all know that Scientology

has a policy called Fair Game,

which calls for the
utter destruction

of someone speaking out

or simply doing a
story on Scientology.

Under that banner of Fair Game

is also this area of hiring
private investigators

to follow people who
are speaking out

against the abusive
practices of Scientology.

I'm gonna have him
turn off the camera.

You turn off the camera,
and you and I'll talk.



You came to video people
coming to a birthday party.

There are three men in
a boat with a camera

taking pictures of our backyard.

Scientology has
tax-exempt status.

Therefore, they have
millions of dollars to spend

on simply silencing and
bullying into silence

those people who
are speaking out.

That's insane.

I am the writer of the
textbooks of Scientology.

The aim and goal is to put
man in a mental condition,

where he him... can
solve his own problems.

Without any Scientology
organization,

things are not gonna
change on this planet.

After years of slowly
questioning Scientology...



Leah Remini and her
very public break

with Scientology...

Scientology, what they do,

trying to destroy people,

trying to destroy their
families when they leave,

the create a lot of people

who are willing to
fight against them.

Scientology takes
tax-free dollars

and ruins people's lives.

This is not the life
that I want to live.

I wanted to end my life.

Some people, it takes a year,

some people, it takes ten years
of just peeling that onion

of how you were manipulated
and made to think.

This season, we really
needed to focus on

the reason why
Scientology is able

to do the things that they do

is because they have
tax-exempt status.

The people who have

bravely come on and
told their stories

have not told those
stories in vain.

They are having an impact.

We're presenting our
case to the world,

to the FBI, to the IRS.

The most important thing
that has to be done

is the persistent
telling of the truth.

And that's what you're doing.

You have to continue to fight.

You have to continue to
fight for what's right.

In the 1950s, L. Ron
Hubbard laid out

the operating policy
of Scientology

with respect to its enemies

in a document called the
"HCO Manual of Justice".

That document calls
for the harassment,

the investigation,
the destruction

of anyone deemed an
enemy of Scientology.

How do the
Scientologists find out

what's happening in
the enemy's camp?

Through spies.

They've got more dossiers

and more intelligence
on top leaders

than the FBI, CIA,

Scotland Yard, and the
Interpol put together.

They put a camera in my van.

They photograph me
when I leave my house

to pick up my newspaper.

What's the intention of...
getting all this footage, man?

To document your behavior

and... the reporting
on Scientology.

Is this how this church
goes about its business?

They put private eyes after us.

12 at one point.

Those three followed
us to Australia,

around the States, you name it.

Would you guys follow
me 1,000 miles away?

At least two guys would.

If you needed an example of,

"Hmm, is Scientology

really using its money
to bully people?"

take a journalist named
Paulette Cooper,

who was just doing a
story on Scientology.

How do we know this happened?

Because the FBI raided
Scientology offices

and found Scientology directives

to destroy this woman.

Destroy this woman.

They took her stationery
with her fingerprints on it

and put a fake bomb threat

that almost got her
put in prison.

The lengths that
Scientology went to

to destroy this woman is...
crazy.

They have put detectives on
me, they put spies on me.

A few months ago, they put an
attempted spy on my mother

to try to get information
about me via her.

I had been saying that

these types of things
had been going on,

and people kept saying, "Well,
what is she talking about?

This is a church".

And it was incredible
vindication

to look at these documents
and see that everything

I had said about Scientology
since 1968 was true

and that they had
turned out to be worse

than anything I said
or had even imagined.

Then the IRS is next.

Scientology policy says you
go after the individual,

not the organization.

That's what Scientologists did.

They went after
individual IRS agents.

IRS agents are not
used to having Pls

sitting outside of their house
going through their financials,

seeing if they have a
problem with alcohol.

This is what they were doing.

This went on for years

and years.

And how do we know that?

Because David Miscavige
himself went onstage

in front of thousands
of Scientologists

and said, "That's
exactly what we did".

Well, what is the IRS?

It is a group.

And a group is composed
of individuals.

We decided to play
by their rules

and make this personal.

First, we had
"Freedom" magazine,

and then the International
Association of Scientologists

sponsored more ads
in "USA Today".

You have no idea how much

the IRS hates publicity.

But to see their own faces,

it was more than
they could handle.

