Hellier (2019): Season 1, Episode 4 - Slivers of the Future - full transcript
The team pulls out all the stops on their search before receiving an extraordinary greeting.
The Ganzfeld is one way
to communicate, potentially...
- Yeah.
- Or to at least receive...
- a vision of some sort.
- Gordon!
He's just going to keep meowing.
- Maybe Dana shut the
door or something?
- Gordy...
- Hey buddy, hello!
- Can we reset in a second?
If I go open that door
and let him in?
- Yeah, absolutely.
- Hey. Do you wanna go
see your momma?
What's going on? What
do you need?
What are you doing?
Um... I'm not saying
this is anything, but it
might be worth noting.
At one point while you were
talking about Hellier,
my ears started ringing.
Which seems strange.
- What happened?
- While you were talking.
In the middle of the
conversation.
- Talking about Hellier?
- About five minutes ago,
you were like...
"Just the town of Hellier..."
is just...
You were saying about how...
goodness.
It was about how, um...
it's uncomfortable
and this and this...
- And your ears started ringing?
- My ears started ringing, yeah.
- What do you think that means?
- I don't know! I just
played it off!
I was like, "this is...
okay..."
And then it faded away.
It was...
- Maybe you can't
"wash the Hellier off..."
No, I think you can...
- Listen, I got...
- Don't tell me that!
- I got the distinct impression:
Something happened in that cave.
Something... we experienced
something in that cave
that will probably have
a lingering effect.
Oh! Jesus Christ!
Now that we're talking
about this...
I wish Dana was still awake
because...
Fuck.
Do you ever have that feeling...
It's not... this isn't deja vu.
It's a dream. I had a dream
one time. Years ago.
About having a conversation
about being part of something
that...
just the fact of being there,
there was something that
was going to occur
and going to continue to occur.
And it feels familiar.
Like it just...
One of those things that you
normally wouldn't remember,
you wake up:
"It was just a dream."
I'm gonna have to ask her
about it, because...
Just, uh...
Just saying,
"Something happened."
Something happened in that cave.
And I haven't been able to
shake the feeling that
we don't know what that was yet.
So, like, the fact that just
hearing "Hellier"
hearing somebody talk about
Hellier and
your ears start ringing?
That's odd.
- Yeah.
- I don't know, man...
The more we research this thing,
and the more weird stuff
happens with this thing,
and the more we research
the people who came before us
who researched stuff like this,
the more it seems pretty evident
that now we're like,
"in the shit."
And that doesn't typically...
like, you don't get to just go,
"eh, I'm done."
It comes up, and I realize
that it sounds like
you know, cosmic mumbo-jumbo,
but there's a reason we
were there.
Anything that led to that
case wasn't supposed to happen.
Anything that led
to that cavern...
We were never supposed to
be in that cavern!
- Yeah.
- Never!
Had we just driven down
to Hellier and
been able to find a house
that looked kinda like David's
and got permission to go on the
property, and hang out at the cave,
It would've been...
you know,
Who knows what would've
happened, but...
All the series of events that
led to us being in that place
at that time...
are pretty strange.
Even the synchronicities that
led Karl to go,
"We should go do this,
we should go document this."
That in and of itself!
A random auto-tweet from a
1700+ archive of stories
- I know!
- AS he's listening to the story
of the goblins...
- I mean, I don't...
I was expecting to go down and
make a documentary about
this guy who saw goblins
in his back yard.
And how strange that was.
- But this is stranger!
- I didn't, uh...
I didn't expect all this.
What is happening?
- If you told him that...
If you told him that right now,
his head would explode.
- We didn't even talk
about the Spirit Box thing.
- We didn't talk about
a lot of stuff!
- Well no, I mean, it's hard.
- It only gets fucking weirder
than we ever told him.
- And it's hard to explain that,
you know, in a phone call.
- We've had like 4-pages of
synchronicities right now.
You can't explain that
in a phone call!
- That is bizarre.
That's SO bizarre.
- See, it's starting to get to the
point now where it's more,
it feels more like... yeah,
synchronicities and yada yada
It feels more like teasing.
- Yeah.
- Yeah.
- Like antagonizing.
- Antagonistic.
- Like it feels more like they're
toying with us
than "we're being
led somewhere."
- Like, oh ohh
- Like, it's showing off.
- Look at them,
they're at a brick wall.
- It's showing off!
- Well here, let's do this.
- Which is all
Mothman Prophecies too,
they just started fucking around
the whole way.
Like you follow the leads and
there'd just be fuckery there.
Inexplicable fuckery.
- That is so strange.
- My back is like...
my hair is standing up...
Okay.
- Alright.
Well, let's call that guy.
I'm gonna go to the bathroom
and freak out for a second!
I'm actually just gonna go
to the bathroom, but...
The synchronicities...
My thoughts about
synchronicities
is that they are telling you that
you're moving in the right direction.
They're telling you that something's
happening and you're supposed
to be paying attention to
something that's happening.
So the fact that there were
all of these synchronicities
that even led to the fact that
we went to Hellier
in the first place and continued
to ramp up as we were in Hellier
was telling me
we were on to something.
Something was happening.
It was just what part of that
to pay attention to.
One of the weirder things about
synchronicities was told to me
by John Tenney, the researcher
and good friend of mine,
who was having his own
experiences with kind of a
goblin-like creature that he
experienced
up in Michigan in the winter.
Now, it was actually
the same weekend
that I met Greg and Dana
for the first time
there at the Stanley Hotel that
he told me about all these
synchronicities that he was
having related to this creature.
And he illustrated it in a
fascinating way,
where these synchronicities
weren't just random,
mystical-type occurrences
or sign-posts.
He actually called my attention
toward the fact that
they might be manifestations
of the phenomena.
The same way that a spirit
can appear or speak
or touch you on the shoulder,
synchronicity might be a way
that these goblin-like entities
manifest to us.
So in some ways it could be
almost a way of communication
and that's what it felt like
when we were there in Hellier,
in the thick of it all.
Jack... last name is...
Matney.
- Hello?
- Mr Matney, my name's
Connor, how are you?
- Just fine.
- Thank you. Thank you for
speaking with us.
We got your information from Joey.
We're here in town...
Specifically, we're up
in Jenkins right now, but we're
in the area,
and we are looking into claims
that we received
of some three-toed footprints,
and word is you've had
a similar experience.
- Well, I... I guess.
Thirty years ago, we used to
go into the Number...
I don't know if you'd call it the
Number 2 or Number 3 cabin
up there in Jenkins.
- Okay.
- And we used to into this cave.
Now there's a track,
and I could put my two fingers
down in the track.
- Yeah.
Like uh, I don't know if you would
call it a turkey track or something.
- So, it, it...
I could put my two fingers
in the track and my thumb
would be back, sort of like a
turkey track.
But it was way on down in
the cavern too.
- Yeah. So was it fairly small? How
many inches across
would you say it was?
- Just... it's about the size of
my two fingers on my hand.
- Okay.- I laid it down in there...
- Right.
- And I don't know. One of them claims
they sent it off
and it was some kind of prehistoric
bird or something, you know.
It might've been a
lizard track, but uh...
It was down in there.
So we call Jack.
Jack's a very friendly old man
who has lived in the area
his entire life.
He described the footprint.
It was a little bit different
than the footprints that we had.
He described the three-toed
footprint almost as a bird print,
so if you put your two fingers out
like this...
it kind of spread out
to the back.
Not quite the three-toed footprint
that we had photos of,
it was different.
