Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath (2016–…): Season 2, Episode 5 - The Rise of David Miscavige - full transcript

It's not an easy thing
to just walk away

from something you've
known your whole life.

Thank you.

At 2000 hours,

Friday, the 24th of January, A.D. 36…

L. Ron Hubbard discarded the body

he had used in this lifetime
for 74 years,

10 months and 11 days.

The body he had used
to facilitate his existence

in this messed universe

had ceased to be useful



and in fact had become
an impediment to the work

he now must do outside of its confines.

After the death of L. Ron Hubbard,

Miscavige set about
consolidating his power

as the undisputed heir to Hubbard.

My guest is David Miscavige.

You are now the head
of the Church of Scientology.

- Yes.
- Okay.

The one girl there that was
complaining about it,

a girl named Vicki Aznaran,

this is a girl who was kicked out

for trying to bring
criminals into the church.

That's something she didn't mention.

I mean, you say a girl.



I think we're talking about
a grown woman, right?

A grown woman, excuse me.
A lady, Vicki Aznaran.

And you and she were, at one point,

rivals for the leadership of the…

Absolutely not.

He started removing
from their positions

anybody who was in the hierarchy

and was a recognized figure
in Scientology,

starting with Mary Sue Hubbard.

He subsequently got rid of

Dede and Gale Reisdorf,
Pat and Annie Broeker,

and everybody connected to them

and everybody that might've
been allied to them.

David Miscavige has two persona’s…

one that's, you know,
the public persona,

which is, you know, hand shaking
and kissing babies,

and, you know,
Scientologists are electrified

meeting David Miscavige because
he's the leader of the church,

and oh, he's so charming,

he's so powerful, he's so charismatic.

And then behind the scenes,
he's hurting people.

I am the writer
of the textbooks of Scientology.

The aim and goal is to put man
in a mental condition,

uh, where he him…
can solve his own problems.

Without any Scientology organization

things are not gonna change
on this planet.

After years of slowly
questioning Scientology…

Leah Remini and her very public break

with Scientology…

Stop lying to people

that they hold their eternity
in their hands.

Stop telling parents
that it doesn't matter

what you do this lifetime
other than Scientology.

If your religion is so amazing

and doing all these
amazing things for the world,

then it should stand up
to some questioning.

I would repeat this line,
"I want to die. I want to die".

That was my first idea of…

I want to end my own life.

You gave me up

at 13 years old.

How could you think
that this was okay for me?

These people are doing extreme things,

and they need to be held accountable.

For us to do more of this,

we wanted to do something
that could help these people.

We need to do more
than simply document stuff.

You got this.

People will continue to speak.

People will continue to fight.

- Hello.
- Hey.

- JB.
- How are you?

- I'm good. Hi, Mike.
- Hey, man.

- Thanks for coming.
- Yeah, no problem.

- Good to see you.
- Thank you for having me.

Oh, my God, our pleasure.

I'm John Brousseau,

and I was a member
of the Sea Organization,

and I reported directly
to David Miscavige.

I was, like, 20 years old when
I got introduced to Scientology.

I sort of heard about it peripherally,

and, you know, I didn't
really know what it was.

The whole subject of
Scientology was very electric.

The concept of you live
beyond just this one life

and all this humanitarian
drive to help people.

It was just all right up my alley.

It was awesome, and I just
jumped in, both feet.

There was a position available

to be taking care
of LRH's personal vehicles,

so I moved into that, and then that

later on turned into
actually being his driver.

What was he like?

He was an interesting person.

What I saw was somebody

who really believed in what he did,

and to this day, I think
he heartfelt was convinced

that what he was doing wasn't a sham.

It was something he was doing
to try and solve

his own problems in life,

and then he tried to
avail it to other people.

That's what I saw,

and I'm grateful that I got
to meet him, you know.

I was kind of close to David Miscavige.

I was, at one point, for 16 years,

I was married to
Miscavige's wife's sister,

so we were brothers-in-law,

and I observed him dismantling

and putting himself
gradually into the position

where he was the senior most
person, aside from LRH,

and I saw Miscavige becoming
more and more authoritative

and more and more able to remove people,

regardless of position.

