Ghost Adventures: Aftershocks (2014–…): Season 1, Episode 6 - Lizzie Borden and Black Swan Inn - full transcript

MAN: Glenn, help me!
It won't let me!

ZAK: The last several years,
we have explored many locations.

We have met
hundreds of people...

MAN: The work you do
is so valuable.

...many who have been deeply
affected by our investigations.

Do you think your son is
possessed?

Are these dark spirits
still plaguing these places...

No!

...and harming these people?

You were sexually assaulted
by a spirit in that house?

It's hard for me to talk about.



It's time to find out.

GHOST ADVENTURES - AFTERSHOCKS - SEASON 1
EP 6 -Lizzie Borden and Black Swan Inn

Lizzie Borden.

The name is synonymous

with one of the most
heinous crimes of the 1800s

and a location that still
haunts us to this day.

In 1893, Lizzie Borden was tried
for the gruesome double murder

of her father and stepmother...
Both found dead in their home,

victims of multiple
hatchet wounds to the skull.

[ Camera shutter clicks ]

Historically, Lizzie Borden
has been erroneously connected

to her father's death,

even after she was exonerated
from the crime.

However, previous unpublished
letters and court documents



have recently been released,

disproving many theories
and rumors

that have been told about Lizzie
for decades.

The killer
is still unknown today.

Liz Nowicki
is the resident psychic medium

at the Borden house located
in Fall River, Massachusetts,

who we brought in during our
2011 investigation at the house.

This is one of the
most controversial interviews

I have ever conducted.

Let's see.

When we saw you,
we investigated Lizzie Borden's.

Just to catch everybody
up to speed,

this was a building
that was just home

to a very, very gruesome murder.

Yes.

[ Camera shutter clicks ]

Lizzie Borden was never...

Was never convicted
of this murder.

Acquitted,
she was acquitted, yes.

She was acquitted, right.

We brought you in
to investigate with us

because you are
the resident psychic, right?

Yes, psychic medium. Okay.

What happened was not only
disturbing for the spirit,

but it was disturbing for us,
and I'm gonna show that.

Okay.

Do you see
an evil spirit here, Liz?

NOWICKI: I just feel angry.

I don't think
Mr. Borden's happy with us.

I'm sure he isn't.

ZAK: Why do you think
Mr. Borden's not happy?

Again, I keep talking
about his secret,

and he doesn't want me talking
about why I think he was killed.

ZAK: At this point,
Liz feels she may know

why the Bordens were killed,

but as she unveils
this secret to us and out loud,

out of respect for the deceased,
who cannot defend themselves,

we feel
that the explicit material

is inappropriate
to be publicized.

NOWICKI: You want me to
tell them what I think happened?

Why I think Lizzie
wanted you dead?

ZAK: However,
it is during this moment,

as this information
is being said by Liz,

that something dark
enters the room

and has an immediate effect
on Nick and myself.

I don't know,
but I feel real nauseous.

So do I.

I feel like I'm gonna puke.

So do I. I feel like nauseous.

Mr. Borden, did you have [bleep]
relationships with Lizzie?

Liz,
I got to be honest with you,

that was disturbing
in that moment.

We did a s?ance.

This flashlight in the corner
of the room went off.

That EVP gives me chills
every time I hear it.

Did you see me? I go...

Now, you say
that you think you know why

Mr. Borden was killed.

I think he was having
a sexual relationship with her,

and I think that it was going
back and forth

where she used him sometimes
to get what she wanted,

so it was like
a brainwashing kind of thing.

Well, when you started
coming out

and telling his spirit that
at the house

during this s?ance,

we were totally unprepared
for that.

I mean,
it was totally unexpected.

You know, I was, like, "Whoa."

Mr. Borden, did you have [bleep]
relationships with Lizzie?

I'm feeling dread in here.

I'm feeling anger.

Right, I know.

I feel angry.

I think there's something
more sinister here.

You can hear the anger
in that voice

while we were doing the s?ance,
"Tell 'em about the girl!"

I feel that his spirit was...

Was getting inside of me
and Nick, and honest to God,

we wanted to do harm to you.

