Hellier (2019): Season 1, Episode 3 - Trapped in a Maze - full transcript
The search deepens as the team begins their investigation. A fellow researcher confirms the team's sense that something is paying attention to them.
What I'm going to do is,
because we don't know
what exactly the goblins are,
or whatever is around here,
I'm going to assume to a
certain extent it's sort of
elemental in nature
or land-based.
So we have candles that
represent each one of
the elements: earth,
air, fire, water...
We left some tobacco
and burned some candles,
just out of respect for
whatever's potentially there,
and let it know, "Listen this is
what we're here to do,
we're here to communicate,
so if you want to come
and communicate with us,
the door is wide open,
and we're inviting
that communication."
So Dana did a small ritual
where she burned some candles
and she made an offering
of tobacco to these entities
or spirits, or whatever
they are, in order to more
formally set why we were there
and what we were hoping
to get from them.
And if you're interested
in communicating with us,
that's what we're here for.
If there is anybody here,
anybody that we can't
see right now...
spirits...
I'm not sure who we
might be addressing here.
But we are here
to learn about you.
We're here documenting.
But in reality, you're the star.
We're here because
we were called,
because we want to
know more about you,
because we respect you.
And as long as you have
good intentions,
we are more than willing
to communicate with you.
I think the thing that
caught my attention was like...
it sounded like a...
wooden knock.
- That was a wooden knock.
- Yeah.
That's what I heard
that first time.
I heard that too.
From two different directions.
We kept it broad!
Goodness!
Connor's like,
"I'm out!"
Almost immediately after
Dana did her ritual,
we were hearing wood knocks
that were seemingly
communicating with us,
from both sides of us.
Things were being thrown
from the forest at us.
There were a lot of noises
that we tried our best
to kind of rule out as
natural, animal noises.
But a lot of these
things were...
They felt a little too pointed.
And they started a little
too quickly after
we had done these intention-
setting experiments.
It's the type of phenomenon
that we have witnessed before
in bigfoot expeditions.
And we'd done the same kind of
those intention-setting things
during bigfoot investigations.
So almost immediately
we got the overwhelming
feeling that we were
being watched.
And that we had successfully
drawn something in.
Can you come out
a little closer?
It's okay.
Did you hear that?
- Yeah!
- It just did it back.
- It did it back?
- It went
and went and did it back.
That was really loud.
- Really loud.
Wow... it's super dense.
- No.
I heard a... it was
a little bit more...
croak-ish?
Not like a frog.
But in response,
it was like:.
It was kind of a...
And it went up
like your whistle did.
- Like a mimic kind of.
- A little more guttural.
Maybe we don't speak
the same language,
maybe we don't understand
each other very well,
but I think you can
understand the vibe
we're putting out.
- What do you do when
Greg Newkirk says,
"It's right behind you."
- Stand real still.
Okay, well.
That's officially out.
Thank you for being here,
we want to continue
talking with you, though.
From there, we moved
to the front porch,
and we began setting up
our spirit box experiment,
"The Estes Method."
Connor puts on a pair
of very noise-cancelling
drummer-headphones,
and he pipes in
a spirit box feed.
Now, a spirit box is a
controversial device
in ghost hunting,
where it scans through
these radio stations
at very high rates of speed.
You are going to get clips
of DJ voices, commercials,
talk shows... especially
in the AM frequencies.
And so it's normal to hear
voices out of them.
But with all the static,
with all the noise,
with all the blips and bits
of sound,
it's very easy
to hear what you want
to hear out of it.
We created this method
in order to cut the receiver off
from more anticipated responses,
in the hopes that our
conversation...
that he couldn't hear...
Would line up with the
responses that he's giving back.
We also put a blindfold on
so that there's no
environmental, sensory
influence about what
that conversation is.
So that if we do get some
compelling responses
back and forth,
conversationally,
that is much more
interesting than...
potential responses
that we thought we heard
through a noisy feed.
It just said "Connor,"
it sounded like.
"C'MON."
"WEAPON"
"TOO LATE."
"HI."
Do you know why we're here?
Do you know what
we're trying to do?
What brought us here?
"THAT'S ME, SIR."
- "Do you know what
brought us here?"...
"That's me, sir?"
Do you know who
Terry R. Wriste is?
Do you know who
David Christie is?
"FEASIBLE"
"RIGHT THERE."
"BATMAN."
Mothman?
"YOU... CAN."
"KARL."
I can what?
I have a really
important question.
Which might be why...
"CAREFUL."
- Careful?
- I just clumsily sat down...
- It's like it's got a little bit
of a delay on it.
- Sometimes it's just like a
short delay.
"THERE'S A COYOTE."
- Oh, shit.
"WOOD."
- Where... where is...
- "DOING."
- Where is the coyote?
"RIGHT THERE."
- To the left?
Or to the right?
Over here?
"THEY'RE OVER THERE..."
"DO..."
Thank you for the warning.
- Maybe there'll be
a coyote tomorrow.
Some people call you a goblin.
Do you like that name?
"GET READY."
"MOVING."
Are you moving to the cave?
"THE HILLS."
To the cave in the hills?
Are you going to meet us there?
"RIGHT THERE."
Up in the Flatwoods?
"THE PEOPLE."
"MOVING."
I wasn't taking any of this...
into any sort of...
I couldn't... I had to take it
all with a grain of salt.
Anything I was hearing.
Because...
All I was trying to do
was listen really closely.
And it's something that I have
had a lot of practice with.
And something that I know that
a lot of people who
watch the Method
and a lot of people who
haven't done it themselves
will be skeptical of,
because I would be
skeptical of it.
But I know what I heard.
And apparently I was
narrating what was
going on, is what they told me
when I took the headphones off.
Which is intriguing.
And it seemed like
whoever was there was...
letting us know that...
they're aware of us
and they were right
there with us.
Can we talk more about
this cave?
Can we talk about
the reason that we're here?
Maybe you know more about
it than we do.
You know who sent us here?
"KARL. MOVE."
My camera batteries just died.
Really?
- Did you hear that thump?
- Yes.
- I'm gonna go grab a fresh one.
"HE'S OPEN..."
He did open the door.
"PROBABLY. 10-4"
"STAND BACK."
Are we going to find
what we're looking for?
While we're here?
"LEAVE."
"ALONE"
Leave it alone?
We can't leave it alone.
We were brought here.
- Horrible noise.
Why are we here?
We're here for a reason.
Why are we here?
Did you bring us here?
Did you want us here?
"WHAT'S THAT."
Do you know anything
about the Ink and the Black?
"I WILL."
"PATTERN."
Pattern?
Is there a pattern...
- "READY."
we're missing?
I'm ready. I want
to know.
Do we need to use the cipher?
"READY."
"READY."
I'm ready.
"KARL."
"WASN'T. LISTENING."
I am listening to a lot
of stuff right now...
Yeah!
