Ghost Adventures: Aftershocks (2014–…): Season 2, Episode 5 - Stonehouse Brewery and Missouri State Penitentiary - full transcript

MAN:
You've got to help me!

ZAK: Do you hear me?
Someone help me!

ZAK:
The last several years,

we have explored many locations.

We have met hundreds
of people...

MAN:
What you do is so valuable.

ZAK: ...many who have
been deeply affected

by our investigations.

He was a gift to me,
mine to cherish.

Are these dark spirits
still plaguing these places...

WOMAN: No.



...and harming these people?

I'm afraid how far it will go
or it could go.

To possibly
ruining a marriage.

Or physically hurting her.

ZAK:
It's time to find out.

This is "Ghost Adventures:
Aftershocks."

In 2012, we investigated
The National Hotel

in Nevada City, California.

While we were there,
we came across

an intensely haunted location
with a very dark past,

The Stonehouse Old Brewery.

How many of you died down here?

Dude!
That sounded like Chinese.

We met owner Nikko Wu,
who is here today



with perhaps one of our most
startling updates yet.

Hi, Nikko.

Hey, Zak.
Good to see you.

Good to see you again.
Please, stay seated.

Good, how are you?
I'm okay, yeah.

You're okay.

Maybe I'm not.

That's why I want
to talk to you.

Yeah.

What we're about
to talk about today

most people would only see
in a Hollywood movie.

You know,
when I first met you,

we went to, uh,
Nevada City, California.

It was an old mining town.

And in this mining town,
these mines and tunnels,

a lot of Chinese immigrants
would be hired

to do
all this laborious work.

Correct?
Correct.

You own a place
called the, uh --

Is it the Stonehouse
Bar and Grill?

Yes, The Stonehouse
Old Brewery.

The Old Brewery.
Yes.

And what was interesting
about this brewery was

what was underneath of it,
underground.

You showed us the entrance
to that tunnel...

Watch your step.
What is down there?

Underneath of your
bar and grill,

The Stonehouse
Bar and Grill.

I remember, um,
I went down in there.

Well, when we were
with you there,

you were very,
um, high spirits.

You were very much happy
and in a good mood.

And, Nikko, have things
changed for the worst?

Yes, mm-hmm.
It's...

Are you okay now?

Uh, no. I'm not.

So, do you think
that your bar and grill

is -- is cursed?

Do you -- do you live
on the property?

I live
on the top floor, yes.

You live at The Stonehouse
Bar and Grill?

Yes.
Oh, wow.

And do you believe that
there are still the remains

of these Chinese laborers

underground
in this tunnel system

underneath your building?

There are remains
under my building.

Bones?
Underground.

The remains?

The remains
of the Chinese laborers.

Back in the 1850s,

when the Chinese were working
building the brewery,

they -- they were
the Chinese coolies,

which is
almost like slave.

Instead of paying them,
on the pay day,

they would round them up,
up the creek,

which is right
by my brewery...

and just kill them.

And then,
the creek would run red.

With blood?

Yes, with blood.
Yeah.

So that trail connect
to the brewery to the park.

Right now, it's called
Dead Man's Trail.

But back then, it's called
the Dead Chinaman's Trail.

So that creek runs
right by your...

Right through
my parking lot.

I know.
I remember where it was.

What started happening
after we left?

Then a business associate
had killed himself.

You know,
it's so horrifying.

I still have nightmares

about he cut his wrist
and his ankles...

...and bled himself to death
and walk all over the house.

And is on the day
that I had

a very important appointment
to show the place.

And I couldn't open the door

because his body
was blocking the door.

And I pushed open.
I saw blood.

Everywhere,
the blood pool.

And it's such
a horrifying thing.

And you saw that?

Yes,
and I couldn't return

to that place
for a long time.

The demon part
has to kill to survive,

and the ghost has to attach
to people to survive.

It's a very dangerous
combination.

It does kill.

ZAK: We've been talking
to Nikko Wu,

owner
of The Stonehouse Old Brewery,

about her connection

to the bones buried
underneath her building

and the negative impact
it's causing in her life.

