Ghost Adventures: Aftershocks (2014–…): Season 1, Episode 4 - Palmer House and Mustang Ranch - full transcript

MAN: Glenn, help me!
It won't let me!

ZAK: The last several years,
we have explored many locations.

We have met
hundreds of people...

MAN: What you do is so valuable.

...many who have been deeply
affected by our investigations.

Feel extremely unsafe.

Are these dark spirits
still plaguing these places...

No!

...and harming these people?

I feel surrounded.

I feel... [ Gasps ]



It's time to find out.

GHOST ADVENTURES - AFTERSHOCKS - SEASON 1
EP 4 -Palmer House and Mustang Ranch

The Palmer House Hotel,
owned by Kelley Freese,

located
in Sauk Centre, Minnesota,

was one of the most emotionally
traumatic investigations

that we've ever been a part of.

It was built in 1901 on the site
of the Sauk Centre House,

which mysteriously
burned to the ground in 1900.

During our conversation,
Kelley reveals

an astounding secret
she has concealed for years

that may change
the course of history.

Good to see you again.

It's good to see you.

How are you?
I'm well, thank you.



So, listen.

I remember when we investigated
the Palmer House,

the one thing that I noticed
right off the bat

is how emotionally affected
you were by the spirits.

So, I want to just show this
before we go any further, okay?

You okay?

[ Breathes shakily ]

I feel surrounded.

I feel... [ Gasps ]

[ Device beeping ]

Whoa. Whoa, whoa, whoa.

.8.

.8, .5.

Whew, I feel a tightness
in my chest.

I feel like, just,
slammed by it.

Lookit.

This is documenting right now
there's something around you.

Now, what's interesting
about that is that,

when you felt that,
we started feeling it.

And for any skeptics...
Skeptical viewers or whatever...

The Mel meter device,

which measures
for electromagnetic energy,

detected a very unusual spike
and just went away.

So, to have that device validate

what you were feeling
at the same exact time,

I don't think that's just a
coincidence that we should ignore.

And so, since we were there
last, how have you been?

Okay.

And I took you guys' advice,
very much took it to heart,

about needing
to actually remove myself

and learn to take a day off,
and...

Just one day?

Well, that's a start. [ Laughs ]

Were you addicted to that place?
Or are you?

Totally.

You are, aren't you? Yes.

Are you there all the time?

Yes.

Are you a workaholic?

No.

So what is... Why are you
addicted to that place?

What keeps you just wanting
to be there every single second?

Why don't you take a break
from it,

if it's affecting you this much,
Kelley?

Mm.

Mm...

Is there something...

Because I feel a responsibility
to them.

To them. Yeah.

Who's "them"?

To my unregistered guests.

ZAK: Chris Schneider
is a psychic medium

with a deep spiritual
and emotional connection

to Kelley
and the Palmer House Hotel.

We check in with her to see
how deep these connections

have grown
since we've last seen her.

What connection do you have
to not just the building,

but to Kelley herself?

And are you empathetic
to Kelley?

I'm very empathetic to Kelley.

I seem to know when I need to
come to the Palmer House

to either help her or help her
discern what's going on.

She told me in a bit,
during our filming there,

that she saw these dog-wolf-like
creatures with red eyes.

I want to show that to you.

ZAK:
And now, Kelley opens up to us
about an apparition

she once witnessed
in this very same spot.

FREESE: There was a large,
black dog-wolf.

Creature-looking thing?

Yes.

And red eyes.

Kelley, that's not good.
That's demonic.

[ Sighs ]

Yeah.

In my experiences,
hearing something like that,

when there's no real black dog
with glowing red eyes, you know,

what is this?

A spirit of a little kid? No.

No.

[ Growling ]

There was a time
when you went into the basement,

where it was like you were
being channeled through.

And you kept saying,
"The dogs are coming. The dogs are coming."

You need to talk to me.

NICK: I think we need to
pull her away from the area.

The dogs are down here, and I've
got to take care of them.

Time to go away.
Oh, bup-bup-bup-bup-bup! Chris?

Do you believe that the dogs
that you're referring to

are the same type of dogs
that she was seeing,

the evil creatures?

Whoever I had channeled

was trying to communicate
his time frame, his dogs.

