Hellier (2019): Season 1, Episode 2 - Ink and Black - full transcript

As soon as this
whole documentary,

expedition project
actually began

to start to coalesce and
become something,

really started to come together,

I realized that we really
needed a team

to sort of tackle this project.

Especially as a filmmaker,
as somebody who wanted

to document the project,
I needed some backup.

And Connor,
from the Stanley Hotel,

Connor Randall,
is one of my best friends.

He’s a really brilliant mind
in the paranormal,



does tons of great research.

And basically I wanted to
be able to bring him alongside

as my right-hand man to be
able to engage in this case

and the research of the case

and go along
and support the project

from that perspective
and having that ability

that I wasn’t necessarily
always able to do

by directing this,
and being behind the camera

and thinking about the story

and then thinking
about the investigation.

And then I wanted to reach out

to Rashad Sisemore,
who is my cameraman, basically.

He’s worked in the film industry
for a couple of years now,

and he’s always been very
passionate about photography



and video and
documentary filmmaking.

So that team right there...

I mean, ultimately
there was five of us

out there trekking around,

and that became
a very core team.

Karl is one of my best friends.

We worked together
for many years

on various paranormal cases,
most frequently

up at the Stanley Hotel,
in Estes Park, Colorado,

where we were two out of three

Resident Paranormal
Investigators

along with Michelle Tate.

We know each other very well.

We know our different
investigative styles very well.

And we’ve spent
so many hundreds of hours

in dark places,
investigating with each other

that we know the methods
that work best for us.

Karl is a fantastic asset

because he has
a really great eye.

Not only for a good shot
or for cinematic details

but for really paying
close attention

to what’s going on.

Karl’s a keen observer

and we use that to our advantage
when we’re doing investigations.

Karl’s a little bit
quieter than I am.

He’s a little bit
more introspective.

And that’s part of the reason
why we work so well

as a duo together

because I’m ready
to just dive in

and talk to everybody
and anybody,

and Karl is the one
who will sit back,

sort of take a step back,

and look at the bigger picture.

So when Karl called me up,
I was ready to go to Kentucky.

We met Karl a couple years back

at the Stanley Hotel.

We’d always kind of
heard about him

and we’d seen a lot of his work

and we really liked
some of the stuff

that he’d been working on.

We thought that
Spirits of the Stanley

was one of the coolest
web series we’d ever seen.

It was shot really well.

They were doing
really cool experiments

that other people weren’t doing.

So when Karl was like,

“Hey, I heard this podcast
about the goblins.

Let’s go and do this.
Let’s cover this,

let’s go back to the town.”

Karl was probably one
of the only people

who could make me go,

alright sure, let’s go.

The Alien Cave Base Task Force
was a joke at the time

and there were a lot of people
who wanted to be on it

and go and investigate
these things

but when Karl showed interest in
it, I was like, Okay, alright,

you pulled my leg, let’s go,
let’s go do it.

Connor, we hadn’t really
spent a whole lot of time with.

So Connor was
kind of a new entity

that had come into the mix.

We’d known him a little bit from
watching Spirits of the Stanley,

so we kind of had a little bit

of an idea of
what to expect of him.

And the fact that
both of these guys

have a really interesting take

on the paranormal and what
instigates paranormal phenomena

and how to investigate
paranormal phenomena,

they were the perfect types
of people to add to the mix.

They’re probably...

And I can’t tell
if this is because

they’re a little younger
than us...

But they’re probably
a little bit more skeptical

than Dana and I are
in our old age.

You suddenly get to
this weird point,

when you’re an investigator

where you’re just like,

“Let me have it.
Let’s go.

I want the weirdest thing
you can throw at me.”

So sometimes it’s good to have
people who have

a little bit of sharper
skeptic edge on them

when you go looking
for something like goblins.

For a good two weeks,
three weeks,

before we got in the car

and went out to Kentucky,

basically since around the time

that this started to solidify,

that Greg and I got on the phone

and we put some dates down
and we tried to schedule it,

the synchronicities

started to show up again,

in force no less.

And once again they were all
revolving around this case.

And there were being foundations
for synchronicities being set

during that time

that we wouldn’t even recognize

until later on
in the expedition.

It was like the case
woke up again,

where it had sat dormantly

for about a year or two since
the last update that they had,

it seemed like as soon
as we put it on the calendar,

all these people woke up
to the case again.