And that's not an easy thing
for me to say to you, Liz,

but I remember,
all of a sudden, it happened,

and I'm holding that axe,
and I started tapping it.

At that moment,
we felt it was best

that you and Eleanor
left the house

because we couldn't explain
what was going on with us.

Right. It wasn't me.

Mm-hmm.

I felt hostility out of nowhere
from that.

I can't believe
what I was thinking

when I was holding that axe.

It wasn't me, and we immediately
got you out of that.

We didn't say that
on the episode.

I'm saying that now.

I... I believe you.

ZAK: Lee-Ann Wilbur
is the owner of the Borden house

and has an intimate knowledge
of the spirits there.

Lee-Ann,
you own Lizzie Borden's.

I do.

Wen we met you,
you were telling us

about how you like to
keep the house

as it would have looked
at that time.

As close as possible.

Yes, let's watch it.

It was here in this room

that the body
of Mr. Andrew Borden

was found by his daughter,
Lizzie.

Where at?

Right about... just...

You were creeping me out here.

[ Laughs ] It's part of my job.

That is an actual copy
of the crime scene photo.

Somebody was very, very upset
with Mr. Borden.

We've tried
to re-create the house

to look exactly
they did the day of the murders.

You had a really weird look
in your eye right there.

Think I've spent too much time
alone in the house.

Usually I'm a little bit
freaked out for lockdown,

but during this interview,
I was a little creeped out.

[ Laughs ]

What are your thoughts about Liz
with these allegations,

that Mr. Borden was
sexually abusing Lizzie Borden,

and that's the reason
why Lizzie killed him,

and her being vocal about this?

Are you in agreement,

or are you conflicting
with her about making

these type of strong statements
to a dead man?

I have heard
those allegations before.

Not just from Liz,
but from other people.

But the fact is,

we cannot confirm
anything that happened,

so they're just allegations,

and since Mr. Borden's
not here himself,

how can...
We'll never know the truth.

Eleanor Thibault is a tour guide
at the Lizzie Borden house.

We talked to her
about the damaging allegations

against Mr. Borden,

as well as a vicious attack
that she's had in the house.

The last time I saw you,
you, Liz, and myself,

Aaron and Nick,
we all did a s?ance together.

Yes, we did.

And at that point,
we experienced some activity.

Flashlight going on,
some vulgar EVPs.

Do you agree with her
that she makes those accusations

against Mr. Borden
sexually having a relationship?

Oh, yes. You do?

Yes, I've been groped
in the house myself.

You were groped? Yes.

Right after you left,
I gave a tour in Lizzie's room,

and I was standing against
the wall... not leaning on it,

but just standing,
speaking to the guests,

and all of a sudden,
I felt this punch,

I thought, in my back.

Really strong,
and I turned around.

I thought maybe I walked into
the door knob or something,

but the door knob
was on the other side.

There was nothing in back of me
that would give me this jab.

Well, let me tell you, I had...

It was sore for three days,
and it was all red.

Who do you feel
that punched you?

Oh, it was him,
there's no doubt about it.

No doubt. Who?

Mr. Borden.

ZAK: Psychic medium Liz Nowicki
has alleged

that Mr. Borden
was having an inappropriate

sexual relationship with
his daughter, Lizzie Borden.

We discuss this with her now.

So, are you 100% sure that
Mr. Borden raped his daughter?

From being told
by Mrs. Borden, yes.

Okay, what about
by other evidence?

I don't have other evidence.

Okay, so you're just going
by the conversation

you had with the spirit
of Mrs. Borden? Yes, yes.

I was just repeating
what the other spirit told me,

Mrs. Borden.

I asked her why he was murdered,

and she's the one who told me.

Okay.

Do you think that psychic
interactions with the dead

are strong enough
to be as strong as evidence

held up in a court
to convict somebody of that?

Do I think that personally?

Yeah, yeah.

We can never prove that because
that happened so long ago.

Right.

But I just... honestly,
I... I don't know

if I feel that that's right

to be vocally
telling this spirit

of this man who died
horrifically with an axe

that he was raping his daughter.