But still. A mysterious,
"shouldn't be there"
three-toed footprint.
But it was still strange.
I mean, the fact that it was
a prehistoric bird or lizard
or something was pretty odd.
And then he started to launch
into other strange stories.
As we're talking with Jack, we
initially say,
"Hey, have you seen anything
strange in this area?"
And he sort of, you know, passes
it off, "oh, no, no, not really."
- Anything along those lines? Like, the
one thing that keeps coming up
all the time are Native
American artifacts,
and Native American spirits
and curses uh... you know, even...
- I've heard some good tales on things
but I've not been with 'em to
experience 'em.
- Do... have you ever heard, you know,
being around as long as you have,
have you ever heard any stories of,
you know, strange lights in the forest
or in the sky, or anything like strange
creatures that nobody could quite
figure out. Maybe human-ish type
looking things?
- Well, I've not seen any
creatures or anything.
Uh, my brothers in fact took
away with Bigfoot.
- Oh, okay. I've heard a lot of
those stories too.
- You know, I've never seen one,
you know. I don't really
hunt for Bigfoot or read
about him.
- Sure.
- The reason we're here is because
a gentleman, a few years back,
emailed us pictures of these footprints,
and he said that there were creatures
on his property. And he said he lived
outside of Hellier. And so we're...
- Hellier?
- Yeah. Hellier.
- Well I, I know where
Hellier is, surely.
At one time it was a real prosperous
place but you know, it died down
and it's just...
sort of an isolated place.
- What happened to make
Hellier like that?
- Well they didn't need the products.
At one time they mined coal
on a large scale. They had coke ovens,
just all sorts of things.
It was, you know, had a lot
of people there.
They even I think maybe
they had a movie theater.
Just a lot of, you know, more modern
things than the rest of the county.
- Yeah.
- And then when all that went bust,
it went out.
- Well it's definitely a really interesting
area, the more we learn about it.
- Oh yes, there's some good
tales and legends.
- Yeah, that's what we're trying
to find. But people haven't
been terribly forthcoming about
a lot of those legends.
I think because we're out-of-towners,
it's taking a little while.
They'll say, "well, I've never seen
anything strange around here."
But once we get them talking,
eventually they'll start telling
stories about strange stuff,
eventually they'll start telling
stories about strange stuff,
so... I don't know,
maybe they're just forgetting?
So... I don't know,
maybe they're just forgetting?
I don't know.
- Oh, I've heard some good
tales...
Over the years.
- I can tell!
- Anything is possible here.
This is one place where
anything is possible.
But this gentleman, he
had some stories.
He had TONS of stories.
None of which he thought
were really crazy, at first.
It kept happening...
"Eh, you know, really nothing
like that,
I don't really see
any weird stuff."
and then he started to launch into
other strange stories.
And then he said,
"you know what?
I did see a big flying disc with
portholes around it one time."
- No, not at all.
- Nope.
- You've seen...
Wait, you've seen UFOs?
- What did it look like?
- Really?
- That's pretty interesting.
We've even heard UFO
reports here too, so...
- Have you seen something like
that more than once?
- Have you seen something like
that more than once?
- But you've seen
more than one UFO?
- Really?
I mean, the only reason I'm
responding that way is
you sound so calm about it.
Does that thing happen
a lot around here?
- So you think you might've had
a sighting around 3 years ago?
And you feel like
that's stopped recently.
Like it's just gone away?
He used to see UFOs
quite regularly,
until about two or three
years ago.
That one stuck with me.
Because that seems to have
been about when a lot of the
activity reports around
Hellier ceased.
Yeah, alright, sure, well you
have a wonderful night, sir.
Thank you for talking to us.
- Take care.
- Bye Jack, we'll see you.
Have a good night.
- I don't know...
It's constant.
Lead...
Fail...
- Yeah. Lead, fail. Lead, fail.
Someone gives us a lead,
promising... fail.
"We got footprint pictures..."
You're never gonna get them.
Which is again, this trend
that we keep seeing,
where we get a lead,
and we hit a dead-end.
We get a synchronicity
that feels like it's pointing
us in a direction
and it's a dead-end.
- That's part... been part of my...
frustration with the weekend too
is the idea of
"okay, are we just making
things connect?"
Are we forcing things too hard?
- That's how I felt this morning!
Was I felt like we were, like...
Driving too Hellier today felt like,
I had this sense...
that we were just scraping
at a normal...
town, and digging up all of its
legends and forcing them to connect
but then you get back to the
stickiness
and you see all the
pieces come together,
and you remember all the
synchronicities,
and you're like, "the fuck?"
But this story has become
a story of synchronicities.
- It is.
- And that's why it's like, it's that
analogy of like,
did we wind up, hoax or not,
being put into a place that's
kind of a flap area?
Or are we just picking up rocks
and looking what's underneath 'em?
And everyone's got stuff
under their rock...
But regardless, there's some
mechanism at work here.
But it's slippery.
I don't know if it's slippery by
intention, slippery by season.
Maybe it's not a flap area at
times, so it's like, you're here,
you're on to it. But like, we can't...
- Maybe it's slippery by design,
you know?
Maybe it's: whatever is there
pulling strings
is doing it on purpose.
- Things are happening to us...
- They're happening!
Pointedly.
Directly.
Deliberately happening.
- Like, in a way that suggests not
only meaningful...
like, meaning behind the
coincidence,
but... design.
- Interaction.
Intelligence.
That night, we're chilling out,
we're making plans for the
next day of the expedition.
We just decided we were
going to chill out for the
rest of the night and kind of
hang out and recuperate.
And as we're sitting there,
Rashad, our camera guy,
starts looking through the
emails and he goes,
"You know, I think there's a
way you can trace an
IP address in these emails."
And immediately, there was
just a flurry!
Everyone's grabbing cameras,
we're sitting down with the laptop,
we're reading instructions on
how to trace header, IP addresses...
- So that's where it came from...
so copy that and put
it into the "Who is"...
And the first one we punch in
to the IP address tracer
makes my heart...
drop.
Because it changes...
everything.
- It's nowhere near...
- Where is it?
- Ontario.
- Ontario, CANADA?
This whole time
we're talking to David Christie,
who says he's emailing us
from Hellier, Kentucky...
thirty minutes, give or take,
from Hellier...
And the IP address says,
Ajax,
Ontario,
Canada.
- So is this finding...
This isn't finding ours, right?
Because we would've been
in Kitchener.
I'm immediately sitting there
thinking,
"Oh, god. It is a hoax.
Who do we know from Ajax?"
- Recieved from... 9-8...
okay so there's 1, 2, 3, 4
different IPs...
The weirder part is,
that's only like 2 hours
from where we were living
at the time that we got the email.
Dana's freaking out. She's
rattling off lists of
ghost-hunters in the area
who don't like her.
I'm trying to think of anyone
I know in Canada!
- Same IP Address...
Roger's Cable. Ontario.
Ajax. City of Ajax.
- Ajax is like... I want to
say north of...
- Yeah, it's north of Toronto.
- Up north a little bit though.
I think it's like a smaller town.
- Hmm...
- I know of it, I've never been to it
but I know of it.
And none of the pieces
are fitting.
It was the weirdest monkey
wrench in the entire case.
- Kitchener to Ajax...
I got the emails from David
while we were in Canada.
While we were living in Canada.
Remember?
Because that's why we couldn't
get to Kentucky.
Because I couldn't leave
the country.
Are there
slurry mines in Canada?
Is there coal mining in Canada?