I just got cold.
- It is cold.
"WHAT IS IT"
What is... what are
you curious about?
"READY."
We're so ready.
- Did you see eyes?
- Yes.
- "HOW DOES"
- C'mon up. Get over here.
- C'mon up.
"LISTEN."
We're listening.
We're ready.
"TO THAT."
Yeah, you can come right up.
"NINE."
Nine.
Almost sounded
like "F-you."
"WE HEARD."
That was loud.
- You heard...
- That was very loud.
"W. W."
W...
Who's a "w"? Wriste?
Terry?
"AIM."
Aim...
"WHO'S THERE."
Who is there?
I just heard like
a twinkling noise.
That was weird.
What was that?
Right over there.
Come on. Keep doing it.
Let us know you're here.
Who's in the caves?
Who's in the mines?
"TALKING. ROOSTER."
A talking rooster?
"NO IT'S NOT."
"No, it's not."
"GIRL. TALKING."
Uh, yeah!
I'm here.
Or is there a girl in there?
That's a lot of what
people hear in that one...
That's right!
Maybe it's a woman
and not a baby.
Like a more...
higher voice.
- We keep hearing a lot about...
- "WHAT'S THE HOLDUP."
- You tell us!
We're trying to get there.
Where should we go next?
"THE MOUNTAINS."
That's where we're
going tomorrow.
What should we be looking
for in the mountains?
"GIRL SEEMS"
"READY. YES, SIR."
We're all ready.
"THANK YOU."
Is there something Dana is
supposed to do
when we're there?
Are we going to meet you?
"EXACTLY."
"IS THAT IT?"
Maybe...
Is that it?
"WHO'S TALKING"
Karl.
- Like, I'm not hearing sounds,
I don't feel...
- Anxious?
- "OKAY."
- Like, I feel...
"BLOODY?"
"SHAPE."
- There's no car...
There would be headlights.
That was like somebody
fucking threw something
in the bushes.
Who's throwing things at us?
- I thought it was a car.
"YOU ALREADY KNOW HIM."
"WRISTE."
- So we already know...
- We already know Wriste?
- Oh! So we know
who he is?
Can you tell us what
his name is?
- Tell us his name.
- His real name.
- What's his...
"HOLLER IN COLD."
Holler in cold... coal?
It was wild.
Like, the stuff that
was happening, just...
There's no logical explanation
for the types of things that
were happening during that
and the way that it was
happening.
Like, it was...
basically precognition.
"THEY'RE."
"WATCHING."
They're watching?
Who's watching?
"YOU'RE NOT ALONE."
Who's watching us?
Maybe...
- Are they...
"THE FOREWORD."
"THE BOOK."
The book?
Oh, shit.
Okay, that's gotta be...
"IT'S RIGHT THERE."
Yeah, it is right there, right?
Record it! He just
said, "record it."
We are, we are.
"It's not red"...
- What is the significance
of red?
This is everything aside
from normal.
No.
Maybe we can't see?
What do we need to see?
What do we need to see?
What are we missing?
The Third Order?
- There was a thump over there.
Can we talk about
Terry Wriste again?
I got the impression
maybe he was Indrid Cold?
Karl is Indrid Cold?
- That's twice it's implied that.
Last time you were talking
about who Indrid Cold was
it talked about me.
- Yeah.
Why do you think Karl
is Indrid Cold?
A little bit.
- That is, yeah.
- A little bit.
- That's a bad arc.
I don't know about that one.
I don't think that'll fit.
That's true.
- That's true.
Truth is stranger
than fiction, I guess.
Okay. Take your time.
Is that how long you've been
doing this?
Son of a bitch...
We gotta check that.
-48 minutes...
- Dude, it changed again.
- Yeah.
- I'm fine.
We came running over here
chasing some fuckin goblin
and Connor narrated it.
And it feels fine now.
- Connor...
I heard like a whistle noise...
Can you help us find
Indrid Cold's house?
The flap?
A hidden flap?
A hidden... is there a
flap no one's found yet?
- A cave?
Like a UFO flap?
"ENCOMPASS"
Encompass... Does it...
- What's it encompassing?
"STILLWATER"
Stillwater.
- It's encompassing still water?
"BRIDGE"
- No, Stillwater is the name
of a town.
- Stillwater Bridge?
"READY"
We're always ready.
"TWO STAR."
Two star...
"MOUNTAIN GREEN."
Thank you for talking with us.
"FOR WHAT. THE WORLD.
READY."
Is the world ready?
"THERE WE GO"
I just saw like a tin can.
Just jumped into my mind.
Like an old tin can.
With no label.
Ah, I feel like...
- My eyes are watering
a little bit.
- I feel like it's over.
- Yeah.
- You think it's over?
- I think you should
pull him out.
He looks agitated.
Thank you. Thank you
for talking to us.
- Thank you.
- We'll talk to you again soon.
God...
- Does he do that every time?
- Alright. I'm gonna
take this off...
Whoever's talking with me,
thank you...
- Everyone does.
- Oh my god...
- How you doing?
- It's so bright...
- Yeah, get the lights.
- That was one of the
weirdest things
I've ever been a part of.
So much of it matched.
- Mmhm
- What we were discussing.
- And you would like...
You would respond to things
that we were physically doing.
- Constantly.
- Yeah.
- Every time Karl
would move something,
you would say
like, "Karl, stop."
Like, just that kind of stuff.
- I kept hearing your voice.
I think that was the only
voice that I heard...
Like, your NAME was
the only name that I heard.
- Oh yeah. You said it a lot.
- And um...
It's been a long time...
I don't remember when I had a...
an image like that pop
into my mind.
- A tin cup? Tin can.
- Just like five minutes ago.
But no, I'm sitting here
and I just...
And suddenly just a tin can.
So I thought it was
worth saying something.
Because it felt very random.
Were you recording
for 48 minutes?
- We're gonna check it.
- Cuz I heard that.
- Oh yeah. That was
super weird.
- 48 minutes...
- That was...
That was great.
- Yeah, we've got to
check the time on that.
Start and end time...
- That was really neat.
That was really cool
to see that.
And be part of that.
For the most part, that
was a really interesting
experience.
And I felt...
like we were definitely
tapping into something
more than just the coincidence
of a word coming up
in relation to what
we were doing
at that moment in time.
It seemed stranger than that.
It seemed more in touch.
There was an alignment happening
very much so, I felt,
that first night.
And then I was taken aback
because something happened
that had never happened before.
I saw something.
I saw it so clearly.
It was a tin can.
Just jumped into my head.
And I had to say something
because it was totally
unprecedented.
And this tin can just suddenly
appeared in my mind.
I could see it.
Clear as day.
It was a tin can,
just sitting there
in this blank space
with no label.
That's it. It was a tin can.
And I didn't understand it.
But I thought it was
worth mentioning because
I've spent so many
dozens and dozens...