They go after former
executives of Scientology,

as they did with Pat Broeker.

They followed the
man for 24 years,

just going on with his life.

How do we know this?

Because the private
investigators

spoke out.

Miscavige came directly to me.

He said, "Marty, you
get on this guy,

'cause I want to know
every move he makes".

He wanted to hear as
many conversations

as we could with Pat.

And we literally recorded
all his conversations.

And then I developed a team...
initially started off

with probably four or five,

you know, group of teams.

Those guys worked
full-time on him.

They were on him all the time
he was in San Luis Obispo.

They followed him literally
when he moved to Colorado,

when he moved briefly to
Wyoming, back to Colorado,

and finally to Eastern
Europe, believe it or not.

Literally in 2007,

19 years, 18 years after
I began that thing,

those two guys were
still on Broeker.

Now that you're outside
of the church,

do you think you're
being spied on,

that you're being followed,
that you're being harassed,

that people are trying
to push your buttons?

Do I think? No, I know that.

I have been followed
by Scientology

across the United
States, to England,

to Ireland, to Australia...

To everywhere that
I have traveled.

This is the PI committee
for Mike Rinder and I.

My computers have been hacked.

I have been followed in cars.

I've had cameras placed
outside my house.

I've had people live
across the street from me.

You came and set up a video
camera pointing at our house.

I've had my garbage taken.

I have had tracking
devices put on my cars.

I have had my wife and children

photographed and videoed.

I have had demonstrators

show up when I
arrived at airports.

- Hey, dude, don't touch him.
- Hey, don't touch me.

Take pictures of squirrels.

I've had private investigators

waiting for me at baggage claim.

I'm here to... investigate you

and what you guys are up to and...
follow you.

There is almost no time

since I began
speaking out in 2009

that I have not been the
subject of an intense

and expensive campaign
by Scientology.

I'm a little bit, like,
not loving this,

because we're going to
talk to somebody who

was a private eye hired by
Scientology, allegedly.

I don't know how I'm gonna feel.

Like, of course, when you're
a guest on this program,

I don't want to ice you out.

But there's a piece
of me that wants to.

Well, I gotta tell
you, in some respects,

this woman that we're
going to see today

is a long way above all
these other people

who go away, never say
anything, and are silent.

At least she has the cojones
to stand up and say,

"Look, I was involved in
this, and it was wrong,

and I want to say
what I was doing".

My name is Cierra Westerman.

I was a private investigator
for the Church of Scientology

from the years of 2008 to 2011.

We were talking about
it in the car,

and I was like,
"I'm a little"...

I was feeling a little anxious
about meeting somebody

who was looking to destroy

somebody's life.

I was never looking
to destroy anybody.

It was a first job to come about

when I was in college for
private investigations.

So you were in college,

and you were going to
school to be a PI.

For private investigations, yes.

And how were you approached
to do this kind of job?

I was approached
through Dwayne Powell,

'cause he was in
college with me.

Dwayne is your boyfriend who
was also in this school.

Yes.

Dwayne's the father of my child.

He was the one that
really got me to do it.

If it wasn't for him, I probably
would have never done it.

He was the head
honcho for all that.

And a lot of these investigators

that was out there came
a lot from Dwayne.

He would meet females, you
know, going out to eat

or at Walmart or, you
know, things like that,

and he would just socialize
and get them mesmerized

with him...

To pretty much do as he asks.

'Cause he's, like,
a ladies' man?

- Yeah.
- Okay.

And... they needed investigators

when the Anonymous group

really started coming about.

They asked for help for more
eyes out there on the...

as the church call
it, the raids.

Anonymous was a group of
people on the Internet

who objected to Scientology's
heavy-handed attempts

to censor people
on the Internet.

They decided that they
were gonna conduct pickets

around the world and organized
these pickets and wore masks

on the theory that if they were
not able to be identified,

Scientology could
not harass them.

Hello, leaders of Scientology.

We are Anonymous.

We have been watching you,

your campaigns of
misinformation,

your suppression of dissent,
your litigious nature.

Anonymous has therefore decided

that your organization
should be destroyed.

I was the one that
had to infiltrate

the group Anonymous.

Religion is free!

Scientology is not!

Religion is free!
Scientology is not!

I walked around all of
Clearwater with them

with their chanting against
the Church of Scientology.