- Yeah.
- Are some IPs like, protected
from this sort of thing?
- I mean, like, can't people use
like a proxy? Doesn't that...
- I mean, you can.
The thing right there said
people can spoof it if they want.
- And what that will do is
create a fake IP to...
so that if someone searches...
It's like for downloading shit.
- Right.
- Mmhm
- Like a VPN, kind of...
- That's weird.
That's got me all... turned
around and nervous now.
- Nervous about what?
- Like, the implication here is
the first email was a hoax.
- Well, I mean,
we already knew it was,
if David was never here.
- Or we knew that "David"
wasnt a real name.
- A real person. Yeah.
- Somebody's lying, at some level.
- But the content wasn't necessarily...
- Yeah, the content of it wasn't
necessarily in question,
we just had a potential
pseudonymn situation.
But if the email indeed
didn't originate here,
then we've got a whole other
issue on our hands
that calls into question
all the rest of it.
- Yeah.
- Which I think only makes
it weirder.
Because...
We're still experiencing.
- we're here and we're
experiencing.
And for all intents and purposes
supposed to be here, right?
- So...
- I don't know, guys...
- It went so far.
- Yeah. That's the thing.
- Pictures are what's crazy.
- Yeah.
- I can understand writing
a story
and having fun with that.
- Right.
- But going to that extreme
seems like... psycho.
- Yeah.
- Pictures is psycho.
And worrisome.
- Yeah.
- I don't know.
- Especially when the locals are
here saying like, "oh yeah,
that's this area.
That's a coal mine."
- That's crazy.
I don't know.
I don't know what to do.
Because now, everything's
different...
- If we're doing it right,
right?
- It looks like it.
It's pretty simple. You
just cut and paste it.
I don't know what to do.
- We need to talk to like a
tech person who can really just...
- Yeah
- Like Steve?
- Steve would be the guy to talk to.
And tomorrow's a Saturday.
- Mmhm
- Steve's still awake.
- He's still awake?
- Hit him up.
So Connor calls up Steve,
who they've worked with
quite a bit.
He's a tech wiz.
And at this point it's like 2
in the morning;
and fortunately Steve is still
awake and he's like,
"Goblins? Yeah, hit me, let's go!
Let's talk about this."
and it shows all of those headers.
And it shows all of those headers.
But see, the problem is when I put in...
when I put in an Ip address...
But see, the problem is when I put in...
when I put in an Ip address...
I'm getting like three different IPs.
I'm getting one out of Canada,
then I'm getting one out of LA,
and then I'm getting another one
out of...
- Washington?
Some other town in CA.
No, the Washington one
was from another one.
Yeah that's not
totally unheard of.
What could be happening...
when did he send these emails?
- 2012.
Well, the first ones.
Okay so not that long ago.
Now, if he's running a VPN
through his internet provider
or through his browser itself,
then his email could show up
coming from... anywhere.
OKay, see, what the header's
showing you is where
these emails have bounced.
- Okay.
- So basically there's a network
path that it follows
from Point A to Point B.
- Right.
Point A being the origin point
and Point B being you guys.
So when you click
send, you know,
it goes off to his internet provider.
So there's one server that it hits.
Then it's gonna go to
the next server,
then the next server,
then the next server.
It all depends on how the network
traffic is flowing at the moment.
And then it will get to you becauase
obviously it's your email address and
that's where the VNS routing
data goes to.
So, we're talking to Steve
And he's walking us through
the whole thing. And he says,
"Well, send me the emails and
I'll check out the headers."
So we send him the emails.
It took a while to get to
the point where we realized where
the originating IP address was.
And we're still a little fuzzy on
exactly what would happen there.
- We were under the impression
he's like a sixty year-old man
with a family.
- Yeah in rural, rural Kentucky.
And I'm guessing he wouldn't go
out of his way to use a browser
that would hide his IP address
if that was the case.
- You would have to be
pretty tech-savvy to do that.
Now VPN stands forVirtual Private Network.
And essentially what it does
is it creates a temporary IP address
for your computer
while you're browsing the
internet or sending emails.
So it doesn't relay your actual
location and IP address,
and essentially has a random
scrambler.
So whoever is looking up your
information when you send them
something off your IP address
doesn't know exactly what
servers your computer is
bouncing around.
Thereby making your life on
the internet a little more private.
- What about if they work
for the government?
- Or a university? He was a
PhD maybe?
- Yes.
If you work at a university you
would've used a VPN.
Holy shit.
- Okay.
- Okay.- University or a government.
- University or a government.
- Government?
University.
- Government, definitely.
- So what if he's sending them from
inside his workspace
and there's like a whole slew of
computers there.
That would explain the numbers?
- Then yes, those IPs would
make much more sense.
We're trying to figure out
did this guy use a proxy server
maybe? Was he government?
What do we make of this?
What is going on?
And what we're left with is...
Nobody emailed us from
Kentucky as far as we can tell.
By the end of it, the IP addresses
could've been nice
and could've given us a fairly
good idea as to where
David was located. But as we
looked more and more
into it, we realized that it's
possible he is using a VPN,
so we have no idea of knowing
where he's actually at.
In addition, it's pretty clear that these
emails are bouncing off the Yahoo
servers in California, there's a few
other random locations
that they're going around.
So we can't say that
David is from Kentucky.
So we can't say that
David is from Kentucky.
But we also can't say that he's
NOT from Kentucky...
But we also can't say that he's
NOT from Kentucky...
- Like, I'm actually stressed out.
I'm actually stressed out.
And I wasn't really... I was
frustrated but not...
stressed out.
- Yeah, digging through these
signatures and IP addresses
is never an easy thing.
I mean, this seems pretty elaborate
to be like someone saying,
"hey, let's screw with these guys."
It seems pretty elaborate.
- That's been the theme of
the whole trip!
- Wait until tomorrow, Steve,
then you'll be thinking it's
not that elaborate, it's probably
a con, then wait another
five hours and then you'll
think it's pretty elaborate.
- You'll be in our world then!
- Oh it's too late, now he
is in our world!
- Yeah. Watch for
synchronicities, bud.
- Well thank you so much for
your late night help, Steve. We'll...
- Hey, no problem.
We'll keep in touch
with whatever else comes up.
- Thank you so much, man.
- Yeah, anytime guys. Anytime.
- Very cool. Alright, well
we'll continue this weirdness.
- If you don't hear from these guys
in like four or five days, send help.
- Okay, you got it!
- Alright!
- Alright, you guys take care.
- For sure. We will.
Goodnight.- Have a good night.
- What the fuck is happening?
And that was the highest emotional
peak so far for me.
Because I was getting actually upset.
Like legitimately upset.
Like, when I thought that was coming
from, fuckin an hour and a half
away from us, I was fuckin' upset.
Because then it felt more like a
violation than anything else.
- Yeah.
- Yeah.
I feel like...
I feel like David and Terry,
at this point...
No contact from either of them
in years,
the emails are deliberately
shut down.
No point of contact.
David is a ghost.
No records of him in the town
at all, anywhere.
Terry even less, becauase
it's a pseudonym.
There's no way to contact
that person.
At least with David there was
a name. We could look in
phone books, we could look
through records.
Terry is impossible.
Unless Allen Greenfield gives up
who he actually is,
which I highly doubt he's going
to do, we're stuck.
But. After being to Hellier, twice,
and conducting a pretty thorough
exploration of the town
and the legends surrounding the town:
they're not even really the
important part anymore.
They were just the
way we got there.