Greg started getting emails
from people who were interested

in adapting it for TV,

he was getting emails
from readers of the blog

who wanted the coordinates
to Brown Mountain.

I mean, like, a week before
our expedition was planned,

he and Dana were called up

super last minute to go
speak at "CryptidCon,"

which they were already
going to be at,

but they were called up
last minute

to give a second lecture about
the Kentucky Goblins case.

So i mean this is a case
that just seemed

to instantly come back,

flooding into their lives again

with all these little pieces
coming up.

And these synchronicities

really began to ramp up
as we went.

I honestly think
the thing about synchronicities

is that they’re meant to capture
your attention for some reason,

and I think that we try to look
at what the synchronicity is

and pick it apart and understand
what exactly it means

when really for the most part

I think its kind of a surface
thing to a certain extent.

I personally find that

when I'm experiencing
a lot of synchronicities

it’s usually during
a really important time

where either something
in my life is changing

or something
around me is changing,

so I’m hyper-aware of them,

and I think that’s what
they’re there for:

I think it’s to keep our brain

out of settling
into that mundane,

auto-pilot brain that a majority
of people are just

sort of living at all the time.

From the start,

I’ve compared this case to the
Mothman Prophecies story,

which was John Keel’s
massive research project

for about two years in
Point Pleasant, West Virginia,

documenting all of the strange,
strange UFOs and cryptid stuff

that were happening in that town

for the time period of
about 1967-1968.

It’s a story that I’ve always
kind of held close to me.

Like, it’s such a bizarre case
that I think anyone

who's fascinated by this
High Strangeness

would read that book

and say, like,
“Where’s my Point Pleasant?"

Like, "Where’s my story that
I can get lost in that weirdness

and have these encounters,
one after another,

that just blow the mind.

And so from the start with this
Goblins case in Kentucky,

I felt like this is kind of
a Point Pleasant case.

I downloaded it on audiobook
to listen to for the drive out

because I love having
an audiobook

to make a drive a little faster.

And we really had no idea

how much that was going to
come into play

later on,

throughout the next two weeks.

One of the most
bizarre encounters

in this entire
Mothman Prophecies story

was the tale of
Woodrow Derenberger,

who was a local
sewing machine salesman,

who was driving home
from work one night,

this UFO runs him
off the highway,

forces him to pull over,

and this entity
steps out of the craft.

As soon as I’d stopped,

there was a door, opened
in the side of this vehicle,

and this man stepped out

and came directly to me.

And this man stood there

and he first asked me
what I was called.

And I knew he meant my name
and I told him my name.

And then he asked me, he said,
“Why are you frightened?”

He said, “Don’t be frightened,
we wish you no harm.”

I told him my name and
when I told him my name,

he said he was called “Cold.”

Now this was the first
of many encounters

that Woodrow Derenberger had

with this entity
named “Indrid Cold.”

And it kind of became
a characteristic story.

It became one of those
extremely odd encounters

with these
ultra-terrestrial figures,

where half of it sounds
utterly absurd and ridiculous

but the other half is very
grounded in UFO lore.

It was a really odd detail
in an extremely odd story.

So as we’re driving
down to Hellier,

we’ve got about a
four or five hour drive.

And for me,
it’s a great opportunity

to flip through
the hard copy file

that Greg has about
this entire strange case so far.

All the emails,
all the correspondences,

all the book excerpts.

I start flipping through
and one of the documents

that I started reading
is the Terry Wriste interview

from the appendix of
Allen Greenfield’s

Secret Cipher of the
UFOnauts book.

In it, Terry Wriste starts off
talking about the cipher

that the book’s all about.

This cipher is this weird,
coded cipher

from Aleister Crowley in fact,

that some ultra-terrestrial
channeled through him

in the 1920’s, the 1910’s,
in Cairo Egypt.

They didn’t crack the cipher
for like sixty years,

all these occultists,

it took them that long.

So as I’m reading through,
these words jump out at me.

And then suddenly, you can see
this little lightbulb go off

above Karl’s head,

and he turns and he goes…

There’s “INK AND BLACK.”

What the fuck?

He says “INK AND BLACK?”

- Yeah, in bold right here,
"112 = INK AND BLACK."

- What?!

Greenfield’s whole philosophy
was that this code

is how these ultra-terrestrials
are communicating

with other people

through what we’re doing.

And that now we can
intercept that code.