September 8th, uh,
I was in a car accident.

Did he survive?

So the motorcycle hit your car,
and the wife died?

Yes.

And later on,
I kept thinking,

"You know,
if my car was not there,

"they would fly over that wall
and just die in the canyon,

both of them."

But only one of 'em died?
Yes.

There's no ending to
a particular tragic story

where there's death
attached to it.

And in this case, there
could be hundreds of deaths

attached to a property
that you own.

Yes.

I have a psychic friend,
Morgana,

and she has been very,
very kind and helpful,

try to help me
to get rid of spirits.

When she first came in here,
she said, "Oh, my God.

There's so much spirits."

I have a lot of really,
really lucid dreams.

So what's -- what's going on now
with -- with these?

Because I believe that,
you know, through nightmares,

you can -- you can
get a visual glimpse

of, I believe, what spirits
are trying to tell you.

This is before I know
any history of those ghost

or Chinese coolies,
and I start seeing the vision

of 13 Chinese
crawl out of that tunnel.

The one that we were in?
Yes.

And they were
in blue workers clothes.

Mm-hmm.

And the 13th one,
the last one, come out

as more of like
a governor clothes, you know,

embroideries
and government hat.

And he's, like, the one,

like, you know,
managing the whole crew.

Then, along the side,
you know, the cave,

there were four big,
muscular guy

with big, long,
curly locks.

Most of my dream,
I will wake up.

And there will be people
sitting on my bed.

Every night,
it's a different person.

Did these type events start
getting more and more intense

after we left?

Um, I would say so, yes.

Yes?
Mm-hmm, yeah.

And the people I saw
is quite interesting.

Like, one night
is a big gray mom,

you know, silver hair
with a -- with a nice bun

and big, fluffy skirt.

And then,
the second one I saw

was, um, a dark-complexed,
um, young man.

But his face is all torned
with blood.

And he was
in a miner's outfit --

blue miner's outfit.

I saw a beautiful blonde
with a very short haircut

but in Chinese
white silk gown...

Geez.
...waiting for me

to give her instructions
or something.

Are you -- are you
getting scared?

I'm very scared.

For this to happen
to somebody, you know,

just all of a sudden

to start seeing all these
spirits and ghosts,

how have you not left
this place yet, Nikko?

How are you still there?

I think it's a lot of --
a lot of suffering

for me to go through.

Why do they choose me?

I'm just a very simple
Chinese farmer's daughter.

And that's why I'm glad you --
you find me,

and I'm glad
you willing to help.

Morgana Wyze is a psychic
who is very concerned

with a dark cloud that seems
to be hanging over Nikko.

She's here now
to reveal new information

about her friend's situation.

Hello. How are you?
Hi.

Been better.

Been better?

Mm.

How long have you known
Nikko for?

Since about 2009.

2009?
Yeah.

Um, have you tried
helping her

in -- in what she is claiming
is going on

as far as her
being contacted

by these spirits
of these Chinese miners,

these immigrants
that were killed?

Nikko is haunted

by the Chinese, um, ghosts
underneath Stonehouse.

Any sensible person

would have sold Stonehouse
a long time ago.

But with these things
that have happened

that she's telling me
about, uh, her nightmares...

Uh, one of them was
a traditional blood demon.

A blood demon?

Yeah.

They're a combination
of a demon and ghost.

They're
completely invisible.

And yet,
they have to survive.

They have to eat.

So the demon part
has to kill to survive,

and the ghost has to,
you know,

attach to people
to survive.

It's a very dangerous
combination.

It does kill.

So, do you believe
that this blood demon

that you're speaking of
is affecting you?

Do you think it has?

My son's behavior
changed two years ago.

He was 20 years old.

When he was 18,
he had an internship where --

and I hadn't made
the connection --

where the young man
had suicided.

My son committed suicide
just a short time ago.

And, uh,
he was very tortured

the last two years
of his life.

He was a gift to me,
mine to cherish.