And I was recording
them with my own camera

and videotaping everything
that they were saying,

'cause that's what
the church wanted.

They said, "We want
to have reports

on anything that you hear".

So they wanted you to find
out who they were personally

so that they could
then harass them.

Here's Anonymous,
who was exercising

their right to free speech.

They are exercising their
right to freedom of assembly.

And Scientology, of
course, can't have that.

After I was done
infiltrating Anonymous,

Dwayne Powell asked me to help
him with more investigations

and spying on the ex-members
that were getting out.

So many more members
were leaving the church,

and they need more and
more eyes out there.

And since I already
had my license

and my investigation
and I kept up with it,

he had me and several
other people

come out and move out
there with them.

- To Clearwater.
- Yes, ma'am.

I wasn't aware of
Cierra Westerman

when she was living in the house

that was catty-corner
to the house

that we lived in at the time

with a direct line of sight.

I only became aware of her
a couple of years ago.

I lived in one of the other
houses that they rented out.

They rented... I can't even tell
you how many houses they had.

Dwayne had one, I had one,

and then there were
several others

that I found out
about afterwards.

Of houses that
Scientology was renting

- for Pis.
- Yeah.

You were told that
Mike was what?

That he was a threat
towards the church,

with all of his knowledge.

I had to go through
all their trash.

We had to find receipts
that were in there,

any kind of paperwork that had
any kind of writing on it,

or if they had any
kind of bottles,

alcoholic or anything...

anything that could tell
us what they liked,

what they would like to do,

where they shop, what they buy.

Hey, who are you
getting that for?

That's my garbage.

- It ain't your garbage.
- Yeah, it is.

- Who are you?
- Mike Rinder.

Just came from my house
at 808 Bentwood.

I don't think so.

Oh, I sure so.

I videoed it.

What I would do is,
I would get it all,

I would take it,
get it copied...

tape it to paper, copy it all,

and then fax it all over in
emails to Dwayne Powell.

So, now, what did you do?

You would pay off
the garbageman?

Yeah, each
garbageperson got $20.

That alone was $160 a week
just for me buying trash.

Taking my trash was really a
big waste of time and money.

I didn't put anything
in the trash.

In fact, I put
things in the trash

that were deliberate
misdirectors.

I wrote notes about
certain people and...

like, whales of Scientology and
said, "Call Matt Feshbach".

And I'd wrap stuff
up in dog poop

so that someone had to go
pick through this stuff

and try and figure out
what was the paper

that was immersed
in the dog poop.

It was... it was a
complete waste of time.

But this is what is
the standard way

you conduct a noisy
investigation,

so they paid for that
to be done for years.

When you saw a car pull up or
park in front of our house,

did you go out there
to check on the car?

Yeah, my son and I... he was my
cover, usually, for all of that.

I would put him into his
little car stroller

and just stroll around and
just pretend like I had...

was texting somebody and just
taking pictures instead.

Pictures of?

The vehicles that were in
front of your house with...

so I could get their
license plate numbers.

Whose cars do you know had...

Tracking devices.

Tracking devices placed on them?

I know y'all did.

Pretty much any ex-member

that got out got one.

Or anybody that was more of
the threats, I should say,

to the church

would get one put
onto their car.

- They all had... they all...
- How do you know that?

Dwayne would tell me
when he had to go do 'em

or change 'em over because
the batteries were dying.

That part was the most
unethical part of it all.

Because in Florida, you
have to have consent

from those people that the
tracking devices are on.

But they wanted tracking devices

so that if we ended up losing
them as we were following,

we at least had 'em and
know where they were at.

I knew how the operations worked

within the control room,

which was hidden
within a warehouse.

It had its two big
monitor screens.

It had its own laptop
and its own cell phone.

And eyes watch all the cameras

that investigators had put
up on all the ex-members.

And if one of the investigators
lost their subject,

I would have to go onto the
tracking device website

and tell them where
they were at.

You've got this list here.

These are your notes, I think,
and it has this list of people.

Haydn and Lucy James
and Kat and Mareka,

well, you know they were
there at the house.

Jack Airey. Tom DeVocht.

You know Tom DeVocht?

I know of him

from another investigator,

Val Graeve.

She was to befriend Tom

and ended up moving with him...
in with him

as a roommate and
everything else.