And apparently,

one of the hobbies
that Terry Wriste had taken up

was applying this cipher

to the Point Pleasant,
Mothman Case.

And so when he applies
this cipher

to Indrid Cold’s name,

he assumes that "Indrid Cold"
is a code phrase.

He applies the cipher to it.

He gets this coded
information out of it.

And what he interprets
is basically

directions to
Indrid Cold’s location,

presently, in...

At that point it must have been
the mid to late 80s probably?

He goes and
walks up to this house

and meets Indrid Cold,
apparently

And Greenfield, commenting
on all of this, says,

“Was Indrid Cold a black guy?”

and Greenfield says,

“Yeah, you know he’s commonly
referred to as a ‘blond’ alien.

But there’s no race implications
of a ‘blond’ alien,

that’s just a term.

So yeah, how’d you guess
that he was black?”

And Greenfield says,
“Well one of your code-words

that you distilled
from 'Indrid Cold'

was 'INK AND BLACK'

so I kind of took the next step.”

And Terry Wriste says,
“Very good.”

“The most unusual
point was his claim

that they had been invited
to take refuge on Earth

by the Third Order,

humans and posthumans who are
advanced enough to qualify

as Earth’s representatives in
space-based governments”…

So that’s what
the Third Order is.

They're...

They’re humans and
advanced human creature types

who represent the earth

on like the space, astral,
intergalactic...

- U.N…
- Crazy, alien, like...

Real crazy shit
that this is like hinting at.

Like reptilian theorist types,
like all the ones

that have sketched out the whole

fucking mythology
of these things.

So Wriste says, "Right.

This was a distress beacon
disguised as a contact episode.

The whole Mothman thing

was a distress beacon
that failed.”

Greenfield says,

“So the whole mystery
can be decoded in this way?”

Wriste says, “Probably.”

- So…

- So now the email,
when he says,

“Hellier was just a symptom.

The INK AND BLACK are isolated
still and 3rd order is M.I.A.”

He’s saying that Indrid Cold
is still isolated

and that the third order
still hasn’t reached out to save

Indrid Cold from
the evil grays and shit.

Like, that’s what that means.

- [lLaughing]
That’s what that means…

The moment that
you read through all that.

Terry Wriste’s second email

makes all the sense in the world
all of a sudden.

This cryptic, obscure email
suddenly is directly related

to the Mothman Prophecies.
Indrid Cold!

So, you go in here…
They’re talking about

Woodrow Derenberger and
the Mothman Prophecies stuff,

and they get to this point
where there’s some sort…

like, he basically
took the name Indrid Cold

and he did like
a big cipher on it.

And this 112 number
is like some sort of

cipher code to like break
his name somehow

all like Occult stuff.

And 112, he says,

breaks down to “WE ARE ONE,”

which is a code phrase
that tells you

you’re in important territory,

but it also breaks into
“THY WIFE,” “LETTER,”

“WORDS AND SIGNS,”

“INK AND BLACK”
- Oh-ho!

- And “ALL HOUSE OF GOD,”
“THE WHEEL.”

So “INK AND BLACK”
is referring to Indrid Cold,

who’s a black guy, in this case.

So when you come here, in 2013,

he says Indrid Cold
is still isolated,

the Third Order is still M.I.A.,
hasn’t talked to him.

And use the numbers.

So it’s, again, like I said,

this information was out there
at this point.

So like, again, someone
could have just been, like,

“I’m gonna be Terry Wriste”…

- He found the cipher…
- Yeah, yeah, sure.

I mean, you can put together
what he’s kind of talking about.

- But the only other weird part
is he knows the name.

- Exactly.

- Which we never ever
did anything with.

- Exactly.

So to have that just adds a
little bit of weight that, like

could have been faked but

it’s that extra little bit.

It was a really, really weird,

fringe thing to have
be part of that email.

And in that moment,

it suddenly became

part of wider fringe phenomena

that had been occurring
since the 50s.

Things that were investigated

by some of the most famous heads
of paranormal investigation.

So John Keel was now
intertwined in all of this stuff

that we were looking into.

Somebody knew
what we were doing,

they knew
what we were looking into,

and they clearly were giving
us some kind of clue.

There was something specific

that they wanted us
to investigate.

And then once Karl noticed
the references

and it all made sense,

it was really hard to think

it was just somebody
messing around.

The drive into town
is pretty desolate.