Miscavige basically

first started to assert himself,

which was even before
L. Ron Hubbard died.

Oh, yeah, absolutely.

There was a pretty infamous
meeting that happened

between Miscavige and Mary Sue.

Were you around for that?

I was around for that
in a very peculiar way.

I put a wireless microphone
on Miscavige,

and they went into a hotel in L.A.

to meet with Mary Sue

and whatever entourage was with her.

And I was sitting in the van

with these giant
reel-to-reel recorders,

recording everything
through these two microphones…

- unbeknownst to Mary Sue.
- For what?

So that he could record
this meeting with Mary Sue

that was to argue her into submission,

and basically, D.M. would take charge,

and she would resign and step down.

And did she put up a fight or…

I heard some pretty
vociferous objections

coming out of her mouth.

I can't really tell you
what she was saying,

but it was obviously directed at him.

- David Miscavige.
- And some disagreement

and name-calling happening, yeah.

- What happened to Mary Sue?
- Well, she went to prison,

right, ultimately.

And she just sort of ended up
being put in a position

of having really no say or power

and quietly lived off her life

until she died.

It was the first step
in D.M.'s taking over

and being the one,

and then I remember the takedown,

the Dede and Gale days.

Dede and Gale Reisdorf,

they were at one point
in charge of the CMO.

They were the commanding officer

and the deputy commanding
officer, respectively.

Hubbard called himself the Commodore

and was waited upon by
a hand-picked team

of teenage girls known as
the Commodore's Messengers.

Dede Reisdorf became
their commanding officer.

And one day, Gale came out

and was telling me

about how David Miscavige
was threatening,

and that she needed to go
talk to Pat Broeker.

She knew that I was this guy

who knew how to take Miscavige

and go meet with Broeker,

and we had all these secret codes.

I had ways of getting
a hold of Broeker's driver,

and he could probably relay to Broeker,

and a meeting could be arranged.

So she hopped in the car.

So yeah, I drove off the base with her.

And I went to the pay phone
in San Bernardino,

and I made my phone call

and sent the page to Broeker's driver,

and I was sitting there,
waiting for a call.

And maybe 20, 30 minutes went by,

and this van pulls up with Miscavige

and a bunch of other people.

They all pile out, and they
just come heading my way,

and they open the doors,

and someone jumped out with a tire iron,

and he went to the phone,
and he proceeded to,

the best of his ability,
destroy the phone,

and he finally succeeded
in ripping the handset cable

out of the phone unit,

so that no phone call
could be received there.

They basically severed
the ability for Broeker

to find out what's happening.

Miscavige was gonna deal
with this himself.

And basically, they're
in there with Gale,

and it's Miscavige and Gale one on one.

And he basically talks her
into submission,

and then Miscavige would
ultimately take out Pat Broeker.

When LRH left in 1980
to do his researches,

he took with him his two most

trusted friends and companions.

These two people were
Pat Broeker and Annie Broeker.

Pat and Annie Broeker had been around

for many, many, many years

on the Hubbard side of the equation.

They were the most trusted people

who would carry out Hubbard's wishes.

And they were the only people
that were with Hubbard

in the last years of his life.

I'm curious, JB, what you know about

how Pat Broeker

eventually was moved away.

Annie… the two people
that were with L. Ron Hubbard

at the end of his life.

What's your recollection
of how that went down?

Well, I was at the Creston Ranch.

It's where L. Ron Hubbard lived

- in the last days of his life.
- Yeah.

And then all of the sudden one day,

Miscavige shows up
and it's, like, a raid.

And I was there,
and there was, I don't know,

a dozen other people,
the best of the best,

pretty much picked by Broeker
to run this ranch.

Everyone gets corralled up, except me.

I mean everyone, except me.

Miscavige comes out

after yelling and screaming
with these guys,

and he says, "You know what's
happening with those guys, JB?"

And I'm like, "No".

He says, "They're all going
to the fucking RPF".

But the end result was Pat Broeker

somehow was brought to the agreement

that he would just live a simple
life and go off his merry way,

having nothing to do with Scientology.

Annie was convinced
to divorce, disconnect,

have nothing to do with Pat,
which she did.