What if it's not true?

I believe it's true, Zak, I do.

Do you think
there's anything wrong

with making
those type of statements

to a dead couple that had
no evidence against them

to support
that Mr. Borden was having

these sexual abuse
against his daughter?

Is it fair, you say?

Yeah.

Well, of course,
we weren't there in 1892.

Exactly.

But you know,
everything that happens today

happened in those days.

It was just hush-hush.

Right, but it wasn't proven.

But when we did the s?ance...
Many times we do the s?ance,

and Mr. and Mrs. Borden
would come through.

Mrs. Borden is the one...

I feel sorry for her
'cause she had to live with him.

She's... she's told Liz
what happened,

and every time she tells,
that table shakes, you know.

It's... I believe it.
I really do.

But there's the words "think"
and "probably."

Oh, 'cause we can't prove
any of that.

Exactly, so do you think
that it's fair

to be making statements
like this openly

to visitors and guests
and tours?

Well, I'm very cautious
what I say

because many of the visitors
that come,

they think
that that's what happened,

and I have to be careful because
if I did or say anything,

then I'll get punished
by Mr. Borden.

Mm-hmm.
Has he punished you before?

Oh, yes.

After this time
that you came with the fellas,

oh, yes,
I was punished week after week.

Every time I worked,
I was punished.

I took the guests
up to his bedroom,

and I was explaining
to the guests what we had,

and all of a sudden,
I felt this punch in my stomach,

like something
was going through me.

I couldn't breathe.

I had no air, and I felt like
I was gonna pass out.

I ran out of the room.

I ran down the stairs,
and I ran out of the house.

And I stayed out of that house
for about 15 minutes,

and then I came back in,
but I didn't go up to his room.

I came in
and sat in this dining room.

Do you believe that you and Liz,
coincidentally,

are having these intense attacks

because both of you are strong
on your viewpoints that

Mr. Borden has sexually abused
his daughters?

It could be.

All I know is,
that didn't happen

until after you people left.

Liz and Eleanor,
they are 100% factual

that Mr. Borden
did these things to Lizzie,

and they are open about it,
and they tell him that.

They provoke him with that.

Maybe their claims of attack

are being provoked
by what they are saying.

Right.

I've never been attacked
that way

in the house personally.

Have you said that to Mr. Borden
like they do?

No.

No, I have to live with him,

so I will never say
anything like that to him.

A lot of graphic conversations
take place right here,

and graphic, I mean in terms
of what has happened to people.

Attacks, possessions,
oppressions, all kinds of stuff.

Yes.

And I know that you're here

because you're gonna talk
about something.

Personal stuff that...
Very personal.

Yes.

Okay.

And that personal stuff
that you're gonna talk about,

I believe, has something to do
with what we witnessed

when you investigated with us.

Okay?

Yes.

ZAK: To further my stance
on why I think it's wrong

that Liz and Eleanor
accuse the murdered Mr. Borden

of sexually assaulting Lizzie

is new information that has
recently been uncovered.

Since our investigation,
a book has been published

with privately held letters
and photos

that show Lizzie as a person
with respect and dignity,

not a vicious killer

who had a bad relationship
with her father.

The new information
is a breakthrough

in the way the public views
the Borden family.

I believe what you were saying,

you were pissing off Mr. Borden.

You ever covered your face
after you said it

because I think you know that
you were gonna piss him off.

Mr. Borden, did you have [bleep]
relationships with Lizzie?

That leads me
to another question.

Is it true that you were
sexually assaulted

by a spirit in that house?

[ Sighing ] Oh.

I don't like when you say that.

How am I supposed to phrase it?

I'm sorry, I feel...

It's hard for me to talk about.

What happened?

What night was this?

This was Halloween night.

Who were you there with?

I was doing my last s?ance
in the house.

I haven't been back since,

and I won't go back any more
'cause I'm done.

What was going on
at this particular night

that led up to this?

I was asked to come in.

I didn't want to come in

'cause I was already
backing away from the house.

I went in,
and I had a horrible feeling.

There was 15, 20 people.

I didn't know
I was gonna have a hard time

talking about it.

