Ghost Adventures: Aftershocks (2014–…): Season 1, Episode 5 - Bonnie Springs and Vulture Mine - full transcript
MAN: [ Moaning ] Help me!
MAN: Do you hear me?
ZAK: The last several years,
we have explored many locations.
We have met
hundreds of people...
MAN: What you do is so valuable.
...many who have been deeply
affected by our investigations.
Has there been any really dark
[bleep] up [bleep]
that's happened?
You didn't hear?
Hear what?
They killed him.
Are these dark spirits
still plaguing these places...
MAN: No.
...and harming these people?
I can say
that he was responsible
for homicide in the asylum.
It's time to find out.
GHOST ADVENTURES - AFTERSHOCKS - SEASON 1
EP 5 -Palmer House and Mustang Ranch
Yorktown, Texas, is home to
the notoriously haunted hospital
Yorktown Memorial
and its caretaker Mike Henson.
The building saw
thousands of deaths...
How many actual deaths
do you think this place saw?
It could be around 50 a year.
That's about 2,000 deaths.
...and gruesome murders.
There was a murder
in the basement.
And it was supposed to be
a triple stabbing,
double homicide.
We went there to investigate
these deaths and claims
of residual energy
firsthand in 2011,
and we were not disappointed.
What are you gonna do to me?
You want me to suffer?
Since our investigation
over three years ago,
I'm still concerned
about Mike's safety
and the resistance that he's
getting from the community.
He's with us now
to fill us in on that
as well as shocking new
information about the spirits
that are checking in
to the hospital.
Are you still on the property?
Yeah.
You're still there? Wow.
This spring
will be my sixth year.
From being there, documenting
evidence of the spirits there,
it is very active with
paranormal events, phenomena.
Have you ever felt
that you were being affected
by the spirits or the energy?
Because, you know, somebody
that spends a lot of time at...
I mean, I can take about a day,
a night at a place,
doing an investigation,
communicating with spirits,
and I call it
a lockdown hangover,
where it's like I just went out
and partied all night.
And I cannot recoup
for three days after.
How have you been emotionally,
physically, spiritually?
Have you ever had some issues,
some personal issues
on property there?
All the time.
You can get
an overwhelming dread,
or you want to cry
for no reason...
Stuff like that.
Have you done that?
Have you walked in there
and cried for no reason?
Oh, well, no.
I mean, I've come close, yeah.
There ain't no doubt.
And, you know, I've watched
others do the same thing.
You ask them what's wrong
and they're, "I don't know."
[ Laughs ] For no reason.
Bryan Bernier
is a paranormal investigator
and a friend of Mike
who has seen firsthand
the lasting effects that living
on the hospital grounds
has on him.
So, tell me, man,
do you believe in ghosts?
Yeah.
Do you think Mike is affected
by the spirits of the hospital?
Yes, sir.
Yeah. Yes.
And in what respect, Bryan?
Do you think he's, uh...
I think he's bonded to them.
I think they're bonded to him.
Do you think it's changed him
since he's been there?
Yes, sir.
You know, he lives there.
He deals with them every day.
You know, like, I can't
walk in there broad daylight
'cause I feel like somebody's,
you know, behind me
or right there with me.
I always get the goose bumps.
Now, you know,
I've had many ex-girlfriends,
and a lot of them
are ex-girlfriends
because they've come over
to my house
and they've been affected
by what has been attached to me
in the past.
Two weeks after I got home,
I had a girl
who I was dating at the time
have a rosary
get ripped off of her neck,
taken about 50 yards
down my hallway,
placed in a guest bedroom
with the door shut.
And many of them
have been physically affected
by some of these spirits
in the past
when I was having issues.
Thank God I'm okay now.
Things have calmed down.
But many of them have broken up
with me because of this.
It's crazy to say.
Do you have a girlfriend?
I date a lot.
It kind of is exactly
what you just said.
Most girls, you know,
they don't want to really have
that deep of an association
with that hospital.
Have you had girls visit you and
have problems? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
What kind of problems?
Well, a lot of them,
when they're in the trailer...
And even my daughters...
Females, it's almost like
they're not supposed to be
in my trailer.
Why?
Both my daughters, they'll be
laying up in the top part
and they'll get
their legs grabbed,
like they're getting pulled
out of the bed, down the stairs.
Women that I date,
it's always the same thing.
It's a stomach...
You know, they'll feel like
their kidneys
are ready to blow up
or their stomach's hurting
really bad.
Recently, one of them sat up.
Right when she said
her stomach hurt,
I turned and looked at her,
and, you know,
I still can't say
that it wasn't passing,
but when I looked at her,
something black
came out of her back.
Out of her back?
Yeah, out of her back.
And then what happened to her?
She still felt like [bleep]
She did? Yeah.
Yeah, they physically...
A few of them have had
their hair pulled really hard.
You know, I get my hair
tugged on, but, you know,
this is, like,
move your head kind of.
Seen people in my trailer,
but yeah, there's a lot of
activity in there.
And it seems to kick up
when a female enters.
How are you doing now?
Are people breaking in now?
Have you ever been
more threatened?
Oh, yeah.
Yeah?
I get threats. People break in.
Have you ever gotten
into a physical altercation?
Many.
You have? Oh, yeah.
Fights on property there?
Oh, yeah.
What's some stuff
that's happened?
For some reason, they think
that there's nobody there,
it's abandoned or something,
even though there's a, you know,
streetlight on in the back.
And they get offended when
they get caught breaking in.
But I'm offended
that they broke in.
Some of them are drunk or high or
something. Oh, a lot of them, yeah.
Has there been any really dark
[bleep] up [bleep]
that's happened
since we've been there?
You didn't hear?
Hear what?
They killed him.
ZAK: Dark entities
are not the only spirits
at Yorktown Memorial Hospital.
Mike's donkey, named Spirit,
resides there, as well.
This beloved pet of Mike's
was the first thing
we encountered
when we arrived at the hospital,
and one of our
most memorable moments.
[ Snorts ]
A donkey.
Don't ever lunge a donkey's ass.
We get an update
on this treasured animal now.
There's another Spirit
that I want to talk about,
and this Spirit we met
when we were looking for you.
And I'd like to show that.
I don't see anybody, man.
I don't know.
It's right behind you. What the
[bleep] [ Sighs ] You ain't heard?
What the [bleep] is that?
What's that?
It's a donkey! You ain't heard?
What the hell?
Hang on one second.
You didn't hear?
Hear what?
They killed him.
Who did?
If I knew, I'd be in prison.
I don't know.
He was like my kid, man.
So, I would've...
I'd still be in jail, I'm sure.
But he buried
not far from my trailer.
Wow, man.
We all have pets.
I've got a pet dog, Gracie.
And if anybody ever did
anything to her,
I would say the same thing.
I'd be in prison.
How did you cope with the loss?
Not good.
[ Chuckles ] Yeah, that was
my little buddy there,
so, yeah, not good at all.
Broke a lot of things,
threw a lot of things, you know?
How was Mike when that happened?
Freaked out. He loved Spirit.
Really? Yeah, yeah.
What was he going through?
Losing a friend.
It was his friend, you know?
He's got all of us now,
or whatnot,
but, I mean,
it was just a friend, you know?
Spirit was close to him.
He loved Spirit.
Can you tell me what happened?
How did you find him?
Well, the night before he died,
I saw him standing over...
Right where he just came from,
right around that corner.
That first cedar tree,
he was standing under it.
I went up and, you know,
he was just drooling out of
his mouth and he was sweating.
And the guy that castrated him
don't live far away,
and he knows a lot
about donkeys.
So, I called him
and he was like, you know,
"He's been poisoned.
There's no doubt about it."
Who do you think did it,
and why?
Well, there's people there
that don't think
we should be there doing this.
Doing what?
There's people in that town
that are just so uneducated
that they think that we're,
like, exploiting the spirits
or enslaving them,
making them do what we want.
Which you know
is not even a possibility.
But there's people that think we
should not be there doing this.
I know by being
in the paranormal industry,
you get that group of people.
Well, a lot of them we have.
Like, the paranormal
can be really, really...
It can be really nasty
because it is,
when you look at a bigger
picture, it is a belief.
