Deadly Possessions (2016–…): Season 1, Episode 3 - Episode #1.3 - full transcript
Something is going on in nerve center.
In the most extreme cases, heart attack.
Is it true that
they can't find his head?
Since I was a young boy,
I've been collecting
haunted artifacts,
drawn to the dark and mysterious
energy they carry.
The Manson murders
will go down as one of
the most heinous crimes
of all time.
Through my career as
a paranormal investigator,
I've been able to build
my collection.
Now, I'm building a museum.
The Conjure Chest
is one of the deadliest
haunted artifacts in existence.
Robert the Doll has
affected thousands of people.
And providing a
place for people to bring
their haunted items
and hear their stories.
We aid people
into coming into the world.
Why can't we aid them
in exiting it?
These are my deadly possessions.
My name's Jayne Harris
from Stourbridge, England.
I'm currently the owner
of a doll named Peggy.
It all started when I posted
a photo of her online
and received hundreds of
responses from people
all over the world
who were experiencing
serious, potentially
fatal health issues
as a result of seeing her.
At this point,
we're really not sure what to do next.
And I would welcome Zak's help.
Why does the doll
have a sack on its head?
Honestly, she...
hasn't been around many people,
and when she has,
things have happened,
so...
In the most extreme cases,
heart attack.
So... people,
when they look at the doll,
they've had a heart attack.
Had heart attacks, yeah.
That's interesting, um...
It's interesting,
because when I initially showed
a picture online of the doll,
we had about
30 messages overnight.
These people are experiencing
these things
just by looking
at a picture of her?
We have a folder
of statements from people.
- I know for sure...
- ...Still have tingling...
...Had a
sharp pain in my chest.
Over the past year, um,
about 200 I would say, I guess.
I got the
feeling I couldn't breathe.
I got a pain in my right eye.
- Lights turned off--couldn't see.
- I had to lie down.
I have felt
like someone is in my home.
And it was incredible,
because we weren't sharing--
we weren't making it public
that anything was going on
for anyone.
Who do you believe the doll
is possessed by,
and why was the doll
given the name Peggy?
Back in February,
a psychic medium gave us
the name of a lady he was
connecting with called Peggy.
How do you think
that this doll has the power
to infect those
just by looking at a picture
of it on Facebook or online?
- I've never seen this before.
- We don't understand that, I mean,
whether it's--whether it's
a case that the spirits
are aware when someone takes
an interest in them.
While there isn't
a lot of documentation
about Peggy's history, we do
know she was made in England
in the late 1960s.
The original owner
bought the doll,
um, just at a sale,
and pretty much straightaway,
things started happening
in her home.
She would hear footsteps.
She would wake up at 3 a.m.
and feel that there was someone
in the room,
and she became more and more fearful.
She lost weight,
she couldn't eat.
She had nausea, migraines.
The original owner was
overwhelmed by Peggy's power,
so she sought out someone
to take the doll off her hands.
She contacted me,
because she'd been online
googling haunted objects,
came across--
it's what we do, I've been
studying this kind of thing
for about 17 years...
experienced a touch...
So you specialize in this.
- I've had some experiences, yeah, nothing like this.
- Okay.
Um... this has kind of thrown out
- all my theories and ideas on what the
spirit world's about -
to be honest.
Is it something dark
that's with the doll?
All of a sudden,
I'm being plagued by flies.
I've never seen flies in here.
So, yeah.
Flies, infestation of flies.
Does Peggy--
does Peggy bring flies with her?
As we're talking
about demonic stuff.
I don't--I don't know.
There's so much about her
that we don't know,
and as I said,
the longer she's with me,
the more questions
I've got--I just don't...
it's what's fascinating,
but it's also what's terrifying, as well,
which is the paranormal,
I guess.
That's weird.
Do you see all of them?
- Yeah, I see them flyin' around you.
- They're like...
there's flies all around me--
I've never seen flies in here,
and they're all
just flying around me,
and there's a bunch of them.