The important part now is
WHAT is happening in Hellier,
what is happening in Pike County,
what is happening in the Appalachians.
Because this seems to be
a rash of stuff.
One of the things that Terry said was,
"The door is closed,
the window is open."
And I keep thinking about that.
I keep running that through my head.
Because on some level, it feels like we
missed whatever happened in Hellier,
and that feels like a door is closed.
And maybe the door has
closed on Terry,
maybe the door has closed
on David.
But there is still stuff happening.
So, David and Terry, you know,
maybe they're not important anymore.
Maybe that's not the part we're
supposed to be focusing on.
So, we found an old, a very old
train tunnel,
that we were actually pointed
to by Joey.
And it was only used for about
10, 15 years before they shut it down
because it was so unsafe.
It had caves connected to it,
It went into the hills, it went into
the mountains, and considering
that all of these phenomena were
somehow connected to cave systems,
to openings in the earth, it felt
very important
that that's where we go
to finish this off.
It looked the most promising.
It was abandoned and forgotten.
The perfect place that something that
doesn't want to be seen would hide.
The hike in to the
tunnel was really tough.
It was the middle of nowhere
and it was overgrown.
It was pretty obvious that it wasn't
a place that people went to a lot.
It was actually even hard to find on
a map. The only way we were
able to find it is because
this random guy
had given us perfect
GPS coordinates to it.
And it's a tough trek.
Greg is sitting in the back of
the group and I can
hear him cheering us along...
- We're getting really, really close.
80... 85% there!
It was a weird feeling,
hiking through this grass, this
tall grass that's above your head.
The only thing you can really see is
the person in front of you
and you're just going forever.
Dana is a little bit freaked out.
She's standing right behind me,
she keeps asking me,
"Do you see it yet, Connor?
Do you see it yet?"
In-between all of the mud and
everything and
it just went on and on and on.
There's this moment
when you're feeling as if you're
never going to get there,
and I could hear Connor in front
of me say, "I can see it!
I can see the entrance to the cave."
- I see it.
- Do you see it?
- Yeah.
Wow.
And then, suddenly,
through the ten-foot weeds,
I see it.
I see this huge, arching tunnel.
Just enormous. Just huge.
Just enormous. Just huge.
Just out there, alone.
Just out there, alone.
- Holy fuckin' shit.
- Oh my god.
- Woah!
- Look at that!
Is it flat?
- It's uneven, but it's flat.
- Sweet.
So close!
- Oh, shit.
- We're in.
- Holy fuck.
- Wow.
Look at that.
- Oh geez. Okay. Well.
For me, it felt like
I faced some kind of fear.
I actually felt,
By the time we got to the
cave, I was like, "oh!"
I felt empowered,
almost. I felt good about
getting through it, like I had
faced a fear, and we were there.
It looked like a giant mineshaft.
The walls were 30 feet high
to the ceiling.
And it was clear: no one
had spent much time there
in a long time.
- Pass you this?
- No, dude,
you've got to do it...
- You got it?
Shit, it's really wet.
- Okay.
- It's dripping on us.
- Shit.
Shit, shit, shit.
It's so big it doesn't
feel like you're
inside of something right now.
- Oh man...
Dude, this goes for a mile.
This goes for a mile
just like this.
- This is fucked.
Yeah.
- It's remnants of the old
train tunnel.
The old coal trains used
to run right through here.
And that's why it's strange,
because it clearly wasn't a
place where people were
spending a lot of time.
There was no graffiti,
there was nothing on the walls.
Anywhere that kids hang out,
or people go to party, there would
be stuff scratched into the walls
or graffiti. This was...
completely devoid.
I didn't see any anywhere.
It was abandoned.
It was forgotten.
There were old,
super old wooden support beams
There were old,
super old wooden support beams
and they had come crumbling down
and you could see the bare
and they had come crumbling down
and you could see the bare
rock where they had chiseled their
way into this mountain.
It was unsettling.
It was un...
There was no echo.
I expected there to be an echo.
I've spent time in caves,
I've spent time in caverns
and domes and, uh...
I just assumed we're gonna start
doing calls in here
to whatever's there,
we're going to speak to it.
No echo in this place at all.
It was unsettling.
It felt slightly unnatural.
As we start to walk in,
we see something.
- Shut the fuck up.
- No it's not.
- It's a tin can.
And it's a tin can.
Just like the one that I saw.
I just saw like a tin can.
Just jumped into my mind.
Like an old tin can,
with no label.
- Why is this here?
You know?
- I know.
- It's old too, isn't it?
- Yeah, there's like a...
At this point,
I'm a little bit, um...
almost upset.
Because it felt like, uh,
I don't know.
Like some other force had led
us to this and...
I didn't know if we should be
following along to whatever
this thing wanted us to be
following along to,
who put that can there,
why was it there?
It didn't make sense.
And yet it all made sense.
Because that's where we
were supposed to be.
- This is... is this plastic?
I mean, the look itself is enough
for me. But that's the only way
I could think to describe it,
like a soup can with no label.
- Did you hit it with anything?
- Yeah, clamp it.
- I mean, it sounded like...
- No, it's metal.
It's a metal can.
It's metal.
- Well, this is a little...
And I look at it.
And I see the details that I saw
in my mind,
two nights earlier.
And it's really difficult to describe
sort of what that is like.
It's like, imagine having a really
strong deja vu,
except it's like a waking dream
and it just happened to you.
And you see these things start to
happen in your life,
and you don't know what it means,
and then suddenly two days later,
you see exactly the same thing,
sitting there at an abandoned
train tunnel.
I mean it's fascinating and I
think we're on the right track.
I think it's not a bad thing.
It's not like I feel uncomfortable.
- But it's startling.
- Yeah!
People come down here and
like, you know, whatever.
People loiter but like,
what is this?
- Yeah.
- It could be premonitory.
It might not be a message from them
so much as you tapped in,
the same way you did
doing a Ganzfeld outside
of Point Pleasant.
- Yeah. Almost in a way validating
more of that experiment.
You know?
- Yeah.
Where you're just tapping into that
space where you know
where we were going to be in
two or three days.
- A little sliver of the future
kinda popped into your mind.
- Or they're unrelated.
Except by synchronicity.
- Exactly.
That was... that was weird.
And I can't get it out of my head, now.
And I know that if I was
watching this, I'd be like "well..."
I don't know,
I don't know what I'd think.
I don't know what to think
anymore, myself.
But that's what I saw, is that tin
can in my mind.
Yeah.
I don't know where it came from
or why.
But that's the one that I saw...
It feels strange to read too far
into a tin can,
but knowing how that factored
into the entire investigation,
knowing that Connor had
SEEN this thing
in his head and was even nervous
to have spoken about it
because it was so odd, and seeing
Connor's REACTION
to seeing this thing sitting there
had us all a little unsettled.
Once you crossed over into the areas
where the top part,
the ceiling of the tunnel had caved in,
it felt like you were in the shit then.
And this tin can is sort of sitting there,
marking this very, very specific spot.
So that was huge, I mean that's so random,
and there's no way to...
Connor was doing a ghost box session and
saw a tin can in his head.
And then we found a tin can marking
a specific spot, right where
we entered into a space that was very
much not a space that was ours...
That's a hugely symbolic thing.
And I think goes beyond
just random coincidence.
It marked the spot where we
entered into something else's space,
some other reality's space.
And that for me was THE moment.
Of all the moments that we had
that were strange,
that was the most
unbelievable and validating
and strange.
It was significant.