But yeah, that's how
he took out Broeker,

and then ultimately that
put him in the position

where there was no one else in the way.

And now he was Chairman of the Board,

Religious Technology Center,
the top of RTC.

He was where he wanted to be.

David Miscavige is the one.

He was now invincible.

Anybody who's a Scientologist
or grows up in Scientology,

you get used to seeing the same people

being brought up on stage at
these very important events.

Oh, that's Mike Rinder, Heber Jentzsch,

Ray Mithoff, Guillaume Lesevre.

Like, these are very important
people, and over time I noticed,

just as a civilian
Scientologist, at these events,

where's Mike Rinder?

Where's Heber Jentzsch?

Where's…

where are the people that we know,

that we had been used to seeing?

And then eventually it was
just David Miscavige.

Scientology has projected
a kinder, gentler,

more understanding image
in recent years.

But critics insist that RPF
camps continue to exist today.

He had put about 40 executives

of Scientology International

physically locked up
into a room called The Hole.

It had bars on the windows,

and the one entrance was guarded
by security 24 hours a day.

I was one of Miscavige's
enablers, okay.

- What does that mean?
- I was one of the people

that helped orchestrate these things.

When he wanted bars put on The Hole,

I'm the guy that put the bars
on the doors of The Hole.

Describe what The Hole is.

Well, originally it was

just offices that were set up

with some office trailers

as temporary headquarters.

I got called by Miscavige's secretary,

and he said, "COB wants
this place made secure."

"He wants bars put on all the doors,

"so no one can get out,

except for the front main entrance".

And I thought, I could do a far
better job just putting big,

long 4-inch steel screws
around the perimeter of the door

all the way into the jamb and framing.

And he said, "No, no, no, no, no".

He said, 'Bars'". And then I got it.

He wanted these people to know

that they were in prison.

So I went down to the estates building,

and I rummaged around.

I found these nice steel bars,

and I went, and I put
this bar on the door,

And then I went inside,

and I screwed blocks in
the side of the windows,

so they could only open
about 41/2 inches,

a body wouldn't be able to get through.

It's interesting today
to hear Scientology claim

that The Hole doesn't
and never has existed.

I have written communications
addressed to me

at The Hole, MR Hole.

People were… myself included…

were in that little prison for months,

some for years.

It's a horrible state to
live in, around Miscavige.

He's the oppressive policeman

that drives you to do what you're doing,

because no one does it
on their own volition.

His wife, Shelly, was right
there next to him as number two.

Shelly Miscavige, her name
in the Church of Scientology

would be COB Assistant.

And so for Scientologists like me,

we very much respected COB's Assistant

and considered her,

you know, this high-ranking
officer in Scientology

because she directly worked
with David Miscavige.

I saw her get in trouble,

and she would disappear
during portions of the day.

And I sort of surmised that
she was being security checked.

You know, I could see the terror
in her eyes.

I think she said something,
Miscavige found out,

and suddenly he had this person
who was his wife who…

holding the electrodes
of the E-Meter in her hand,

voiced it, and that was it.

The axe fell, and then
she just sort of disappeared

very shortly thereafter.

- Why?
- Because she's been

too intricately involved with him

and probably knows things that
he just doesn't ever want known,

so he's just gonna keep her quiet.

David Miscavige never forgets.

David Miscavige never forgives.

He is destroying people.
He thinks he's helping them

because he's got this notion
that this is what they need.

It's just a wrong way of thinking.

- Yeah.
- You know?

So that was just one aspect

of what ultimately led
to my decision to leave.

Because I was rationalizing
all the outnesses that I saw.

But I had my tipping point.

My tipping point was comprised

of several things
happening concurrently.

The "Anderson Cooper 360" thing.

We've been reporting on
allegations of physical abuse

inside the Church of Scientology.

The allegations
have been made by a number

of former high-ranking Scientologists

against the church's leader,
David Miscavige, himself.

He did his various installments,

which culminated in the end
with what's referred to as,

you know, the wives, right?

The various people that showed up to…

refute what was being said.

I read all of you affidavits.
Obviously, your ex-husbands

have made charges
against David Miscavige,

saying that they have seen repeated acts

of physical violence
perpetrated by Mr. Miscavige.