Probably over a hundred
hours on the spirit box,
and I've never had an image
pop into my head like that.
The next day was the
day that we decided
we were going to go straight
to anyone who could give us
information about
David Christie.
We wanted to see
if we could make a more
pointed effort
to find who this person was.
And that was going to be
looking up
all the town records.
Did he buy property?
Did he have a driver's license?
Did he exist in this town
for the 8 or 9 months
that he claimed to have
stayed there.
Yeah, so day three
was a boots-on-the-ground day
where we were just out
in the town
knocking on doors and
walking into people's offices
and asking,
"where is David?"
First of all.
And then, "have you experienced
anything weird?"
I'm a paranormal investigator
here, out of Cincinnati
- Okay.
- And there was a guy who,
a few years ago,
called us to the area.
I'm looking to see if he
ever actually lived here.
He gave me a name.
And I'm just trying to figure
out where I would check
to see if there was any records
of this guy actually
living around here.
Because he's just kind of...
disappeared.
This is a case that
we're really trying to get
to the bottom of.
And so, let's go.
Let's go into town.
The nearest town center
was Pikeville.
And we went in.
And walked around to Courthouse
after Courthouse.
We went to the County Surveyors,
the County Assessor's. We
went to the Sheriff's Dept.
The Property Value Assessment
Office would be the perfect
place to tell us
if a person named David
Christe had ever
owend property in that town.
We were showing
everybody these photos,
asking for records
of David Christie.
There had to be some sort
of a record of this man
existing in this community.
The team of us
were sort of passed from
courthouse to courthouse
to records building to police
to back again.
So Greg, Dana, and I
decide to go in,
and start to ask around
about this individual.
This building, that we
walked passed...
- Oh, snap.
- This is the third courthouse
we've been to today.
And we talked
with these individuals.
We walked up and the clerks
looked through
all these different records.
I sat there as they typed away.
And in the end...
It was pretty clear to us...
that no one by the name
of "David Christie"
had ever existed on the grid
in Pikeville or Hellier.
No David Christie.
Nothing.
So, alright, talk to us.
And they were
extremely helpful,
Went into the records...
Found that David Christie
had never owned property
in or around Hellier.
So we checked even Driver
Registration Records.
Nobody by the name of David
Christie had ever
registered a vehicle in town.
So that was real information.
That was like, no
himming and hawing.
He never owned any
property in the area.
That doesn't mean that he
didn't rent property,
and it doesn't mean that he
didn't have property handed
down to him, which is
something that absolutely
could have happened.
But we knew for a fact that
there was never a man
in Hellier named David Christie
who owned property.
At all.
So that was a big red line
through his name I think.
It's possible that he
could've flown under the radar,
but his name at least
was starting to get
less credible.
Even as his story became
a little more credible.
Because we were believing,
based on all of our observations
of this town that yeah,
this could've taken place
in Hellier, Kentucky. Or
right outside of it.
Everything made sense
in that regard.
But the name didn't appear
to be real.
Which was a point
of frustration.
But also a sense of relief
because we were able
to sort of close one portion
of the case.
And it was exactly what
I expected to happen.
We had a lot of people
talking to us
about their own
personal experiences
That same weird
phenomena kept happening.
Where people, they would
immediately say,
"Ah, we never get any
weird stuff like that."
But once they think about it
and you talk to them
for a little bit, they go
"But, there was this one time.."
So we found out that,
yes, people in the towns
around Hellier
are experiencing
paranormal activity,
and they're not just
experiencing
paranormal activity, but
they're experiencing things like
watching UFOs float in the sky
so long that they
just get bored and move on.
We had a woman who was
a psychologist tell us
this crazy story about how she
believes that her family was
being attacked demonically.
But, they used a really
interesting word
that I'd never heard ghosts
described as,
which was "critters."
They had a problem with "critters."
And even the local priest said,
"There are critters
all over here,
and they attach to people
and their families
and properties
pretty easily."
So that I thought was pretty
interesting,
which really says a lot about
the lens that people
view paranormal phenomena
through.
We went into the gas station
to meet with Tami, and discuss
how her grandsons
were going to help us get up
to the Flatwoods
to check out these caves
that had a weird
old burial ground, and they
seemed kind of afraid of it,
and see these footprint
photos that they had
of these strange prints
in the mud.
So it's like, great,
finally, we have a cave,
we're gonna go,
and then Tami walks out
and says that her grandson
decided to go hunting.
So that's not going to work out.
We just so happened to meet,
by complete accident,
This guy named "Joey."
Joey was an amateur caver,
and had lots of stories from
around that area
of really crazy caves.
So we started to ask about
any caves in the area,
particularly caves that might've
had strange stories
and odd folklore and weird
sightings attached to them.
And then as he eased into the
story, he started to tell us
about finding weird carvings,
carvings of flaming
eyeballs on caves,
carvings of snakes,
carvings and statues
of Chief Cornstalk.
Which, oddly enough,
is the same land
and the same Native
American legends
that were tied to
the Point Pleasant area,
where the Mothman case
took place.
And then he said, "well you
know what, there was this
weird cave where they found
this strange,
three-toed footprint."
Apparently the local
University had studied it,
and he said,
"You know, that might be a
cave you guys could check out."
So we spent a lot of time
getting coordinates from Joey
of different caves and caverns
and places that seemed like
they might be a good fit
for our investigation.
And he gave us his number
and said,
"If you have any issues or
anything, please,
feel free to give me a call."
It just was...
It seemed more than coincidence.
It was this thing that
kept happening,
this theme that kept
occurring, which was:
wild goose chase; brick wall;
another yarn
to another wild goose chase.
We felt like we were
trapped in a maze.
We got back to the cabin
probably an hour
after we'd spoken with
this gentleman, Joey.
It's really frustrating,
but every single time
it's just something else that's
new and all these weird
little threads just
keep coming together
and pointing
to different things.
Like the Chief Cornstalk
thing is the one that, like,
now I'm sitting here going,
"well now I've got to read
everything about that,
and figure that out."
- And so that guy said that
he was in a cave?
That there were pictures of
him in a cave?
- Yeah, like carvings of him like
on the sides of...
- Just randomly brought it up.
Out of nowhere!
And that also keeps calling
back to the Keel connection,
the Mothman connection,
like that weird
synchronicity where
you had the book now...
- It's consistently, like from the
start I've said that this feels
like the closest thing I can get
to a Keel case, a mothman case,
and then I had the compulsion
to listen to Mothman
on the drive up.
And then Connor, because
we've been talking about it,
returned my book to me
on the trip.
And then the Ink and the Black
is Indrid Cold,
the name "the Flatwoods monster"
with the Flatwoods up here,
there's a synchronicity there.
- Like a town over from the stuff
where Mothman was happening,
Point Pleasant.
- Yep.
- If this is a hoax,
we're taking the bait.