But I also think,

had the connection
not been broken with us,

I think I might have
gotten more information

about the dogs
with the red eyes.

But I understand what happened

and how everybody
was overly concerned about me

and had to get me away
from that area.

NICK: Time to go away.
Oh, bup-bup-bup-bup-bup! Chris?

Is this a human spirit?

[ Sighs ]

No.

Is it a demon?

I don't think so.

It doesn't...

It doesn't present itself
in that fashion.

It does if you're looking for it
to do that.

Right.

And it tries to trick you.

So, in essence,
that could be very demonic.

It would be far more active.

It would be far more...
It would be doing things

that are worse
than what's going on there.

So I don't believe that that one
is as active as it used to be.

Okay.

I do know of that one,

and he is called
"He Who Walked With Man."

ZAK:
We're talking to Chris Schneider

about a powerful
and ancient entity

that has
an overwhelming presence

at the Palmer House Hotel.

Is this a human spirit?

[ Sighs ]

No.

Is it a demon?

I don't think so.

I do know of that one,

and he is called
"He Who Walked With Man."

Since we left, have you had
any negative experiences there?

And I'm asking you
to get very personal,

but you don't have to.

I just think that, you know,

we really want to see
what is affecting you

and if there's something deeper
that we should know about

that could possibly
be influenced

by the spirits at your hotel.

I've...

As far as
when you guys were there

and that interview happened...

I feel surrounded.

I feel... [ Gasps ]

...I'd never had anything
like that happen before,

and I've never had it happen
again.

What do you think that was?
Who do you think that was?

I can say I felt it was male,

that it very much felt like
a male dominating presence.

Almost felt a little bit like

it was somebody that felt like

maybe they deserved
to be in front of the cameras

and not me.

Do you think this human spirit
likes you

or wants you to leave?

I... wouldn't say they like me.

Do I think we've reached
a bit of an impasse?

I mean, even during
that interview, I-I...

Parts of it I do remember,
because I don't...

There's parts
that I've never remembered.

Were you kind of blacking out?

There are just blanks.

I don't even really
know what happened.

I remember when you
so kindly came to me

and said, "Kelley,
let's get you out of here."

And I just said,
"No, I need to do this.

This is my place,

and, you know, I'm not going to
be bullied, either."

Well, there's no better feeling,
on our part,

than helping someone
any way we can.

This is a...
This is a weird field.

We don't understand
a lot of things.

But we understand the feelings
and the emotions

that other people are having

from things that other people
don't understand

and may think that we're crazy.

And, you know,
it's a powerful thing.

It felt really good
to just be there for you

and to try to help you.

And you seem to be very strong.

And what you just told me
is the most important thing
that I've heard,

is you don't want to be bullied.

And that's a message that I send

to all my fans,
viewers, everyone,

in the real world
and in the spirit world.

You stand strong,

and whatever that force is
that's trying to bully you

will eventually submit.

But I still have a concern
for what spirits they are.

And you said that

that was the last time you felt
the impact of that energy,

during our interview.

Well, our Mel meter and our
electromagnetic field detector

wasn't the only thing
documenting evidence

during that emotional outbreak
that we all felt.

We also got some hard-core EVPs

that seems to suggest
a powerful man,

and I'd like to play these EVPs.

We regroup with Kelley to review
a series of very unsettling EVPs

we captured during
our earlier interview with her.

I mean, usually I'm happy
to show people good EVPs.

This is the one time
where I'm not.

Obviously there's something
right here,

as you can see it
on the wave form.

ZAK: .7.

I hear "I'm following her."

.7.

.7.

That is precisely
what it sounds like.

To further prove the legitimacy
of this EVP,

we play it back directly from
the recorder that captured it.

.7.

Are you okay? FREESE: Yeah.

Wow.

NICK: On that EVP,
right before you hear the EVP,

the Mel was going off.

[ Static ]

The Mel meter was picking up
probably the same energy

that was having
an emotional effect on you.

Pause, Billy.

What's interesting about this is
that I pick up on that Mel meter

alarming at the same time
the EVP came through,

which I believe the Mel meter
was indicating

the disruption
in the electromagnetic field

being generated by that antenna,

which would be the spirit
giving that voice.

Can you continue, Billy?

This is a creepy one.