Some people believe in spirits,
and those that don't
tend to do
some really nasty things.
And do you think that this
is the type of scenario here?
Exactly.
So, you believe
that people
are kind of not agreeing with
you allowing people into
the hospital for ghost hunts?
I've had people
at the grocery store
turn around and look and say,
"I'll come back later,"
and walk away,
you know, at the register.
They'll just leave their stuff
because I have an item
behind them.
Mm-hmm.
So, yeah, there's a little
stigma there, you know?
Yeah.
In addition to Spirit's death,
other startling events
have been taking place
at the hospital.
Mike Henson reveals
some remarkable new evidence
about an entity we met
when we were there in 2011.
Let's watch you
telling us about Doug.
I mean, he's a big guy.
You're gonna like him.
His name was Doug Richards.
Down at the end of the hall,
we were asking for Doug,
which is the so-called name
that they call him by.
And about two seconds
after I asked,
from the left-hand side,
right down here at the end,
walked across.
Very, very large shadow.
Looked like
a very, very large man.
Doug was
a heavy-equipment mechanic.
Doug's one
that will walk up to you...
He's walked up and done this
to my face before.
Really?
Yeah, Doug's a...
He's as curious about us
as we are him.
We talked to him on an amp,
you know,
a sound-induction amp
that's been tweaked
to where it's live time.
He passed in '73.
Is this documented?
This is from evidence.
Uh-huh. And when I asked him,
"Doug, where do you
hang out mostly?"
And he goes, "In the basement."
I asked him, "How tall are you?"
And he said,
"I'm tall. I'm 6'4".
You should know that."
'Cause he was the one
that I would see all the time.
And the spirit of Doug
would be telling you all this?
Yeah.
There's a clip that we're gonna
play that you provided with us.
It is a very intelligent,
distinguished Doug.
Bill, roll that Doug EVP.
Doug was
a heavy-equipment mechanic.
Doug's one
that will walk up to you...
He's walked up and done this
to my face before.
There's a clip that we're gonna
play that you provided with us.
It is a very intelligent,
distinguished Doug.
Bill, roll that Doug EVP.
WOMAN: Doug, can you say
your name for us?
That's a pretty clear "Doug."
Yeah.
That's big validation there
that this spirit is Doug.
ZAK: The evidence is confirming
that Doug does indeed
reside in the basement.
From our investigation,
we found evidence
that leads us to believe
that there are other spirits
down there, as well,
that may be interacting
with Doug.
What's interesting is that,
in the basement of the hospital,
we captured some of our
most compelling EVPs to date.
We would get full sentences.
Yeah.
One of them...
Billy, can you play that?
Our digital recorder
we left down in the basement
where the double murder
took place
is capturing some chilling
unexplained voices.
The first one sounds like
a woman moaning in pain.
Pause.
So, now that you're here and
you've lived there for years,
that noise right there,
do you think that
that is an animal?
Or do you think it is a spirit?
That's a spirit.
It is? Yes.
And what do you think, Mike,
from spending
so much time there,
what do you think
this unexplained female moan,
as we called it, is?
Do you think it's a residual
moan of a woman in distress?
'Cause wasn't there a woman
that was said to be killed here?
Well, yeah, but a lot of bad
happened in that basement
when it was a drug rehab.
They overpopulated it
and understaffed it on purpose
to make the cash.
They told the people
that were court-ordered,
"Go downstairs.
Do your time down there."
And so... It was coed.
A female counselor was carrying
on with two male patients.
The guy and the lady
are standing here talking,
the other guy
comes through the door
and he stabbed the lady first,
and then he stabbed the guy.
The guy took his knife
and killed him with it.
And that's their blood.
Starting from...
Yep, I see it.
Do you think that this may be
a residual sound?
It could've been.
There was others in there
that had some bad things
happen to them, too. Okay.
[ Man scream ]
Well, the other things
that these other people
may have had happen to them
may be this next EVP.
ZAK: This next EVP sounds like
a complete sentence,
and what's absolutely shocking
is that it actually speaks
of the double homicide
that occurred down here.
It's... It's very chilling.
Especially the last part. Yeah.
But if you listen to
"it must be told,"
it almost sounds like
there's another spirit
talking to that spirit.
There's another
little voice there
that's I'm just now hearing
right now.
Let me hear it again, Billy.
You hear that, Aaron?
I hear something there.
The voice after
"it must be told."
I hear "kill 'em."
Do you hear it, Mike? Yes.
It is interesting that we
didn't pick that up before,
but the thing
that I like the most
is when we almost eavesdrop in
on two spirits
talking with each other.
And here, now that I'm hearing
that response
after "it must be told,"
it sounds like another spirit
talking with that spirit.
So, it's like
they are communicating
on the other side, still,
about, possibly,
that double homicide.
Right.
When a spirit makes direct
contact with the living,
it can change your life.
Mike has seen these occurrences
happen firsthand
to Bryan Bernier,
who has had a shocking encounter
with a spirit
at the hospital named Stacey.
[ Girl giggles ]
Who do you think
this little girl is?
Her name is Stacey.
We don't know her last name or,
really, what happened to her,
but we know which room was hers.
[ Girl giggles ]
And this Stacey has given
a problem to your friend?
Well, he took it as a problem.
Why? He's just not used to it.
I took it as her communicating.
He asked for a sign.
She threw a rock at him.
So, tell me, man.
Tell me about what happened
with this little girl, Stacey.
Y'all know the hospital,
whatnot,
the office that's up front.
We were all sitting up front
and, uh, I just got this urge
to, you know,
just go down the hallway
and try to do a, you know,
a little session, I guess,
by myself.
I sat down on a chair,
just like this.
I had my cell phone on my lap.
I'm sitting there
trying to talk to Stacey.
I'm not really taunting her,
I just want her to come out
and, you know, see
if I can see her or anything.
Provoking her a little.
That's fine.
Yeah, yeah.
If she's messing with everybody
up front, and I'm by myself,
I wondered
what she would do to me,
and she did.
She was right there.
And I hear her giggle.
[ Girl giggles ]
And then she throws a rock.
And I got up, man.
I was out of...
I left my boots right there.
I was scared.
It was broad daylight,
and Mike and my buddies,
they jumped up. Right.
And they were like,
"What's going on?"
And then the rock got tossed.
And for a big guy,
he can run pretty quick.
Did he see her?
Yeah. He saw her
before she threw the rock.
He asked for a sign.
That's a good sign, you know?
Right.
BERNIER: You know, I didn't
want to look or anything.
I was, you know,
kind of freaked out.
Were you scared?
Yeah. Yeah?
It was...
There's another definition
of scared or fear
when it comes to the paranormal.
There's a feeling
underneath your skin.
The whole energy aspect of this
is something we don't
understand. Right.
And to a lot of people,
that sensation is addicting.
Yeah.
And it brings people
back to locations.
I'm so glad we live there,
'cause we go there all the time.
Do you want to be
attacked there?
In a good way.
Well, how is an attack...
Good way, uh...
You know,
grab me or something, not...
You know, not like throw me
or push me down stairs
or, you know, try to choke me.
As investigators,
we want to get evidence.
Right.
But there's times now
where it's like
I'm in direct contact
with this spirit,
and it's what I want,
it's what this is all about,
it's a special moment,
but it's like now
I'm trying to push them away.
It's just like, you know,
I can't do this anymore.
Got so much of it.
Yeah, you got to go.
You got to get away from me.
Those interactions
are really having an effect
on my body, personally.
Just internally,
my electrical system,
it just drains me, you know?
And we have the evidence to
back up these encounters. Yeah.
Get the [bleep] out of here!
And the longer we stay in it,
I see the more effects we have
emotionally, physically,
you know, mentally.
You start asking yourself,
"Am I really supposed to be
communicating with the dead
this much?"
Right.
"Am I really supposed to be
opening myself up
to the dead this much?"
What does this do
to the living body?
Right, yeah.
Like you said,
it's draining you.
It's just pulling everything
out of you.
It's got to have some effect
on our systems.
These spirits, this energy
is almost like a spiritual drug.
It takes you to another place.
It does. Your emotions change.