And it's kind of...
scary.
- Mmhm
- I think what's scary is that
we've taken the bait so far
that we've found something
real from a hoax.
- Mmhm.
- I believe the phenomena
is real. I do.
It's just a really elaborate
way... it's just too much.
It goes too deep.
So I don't know if we're going
to leave with answers,
but I'm glad we're down here
looking for them.
I'm up at the cabin.
I was the only one who
got service at that cabin.
And I get a phone call
and it's Joey.
- Right.
- Really?
Back in...?
- Yeah!
- This is exactly the kind
of person we're looking
to talk to here, sir,
so thank you.
- Yeah!
So you just haphazardly
just ran into him?
- That's perfect!
Definitely an awesome lead
that we're going to look into.
So thank you so much,
it's a big help.
- Absolutely!
Hey, you've become an important
part of this story here.
Thank you.
- Great.
Alright. Well you have
a good night.
Yeah, we'll be in touch.
Thank you.
- What the fuck?!
- He accidentally...?
- He accidentally just ran into
the guy...
- Who was there.
- That was fucking THERE.
And I'm talking to him
And he says, "Hey,
strangest thing.
"I just ran into the guy
on my way home!
The individual who was there
when these three-toed
footprints were captured."
Another synchronicity that's...
astronomically implausible.
Even Joey was a little taken
aback by the chance of it.
So immediately,
out of left field,
completely by accident,
we have a lead
on a three-toed footprint
in a cave
that was studied by
a university.
And so we got this
gentleman's number,
and said we have to
call him and follow up on this.
But this case has constantly
led us down an exciting avenue
that's a dead-end. And we're
sitting at a gas station
with a dead end,
the expedition falling apart,
Hellier being this black hole
of no stories,
and Joey shows up.
And Joey has a synchronicity
of running into the guy
he was telling us about off-hand
from the 80s
who had found a footprint.
A really interesting thing
happened that night
while we're putting together
the next leg of the expedition.
I get a text from Tyler Strand
while we're on the way back
to the cabin that says, like,
"holy weird! I just had a crazy
breakthrough in your search
for the goblins."
Tyler Strand is a wild man.
Hello everyone, Tyler
Strand here...
He's kind of a lone-wolf
paranormal investigator.
We met him a year ago and
instantly took to him.
He's got a really great vibe.
He's super adventurous...
You kind of have to be to do
paranormal investigation
on your lonesome.
But this guy is at an 11
almost constantly.
I always describe him as:
take the most excited dog
you've ever met,
put him in a black leather vest
and give him the
ability to talk.
That's Tyler Strand.
And we've been working with
Tyler on a couple other cases
and the amount of information
and tools that he brings
to the search
are super invaluable.
He said, he just answered:
"Yeah, absolutely. I just had
a strange occurrence.
I mention a lead that I had
to Greg, and I just got some
new details on that development.
I'm not certain how you guys
tied in Point Pleasant slash the
mothman to all this insanity...
Well, I do... but you know what
I mean.
I was just in Point Pleasant
and I have a bizarre
possible connection
to our good friend Indrid Cold."
So that's something
he's bringing in.
- I totally forgot he was at
the Mothman Festival.
- Yeah.
- Which was like a week
and a half ago?
Which was strange timing
to begin with. We had talked
about the goblin search.
In fact, Tyler was constantly
encouraging us to
"get back in that hole,"
so to speak,
with discussions
about different rabbit holes.
And he was really intrigued
by the case. Well, he had done
a little bit of investigating
on his own, and had just been
at the Mothman Festival,
like two weeks before this.
Hello.
Hey, what's up!
I didn't see the missed call.
I didn't hear it come through.
- That's alright.
- What are you doing, wild man?
- Where the hell are you guys at?
What's going on?
- What is this
mind-blowing stuff?
Because there have been a lot
of weird synchronicities
on this trip.
- Well first we wanted to...
Well you want to talk about
synchronicities, Greg,
the more we talk, you know
it's funny because
we talked last time, you and I,
for some reason the shit we do,
we're always like two halves
of a key. So, like, I go...
He met a man
at the Mothman Festival.
Completely by accident.
Who, it turns out, had a real
interest in creature sightings
that were happening
around caves.
This guy ended up taking every
reference to those that he found
in books over the years,
photocopying those pages
and making his own 90-some
page book
out of these creature sightings
around caves.
I'm like, I need to get
my hands on it!
So, this guy's like an awesome
person to have online.
Like, I've got him in my phone,
I could probably call
him up anytime.
So I'm like, I need this book.
I'm like, "If you could make
a copy of this thing, that would
be great."
- Right...
- So fast-forward to the
following day, which is today.
I just got back to my apartment.
I stopped at the gym...
I was at the gym for
a couple hours.
And when I pulled up to the
gym, I have this thought
in my head. I'm like, you know
what, I'm gonna call that guy
now, even though he said he
was busy.
- Yeah.- I'm gonna call
this guy just so he knows that
I'm aware of him and that
I'm going to be keeping in touch
because I want this packet.
I call him up and he picks up
right away and I'm like,
"Hello, Mike, it's Tyler Strand,
I'm calling because I wanted
to follow-up." And he's like,
"You know what's really weird
about you calling me just now?"
I go, "what?" He goes...
Get this shit, he goes, "I was
literally trying to scroll through
my contacts. I was just about to
call you. Had you not called
me right now, I would've called
you in like 10 seconds."
- Really?
- We've heard stories
of your research skills
so you've got the town
and you're right at the same
spot we are...
We're just...
We're lost in this!
- Yeah, we'll be in touch.
- Thanks, yeah, my lips
are sealed.
- Ours too!
- Sounds good! Keep me
posted, have fun!
- Alright, we'll talk
to you soon, Tyler.
- Alright, sounds good.
- Later, dude.- Bye for now!
- Thank you!
- Bye!
- Tyler Strand, everybody.
- Uhh...
- Was he what we...
- Did you see that? What
happened when that...
When he just hung up on
that phone call?
- No.
- The time on the phone call?
- No.
It was 48:48.
- Forty-eight?!
- Is that not ringing a bell?
- Forty-eight...
- Forty-eight minutes.
Son of a bitch...
- Forty-eight minutes!
48:48...
- Holy shit.
- Dude. That was like
a premonition.
- Oh my god.
- What...
- I just started to shake
when I looked at...
- That's so weird...
- When he hung up, I looked
at the numbers,
and I was like, "oh, god."
- What is happening?
- Let me get that record.
It doesn't say the full 48,
it just says 48,
but it was 48:48.
- Well that's fine!
That's pretty good.
Like, what if it was us,
you know what I mean?
- It's like, that's telling us, like
"You should listen to
that phone call."
- That right there is a fucked
up synchronicity.
That's not even a synchronicity,
it was like a premonition.
- A prophecy.
- Yeah, a prophecy. Exactly.