[ Warbling ]

I'm hearing,
"They're coming to get you."

[ Warbling ]

To have Class "A" EVPs...

That's good, Billy.

That EVP was the most disturbing
for me.

'Cause there was
all that vocal tone in it.

And we matched it when we,
you know, captured it,

the time when we captured it,

and there was no contamination
there.

It was a crisp, clean EVP
caught in silence with tone.

"They're coming to get you."

Interestingly enough,

in that room
where you were interviewing me,

when I had seen the image,
I had been in the room,

and it was actually
in that doorway.

It was even
right in that same area.

Do you think what you saw

could possibly be connected
with this dark, deep voice

saying
"They're coming to get you"?

What do you think this voice is?

Do you think these voices
are all being directed at you?

[ Sighs ]

The part about
"They're coming to get you,"

I'm not so sure
they weren't coming to see you.

Really? Could possibly be us?

Yes. Yes. Yeah, okay.

ZAK: Spirits can take many forms,
as we've seen in this case.

While we can't
determine its origin,

it's obvious that it continues

to affect those
it comes into contact with.

We talk with Chris
to get more insight on this.

What do you think
is affecting Kelley?

Kelley is the guardian.

That's what I said. She is.

She's the guardian
of the Palmer,

she's the guardian of all
the spirits that are there.

It's the Palmer-House effect.

It's walking in there, it's
falling in love with the hotel,

and it's liking
the homey atmosphere.

I know how crazy that sounds,
falling in love with a hotel.

No, it's not crazy.

But it's that way.

It's the people that are there,
it's Kelley.

It's how she treats her guests.
It's how she treats her staff.

She's there to guard everything.

I believe it's possible that
the spirits of the Palmer House,

like you say, are possibly there

because they may like
the energy of Kelley.

Mm-hmm.

And because of that,
do you think

there's a spiritual war
of who gets to her?

And also, you know,
"We want this done.

We want you to find this."

Yes. Absolutely.

Do you think
it's kind of like that?

You know,
"I don't want you in charge.

I'm in charge."

Do you think
there's multiple spirits?

Because Kelley
is a very, very nice woman.

Very good person. I like her.

And I care about her.

And I hate to see
anyone in distress

or emotionally affected
by, you know, spirits.

You being a psychic medium,
do you think she's in danger?

I don't believe she's in danger.

I really, truly believe that...

she needs to be very careful
on...

How much she opens up? I agree.

...how much she opens up,
who she lets in.

Do you think that
she's opened up too much?

I think at a couple of periods
of time, she has,

but I don't think
she's opened up...

She's not opened at that point

where evil or demonic forces
will come in.

Are you 100% on that?

I don't think I can be 100%.

Now,
there's something interesting

that you have not
been public about,

that you fear
going public with this

could cause people
to break in to your hotel,

could cause people
to destroy it, vandalize it.

But for the first time,

you feel it's important
to go public about this.

Yes.

ZAK: We are sitting down with the
owner of the Palmer House Hotel,

Kelley Freese, who is revealing
astonishing new information

recently uncovered

that could change the course
of her life forever.

Now,
there's something interesting

that you have not
been public about,

that you fear
going public with this

could cause people
to break in to your hotel,

could cause people
to destroy it, vandalize it.

But for the first time,

you feel it's important
to go public about this.

Yes.

There was a famous American
novelist named Sinclair Lewis

that actually won
the Nobel Prize for literature.

This famous playwright, as well,

used to work at the hotel
that you now own.

Is that correct?

That's correct.

Is it true that a man
that is now deceased

told you that Sinclair Lewis
hid something in your walls?

Yes.

Are you okay with stating this?

Because you know and I know

with what's possibly hidden
in the walls in your hotel

could be worth a lot of money.

Yeah.

What did this man tell you?

He shared this story with me

probably 8 or 10 years ago
himself.

And he had gotten the story

from somebody
that knew Sinclair Lewis.

Did Sinclair live in the town
where your hotel is?

Yes. It's his boyhood home.

And for a period of time,
he worked at the hotel.

And he worked there, I believe,
three different times.

He actually lived there,
as well.

And, interestingly, in many
of Sinclair Lewis' works,

he writes about real places
and real people,

but he just gives them
alias names.