The nearest city
is like 30 minutes away.

And going there,
there’s really not much.

A lot of times the road
is really small, really windy,

and there’s a certain feeling
of isolation.

I mean, it’s unmistakable.

It’s really not going
to anywhere

and not coming from anywhere.

But first you have to go

in-between all of these giant,

highway pillars,
that have just been left,

unconstructed and unfinished.

You start to get the feeling
that the town has really been…

I don’t want to say
"forgotten," but…

the highway was literally

going to go right
over the top of it,

so there’s no reason
that anybody would go there.

Jesus Christ.

- This is the place.
- This is the place…

There’s really like
one central hub in Hellier

that we found
and it’s a little gas station

and the gas station doubles
as the grocery store

and a pizza place.

It’s really where everyone’s at

and you can see people
coming and going all the time.

The woman
we were looking for…

Our primary contact lady
that was most into it last time

wasn’t working tonight.

So we’re going to reach out
to her over email

and then phone

and just kind of like,
hang out in this spot

and maybe see what
we can stir up.

My first impressions
of Hellier the first night

when we showed up

were a lot like our very
first experience in Hellier.

It was not a pleasant feeling.

It’s not a comfortable
place to be.

So for the most part,
my first response to it was,

again, similar to the first time
we were there,

I was uncomfortable,

like, very apprehensive
about being there,

hyperaware of myself
being in this environment.

I think part of it also is

that there’s just a weird
feeling to Hellier.

It feels weird.

You drive into it

and it’s an overwhelming,
weird vibe.

I think that’s part of also
what you’re feeling

when you're there.

Especially if you haven’t
lived there your whole life.

Pretty quickly,
we can all feel some eyes on us.

But we were on a mission.
So we had to ask questions.

And we did.
We dove right into it.

Just kinda shooting it with
the locals. And a guy, he said,

“Oh there’s lots of weird stuff,
but mostly zombies”

kind of making a joke
about the people around here…

What’s up, man?

So this is what we’re here
checking out.

This is why we’re in town.

There’s one.

There’s a couple of the tracks.

And another one to give you
kinda an idea of how big it is.

And then he says
this is one of the creatures.

I don’t know.

I’m not a real outdoorsman
or anything, but…

- Hm.
I ain’t never seen nothing.

- Nothing like this?
- No…

Never heard any stories about
weird things in caves and mines?

- Not really.

- Nothing?
- Nah.

- You know anybody we
could ask about it?

- I’m trying to think of people
who gets into stuff like that.

I’m not knocking any of it.
I’m just saying I, myself,

I’ve not seen nothing.
I would love to!

- Yeah.
- I mean, really.

- We all would!

That’s why we’re here!

Where was this
supposed to have been at?

Do you know exactly
where they…?

- This was supposed to
happen here. In Hellier.

No. We’re not
exactly sure where…

That’s what I’m trying
to figure out,

see that’s where I live.

- Okay.

- That’s what I’m
trying to figure,

That's why I was trying
to look at the location…

Dude was only here
for like 7 or 8 months.

Seven or eight months…

No, I… there’s places you
can get to.

So watch out, man.

- Thanks man
- Just watch yourself.

- Thank you.

- Have a good night, dude.

- Just watch yourselves
around here.

- Yep.

Why did he end
the conversation like that?

Call her actual number now?

- I’ll call her now.

This guy in the blue shirt

keeps walking back and forth.

- Yeah he does.

- I mean, not in a
bad way, I think he’s just…

- Curious.

Hi, can I speak to Tami?

- Hey, Tami
my name is Greg Newkirk,

I don’t know
if you remember me or not

But we met about

- Yeah, talking
about weird prints.

- Yeah, how are you?

- I’m fantastic.

I came and I brought some
friends to town

and we’re poking around

kind of looking
into weirdness again.

Wondering if you
heard anything new?

Sorry about that, Tami.

Yeah, we’ll be around
for the next like 4 days.

Oh man, we would
love to talk to him

if he’s into talking to us.

Oh, that’s exactly
what we’re looking for.

Thank you so much.

Alright we’ll talk soon.

- Bye.
- Bye.

We’re here like what?
Half an hour?

And now we got weird footprints
to go check out.

Photos of weird footprints.

If they look like that…

- Of course now, you know,

don’t want to trust everybody.

God that’s ominous.

We do research into these things

and we’ve heard so many
reports from this town

that we just had to come out
and see what’s going on.