It was one of those signposts that
appeared that let us know
we were on the right path
and to pay attention to what
was about to happen.
to communicate, potentially...
- Yeah.
- Or to at least receive...
- a vision of some sort.
- Gordon!
He's just going to keep meowing.
- Maybe Dana shut the
door or something?
- Gordy...
- Hey buddy, hello!
- Can we reset in a second?
If I go open that door
and let him in?
- Yeah, absolutely.
- Hey. Do you wanna go
see your momma?
What's going on? What
do you need?
What are you doing?
Um... I'm not saying
this is anything, but it
might be worth noting.
At one point while you were
talking about Hellier,
my ears started ringing.
Which seems strange.
- What happened?
- While you were talking.
In the middle of the
conversation.
- Talking about Hellier?
- About five minutes ago,
you were like...
"Just the town of Hellier..."
is just...
You were saying about how...
goodness.
It was about how, um...
it's uncomfortable
and this and this...
- And your ears started ringing?
- My ears started ringing, yeah.
- What do you think that means?
- I don't know! I just
played it off!
I was like, "this is...
okay..."
And then it faded away.
It was...
- Maybe you can't
"wash the Hellier off..."
No, I think you can...
- Listen, I got...
- Don't tell me that!
- I got the distinct impression:
Something happened in that cave.
Something... we experienced
something in that cave
that will probably have
a lingering effect.
Oh! Jesus Christ!
Now that we're talking
about this...
I wish Dana was still awake
because...
Fuck.
Do you ever have that feeling...
It's not... this isn't deja vu.
It's a dream. I had a dream
one time. Years ago.
About having a conversation
about being part of something
that...
just the fact of being there,
there was something that
was going to occur
and going to continue to occur.
And it feels familiar.
Like it just...
One of those things that you
normally wouldn't remember,
you wake up:
"It was just a dream."
I'm gonna have to ask her
about it, because...
Just, uh...
Just saying,
"Something happened."
Something happened in that cave.
And I haven't been able to
shake the feeling that
we don't know what that was yet.
So, like, the fact that just
hearing "Hellier"
hearing somebody talk about
Hellier and
your ears start ringing?
That's odd.
- Yeah.
- I don't know, man...
The more we research this thing,
and the more weird stuff
happens with this thing,
and the more we research
the people who came before us
who researched stuff like this,
the more it seems pretty evident
that now we're like,
"in the shit."
And that doesn't typically...
like, you don't get to just go,
"eh, I'm done."
It comes up, and I realize
that it sounds like
you know, cosmic mumbo-jumbo,
but there's a reason we
were there.
Anything that led to that
case wasn't supposed to happen.
Anything that led
to that cavern...
We were never supposed to
be in that cavern!
- Yeah.
- Never!
Had we just driven down
to Hellier and
been able to find a house
that looked kinda like David's
and got permission to go on the
property, and hang out at the cave,
It would've been...
you know,
Who knows what would've
happened, but...
All the series of events that
led to us being in that place
at that time...
are pretty strange.
Even the synchronicities that
led Karl to go,
"We should go do this,
we should go document this."
That in and of itself!
A random auto-tweet from a
1700+ archive of stories
- I know!
- AS he's listening to the story
of the goblins...
- I mean, I don't...
I was expecting to go down and
make a documentary about
this guy who saw goblins
in his back yard.
And how strange that was.
- But this is stranger!
- I didn't, uh...
I didn't expect all this.
What is happening?
- If you told him that...
If you told him that right now,
his head would explode.
- We didn't even talk
about the Spirit Box thing.
- We didn't talk about
a lot of stuff!
- Well no, I mean, it's hard.
- It only gets fucking weirder
than we ever told him.
- And it's hard to explain that,
you know, in a phone call.
- We've had like 4-pages of
synchronicities right now.
You can't explain that
in a phone call!
- That is bizarre.
That's SO bizarre.
- See, it's starting to get to the
point now where it's more,
it feels more like... yeah,
synchronicities and yada yada
It feels more like teasing.
- Yeah.
- Yeah.
- Like antagonizing.
- Antagonistic.
- Like it feels more like they're
toying with us
than "we're being
led somewhere."
- Like, oh ohh
- Like, it's showing off.
- Look at them,
they're at a brick wall.
- It's showing off!
- Well here, let's do this.
- Which is all
Mothman Prophecies too,
they just started fucking around
the whole way.
Like you follow the leads and
there'd just be fuckery there.
Inexplicable fuckery.
- That is so strange.
- My back is like...
my hair is standing up...
Okay.
- Alright.
Well, let's call that guy.
I'm gonna go to the bathroom
and freak out for a second!
I'm actually just gonna go
to the bathroom, but...
The synchronicities...
My thoughts about
synchronicities
is that they are telling you that
you're moving in the right direction.
They're telling you that something's
happening and you're supposed
to be paying attention to
something that's happening.
So the fact that there were
all of these synchronicities
that even led to the fact that
we went to Hellier
in the first place and continued
to ramp up as we were in Hellier
was telling me
we were on to something.
Something was happening.
It was just what part of that
to pay attention to.
One of the weirder things about
synchronicities was told to me
by John Tenney, the researcher
and good friend of mine,
who was having his own
experiences with kind of a
goblin-like creature that he
experienced
up in Michigan in the winter.
Now, it was actually
the same weekend
that I met Greg and Dana
for the first time
there at the Stanley Hotel that
he told me about all these
synchronicities that he was
having related to this creature.
And he illustrated it in a
fascinating way,
where these synchronicities
weren't just random,
mystical-type occurrences
or sign-posts.
He actually called my attention
toward the fact that
they might be manifestations
of the phenomena.
The same way that a spirit
can appear or speak
or touch you on the shoulder,
synchronicity might be a way
that these goblin-like entities
manifest to us.
So in some ways it could be
almost a way of communication
and that's what it felt like
when we were there in Hellier,
in the thick of it all.
Jack... last name is...
Matney.
- Hello?
- Mr Matney, my name's
Connor, how are you?
- Just fine.
- Thank you. Thank you for
speaking with us.
We got your information from Joey.
We're here in town...
Specifically, we're up
in Jenkins right now, but we're
in the area,
and we are looking into claims
that we received
of some three-toed footprints,
and word is you've had
a similar experience.
- Well, I... I guess.
Thirty years ago, we used to
go into the Number...
I don't know if you'd call it the
Number 2 or Number 3 cabin
up there in Jenkins.
- Okay.
- And we used to into this cave.
Now there's a track,
and I could put my two fingers
down in the track.
- Yeah.
Like uh, I don't know if you would
call it a turkey track or something.
- So, it, it...
I could put my two fingers
in the track and my thumb
would be back, sort of like a
turkey track.
But it was way on down in
the cavern too.
- Yeah. So was it fairly small? How
many inches across
would you say it was?
- Just... it's about the size of
my two fingers on my hand.
- Okay.- I laid it down in there...
- Right.
- And I don't know. One of them claims
they sent it off
and it was some kind of prehistoric
bird or something, you know.
It might've been a
lizard track, but uh...
It was down in there.
So we call Jack.
Jack's a very friendly old man
who has lived in the area
his entire life.
He described the footprint.
It was a little bit different
than the footprints that we had.
He described the three-toed
footprint almost as a bird print,
so if you put your two fingers out
like this...
it kind of spread out
to the back.
Not quite the three-toed footprint
that we had photos of,
it was different.
But still. A mysterious,
"shouldn't be there"
three-toed footprint.
But it was still strange.
