Ghost Adventures: Aftershocks (2014–…): Season 2, Episode 4 - Exorcist House and Ohio State Reformatory - full transcript

Aah! Help me!

Can you hear me?
He won't let me!

ZAK: The last several years,
we have explored many locations.

We have met
hundreds of people...

MAN: Dude, what you do
is so valuable.

...many who have been deeply
affected by our investigations.

You just watch the flesh go off
of him as he's being drug

and listening to him cry
in pain.

ZAK: Are these dark spirits
still plaguing these places...

MAN: Oh, no!

...and harming these people?



In that moment,
I felt pure evil.

It's time to find out.

This is "Ghost Adventures:
Aftershocks."

-- Captions by VITAC --

Closed Captions provided by
Scripps Networks, LLC.

This is one of
the most difficult interviews

I've ever had to do.

I intended to talk
to former inmate D.J. Fly,

once again to ask about
his deep connection to Lockhart.

But tragic
and unexplained events

have prevented the interview
from taking place.

Instead, we'll speak
with George Rackham,

D.J.'s friend and former inmate

who I hope can shed some light



on these
disturbing circumstances.

When we filmed
"Ghost Adventures"

and my other show,
"Paranormal Challenge,"

we had an individual help us,

give us some information
about Ohio State Reformatory.

And this person
was very interesting,

a very cool dude.

[ Chuckles ]

And this is none other
than Mr. D.J. Fly.

Can we take you
through here

and you tell us
some of these stories?

Let me take you
through here.

And he was supposed to be
sitting here...

Exactly.

...today, talking to me.

But from what I hear,

on his way to the airport,
he suffered a stroke.

Yes.

It was either a stroke
or a heart attack.

They don't know yet.
They don't know yet, no.

And have you been talking
to his daughter?

Yeah, I got a call
from D.J.'s niece

on the way to the airport.

He was supposed to meet me
at the airport.

And she said that something
is wrong with him,

that there's
something strange.

She couldn't figure out
what it was.

They called an ambulance,

and the ambulance
was on the way.

And then,
while she was on the phone,

she's like,
"He's in the ambulance.

And he's...gone crazy."

She said, "Like, he's, you know,
they're taking him away

and he's screaming,
'Lockhart, Lockhart!'"

And she said that he was
basically in an induced coma,

that they can't explain
what happened.

They said
that he couldn't breathe

and he was clinically dead
for a minute.

They said, but they had to
cut his throat open

and put a tube
in his throat

so he could regain consciousness
and breathe again.

At first, they just thought

it was like
maybe he was in a shock

or, you know, he goes
through these things

when he starts talking
about Lockhart,

that he just gets so built up
with emotions, anger, fear.

'Cause he believes
that Lockhart is around him.

Yeah, his spirit, yes.

His spirit.

All the time.

And D.J. Fly let us know that
when we met him.

Let's watch.

I witnessed two suicides.

The first one is the inmate
squirted himself

with paint thinner,

set himself on fire.

ZAK:
What was his name?

FLY: Lockhart.

He was in cell 13.
I was in 14.

And the smoke
was coming around there.

And it was hot.
You could feel the heat.

I was holding the sink,

and I'm flooding the cell
to keep myself wet.

And I ain't forgave him
for that [bleep] yet.

By the time we got up
and got the door open,

got him out,

it was too late.

He was dead.

They drug him up the range,

and his skin
was all up the range.

Right where you guys standing at
was the biggest chunks.

Chunks.

Well, he was, you know, yeah.

It was chunks.
Well, he was burning.

He was still on fire.

Yeah.
Just burned himself to death.

Can you imagine that agony,
that energy?

Yeah.

To do that to yourself...

Yeah.

...you have to be
in a very dark state of mind.

Uh, Lockhart, I believe,
was 22 years old.

Doused his clothes
and everything in his cell

with lighter fluid.

Mm-hmm.

Lit the match
and killed himself.

Exactly.

D.J. Fly was in the cell
right next door.

Yes.

D.J. Fly almost died.

Yes, sir.

ZAK: D.J. Fly nearly died
because of James Lockhart,

and now he shouts the man's name

in the midst
of a nearly fatal stroke

while on his way
to do this interview with me.

We cannot ignore
such a terrifying connection.

During our last visit,
we also spoke with Susan Nirode,

a former employee

who understands the ways
that time spent at OSR

can impact someone
like it did Lockhart.