Isn't that, there.
There it is, yeah.
It keeps buzzing around me,
and--and I think
we all know
the manifestation of flies
in demonic presences.
Um... I'm not concluding anything,
however, it is very interesting.
- And you're asking me questions, and maybe it's...
- Yeah.
So I'm a little nervous.
Dolls is one of my phobia.
But just having a doll over
there with a sack over its face
is probably one of the more
unnerving things that I've seen.
Um...
It could get more unnerving.
If you choose to have
a look at her.
Sounds like a challenge.
Could be.
Before I see Peggy for myself,
I need to know
the risks involved.
Katrin Reedik is here to tell me
about the heart attack
that almost took her life.
She traveled all the way
to Las Vegas,
hoping I can provide some help
to give her closure.
Can you tell me,
exactly what happened
with--with you and this Peggy?
My heart was racing like
a running racing horse,
and I didn't feel good.
How close in proximity
to when you saw
this video of Peggy
did you have the heart attack?
Just minutes.
- Just minutes.
- Within minutes?
Yeah, within minutes.
It was so strange.
I went to hospital,
and they confirmed
that there was changes
in my heart.
Before the Peggy video,
I didn't have any health issues.
And then my GP confirmed
it was heart attack,
and I'm still shaking.
Every time I'm speaking
about this, I'm shaking,
and I don't feel good.
I can't see any pictures
about Peggy or any videos,
because I feel I'm going mad
after this.
I have two children
that I need to raise,
and they have nobody.
Sorry.
It's all right.
It's okay.
This has been hard?
It's hard, really hard.
It's hard to explain
to my children
what's happening to their mom.
Why she's in the hospital,
or what she's really feeling right now.
It's hard.
Mmhm.
They don't understand--
they're too young for this,
but they know that something
is happening to their mom.
Sorry.
It's okay.
But... are you gonna be okay?
Yeah.
I hope.
Do you think that...
that this doll had something
to do with it?
I don't think the doll,
but what's inside it.
You know, at the beginning,
I was going to ask you
to bring Peggy
and all that, but...
- No, no.
- No, I'm not going to.
- No.
- I'm not going to, okay?
- Why don't you get up and take...
- Zak.
Okay, something is
going on in nerve center.
I am talking to Jayne
Harris, owner of Peggy the Doll,
who is allegedly
responsible for causing
serious health problems
all over the world.
So since so many people online
have had these getting sick
and whatnot, I feel like
I have a liability,
like I need to issue
a liability to the camera.
What would happen if we take
the sack off of Peggy's head
and show her face
to our audience
through the video cameras?
Is that...
Why are you shaking
your head for?
It could be interesting.
It could be really interesting.
It would be interesting.
Okay, but... I don't want my
viewers to get sick or anything.
I don't know
what to do right now.
I think, with anything
paranormal,
you... if you don't take
the plunge, you don't get
the answers that maybe you want.
Well, she's already been
listening to me, you know,
so let's... let's do it.
Why don't you get up and take...
Zak... Zak.
Okay, we have a red light
blinking up here right now.
That means that something is
going on in nerve center.
- Will you hold on, please?
- Yes, yeah.
- Are you serious?
- Yeah.
So...
There are cameras
running throughout the museum
at all times, and whenever
I'm conducting an interview,
Billy is here
in the control room,
monitoring these feeds.
When Jayne and I are discussing
removing the sack
from Peggy's head...
I think, with anything
paranormal,
if you don't take the plunge,
you don't get
the answers that maybe you want.
...the feed from the camera in
the ballroom cuts out suddenly
when all the other cameras
continue working perfectly.
I have to wonder if Peggy does
not want us to see her face.
Is this a warning?
If it is, I cannot change
my mind now.
I need to know
what is under this sack.
Everyone that's watching this
right now, um,
Peggy's face is
about to be revealed.
We will film her face,
so you will see it.