I mean, the fact that it was
a prehistoric bird or lizard
or something was pretty odd.
And then he started to launch
into other strange stories.
As we're talking with Jack, we
initially say,
"Hey, have you seen anything
strange in this area?"
And he sort of, you know, passes
it off, "oh, no, no, not really."
- Anything along those lines? Like, the
one thing that keeps coming up
all the time are Native
American artifacts,
and Native American spirits
and curses uh... you know, even...
- I've heard some good tales on things
but I've not been with 'em to
experience 'em.
- Do... have you ever heard, you know,
being around as long as you have,
have you ever heard any stories of,
you know, strange lights in the forest
or in the sky, or anything like strange
creatures that nobody could quite
figure out. Maybe human-ish type
looking things?
- Well, I've not seen any
creatures or anything.
Uh, my brothers in fact took
away with Bigfoot.
- Oh, okay. I've heard a lot of
those stories too.
- You know, I've never seen one,
you know. I don't really
hunt for Bigfoot or read
about him.
- Sure.
- The reason we're here is because
a gentleman, a few years back,
emailed us pictures of these footprints,
and he said that there were creatures
on his property. And he said he lived
outside of Hellier. And so we're...
- Hellier?
- Yeah. Hellier.
- Well I, I know where
Hellier is, surely.
At one time it was a real prosperous
place but you know, it died down
and it's just...
sort of an isolated place.
- What happened to make
Hellier like that?
- Well they didn't need the products.
At one time they mined coal
on a large scale. They had coke ovens,
just all sorts of things.
It was, you know, had a lot
of people there.
They even I think maybe
they had a movie theater.
Just a lot of, you know, more modern
things than the rest of the county.
- Yeah.
- And then when all that went bust,
it went out.
- Well it's definitely a really interesting
area, the more we learn about it.
- Oh yes, there's some good
tales and legends.
- Yeah, that's what we're trying
to find. But people haven't
been terribly forthcoming about
a lot of those legends.
I think because we're out-of-towners,
it's taking a little while.
They'll say, "well, I've never seen
anything strange around here."
But once we get them talking,
eventually they'll start telling
stories about strange stuff,
eventually they'll start telling
stories about strange stuff,
so... I don't know,
maybe they're just forgetting?
So... I don't know,
maybe they're just forgetting?
I don't know.
- Oh, I've heard some good
tales...
Over the years.
- I can tell!
- Anything is possible here.
This is one place where
anything is possible.
But this gentleman, he
had some stories.
He had TONS of stories.
None of which he thought
were really crazy, at first.
It kept happening...
"Eh, you know, really nothing
like that,
I don't really see
any weird stuff."
and then he started to launch into
other strange stories.
And then he said,
"you know what?
I did see a big flying disc with
portholes around it one time."
- No, not at all.
- Nope.
- You've seen...
Wait, you've seen UFOs?
- What did it look like?
- Really?
- That's pretty interesting.
We've even heard UFO
reports here too, so...
- Have you seen something like
that more than once?
- Have you seen something like
that more than once?
- But you've seen
more than one UFO?
- Really?
I mean, the only reason I'm
responding that way is
you sound so calm about it.
Does that thing happen
a lot around here?
- So you think you might've had
a sighting around 3 years ago?
And you feel like
that's stopped recently.
Like it's just gone away?
He used to see UFOs
quite regularly,
until about two or three
years ago.
That one stuck with me.
Because that seems to have
been about when a lot of the
activity reports around
Hellier ceased.
Yeah, alright, sure, well you
have a wonderful night, sir.
Thank you for talking to us.
- Take care.
- Bye Jack, we'll see you.
Have a good night.
- I don't know...
It's constant.
Lead...
Fail...
- Yeah. Lead, fail. Lead, fail.
Someone gives us a lead,
promising... fail.
"We got footprint pictures..."
You're never gonna get them.
Which is again, this trend
that we keep seeing,
where we get a lead,
and we hit a dead-end.
We get a synchronicity
that feels like it's pointing
us in a direction
and it's a dead-end.
- That's part... been part of my...
frustration with the weekend too
is the idea of
"okay, are we just making
things connect?"
Are we forcing things too hard?
- That's how I felt this morning!
Was I felt like we were, like...
Driving too Hellier today felt like,
I had this sense...
that we were just scraping
at a normal...
town, and digging up all of its
legends and forcing them to connect
but then you get back to the
stickiness
and you see all the
pieces come together,
and you remember all the
synchronicities,
and you're like, "the fuck?"
But this story has become
a story of synchronicities.
- It is.
- And that's why it's like, it's that
analogy of like,
did we wind up, hoax or not,
being put into a place that's
kind of a flap area?
Or are we just picking up rocks
and looking what's underneath 'em?
And everyone's got stuff
under their rock...
But regardless, there's some
mechanism at work here.
But it's slippery.
I don't know if it's slippery by
intention, slippery by season.
Maybe it's not a flap area at
times, so it's like, you're here,
you're on to it. But like, we can't...
- Maybe it's slippery by design,
you know?
Maybe it's: whatever is there
pulling strings
is doing it on purpose.
- Things are happening to us...
- They're happening!
Pointedly.
Directly.
Deliberately happening.
- Like, in a way that suggests not
only meaningful...
like, meaning behind the
coincidence,
but... design.
- Interaction.
Intelligence.
That night, we're chilling out,
we're making plans for the
next day of the expedition.
We just decided we were
going to chill out for the
rest of the night and kind of
hang out and recuperate.
And as we're sitting there,
Rashad, our camera guy,
starts looking through the
emails and he goes,
"You know, I think there's a
way you can trace an
IP address in these emails."
And immediately, there was
just a flurry!
Everyone's grabbing cameras,
we're sitting down with the laptop,
we're reading instructions on
how to trace header, IP addresses...
- So that's where it came from...
so copy that and put
it into the "Who is"...
And the first one we punch in
to the IP address tracer
makes my heart...
drop.
Because it changes...
everything.
- It's nowhere near...
- Where is it?
- Ontario.
- Ontario, CANADA?
This whole time
we're talking to David Christie,
who says he's emailing us
from Hellier, Kentucky...
thirty minutes, give or take,
from Hellier...
And the IP address says,
Ajax,
Ontario,
Canada.
- So is this finding...
This isn't finding ours, right?
Because we would've been
in Kitchener.
I'm immediately sitting there
thinking,
"Oh, god. It is a hoax.
Who do we know from Ajax?"
- Recieved from... 9-8...
okay so there's 1, 2, 3, 4
different IPs...
The weirder part is,
that's only like 2 hours
from where we were living
at the time that we got the email.
Dana's freaking out. She's
rattling off lists of
ghost-hunters in the area
who don't like her.
I'm trying to think of anyone
I know in Canada!
- Same IP Address...
Roger's Cable. Ontario.
Ajax. City of Ajax.
- Ajax is like... I want to
say north of...
- Yeah, it's north of Toronto.
- Up north a little bit though.
I think it's like a smaller town.
- Hmm...
- I know of it, I've never been to it
but I know of it.
And none of the pieces
are fitting.
It was the weirdest monkey
wrench in the entire case.
- Kitchener to Ajax...
I got the emails from David
while we were in Canada.
While we were living in Canada.
Remember?
Because that's why we couldn't
get to Kentucky.
Because I couldn't leave
the country.
Are there
slurry mines in Canada?
Is there coal mining in Canada?
- Yeah.
- Are some IPs like, protected
from this sort of thing?