I was also asked to
befriend Cathy Greenbaum.

She's an ex-member as
well that got out,

but her husband was still in it.

She was trying to stay sober,

off of the alcohol
and everything else,

and I learned which AA
meetings she would go to,

and that's how I met her.

So did Cathy end up

ever knowing that
you were not her...

like, she thought you
were her friend or...

Yes.

I could tell she was a
really sweet woman,

and she had a lot of issues
that she really needed help on.

I didn't realize how badly
they were sabotaging people

and... and hurting families.

So all these executives

that she has on her list...
you know,

Mike, Marty, Tom, Haydn, Lucy...

like, these are executives...

former big executives
of Scientology.

So okay, we understand because
you know that they know.

So you don't want them talking.
I get that.

I get that.

But then it just continues.

It always continues.

Now we need Cathy Greenbaum,

just a mom

and an ex-wife of a
rich Scientologist.

And so let's go after her too.

Why?

Because we can.

Why not?

"I'm the Church of Scientology

"with tax-exempt status.

Destroy 'em all".

In 2013, Dwayne
Powell was arrested

in West Allis, Wisconsin,

after police received a
call about a suspicious man

walking around a neighborhood.

According to police documents,

Powell said he was hired
through an intermediary firm

and had been following
Ronald Miscavige

for 11/2 years.

He said he and his son were
paid about $10,000 a week

to search his garbage

and follow and photograph
him wherever he went.

Officers found numerous
weapons in his car,

but Powell said they were
just for sport shooting.

He thought he was
gonna go to prison

for the rest of his life,

but the church had his back.

And as we can see, he's a
free man till this day.

He got about $360,000
to keep quiet

and not to speak of anything.

Thank you so much
for taking the time

to do this today. We
really appreciate it.

Dwayne has always
warned me, you know,

"If you speak out, you know,

you're gonna have to watch
your back forever".

Always be public

about anything that
goes on with you,

because that's your
best protection.

I invited Leah to
meet Robert Almblad.

Robert is a friend of mine

who I met after I
left Scientology.

He is an inventor and is
a brilliant inventor.

As a result of me
working with him,

he became the target
of Scientology

and subjected to... intense
noisy investigations

and harassment of himself, of
his friends, of his family,

of his business, of every
aspect of his life.

My name is Robert Almblad,

and I was a Scientologist
for 45 years.

We're focused on, this
season, really exposing

misuse of power,

of funds,

of Scientology using
its resources...

because it has
tax-exempt status...

to harass and destroy
people's lives.

So thank you for
wanting to do this,

knowing what you've
already been through

and what you're probably
gonna continue to go through

for just doing this.

I would suspect that
would be the case.

Anyway, I have a long
history with Scientology.

And I've done pretty much
every course that you can do.

I started in Scientology
in the early '70s.

I immediately went to "Apollo".

So I worked on "Apollo".
I worked for LRH.

I was in the Sea Org for
about five years after that.

I left the Sea Org.

I paid my freeloader bill.

I paid my wife's
freeloader bill.

I went on to do
different businesses,

starting up companies, but
mainly doing new products...

some you might have
recognized or seen before.

One of them is... a...

automated key-cutting machine

that you'd find at any
Walmart or Home Depot

or stores like that.

And that was how I first
came to meet you,

when you were working
here in Tarpon Springs

on developing a
clean ice machine.

My best friend and partner

introduced me to
Mike, and he said,

"Look, this is a
guy you can trust.

This is a good man".

And I met Mike at my house,

and I talked to him for a while

to find out what was going on.

And it was obvious
that he was somebody

that needed, more
than anything, a job.

We sort of hit it off,

and then I started
working with you

on trying to develop and
then ultimately market

that incredible invention
that you had made.

And that was the start of
the downhill trajectory

in the life of Robert Almblad,

who had, up until that time,

been nothing but a
roaring success

and now became
associated with me.

Scientology goes after Robert

because Robert is being human.

He's not being a Scientologist.

He's not following
Scientology policy,

which says you are not
allowed to speak to somebody

who's publicly talking about
the abuses of Scientology.

Not only is he
disregarding that,

but he's being a human being

and giving Mike a lifeline.

He's willing to put
his life literally

and his livelihood on the line

to do the decent thing.