Warning to all our viewers,
Peggy the Doll's face
is about to be revealed--
by viewing,
you understand
the risks involved.
Go ahead.
Why don't we flip Peggy around
so everyone can
look at her at home.
You see her, Jay?
Yeah.
- You zoomed in on her?
- Yeah.
She lookin' right at ya?
Straight at me.
So everyone at home...
what are you feeling right now?
Are you feeling anything at all
through your television screen?
Any anxiety?
This is really interactive.
We've never really
had the viewers
take part as much.
At this moment,
I can feel something
that wasn't there before.
I don't want to be
anywhere near Peggy.
The environment
definitely shifted
when that came off of her face,
so... so why don't you go ahead
- and take Peggy.
- Okay.
- And I'll see you in a little bit, okay?
- Okay.
Thank you.
I don't want to
be in this room anymore.
I feel anxious and tense.
Crazy--very, very cool,
very, very awesome, you know?
But, just gotta be
real cautious.
While most of the crew
takes a break,
Aaron notices that
something isn't right.
I almost put my
hand through this window.
So at any time you want
to leave, leave, okay?
I believe Peggy
the Doll is attached
to a malevolent entity.
Since she's been here,
we have seen swarms of flies,
electronic malfunctions,
and now I feel as if something
has invaded my body.
Just wanted to
start punching everything.
You know? It's weird.
I mean, think about it,
if you were the doll,
and you just got flown over and
you have a bag over your head
and it came out, you'd be
confused, frustrated,
a little pissed, and curious.
You probably--you probably did
feel some sort of emotion
of the doll, I mean...
I felt it enter my body.
You, in a way, made that happen.
I felt it enter my body.
- Enter your body?
- Mmhm.
- You're the one who made the call and made it happen.
- Think about it, think about it.
- The swarm of flies that are just around me.
- That was weird.
That was weird.
Then the feed to the camera
goes out,
only in that room where she is.
Yeah.
- Then the anxiety, and I go **** bat-**** crazy.
- Yeah.
All of a sudden, I come out
here, and I feel better.
After this personal experience,
I'm even more worried
about Katrin.
Although it will be hard,
I believe it is necessary
for her to confront Peggy
one last time,
so I decide to enlist the help
of psychic, Patti Negri,
who has assisted
the "Ghost Adventures" crew
on two previous investigations.
He is taunting you.
Are you okay, Patti?
Something entered
that's malicious.
I... interviewed
a couple women from,
the United Kingdom,
Yeah.
and one of the ladies
has a doll, okay.
And I know that you do
a lot with dolls.
- Yes.
- That's why I wanted to call you,
because I need your help.
I'm not gonna tell you
a whole lot about this.
Another lady that is here
was severely affected by
just looking at the doll.
She's never... been in
the presence of the doll, okay?
I need you to try and help,
because she needs closure.
Theo, can you send Katrin in?
I've also invited Jay Wasley,
an investigator of mine
on "Ghost Adventures,"
to participate in this séance
as a third party eyewitness.
Hi.
Hi, Katrin.
Do you want to have a seat?
Breathe.
Slow, deep breaths.
If at any time you want
to leave, leave, okay?
I'm serious.
No, I want to do it for myself.
Okay.
Because... I know
she's controlling me,
but she can't do it anymore.
Okay.
Okay, if everybody
wouldn't mind just taking hands.
Um, left palm up,
right palm down.
Yeah.
I just want to call a circle of
protection within this space,
a center of light
within this space
as we slowly raise the veil
between the worlds.
Can Peggy manifest physically?
She says she is.
Does anyone notice that
the candles, every now and then,
they just go crazy
as if they're about to go out.
- That one, that tall one.
- Mmhm, yeah.
- Look at it--it goes from one to the other.
- It's like a hand over the top.
There's no breezes in here.
- What's weird, though,
is if you look at these, - Mmhm.
- they don't do that, and they're the same candles.
- Yeah.
But over there, next to her,
By her.
they dance from one
to the other.