So, if you were to read
any of his novels,

when he goes back and refers
to the Minniemashie House,

that is actually the
Palmer House he's referring to.

Now, Kelley,
I want you to tell us,

what did this man tell you is
hidden in your basement walls?

History tells us
that Sinclair Lewis,

working at the Palmer House,

was hired and fired and hired
and fired a few different times.

Working as a night clerk,
he wasn't getting his work done.

And he said, basically,

that Sinclair Lewis
was writing at night.

Manuscripts.

And he would go hide them
in the basement in the morning

before everybody was up and
about and people came to work

and that he would be able
to retrieve them

when he came back to work
and continue working on them.

So, do you believe

that there are still
Sinclair Lewis manuscripts

hidden in the walls
in your hotel?

I thought it seemed very
plausible and very possible.

I never did anything about it

because I wouldn't have known
where to begin

and how to proceed,

because something like this
being conducted

would need to be well-documented
and done with authenticity.

And, again, it's a big basement.

Where do you even start looking?

And one day, I randomly decided

to attempt doing an EVP session
with him.

Trying to contact
the spirit of who?

Sinclair Lewis himself.

Do you believe that
you came in to communication

with Sinclair Lewis?

Yes, I do.

What did Sinclair Lewis
tell you through EVP?

With as many investigations
as I've worked with,

with people at the hotel,

this was, by far,
the most profound EVP session

I've ever had
or ever been witness to.

The answers were concise
and to the point and spot-on.

And through
a process of elimination,

going through the basement

and trying to explain to him
the location I was in

and what he might
remember it as,

as opposed to
what I was seeing today,

and we actually isolated it

to one very specific wall
in one very specific room.

Did you start
tearing that wall down?

I've done nothing.

You've done nothing yet.

Wow, what a story,

if you were able to find these
and be directed to the location

by the spirit of Sinclair Lewis.

The fascinating thing for me is,
since that has happened

and additional research
I have done,

based on what, at the time,

seemed like some very obscure
things that were in the EVP

now make perfect sense to me.

And I've never felt
more solid belief

in that this is something
that needs to be done

and he wants done

and that
there's a part of history

that needs to be righted
and given him his credit due

and the respect that I, again,
I believe he's due as a spirit.

What are you gonna do if you
find these manuscripts, Kelley?

I can't even fathom that.

I don't go there.

I just...

He was the first American
to win the Nobel Prize, and...

...this is of such
historical significance,

I can't even
wrap my brain around it.

But to imagine knowing
you're being...

...you're witnessing
history happening

is...

[ Voice breaking ]
I just can't put it into words.

I want to do this for him.

What are you gonna do if you
find these manuscripts, Kelley?

I can't even fathom that.

ZAK: Kelley just revealed to us

a mission given to her
by Sinclair Lewis

to unearth his manuscripts
hidden in the basement.

Do you believe that the spirit
of Sinclair Lewis

is having an effect or haunting
your friend Kelley?

I do.

I have seen Sinclair Lewis
there.

You have?

I have not had a conversation
with him, but I saw him briefly.

Our eyes met, and he was gone.

Do you believe
that it is Sinclair

that could possibly
be having this effect on you

the whole time?

And maybe some other, darker
spirits trying to prevent this?

I don't doubt that
there's battles that go on...

In the spirit world,
between themselves.

Absolutely.

I agree.

I don't know what that's about.

Do you feel
that this is your mission,

to go through with this
and to find these manuscripts?

I think
it's more about the event

and the possibility
of revisiting him,

the talented man that he was.

And yet, I think

incredibly misunderstood
and misrepresented.

I think the opportunity...

for me to maybe...

clean things up a little bit.

Did you have a passion
or interest in Sinclair Lewis

before you owned this hotel?

Strangely enough, no.

Not with any intent.

But when I look back in my life,
it's astounding to me.

A major project that we did
in 6th grad,

I randomly did
on the city of Sauk Centre.

Mm-hmm.

I've always believed that...

...yeah, I was brought to
the Palmer House for a reason,

this is where I needed to be.

And I always felt
that there was...

there was more to it, though.

Not more for me...

but that there was more to it.

A bigger picture... Yeah.

...spiritually...

than just preserving
an old building.

Yeah.

Something from the past that
doesn't want to be forgotten.