It's not your emotions,
it's theirs.
You transport yourself
into someone else's reality.
Right.
And by doing that,
we still, you know...
There should be
some kind of paranormal doctor
studying the effects
and symptoms and side effects
of long-term exposure
to interactions with spirits.
And y'all been doing it
for a long time, too, now, huh?
Yeah.
ZAK: Next, we reconnect
with the employees
at a different kind
of medical facility
with a dark history.
The Trans-Allegheny
Lunatic Asylum
in Weston, West Virginia.
We had an unprecedented
live investigation
that was one of our
most shocking to date.
And the activity
has escalated since.
The current owner,
Rebecca Gleason,
has opened its doors
to the GAC crew, not once,
but twice...
During our "Ghost Adventures"
live event...
GLEASON:
It's all extremely active.
From that door right there
slamming on people,
from shadow figures
darting across the hall,
from black masses to orbs.
...and Paranormal Challenge.
The portals are open.
Let the challenge begin.
Since our investigation,
they have uncovered
groundbreaking information
through historical records
about new spirits who were once
residents of the hospital,
and confirmed them using direct
communication with the spirits.
We sit down with her now
to check in
on those new revelations
since we've last investigated
at the asylum.
The last time I saw you
was Paranormal Challenge.
Yes.
How is
the ghost-hunting business?
Wonderful.
Is it? Every weekend.
So, the people are coming there
still every weekend?
Absolutely. And the preservation
brings them back.
Obviously, every year they want
to come back and see what's new.
And what I really like is,
is how...
And I'm not taking credit
for this.
I'm just stating
that the paranormal,
through television,
a big benefit, I believe,
is it gives
our younger generations
an excitement to learn
the history and to give
a better appreciation
to preserving old buildings.
You're absolutely correct.
And a lot of these places,
they just want to be forgotten.
And you see that Mother Nature's
just consumed them with...
Absolutely. ...all the foliage,
and just...
That's done. That's it.
All of the suffering,
all the stuff
that happened to the people
back in that time.
Just wipe it away.
Yeah, just wipe it away,
whatever.
But I appreciate
what you're doing,
and you're still opening up
for tours,
you're teaching people about
what these people went through.
Absolutely, absolutely.
And you're talking
about the spirits.
Yes, absolutely.
I wanted to thank you, as well.
When you came
for Paranormal Challenge,
you kind of forced me
to jump into our case book.
She's holding a book,
a very special book
that gives me chills.
It details a big majority
of the deaths
that happened
within this building.
Names, occurrences, everything.
It's absolutely amazing.
These case files...
When a patient would come in
from 1890 to 1892,
and those are the years we have,
they would ask them
a series of questions,
16 different questions.
"What is your name?
Where are you from?
"Are you married?
Do you have children?
When were you first struck
by your illness?"
So, we're able to use that
information and research them.
We're putting
all that information,
that historical data,
with the paranormal data.
We have nine people so far
that we can say
that are absolutely
in the building.
And we've been... We've been
able to find even more,
and I think you may have stirred
that up while you were there.
But I also think that some
of the preservation work
in the different areas
is also bringing more people out
'cause I think they feel
more at home.
And that's good.
Yeah, thank you. [ Laughs ]
Yeah, you're welcome. Thank you.
The last I did see you
was on Paranormal Challenge.
The last Aaron saw you
was about five years ago
when we did our live special.
ZAK: Let's put an X in here,
Aaron, and see
if we can maybe capture the dark
figure that was attacking her.
I'll tell you what, everybody
that's watching this...
Billy, you and I were talking
about this last night.
We were going through the show,
and we were just looking
at each other like,
"Wow, we did seven hours live."
You guys were amazing,
I mean, absolutely amazing.
So, when we were there
doing our live special,
there was a moment
where we brought in some guests
and locked them
in seclusion cells.
And what I want to do is,
is I never sat down with you
and kind of went over
some of the evidence from that.
I'd love that.
So, I just want to show you
this one piece.
I don't know if there's
a possible explanation
or if you just don't know
what the hell it is...
I'll do my best.
...but I still remember
this scream.
It's imprinted in my mind,
and it will always be
imprinted in my mind
because it was heard
by several of us.
ZAK: Wait, wait, wait, wait.
Come here, come here.
Hang on a second.
What is that?
What is that?
What was that scream?
Did you guys just hear
that scream?
Yeah. Yes. Loud and clear.
Shh!
Did you hear a female scream?
Yes.
Did everybody hear a
female scream? Yes.
Kelly? MAN: Yes.
Now it's gonna be analyzed.
MAN: Almost sounds like
a girl screaming.
We're wondering if
this could be Lily screaming
or, perhaps, Ruthie.
I mean, talk about
a blood-curdling scream.
Yeah. Do you know what this is?
I've got a pretty good idea.
You do? Yes.
Ward F was the most violent
men's ward.
That's where you guys are
on this video.
Next to that was
the most violent female ward.
Really?
Which is very close
to where you are now.
The women were more feared
than the men in the asylum
'cause you had no idea
what they were gonna do.
I mean, literally,
you go to open a door
and you had to peek through,
you know, to make sure
that there's no one
that's gonna jump on you
right away
when you went
into the women's ward.
I mean, that was, like,
the most feared place.
We've never heard a disembodied,
loud scream like this that loud,
other than
at Rolling Hills Asylum.
What type of evil stuff
did you do?
The [bleep] is that?
This scream...
Inside, I was excited.
I was like, "Yes!"
"Live television...
Please, spirits,
do something, do something."
And it just happened,
and I thought this was awesome.
That is awesome.
And I still, to this day,
always think about this scream
and always wanted to sit down
with you and play this
so that you could give me
some more possible information.
Yeah, that's absolutely...
I would say that's coming
from Ward C.
Right. And, yeah,
it was always loud.
They were always screaming.
I mean, these... It was
the worst of the worst women.
Yeah, yeah.
There's been new information
uncovered about
a gruesome murder
that we learned about
since our investigation in 2009.
Let's talk about the ghosts.
Tell us who the hell Big Jim is.
Big Jim, we can't really discuss
too much about
because we can only talk names
and specific incidences
if it's 52 years or older.
Now, Big Jim was there.
He was there
in the '90s and late '80s.
He was?
He was a real person?
Yeah.
He was a real person.
Who was he?
Can we talk about that or no?
I can say
that he was responsible
for homicide in the asylum.
Oh, he was? Yes.
On Ward F.
So, he killed somebody? Yes.
Tell us who the hell Big Jim is.
Big Jim, we can't really discuss
too much about.
Now, Big Jim was there.
He was there
in the '90s and late '80s.
He was?
He was a real person?
Yeah.
He was a real person.
Who was he?
Can we talk about that or no?
I can say
that he was responsible
for homicide in the asylum.
Oh, he was? Yes.
On Ward F.
So, he killed somebody? Yes.
He had assistance, as well,
with another gentleman
who was on the ward.
Was it the bedpost? Yes.
That was it. Oh. Yes.
So, everybody
that didn't tune in
over five years ago
for the live special,
can you kind of refresh
our memory about this murder,
because that is still imprinted
in my mind
because it's so visual
and graphic.
At the end of Ward F,
which is the most violent
men's ward,
they have a room
where more than one bed can be.
The two gentlemen
we're talking about,
Big Jim and...
We'll call him D...
Okay. Okay.
And D were in the room
with another patient.
They had it in their mind that
they're gonna kill this guy,
and they tied some sheets
above one of the pipes,
and the pipes were very high
in the air,
I'd say probably
18 feet in the air.
But they'd tied some sheets
around the pipe and they kept
strangling this extra patient,
this other patient.
They kept bringing him up
until he would pass out,
and they'd let him down.
Bring him up
until he passed out,
and then they'd
let him down again.
Eventually, they realized
they were gonna get
in a lot of trouble.
And they laid him on the ground,
they put the bedpost
on the side of his head.
On his temple, right here.
On his temple, right here,
and they...
So, he was down like this,
bedpost right was here.
Exactly. And they jumped
up and down on the bed
until it went
through his skull.
It went through his skull.
And then they actually changed
their clothing,
went up to the nurses' station
in the center of this ward
and said, "There's ghosts
down there killing somebody."