See that?
This entity is a bit
of a trickster.
Is that the
typewriter I keep hearing?
It's the typewriter
I keep hearing, yeah.
It's like,
it's typewriter sounds.
Yeah, what is it...
You hear like a
From the moment
I first ask the spirit
within Peggy
to reach out to us...
Can Peggy manifest physically?
...there has been a flurry
of activity,
from the candles...
Look at it, it goes
from one to the other.
...to audible anomalies.
This entity...
This entity...
Some kind of intelligent
being is definitely here with us.
Are you--are you okay?
It's okay--a lot
of energy flying around.
It makes people react in lots of
different ways, lots of different ways.
Sorry.
It's okay.
It's obvious that the
energy in the room is having
an effect on Katrin.
If she is ever going to break
away from the hold
that Peggy has on her life,
now is the time.
She needs to confront
her fear alone.
Can we try something?
Yeah.
What would you feel
if we all got up
and left you here
with her?
Can you come please?
I feel the same stabbing here.
We're performing a
séance with Peggy the Doll
to try and break the hold
she has on Katrin Reedik.
Are you--are you okay?
Katrin is reacting
strangely to the session,
and I think it's time to try
and cut ties
once and for all.
What would you feel
if we all got up
and left you here
with her?
It's, I mean, it's up to you.
I was just only gonna say if--
if we all left,
then you can just...
spend some time alone.
Do you want to try it?
Mmhm.
Let's get up and see.
You're okay.
Crying? Or what?
- Do you think it's... the spirits are there in there?
- Yes.
Is that a bad thing?
Katrin's fear has only
made Peggy more powerful.
Whatever the horrible connection
between them is,
we need to destroy it.
You good?
- Okay, okay.
- Can you come, please?
Okay, you did really good.
'Cause I feel
the same stabbing here.
Yeah, but you're--we're gonna
let go of that, okay.
It grabbed onto you
so we can cut it.
Can you see that? There you go.
Only time will tell
if Katrin has truly escaped
from Peggy's darkness.
As I recover
from my encounter with Peggy,
my mom and Aaron talk to
customers at the museum shop.
This makes me think
you take pictures,
and you save 'em, and then
they're just gonna end up
at some antique shop, and then,
after that, it's gonna... you know?
Like this one, you're right.
Hi, Nancy.
Hey, David!
- I told Zak about this when you guys were
down buying stuff, - You finally found it.
and I brought you in to let you see it.
- My God!
- My God, that is so crazy!
You know, ooh, okay.
Is that real?
- This one's real.
- If you just wanna lay something on it.
This is crazy.
Wait,
is that a bone that you put bones on?
Yeah, that's a human jawbone.
Really, my...
What the ****?
This is amazing--
where did you get it?
A friend of mine had it
in his coin shop for years,
and it sat up on a shelf
that said "Former Shoplifter."
That was great, that was great.
- Probably was.
- And when he moved, he sold it to me.
- What age is he, do we know?
- He's old--he's got minerals growing in his teeth.
My God.
You're right.
This--he's an old skull.
He's been preserved so well.
God, you can hear
how the bone...
We look like that, actually.
I mean, you kinda look
like that right now, but...
My God.
But the last two owners after
they sold it didn't live a year.
So whoever owns it dies?
Well, if you get rid of it,
apparently.
So I figure this one's probably
going to the grave with me.
Well, we'd sure like
to display it.
We could probably do that.
Yeah?
- You think?
- Well, because, I mean, if you don't want to sell,
we'll make sure
you can come back.
You can come in and take it
whenever, it's one of those deals,
- 'cause we'd love to have it.
- I don't even want to touch it, though.
Touch it, it's okay.
It's okay--no, it's okay.
Eight weeks
after this was filmed,
David Steinke,
who was a friend of my mom's,
passed away.
The whereabouts of
the skull is unknown.