This guy was here about
about a year and...

About a year and
a half ago. Asking around.

- We were only here for the day.

We only just
came to scope it out

and plan a trip to come back
and spend more time here.

Several years ago...

- Really?

- Why do you say that?

- Well, you’d burn up.

Well, I guess that’s true. Yeah.

- So you, you...

- Sure.

Nobody around for
only like 7-8 months,

from the sounds of it.

Anybody here ever
just kind of get up and leave?

And all their stuff’s
left there?

And they just left and
never come back?

- David M. Christie.

Doctor David M. Christie.

Supposedly.

- No. Nobody heard of him
last time I was here.

- I think somebody
was using a fake name.

- We know that there’s been
UFO sightings a few years ago.

Last time I was here,
people were talking about

Bigfoot and little creatures.

And ghosts and stuff like that.

- This is what he says is a
picture of one of the creatures.

We kind of figure it looks
a little like that.

- Everywhere.
Looking for stuff like this.

But…

- We’ve found lots of stuff!

- We’d take better
pictures than that!

Well, that’s what this guy did!

So the first night,

we talked with a few people
in the parking lot

and it was kind of
what I was expecting.

We talked to someone who
had a few stories about

maybe weirdness?

But nothing too specific.

And then another guy

who didn’t really have
any experiences there

but was very interested in us
and what we were doing

and then, you know, warning us
about being safe in the area

because it’s not necessarily
a super safe place.

But I think that
we left kind of...

a little bummed out sort of?

Because it was like we were
kind of getting details

but there wasn’t really
anything specifically.

So we kind of left...

I felt a little defeated
sort of,

like as if it chased us
out a little bit.

You know what I mean?

Like I felt like it didn’t,
at that time

want us to be there.

Because everything
was against us:

the sun was going down;

people were kind of
super suspicious of us;

we were feeling wiped out
from the drive;

and then also
kind of apprehensive

about being there
because, again,

new location, sketchy people,
sketchy environment.

So it was as if we showed up

and had a little experience

that really didn’t
pan out into anything

and then kind of left

with our tails between our legs
a little bit.

Had to go somewhere and regroup

and think about how
we were going to re-approach

what we were doing there.

As silly as it sounds,
the one weird thing

about that night

was the fact that no one
would give us anything weird.

That was strange
in and of itself

considering the first time
we were there

in the same spot no less,
we had all these people

telling us all this stuff
about UFOs flying above the town

and ghosts and...

All sorts of things
that I was surprised

you know, having been there
the same amount of time,

that we had a few interesting
maybe leads sort of?

But for the most part people
were like, “no, not really,

we don’t really have any
of that kind of stuff here.

It seemed like a
totally different town.

Completely different.

Than the first time.

While we were sitting
around, Dana thought

it might be a cool idea
to do a tarot spread.

Just to kind of give us an idea…

You know, we were sitting there
planning the weekend,

and the rest of the expedition.

Maybe it would help set
an idea in our heads

about what to expect
for the weekend.

Let me shuffle one.

Yeah, you go ahead.

The thing I like about Tarot

and like I don’t know
how to read Tarot.

I know some interpretations,

but I don’t ever really
typically read them.

I like Dana to do it because
Dana is pretty good at it.

What I like is it kind of
forces you,

regardless of
whether you believe

that there’s any kind of
real power in Tarot

or, you know, it’s just

A fun diversion,

it forces you to approach
a situation differently.

You have to
when you see the cards.

You have to sit there and think

more deeply about
the situation you’re in.

That was pretty obvious.

There’s also a fun saying
in Tarot,

which is why
when something pops out,

you’re supposed to use it.

“What falls to floor
comes to your door.”

There we go.

- That’s really weird.

So...

- Let’s do one more.

- These cards are just,
again, mirroring a lot

of what we were already
talking about.

- I feel like this one
just jolted right over.

- Which way?

- This way.

- Oh, the Devil. Wow.

This is a really shitty reading.

So, often the Hierophant
is described as kind of…

it kind of sits somewhere
between Judgement and...

and kind of the Devil
a little bit.

It’s a card of establishment.

It can often represent

the way things are supposed
to be, sometimes fated.

Five of Cups is the second card,

which is again
a really sad card.

It’s a lot similar
to some of the

other cards that we’ve pulled.