About three days after
it is that I hired him,

Dave Lubow was the first
person to come to my house

and said that I needed
to fire Mike Rinder.

And I said, "No, I'm
not going to do that.

"This is America. You
have a right to a job.

You have a right to work".

Well, who do you guys
work for anyway?

I work for Elliot Davidson.

And who does he work for?

Well, he's got a client

that's the Church
of Scientology.

Okay, good.

Is there any reason
for taking...

videos of us for breakfast?

Well, you'd have to speak
with him about that.

I'd like to ask you guys
not to do this anymore.

It's harassment. Okay?

Sometimes they came in a van

and there were two people in it.

I never kept track of how many,

but there was a fair number
that came to my house

trying to get me to...
to fire Mike.

I told you yesterday,
this is harassment.

I also told you that I've
got a specific question

- that I want to ask you about...
- Yeah.

I understand, but you
can't be up here

soliciting people and
asking 'em questions.

That began my...

I don't know whether it's
an illustrious career

or whatever it is

of being trampled by the church

and their operatives.

Now, you were... prior,

you were on the ship with L.
Ron Hubbard.

And you've been a
longtime Scientologist.

Were you familiar with
the Fair Game policies

and the Suppressive Acts
policy that Scientology has?

Yes, I'm very
familiar with them,

but it was never like this.

Certainly, I never
knew anything about

what they were doing in...
and this would be 2011.

I never believed they
would do such things

as contacting my
business associates

that had nothing to
do with Scientology

and nothing to do
with Mike Rinder

and nothing to do with anything.

You know, SPs...
like, people like us

that are referred to as SPs...

are, like, also referred to

as merchants of chaos,
merchants of fear.

So we have this idea of
a suppressive person

is a person who is
doing heinous acts

- towards mankind.
- Yes.

And I did believe that
anyone who was declared

was either working on
getting undeclared,

or they really were declared

because they were like
Hitler or Mussolini

or some other historical figure

that was totally
destructive to humanity.

And you couldn't
save 'em anyway,

so you'd stick 'em over
in the corner, right?

Good, that sounds like
a good thing to do.

And I never got to see who
they were doing anything to,

because guess what.

I cannot talk to a SP.

I cannot talk to somebody
who's not in good standing.

I was surprised that
anyone in the church

would have gone to the
extent that they did with me

for, frankly, no good reason

except for employing
Mike Rinder.

I never uttered a
disparaging word

about Scientology or L.
Ron Hubbard, ever...

not in private and
not in public...

and they attacked me
like I was Hitler.

In addition to going
after me personally,

they also went against
my girlfriend.

They called up her
elderly parents,

her friends, her ex-husband,

every person that
they could find,

and did the same thing about
being private investigators

and reporters and they're
investigating Robert Almblad

for any crimes that he
maybe had committed.

They did the same thing
to every neighbor I had.

I lived in a neighborhood
on an island

with 14 houses on the island,

and they went around
to all my neighbors,

every one of them,
knocked on the door

with a bodyguard, with a
camera, with a reporter,

and knocked on the
door and said,

"You know the guy here on
that house, Robert Almblad?

Have you seen him
committing any crimes?"

When I first hired Mike,

before I hired him,
he said, "Listen.

"Before you do anything, I
want you to know that you

could get into severe trouble
for even talking to me".

And I said, "Yes, I understand".

I said, "I'm willing to
stand up to the situation

"because I know it's not right.

"And so I understand.

"I'm gonna get shit on.

"I'm gonna get stepped on.

I'm gonna get these
things done".

Truthfully, I didn't
know the magnitude

that it was going to be.

Robert and his girlfriend

would go to a restaurant,

and they'd show up
in the restaurant.

And do what?

With the damn camera.

This weird guy, Jim Lynch, was
out at Central Casting...

old-time, old-school reporter...

with his bodyguard
and his cameraman,

sometimes two bodyguards.

- They were out of the WWE.
- Right.

- I mean, these guys are like...
- Yeah.

And they would show up.

So they'd be sitting
in a restaurant,

and they'd be standing
outside waiting.

And as soon as they walked
out of the restaurant:

"Mr. Almblad, Mr. Almblad,
let me ask you"...