I'm Mary Skinner from
the Tennessee State Museum
in Nashville, Tennessee,
home of a very gruesome item
I'm bringing to Zak Bagans.
This is not so much an exhibit
as it is a part of a human being,
a human being
that was the leader
of hundreds of men
that terrorized the Natchez
Trace in the Mississippi.
This item has reportedly
made some people sick
in the museum,
scared many children,
and I want to bring it
to Zak's attention.
Hopefully, he can fill in some
answers about this mysterious outlaw.
- Hello.
- Hello.
Welcome, come on in.
Whatever you have in your hand,
please place it
on the podium there.
Wow.
Good things
come in small packages?
You could say that.
Is it inside this little coffin?
Yes it is, yes.
- I like surprises.
- Now if you touch it, you have to wear gloves.
Ooh, I have to wear gloves
to touch it?
Is that a...
what am I looking at?
This is a thumb
that belonged to once...
It's a thumb.
It's a thumb.
This is a real human thumb?
Yes.
When he felt like they were
no longer of any use to him,
then he murdered them.
What in the heck?
This is a thumb--
This is a real...
human thumb?
Yes, from a notorious outlaw,
John Murrell.
I believe Mark Twain was,
actually a fan of him.
- He wrote about him in Life on the Mississippi.
- Exactly.
He terrorized people
along the Mississippi.
And there's people that still
believe that his treasure
is buried in caves somewhere
on the Mississippi.
Even today, people still search
for the treasures in the caves,
but Mark Twain wrote about that.
What are Jesse James
and his half dozen
vulgar rascals
compared with this stately
old-time criminal John Murrell
with his sermons
and his majestic following
of ten hundred men
sworn to do evil.
We did an investigation
in Natchez, Mississippi, once.
And I know that that was
his stomping grounds,
the Natchez Trace,
the Devil's Punchbowl.
And I know there's a lot of good stories
associated with him in that area.
He was the son of
a Methodist minister,
and that's how he got the idea
to pull off these, um,
robberies that he was
so famous for.
He would go around
to communities
up and down the Mississippi
River and the Natchez Trace
and pretend to be
a traveling minister.
While he was giving the sermon,
his band of outlaws were out
stealing everybody's horses.
I've always believed
that John Murrell,
pardon the pun, has gotten
buried in history.
He's not as notorious
as Billy the Kid
or Jesse James
Many newspaper articles
wrote about his crimes.
He was a horse thief, a bandit,
um, he was accused
of stealing slaves,
and he was arrested
for stealing a slave.
Some people believe
he would capture slaves,
and he would sell them
and resell them,
and then, when he felt like
they were no longer
of any use to him,
then he murdered them.
After only a brief encounter
with John Murrell's thumb,
Sara Harvey was overcome
with physical symptoms
that lingered
long after exposure,
leaving her feeling sick
and drained.
Um, and I assume
you know what that is?
Yes.
You do.
Um, does it make you
uncomfortable
- sitting next to it?
- Yes.
It does?
It definitely left a mark.
It was quite memorable.
Tell me exactly what happened.
I could tell where it was
pretty much without anybody
having to tell me,
I was just following
the sense of dread
as it got larger.
What did you start feeling?
What was this dread?
That creepy...
vibe and aura coming off of it,
Right.
that you could almost follow.
Mmhm.
And it was very tingling,
a little disorienting.
Were you getting, like,
headaches and stuff?
Kind of a migraine-y, low hum,
vertigo feeling, um,
a feeling of not quite--
not quite knowing
where all your extremities are.
Your feet feel kinda fuzzy
and far away,
and your fingertips,
little pins and needles.
Is he getting gratification
still in the afterlife
by his thumb giving people
like you these reactions?
- The heebie-jeebies?
- Scaring people, making them in fear?
Is he thriving off of this?
Probably--
he is not a nice person.
He was not a--um,
a good-hearted person in life.
One of the theories
that John Murrell's spirit
is attached to his thumb
is because pieces of him
are literally scattered about,
but this is not the only piece.