Let's just talk about,
event to event.

What did you start feeling?

I was feeling
a lot of cold drafts around me,

a lot of...

And after the cold drafts,
what else did you start feeling?

Fear, a lot of fear, and...

In what form? Did you feel him
start touching you?

Not at this point.
I just felt, like, in trouble.

I wanted to quit the s?ance,
but I had all these people.

I had to keep going,
and I didn't want to keep going,

but I had to keep going.

And then I started feeling
cold drafts around me,

and I kept, like, looking,

'cause I'm seeing him
go back and forth,

face to face, like,

his face will come
that close to me.

And he warned me.

So you can't tell me
what happened?

I can.

Can you?

When did you start feeling
touching on you from him?

Probably right before
the actual attack,

so I started feeling really cold
and very anxious.

Like, I kept turning around
and looking around,

and I kept feeling cold hands.

Where?

On my back.

Mm-hmm.

And this led up to the attack?

Mm-hmm.

Can you tell me
about the attack?

Not yet.

Then...

Then the cold hands
were on my legs.

And I know I'm having
a hard time saying it.

I'm worried about it being on TV
because it's kind of bad.

Like, I don't know how to say it

without being so descriptive.

You can say
what you feel is comfortable.

So, were you sitting down
at this point, still,

at the s?ance?
Yes, I'm sitting down.

[ Mumbling ]

So I started feeling cold hands,
and I wanted to quit,

and then I went...
I went cold from the waist down.

I felt frigid ice cold
from the waist down.

Okay, is that all you felt?

Mnh-mnh. That's not all I felt.

I felt the most
excruciating pain of my life.

Where?

Um... Violated.
I'm just gonna say violated.

Okay. [ Sniffles ]

That's it.

Have you heard about Liz
and the claim

that she had a sexual attack
during a s?ance?

I did not hear that one, no.

She has turned down s?ances.

I have guests
who do want to experience that,

and she has politely refused,
but she never came out,

until you just told me,
of why exactly.

I recall the s?ance.

I was there for part of it,

and I do recall
that she left the house

very quickly afterwards, not...
Not telling me exactly why.

She just had to go.

Were you there
when Liz got sexually abused

on this Halloween night?

No, no, I wasn't there
that night.

Did you hear about it?
Did she come to you about it?

Oh, yeah, she was a wreck.
She was a wreck.

She came over to my house
crying and shaking,

and I had to try to...
I had to try to calm her down.

She was a wreck,
but like I said,

I have been groped myself.

Not as bad, but right in front
of a gentleman guest.

Groped sexually.

Yes!

I was talking to this gentleman,
and I turned around.

I said, "Oh, I think my earring
fell down my blouse,"

and he said, "No, it didn't."

I felt something cold
go right down,

right down to my waist.

And I didn't say anything
to him.

I, like, ignored it. But, yes.

Do you think
this was Mr. Borden's hand?

Oh, God. It had to be.

Have you ever been attacked

to the level that Eleanor
and Liz claim?

No, not in that way.

I've been pushed.
I've been shoved.

You have?

Oh, yes.

But I've never felt threatened
in the house.

Do you blame the spirit
of Mr. Borden on this?

Is that who
you're holding responsible?

Well, he wanted me
out of the house,

and he wanted me to quit
what I was doing,

and he's warned me before
in the past.

So the answer of who this spirit

you believe
violated you sexually is who?

[ Sniffles ]

I can't say.

Do I deserve it
for talking about him?

I just did what I was...

I did it for Mrs. Borden
and for Lizzie,

and I basically
was trying to tell people

what I believe led to this,

and if I offended anyone
in the meantime...

I don't go around accusing
people of things like that.

Well, I appreciate
you coming out here,

leaving this interview
on that note.

I'm gonna leave it at that,
okay?

And everybody else can make up
their own opinions on this,

but you know, with such
strong statements to a dead man,

there's gonna be
some strong opinions

that are gonna be associated
with this.

I don't ask for anyone
to believe in that, Zak.

I was just repeating
what I was told.