Like, making a spectacle out
of it everywhere they went...

to the supermarket,
to the doctor's,

to the dog park, to the vet,

Wherever they went, these
idiots were there.

One of the tactics
of Scientology

is to hire a "reporter"

and have this person show up
with a camera and a microphone

and go, "Hey, we're
doing a story.

What say you about...
your mortgage fraud?"

Or, "Hey... what about...

Are you still
beating your wife?"

I mean, these words
are purposeful.

And this whole charade...
this is all for show.

What it's supposed to do
is that people around you,

if you're coming out of church

or you're coming out of work

or coming out of a restaurant,

that your friends or employees

or possible business partners
hear these allegations.

And they... they're
supposed to think,

"Oh, my God, this person...

"These are real journalists
asking these questions.

Something must be go"...

Like, that's the purpose
of this insanity.

Mr. X.

I'm just wondering how you...

- Hey, Jim.
- And Mr. Almblad

got the mortgage...

I'm going to file
a police report.

If you don't leave me alone,
I'm calling the police.

- I'm asking for you...
- Leave me alone.

You flew 4,000
miles to stalk me.

- Who said it was 4,000?
- Leave!

And it wasn't just
the following.

I mean, there were, like,
three cars out at a time.

And we would be
sitting in the office

up there in Tarpon Springs,

and they cut down the oak trees

in front of the office

so that they could
get a better view.

And they were
taking the garbage,

and they were sitting overtly

waiting to take down
the license plates.

They were doing just everything

that you can do

according to the policy of L.
Ron Hubbard

of how you noisily
investigate someone.

It got so bad that Robert and I
went to a trade show in Miami

to show this ice machine and...
you know,

to all the people
that come around.

And these guys came in,
they got false IDs

to come in and start
harassing us.

Okay, let's see your badge, Ed.

Let's see your badge.

Here's another one.

You like to trespass.

One of the policies that
demand the utter destruction

of someone is in
Counter Attacks.

And in Counter Attacks,
it says something like,

"Find out the thing
that the person

is seeking to protect,
and go after that".

This is what they're
spending time doing,

getting a warehouse,
spending money on Pis,

chopping down this guy's trees,

going to all of his
neighbors and saying,

"We're doing an
investigation," again,

part of the policy, doing
a noisy investigation.

And all of that
collectively is supposed to

destroy this man on many levels.

It's supposed to make
his neighbors think,

"Is he under investigation?

Is he... What? There's
reporters here.

"Oh, my God, wait, there's
people walking into my busi...

"Wait, my... Wait.

"They're spying on me.
They have... whoa.

"They're gonna catch
me doing something

and take it out of context,
walking into my office".

Like, this is... all that energy

is simply because he
gave Mike Rinder a job.

I have these people

constantly calling the
board of directors

for the companies I
was working with.

All of them are
public companies.

They're all more than $1
billion in sales or value.

And they can't afford to deal
with the Church of Scientology.

They just said to me, "You
cannot do this to us.

"We like working with you.

"We've worked with
you for years.

"We're doing over $100 million
in sales of your inventions.

But we will not work with you
if you bring this church here".

Robert went off to have
a separate meeting

with one of these companies
at a hotel conference room,

and these people literally burst
into the room with cameras

and threw stuff on the table

and telling these people

that Robert was talking
to, "Here, read this".

And it's, you know,
"Robert Almblad:

Financier of Hate Crimes".

I had to physically
take them by this,

and I threw them out the door.

And you can't imagine the
looks on someone's face,

someone who's, like, getting
paid more than $1 million a year

to run a public company,

and they have this
nuttiness coming in.

I mean, I was already
nutty enough

because I'm an inventor
of new stuff, right?

So they always have to
look at me very carefully.

So now you know what
else I brought in.

I brought in these nuts from
the Church of Scientology.

And it scared the
bejesus out of them.

One of the principles

laid out in the Hubbard writings

about how you deal with
enemies of Scientology

is, you cost them their job.

Well, they couldn't persuade
Robert Almblad to fire me,

so they figured they'd
put him out of business

and then I wouldn't have a job.

So they conducted a campaign not
just against him personally

but to try and destroy
his business.

Even though that
business was something

that would benefit and
potentially save lives,

that didn't matter.

I'm sure, in their mind,
that if they could

cut off any source of
revenue that I had

that they could come back to me
and offer some sort of a deal

and say, "Here,
we'll help you out.