- I didn't hang up, it just
happened at that time.
- So, uh...
- HE hung up at 48:48
What is happening?
because we don't know
what exactly the goblins are,
or whatever is around here,
I'm going to assume to a
certain extent it's sort of
elemental in nature
or land-based.
So we have candles that
represent each one of
the elements: earth,
air, fire, water...
We left some tobacco
and burned some candles,
just out of respect for
whatever's potentially there,
and let it know, "Listen this is
what we're here to do,
we're here to communicate,
so if you want to come
and communicate with us,
the door is wide open,
and we're inviting
that communication."
So Dana did a small ritual
where she burned some candles
and she made an offering
of tobacco to these entities
or spirits, or whatever
they are, in order to more
formally set why we were there
and what we were hoping
to get from them.
And if you're interested
in communicating with us,
that's what we're here for.
If there is anybody here,
anybody that we can't
see right now...
spirits...
I'm not sure who we
might be addressing here.
But we are here
to learn about you.
We're here documenting.
But in reality, you're the star.
We're here because
we were called,
because we want to
know more about you,
because we respect you.
And as long as you have
good intentions,
we are more than willing
to communicate with you.
I think the thing that
caught my attention was like...
it sounded like a...
wooden knock.
- That was a wooden knock.
- Yeah.
That's what I heard
that first time.
I heard that too.
From two different directions.
We kept it broad!
Goodness!
Connor's like,
"I'm out!"
Almost immediately after
Dana did her ritual,
we were hearing wood knocks
that were seemingly
communicating with us,
from both sides of us.
Things were being thrown
from the forest at us.
There were a lot of noises
that we tried our best
to kind of rule out as
natural, animal noises.
But a lot of these
things were...
They felt a little too pointed.
And they started a little
too quickly after
we had done these intention-
setting experiments.
It's the type of phenomenon
that we have witnessed before
in bigfoot expeditions.
And we'd done the same kind of
those intention-setting things
during bigfoot investigations.
So almost immediately
we got the overwhelming
feeling that we were
being watched.
And that we had successfully
drawn something in.
Can you come out
a little closer?
It's okay.
Did you hear that?
- Yeah!
- It just did it back.
- It did it back?
- It went
and went and did it back.
That was really loud.
- Really loud.
Wow... it's super dense.
- No.
I heard a... it was
a little bit more...
croak-ish?
Not like a frog.
But in response,
it was like:.
It was kind of a...
And it went up
like your whistle did.
- Like a mimic kind of.
- A little more guttural.
Maybe we don't speak
the same language,
maybe we don't understand
each other very well,
but I think you can
understand the vibe
we're putting out.
- What do you do when
Greg Newkirk says,
"It's right behind you."
- Stand real still.
Okay, well.
That's officially out.
Thank you for being here,
we want to continue
talking with you, though.
From there, we moved
to the front porch,
and we began setting up
our spirit box experiment,
"The Estes Method."
Connor puts on a pair
of very noise-cancelling
drummer-headphones,
and he pipes in
a spirit box feed.
Now, a spirit box is a
controversial device
in ghost hunting,
where it scans through
these radio stations
at very high rates of speed.
You are going to get clips
of DJ voices, commercials,
talk shows... especially
in the AM frequencies.
And so it's normal to hear
voices out of them.
But with all the static,
with all the noise,
with all the blips and bits
of sound,
it's very easy
to hear what you want
to hear out of it.
We created this method
in order to cut the receiver off
from more anticipated responses,
in the hopes that our
conversation...
that he couldn't hear...
Would line up with the
responses that he's giving back.
We also put a blindfold on
so that there's no
environmental, sensory
influence about what
that conversation is.
So that if we do get some
compelling responses
back and forth,
conversationally,
that is much more
interesting than...
potential responses
that we thought we heard
through a noisy feed.
It just said "Connor,"
it sounded like.
"C'MON."
"WEAPON"
"TOO LATE."
"HI."
Do you know why we're here?
Do you know what
we're trying to do?
What brought us here?
"THAT'S ME, SIR."
- "Do you know what
brought us here?"...
"That's me, sir?"
Do you know who
Terry R. Wriste is?
Do you know who
David Christie is?
"FEASIBLE"
"RIGHT THERE."
"BATMAN."
Mothman?
"YOU... CAN."
"KARL."
I can what?
I have a really
important question.
Which might be why...
"CAREFUL."
- Careful?
- I just clumsily sat down...
- It's like it's got a little bit
of a delay on it.
- Sometimes it's just like a
short delay.
"THERE'S A COYOTE."
- Oh, shit.
"WOOD."
- Where... where is...
- "DOING."
- Where is the coyote?
"RIGHT THERE."
- To the left?
Or to the right?
Over here?
"THEY'RE OVER THERE..."
"DO..."
Thank you for the warning.
- Maybe there'll be
a coyote tomorrow.
Some people call you a goblin.
Do you like that name?
"GET READY."
"MOVING."
Are you moving to the cave?
"THE HILLS."
To the cave in the hills?
Are you going to meet us there?
"RIGHT THERE."
Up in the Flatwoods?
"THE PEOPLE."
"MOVING."
I wasn't taking any of this...
into any sort of...
I couldn't... I had to take it
all with a grain of salt.
Anything I was hearing.
Because...
All I was trying to do
was listen really closely.
And it's something that I have
had a lot of practice with.
And something that I know that
a lot of people who
watch the Method
and a lot of people who
haven't done it themselves
will be skeptical of,
because I would be
skeptical of it.
But I know what I heard.
And apparently I was
narrating what was
going on, is what they told me
when I took the headphones off.
Which is intriguing.
And it seemed like
whoever was there was...
letting us know that...
they're aware of us
and they were right
there with us.
Can we talk more about
this cave?
Can we talk about
the reason that we're here?
Maybe you know more about
it than we do.
You know who sent us here?
"KARL. MOVE."
My camera batteries just died.
Really?
- Did you hear that thump?
- Yes.
- I'm gonna go grab a fresh one.
"HE'S OPEN..."
He did open the door.
"PROBABLY. 10-4"
"STAND BACK."
Are we going to find
what we're looking for?
While we're here?
"LEAVE."
"ALONE"
Leave it alone?
We can't leave it alone.
We were brought here.
- Horrible noise.
Why are we here?
We're here for a reason.
Why are we here?
Did you bring us here?
Did you want us here?
"WHAT'S THAT."
Do you know anything
about the Ink and the Black?
"I WILL."
"PATTERN."
Pattern?
Is there a pattern...
- "READY."
we're missing?
I'm ready. I want
to know.
Do we need to use the cipher?
"READY."
"READY."
I'm ready.
"KARL."
"WASN'T. LISTENING."
I am listening to a lot
of stuff right now...
Yeah!
I just got cold.
- It is cold.
"WHAT IS IT"
What is... what are
you curious about?
"READY."