- Is any of that true?
- No.

Not one ounce of it, not one.

I watched it, and I was shocked.

I could see that they are saying
stuff that I knew happened.

They're saying it never happened.

Like what?

Miscavige never laid a hand
on Mike Rinder.

And you saw that?

I was grabbed by Shelly Miscavige

the day that Mike got summoned

up to the Officers Lounge,
as it was called,

and was physically
accosted by Miscavige.

Miscavige operates on the basis

of instilling fear in people.

He routinely would hit,

kick, punch people.

I was the brunt of a lot of

Miscavige's physical abuse.

Mr. Miscavige never laid
a hand on Mike Rinder.

Listening to his wife…
ex-wife now… I just go,

"This is bullshit, her lying".

And that sort of was hard
for me to rationalize

as to how I must be mistaken

'cause I know I'm not mistaken.

I know what I've seen and heard.
He loses it on people.

So I had decided in my mind…

and I didn't even
really admit it to myself

because it was a dangerous,
forbidden thought…

that this guy

is really a psychopathic individual

in how he deals with people.

There was that turning point for me

where I stopped
rationalizing in my mind.

I had to throw away

everything that I had hung onto.

You know, it was hard.

It was like jumping out
of a plane without a parachute.

You know, this is very
shortly before I left.

This was part of my eye opening.

Like, there's no way around this guy.

The only reason I have anything
to say about any of this stuff,

it ain't right to fuck
over people's lives,

and I feel a responsibility
to say something

because I know that the intention behind

what Miscavige has done
hasn't changed one iota.

You know?

And the walls just
came tumbling down for me.

I went, "this is bullshit. I'm done".

I've been thinking I'm helping mankind,

and I am fucking people up.

I'm enabling this guy.

I'm his right-hand nuts-and-bolts guy.

What the fuck has this
got to do with religion?

Everything I've been doing for 32 years

is a bunch of shit.

Like, it's finally,
after all these years,

it's come clear to me.

I cannot continue to enable this.

I need to leave.

- Hello. How are you?
- Jackson.

- Michael, Leah, hi.
- How are you?

- I'm good.
- Hey, buddy.

My name is Jackson Morehead.

I worked for the Church
of Scientology International,

and I was the Security Chief
at the International Base.

It's a heartfelt honor, I have to say.

Thank you.

Thank you for talking to us.

I followed my mom into
the Sea Org back in 1979.

I was 11, going on 12,
when I left elementary school.

We moved to L.A. to join the Sea Org.

That was my introduction
to organized accountability,

given direction other than
from your parents.

I didn't really have much trouble

falling in line with that.

I don't know what it was about me,

but I kind of…

it was acceptable to me.

It was very, very,
very a much serious, no joke.

If you displayed any
questionable lightheartedness

about this effort,
you're not in security.

We don't want you 'cause
we want dedicated people here.

So I was one of those very
dedicated, very responsible.

I took it very seriously.

The day after L. Ron Hubbard passed,

there was this new flag order
that came out.

It was a miniature,
little cardboard foldout.

You flip it open. There was
a picture of L. Ron Hubbard

standing there at the helm
on the ship with his ascot

and his hat… very Sea Org like.

And then on the other side, it had

a miniature version of the flag order,

and it was the introduction
of Pat and Annie Broeker.

And we were like, "So now
we know who's in charge".

- Then when did it change?
- The next day.

Every single one… I was part of
the people that had to go around

and collect all these issues

and account for
every single one of them,

all those little pictures,
all these pictures,

taking them off notice boards,
out of people's boxes.

I had to get it, and we shred
them and destroyed them.

- And who gave you that order?
- RTC.

I just got an order.

The next day it came out,
the backstory behind

how that was all a misunderstanding.

Pat and Annie were discovered
to be criminals

for trying to take this bold step

to announce themselves
as the Loyal Officers.

That rank doesn't exist.

We almost were that close
to new suppressive persons

taking over the control of Scientology.

That's what we were led to believe.

It was a clever and calculated
move that Miscavige made.

At the time, Pat and Annie Broeker

had been isolated from the world.

They lived, literally, in seclusion

with no outside contact.