And through some connection
since you were little

has somewhat guided you to this
hotel through synchronicities.

And now
you're getting really close

to finding out
what your story is all about.

I've always felt there was...

There was something more
to come.

I had no idea what,
and I wasn't looking for it.

I was just patiently waiting
for it to happen.

If these manuscripts
are indeed interred

in the basement
of the Palmer House Hotel,

it could be life-changing
for Kelley

and rock the literary world.

Only Kelley
can decide the next steps

for her future
in the hidden manuscripts.

But we know that the lines
of communication will be open

between us and Kelley

as the next chapter progresses
in the Sinclair Lewis story.

Now, we're talking to
some ladies at the Mustang Ranch

about new violent attacks
since our investigation in 2013.

If you were
to just ballpark count

how many ladies
at the Mustang Ranch

have been attacked
or severely affected

by negative spirits or entities
since it's been open,

how many would you say?

I would at least say 40 to 50.

Okay. At least.

In a negative way.

ZAK:
Now we're paying a return visit

to some ladies
at the Mustang Ranch,

a brothel located
in Reno, Nevada.

We investigated this location
in 2013

and were highly disturbed
by the brothel's dark history

of murder and violence.

Spirits have been attacking
the employees here for years,

and the activity
has only gotten worse.

We sit down with Tara Cann,
manager of the Mustang Ranch.

The whole point of us
doing our investigation there

was to try and investigate

why some of these women
are being attacked by something.

Let's watch that.

A lot of the girls refuse
to come in this building anymore

because of the ghosts.

It's all taken place
down "B" hall...

...especially B-1.

Girls have been
held down in there.

By their customers?

No, by some sort of entity,
like a bad spirit.

So, this is "B" hallway.

This is B-1,

where none of the girls
will come into

because they feel
extremely unsafe in this room.

So, what has happened
since we've left?

The building
you guys investigated,

nobody works in that building
anymore.

And since you guys
have been gone,

we transported
all those paintings

up to our main building
from that one.

From that section?

And I swear, ever since then,

it's been chaos
in that building.

I do want to talk to you
about another woman.

Uh-huh. Okay?

And this woman I have not met,
and her name is Lucy.

Uh-huh.

Can you kind of
shed some light here

and tell me what's going on
with Lucy?

So, Lucy, she's had activity
in her room

for probably
the last several years.

I would say at least
the last couple of years.

And it's like the sound
of a shower coming on.

It's almost like the "psh."
And then it shuts off.

Every time she hears it, she
gets up and goes in the bathroom

to see if it's on
or if there's anything wet,

and it's nothing.

And she'll hear it
turn back off.

She had a horrible nightmare
one night.

It was about a father and a kid,

and she'll tell you
the rest of it,

but she knows there's something
in her room,

she's aware of it.

She doesn't know if
it was good or bad.

She knows something was there.

I think at this point,
I'd like to talk with Lucy...

I think she should.

...yeah... and see
exactly what happened.

Lucy has worked at the ranch

since its reopening
over 11 years ago.

She has been affected
by the paranormal trapped there

since day one,

and she lets us in
on the heightened activity

she's been experiencing
since our investigation there.

She has requested
to stay anonymous,

so we've hidden her identity.

Okay, let's get right to it.

Are you experiencing
some weird things

at the Mustang Ranch?

Yes, I have.

Have you ever been affected
by a ghost, a spirit,

or just weird,
unexplained things?

Yes.

Most of it happened
in the shower,

so I just assumed it was a man
who had a crush on me.

Can you tell me about
a dream that you had?

I had this dream...
A boy who was about 8 years old,

and his father was screaming
to him in the background,

"Don't go in that room!"
What room?

My room.

Well, he proceeds
to come into my room,

he gets on top of me,
he's about to choke me out.

I wake up screaming
at the top of my lungs.

[ Echoing ] No!

I sleep with my phone next to me
every day.

I grab my phone, I press record,
and what do I see?

Either the number 13
or the letter "B."

On the ceiling?

Yes. Okay. Wow.

I want to
refresh everybody's minds here

that this was one of
the most bizarre cases

that we've been on,

because how many women
are being attacked here?

If you were
to just ballpark count

how many ladies
at the Mustang Ranch

have been attacked
or severely affected

by negative spirits or entities
since it's been open,

how many would you say?