[ Voice breaking ]
Um, sorry.

You believe that this ghost
killed your son?

And then, there's always that --
that dark force there,

and that dark force
is feeding off of blood.

ZAK: We've learned about the
bones of the Chinese laborers

that are haunting Nikko.

Now Morgana is telling me
disturbing new information

about a blood demon

that is haunting The Stonehouse,
as well.

I am absolutely devastated
to hear

that the blood demon
might have also interfered

with Morgana's life.

My son committed suicide
just a short time ago.

And, uh,
he was very tortured

the last two years
of his life.

He was a gift to me,
mine to cherish.

[ Voice breaking ]
Um, sorry.

Do you believe that this ghost
killed your son?

It disturbed me
at the time.

But there was the trail,

and it led right to
the demon-possessed ghost.

To understand a little bit
further, though,

you have to start
with who he was.

I've known he wasn't going
to live to be 21

since he was 5 years old.

He was a soul that came in
to experience the world

in its rawest, purest form

because he had to get
a lesson.

It's a skipped-step soul,
an older soul that --

that, um, comes in
under these circumstances.

They're usually given
to a family

that presents them
with extreme kindness

because the world
is raw to them.

They have no boundaries,
no barriers.

They're completely open
to it.

They never live past 21.

Do you believe that the remains
of these spirits' bodies

are underground
in the -- the tunnel?

Absolutely.
They're there. Yeah.

And they're insisting that
their bones be gathered up

and sent back to China
with all the proper ceremony.

The difficulty there is,
those tunnels are dangerous.

You said that,

when you're away from there,
you feel brighter.

You feel lighter.

You're not in such
an oppressive state.

I think you need
to listen to that.
WU: Yes.

You've witnessed
a lot of bad things

since you've been
in Nevada City.

And in the process
of all this,

there's something
very dark there

protecting these remains

and -- and -- and
basically feeding, like a --

Has created a nest down there
in those tunnels.

And in that nest is --
is a gigantic spider.

And that spider
is the blood demon.

Mm-hmm.
And so basically,
there's a war going on, okay?

You're trying
to save the victims.

Mm-hmm.

And while you're trying
to save the victims,

your enemy...
Yes.

...is this creature,
this blood demon

that we've seen
too many times,

always trying to prevent
or in between the relationship.

Yes.

You know,
always trying to destroy

this -- this saving.
Yeah.

This saving relationship

of victims
and -- and a hero.

And there's always that --
that dark force there.

And that dark force
is feeding off of blood.

And I think that, you know,

you need to make
a real big decision soon

on whether you feel that you
should keep staying there...

or whether
you should just leave.

Thank you. Thank you.
I think that's great advice.

You are a very,
very sweet lady.

Thank you.

You are very kindred,
okay?

And you're very, very nice.
Thank you.

I liked your energy when
we met you, your energy now.

You're a very sweet person.

And, you know, you may just
want to get out of there.

Well, I'm glad that
you came here.

And I'm glad
that you spoke to me.

Yeah.
Thank you so much.

Good to see you again.
Okay.

Yeah. Thank you.
You're welcome.

Here in the "Aftershock" studio,

I have opened myself up
tremendously to countless people

who have had very real
and severe dark attachments.

And being an empath
makes me connect

not to only feeling
their emotions twofold

but also their spirits,

which can have a lasting,
residual effect on my body

both physically and spiritually.

Morgana offers
to take me backstage

and help me release
this energy.

Yeah.

Missouri State Penitentiary,
located in Jefferson, Missouri,

is infamously referred to

as "The Bloodiest 47 Acres
in America."

Until its closing in 2004,
it served as one of the oldest

and most fierce maximum-security
prisons west of the Mississippi,

violence we captured firsthand

when we investigated there
in 2013.

Constructed in 1834 to help
solidify Jefferson City's status

as the state's capital,

this prison was founded
with noble intentions.

However, it wasn't long

before Missouri's only
maximum-security prison

became known for its bloodshed
and violence.