Miscavige had an organization
and people that supported him,

including a whole bunch of lawyers,

so that pressure
basically shut them down,

and with them not being able
to dispute the facts,

nobody was in any position
to challenge him.

So that's where I started
realizing his power,

witnessing his power.

- Right. All of a sudden though.
- That's right, all of a sudden.

This atmosphere that David
Miscavige is now in charge

was generated.

- Right.
- After that issue comes out,

I was posted as a security guard
at a remote secondary base

just deep at the foothill
of Mount San Jacinto

called Happy Valley.

Dave himself drove up in this van,

this black van one night.

This is, like, 2:00 in the morning

that I was told he was coming.

I didn't know who he was coming with,

and all these people pour out.

Dave hand-delivered these people to me,

and I had to go down there
and meet them.

He gave me the lowdown.

"You need to make sure these
people don't go anywhere.

You need to guard them".

I had to write up daily
reports on their activities.

The things that they physically did,

the stuff that they say, the stuff that

they talked about, I had to report on.

These people were put onto
a program, a corrective program,

and Dave oversaw it.

I was to see to it that
they performed hard labor.

He wanted them on the hard labor.

The worst job that I can imagine.

And what that means
is not just sweeping floors,

but any projects
that were laying around.

It's like, "Well, cut that tree down."

"Well, we're not gonna
do it by chainsaw.

"We're gonna do it
by handsaws, and in fact,

"handsaws are gonna use smaller blades

"to make it more difficult
for them, but they'll still cut,

but we're gonna need
to modify those tools".

And that literally would happen.

I didn't have the answers as to why,

but he can't be doing this
for evil reasons,

and that's how I keep
selling myself on it was okay.

If you fall out of favor
with David Miscavige,

you're done. Done.

You know, what he said to me
was… he leaned over,

and he goes, "Do you know what
I do all fucking day, Leah?"

"I have to root out suppressive
people in my own organization.

I do that day in and day out".

I had truly committed myself
to ensure the security

of all the executives
and staff on that base.

We're gonna make sure that
this is the safest place

on planet Earth.

There was a whole new reface being done

to the whole property, and with that,

we want to have the ultimate
security established here.

David Miscavige was
the ultimate authority

and approval.

Once he gave the approval,
we'd run with it.

We ran across what's called
UltraBarrier, which is

this very intimidating-looking
razor wire.

You can get different lengths of spikes,

4- inch, 6-inch, 8-inch.

That was all put along
the top rail of the fence

just to keep people out.

We had a series of devices in play.

We had infrared sensors, motion sensors,

and fence shakers
to detect human presence,

and that was our goal, human presence.

A fence shaker
activates lights right away,

a cluster of four
1,500-watt quartz lights

that would light up a stadium,

'cause I had the ability
to watch the whole property.

We had microphones underground
that would get dialed in

and tested, and that was it.

My security system
was officially in and working.

The security system was,
by design, to keep people out.

Eventually, it became to keep them in.

Dave's treatment, his attitude,

his yelling is constant.

Everybody was turned
into this state of fear.

The whole base transitioned
into this state of fear.

There was 300 and some odd phones

spread throughout the whole property,

this whole customized phone system.

I has executive override,

where I can listen in
on any line on the base.

And you can control it
and set it up however you want.

Call 911, not call 911.

That was removed,

so people had no access
to the outside world.

- So wait, they can't call 911?
- They could not call 911.

No, Leah.

Eventually, there were staff members

that were getting out of my perimeter.

I had to go seal up the holes,
more UltraBarrier,

more razor wire,
so people could not get out.

Literally, staff members
getting caught up in it,

getting themselves cut,
trying to get over it.

Dave wanted me to come up with a plan.

I had to develop and document
what it took to find somebody.

It became the Blow Drill.

The reason for the Blow Drill

is because people who were privy

to a lot of information about
the goings on of David Miscavige

or what really happened
at international headquarters

were considered to be a threat,

and thus, there was a great deal
of time, effort, and money

expended in tracking these people down

and trying to get them
back on the reservation.

That involved assigning
a group of people

to call the local hotels and motels.

We'll send you to the bus
station, you to the airport.

You start monitoring the scanners

and listen to the taxi traffic.