I would at least say 40 to 50.

Okay. At least.

In a negative way.
In a negative way.

Like, it would be a higher
number just being messed with.

Okay.

These attacks may stem from a
murder that happened to Oscar...

Bonavena... Bonavena.

Uh-huh.

Or it could precede that,

in the days
of the Native American Indians.

Who's Oscar Bonavena?

He was a boxer that Sally
Conforte had relations with.

Had an affair with? Mm-hmm.

Now, Joe Conforte started
the Mustang Ranch, correct?

Mm-hmm.

His wife began having an affair
with a professional boxer.

He was a professional boxer.

And Joe Conforte found out.

Yes. And what happened?

Well, he came here to see Sally,

and so he was standing
at the gates,

and the guard shack
was in the back

of the highest point
of this building,

and somebody shot him
from the guard shack.

Dead.

So, when we arrived,

I remember, right off the bat,
a woman actually quit.

The day we receive.

We didn't even
get to interview her.

She quit. Yes.

So, we were able to interview
a housekeeper, okay?

And this housekeeper had one of
the most priceless reactions

ever... Oh, God, Blanca.

...when we showed her
a picture of Oscar.

Have you seen the ghost?

Yes.

You've seen the ghost? Yes.

With your own eyes? Yeah.

We're just having Jose step in
to help translate a little.

She can describe the person.

Can we get a picture of Oscar?
You have it?

Yeah.

You want to see if that...

CARRANZA: Yeah.

It's okay. It's okay. It's okay.

This was him? Yes.

Yes, it's him.

Yeah? Mm-hmm.

Oscar Bonavena.

[ Chuckles ]

Is Oscar Bonavena there
haunting there?

Yeah, possibly.
Possibly, yeah. Yeah.

But is he the one
that is attacking all the women?

Probably not.

ZAK: Jan Tufford is a psychic
that was called in by Tara

to help clear the ranch
of unwanted visitors

and get some answers
for the women working there.

Do you believe
that a lot of working ladies

at the Mustang Ranch

have indeed been attacked
by some type of negative entity?

Um...

There is a negative entity
there.

I don't know if that's
who attacked them.

We did go down "B" hall,

and I was in 1 and 2,
where the bathroom adjoins.

There's a chair as you
walk through the bathroom,

and it sits
right in the corner there,

and there was a gentleman
sitting in the chair

when we walked into the room.

Okay. Who do you think that
gentleman is? Oscar Bonavena?

It was Oscar.
It was definitely Oscar.

Do you think he has
negative intentions
towards the women there?

No, I don't. No.

I don't think
he's the negative entity.

Who do you think is?

I think it's an entity.

I don't think it's a person.

Okay. A demonic entity?

Yes. Okay.

And I believe
it's in the grounds there.

Do you think that if there are
demons at the Mustang Ranch

that are attacking
all these women,

that they are
feeding off of them,

they're feeding off
their energy,

they're feeding off of, possibly,
the sexual energy, too?

CANN: Any type of... There's so
much energy in those buildings,

just negative, positive.

And I truly believe that.

And so that's why
I second-guessed myself

on Oscar Bonavena
being the bad spirit,

is because there's just
different stories, too,

and I truly believe that it's
feeding off all these energies.

Well, you know, the main problem
that I have, too,

is that Oscar Bonavena
was a human being.

Yeah.

He was a respected boxer.

And he was shot and killed. Yep.

And the one thing that I want to
do is not accuse him...

Exactly.

...of doing all of this
to all these women.

Because I really don't want to
do that, to send that message,

to make accusations
of somebody that's dead...

Yeah.

...and, more importantly,
telling them

that they're responsible
for attacking women.

It's not right.
You almost want to do that,

because you don't
want to believe

there's demons
and something bad in there.

So it's almost easier to believe
it's coming from this, you know?

Well, it's theorizing, you know?

And when somebody gets attacked
or something bad happens,

they immediately want to blame
somebody so they get closure.

Exactly.

ZAK: We've been talking to women
from the Mustang Ranch

about recent spirit attacks.

Lucy, an employee at the ranch,
has revealed new information

about a spirit that has
been communicating with her.

She further explains
this activity.