Is it true that John Murrell
was also said
to have been decapitated,
and they can't find his head?
That's one of the stories.
He died of a lung disease,
didn't he, or something?
- Tuberculosis.
- Tuberculosis.
And because he was such
a notorious person at the time,
- his body was sent to the
Nashville Medical College, - Mmhm.
and they mummified the body
and put it on display
with his arm extended
as he was going
to shake people's hand.
His body was sent
to the medical college?
Yes.
- At that point, did he still have his thumb and head?
- Yes.
He did.
But the thumb was severed
and sent
to the Historical Society.
- So you have documentation that the thumb was severed.
- Yes.
- We have a letter
- A letter.
from somebody that states
that in the letter, our files.
But this thumb has been
in your possession,
Tennessee Historical Society,
for how long?
Um, since the early 1800s.
So that's his thumb!
I am familiar with some of
John Murrell's ghost stories,
and there are reports that many
people have seen his ghost,
his full apparition,
in the Devil's Punchbowl
in the Natchez Trace area,
and being as John Murrell was,
in his life, an evil man,
if it's true that his head is
also missing from his body,
I imagine that,
in the afterlife,
he would be even more vicious
that his body parts
are all over the place.
Do I get to touch it?
John, if this is your thumb,
I'm gettin' ready to pick it up.
- Do you approve?
- Yes.
Okay.
I gotta be careful
not to drop it, right?
So is it, like...
my gosh.
Gosh, so this is mummified,
right?
Yes.
My gosh.
I'm like...
a little nervous right now.
Not gonna lie.
As I hold a piece
of this famous outlaw,
I wonder if his spirit
is watching over me
or if my direct contact
to his DNA
will welcome a new attachment
to the Zak Bagans ghost family.
Wow, that's incredible.
Just to touch this.
You imagine...
how many times he held a gun
with this thumb
or how many times he killed
someone with his gun
or...
John Murrell and his gang left
a trail of bodies in their wake.
Now his descendent,
Jamie Pistel, is here to tell us
about her struggles with
her family's bloody legacy.
Growing up, my father always
told me that I had some--
lots of really good ancestors,
and then lots of ancestors
that were not so good on this
particular one side of the family.
Do you feel anything
in that respect?
Do you feel dark energy
around it or anything like that?
Um... it's really,
um, amazing
that I do feel--I mean, like,
I'm tearing up now.
It's overwhelming to me, really.
Why are you getting emotional?
I don't know--I don't know,
I don't have a lot of experience
with this type of thing--
it's probably the energy,
and just, um, the fact
that, um, he did a lot of things
that, you know--
I know you can't--
I can't control
what happened in the past,
but things that I'm not,
you know, proud of.
'Cause the museum, actually,
where his thumb is housed
is walking distance
from where I work,
I spend the majority of my time,
um, and to just know
that there's something
that is on display, um,
is... is hard.
So...
Do you just not--do you not
like being around this?
Can you--can you feel
things around it?
Yeah, it's real--
I'm just uncomfortable.
I mean, I'm okay--I mean, I'm
okay, but it's just heaviness.
Mmhm.
If you were to come into contact
with the spirit of
your ancestor, John Murrell,
and you could talk to him
and he could talk back,
what would you ask him?
Why?
Why he did what he did,
and what was so, um,
appealing or enticing
that you felt that you had
to, you know,
do the things that you did.
We were planning on doing some
work around the thumb,
- just to see what happens, we don't know,
- Yeah, yeah.
but, you know, maybe his spirit
will come through,
maybe he won't, but if he does
come through,
I thought maybe that would be
a good opportunity
for you to have some closure.
- Would you like to do that?
- Yes.
Then the fog came rolling back
in on the water
and just kinda covered 'em up,
and they just disappeared into the fog.
Growing up, my father always
told me that I had lots
of ancestors that were not
so good on this particular
one side of the family.