See if there's any requests
to pick anybody up locally.

- And checking flights.
- And checking flights.

You could call up
and run this person's name.

Oh, yeah, he's got a flight booked.

I'd go through people's mail,

collect their life history,

their mother's maiden name,
driver's licenses,

birth certificates, passports.

I'd monitor their bank accounts,
monitor their phone usage,

find out where their parents are,

send somebody to their parents' house,

and set them outside to watch.

Some people were
high-speed chases, literally.

That was my helping
make the planet go clear.

Yeah.

I thought I was doing some good.

I thought I has this all in place

and at play for that person's benefit,

to help them through
a time of their life

that they were very troubled,

and although it may seem awkward
that we're chasing you,

per Se, yeah, you can't deny
that we're chasing you,

but we're here for your help,
for your benefit.

It's like trying to talk down a suicide

off of jumping off of a bridge.

But I never saw the back end of it.

It's, like, I'd go catch them
and then hand them over

to people who I thought
were helping them,

addressing their soul,
and making them better people.

- Sure.
- But it was just this

ever-evolving, what the hell?

How many people do you
think you recovered?

- A few hundred, a few… 300.
- Wow.

So what was the thing that broke you?

The thing that broke me is,

my wife and I went through a pregnancy

that she embarrassingly aborted.

But she did so because she was told to.

- Yeah.
- She was told to.

- Pressured to.
- Right.

It's one thing to be told.

It's a whole other thing
to be pressured to.

Within the Sea Organization
in particular,

it was determined that
children were a distraction

to the clearing of the planet,

and there would no longer be
children that Sea Org members

had while they were
in the Sea Organization.

That is when you started to see
the heavy pressure on women

having abortions who got pregnant

in the Sea Organization.

I was so happy that she was pregnant.

I knew what I was up against,

but I convinced myself
that I could sell them

on allowing us to have a kid.

I could be that special one.

I'm so trusted. I'm the Security Chief.

I'm not someone who's against
the grain. Don't worry about me.

- Right.
- Oh, no.

And suddenly, it just went,
Jackson, you better scramble

and come up with the right words
out of your mouth really quick.

Which is implying,

"You better tell us
you're getting an abortion".

That's the… yes. By telling
her that we can't have it,

that was such a betrayal
as a man to a woman.

It's just so terrible.

I can't believe
I even uttered the words,

that I forced this abortion on my wife.

It's weird, Leah. It's not me.

I know.

Yeah, but it's…

when you witness that in a woman,

especially just the love of your life.

There's not a man on this Earth
that has the right

to even begin to explain

what it's like for a woman
to go have an abortion.

But, Leah, I had to sell her on it.

- I understand.
- And she didn't…

neither one of us wanted to leave.

We were still convicted followers.

- Of course.
- So you're in conflict.

To go down that path,
you lose your whole life.

You lose your friends.

And then I get my meter check,
and my needle's dirty.

My meter check and my dirty needle

led up to them looking
at my background and going,

"Oh, we need to go get
a hold of your wife

and start interrogating her
as the cause of all this".

I hear people yelling at her,
and I hear her voice.

I was like, "My wife's over there,"

and I blew by the guys who were
at my door, went down there,

and just started pushing
and slugging and got in there

and got a hold of my wife.

That resulted in
"That's it on Jackson".

My badge was ripped out of my shirt.

The shoulder patches, everything

were ripped off of me.

You're no longer the Security Chief.

Light switch right there for me.
I'm done.

This is, like, where
the time clock was punched

to where my life was never,
ever the same again,

literally, literally, literally.

I never forget the milliseconds
of this time period of my life,

the agony, the significance of it.

I was confined, and I had
two people assigned to me

during the day and a guard
assigned to me at night,

following me around all day,
every day long.

And in the meantime, that auditor,

that sec checker was telling my wife

the results of my counseling
and my sec checks.

He's a thief, lazy on the job,

and this other really weird… and
I'm sorry to tell you this,

but it's reality.

That she was told I was into bestiality.

That came from me reporting
this, you know, digging around,

trying to come up with my sec check,

and it's like, "Well, there was
this one time my dog Yukon"

"was at my feet, and I thought
he was running in his dream,

and I looked down, and he's
actually humping something".