James Lockhart
was sent to OSR in 1955.

He was 22 years old
when he passed away.

And at the time
of his death,

the warden even stated

that he had shown no signs
of any suicidal tendencies.

But for some reason,
that day,

he decided to set himself
on fire.

And there's a lot of things
about that prison.

It brought out two things
in you.

It brought out
the killer mentality in you,

or it could have went
on Lockhart's side.

It brought you "get out of there
as fast, as easy as you can."

You know, of course, the fire's
coming through the bars.

They can't get in to him.

And he backed up into
the furthest corner of the cell

and wouldn't let them
get him out.

And you would hear,

like, a moaning sound as like
Lockhart getting drug out,

the skin coming off
as he's being drug.

Mm.

That had to have been grisly.

Have you met D.J. Fly?

Yes.

You know he was
supposed to be here today.
Yeah.

And on the way,

he suffered either a stroke
or a heart attack.

Yes.

And...
we're getting details

that his niece said that D.J.
was screaming Lockhart's name.

Oh, wow.

I believe the spirit
has gotten to him

because he's so aggressive
about this spirit.

Is he an aggressive person

or is it only
when he mentioned Lockhart?

It's only when you mention
Lockhart's name.

Really?
The aggressive part.

He thinks he's still out there
trying to get him right now.

So, it's --

I mean, it's a sad situation
where you still got a memory

from you from when
you was a kid,

watching a guy pour
lighter fluid on hisself,

lighting hisself on fire,

smelling the flesh
burning off of him.

A half an hour to an hour

waiting for a guard to get there
to open that door.

Of course everybody's
screaming for him

to open that door
and let that kid out of there.

And to see a guard,
when the guy's on fire,

not to try to get him out
of the fire,

not to try to get him back to --
to get him some help,

to grab him by his neck

or grab him
by his shoulders

or grab him by his shirt
that may be not burned

or a jacket or whatever
he had on him that ain't burnt

and to drag him
across this concrete floor

and just smell and watch
the flesh go off of him

as he's being drug

and listening to him cry
in pain

and suffering and sorrow

at the whole same time

is mind-boggling.

Yeah.

Oh.
Well, uh...

AARON: Whoa.

You all right, Aaron?

Yeah.
[ Chuckles ]

ZAK: The negative influence
at the Ohio State Reformatory

is so extreme

that it's actually driving
employees away, even now.

How long did you stay at Ohio
State Reformatory after we left?

Like a year and a half.

A year and a half.

Things...

the negative energy
in the building

kind of became palpable.

Tina left, as well.

Mike stopped coming down.

I think all the negativity,

we were just feeling like
we were becoming

people we didn't want to be,
you know?

We even noticed it
with Sarah

who was always pretty much
happy-go-lucky.

We used her
on the episode.

Right.

She no longer goes out
to the prison.

What happened with her?

You know, I think she started
kind of feeling

the same way
Tina and I were.

It was draining.

Starting to feel

almost a,
like, depressed...

Just, um...

Just negative.

Like,
just biting at everything.

At the Ohio State
Reformatory,

it was such a rough prison
to be at.

Can you tell us about it?

Yeah,
I can tell you about it.

I went to Mansfield
when I was 18 years old.

The first day I got there,

I weighed 150 pounds,

guard about 270.

First thing he tells me,
he said,

"Son,
you better work out fast

'cause it's gonna be real rough
for you in here."

The next day, I get jumped

by three guys trying to steal
the shoes that I had on my feet.

And that's how it was
back in them days.

Six people got killed
the first week I was there.

Geez.

I've seen a guy drop
five ranges high.

He was on the welding crew.

Off a friend I know,

he got into it with a guy
like a week before that.

And the guy
seen him up there

and went,
grabbed the bottom of the ladder

and pulled the ladder out,

and he fell headfirst
on the concrete slab.

It was, you know, fight.

Only the strong survive.

I've seen guys get their head
caught in the door.

Smashed their head
completely,

the guts, the brains
laying on the ground.

[ Door slams ]

I mean, it was --

Did this traumatize you
in your life?

Oh, yes.

It has.

I mean, it brings back memories
all the time.

Did you ever think
about killing yourself

while you were in there?

No, I never did.

[ Match lights ]

I still can't understand
to this day

why you are you putting
18-year-olds,

19-, 20-, 22-year-old kids

with these guys in there
that has nothing to lose.

Mansfield is 85% to 90%
of the people that's in there

is doing life.