It’s a guy who, instead of
realizing that he has two cups

that are still full,

he’s focused on the three
cups that aren’t full.

And again, same kind
of situation here.

This is such a sad card,

because this person doesn’t
realize that they still have

because they’re too focused
on what they don’t have anymore.

And then the devil
is the card of ego,

it’s the card of
manipulation and...

division, and...

and misuse of power,

and again if we’re
talking about this area,

that’s probably something
that happens a lot here.

This card, I feel probably
resonates the most with me

in regards to the place
that we’re in.

I mean that’s not us
in some way, is it, right?

To apply it in terms of like,

like, are we the ego?

Manipulating a situation

that’s just like, sad,
and not para... like...

Maybe that’s my guilty
conscience thinking...

- But I don’t know,
I see that card

and I think of somebody
like Terry Wriste.

- mmhm

Because you see this
big powerful character

that everyone has all these
thoughts and ideas about

with these people chained up

right underneath of him.

So then if we look at it from
that perspective,

what we can see is,

information being given to us,

and we’re looking
in the wrong direction.

There’s still information.

But we’re
looking at the wrong thing.

- Because we’re living
in his world.

- We’re seeing three
empty cups right now

- Instead of two full cups.

You become the devil when you

want to manipulate people,

when you want things your way,

when your ego becomes so big
that it's...

you know,

it's your...

your version of reality

becomes everyone else’s
version of reality.

And I mean, to a certain
extent that could apply,

because making a
documentary is about

filtering reality

in a certain way

so that other people
observing it

see it your way, right?

So yeah, we definitely
could be the devil.

But it’s a lot
more sinister though.

The thing is…

It’s... the devil is more
about, like,

arrogance and ego

and it comes from more
of a malicious place

rather than wanting
to share information.

It’s an uncomfortable reading

for an uncomfortable place.

- Yeah

- That’s a really good
way to put it.

There’s something off here.

- Mmhm
- Yeah

In this kind of a place,

a place that in all of our
combined research,

we agree that this is an
open window to something else,

this town is.

It takes somebody
to be here with an open mind

in order to experience things.

And so much of the town
doesn't have that.

And we haven’t found
people yet that do,

but I think we will,

if we’re here long enough.

Yeah, I don’t know.

I don't know...

So after that we sat down,

we pulled out all
of our material,

we kind of decided what the
best course of action would be

for the first full day
we would have in town.

And that consisted of calling
the local newspaper,

seeing if they’d ever had
any strange reports,

calling the local
police department,

calling anybody we thought
might have some information.

So what I did is
I spent that night,

I emailed the
local news station,

and then the next day
we got to beating the street.

We got five
minutes till checkout

so we could go sit in the car
and make the calls,

we could go down to the
restaurant...

- Let’s do that.

Yeah we got
five minutes, so…

Okay.

We could take some of your
bags and stuff, help you out.

- Cool.

Sounds good.

The reaction of
the media agencies

was incredibly unusual.

One of the fun things about

being a paranormal
investigator is,

unlike a lot of
different professions,

if you roll into town,

you start asking questions,

people want to give you answers.

They’re interested.

Even if they’re not
completely sold

that what you’re doing is valid,

they think the story
is so interesting,

they’re more than
willing to help.

I’ve never really ran into
too many situations where people

weren’t just ready to bend
over backwards to be part

of a strange tale,

something to talk
about at the bar,

“Hey I met a paranormal
investigator today

and he’s looking into
this or this.”

This was totally different.

The local police department
didn’t answer at all.

I’m sorry, that party
is not available.

Left numerous messages

with different departments
at the local police station.

Hello, my name is Greg Newkirk,
I’m a paranormal investigator

based out of Cincinnati
and I’m spending a few days

here in the Pikeville area,

investigating a case I was put
on to by a man from Hellier.

None of which were returned,

through the entire expedition,
none of them were returned.

- I’m sorry, that party
is not available.

- Goodness.

Every single department line
that we’d call was dead,

nobody would answer.

- I’m sorry,
the call was not answered,

to transfer to a
different extension…

So it’s impossible to get
anybody at the police department

Which is really weird.

The local news station was
completely disinterested.

Thank you so much,
can I give you my number

in case it rattles anything
loose at the office?

And suggested that we call
the local radio station.

So we called the
local radio station

and they kind of blew it off

and said, “Oh, you know,

it’s September, we’re working
on a Halloween piece,

you should really talk to the
people who put together

the fluff piece.”