We're so ready.
- Did you see eyes?
- Yes.
- "HOW DOES"
- C'mon up. Get over here.
- C'mon up.
"LISTEN."
We're listening.
We're ready.
"TO THAT."
Yeah, you can come right up.
"NINE."
Nine.
Almost sounded
like "F-you."
"WE HEARD."
That was loud.
- You heard...
- That was very loud.
"W. W."
W...
Who's a "w"? Wriste?
Terry?
"AIM."
Aim...
"WHO'S THERE."
Who is there?
I just heard like
a twinkling noise.
That was weird.
What was that?
Right over there.
Come on. Keep doing it.
Let us know you're here.
Who's in the caves?
Who's in the mines?
"TALKING. ROOSTER."
A talking rooster?
"NO IT'S NOT."
"No, it's not."
"GIRL. TALKING."
Uh, yeah!
I'm here.
Or is there a girl in there?
That's a lot of what
people hear in that one...
That's right!
Maybe it's a woman
and not a baby.
Like a more...
higher voice.
- We keep hearing a lot about...
- "WHAT'S THE HOLDUP."
- You tell us!
We're trying to get there.
Where should we go next?
"THE MOUNTAINS."
That's where we're
going tomorrow.
What should we be looking
for in the mountains?
"GIRL SEEMS"
"READY. YES, SIR."
We're all ready.
"THANK YOU."
Is there something Dana is
supposed to do
when we're there?
Are we going to meet you?
"EXACTLY."
"IS THAT IT?"
Maybe...
Is that it?
"WHO'S TALKING"
Karl.
- Like, I'm not hearing sounds,
I don't feel...
- Anxious?
- "OKAY."
- Like, I feel...
"BLOODY?"
"SHAPE."
- There's no car...
There would be headlights.
That was like somebody
fucking threw something
in the bushes.
Who's throwing things at us?
- I thought it was a car.
"YOU ALREADY KNOW HIM."
"WRISTE."
- So we already know...
- We already know Wriste?
- Oh! So we know
who he is?
Can you tell us what
his name is?
- Tell us his name.
- His real name.
- What's his...
"HOLLER IN COLD."
Holler in cold... coal?
It was wild.
Like, the stuff that
was happening, just...
There's no logical explanation
for the types of things that
were happening during that
and the way that it was
happening.
Like, it was...
basically precognition.
"THEY'RE."
"WATCHING."
They're watching?
Who's watching?
"YOU'RE NOT ALONE."
Who's watching us?
Maybe...
- Are they...
"THE FOREWORD."
"THE BOOK."
The book?
Oh, shit.
Okay, that's gotta be...
"IT'S RIGHT THERE."
Yeah, it is right there, right?
Record it! He just
said, "record it."
We are, we are.
"It's not red"...
- What is the significance
of red?
This is everything aside
from normal.
No.
Maybe we can't see?
What do we need to see?
What do we need to see?
What are we missing?
The Third Order?
- There was a thump over there.
Can we talk about
Terry Wriste again?
I got the impression
maybe he was Indrid Cold?
Karl is Indrid Cold?
- That's twice it's implied that.
Last time you were talking
about who Indrid Cold was
it talked about me.
- Yeah.
Why do you think Karl
is Indrid Cold?
A little bit.
- That is, yeah.
- A little bit.
- That's a bad arc.
I don't know about that one.
I don't think that'll fit.
That's true.
- That's true.
Truth is stranger
than fiction, I guess.
Okay. Take your time.
Is that how long you've been
doing this?
Son of a bitch...
We gotta check that.
-48 minutes...
- Dude, it changed again.
- Yeah.
- I'm fine.
We came running over here
chasing some fuckin goblin
and Connor narrated it.
And it feels fine now.
- Connor...
I heard like a whistle noise...
Can you help us find
Indrid Cold's house?
The flap?
A hidden flap?
A hidden... is there a
flap no one's found yet?
- A cave?
Like a UFO flap?
"ENCOMPASS"
Encompass... Does it...
- What's it encompassing?
"STILLWATER"
Stillwater.
- It's encompassing still water?
"BRIDGE"
- No, Stillwater is the name
of a town.
- Stillwater Bridge?
"READY"
We're always ready.
"TWO STAR."
Two star...
"MOUNTAIN GREEN."
Thank you for talking with us.
"FOR WHAT. THE WORLD.
READY."
Is the world ready?
"THERE WE GO"
I just saw like a tin can.
Just jumped into my mind.
Like an old tin can.
With no label.
Ah, I feel like...
- My eyes are watering
a little bit.
- I feel like it's over.
- Yeah.
- You think it's over?
- I think you should
pull him out.
He looks agitated.
Thank you. Thank you
for talking to us.
- Thank you.
- We'll talk to you again soon.
God...
- Does he do that every time?
- Alright. I'm gonna
take this off...
Whoever's talking with me,
thank you...
- Everyone does.
- Oh my god...
- How you doing?
- It's so bright...
- Yeah, get the lights.
- That was one of the
weirdest things
I've ever been a part of.
So much of it matched.
- Mmhm
- What we were discussing.
- And you would like...
You would respond to things
that we were physically doing.
- Constantly.
- Yeah.
- Every time Karl
would move something,
you would say
like, "Karl, stop."
Like, just that kind of stuff.
- I kept hearing your voice.
I think that was the only
voice that I heard...
Like, your NAME was
the only name that I heard.
- Oh yeah. You said it a lot.
- And um...
It's been a long time...
I don't remember when I had a...
an image like that pop
into my mind.
- A tin cup? Tin can.
- Just like five minutes ago.
But no, I'm sitting here
and I just...
And suddenly just a tin can.
So I thought it was
worth saying something.
Because it felt very random.
Were you recording
for 48 minutes?
- We're gonna check it.
- Cuz I heard that.
- Oh yeah. That was
super weird.
- 48 minutes...
- That was...
That was great.
- Yeah, we've got to
check the time on that.
Start and end time...
- That was really neat.
That was really cool
to see that.
And be part of that.
For the most part, that
was a really interesting
experience.
And I felt...
like we were definitely
tapping into something
more than just the coincidence
of a word coming up
in relation to what
we were doing
at that moment in time.
It seemed stranger than that.
It seemed more in touch.
There was an alignment happening
very much so, I felt,
that first night.
And then I was taken aback
because something happened
that had never happened before.
I saw something.
I saw it so clearly.
It was a tin can.
Just jumped into my head.
And I had to say something
because it was totally
unprecedented.
And this tin can just suddenly
appeared in my mind.
I could see it.
Clear as day.
It was a tin can,
just sitting there
in this blank space
with no label.
That's it. It was a tin can.
And I didn't understand it.
But I thought it was
worth mentioning because
I've spent so many
dozens and dozens...
Probably over a hundred
hours on the spirit box,
and I've never had an image
pop into my head like that.