And they go at these kids,
and they can't handle it.

I don't know if that's
what Lockhart did,

but some can't handle
the pressure.

Some are not warriors in there.
They can't handle that.

'Cause these lifers don't care,
right?
Right.

And you got guys nowadays
in there

doing three life terms,

doing 888 years,

cell them with a guy that just
come in there off the streets,

19 years old
or 18 years old.

Drug charge or something.

Drug charge,
doing six months.

Yeah.

He's trying to get home
in six months,

and the other guy...

And I don't know
how much time Lockhart had

or what was
his circumstances,

but a lot of these kids,
I've seen them do it.

I've seen them hang
theirselves.

I've heard them.
I've listened.

I've been in cells
next to them

where I listened to them
hang theirself.

I listened to them
choke to death.

Do those sounds haunt you
today?

They still do.

I wake up in the middle
of the night with nightmares,

screaming myself
from the same situations.

Do you feel that the time you
spent at Ohio State Reformatory,

do you ever feel that something
attached itself to you

from there?

Oh, absolutely.

In terms of a spirit or just
more like traumatic stress?

It's both. It's a spirit.
It's traumatic stress.

I mean, even the time
that I was in Mansfield,

I mean,
you would hear sounds.

Like, you know, back in
the cells and the chaseways.

And you'd hear
like a kid crying, screaming.

You would experience
paranormal things

while you were
incarcerated there.

Yes.

Do you feel
that this place was pure evil?

It was pure evil for everybody
that went through there.

[ Chuckles ]

I see it every night
in my dreams.

I saw it every night
for a year.

I dreamed of it
every night.

It was
a very haunted prison.

But I think that
from what you're telling me,

that it has affected
a lot of people...

I think it has.

...in a negative way.

It was horrific, horrific
living conditions there.

Yes. Right.

So, I can imagine

if you have something like that
for the living,

that it affects them
that way,

imagine how it might affect
trapped souls who are there.

There's a photo.

Yes.

I don't know
if you've seen this or not.

Have you seen this photo?
No.

Can you do the zoom?
Wow.

Wow.

Now,
this photo was sent to us

with two investigators
walking

and this blue figure
between them.

And it looks like
you can even make out,

like, bluish pants.

Right.

And a grayish shirt.

Right.

If you get real close,

you stand a certain way,

you can almost make a face out.

We talk about those spirits
that are trapped there,

that killed themselves

to escape the pain
of where they were

and the conditions.

And you wonder if that's
one of those spirits.

You wonder
if that's Lockhart.

I hope Lockhart,
if he is attached to D.J. Fly --

you know, I don't know how
there is a way to free him.

ZAK: George Rackham
has been telling us

about his friendship with
another former inmate, D.J. Fly,

who couldn't be with us today

because he suffered a sudden
life-threatening stroke

on his way to this interview,

which may have been related
to James Lockhart.

What I hear now

is that during our episode
of "Ghost Adventures,"

that's really
the first time

the Lockhart story
really got out publicly,

really addressed Lockhart.

Investigators go there all
the time calling Lockhart out.

I guess a lot of things
are happening to them

because of this.
Exactly.

He was still, to this day,

one of the most,
I guess, open people

about a spirit attachment,
of Lockhart.

Yes.

And this wasn't a guy
that just talked to you about it

just in
a very monotone voice,

just, "Oh, yeah.
I think I have an attachment."

Right.

I mean, "Damn it,
this is Lockhart."

And there was a time
where D.J. Fly freaked out

when we went
into Lockhart's cell

where Lockhart
killed himself.

Mm-hmm.

FLY: Lockhart,
I know you in here.

And this is the first time
I came in here since then.

You can't get out.
You ain't going nowhere.

You left it.

I wish
I could find you peace.

I've thought about you
for years, bud.

I saw you.

You almost took me with you.

Oh, get off me, boy.
Get off me.

Get off me!

ZAK:
It's all right, man.

Hey, I done what I can
to free your ass.

Do you think that he's here,
D.J.?

Yeah, there's no doubt
he's here.

He'll be here.
He can't get out of here.

He chose the wrong way
to go.

ZAK: Do you think that
when we're locked in here,

should we go in his cell and
try and make contact with him,

try and get voices
on digital recorder?

[ Sighs ]

You can just feel
the intensity

of his belief
about Lockhart,

his spirit
still haunting D.J. Fly.