Jamie agrees to join us
as we attempt to communicate
with the spirit of
her ancestor, John Murrell.
Hi, Jamie.
- Hi.
- How you doing?
Good, thank you.
Why don't you have a seat?
Hi.
Hey.
We are using
this blood relative,
along with Murrell's own thumb,
as trigger objects
to provoke a response.
During this, I want you
to ask questions.
You are his ancestor,
Mmhm.
- and there was a lot of emotion,
and I think that we can use that - Mmhm.
to help try to communicate.
For this session,
we are using a device
known as the Paranormal Puck,
which translates
electromagnetic energy fields
into words,
allowing spirits like
this murderous outlaw
to reach out to us
from the past.
So I typed a question in,
it reads the energy around
and selects a word.
Before we can
even begin the session,
while Billy is still testing out
the equipment,
he receives what appears
to be a response
from the spirit attached
to this human thumb.
Whoa.
Do you have a message for Jamie?
That's what I typed.
It says cut.
I'm gonna have you switch.
I want you to see
this as he's doing it,
'cause we're starting
to get--that's--
It's connected to you.
Cut.
Could that possibly mean
cut thumb?
I don't know.
- Ask another question, watch him type.
- Yeah, I'll type it.
Um, you said "cut" --
what does that mean?
Cave.
There's people that still
believe that his treasure
is buried in caves somewhere
on the Mississippi.
What is hidden in the cave?
Is there something hidden
in the cave?
Swim.
Swim?
At this moment, I don't yet
understand the significance
of this response.
Did you commit murder?
Did you commit murder?
Drowned.
It said swim earlier.
Yeah.
We were unsure what this meant,
so I send a crew
to visit the region
where Murrell and his gang
buried bodies
in unmarked graves.
A man offers up a story
with astonishing connections
to this evidence.
I was coming
back from a conference
in South Mississippi
with a friend of mine,
and we looked down here
at the water,
and we could see a guy
standing on the edge
of the riverbank down there,
and there was a couple
more guys in the water
that had a body in between them.
It was kinda foggy that morning,
and it was kinda rolling in
and out across the water,
and we didn't know if they were
fishing a dead body out,
you know, a floater, they'd found
a floater in the water, or what.
And, we kinda hollered, you
know, "What are you guys doin'?"
We hollered a few more times,
but they acted like
we just didn't even exist.
And the fog came rolling back
in on the water
and just kinda covered them up,
and they just disappeared into the fog.
I kinda looked at my friend,
and I said, "What the hell?"
And, behind us,
we heard somebody go,
"Not hell."
And of course, we spun around,
it startled us,
all these dead leaves
and sticks and stuff,
we didn't think anybody
could sneak up on us,
but... then there was nobody
there--there wasn't a soul there at all.
Did you commit murder?
Drowned.
It said swim earlier.
Yeah.
Swim.
Swim?
Swim, drowned,
and now these figures appear
on the riverbank.
I can't help but make
the obvious connection
between this eyewitness's
testimony
in John Murrell's old stomping
grounds, the Devil's Punchbowl,
and our own evidence,
which seems to confirm
that there is
some kind of intelligent entity
connected
to John Murrell's thumb.
In the most extreme cases, heart attack.
Is it true that
they can't find his head?
Since I was a young boy,
I've been collecting
haunted artifacts,
drawn to the dark and mysterious
energy they carry.
The Manson murders
will go down as one of
the most heinous crimes
of all time.
Through my career as
a paranormal investigator,
I've been able to build
my collection.
Now, I'm building a museum.
The Conjure Chest
is one of the deadliest
haunted artifacts in existence.
Robert the Doll has
affected thousands of people.
And providing a
place for people to bring
their haunted items
and hear their stories.
We aid people
into coming into the world.
Why can't we aid them
in exiting it?
These are my deadly possessions.
My name's Jayne Harris
from Stourbridge, England.
I'm currently the owner
of a doll named Peggy.