While we were there in 2013,
we met tour guide Maggie Scott,

who told us of a terrifying
physical experience

she had at the prison.

Since then, Maggie's life has
become much more complicated.

Hay, Maggie.

Hi, Zak.
Good to see you again.

Good to see you again.
How are you?

Good.
Good.

Missouri State Penitentiary.

Love that place.

You love it, love it?
Yeah.

Do you love it more
than anything in the world?

I wouldn't go that far.

But...

Do you think other people
that are close to you

would answer that yes?

Perhaps.

Perhaps?
Perhaps.

That's what we're going
to talk about today.

Did you see that, Aaron?

I didn't see anything
back there.

I know there's a light
in my face,

but I saw somebody walk
behind that crate.

Missouri State Penitentiary.

MAGGIE: Love that place.

You love it, love it?

Yeah.

Do you love it more
than anything in the world?

I wouldn't go that far.

But...

Do you think other people
that are close to you

would answer that yes?
Perhaps.

Perhaps?
Perhaps.

That's what we're going
to talk about today.

Why would they say that?

Um...

Why would they say
that you love

an abandoned, old prison

more than them,
your family?

Why would they say that?

Well, I spend
a lot of time up there.

Do you think that...
it's a connection

of the building itself?

Or do you think
it's the spirits?

Both.

Do you believe
that the spirits

from Missouri
State Penitentiary

have used you
as a transportation vehicle

to go from the prison
to your house?

I believe I brought a couple
home with me before.

And do you think
that is the reason,

that has possibly tarnished
the relationship

between you
and your husband?

Maybe that,
among other things.

Okay.

Let's watch a clip
when I first met you.

Okay.

Maggie, a tour guide, has
also had an eerie encounter.

Hers, however,
was far more terrifying.

ZAK: Where do you
not like to go?

"A" hall.

I had a pretty negative
experience in there one night.

[ Echoing ]
And I was absolutely terrified.

And we were just sitting
in the little chairs

and -- and, you know,
down on the main walk.

And...it came up behind me

and wraps its hand
around my shoulder

and squeezed really hard.

Maggie...

you had a terrifying experience
there, in your words.

So, why are you addicted
to the place?

I don't know.

The night after
that touched me, um...

Did somebody just walk back
there, behind those crates?

AARON: Uh, no.

MAN: No.

I just saw somebody.

Legitimately,
I just saw somebody

walk behind those crates.

That's the first time

I've ever seen anything
on this set.

And I could see the beige
of his face.

And there's nobody
back there.

Did you see that, Aaron?

I didn't see anything
back there.

I mean, I know
there's a light in my face,

but I saw somebody
walk behind that crate.

I'm sorry.
MAGGIE: No, it's okay.

Like, the expression
on your face changed, too.

Yeah.

I was gonna get angry
for a second.

I was like,
"Who is right there?"

Uh, we just had a really
crazy moment before

with a psychic medium,

who took me back there
and gave me a cleansing.

Oh, that's great.

And I felt some kind
of crazy thing.

So I don't know.

Maybe that was something
that came off of me.

Um, you -- you were
terrified here.

Um, since
we've seen you last,

were there more experiences
that you've had...

Yes.
...that progressively
got more intense?

Yes?
Yes.

Tell me,
what's -- what's up?

Um,
I've got voice recordings.

I have one.

Uh, it was
in housing unit 1,

which is the old female
department.

Um, and it was a female voice
saying, "They cut me apart."

"They cut me apart"?
"They cut me apart."

And in a female voice?

In a female voice.

In housing unit 3,

which is
the death-row building,

I went around to the backside
of the housing unit.

And I said, "Is everybody out?
We're leaving."

And a female responded
just as clear --

crystal clear as anything,
"I'm still here."

Wow.
We got it on recording.

And, uh, you know, I said,
"Where are you?

Tell me where you are.
I'll come find you."

And nothing.

Mm-hmm.

So your ex-husband is here.

Mm-hmm.

We're separated.

I moved out
last December.