ZAK: As soon as D.J. is released
from the hospital,

I send a camera crew
to interview him at his home,

to ask about his most
recent terrifying day

when Lockhart made contact
once again.

He's been making contact
with me.

I mean, I'm serious, guy.

I can sit here
and the next thing I know,

I feel a pressure beside me.

After the fire
and everything...

Lockhart became more and more
prominent in my life.

I don't know if it's haunting or
trying to tell me to get ready.

I don't know
what I'm getting ready for.

And I remember being up there.

I said, "No, he can't get out.

"He's in here for life 'cause
he did the unforgivable --

suicide."

Well, I don't believe that
no more.

Since...

I actually feel
that he's with me sometimes.

From the time that I felt him
enter my body up there...

Oh, get off me, boy.
Get off me.

Get off!
...at that point,

I thought I was being attacked
when I went in the cell.

And there and everything jumped
up on my skin like that there.

It's hard to explain
something you can't explain.

I've never felt a menacing
or thing like that towards me.

Probably 'cause I'm gonna go
to hell and he's waiting on me.

ZAK: D.J. insists on the chance
for one last visit

to say goodbye to these prison
walls he once called home

and to rid himself
of the spirit of a man

who may have almost
cost him his life

more than once.

These are not the same windows,
either.

[ Chuckles ]

The bars are missing.

Hey, Lockhart!

You know who it is.

I'm coming.

We gonna have to deal.

I don't like
the hand I'm playing.

I don't like
you being around me.

So, we gonna do something here.
We gonna do it today.

I told you I'd be back
into your crib, dude.

We ain't gonna play this game
now.

We coming in.

We going to do
what we got to do.

You can [bleep] around.
Act like you gonna....

But I'm gonna do something.

It's been pretty rough, man.

You came back in my life.

I don't need you.
I don't want you.

And you gonna haunt
somewhere else.

You ain't got nothing for me.

I'm gonna get you out of
my system one way or the other.

If I could do anything
to get you peace of your mind,

if you got peace of mind,
I don't know.

But if there is,
I would do it in a heartbeat.

Whatever that's worth,
I have no idea.

ZAK: This has already been

one of the most
emotionally draining interviews

we have ever conducted.

But the eerie synchronicities
and the lives placed in danger

do not end here.

In 2013, we investigated
the infamous Exorcist House

which is known
for its demonic nature.

But perhaps this negative
influence has moved

beyond the walls of the house

and into the lives of the people
who investigate there,

people like Greg Myers.

Like D.J. Fly,

Greg is experiencing
troubling physical abnormalities

after spending time

in a location known to be
haunted by aggressive forces.

Well,
since you guys last saw me,

I hate to say it,

but I ended up a victim
of a hemorrhagic stroke

at the end of January.

When we interviewed you,

you told us you had some
dark experiences in the home.

I'm a little bit nervous
coming back in here.

When I first came here,

I thought for sure this place
wouldn't have any activity.

It should be
the most blessed house

in the St. Louis area.

So I came in with the mind-set
nothing was gonna happen.

And, Greg?

Yeah?

Something did happen.
Yes.

Upstairs?

Mm-hmm.
In the boy's room.

Why don't you take us
up there?
MYERS: Okay.

ZAK:
It is emotionally overwhelming

for all of us to step
inside the room

where the actual exorcism
took place.

ZAK: [ Sighs ]

You wanted to know
what happened to me, Zak?

It was right there
on the wall.

Tell me when you first started
feeling uncomfortable.

I started feeling like a heat,
like the side of my face.

Kind of heat radiating from
something up to my forehead.

Did you feel angry or irritable
or any changes in your mood?

I actually felt fear.

You did?

Yeah.

That's one of
the few times ever.

I became
very disorientated.

And then that's when
one investigator

who was also a nurse

noticed a bunch of white
blisters also on that side.

Your skin blistered up.

On my neck
was a white cross.

A white cross was
in the blisters.

Right.

How you doing, man?

That's a little overwhelming
seeing that.

I actually got goosebumps
and that feeling in my stomach.

Well,
since you guys last saw me,

I hate to say it,

but I ended up a victim
of a hemorrhagic stroke

at the end of January.

And that was on the same side,
I believe, in my brain

where the intense heat
that clip was showing,

you know,
off of me and stuff.

I was taking a shower.

And then I felt
an instant migraine,

like they call them
thunder headaches, I think.

And I felt that
in the left side of my head.

I didn't think nothing of it,
went to bed.