If you hear anything
or anybody knows anything,

it’d be great to hear from you.

So, there was zero interest
and zero help.

That was like a very
reoccurring weirdness,

was a lack of weirdness.

In and of itself that’s strange.

And so to have all of these
people blowing us off

or not engaging with us
on the subject matter

was bizarre.

And we found that, that morning,
it was frustrating

because there was
just tons of that.

We were calling and calling

and no one was either
answering, returning our calls,

or wanting to talk to us
about the paranormal,

anything paranormal
that was happening in that area.

That would be fantastic,
thank you so much for your help.

No problem.

Take care.

I don’t like this hurry up
and wait thing…

Though David in his emails
never said his address,

he never explained where
his house was with any relation

to any sort of landmark
other than

being slightly outside
of the town of Hellier,

there were some telltale signs

about his property:

he mentioned that

there was an old mine entrance
on the edge of his property,

that he had a shed,

that they had a back porch

that had a back porch light,

and that his house was...

far enough away from
his neighbors

that he could go days
without seeing

a single other living being
other than his family.

So we did a lot of boots
on the ground work.

We were literally just driving
the streets looking for

anything that could potentially
have looked like his house.

Any house that looked like
the one that we originally saw.

And that was blowing up
and down mountain roads

and talking to anybody who
would potentially talk to us.

From what Greg says,

that gas station was
kind of the edge of...

Edge of “Hellier proper.”

So, rolling through here,
this is probably it…

And we’ll be out of it
in like sixty seconds.

If there’s even anything to
speak of.

It’s not that bad.

I mean it’s nice,
it’s relatively…

Quiet.

- Yeah…

God yeah, this
would be, you know…

How would you know what the hell

was happening out here?

Geez, that’s really bumpy.

What’s up?

- That was Hellier.
- Yeah.

There’s a fork that
we passed…

- There’s a couple places
there that…

I’m trying to remember
exactly which one it was

that we went up to
and saw the house.

But there’s a fork back there

that Dana seems to
think might be it.

I feel like it is,
I could be wrong

but it looked like there were
a bunch of houses up that road.

- So I think at this
point it’s just let's...

go and cruise up some roads

and see what we see and...

and stir up the locals too.

- Yeah.

- And then maybe after that,
you know if we find it,

obviously we can pull over.

But if not maybe we can
reconvene

back at the gas station again

before we go get to the B&B.

Yeah. Perfect. I like it.
- Cool.

- I like it a lot.

I mean I don’t know why
you’d move down here

without some connection here.

But if he was a doctor,

maybe he had some sort
of family connection

to some place back up in here?

And like...

if he was sketched out
by it, maybe he just drove

into Pikeville for his groceries

instead of stopping
at that store.

And then no one ever
really knew him,

and he was only here
for seven months,

or eight months,
and then he bounces out,

no one ever knew him
to remember him.

It’s possible.

It doesn’t seem unfeasible.

So our first time in Hellier,

we found a house that seemed
to fit David’s description.

At the time, it had the
right feel to it,

but who knows?

That was two years ago.

And we couldn’t remember
exactly where it was.

The area is covered with
mountain roads

and they go for miles

and some of them are dirt

and you don’t know exactly
where you’re going to end up.

So right away we
started to realize

it was going to be really tricky
trying to find that house again,

if it was even David’s house
to begin with.

It wasn’t until later that
we realized

we actually have footage
of this house,

but while we were there,
we were going by memory,

so we had no idea
how to actually get there.

The problem with
looking for David’s house

is there were a ton of houses
that could have fit the bill.

A lot of them were
currently lived in,

but nearly everybody had
a shed in the back of the house.

Some of the houses

that looked lived in
looked abandoned.

And one of the biggest issues
we were running into

was almost everybody had a mine

on the edge of their property.

The entire mountains
were full of them.

In fact a lot of the roads
that these people lived on

were old mining roads

that people had settled on

because they worked the mine
at the end of the road,

and that’s just where
they stayed.

So all of these places
could have been David’s place.

So, after that point,

we decided to just
start asking around:

Does anyone know this guy?
Does anyone know David?

How you doing?

Pretty good.

Was wondering if you guys

might be able to help us
out a little bit?

We’re in town,
we’re paranormal investigators

and we were called to town
because there was a guy

from around Hellier

who said that he was
finding strange footprints

and they were coming out
of an old cave

or a mineshaft or something

on the edge of his property.