Hold on a second.
[ Laughs ]
I didn't get this detail before.
Oh, yeah.
Big Jim and D, the other man
who just passed away...
Yeah... that killed this man,
they dressed up in civilian
clothes? They changed their clothes,
because their clothes
were all bloody.
They changed their clothes,
they went
to the nurses' station...
And said that spirits...
Ghosts were killing people
at the end of the ward.
And that's documented?
They said that?
That's documented, yeah.
Oh, my gosh.
Do you believe
the spirit of Big Jim is there?
We have placed Big Jim
in Ward F,
right beside that room.
And he often communicates
in that room
and outside of the room,
and throughout the entire ward.
That's kind of interesting
'cause he can tell us
specifics
about the time period...
Basically, the 1990s...
That we didn't know already.
And it's all documented,
which is absolutely amazing.
I mean, this is stuff
that you can look up online.
Do you believe that he is evil?
I believe he's violent.
Evil, I would say...
Because you're insane,
I don't think
that's really being evil.
I just...
I just think they
couldn't help it. Right.
You know, there was something
wrong in their minds.
ZAK: Copperhead, an employee
at the Trans-Allegheny
Lunatic Asylum,
opens up to us about
his experiences with a spirit
and former resident
of the institution, Big Jim.
Is he nasty?
He can be.
Has he had an effect
on somebody you know?
Yeah.
Is his name Paul?
Yes.
Paul Cipar is currently
an employee of the asylum.
He lets us in on his connection
to the facility.
So, how the hell did you learn
about Trans-Allegheny
Lunatic Asylum?
I saw your guys' show.
I ended up going online,
saw they did overnight hunts.
Went down for one, kept going
down for more and more and more.
And just became a guide
down there.
How long
have you known Copperhead?
I've known him
basically since the first time
I was down there.
We seem to get
the best evidence.
Any chance we get,
me and Copperhead
go into Big Jim's room together.
The first time
I was ever in Big Jim's room,
Copperhead was using
dowsing rods.
I started feeling
sick to my stomach,
and actually left the room.
COPPERHEAD: Jim has that effect.
If he doesn't want you in there,
you will get sick
and you will have to leave.
I just keep up,
trying to get the session going.
Paul comes back in, and I said,
"Are you still here?"
And over a spirit box,
he got, "F you."
And then there's another voice
that says, "Yeah."
Different voice.
And then Paul... Paul, he says,
"Man, I got to get out of here."
He turns and starts walking out,
and you can hear, "Bye, Paul."
CIPAR: That was the first time
I was ever in there,
and somehow he had
had my name already.
Big Jim was the first experience
I've ever had
walking through an entity.
It was like
stepping into a shower
that you think is warm,
but it's actually freezing cold.
And it just chills you
to the bone.
And it was
just for a split second.
And it's just one of my favorite
places in the asylum to go.
People think I'm crazy for it,
but I like talking to him.
What's been going on
in terms of the activity
since we last saw you?
Well, since you have been there,
we found
a lot of old photographs.
And we're trying to take
the wards
back to the original periods,
and trying to take it back
as old as we can.
So, we've used these photographs
to basically mimic,
and to re-create those areas.
Sometimes after investigations,
the effects
can be felt through a location
like a paranormal ripple effect.
Rebecca reveals to us
more information
about a chilling new spirit
that has been brought to life
since Paranormal Challenge
in the Lobotomy Recovery area.
The northern end
of the facility,
we've never had so much activity
as we do now.
Do you think
that was from the team?
I think you did something there.
[ Laughs ]
I think you did something.
It wasn't me,
it was one of the teams. Yeah, sure, sure.
[ Both laugh ]
But, yeah, we've got
in the Lobotomy Recovery area,
which is right around
where you guys were,
we've got someone
who's very consistent.
Consistent with doing what?
Dragging his leg across the way,
you know?
When you're in the room,
you can see him walking
across the end of the hall,
you know, back and forth.
I want to show you
a piece of evidence
that we were given,
and I want you to tell us
if you know anything
about these pictures.
Billy.
Ah.
Have you seen any of these? Yes.
I want to show you
a piece of evidence
that we were given,
and I want you to tell us
if you know anything
about these pictures.
Billy.
Ah.
Have you seen any of these? Yes.
What is this?
You are right now
in the Lobotomy Recovery area.
And we think that may be
the person that's making
all the noise
and scaring everybody.
This figure here?
Yes. Okay.
And we've got probably seven
pictures of him so far.
And he likes to be in different
areas of the asylum.
I've got him
even in the forensics building,
and "forensic" isn't forensics
like we know it now
where you're actually, you know,
looking into this evidence.
Forensic was for
the most violent patients.
It's not like Ward F,
Which is the most violent
of the asylum people.
Right, right.
This is actually they were
committed to the asylum
because they've committed
a violent crime.
So, that's how you get
onto this ward,
and that's what this ward was.
Yeah.
And I've got photos
of him galore,
and he is really creepy
when you can see his face.
Interesting.
Have you seen people
be attacked?
No. I really think that it's all
about your mind when you go in.
I agree.
I was just talking about that
with our last guest.
When you go in there, you can't
be thinking about the negative stuff.
You just have to go in
thinking positive thoughts.
Right.
Be nice.
You know, be respectful.
I mean, it's amazing
the amount of information
you can get out of them
if you ask them the right way.
Don't go into things looking,
"Oh, I'm gonna get harmed"
or, "That shadow figure
walking from there to there
is gonna hurt me."
You know, that's the thrill
that most people want.
But people don't understand,
you know,
there may be an innocent spirit
that is trying to seek
some help or a friendship
or something else from us,
and here we are not knowing
that they're doing this
and we're still provoking
and taunting.
And so, you know,
we've been a big advocate
in sending that message,
you know, lately
in the evolution
of our investigations, too.
Do you just want to...
I just want to see.
I want to communicate.
But you want it all to be nice.
But I know.
I mean, I'm not ignorant.
I understand
that it was a mental hospital.
You know, these people
had problems with their mind.
And do you ever get attacked?
I've had things happen,
like getting sick to my stomach.
I've cried in front of things,
but I've never been scratched
or anything like that.
So, do you provoke?
I don't consider it provoking.
Like, we go in and we'll
mess around and stuff like that.
We make sure we know
where we're doing it,
and we know what entity
we're doing it with.
So, you ask the spirits
to attack you.
Only specific spirits,
but, yes, we do.
I've learned
certain spirits' personalities,
and I would never provoke
certain ones.
And other ones,
I would mess around with.
Are you also aware that you're
dealing with an insane asylum?
Mm-hmm.
And do you think that
by doing that,
you could be putting yourself
in danger?
Oh, yeah. 100%.
Do you want to put yourself
in danger?
Yeah.
Are you waiting
for a big attack?
Do you want to get punched?
Do you want to get scratched?
Do you want to get possessed?
Just be honest, man.
Yeah.
I don't want to be possessed,
but I think the scratching
and everything else,
I think that makes it
more exciting.
Are you just looking
to have that thrill,
or are you just looking
to experience
that spiritual force?
That will prove to me
a lot better...
Than just the noises... Yep.
...the emotions... Yep.
...the EVPs.
You want to feel the belief.
Yep.
I can't write off as easy,
like, staring at my arm
and seeing something appear
than hearing a noise
a couple feet away.
You want that big old...
That big old experience
that's gonna shake you up.
Yeah.
I just made a point to someone
I was interviewing before you
and Trans-Allegheny
Lunatic Asylum
that, many people,
that's the thrill they want,
that's that moment of belief
that they have to have,
is to get attacked,
to get a scratch,
and you're validating this
to me.
ZAK: We've seen that
in some people's quest
to understand the unknown,
they will go to any lengths
to connect to the other side.
He asked for a sign.
She threw a rock at him.
[ Girl giggles ]
BERNIER: Man, I got up.
Man, I was out of...
I left my boots right there.
I was scared.
Do you want to get punched?
Do you want to get scratched?
Do you want to get possessed?
Just be honest, man.
I think the scratching
and everything else,
I think that makes it
more exciting.