Woke up the next morning

and then realized I couldn't log
into my computer,

couldn't do things
on the cellphone.

I couldn't recognize letters
or numbers or anything.

It gave me
instant dyslexia.

Mm-hmm.

Now I'm starting to put together
words and that slowly.

And they say
I'll improve up

to a year's time
after the stroke.

Mm-hmm.

And that would be
my new normal.

Right.

And I know that's ironic

'cause I've heard stuff
in the past

with demons having an inability
to read and write at times.

Mm-hmm.

So I was kind of wondering

if that was touched
by something else.

Do you think that your stroke
was influenced

by a spirit or a demon

or possibly, you know,
something

that grew from the,

what I would call, an attack
at the Exorcist House?

Yeah.

I hate blaming something on it,
but I --

Exactly.

But I actually think so,

especially with the evidence
you guys caught.

Mm-hmm.

When you asked, you know,
I think my name or something

and then the SB7, you know,
came back, says...

Did you just hear,
"Please help"?
Yeah.

We're getting into
a whole different realm,

a deep, deeper realm

of do these spirits,
do these demons,

do they have the ability

to give you a stroke
or give you a heart attack?

And do you think
us talking about you

and getting such clear,
direct responses

only when we were talking
about you --

This Spirit Box was not just
spitting out random words

for the entire time it was on,
you know,

which is called pareidolia,

just random radio feedback
popping in and out.

That thing was running
for a long time before.

But once we mentioned
your name,

the voices started coming.

I just want to show
a piece of this.

Can you tell me
the name of the man

that you attacked
in this room?

[ Oscillating static ]

Did you just hear,
"Please help"?

It's the first voice
we heard.

[ Oscillating static ]

What happened here
in 1949?

[ Oscillating static ]

Oh [bleep]

Oh, did you hear that?

What happened here in 1949?

[ Oscillating static ]

Ouija board.
Trouble.

Pause it, Billy.

I want to talk about
this moment right here.

And I have not talked about it
before.

ZAK:
After talking to George

about D.J. Fly's stroke
just earlier today...

He's screaming,
"Lockhart, Lockhart!"

...and listening
to Greg's account

of his own recent brush
with mortality,

I can't help but wonder
about the warning signs

we have received
through investigations...

...and what these warnings mean
to us as investigators

going forward.

I want to talk about this moment
right here.

And I have not talked about it
before.

That moment...

Again, I want to say
that those voices

did not begin
coming through

until I asked about the man
who was attacked in the room,

who was you.

Okay?

I want to try and really try to
connect pieces here, okay,

and try to theorize.

Once that happened,

the voice came through and said,
"He needs help."

But the trouble is,
is "help."

You know,
it's a general warning.

It could be "Don't cross
the street at a certain time.

Don't be in a store that's gonna
get robbed at a certain time."

You just never know.

Do you think
this is something

that you wish that we wouldn't
have done, Greg?

It's hard to say
as an investigator myself.

You can be honest.

We have to push
to find answers.

Right.

Do you think
us asking those questions --

And at the very end
of the episode,

we called you back

because we started making
the connection.

We were wondering if all those
voices were referring to you

because you're the only person
that's still alive today

that I know of
that we can find

that had such a negative
experience in that home

that was documented
on camera.

And to see you connected
like that,

I want to know if --

Was it a bad thing
for us to involve your name?

I, too,
on this end over here

don't want to put blame
on any medical conditions.

But my job as an interviewer,
as an investigator

is to document
what I receive

from people
that I'm talking to.

Right.

And what I've documented

is countless people having
health problems

and even strokes.

Your paranormal group
has investigated the house.

How many different times?

I want to say two to three
before the last production.

Okay.

And how are the other members
of your group?

Has anything happened
to them?

Well,
the last production group,

our people --

bizarre things
have happened to them, too.

I can't go into too much detail
because of my mind.

I know. It's okay.
Just take it --

I know the list goes on,
but my mind doesn't recall.

I got bits of mem--
You know, forgetting memory.

There's somebody else here today
that you brought.

And her name is Sandy.

Sandy, yes.
Okay.

I believe Sandy
is going to be telling me

some other
very chilling information

about other people she knows
that went in the house

and had negative things
happen to them.

Sandy Oates
is another investigator

who has witnessed first-hand

the dark influences
at the Exorcist House

and their violent assault
on the physical well-being

of the living
who attempt to make contact.