Well, sorry that you were
attacked in this way,

and you seem to be recovering
from the event

and not
doing these s?ances anymore,

which I think is a good move
on your part.

Right.

So, thank you
for coming out here.

I know it took a lot of courage
to talk about this.

And I do...
I really do appreciate it.

Okay.

While we can't confirm
with undeniable certainty

that it's Mr. Borden
attacking the women

who work in the house,

it is clear that whoever
or whatever

is trapped within its walls

is deeply
and disturbingly negative.

Now we look
at another residence,

the Black Swan Inn,
where a negative entity

is targeting Nathaniel
and Madison,

the children
who live in the home.

Ever since, I guess, y'all came,
I would just feel, like,

something would want me
to stay in my room.

Something like a ghost?

ZAK: We're talking with Jo Ann,
the owner of the Black Swan Inn.

We investigated the property,

which was infested
with sinister energy, in 2013.

The property
has seen many deaths

from the gruesome
Battle of Salado,

fought on the grounds in 1842.

But more recently,

the passing away of her
beloved mother in the house.

The dark energy at this location
is so profound

that I'm concerned that
it's starting to take ahold

of Jo Ann and her children.

So, how you doing? Good, thanks.

Good to see you again. You, too.

I remember
when we investigated your home,

the Black Swan Inn,

while were there,
still to this date,

a piece of evidence and a moment

I think about almost every day.

And I still ask myself
and wanted to have you come back

so we could have a face-to-face.

Do you remember doing this
SB7 Spirit Box session with us?

Yes, I will never forget that.

I want to replay that moment,
okay?

Sure.

[ Oscillating static ]

Bossier.

Huh? Bossier.

That's what it...
That's what it sounds like.

Hang on one second. Let me see.

At this moment,

Jo Ann is visually
and emotionally stunned

as this voice that we replay

is her and her mother's
code word, "Bossier."

Bossier, what does that mean?

Bossier is our code word.

Really? That's it?

Yeah, Bossier, it's where
she liked to go play...

She liked to gamble, in Bossier.

That's what that means? Yeah.

I'm, like,
that's where she wanted to go

before she died.

She was in East Texas,

and she was gonna go to Bossier
to gamble.

I mean, that's the first time
she's using her voice.

That's, like...
That's excellent.

Like, oh, my God.
That's just amazing.

Sorry.

You all right?

Yeah,
it's just an amazing thing,

and it was... I don't know.

To experience it.

I mean, truly, had you not
felt the warmth of her love,

we would never
have played it back,

and Bossier would have meant
nothing to you,

and I would have missed
that moment.

It was a strong connection.

It was a moment
I'll never forget in my life.

Is the passing of your mother
in the house,

and the communication
that you have with her,

does that keep you at the house?

It's a big part of it.

I mean, that the house
is a big part of me.

I feel very connected to
the property, and I always have.

I mean, from the very beginning.

People were telling me
not to buy it,

that I was a crazy person
for wanting to do it.

I was a single woman,
what was I thinking?

I felt connected,

like it was to something
that I absolutely had to do.

And my mother was a big part
of all of that.

I mean, she was there with me
all the time,

and so now,
the question has come up about,

you know,
"How long will you stay?

How far can this all go?"

And now,
it's like from my mother.

I mean, we're connected there.

I can see the real reason
why you stay in that house.

It's an intense house,
that's for sure.

I know, and I believe

that there are many
other spirits there,

and some of them are powerful,
maybe negative,

but this moment right here
is why I believe

that you stay there,

and you stay strong
to let them know

that this is your house,
this is your family,

and that your mother visits you,

just like she visited us
in that moment.

Right.

What I'm trying to do is,
is just really prove

the authenticity
of this piece of evidence,

and you know,
part of me being here with you

is to get updates on
how you've been since we left.

But when I do have the moment

to have a third-party person

that was part
of our investigation,

that witnessed a particular
piece of powerful evidence,

I like to address it with you

sitting down in front of people

that are watching us right now

to understand the impact

that some of the devices
that we use

do, indeed, give us some
very proof-positive evidence

that people
that were once alive,

including your mother,
are speaking through the device.

The first time we met you,
right off the bat,

you laid it all out to us.