We hope that they learn,
as we have,
that the path
to the answers that they seek
is not through aggression,
but through respect and
compassion of the spirit world.
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MAN: Do you hear me?
ZAK: The last several years,
we have explored many locations.
We have met
hundreds of people...
MAN: What you do is so valuable.
...many who have been deeply
affected by our investigations.
Has there been any really dark
[bleep] up [bleep]
that's happened?
You didn't hear?
Hear what?
They killed him.
Are these dark spirits
still plaguing these places...
MAN: No.
...and harming these people?
I can say
that he was responsible
for homicide in the asylum.
It's time to find out.
GHOST ADVENTURES - AFTERSHOCKS - SEASON 1
EP 5 -Palmer House and Mustang Ranch
Yorktown, Texas, is home to
the notoriously haunted hospital
Yorktown Memorial
and its caretaker Mike Henson.
The building saw
thousands of deaths...
How many actual deaths
do you think this place saw?
It could be around 50 a year.
That's about 2,000 deaths.
...and gruesome murders.
There was a murder
in the basement.
And it was supposed to be
a triple stabbing,
double homicide.
We went there to investigate
these deaths and claims
of residual energy
firsthand in 2011,
and we were not disappointed.
What are you gonna do to me?
You want me to suffer?
Since our investigation
over three years ago,
I'm still concerned
about Mike's safety
and the resistance that he's
getting from the community.
He's with us now
to fill us in on that
as well as shocking new
information about the spirits
that are checking in
to the hospital.
Are you still on the property?
Yeah.
You're still there? Wow.
This spring
will be my sixth year.
From being there, documenting
evidence of the spirits there,
it is very active with
paranormal events, phenomena.
Have you ever felt
that you were being affected
by the spirits or the energy?
Because, you know, somebody
that spends a lot of time at...
I mean, I can take about a day,
a night at a place,
doing an investigation,
communicating with spirits,
and I call it
a lockdown hangover,
where it's like I just went out
and partied all night.
And I cannot recoup
for three days after.
How have you been emotionally,
physically, spiritually?
Have you ever had some issues,
some personal issues
on property there?
All the time.
You can get
an overwhelming dread,
or you want to cry
for no reason...
Stuff like that.
Have you done that?
Have you walked in there
and cried for no reason?
Oh, well, no.
I mean, I've come close, yeah.
There ain't no doubt.
And, you know, I've watched
others do the same thing.
You ask them what's wrong
and they're, "I don't know."
[ Laughs ] For no reason.
Bryan Bernier
is a paranormal investigator
and a friend of Mike
who has seen firsthand
the lasting effects that living
on the hospital grounds
has on him.
So, tell me, man,
do you believe in ghosts?
Yeah.
Do you think Mike is affected
by the spirits of the hospital?
Yes, sir.
Yeah. Yes.
And in what respect, Bryan?
Do you think he's, uh...
I think he's bonded to them.
I think they're bonded to him.
Do you think it's changed him
since he's been there?
Yes, sir.
You know, he lives there.
He deals with them every day.
You know, like, I can't
walk in there broad daylight
'cause I feel like somebody's,
you know, behind me
or right there with me.
I always get the goose bumps.
Now, you know,
I've had many ex-girlfriends,
and a lot of them
are ex-girlfriends
because they've come over
to my house
and they've been affected
by what has been attached to me
in the past.
Two weeks after I got home,
I had a girl
who I was dating at the time
have a rosary
get ripped off of her neck,
taken about 50 yards
down my hallway,
placed in a guest bedroom
with the door shut.
And many of them
have been physically affected
by some of these spirits
in the past
when I was having issues.
Thank God I'm okay now.
Things have calmed down.
But many of them have broken up
with me because of this.
It's crazy to say.
Do you have a girlfriend?
I date a lot.
It kind of is exactly
what you just said.
Most girls, you know,
they don't want to really have
that deep of an association
with that hospital.
Have you had girls visit you and
have problems? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
What kind of problems?
Well, a lot of them,
when they're in the trailer...
And even my daughters...
Females, it's almost like
they're not supposed to be
in my trailer.
Why?
Both my daughters, they'll be
laying up in the top part
and they'll get
their legs grabbed,
like they're getting pulled
out of the bed, down the stairs.
Women that I date,
it's always the same thing.
It's a stomach...
You know, they'll feel like
their kidneys
are ready to blow up
or their stomach's hurting
really bad.
Recently, one of them sat up.
Right when she said
her stomach hurt,
I turned and looked at her,
and, you know,
I still can't say
that it wasn't passing,
but when I looked at her,
something black
came out of her back.
Out of her back?
Yeah, out of her back.
And then what happened to her?
She still felt like [bleep]
She did? Yeah.
Yeah, they physically...
A few of them have had
their hair pulled really hard.
You know, I get my hair
tugged on, but, you know,
this is, like,
move your head kind of.
Seen people in my trailer,
but yeah, there's a lot of
activity in there.
And it seems to kick up
when a female enters.
How are you doing now?
Are people breaking in now?
Have you ever been
more threatened?
Oh, yeah.
Yeah?
I get threats. People break in.
Have you ever gotten
into a physical altercation?
Many.
You have? Oh, yeah.
Fights on property there?
Oh, yeah.
What's some stuff
that's happened?
For some reason, they think
that there's nobody there,
it's abandoned or something,
even though there's a, you know,
streetlight on in the back.
And they get offended when
they get caught breaking in.
But I'm offended
that they broke in.
Some of them are drunk or high or
something. Oh, a lot of them, yeah.
Has there been any really dark
[bleep] up [bleep]
that's happened
since we've been there?
You didn't hear?
Hear what?
They killed him.
ZAK: Dark entities
are not the only spirits
at Yorktown Memorial Hospital.
Mike's donkey, named Spirit,
resides there, as well.
This beloved pet of Mike's
was the first thing
we encountered
when we arrived at the hospital,
and one of our
most memorable moments.
[ Snorts ]
A donkey.
Don't ever lunge a donkey's ass.
We get an update
on this treasured animal now.
There's another Spirit
that I want to talk about,
and this Spirit we met
when we were looking for you.
And I'd like to show that.
I don't see anybody, man.
I don't know.
It's right behind you. What the
[bleep] [ Sighs ] You ain't heard?
What the [bleep] is that?
What's that?
It's a donkey! You ain't heard?
What the hell?
Hang on one second.
You didn't hear?
Hear what?
They killed him.
Who did?
If I knew, I'd be in prison.
I don't know.
He was like my kid, man.
So, I would've...
I'd still be in jail, I'm sure.
But he buried
not far from my trailer.
Wow, man.
We all have pets.
I've got a pet dog, Gracie.
And if anybody ever did
anything to her,
I would say the same thing.
I'd be in prison.
How did you cope with the loss?
Not good.
[ Chuckles ] Yeah, that was
my little buddy there,
so, yeah, not good at all.
Broke a lot of things,
threw a lot of things, you know?
How was Mike when that happened?
Freaked out. He loved Spirit.
Really? Yeah, yeah.
What was he going through?
Losing a friend.
It was his friend, you know?
He's got all of us now,
or whatnot,
but, I mean,
it was just a friend, you know?
Spirit was close to him.
He loved Spirit.
Can you tell me what happened?
How did you find him?
Well, the night before he died,
I saw him standing over...
Right where he just came from,
right around that corner.
That first cedar tree,
he was standing under it.
I went up and, you know,
he was just drooling out of
his mouth and he was sweating.
And the guy that castrated him
don't live far away,
and he knows a lot
about donkeys.
So, I called him
and he was like, you know,
"He's been poisoned.
There's no doubt about it."
Who do you think did it,
and why?
Well, there's people there
that don't think
we should be there doing this.
Doing what?
There's people in that town
that are just so uneducated
that they think that we're,
like, exploiting the spirits
or enslaving them,
making them do what we want.
Which you know
is not even a possibility.
But there's people that think we
should not be there doing this.
I know by being
in the paranormal industry,
you get that group of people.
Well, a lot of them we have.
Like, the paranormal
can be really, really...
It can be really nasty
because it is,
when you look at a bigger
picture, it is a belief.
Some people believe in spirits,
and those that don't
tend to do
some really nasty things.