You're not the only woman that
has experienced weird things

at the Mustang Ranch,

having to do with
the spiritual side of things.

Right.

Tara just told me that there's
been upwards of 30, 40, 50 women

that she can remember that have
had negative experiences...

Attacks and whatnot.

Right.

Do you have any friends
that have been attacked?

There was a girl who said there
was a couple different times

where she had been attacked.

By the bad ghost here?

By the ghost here.
But you know what? They also...

And she had marks on her?

She had marks
on her breasts.
She did?

Mm-hmm.

I am probably
one of the only girls

that has a good protector spirit
in my room.

So this is a good one? Yes.

Not a negative one? No.

And I call him Baby.

But that's before I found out
it was a woman this whole time.

The spirit is a woman?

Yes.

And that was her way of showing,
"I'm here, I'm your protector."

It's clear on the ceiling.

And the father knew that.

So the father was warning the
kid, "Do not go in that room."

Now, the one that thing
that I do notice

is a very, very bright light
coming through this window.

And within these blinds,

there are those little tiny
slits where the strings go.

You know, as an investigator,

I have to
take into consideration

that that could possibly be
light reflecting through there

casting a projected image
on the ceiling.

I don't know, though.

Now, are you the one
that told Lucy

that it's a woman, not a man?

Right. Okay.

'Cause I asked her, I said, "You
have something old in your room

that's pulling this person."

And I said,
"It's definitely a woman."

She goes, "No, it's a man."

And I'm going,
"No, it's a woman."

Of course, I could not
believe it was a woman,

because all the activity
was in the shower.

Are you sure that Baby
is still not a man?

Just because a psychic medium
told you that it's a woman,

are you sure
that you 100% believe

that this psychic is spot-on?

Of course, now,
it all makes sense.

Why?

The only thing in that room

that I've had with me
since day one

is a painting of an islander
woman with a coconut bra,

Bronze Beauty.

And where she feels comfortable
is in the water,

and that's why all the activity
happens in the shower.

The woman in the painting,
the islander woman in the beach,

is Baby.

Yes. Okay.

She's the spirit
that's in the room.

Yes. Okay.

And she likes the water.

Obviously. She's an islander.
She's got a coconut bra on.

Right, right. Yes.

And so she likes to
turn the shower on.

Yes. Okay.

Have you ever just thought
that it's Oscar Bonavena

that's in your room
screwing with you?

No, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no.

No? You're very adamant on that.

No. There is no bad activities
going on in my room.

I think it was this woman's way

of letting her know
she was there.

But it's just...
She's here to protect you.

I just think, when somebody's
affected by a spirit,

I just think that
when you tell them things

and that they're okay,
you have nothing to worry about

in a place
where there is something dark...

We both agree on that. Yeah.

I think she knows
she needs to be cautious.

At least
we've talked about that.

And have you told her that?

Yes. We've had conversations,

and, you know, the person that
is with her is always with her.

The spirit?

The spirit or her guide or
however you want to verbalize it

is always with her,

whether she's there
or she's here.

Mm-hmm.

You know, I'm not
arguing with you on that.

I'm just stating that I believe

that everybody should keep their
guard up in a place like that

and not open themselves up
to a particular spirit

that, you know, you think is
just this protective entity.

We don't know what's around us.

But I just don't know
if I would ever

tell somebody in a place
that is very dark

and where so many people
are being attacked,

in serious situations,
that, you know,

they have nothing
to worry about,

this spirit
is simply your guardian.

Do you agree that demons
and demonic entities

can manipulate,
can play tricks on people

and do that?

Yes. Okay.

Did it ever cross your mind
that this may be

this darker spirit
that's attacking the other women

that is getting Lucy
to be like this?

No.

ZAK: It is still unclear

where the attacks that
the other women are experiencing

are coming from.

But it is clear that
they are leaving lasting effects

at the Mustang Ranch.

Our connection
to the spirit world

can provide a lot of things,
one of them being answers.

We've seen that these answers
can give comfort...

That was her way of showing,
"I'm here, I'm your protector."

...and, at times,
give us a mission.

FREESE: This is something that
needs to be done and he wants done.

There's a part of history
that needs to be righted,

given him his credit due.

Whatever these spirits tell us,
we can only hope

that we are listening
close enough to hear it.

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