So, were you part of
the very first investigation

of the Exorcist House
with Greg?

Yes, I was.

You were?

I was actually
in the room

when he had the burn
on his neck.
Okay.

90% of the group that did
the original investigation

has had some bad things
happen to them.

I would say the worst thing
that happened

was a year ago
this past February,

we lost one of
our long-term team members.

He was a photographer
with our group

for quite a few years.

He had a massive stroke
and passed away.

And, you know,
when that happened,

we were all thinking

because of the things
that happened before that.

Looking back
and remembering

who was at the initial
investigation,

like,
one of the producers

of the documentary
that was being filmed there,

a few months
after filming there,

he experienced
pretty serious,

like, gastric,
intestinal issues.

One of the other producers,

again, had a massive stroke
and was hospitalized.

Two strokes?

Two strokes.
Two strokes.

From one of the investigators
and one of the production staff

that was doing
the whole documentary...

Right.

...during
that investigation.

Right.

So, two strokes and
the gastrointestinal problems.

Yeah.

It makes you wonder, you know.
It's more than just a --

It makes you wonder.
Exactly.
Yeah.

We can't --
And we want to be very clear.

Everyone watching this
right now,

we want to be
very, very clear.

We are not
making statements

that this house
or the energy of this house

or demons or spirits

caused all of these unfortunate
health problems and even death

in members
of your paranormal group.

However, such unfortunate things
happened to your group

after the investigation.

That same investigation,

one of the members
of the group,

you witnesses this bizarre event
happen to him.

Can you tell me about when
you witnessed this with Greg?

What was going on
with him?

Well, he was --

Actually, I was using

Bill Chapel's,
you know, Paranormal Puck,

probably like one of the initial
ones that he came up with.

And Greg was standing
in front of me.

And he was doing
an EVP session.

And as he was doing that,

he just kept filming hotter
and hotter and hotter.

Intense heat radiating from
something up to my forehead.

Same time, the puck was saying
things in sentence form

as far as...

It was almost done
as far as a sentence.

And the burn --

Wait a minute. What?
I never heard this before.

Yeah. It was
"paranormal investigator die."

You were using
the Paranormal Puck...

Mm-hmm.

...when Greg started
experiencing this heat

and the blistering
on his neck?

Yeah.

And it was saying what?

It said,
"paranormal investigator die."

And before that,
it said something about burn.

That was all prior to him
feeling the heat.

You know, for all the skeptics
watching this,

we try our hardest
as investigators

to get as much scientific data
as we can.

And I believe that
when spirits manifest,

attack us,

elements in the environment
can change

like barometric pressure,

humidity,
stuff like that.

So we brought a skeptic,
Bill Chapel,

who's an inventor
and an engineer.

And he set up
a bunch of sensors

to measure
the various environmental data.

And while, Aaron,
you went in this room

and you
started provoking --

Which is not smart.
Right.

The environmental data inside
the room started to change.

The time that you were in
before you started provoking,

everything was nominal.

Right.

CHAPEL: Our readings are nominal
right now.

Minor fluctuation
in temperature,

barometric pressure,
relative humidity.

And then
when I started taunting,

it got, like, more intense.
Right.

So, it was like,
it was weird.

We were unable to debunk
anything at all explainable

to support why
these environmental readings

would change.

But let's watch, Aaron,
when you started provoking.

You need to quit hiding
and quit being scared of us.

You need to come out
and show yourself, all right?

Quit being a pansy.
Quit being...

CHAPEL: Keep going.

I think you're a joke.

ZAK: It is at this time
Bill begins to receive

some abnormal readings
in the environment.

So, we ask ourselves,
"Was there a doorway,

"a portal opening up
in that moment

"for something dark to come
through to attack Aaron?

"Was there a spirit trying to
gather energy in the environment

"to attack you
or manifest itself to you?

"And was
this manifestation process

"documented by
the environmental sensor

giving a skeptical engineer
that kind of data?"

Aaron, did you ever have
any issues after that,

after you started provoking?

Oh, big time.

That was, like,
one of my biggest regrets.

ZAK: During our investigation
of the Exorcist House in 2013,

Aaron put himself in danger

by provoking
the volatile spirits

that occupy this famous home.

You need to quit hiding
and quit being scared of us.

Aaron, did you ever have
any issues after that,

after you started provoking?

AARON: Oh, big time.

That was, like,
one of my biggest regrets

was taunting
that Ouija board.