And do you think that this
is the type of scenario here?
Exactly.
So, you believe
that people
are kind of not agreeing with
you allowing people into
the hospital for ghost hunts?
I've had people
at the grocery store
turn around and look and say,
"I'll come back later,"
and walk away,
you know, at the register.
They'll just leave their stuff
because I have an item
behind them.
Mm-hmm.
So, yeah, there's a little
stigma there, you know?
Yeah.
In addition to Spirit's death,
other startling events
have been taking place
at the hospital.
Mike Henson reveals
some remarkable new evidence
about an entity we met
when we were there in 2011.
Let's watch you
telling us about Doug.
I mean, he's a big guy.
You're gonna like him.
His name was Doug Richards.
Down at the end of the hall,
we were asking for Doug,
which is the so-called name
that they call him by.
And about two seconds
after I asked,
from the left-hand side,
right down here at the end,
walked across.
Very, very large shadow.
Looked like
a very, very large man.
Doug was
a heavy-equipment mechanic.
Doug's one
that will walk up to you...
He's walked up and done this
to my face before.
Really?
Yeah, Doug's a...
He's as curious about us
as we are him.
We talked to him on an amp,
you know,
a sound-induction amp
that's been tweaked
to where it's live time.
He passed in '73.
Is this documented?
This is from evidence.
Uh-huh. And when I asked him,
"Doug, where do you
hang out mostly?"
And he goes, "In the basement."
I asked him, "How tall are you?"
And he said,
"I'm tall. I'm 6'4".
You should know that."
'Cause he was the one
that I would see all the time.
And the spirit of Doug
would be telling you all this?
Yeah.
There's a clip that we're gonna
play that you provided with us.
It is a very intelligent,
distinguished Doug.
Bill, roll that Doug EVP.
Doug was
a heavy-equipment mechanic.
Doug's one
that will walk up to you...
He's walked up and done this
to my face before.
There's a clip that we're gonna
play that you provided with us.
It is a very intelligent,
distinguished Doug.
Bill, roll that Doug EVP.
WOMAN: Doug, can you say
your name for us?
That's a pretty clear "Doug."
Yeah.
That's big validation there
that this spirit is Doug.
ZAK: The evidence is confirming
that Doug does indeed
reside in the basement.
From our investigation,
we found evidence
that leads us to believe
that there are other spirits
down there, as well,
that may be interacting
with Doug.
What's interesting is that,
in the basement of the hospital,
we captured some of our
most compelling EVPs to date.
We would get full sentences.
Yeah.
One of them...
Billy, can you play that?
Our digital recorder
we left down in the basement
where the double murder
took place
is capturing some chilling
unexplained voices.
The first one sounds like
a woman moaning in pain.
Pause.
So, now that you're here and
you've lived there for years,
that noise right there,
do you think that
that is an animal?
Or do you think it is a spirit?
That's a spirit.
It is? Yes.
And what do you think, Mike,
from spending
so much time there,
what do you think
this unexplained female moan,
as we called it, is?
Do you think it's a residual
moan of a woman in distress?
'Cause wasn't there a woman
that was said to be killed here?
Well, yeah, but a lot of bad
happened in that basement
when it was a drug rehab.
They overpopulated it
and understaffed it on purpose
to make the cash.
They told the people
that were court-ordered,
"Go downstairs.
Do your time down there."
And so... It was coed.
A female counselor was carrying
on with two male patients.
The guy and the lady
are standing here talking,
the other guy
comes through the door
and he stabbed the lady first,
and then he stabbed the guy.
The guy took his knife
and killed him with it.
And that's their blood.
Starting from...
Yep, I see it.
Do you think that this may be
a residual sound?
It could've been.
There was others in there
that had some bad things
happen to them, too. Okay.
[ Man scream ]
Well, the other things
that these other people
may have had happen to them
may be this next EVP.
ZAK: This next EVP sounds like
a complete sentence,
and what's absolutely shocking
is that it actually speaks
of the double homicide
that occurred down here.
It's... It's very chilling.
Especially the last part. Yeah.
But if you listen to
"it must be told,"
it almost sounds like
there's another spirit
talking to that spirit.
There's another
little voice there
that's I'm just now hearing
right now.
Let me hear it again, Billy.
You hear that, Aaron?
I hear something there.
The voice after
"it must be told."
I hear "kill 'em."
Do you hear it, Mike? Yes.
It is interesting that we
didn't pick that up before,
but the thing
that I like the most
is when we almost eavesdrop in
on two spirits
talking with each other.
And here, now that I'm hearing
that response
after "it must be told,"
it sounds like another spirit
talking with that spirit.
So, it's like
they are communicating
on the other side, still,
about, possibly,
that double homicide.
Right.
When a spirit makes direct
contact with the living,
it can change your life.
Mike has seen these occurrences
happen firsthand
to Bryan Bernier,
who has had a shocking encounter
with a spirit
at the hospital named Stacey.
[ Girl giggles ]
Who do you think
this little girl is?
Her name is Stacey.
We don't know her last name or,
really, what happened to her,
but we know which room was hers.
[ Girl giggles ]
And this Stacey has given
a problem to your friend?
Well, he took it as a problem.
Why? He's just not used to it.
I took it as her communicating.
He asked for a sign.
She threw a rock at him.
So, tell me, man.
Tell me about what happened
with this little girl, Stacey.
Y'all know the hospital,
whatnot,
the office that's up front.
We were all sitting up front
and, uh, I just got this urge
to, you know,
just go down the hallway
and try to do a, you know,
a little session, I guess,
by myself.
I sat down on a chair,
just like this.
I had my cell phone on my lap.
I'm sitting there
trying to talk to Stacey.
I'm not really taunting her,
I just want her to come out
and, you know, see
if I can see her or anything.
Provoking her a little.
That's fine.
Yeah, yeah.
If she's messing with everybody
up front, and I'm by myself,
I wondered
what she would do to me,
and she did.
She was right there.
And I hear her giggle.
[ Girl giggles ]
And then she throws a rock.
And I got up, man.
I was out of...
I left my boots right there.
I was scared.
It was broad daylight,
and Mike and my buddies,
they jumped up. Right.
And they were like,
"What's going on?"
And then the rock got tossed.
And for a big guy,
he can run pretty quick.
Did he see her?
Yeah. He saw her
before she threw the rock.
He asked for a sign.
That's a good sign, you know?
Right.
BERNIER: You know, I didn't
want to look or anything.
I was, you know,
kind of freaked out.
Were you scared?
Yeah. Yeah?
It was...
There's another definition
of scared or fear
when it comes to the paranormal.
There's a feeling
underneath your skin.
The whole energy aspect of this
is something we don't
understand. Right.
And to a lot of people,
that sensation is addicting.
Yeah.
And it brings people
back to locations.
I'm so glad we live there,
'cause we go there all the time.
Do you want to be
attacked there?
In a good way.
Well, how is an attack...
Good way, uh...
You know,
grab me or something, not...
You know, not like throw me
or push me down stairs
or, you know, try to choke me.
As investigators,
we want to get evidence.
Right.
But there's times now
where it's like
I'm in direct contact
with this spirit,
and it's what I want,
it's what this is all about,
it's a special moment,
but it's like now
I'm trying to push them away.
It's just like, you know,
I can't do this anymore.
Got so much of it.
Yeah, you got to go.
You got to get away from me.
Those interactions
are really having an effect
on my body, personally.
Just internally,
my electrical system,
it just drains me, you know?
And we have the evidence to
back up these encounters. Yeah.
Get the [bleep] out of here!
And the longer we stay in it,
I see the more effects we have
emotionally, physically,
you know, mentally.
You start asking yourself,
"Am I really supposed to be
communicating with the dead
this much?"
Right.
"Am I really supposed to be
opening myself up
to the dead this much?"
What does this do
to the living body?
Right, yeah.
Like you said,
it's draining you.
It's just pulling everything
out of you.
It's got to have some effect
on our systems.
These spirits, this energy
is almost like a spiritual drug.
It takes you to another place.
It does. Your emotions change.
It's not your emotions,
it's theirs.
You transport yourself
into someone else's reality.
Right.