The next day was the
day that we decided
we were going to go straight
to anyone who could give us
information about
David Christie.
We wanted to see
if we could make a more
pointed effort
to find who this person was.
And that was going to be
looking up
all the town records.
Did he buy property?
Did he have a driver's license?
Did he exist in this town
for the 8 or 9 months
that he claimed to have
stayed there.
Yeah, so day three
was a boots-on-the-ground day
where we were just out
in the town
knocking on doors and
walking into people's offices
and asking,
"where is David?"
First of all.
And then, "have you experienced
anything weird?"
I'm a paranormal investigator
here, out of Cincinnati
- Okay.
- And there was a guy who,
a few years ago,
called us to the area.
I'm looking to see if he
ever actually lived here.
He gave me a name.
And I'm just trying to figure
out where I would check
to see if there was any records
of this guy actually
living around here.
Because he's just kind of...
disappeared.
This is a case that
we're really trying to get
to the bottom of.
And so, let's go.
Let's go into town.
The nearest town center
was Pikeville.
And we went in.
And walked around to Courthouse
after Courthouse.
We went to the County Surveyors,
the County Assessor's. We
went to the Sheriff's Dept.
The Property Value Assessment
Office would be the perfect
place to tell us
if a person named David
Christe had ever
owend property in that town.
We were showing
everybody these photos,
asking for records
of David Christie.
There had to be some sort
of a record of this man
existing in this community.
The team of us
were sort of passed from
courthouse to courthouse
to records building to police
to back again.
So Greg, Dana, and I
decide to go in,
and start to ask around
about this individual.
This building, that we
walked passed...
- Oh, snap.
- This is the third courthouse
we've been to today.
And we talked
with these individuals.
We walked up and the clerks
looked through
all these different records.
I sat there as they typed away.
And in the end...
It was pretty clear to us...
that no one by the name
of "David Christie"
had ever existed on the grid
in Pikeville or Hellier.
No David Christie.
Nothing.
So, alright, talk to us.
And they were
extremely helpful,
Went into the records...
Found that David Christie
had never owned property
in or around Hellier.
So we checked even Driver
Registration Records.
Nobody by the name of David
Christie had ever
registered a vehicle in town.
So that was real information.
That was like, no
himming and hawing.
He never owned any
property in the area.
That doesn't mean that he
didn't rent property,
and it doesn't mean that he
didn't have property handed
down to him, which is
something that absolutely
could have happened.
But we knew for a fact that
there was never a man
in Hellier named David Christie
who owned property.
At all.
So that was a big red line
through his name I think.
It's possible that he
could've flown under the radar,
but his name at least
was starting to get
less credible.
Even as his story became
a little more credible.
Because we were believing,
based on all of our observations
of this town that yeah,
this could've taken place
in Hellier, Kentucky. Or
right outside of it.
Everything made sense
in that regard.
But the name didn't appear
to be real.
Which was a point
of frustration.
But also a sense of relief
because we were able
to sort of close one portion
of the case.
And it was exactly what
I expected to happen.
We had a lot of people
talking to us
about their own
personal experiences
That same weird
phenomena kept happening.
Where people, they would
immediately say,
"Ah, we never get any
weird stuff like that."
But once they think about it
and you talk to them
for a little bit, they go
"But, there was this one time.."
So we found out that,
yes, people in the towns
around Hellier
are experiencing
paranormal activity,
and they're not just
experiencing
paranormal activity, but
they're experiencing things like
watching UFOs float in the sky
so long that they
just get bored and move on.
We had a woman who was
a psychologist tell us
this crazy story about how she
believes that her family was
being attacked demonically.
But, they used a really
interesting word
that I'd never heard ghosts
described as,
which was "critters."
They had a problem with "critters."
And even the local priest said,
"There are critters
all over here,
and they attach to people
and their families
and properties
pretty easily."
So that I thought was pretty
interesting,
which really says a lot about
the lens that people
view paranormal phenomena
through.
We went into the gas station
to meet with Tami, and discuss
how her grandsons
were going to help us get up
to the Flatwoods
to check out these caves
that had a weird
old burial ground, and they
seemed kind of afraid of it,
and see these footprint
photos that they had
of these strange prints
in the mud.
So it's like, great,
finally, we have a cave,
we're gonna go,
and then Tami walks out
and says that her grandson
decided to go hunting.
So that's not going to work out.
We just so happened to meet,
by complete accident,
This guy named "Joey."
Joey was an amateur caver,
and had lots of stories from
around that area
of really crazy caves.
So we started to ask about
any caves in the area,
particularly caves that might've
had strange stories
and odd folklore and weird
sightings attached to them.
And then as he eased into the
story, he started to tell us
about finding weird carvings,
carvings of flaming
eyeballs on caves,
carvings of snakes,
carvings and statues
of Chief Cornstalk.
Which, oddly enough,
is the same land
and the same Native
American legends
that were tied to
the Point Pleasant area,
where the Mothman case
took place.
And then he said, "well you
know what, there was this
weird cave where they found
this strange,
three-toed footprint."
Apparently the local
University had studied it,
and he said,
"You know, that might be a
cave you guys could check out."
So we spent a lot of time
getting coordinates from Joey
of different caves and caverns
and places that seemed like
they might be a good fit
for our investigation.
And he gave us his number
and said,
"If you have any issues or
anything, please,
feel free to give me a call."
It just was...
It seemed more than coincidence.
It was this thing that
kept happening,
this theme that kept
occurring, which was:
wild goose chase; brick wall;
another yarn
to another wild goose chase.
We felt like we were
trapped in a maze.
We got back to the cabin
probably an hour
after we'd spoken with
this gentleman, Joey.
It's really frustrating,
but every single time
it's just something else that's
new and all these weird
little threads just
keep coming together
and pointing
to different things.
Like the Chief Cornstalk
thing is the one that, like,
now I'm sitting here going,
"well now I've got to read
everything about that,
and figure that out."
- And so that guy said that
he was in a cave?
That there were pictures of
him in a cave?
- Yeah, like carvings of him like
on the sides of...
- Just randomly brought it up.
Out of nowhere!
And that also keeps calling
back to the Keel connection,
the Mothman connection,
like that weird
synchronicity where
you had the book now...
- It's consistently, like from the
start I've said that this feels
like the closest thing I can get
to a Keel case, a mothman case,
and then I had the compulsion
to listen to Mothman
on the drive up.
And then Connor, because
we've been talking about it,
returned my book to me
on the trip.
And then the Ink and the Black
is Indrid Cold,
the name "the Flatwoods monster"
with the Flatwoods up here,
there's a synchronicity there.
- Like a town over from the stuff
where Mothman was happening,
Point Pleasant.
- Yep.
- If this is a hoax,
we're taking the bait.
And it's kind of...
scary.
- Mmhm
- I think what's scary is that
we've taken the bait so far
that we've found something
real from a hoax.