- His name was David Christie.

- Yeah.

No one around here does.

But he sent all
these photographs

of these strange things…

- Not of his property.

He didn’t give us an address,
we didn’t get that far.

I exchanged a whole bunch
of emails with him

and then one day

he just kind of up and left

and then all kinds of
other weird stuff.

Yeah, he just sent us pictures

of like what looked like

three-toed footprints
in a creek bed sort of.

He said it was like a mine
or a cave

or something like that.

Some kind of entrance.

And I know this place is
just filled

with that type of stuff.

- Yeah, no one knows him.

I don’t think that’s
his real name.

- He said he was a doctor.

That was one thing.

He said he was a doctor

and he was new to the area.

As far as I know

he was only here about
seven months before he left.

You guys ever hear any stories,

any weird stories
coming out of the mountains?

Any stories about
little creatures

or weird lights or
anything like that?

- Really?

Coming from a cave?

- Wow that’s cool…

They're hearing noises
that come out of there.

The two gentlemen
we were talking to,

were extremely helpful.

It was a common theme.

These guys, you know...

You come at these guys
with a strange story

and they kind of look at
the stuff and go,

wow, that’s weird.
Well how can we help?

The one piece of information
that they gave us,

which ended up being
something that hinged a lot

on whether we believed this
case had any truth to it at all,

was the fact that the footprints

looked like they were
made in slurry.

That’s a really interesting
detail because slurry

only comes out of abandoned
mines that have blown out.

So, these guys were old
coal-miners.

They knew what this
stuff looked like.

They worked around this stuff.

They had this stuff
on their properties.

And they said,

the way that slurry happens
is when

an old mine that has been
blocked off and boarded up

is flooded.

That’s how they keep people
from going out of it,

how they keep all the crap
from flowing out.

But eventually after years
and years and years,

this stuff, the water, actually

pushes so hard on that blockage,

that one day
it’s going to blow out

and all of the old coal is
going to mix with the mud,

and it’s going to wash out

and almost kind of look
like a muddy black beach.

These guys said
this looks like coal slurry,

so it’s probably
from somewhere around here,

you just have to find a bed
that’s about as wide as this.

We decided to stay
in a town nearby called Jenkins.

It was about twenty, thirty
minutes away from Hellier.

And it was a cabin. It was a
cabin where we could all stay.

We had a crew of five people,

so it was a place where everyone
could stay comfortably,

and it had a nice living room

where we could kind of sit down

and at the end of the night
reconvene

and go over the stuff
that we had learned.

So we stayed at this cabin,

really cool place,
nice and secluded.

No cell phone signal up there
for most of us. No internet.

But it was a good place to
have a little peace and quiet

and a kind of refuge from
some of the craziness

that we were investigating.

The first night we were there,
we figured, well,

we know that there’s caves
and mines all over the mountain

that we’re staying on,

people have a million stories
about this stuff,

and we’re in the same area,

we’re staying in a lot of the
same mountains.

This is a phenomena that
appeared at the time

to be spread out
around the place.

People that we would
talk to outside of town

had a ton of crazy stories.

If these goblins
that we’re looking for,

or other beings

are here in this community,

you would expect that they
would know that we're here.

And so why not go and
investigate them

right at the place
we were staying at.

We were in town.
We were in the area.

And the woods were right there.

So let's go see.

So many different things.

We’re talking about potential

Native American spirits.
Aliens. Goblins.

It's all right in this area.

And we’ve got...

We’re the only people,

we can say with near certainty,
tonight, listening.

And we’re at the place
that called out to you.

Those emails went to
you for a reason.

And maybe that’s this trip.

Maybe that’s to find out
what’s going on in this place.

Because there’s something
going on.

- Maybe it’s more than goblins.

- Yeah.

- Maybe the goblins were just
the key to getting people here.

- It’s just weird enough
to get you here.

- Yeah.

- How many ghost stories
do you hear?

- Oh, tons. Exactly.

And that’s exactly it.

I mean you guys know
what that’s like.

You hear them all the time.

So maybe that’s the idea.

- Yeah.

- Maybe there is something
stranger than goblins here.

Or more important
than goblins here.

And so we have
the four of us that are there

and we’re extremely focused
on getting some contact

with whatever was there.

And I expected it
to get pretty weird.

But not quite
as weird as it was.