Take a bunch of
money and shut up".

Oh, I never thought of that.

I never thought of that,

that they hoped to have
you bleeding on the floor

and that your only avenue now

is to accept the hush
money from Scientology.

I was collateral damage.

This technology was
collateral damage.

They were just a bull
in a china shop,

gonna tear apart Mike Rinder.

This is the work of a
so-called church...

not only preventing
inventions like this,

- right...
- Right.

That you have created and
worked your whole life

and put millions of dollars in

but the lives you
could have affected.

I think the hardest thing
for me has been that I know

that I have donated
money to the church,

and I just cannot
believe they were able

to use that money,
this tax-free money

and beating up a technology...
not me

but beating up a technology
that the world needs.

Having that technology,

which I had close to
$1 million into...

now, that's my own money, my
savings, my life savings...

and then to get it stopped,

it was heartbreaking.

And so yeah, it was
devastating for me,

absolutely devastating
to see that I didn't...

I just didn't get it there.

But I will.

I will say, to Robert's
everlasting credit

and his unbelievable
friendship to me, that

he never, ever wavered.

And he basically lost
in order to protect me

and had incredible
pressure put on him

not just by Scientology,

but they went after
his loved ones,

they went after his girlfriend,

they went after
everybody around him

to try and get them to put
pressure on him to abandon us.

He has never wavered

the entire time, ever.

Mike, I can say the
same thing for you.

You've never wavered on me

in all of these years
that we've had.

Been difficult times
for both of us

to have both our worlds pulled
out from underneath us.

And at some point early on
when we met each other,

you let me know you
wouldn't give up.

'Cause I asked you.
You said, "No.

"I'm not gonna get bought off.

I'll never be bought off".

And I said, "Good.

I'll never be
bought off either".

It's your direction that gave
me the "never be bought off".

I'm very happy that I never was.

I mean, never... I never
caved to these guys.

Because somebody
has to stand up.

It has to be Scientologists
that stand up.

It has to be the ones that
have been there for 45 years.

I understand Scientology, and I
understand that organization.

I never understood
the underbelly

that takes tax-free dollars
and ruins people's lives

for no one's benefit
but their own, period.

And... Leah, I want you to
know that the only reason

why it is that I'm
allowed to tell my story

is because of you and Mike.

It's only because of you

that it's allowed me
to speak my voice.

And hopefully someday,
some other inventor,

some other scientist,
some other researcher

will not be stopped
by this church

using tax-free dollars
to wipe it out.

Robert, to know that you
have stood up for something

and stood up for Mike

to such a colossal
destruction to your own life

says so much about you.

I wish there were
more people like you.

I wish the companies
that you deal with,

these public companies who
don't give a shit about

the average person who
they make their millions

and billions from,
they did care about.

My hope is that one
of those people

will see this program and go,

"He deserves our support

and he deserves us
to stand by him".

And we need more Goliaths to
stand up to the Goliaths.

And...

thank you for being such
a good friend to Mike.

Really, really.

And I just wish all
good things to you.

Thank you.

Don't cry again, 'cause
you're gonna make me cry.

Nope. God.

God.

Stop it.

Can I give you a hug?

Okay.

- Thank you.
- Thank you so much.

We all have, just different ways...
same thing, though.

- Thank you.
- Yeah.

Mike, stop crying.

Oh, my God. I can't.

I'm trying, really. I'm trying.

If you go to one
of Scientology's,

hate websites,

you will see

it ranges from
ex-members like me

who were just parishioners

to ex high-ranking Sea Org
members like Mike Rinder,

Claire and Marc
Headley, Tom DeVocht,

Jeffrey Hawkins, Amy Scobee

to journalists like
Anderson Cooper,

Pulitzer Prize winners
like Lawrence Wright,

Oscar-winning documentarians
like Alex Gibney

to a mom in Clearwater, Florida,

Mary Kahn.

Every one of these people

that have a hate
website on them,

you bet that they also
have Pis on them.

And you take into consideration
that this policy

of following people and
harassing them into silence

has been ongoing since 1950
and is going on today,

you could do the math.

This is not money
that's being used

to benefit the public,

which is why you have
tax-exempt status.

These activities
service Scientology.