And that transitioned into Jackson's

not the man you married.

It was part of their plan
to do these things,

and she was done.

Where does this happen at?
This is Scientology.

I mean, I remember thinking,
this is the Sea Org.

This is the Int Base.
It doesn't get any higher.

How can this be happening?

- Right.
- Leah, I was sitting there

throwing hissy fits and this affidavit

that I had to sign that they had
nothing to do with it,

and I fought tooth and nail.

You were the bastards that had
everything to do with this.

- Of course.
- Fuck.

It's just incredible.

Experiencing what I was experiencing

going on at that base was…

this is really turning into something

way something I had no intent
to be part of.

- They didn't want you to go.
- Right.

'Cause you were a security risk.

What made you a security risk
to them and to David Miscavige?

Information.

And what information did you have?
Just rattle it off.

Daily operations,
stuff that I witnessed.

What did you witness?

I had the unique ability
that I got involved

with all of the different aspects,

every organization at the Int Base.

Dave was in a majority of those
all the time, hands-on,

screaming and yelling,
"Get this done, get that done".

Everything was being done
at his direction.

- I get it.
- But understand,

the significance of this is that

David Miscavige
maintains in legal papers

all over the place he is not involved

in the day-to-day
operations of Scientology.

Complete, utter crap.

That whole base was functioning
at his sole direction.

I also saw David Miscavige
physically beat Marc Yager,

who was a very high church executive,

and Mark Fisher,

who was one of my previous "blows"

that I had to help recover and watch.

I saw him physically hit these folks.

Seeing him beat Marc Yager,
you'll just never forget.

When I was hearing that resounding

thumps on this guy's chest,

you just don't forget stuff like that.

And this is our leader?

What the hell's going on around here?

David Miscavige was a new level of evil

in the Church of Scientology,

And I was an executioner
of his directives,

his evil directives.

This is not about a religion.

This is not a fight for what's right.

This is holding Dave Miscavige
accountable for his actions.

I mean, I'll be the first
one to tell you,

I thought I was just
doing a world of good

by doing what I did.

You were a young person
that came into Scientology

completely impressionable.

You were a child.

You did nothing

that wasn't taught to you.

Please tell me you know that.

Please tell me you know that.

It's hard to accept
because I did what I did.

Anyways, I didn't…

I didn't really plan
on this part of this.

I'm just telling you from me.

Just fuck the cameras for a minute.

I'm just telling you
from me, from my heart,

like, honestly, we all are responsible.

- But I did it.
- No, I know, baby,

but we did it 'cause we thought

we were doing something decent.

When I look at you,
I just see a young kid at 16.

I see a young boy
wanting to do the right thing

and being forced into a cult,

and we were all part of it,
and we all believed that.

I just want you to know
that you're a good person.

You just didn't know.

You know, I feel bad
for people like Jackson

because he's such a sweet man.

And Jackson believed,
"I'm doing the right thing.

"Why do I think I'm doing
the right thing?

"Because I was taught

"that anybody who L. Ron Hubbard

"puts in charge

"is to be listened to,
is to be respected,

and they have Scientology's
best interest at heart".

And if I don't listen,

the planet will be destroyed,

and he was earnestly doing his job,

thinking that he was
protecting the planet.

Like, protecting the planet's salvation,

and that's what they all believed.

This is the game that Scientology plays.

This is David Miscavige
following Scientology policy.

Is it true that David Miscavige is bad?

Yes.

But if David Miscavige wasn't there,

they would grab Guillaume Lesevre,

and they'd, you know, give him
a shower and put a suit on him,

and then he would carry on
the same legacy.

Because that is what
Scientology teaches.

So they are only upholding
L. Ron Hubbard's policy.

Hubbard was obsessed

with getting celebrities
into Scientology.

If you are a celebrity recruiter,

there is a commission involved.

That 10% commission really adds up.

I could go on forever
about Celebrity Center

but it's like having
a best friend for life.

They believe these
celebrities are deities.

When a celebrity leaves Scientology,

Scientology feels the brunt
of that celebrity

being turned against them.

They are now the face.

You are no longer the face of
Scientology, they are.

They need to be held accountable.