He seems to be telling us
that a big reason

is because of your addiction
to the prison.

Um, uh, obviously,

I was going to interview
you two separately.

But would you mind
if he came out here?

No.
No, that's fine.

Well, I don't know.

[ Laughs ] Maybe.

How about we just try it?
Okay.

Dave and Maggie Scott
have separated

due to her unusual addiction
to Missouri State Penitentiary.

Hi, Zak.

Sorry.

I was planning on interviewing
you guys separately,

but I asked
if this would be okay.

Okay with me.

Yeah.
Okay with you?

So, uh, Dave,
um, we're here

talking about
Missouri State Penitentiary.

I've had so many people sit
in these chairs right here.

And I've seen relationships
be torn apart

because of spirits, ghosts,
places that are haunted.

I've heard this kind of story
so many times.

So, I want to ask you,

did you ever notice
changes in her

and her personality
after coming home

from such a haunted location,

from what I would say
being overexposed

to a very haunted place where
there was a lot of bad energy?

It -- it seemed like she was
a little more on edge,

especially about that place,
you know?

What do you mean?

Um, she's told me that I can't
say anything bad about it.

Or...

She was protective of it.
Very protective of it.

We just had terrible fights
about it.

About the prison?

Yeah. Yeah.

Do you think that
she favored the prison

more than
your relationship?

At times, yes.
Yeah.

Did you ever lay out
on the table and say,

"You either choose the prison or
you choose me?"

Yes.
Yeah.

Yes.

What did she choose?

Um, I think she's gonna stay
with the prison no matter what,

whether I'm around or not.

Is that true, Maggie?
Yeah.

Wow.

It scares me.
I'm afraid how far it will go.

To possibly ruining
a marriage.

Or physically hurting her.

ZAK: I've been talking
with Dave and Maggie Scott

about Maggie's
disturbing relationship

with Missouri State Penitentiary

that is ending her relationship
with her husband.

I think she's gonna stay with
the prison no matter what,

whether I'm around or not.

Is that true, Maggie?
Yeah.

Wow.

Why?

I -- I don't know.

I feel like
it's -- it's old,

and -- and what if
they tear it down?

And I mean,
they're not going to.

But, like,
I'm supposed to protect it.

Does that make sense?

I'll, you know --
I can --

This is a weird situation
right here.

Um, you know, I don't want
to be a marriage counselor.

But, you know, I like
to do interviews

about paranormal stuff.

But this is
involving paranormal,

and I don't want to get
in between of this.

But I -- I guess I am.
Right? Here's what I see.

I'm gonna lay it out
on the line.

Um, was he a good husband?

[ Stammers ] At times.

Was she a good wife?
Yes.

Um, do you believe
that your wife

had, uh, spirit
attachments?

I -- I think
she brought things home.

Maggie,
you agree to that.

Mm-hmm.

Everybody's asking
right now --

I can hear them at home,

"Maggie, why didn't you
just stop going to the prison

and just try
to patch things up here?"

I don't know.

Can't answer it?
No.

Will anything ever stop you
from going to that prison,

even if it's something
like this?

I don't think so.

Uh, how much time
do you spend there?

A lot.

Do you have a daughter?
Yes.

Is she here today?

Yes.
Okay.

I feel like
there's a lot more to this,

and I think maybe
having a third person

who's witnessed this
can tell me a little bit more.

ZAK: I want to talk
to Morgan Scott

to see if she's able to provide
more information

with what is going on
between her parents.

Hey, Morgan.

Hi, Zak.
How you doing?

Good, how are you?
Good.

So, tell me what's going on

with, uh,
with your mom and dad.

Mm-hmm.
Yeah.

They're separated.

They're separated?
For now, yeah.

So, your mom...
Mm-hmm.

...does she have
an addiction to the prison?

It's more like, just like
a really obsessive thing.

Like, but I think it's just

because I think she really
likes being around it.

It's not like
a she-has-to-be-there

kind of thing.
Right.

But is she there a lot?
Yeah.

She is. Okay.
Mm-hmm.