And by doing that,
we still, you know...
There should be
some kind of paranormal doctor
studying the effects
and symptoms and side effects
of long-term exposure
to interactions with spirits.
And y'all been doing it
for a long time, too, now, huh?
Yeah.
ZAK: Next, we reconnect
with the employees
at a different kind
of medical facility
with a dark history.
The Trans-Allegheny
Lunatic Asylum
in Weston, West Virginia.
We had an unprecedented
live investigation
that was one of our
most shocking to date.
And the activity
has escalated since.
The current owner,
Rebecca Gleason,
has opened its doors
to the GAC crew, not once,
but twice...
During our "Ghost Adventures"
live event...
GLEASON:
It's all extremely active.
From that door right there
slamming on people,
from shadow figures
darting across the hall,
from black masses to orbs.
...and Paranormal Challenge.
The portals are open.
Let the challenge begin.
Since our investigation,
they have uncovered
groundbreaking information
through historical records
about new spirits who were once
residents of the hospital,
and confirmed them using direct
communication with the spirits.
We sit down with her now
to check in
on those new revelations
since we've last investigated
at the asylum.
The last time I saw you
was Paranormal Challenge.
Yes.
How is
the ghost-hunting business?
Wonderful.
Is it? Every weekend.
So, the people are coming there
still every weekend?
Absolutely. And the preservation
brings them back.
Obviously, every year they want
to come back and see what's new.
And what I really like is,
is how...
And I'm not taking credit
for this.
I'm just stating
that the paranormal,
through television,
a big benefit, I believe,
is it gives
our younger generations
an excitement to learn
the history and to give
a better appreciation
to preserving old buildings.
You're absolutely correct.
And a lot of these places,
they just want to be forgotten.
And you see that Mother Nature's
just consumed them with...
Absolutely. ...all the foliage,
and just...
That's done. That's it.
All of the suffering,
all the stuff
that happened to the people
back in that time.
Just wipe it away.
Yeah, just wipe it away,
whatever.
But I appreciate
what you're doing,
and you're still opening up
for tours,
you're teaching people about
what these people went through.
Absolutely, absolutely.
And you're talking
about the spirits.
Yes, absolutely.
I wanted to thank you, as well.
When you came
for Paranormal Challenge,
you kind of forced me
to jump into our case book.
She's holding a book,
a very special book
that gives me chills.
It details a big majority
of the deaths
that happened
within this building.
Names, occurrences, everything.
It's absolutely amazing.
These case files...
When a patient would come in
from 1890 to 1892,
and those are the years we have,
they would ask them
a series of questions,
16 different questions.
"What is your name?
Where are you from?
"Are you married?
Do you have children?
When were you first struck
by your illness?"
So, we're able to use that
information and research them.
We're putting
all that information,
that historical data,
with the paranormal data.
We have nine people so far
that we can say
that are absolutely
in the building.
And we've been... We've been
able to find even more,
and I think you may have stirred
that up while you were there.
But I also think that some
of the preservation work
in the different areas
is also bringing more people out
'cause I think they feel
more at home.
And that's good.
Yeah, thank you. [ Laughs ]
Yeah, you're welcome. Thank you.
The last I did see you
was on Paranormal Challenge.
The last Aaron saw you
was about five years ago
when we did our live special.
ZAK: Let's put an X in here,
Aaron, and see
if we can maybe capture the dark
figure that was attacking her.
I'll tell you what, everybody
that's watching this...
Billy, you and I were talking
about this last night.
We were going through the show,
and we were just looking
at each other like,
"Wow, we did seven hours live."
You guys were amazing,
I mean, absolutely amazing.
So, when we were there
doing our live special,
there was a moment
where we brought in some guests
and locked them
in seclusion cells.
And what I want to do is,
is I never sat down with you
and kind of went over
some of the evidence from that.
I'd love that.
So, I just want to show you
this one piece.
I don't know if there's
a possible explanation
or if you just don't know
what the hell it is...
I'll do my best.
...but I still remember
this scream.
It's imprinted in my mind,
and it will always be
imprinted in my mind
because it was heard
by several of us.
ZAK: Wait, wait, wait, wait.
Come here, come here.
Hang on a second.
What is that?
What is that?
What was that scream?
Did you guys just hear
that scream?
Yeah. Yes. Loud and clear.
Shh!
Did you hear a female scream?
Yes.
Did everybody hear a
female scream? Yes.
Kelly? MAN: Yes.
Now it's gonna be analyzed.
MAN: Almost sounds like
a girl screaming.
We're wondering if
this could be Lily screaming
or, perhaps, Ruthie.
I mean, talk about
a blood-curdling scream.
Yeah. Do you know what this is?
I've got a pretty good idea.
You do? Yes.
Ward F was the most violent
men's ward.
That's where you guys are
on this video.
Next to that was
the most violent female ward.
Really?
Which is very close
to where you are now.
The women were more feared
than the men in the asylum
'cause you had no idea
what they were gonna do.
I mean, literally,
you go to open a door
and you had to peek through,
you know, to make sure
that there's no one
that's gonna jump on you
right away
when you went
into the women's ward.
I mean, that was, like,
the most feared place.
We've never heard a disembodied,
loud scream like this that loud,
other than
at Rolling Hills Asylum.
What type of evil stuff
did you do?
The [bleep] is that?
This scream...
Inside, I was excited.
I was like, "Yes!"
"Live television...
Please, spirits,
do something, do something."
And it just happened,
and I thought this was awesome.
That is awesome.
And I still, to this day,
always think about this scream
and always wanted to sit down
with you and play this
so that you could give me
some more possible information.
Yeah, that's absolutely...
I would say that's coming
from Ward C.
Right. And, yeah,
it was always loud.
They were always screaming.
I mean, these... It was
the worst of the worst women.
Yeah, yeah.
There's been new information
uncovered about
a gruesome murder
that we learned about
since our investigation in 2009.
Let's talk about the ghosts.
Tell us who the hell Big Jim is.
Big Jim, we can't really discuss
too much about
because we can only talk names
and specific incidences
if it's 52 years or older.
Now, Big Jim was there.
He was there
in the '90s and late '80s.
He was?
He was a real person?
Yeah.
He was a real person.
Who was he?
Can we talk about that or no?
I can say
that he was responsible
for homicide in the asylum.
Oh, he was? Yes.
On Ward F.
So, he killed somebody? Yes.
Tell us who the hell Big Jim is.
Big Jim, we can't really discuss
too much about.
Now, Big Jim was there.
He was there
in the '90s and late '80s.
He was?
He was a real person?
Yeah.
He was a real person.
Who was he?
Can we talk about that or no?
I can say
that he was responsible
for homicide in the asylum.
Oh, he was? Yes.
On Ward F.
So, he killed somebody? Yes.
He had assistance, as well,
with another gentleman
who was on the ward.
Was it the bedpost? Yes.
That was it. Oh. Yes.
So, everybody
that didn't tune in
over five years ago
for the live special,
can you kind of refresh
our memory about this murder,
because that is still imprinted
in my mind
because it's so visual
and graphic.
At the end of Ward F,
which is the most violent
men's ward,
they have a room
where more than one bed can be.
The two gentlemen
we're talking about,
Big Jim and...
We'll call him D...
Okay. Okay.
And D were in the room
with another patient.
They had it in their mind that
they're gonna kill this guy,
and they tied some sheets
above one of the pipes,
and the pipes were very high
in the air,
I'd say probably
18 feet in the air.
But they'd tied some sheets
around the pipe and they kept
strangling this extra patient,
this other patient.
They kept bringing him up
until he would pass out,
and they'd let him down.
Bring him up
until he passed out,
and then they'd
let him down again.
Eventually, they realized
they were gonna get
in a lot of trouble.
And they laid him on the ground,
they put the bedpost
on the side of his head.
On his temple, right here.
On his temple, right here,
and they...
So, he was down like this,
bedpost right was here.
Exactly. And they jumped
up and down on the bed
until it went
through his skull.
It went through his skull.
And then they actually changed
their clothing,
went up to the nurses' station
in the center of this ward
and said, "There's ghosts
down there killing somebody."
Hold on a second.