- I mean, like, can't people use
like a proxy? Doesn't that...
- I mean, you can.
The thing right there said
people can spoof it if they want.
- And what that will do is
create a fake IP to...
so that if someone searches...
It's like for downloading shit.
- Right.
- Mmhm
- Like a VPN, kind of...
- That's weird.
That's got me all... turned
around and nervous now.
- Nervous about what?
- Like, the implication here is
the first email was a hoax.
- Well, I mean,
we already knew it was,
if David was never here.
- Or we knew that "David"
wasnt a real name.
- A real person. Yeah.
- Somebody's lying, at some level.
- But the content wasn't necessarily...
- Yeah, the content of it wasn't
necessarily in question,
we just had a potential
pseudonymn situation.
But if the email indeed
didn't originate here,
then we've got a whole other
issue on our hands
that calls into question
all the rest of it.
- Yeah.
- Which I think only makes
it weirder.
Because...
We're still experiencing.
- we're here and we're
experiencing.
And for all intents and purposes
supposed to be here, right?
- So...
- I don't know, guys...
- It went so far.
- Yeah. That's the thing.
- Pictures are what's crazy.
- Yeah.
- I can understand writing
a story
and having fun with that.
- Right.
- But going to that extreme
seems like... psycho.
- Yeah.
- Pictures is psycho.
And worrisome.
- Yeah.
- I don't know.
- Especially when the locals are
here saying like, "oh yeah,
that's this area.
That's a coal mine."
- That's crazy.
I don't know.
I don't know what to do.
Because now, everything's
different...
- If we're doing it right,
right?
- It looks like it.
It's pretty simple. You
just cut and paste it.
I don't know what to do.
- We need to talk to like a
tech person who can really just...
- Yeah
- Like Steve?
- Steve would be the guy to talk to.
And tomorrow's a Saturday.
- Mmhm
- Steve's still awake.
- He's still awake?
- Hit him up.
So Connor calls up Steve,
who they've worked with
quite a bit.
He's a tech wiz.
And at this point it's like 2
in the morning;
and fortunately Steve is still
awake and he's like,
"Goblins? Yeah, hit me, let's go!
Let's talk about this."
and it shows all of those headers.
And it shows all of those headers.
But see, the problem is when I put in...
when I put in an Ip address...
But see, the problem is when I put in...
when I put in an Ip address...
I'm getting like three different IPs.
I'm getting one out of Canada,
then I'm getting one out of LA,
and then I'm getting another one
out of...
- Washington?
Some other town in CA.
No, the Washington one
was from another one.
Yeah that's not
totally unheard of.
What could be happening...
when did he send these emails?
- 2012.
Well, the first ones.
Okay so not that long ago.
Now, if he's running a VPN
through his internet provider
or through his browser itself,
then his email could show up
coming from... anywhere.
OKay, see, what the header's
showing you is where
these emails have bounced.
- Okay.
- So basically there's a network
path that it follows
from Point A to Point B.
- Right.
Point A being the origin point
and Point B being you guys.
So when you click
send, you know,
it goes off to his internet provider.
So there's one server that it hits.
Then it's gonna go to
the next server,
then the next server,
then the next server.
It all depends on how the network
traffic is flowing at the moment.
And then it will get to you becauase
obviously it's your email address and
that's where the VNS routing
data goes to.
So, we're talking to Steve
And he's walking us through
the whole thing. And he says,
"Well, send me the emails and
I'll check out the headers."
So we send him the emails.
It took a while to get to
the point where we realized where
the originating IP address was.
And we're still a little fuzzy on
exactly what would happen there.
- We were under the impression
he's like a sixty year-old man
with a family.
- Yeah in rural, rural Kentucky.
And I'm guessing he wouldn't go
out of his way to use a browser
that would hide his IP address
if that was the case.
- You would have to be
pretty tech-savvy to do that.
Now VPN stands forVirtual Private Network.
And essentially what it does
is it creates a temporary IP address
for your computer
while you're browsing the
internet or sending emails.
So it doesn't relay your actual
location and IP address,
and essentially has a random
scrambler.
So whoever is looking up your
information when you send them
something off your IP address
doesn't know exactly what
servers your computer is
bouncing around.
Thereby making your life on
the internet a little more private.
- What about if they work
for the government?
- Or a university? He was a
PhD maybe?
- Yes.
If you work at a university you
would've used a VPN.
Holy shit.
- Okay.
- Okay.- University or a government.
- University or a government.
- Government?
University.
- Government, definitely.
- So what if he's sending them from
inside his workspace
and there's like a whole slew of
computers there.
That would explain the numbers?
- Then yes, those IPs would
make much more sense.
We're trying to figure out
did this guy use a proxy server
maybe? Was he government?
What do we make of this?
What is going on?
And what we're left with is...
Nobody emailed us from
Kentucky as far as we can tell.
By the end of it, the IP addresses
could've been nice
and could've given us a fairly
good idea as to where
David was located. But as we
looked more and more
into it, we realized that it's
possible he is using a VPN,
so we have no idea of knowing
where he's actually at.
In addition, it's pretty clear that these
emails are bouncing off the Yahoo
servers in California, there's a few
other random locations
that they're going around.
So we can't say that
David is from Kentucky.
So we can't say that
David is from Kentucky.
But we also can't say that he's
NOT from Kentucky...
But we also can't say that he's
NOT from Kentucky...
- Like, I'm actually stressed out.
I'm actually stressed out.
And I wasn't really... I was
frustrated but not...
stressed out.
- Yeah, digging through these
signatures and IP addresses
is never an easy thing.
I mean, this seems pretty elaborate
to be like someone saying,
"hey, let's screw with these guys."
It seems pretty elaborate.
- That's been the theme of
the whole trip!
- Wait until tomorrow, Steve,
then you'll be thinking it's
not that elaborate, it's probably
a con, then wait another
five hours and then you'll
think it's pretty elaborate.
- You'll be in our world then!
- Oh it's too late, now he
is in our world!
- Yeah. Watch for
synchronicities, bud.
- Well thank you so much for
your late night help, Steve. We'll...
- Hey, no problem.
We'll keep in touch
with whatever else comes up.
- Thank you so much, man.
- Yeah, anytime guys. Anytime.
- Very cool. Alright, well
we'll continue this weirdness.
- If you don't hear from these guys
in like four or five days, send help.
- Okay, you got it!
- Alright!
- Alright, you guys take care.
- For sure. We will.
Goodnight.- Have a good night.
- What the fuck is happening?
And that was the highest emotional
peak so far for me.
Because I was getting actually upset.
Like legitimately upset.
Like, when I thought that was coming
from, fuckin an hour and a half
away from us, I was fuckin' upset.
Because then it felt more like a
violation than anything else.
- Yeah.
- Yeah.
I feel like...
I feel like David and Terry,
at this point...
No contact from either of them
in years,
the emails are deliberately
shut down.
No point of contact.
David is a ghost.
No records of him in the town
at all, anywhere.
Terry even less, becauase
it's a pseudonym.
There's no way to contact
that person.
At least with David there was
a name. We could look in
phone books, we could look
through records.
Terry is impossible.
Unless Allen Greenfield gives up
who he actually is,
which I highly doubt he's going
to do, we're stuck.
But. After being to Hellier, twice,
and conducting a pretty thorough
exploration of the town
and the legends surrounding the town:
they're not even really the
important part anymore.
They were just the
way we got there.
The important part now is
WHAT is happening in Hellier,
what is happening in Pike County,
what is happening in the Appalachians.