You said that you
and your children

are experiencing things
in that home

that have to do
with unexplained things,

spirits, or whatnot, okay?

Let's watch that.

I've never let anybody
talk to my children

about what they've experienced
or what's going on.

Are you gonna let us talk to
your children?

Yeah, that's the plan.

ZAK: Madison, have you... have
you ever seen anything in here,

up in your room and stuff?

I saw a shadow,
and then I went back to bed,

and then I saw
two little glowing red dots.

Where did you see
the little glowing red dots?

Over there by the shelves.

Were the red dots
in the shadow person?

Yes.

Did they look like the eyes?

Did it move?

Yeah.

I kept getting pinched
in the middle of the night,

and then my blanket
would always get pulled off.

And then when I woke up,
there's bruises on my legs.

Have you ever seen
anything else?

No, not in here, but technically
in the stairwell over there.

It was like a mist,
but it had, like,

a white line in the shape
of a skirt or something.

Like, staying still
right on the stairs.

So, what do you guys
want us to do while we're here?

See what goes on
in the middle of the night.

Okay.

Well, that's what we'll do
for you, we promise.

Scout's honor.

But more importantly,

I think you got to know
that you're okay here.

This is your home. Yep.

And you're both strong.

Can I ask you a question? Sure.

Do you want to talk about
some of the other things

that have been going on
in the house since we left?

We like to get an update

on what's happening with you
and your children.

Well, I mean, I've been living
in the house now

for almost 30 years,

so some of it
I'm kind of used to,

but it's interesting to see
what's happening with the kids,

although y'all didn't experience
the darkness of the upstairs.

We're still living
with that energy.

We were only there
for a small time.

Right, right.

So maybe it just didn't
make itself known to us.

And it doesn't happen
all the time,

but it's interesting,
between Nathaniel...

When you get to talk to him
again, you'll see.

Lots of things happen to him
that he doesn't remember.

ZAK: We're sitting down with Jo Ann,
the owner of the Black Swan Inn,

who is revealing to us
shocking new developments

that have been taking place
with her children in the house.

Nathaniel, when you get to
talk to him again, you'll see.

Lots of things happen to him
that he doesn't remember.

Is he doing okay?

He is struggling.

I'm working really hard
to put all the pieces together.

He gets a lot of dizziness.

Does he get it
when he's outside of the house?

No... well, it's more like
when he leaves.

If he's going out the door,

he'll get to
where he feels really dizzy.

To me, it's like the room

doesn't want him to leave
that room.

It's interesting that
it's only one specific room.

Just that room?

It's just
that one particular room

that these things happen,

and it's historically
been that way.

I mean, I've read back
through some of the travel books

that were written
by different authors,

and there's always
some kind of comment

about someone
that they interviewed

that stayed
in this particular room,

and they all experience
the same things.

If it was different things,
I'd say, "Well."

But it's always
the same scenario.

So I'm looking at all of it.

I'm certainly
never gonna rule out paranormal,

but I'm also looking for
all the actual scientific,

physical, medical reasons

as to why
they have these experiences.

Hearing about
the negative effects

that Jo Ann's children
have been experiencing

as a result of a negative entity
in the house

is making me very concerned
for their spiritual safety.

I talk to Madison
and Nathaniel now

to get more insight
on their disturbing situation.

How you guys been doing?

Good. Good.

You're a little more grown up
since I saw you last.

So, how you been doing, Madison?

Good.

Good?

Do you remember
when I met you last,

we did an interview,
and you were telling me

about this dark figure
with red eyes?

Mm-hmm.

I saw a shadow,
and then I went back to bed,

and I then I saw
two little glowing red dots.

Are you still seeing any other
weird things with red eyes?

Uh... I mean,
I see shapes moving,

but I've moved
to a different room, so...

You've moved
to a different room?

Yeah.

Was there a time
where you were taking a shower,

and something happened
with the mirror?

Yeah, it was, like, prints
everywhere and smiling faces.

Creepy.

Smiley faces on the mirror?

Yeah.

Did you see them create
in front of your face,

or it was like somebody
did that?