It was probably a bad, like,
two months, just depression.

Really?
Afterwards?

Oh, yeah.

Dark depression
and the house went crazy.

Your house?

Yeah.
But you could just --

But after that moment,
right?

After that moment,
I just sensed when I went home

that I shouldn't
have done that.

That was the wrong thing
to do.

'Cause you know me
with Ouija boards, bro.

I don't touch them.

Yeah,
Aaron will do anything.

Aaron will go anywhere,
face any demons.

But the one thing
that he does not mess with,

I know, ever since I met him,
ever since filming in 2004 --

And the problem is,
if you taunt it long enough,

that Ouija board
and whatever's attached to it

is gonna get mad
and come out at you.

And going back
to that case,

that's what is blamed
for starting that case,

that possession of 1949,
use of the Ouija board.

What happened here in 1949?

[ Oscillating static ]

Oh [bleep]

You have a Ouija board.

Correct.

You gave us the Ouija board
that the Spirit Box was on.

Do you feel when you went
into that house,

you found trouble?

Oh, yes.

And after the trouble,

do you think
that you needed help?

At the time, you don't think
you need help yourself.

You know,
that's the strange thing.

After this happened,
yes, I --

You know,
you always overlook yourself.

It's hard to explain.

Then right around before
or after we got these voices

that said,
"a Ouija board, trouble"...

Oh [bleep]

I didn't make a big deal
out of it

in terms of me stopping

and, you know,
dropping a narration there

and explaining it deeper.

But in that moment,

I remember looking up
at Nick.

And...

I felt pure evil...

inside of me.

It didn't last long.

And when I looked at Nick,
he knew.

NICK: Seriously.

I'm getting chills
talking about it right now.

And there's
a quick moment.

And I think
I grinned at him.

And I don't know.

I never really forgot
that moment.

I've never really made
big mention of it.

But I feel like
I have to now.

It was like
something got into me

that was stating itself
as devil or diablo...

...and made a quick, "I'm gonna
let you know what I am.

I'm gonna let you know."

And then you wonder

if that's something that might
maybe sticks with you.

I'll tell you.

I mean, from doing this,

from doing this show
and doing these investigations,

I've seen
how much I've changed.

Locations like this where people
like yourself and your group

have experienced
some very nasty things

that could possibly
be attributed to exposure.

Right.

You know?

And there's certain times

where we just don't know

how to cleanse ourselves
properly.

But it is what it is.

We always say sometimes that
"All right, this is it."

There was a time
where I stopped provoking a lot.

I think it was like
almost a whole season.

Right, Aaron?
AARON: I think so, yeah.

It was like 15, 20
investigations episodes

where I just was like,
"I have to take a break."

But then, we start
wanting it more, you know?

There's only one way
we know how to investigate,

and that's to call whatever
they think is here face-to-face.

I think you're a joke.

I worry about you guys,
as well.

'Cause it seems like

that place reaches out
and does touch.

I do, too,

'cause, you know, strange things
have been happening

with a lot of the guys.

We haven't come out and said
what's going on

because we're
full-force passionate

about what we're doing.

And what people
don't understand

is that they see this
on television,

and television shows,

reality television shows
have a stereotype.

And the stereotype is that
they're all staged,

they're all directed,

and they're all scripted.

What's unique
about our show

is that we do everything
in the moment

and we are in charge
when we are there.

Nobody's telling us
what to do.

And we have
a very unique production,

a very unique show
because of that.
Right.

We show up,

and we have a list of people
that we're gonna interview,

and that's it.

We take it from there
as real passionate investigators

because we did this before
this TV show.

We weren't casted to play
the role as an investigator.

And during
our investigations,

we're there to seek answers
for ourselves, you know?

We're not there
to just find evidence

or make a spooky show.

I'm there to find answers
for myself, you know?

This material life
is so short.

It's so sensitive.

It's so delicate.

And so,
this is what we do.

ZAK:
As investigators,

we have responsibility

to search for answers
and shocking evidence.

Wow.

ZAK:
But sometimes,

we come so close
to making those connections

that we might come away changed.

Oh, get off me, boy.
Get off me.

You ain't got nothing for me.

I'm gonna get you out of
my system one way or the other.

ZAK: And the consequences
can be shocking.

It gave me
instant dyslexia.

But we are on a quest
of spiritual significance.

And we can't let our fears
and doubts in the physical world

stand in the way

of finding
the ultimate answers.