Because this seems to be
a rash of stuff.
One of the things that Terry said was,
"The door is closed,
the window is open."
And I keep thinking about that.
I keep running that through my head.
Because on some level, it feels like we
missed whatever happened in Hellier,
and that feels like a door is closed.
And maybe the door has
closed on Terry,
maybe the door has closed
on David.
But there is still stuff happening.
So, David and Terry, you know,
maybe they're not important anymore.
Maybe that's not the part we're
supposed to be focusing on.
So, we found an old, a very old
train tunnel,
that we were actually pointed
to by Joey.
And it was only used for about
10, 15 years before they shut it down
because it was so unsafe.
It had caves connected to it,
It went into the hills, it went into
the mountains, and considering
that all of these phenomena were
somehow connected to cave systems,
to openings in the earth, it felt
very important
that that's where we go
to finish this off.
It looked the most promising.
It was abandoned and forgotten.
The perfect place that something that
doesn't want to be seen would hide.
The hike in to the
tunnel was really tough.
It was the middle of nowhere
and it was overgrown.
It was pretty obvious that it wasn't
a place that people went to a lot.
It was actually even hard to find on
a map. The only way we were
able to find it is because
this random guy
had given us perfect
GPS coordinates to it.
And it's a tough trek.
Greg is sitting in the back of
the group and I can
hear him cheering us along...
- We're getting really, really close.
80... 85% there!
It was a weird feeling,
hiking through this grass, this
tall grass that's above your head.
The only thing you can really see is
the person in front of you
and you're just going forever.
Dana is a little bit freaked out.
She's standing right behind me,
she keeps asking me,
"Do you see it yet, Connor?
Do you see it yet?"
In-between all of the mud and
everything and
it just went on and on and on.
There's this moment
when you're feeling as if you're
never going to get there,
and I could hear Connor in front
of me say, "I can see it!
I can see the entrance to the cave."
- I see it.
- Do you see it?
- Yeah.
Wow.
And then, suddenly,
through the ten-foot weeds,
I see it.
I see this huge, arching tunnel.
Just enormous. Just huge.
Just enormous. Just huge.
Just out there, alone.
Just out there, alone.
- Holy fuckin' shit.
- Oh my god.
- Woah!
- Look at that!
Is it flat?
- It's uneven, but it's flat.
- Sweet.
So close!
- Oh, shit.
- We're in.
- Holy fuck.
- Wow.
Look at that.
- Oh geez. Okay. Well.
For me, it felt like
I faced some kind of fear.
I actually felt,
By the time we got to the
cave, I was like, "oh!"
I felt empowered,
almost. I felt good about
getting through it, like I had
faced a fear, and we were there.
It looked like a giant mineshaft.
The walls were 30 feet high
to the ceiling.
And it was clear: no one
had spent much time there
in a long time.
- Pass you this?
- No, dude,
you've got to do it...
- You got it?
Shit, it's really wet.
- Okay.
- It's dripping on us.
- Shit.
Shit, shit, shit.
It's so big it doesn't
feel like you're
inside of something right now.
- Oh man...
Dude, this goes for a mile.
This goes for a mile
just like this.
- This is fucked.
Yeah.
- It's remnants of the old
train tunnel.
The old coal trains used
to run right through here.
And that's why it's strange,
because it clearly wasn't a
place where people were
spending a lot of time.
There was no graffiti,
there was nothing on the walls.
Anywhere that kids hang out,
or people go to party, there would
be stuff scratched into the walls
or graffiti. This was...
completely devoid.
I didn't see any anywhere.
It was abandoned.
It was forgotten.
There were old,
super old wooden support beams
There were old,
super old wooden support beams
and they had come crumbling down
and you could see the bare
and they had come crumbling down
and you could see the bare
rock where they had chiseled their
way into this mountain.
It was unsettling.
It was un...
There was no echo.
I expected there to be an echo.
I've spent time in caves,
I've spent time in caverns
and domes and, uh...
I just assumed we're gonna start
doing calls in here
to whatever's there,
we're going to speak to it.
No echo in this place at all.
It was unsettling.
It felt slightly unnatural.
As we start to walk in,
we see something.
- Shut the fuck up.
- No it's not.
- It's a tin can.
And it's a tin can.
Just like the one that I saw.
I just saw like a tin can.
Just jumped into my mind.
Like an old tin can,
with no label.
- Why is this here?
You know?
- I know.
- It's old too, isn't it?
- Yeah, there's like a...
At this point,
I'm a little bit, um...
almost upset.
Because it felt like, uh,
I don't know.
Like some other force had led
us to this and...
I didn't know if we should be
following along to whatever
this thing wanted us to be
following along to,
who put that can there,
why was it there?
It didn't make sense.
And yet it all made sense.
Because that's where we
were supposed to be.
- This is... is this plastic?
I mean, the look itself is enough
for me. But that's the only way
I could think to describe it,
like a soup can with no label.
- Did you hit it with anything?
- Yeah, clamp it.
- I mean, it sounded like...
- No, it's metal.
It's a metal can.
It's metal.
- Well, this is a little...
And I look at it.
And I see the details that I saw
in my mind,
two nights earlier.
And it's really difficult to describe
sort of what that is like.
It's like, imagine having a really
strong deja vu,
except it's like a waking dream
and it just happened to you.
And you see these things start to
happen in your life,
and you don't know what it means,
and then suddenly two days later,
you see exactly the same thing,
sitting there at an abandoned
train tunnel.
I mean it's fascinating and I
think we're on the right track.
I think it's not a bad thing.
It's not like I feel uncomfortable.
- But it's startling.
- Yeah!
People come down here and
like, you know, whatever.
People loiter but like,
what is this?
- Yeah.
- It could be premonitory.
It might not be a message from them
so much as you tapped in,
the same way you did
doing a Ganzfeld outside
of Point Pleasant.
- Yeah. Almost in a way validating
more of that experiment.
You know?
- Yeah.
Where you're just tapping into that
space where you know
where we were going to be in
two or three days.
- A little sliver of the future
kinda popped into your mind.
- Or they're unrelated.
Except by synchronicity.
- Exactly.
That was... that was weird.
And I can't get it out of my head, now.
And I know that if I was
watching this, I'd be like "well..."
I don't know,
I don't know what I'd think.
I don't know what to think
anymore, myself.
But that's what I saw, is that tin
can in my mind.
Yeah.
I don't know where it came from
or why.
But that's the one that I saw...
It feels strange to read too far
into a tin can,
but knowing how that factored
into the entire investigation,
knowing that Connor had
SEEN this thing
in his head and was even nervous
to have spoken about it
because it was so odd, and seeing
Connor's REACTION
to seeing this thing sitting there
had us all a little unsettled.
Once you crossed over into the areas
where the top part,
the ceiling of the tunnel had caved in,
it felt like you were in the shit then.
And this tin can is sort of sitting there,
marking this very, very specific spot.
So that was huge, I mean that's so random,
and there's no way to...
Connor was doing a ghost box session and
saw a tin can in his head.
And then we found a tin can marking
a specific spot, right where
we entered into a space that was very
much not a space that was ours...
That's a hugely symbolic thing.
And I think goes beyond
just random coincidence.
It marked the spot where we
entered into something else's space,
some other reality's space.
And that for me was THE moment.
Of all the moments that we had
that were strange,
that was the most
unbelievable and validating
and strange.
It was significant.
It was one of those signposts that
appeared that let us know
we were on the right path
and to pay attention to what
was about to happen.