Do you sometimes wish

that she would spend more time
with you...
Mm-hmm.

...instead of being there
so much?

Yeah.

Um, did you ever notice

that when your mom
would come home

from working there
at the prison

that she would act
differently?

Or she would...
Yes.

Yes?
Yes.

She would be really quiet.

She wouldn't, like --
She would sit --

Like, we have this little part
in the kitchen

way to the back, where
she would just sit in the chair

and just, like, just keep to
herself for a really long time.

Really?
Yeah.

And would she act like that

before she started working
at the prison?

Not really.

She would hang out with us
a lot more

before she went
to the prison.

Do you remember
some things happening

in your home...
Yeah.

...that were paranormal?

Yeah.
I moved there when I was 8.

And, it was, like,
a month or two

when I first moved in,

and it was -- it was really
early in the morning.

And I was still asleep.
But I was woken up

because I heard these footsteps
in the basement.

And they kept going back
and forth and back and forth.

And then
they got really fast.

And then
they started fading out.

And then I heard someone --

Like, it sounded like a hammer
was beating on something.

It started slower.

Then, it got faster,
just like the steps did.

[ Hammering ]

And then they faded out.
Mm-hmm.

And then, um, another one
I really remember was I was --

It was a few years
after that one.

And I was walking to my room
to go to bed.

And in the corner,

because my parents' room
was right here,

and mine was right here,
and in the corner right here,

there was, um, this,
like, shadow person

just facing the corner.

You could see the shadow person
with your own eyes?

Yeah, yeah.

And where was it at?

It was just, like,
right in the corner.

There was my mom's room
right here

and then my room
right here.

Was your mom, at this time,
giving tours at the prison?

Yes.
She was?

Do you think that this spirit

followed your mom home
from the prison?

Maybe.
I don't know

because I never have seen it
before or anything.

But it didn't make me feel,
like, unsafe or anything.

Do you think that your dad
was being affected

by spirits
that your mom...

Yes.
Yes?

Before, there had been,
like, tiny, little things

that would happen
but nothing really big.

But when my mom
started working there,

more and more things
would happen.

So he thinks that my mom
brought stuff home with her.

And it just caused
a bunch of chaos.

Yeah. Yeah.

It's what they like to do
sometimes.

Has your personality
changed?

Have you changed since
working at that prison?

I don't think so.

Dave, has it?

Her personality, as far as that
part of her life, has changed

because she protects it
at all costs, no matter what.

And it's just --
it's basically off limits.

You know, either you're all in,
or you're not part of it.

And this is what ruined
the marriage pretty much,

a big part?

It didn't help.
It didn't help.

Did you ever get affected
by spirits

that she brought home
from the penitentiary?

I don't know if they were
the ones that she brought home.

But the house that
we just moved out of,

it had disturbances also.

And it seemed like it would
come together almost, you know?

And it -- it really made me

have a really, really bad
attitude,

as far as temper and...

Really?
Yes.

How did you feel
that -- that your wife

is having these type
of terrifying experiences,

actually being grabbed
and touched

by possibly a very aggressive
or possibly evil spirit

of an inmate
at these prisons?

And I know that prisons
are insanely haunted

from all the energy

and, you know, a lot people
are killed, suicides.

I mean, it's like
a material Hell...

...that still preserves
the spiritual, you know, side

of -- of these spirits
that can't go anywhere

that I feel
are trapped there,

that are clinging on
to people like her.

I mean,
she's also a female.

What is it like
seeing your wife

work at a place like this
and even vocally saying

that she's having
these experiences?

It -- it scares me.
It really does.

I'm -- I'm afraid how far
it will go or it could go.

To possibly ruining
a marriage.

Or physically hurting her
even.

And you think that,

learning the lingo
and stuff like that,

that...

Do you believe that
you can control them

like a --
like a correctional officer?

No, because there's --

We don't -- we don't know
their rules.

ZAK: I've been talking
to the Scott family

about an intense addiction
Maggie has

to the Missouri State
Penitentiary,

an attachment so extreme that
it is tearing apart the family.