- Mmhm.
- I believe the phenomena
is real. I do.
It's just a really elaborate
way... it's just too much.
It goes too deep.
So I don't know if we're going
to leave with answers,
but I'm glad we're down here
looking for them.
I'm up at the cabin.
I was the only one who
got service at that cabin.
And I get a phone call
and it's Joey.
- Right.
- Really?
Back in...?
- Yeah!
- This is exactly the kind
of person we're looking
to talk to here, sir,
so thank you.
- Yeah!
So you just haphazardly
just ran into him?
- That's perfect!
Definitely an awesome lead
that we're going to look into.
So thank you so much,
it's a big help.
- Absolutely!
Hey, you've become an important
part of this story here.
Thank you.
- Great.
Alright. Well you have
a good night.
Yeah, we'll be in touch.
Thank you.
- What the fuck?!
- He accidentally...?
- He accidentally just ran into
the guy...
- Who was there.
- That was fucking THERE.
And I'm talking to him
And he says, "Hey,
strangest thing.
"I just ran into the guy
on my way home!
The individual who was there
when these three-toed
footprints were captured."
Another synchronicity that's...
astronomically implausible.
Even Joey was a little taken
aback by the chance of it.
So immediately,
out of left field,
completely by accident,
we have a lead
on a three-toed footprint
in a cave
that was studied by
a university.
And so we got this
gentleman's number,
and said we have to
call him and follow up on this.
But this case has constantly
led us down an exciting avenue
that's a dead-end. And we're
sitting at a gas station
with a dead end,
the expedition falling apart,
Hellier being this black hole
of no stories,
and Joey shows up.
And Joey has a synchronicity
of running into the guy
he was telling us about off-hand
from the 80s
who had found a footprint.
A really interesting thing
happened that night
while we're putting together
the next leg of the expedition.
I get a text from Tyler Strand
while we're on the way back
to the cabin that says, like,
"holy weird! I just had a crazy
breakthrough in your search
for the goblins."
Tyler Strand is a wild man.
Hello everyone, Tyler
Strand here...
He's kind of a lone-wolf
paranormal investigator.
We met him a year ago and
instantly took to him.
He's got a really great vibe.
He's super adventurous...
You kind of have to be to do
paranormal investigation
on your lonesome.
But this guy is at an 11
almost constantly.
I always describe him as:
take the most excited dog
you've ever met,
put him in a black leather vest
and give him the
ability to talk.
That's Tyler Strand.
And we've been working with
Tyler on a couple other cases
and the amount of information
and tools that he brings
to the search
are super invaluable.
He said, he just answered:
"Yeah, absolutely. I just had
a strange occurrence.
I mention a lead that I had
to Greg, and I just got some
new details on that development.
I'm not certain how you guys
tied in Point Pleasant slash the
mothman to all this insanity...
Well, I do... but you know what
I mean.
I was just in Point Pleasant
and I have a bizarre
possible connection
to our good friend Indrid Cold."
So that's something
he's bringing in.
- I totally forgot he was at
the Mothman Festival.
- Yeah.
- Which was like a week
and a half ago?
Which was strange timing
to begin with. We had talked
about the goblin search.
In fact, Tyler was constantly
encouraging us to
"get back in that hole,"
so to speak,
with discussions
about different rabbit holes.
And he was really intrigued
by the case. Well, he had done
a little bit of investigating
on his own, and had just been
at the Mothman Festival,
like two weeks before this.
Hello.
Hey, what's up!
I didn't see the missed call.
I didn't hear it come through.
- That's alright.
- What are you doing, wild man?
- Where the hell are you guys at?
What's going on?
- What is this
mind-blowing stuff?
Because there have been a lot
of weird synchronicities
on this trip.
- Well first we wanted to...
Well you want to talk about
synchronicities, Greg,
the more we talk, you know
it's funny because
we talked last time, you and I,
for some reason the shit we do,
we're always like two halves
of a key. So, like, I go...
He met a man
at the Mothman Festival.
Completely by accident.
Who, it turns out, had a real
interest in creature sightings
that were happening
around caves.
This guy ended up taking every
reference to those that he found
in books over the years,
photocopying those pages
and making his own 90-some
page book
out of these creature sightings
around caves.
I'm like, I need to get
my hands on it!
So, this guy's like an awesome
person to have online.
Like, I've got him in my phone,
I could probably call
him up anytime.
So I'm like, I need this book.
I'm like, "If you could make
a copy of this thing, that would
be great."
- Right...
- So fast-forward to the
following day, which is today.
I just got back to my apartment.
I stopped at the gym...
I was at the gym for
a couple hours.
And when I pulled up to the
gym, I have this thought
in my head. I'm like, you know
what, I'm gonna call that guy
now, even though he said he
was busy.
- Yeah.- I'm gonna call
this guy just so he knows that
I'm aware of him and that
I'm going to be keeping in touch
because I want this packet.
I call him up and he picks up
right away and I'm like,
"Hello, Mike, it's Tyler Strand,
I'm calling because I wanted
to follow-up." And he's like,
"You know what's really weird
about you calling me just now?"
I go, "what?" He goes...
Get this shit, he goes, "I was
literally trying to scroll through
my contacts. I was just about to
call you. Had you not called
me right now, I would've called
you in like 10 seconds."
- Really?
- We've heard stories
of your research skills
so you've got the town
and you're right at the same
spot we are...
We're just...
We're lost in this!
- Yeah, we'll be in touch.
- Thanks, yeah, my lips
are sealed.
- Ours too!
- Sounds good! Keep me
posted, have fun!
- Alright, we'll talk
to you soon, Tyler.
- Alright, sounds good.
- Later, dude.- Bye for now!
- Thank you!
- Bye!
- Tyler Strand, everybody.
- Uhh...
- Was he what we...
- Did you see that? What
happened when that...
When he just hung up on
that phone call?
- No.
- The time on the phone call?
- No.
It was 48:48.
- Forty-eight?!
- Is that not ringing a bell?
- Forty-eight...
- Forty-eight minutes.
Son of a bitch...
- Forty-eight minutes!
48:48...
- Holy shit.
- Dude. That was like
a premonition.
- Oh my god.
- What...
- I just started to shake
when I looked at...
- That's so weird...
- When he hung up, I looked
at the numbers,
and I was like, "oh, god."
- What is happening?
- Let me get that record.
It doesn't say the full 48,
it just says 48,
but it was 48:48.
- Well that's fine!
That's pretty good.
Like, what if it was us,
you know what I mean?
- It's like, that's telling us, like
"You should listen to
that phone call."
- That right there is a fucked
up synchronicity.
That's not even a synchronicity,
it was like a premonition.
- A prophecy.
- Yeah, a prophecy. Exactly.
- I didn't hang up, it just
happened at that time.
- So, uh...
- HE hung up at 48:48
What is happening?