Yeah. Okay.

Nathaniel, you didn't sneak in

and were messing with her,
were you?

'Cause I guess
I was in my room at the time

'cause I normally
just stay in my room.

Yeah.

Madison, does he spend
a lot of time in his room?

Yes.

With the door shut? Mm-hmm.

Yeah?

I guess sometimes, like,
whenever I'm out of my room,

and we're not even near
the house.

I would just feel nervous.
I don't want to speak as much.

Like, I just want to stay still.

Like, I want to stay
at my house.

In your room? Mm-hmm.

Like something's
bringing me back to the room,

or something wants me to keep...

Something wants me to stay there
in my room.

Something wants you to stay
in your room.

Stay in my room.

Nathaniel
will have these moments

that he's extremely angry
and physically strong.

I mean, you get into
confrontations with him,

but then
he doesn't even remember...

Doesn't even know
that it happened.

And it's like
he's not even really there.

It's like there's somebody else
that's there.

That sounds like a possession.

Do you think your son
is possessed?

No, but I do think
that there are moments

that something goes through him.

Is channeling through.
Is channeling through him.

Madison, do you ever notice

your brother
acting kind of weird at home?

Yeah, he recently
got into a fight with my sister,

and I guess he, like,
pinned her against the wall,

and then she noticed
that his eyes

were, like, pitch black,
like something got

like, into his eyes
or something.

Do you remember that, Nathaniel?

Not much of the fight.

After the fight,
I remember watching TV,

and then falling asleep
right after.

Do you remember the fight
with your older sister

and pinning her
up against the wall?

Not as much of the fight.

I just remember watching TV,
and then falling asleep.

Were you there, Madison?

Yeah, I was, like...
I was in the next room watching.

Did it just happen
all of a sudden?

Was there any reason
why it happened?

I mean, it was, like, over,
I guess, something...

He just, like,
really slammed her.

Slammed her with a lot of force.

Yeah, it didn't seem like him.

It didn't seem like him.

And you don't remember it,
Nathaniel?

I only remember the after.

And who saw his eyes
that were all black?

It was Victoria,

but I kind of noticed
in the corners... really black.

You could, too?

Yeah.

Nathaniel,
you said that something

wants you to stay in that room.

What does "something" mean?

I don't know.

It's just that... it's like
a natural feeling to me,

but it's...
Ever since, I guess, y'all came,

I would just feel like something

would want me to stay
in my room.

Something like a ghost?

A ghost, I guess.

It makes me feel, like,
I guess, I'm alone.

Even though
there's my family around me.

But when I go up to my room,
I'm feeling not as alone,

even though no one is near me.

Even though you're alone,
something is in there with you.

Mm-hmm.

Madison is the one that sits up
in the middle of the night

and speaks
in some other language

and will have, evidently,
whole conversations

that nobody knows,
and we can't wake her up.

They can't wake her up,
and we were...

ZAK: So she's sleeping
and talking?

She's sleeping and talking.

To something
in another language?

Yes.

ZAK: Have you ever heard Madison
talk in a different language?

No.

Do you ever recall that,
Madison?

I mean, like,
when people say I do,

like, before that
in the dreams, I guess,

like, I know something
bad's gonna happen,

and it happens.

You know that something bad
is gonna happen in your dream,

or when you wake up?

When I wake up, like,
to my sister.

It's just like a dark force
coming around people.

You know that something bad
is gonna happen

to your older sister
when you start dreaming

and speaking
in this other language?

Mm-hmm, 'cause it's,
like... it's...

Why do you call it
something dark?

'Cause it seems like something's
controlling other people,

but I'm not afraid of it.

In your house?

Mm-hmm.

Is Nathaniel different
now that he's here?

He's been very affectionate
and very close to me.

It's interesting because...

Is he like that back at home,
while in the house?

No, when he's at home,
he's more...

He stays in his room more.

And he's being
more affectionate with you

while you're here in...

Yeah, he's much more
connected to me,

telling me, "Mom, I love you."

Wanting to hang out together.

I think he's being affected
by something in that house.

I agree with you.
There is something going on.