Do you believe that possibly
spirits like that,

that are touching her,
are following her --

following her home,
then releasing from her

and affecting you,
using your body --

using your body
to get at her?

I think they kind of
add fuel to the fire.

I do, yes.

Mm-hmm.

Um, that scared her so bad,

I kind of thought for a while
she might quit.

But after a week or so,
it just kind of seemed like

it made it -- made her want
to be there more even.

And after that happened,

I walked right back
into that housing unit.

And I said, "Here I am.
You didn't run me off."

Mm-hmm.

So, you're also
taunting 'em?

Well, I just wanted them
to know

that they didn't win
that one.

So, you're vocally
taunting them?

Maybe a little bit.

You think that's
a smart thing to do?

Do you think you, a woman
working at a place like that,

taunting and teasing
the spirits...

I used to go in to all
the housing units, um,

before we would take
the group in.

And this was all the time,
and say, "Hey, guys.

"How's everybody doing?

We're gonna bring
a group in."

You know,
"We won't be here long."

Blah, blah, blah.

And then, when we would leave,
I would say, "Good night."

You know,
"See you tomorrow."

So, you would be nice?
Yeah.

And I don't -- I don't do
any of it anymore.

Why don't you
show them respect anymore?

'Cause I kind of think that
it was, like, opening me up.

And since I've stopped
talking to 'em,

um, it's been
a little better.

Okay.

I guess
I've learned the lingo,

you know,
the -- the prison lingo.

But these aren't
material inmates.

Well...

You're not a guard.

No. I'm not.

And you think that,

learning the lingo
and stuff like that,

that...

Do you believe
that you can control them

like a --
like a correctional officer?

No, because there's --

We don't --
we don't know their rules.

Exactly.

We don't know how
they play the game.

Do you think that
this could put you

into further jeopardy

and these type experiences
will magnify?

When's enough enough for you
to stop going there?

I mean, obviously,

this played a role
in losing your husband.

This played a role in being
terrified, being grabbed.

I've seen too many people
lose their lives,

lose their family,
lose their mind

being overexposed
to locations like this.

I just talked
to some friends of mine

who are women working
at the Ohio State Reformatory.

They were the sweetest people
in the world,

like rays of sunshine.

She's completely different.

How long did you stay
at Ohio State Reformatory

after we left?

Like a year and a half.
A year and a half?

Um...I think so.

The negative energy
in the building

kind of became palpable.

Tina left as well.

Um, Mike stopped
coming down.

I think all the negativity,
we were just feeling like

we were becoming people
we didn't want to be.

Same exact thing.
All of them.

All of them, who were
a very nice, close-knit group.

All of 'em separated.

All of 'em started fighting,

getting mean
to each other.

Well...

We all know
how real this is.

But, you know,
is this addiction,

which is like a family member
addicted to drugs,

a family member addicted
to alcohol, you know?

That sounds like
all the tour guides.

They were all close,
all friends, all hung out,

all lobbied
to get the place open.

And after a couple years,

they're at each other's throats
even now.

Overexposure.

I always call myself,
like, a doctor

because I listen
to all the patients.

I listen
to their symptoms.

And as a general,
you know, um, grouping,

I connect
all their stories together.

And I look at the situation,
and I see patterns.

And that's how
I give my diagnosis.

So, um,
I wish you guys the best.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Okay, thank you.

Thank you.
Thank you.

ZAK: These emotional interviews
prove the extreme impact

demons can have
in people's lives...

...pushing Nikko out of a place
she loves...

And I feel like, slowly,
I'm -- I'm bleed to death.

...and splitting up families.

I think she's gonna stay with
the prison no matter what,

whether I'm around or not.

ZAK: I hope everyone

pays attention
to the warning signs...

The demon part
has to kill to survive,

and the ghost has to,
you know,

attach to people
to survive.

It's a very dangerous
combination.

It does kill.

...and listens
to their own sensitivities

when dealing with the dangers
of such powerful dark energies.