[ Laughs ]
I didn't get this detail before.
Oh, yeah.
Big Jim and D, the other man
who just passed away...
Yeah... that killed this man,
they dressed up in civilian
clothes? They changed their clothes,
because their clothes
were all bloody.
They changed their clothes,
they went
to the nurses' station...
And said that spirits...
Ghosts were killing people
at the end of the ward.
And that's documented?
They said that?
That's documented, yeah.
Oh, my gosh.
Do you believe
the spirit of Big Jim is there?
We have placed Big Jim
in Ward F,
right beside that room.
And he often communicates
in that room
and outside of the room,
and throughout the entire ward.
That's kind of interesting
'cause he can tell us
specifics
about the time period...
Basically, the 1990s...
That we didn't know already.
And it's all documented,
which is absolutely amazing.
I mean, this is stuff
that you can look up online.
Do you believe that he is evil?
I believe he's violent.
Evil, I would say...
Because you're insane,
I don't think
that's really being evil.
I just...
I just think they
couldn't help it. Right.
You know, there was something
wrong in their minds.
ZAK: Copperhead, an employee
at the Trans-Allegheny
Lunatic Asylum,
opens up to us about
his experiences with a spirit
and former resident
of the institution, Big Jim.
Is he nasty?
He can be.
Has he had an effect
on somebody you know?
Yeah.
Is his name Paul?
Yes.
Paul Cipar is currently
an employee of the asylum.
He lets us in on his connection
to the facility.
So, how the hell did you learn
about Trans-Allegheny
Lunatic Asylum?
I saw your guys' show.
I ended up going online,
saw they did overnight hunts.
Went down for one, kept going
down for more and more and more.
And just became a guide
down there.
How long
have you known Copperhead?
I've known him
basically since the first time
I was down there.
We seem to get
the best evidence.
Any chance we get,
me and Copperhead
go into Big Jim's room together.
The first time
I was ever in Big Jim's room,
Copperhead was using
dowsing rods.
I started feeling
sick to my stomach,
and actually left the room.
COPPERHEAD: Jim has that effect.
If he doesn't want you in there,
you will get sick
and you will have to leave.
I just keep up,
trying to get the session going.
Paul comes back in, and I said,
"Are you still here?"
And over a spirit box,
he got, "F you."
And then there's another voice
that says, "Yeah."
Different voice.
And then Paul... Paul, he says,
"Man, I got to get out of here."
He turns and starts walking out,
and you can hear, "Bye, Paul."
CIPAR: That was the first time
I was ever in there,
and somehow he had
had my name already.
Big Jim was the first experience
I've ever had
walking through an entity.
It was like
stepping into a shower
that you think is warm,
but it's actually freezing cold.
And it just chills you
to the bone.
And it was
just for a split second.
And it's just one of my favorite
places in the asylum to go.
People think I'm crazy for it,
but I like talking to him.
What's been going on
in terms of the activity
since we last saw you?
Well, since you have been there,
we found
a lot of old photographs.
And we're trying to take
the wards
back to the original periods,
and trying to take it back
as old as we can.
So, we've used these photographs
to basically mimic,
and to re-create those areas.
Sometimes after investigations,
the effects
can be felt through a location
like a paranormal ripple effect.
Rebecca reveals to us
more information
about a chilling new spirit
that has been brought to life
since Paranormal Challenge
in the Lobotomy Recovery area.
The northern end
of the facility,
we've never had so much activity
as we do now.
Do you think
that was from the team?
I think you did something there.
[ Laughs ]
I think you did something.
It wasn't me,
it was one of the teams. Yeah, sure, sure.
[ Both laugh ]
But, yeah, we've got
in the Lobotomy Recovery area,
which is right around
where you guys were,
we've got someone
who's very consistent.
Consistent with doing what?
Dragging his leg across the way,
you know?
When you're in the room,
you can see him walking
across the end of the hall,
you know, back and forth.
I want to show you
a piece of evidence
that we were given,
and I want you to tell us
if you know anything
about these pictures.
Billy.
Ah.
Have you seen any of these? Yes.
I want to show you
a piece of evidence
that we were given,
and I want you to tell us
if you know anything
about these pictures.
Billy.
Ah.
Have you seen any of these? Yes.
What is this?
You are right now
in the Lobotomy Recovery area.
And we think that may be
the person that's making
all the noise
and scaring everybody.
This figure here?
Yes. Okay.
And we've got probably seven
pictures of him so far.
And he likes to be in different
areas of the asylum.
I've got him
even in the forensics building,
and "forensic" isn't forensics
like we know it now
where you're actually, you know,
looking into this evidence.
Forensic was for
the most violent patients.
It's not like Ward F,
Which is the most violent
of the asylum people.
Right, right.
This is actually they were
committed to the asylum
because they've committed
a violent crime.
So, that's how you get
onto this ward,
and that's what this ward was.
Yeah.
And I've got photos
of him galore,
and he is really creepy
when you can see his face.
Interesting.
Have you seen people
be attacked?
No. I really think that it's all
about your mind when you go in.
I agree.
I was just talking about that
with our last guest.
When you go in there, you can't
be thinking about the negative stuff.
You just have to go in
thinking positive thoughts.
Right.
Be nice.
You know, be respectful.
I mean, it's amazing
the amount of information
you can get out of them
if you ask them the right way.
Don't go into things looking,
"Oh, I'm gonna get harmed"
or, "That shadow figure
walking from there to there
is gonna hurt me."
You know, that's the thrill
that most people want.
But people don't understand,
you know,
there may be an innocent spirit
that is trying to seek
some help or a friendship
or something else from us,
and here we are not knowing
that they're doing this
and we're still provoking
and taunting.
And so, you know,
we've been a big advocate
in sending that message,
you know, lately
in the evolution
of our investigations, too.
Do you just want to...
I just want to see.
I want to communicate.
But you want it all to be nice.
But I know.
I mean, I'm not ignorant.
I understand
that it was a mental hospital.
You know, these people
had problems with their mind.
And do you ever get attacked?
I've had things happen,
like getting sick to my stomach.
I've cried in front of things,
but I've never been scratched
or anything like that.
So, do you provoke?
I don't consider it provoking.
Like, we go in and we'll
mess around and stuff like that.
We make sure we know
where we're doing it,
and we know what entity
we're doing it with.
So, you ask the spirits
to attack you.
Only specific spirits,
but, yes, we do.
I've learned
certain spirits' personalities,
and I would never provoke
certain ones.
And other ones,
I would mess around with.
Are you also aware that you're
dealing with an insane asylum?
Mm-hmm.
And do you think that
by doing that,
you could be putting yourself
in danger?
Oh, yeah. 100%.
Do you want to put yourself
in danger?
Yeah.
Are you waiting
for a big attack?
Do you want to get punched?
Do you want to get scratched?
Do you want to get possessed?
Just be honest, man.
Yeah.
I don't want to be possessed,
but I think the scratching
and everything else,
I think that makes it
more exciting.
Are you just looking
to have that thrill,
or are you just looking
to experience
that spiritual force?
That will prove to me
a lot better...
Than just the noises... Yep.
...the emotions... Yep.
...the EVPs.
You want to feel the belief.
Yep.
I can't write off as easy,
like, staring at my arm
and seeing something appear
than hearing a noise
a couple feet away.
You want that big old...
That big old experience
that's gonna shake you up.
Yeah.
I just made a point to someone
I was interviewing before you
and Trans-Allegheny
Lunatic Asylum
that, many people,
that's the thrill they want,
that's that moment of belief
that they have to have,
is to get attacked,
to get a scratch,
and you're validating this
to me.
ZAK: We've seen that
in some people's quest
to understand the unknown,
they will go to any lengths
to connect to the other side.
He asked for a sign.
She threw a rock at him.
[ Girl giggles ]
BERNIER: Man, I got up.
Man, I was out of...
I left my boots right there.
I was scared.
Do you want to get punched?
Do you want to get scratched?
Do you want to get possessed?
Just be honest, man.
I think the scratching
and everything else,
I think that makes it
more exciting.
We hope that they learn,
as we have,
that the path
to the answers that they seek
is not through aggression,
but through respect and
compassion of the spirit world.
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