ZAK: We've been hearing
from Nathaniel and Madison

about the deep
and disturbing effects

that the entities in the house
are having on them.

Their mother, Jo Ann,
tells us now

about shocking new information

that she just learned
from her children.

JO ANN: They don't always
tell me everything.

I mean, they're typical kids.

They're sitting in there now,

and they're talking more
about Madison

speaking in different languages,

and how they can't wake her up,
and how Nathaniel's...

When he's in these trances
or rages or possessions

or whatever it is
that's happening with him,

those dynamics,
how it doesn't seem like him.

And then when it's over,

although
it's emotionally intense

and horrible at that time,
when it's over,

he's exhausted,
and then he doesn't remember it.

What's going on
with that particular room?

You know,
I'm sure that when we go home,

he's gonna be saying,
"Mom, I want to move out.

I want a different room."

Neither of you are afraid
of the house, right?

You're not afraid?

I'm not as afraid
as I used to be.

Like, mainly I would be afraid
to go downstairs by myself.

But you're not.
You're more attached to it now.

I'm more attached to the house.

Do you want to be there
right now?

Yeah, sometimes.

Like, I'll feel like
I want to go back home.

And just be in your room, right?

Just lay down.

Yeah. Okay.

Thank you for coming here
and talking to me again.

You're welcome.

Why don't you guys go ahead
and run out there, okay?

Aaron? AARON: Later, guys. Yeah?

Do me a favor.
Can you have a seat?

Mm-hmm.

Look, I've never brought Aaron
to sit down here,

but right now,
I'm, like... I'm concerned.

Dude,
I was sitting there listening,

especially when you were talking
to the mom earlier

and talking about the kids.

And now the kids talk...

It's like, they're totally
attached to that house.

It's like straight out
of a movie kind of, man.

Right.

He's walking in dark rooms,
seeing things,

more comfortable
staying his room

than he is outside his room.

And that right there
is an energy

pulling him in there
to keep him out of there.

He's probably, you know...

The caring side of me
or any grown-up

that's sitting here

can see what is causing
the problem with children.

And it's easier
'cause you're outside the box,

and they're caught up in it.

What they were telling me,
you don't even know.

I was frozen in my chair
right here.

I was frozen holding the camera.

I didn't know
how to react to that.

I can only talk to
the mother. Right.

So, you having
your children there,

and these symptoms
that I'm hearing

that your children
are experiencing.

Honestly,
I'm concerned, you know.

I'm very concerned
for your children.

Are you attached to that house?

I am attached to the house.

I love that place,
and that, again...

Do you think that attachment
is stronger

than taking you
and your family out of there,

if they're being victimized
by something negative?

No, I don't think so.

I think that the house...
Whatever my connection is,

it's like we have a lifeline.

And so through this lifeline,
the house will protect me.

When is your breaking point?

When is enough enough to get
your children out of that house?

It's a beautiful house.
Beautiful property.

I loved it.

But what do you think?

What do you think
is the right thing to do

at this point
if your children, you feel,

are being affected?

For me, at this point,
it's still about digging.

It's still about
finding what's going on.

Why am I so drawn
to the property?

I was drawn to it
before my mother passed away.

I was connected to it
before that.

I was connected before
I got married and had children.

There's a reason that I'm there,

and I'm trying
to figure that out.

Do you believe
your children are being affected

negatively by the spirits?

I think my children
are being affected.

I don't know
that it's completely negative.

I think that there's...

There's positive
because my mother is there.

They get a lot of the positive.

There is also something
that is negative and darker,

and it's gonna be
about finding a balance,

and if I can't figure
the balance out,

or if they, in their journey,

can't come
to start to figure it out,

you know, then we'll have to
make a different decision.

ZAK: We've seen that a home can
turn into a paranormal cocoon

swarming with negative energy
to those living within.

Something wants me to stay there
in my room.

While those affected
may never be able to shake

the memories
of the traumatic events

that happened
inside the walls...

I felt the most
excruciating pain of my life.

...we hope
that they take the knowledge

that they've received
from those experiences

and move on.

Subtitles Diego Moraes
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