It all started when I posted
a photo of her online
and received hundreds of
responses from people
all over the world
who were experiencing
serious, potentially
fatal health issues
as a result of seeing her.
At this point,
we're really not sure what to do next.
And I would welcome Zak's help.
Why does the doll
have a sack on its head?
Honestly, she...
hasn't been around many people,
and when she has,
things have happened,
so...
In the most extreme cases,
heart attack.
So... people,
when they look at the doll,
they've had a heart attack.
Had heart attacks, yeah.
That's interesting, um...
It's interesting,
because when I initially showed
a picture online of the doll,
we had about
30 messages overnight.
These people are experiencing
these things
just by looking
at a picture of her?
We have a folder
of statements from people.
- I know for sure...
- ...Still have tingling...
...Had a
sharp pain in my chest.
Over the past year, um,
about 200 I would say, I guess.
I got the
feeling I couldn't breathe.
I got a pain in my right eye.
- Lights turned off--couldn't see.
- I had to lie down.
I have felt
like someone is in my home.
And it was incredible,
because we weren't sharing--
we weren't making it public
that anything was going on
for anyone.
Who do you believe the doll
is possessed by,
and why was the doll
given the name Peggy?
Back in February,
a psychic medium gave us
the name of a lady he was
connecting with called Peggy.
How do you think
that this doll has the power
to infect those
just by looking at a picture
of it on Facebook or online?
- I've never seen this before.
- We don't understand that, I mean,
whether it's--whether it's
a case that the spirits
are aware when someone takes
an interest in them.
While there isn't
a lot of documentation
about Peggy's history, we do
know she was made in England
in the late 1960s.
The original owner
bought the doll,
um, just at a sale,
and pretty much straightaway,
things started happening
in her home.
She would hear footsteps.
She would wake up at 3 a.m.
and feel that there was someone
in the room,
and she became more and more fearful.
She lost weight,
she couldn't eat.
She had nausea, migraines.
The original owner was
overwhelmed by Peggy's power,
so she sought out someone
to take the doll off her hands.
She contacted me,
because she'd been online
googling haunted objects,
came across--
it's what we do, I've been
studying this kind of thing
for about 17 years...
experienced a touch...
So you specialize in this.
- I've had some experiences, yeah, nothing like this.
- Okay.
Um... this has kind of thrown out
- all my theories and ideas on what the
spirit world's about -
to be honest.
Is it something dark
that's with the doll?
All of a sudden,
I'm being plagued by flies.
I've never seen flies in here.
So, yeah.
Flies, infestation of flies.
Does Peggy--
does Peggy bring flies with her?
As we're talking
about demonic stuff.
I don't--I don't know.
There's so much about her
that we don't know,
and as I said,
the longer she's with me,
the more questions
I've got--I just don't...
it's what's fascinating,
but it's also what's terrifying, as well,
which is the paranormal,
I guess.
That's weird.
Do you see all of them?
- Yeah, I see them flyin' around you.
- They're like...
there's flies all around me--
I've never seen flies in here,
and they're all
just flying around me,
and there's a bunch of them.
Isn't that, there.
There it is, yeah.
It keeps buzzing around me,
and--and I think
we all know
the manifestation of flies
in demonic presences.
Um... I'm not concluding anything,
however, it is very interesting.
- And you're asking me questions, and maybe it's...
- Yeah.
So I'm a little nervous.
Dolls is one of my phobia.
But just having a doll over
there with a sack over its face
is probably one of the more
unnerving things that I've seen.
Um...
It could get more unnerving.
If you choose to have
a look at her.
Sounds like a challenge.
Could be.
Before I see Peggy for myself,
I need to know
the risks involved.
Katrin Reedik is here to tell me
about the heart attack
that almost took her life.
She traveled all the way
to Las Vegas,
hoping I can provide some help
to give her closure.
Can you tell me,
exactly what happened
with--with you and this Peggy?
My heart was racing like
a running racing horse,
and I didn't feel good.
How close in proximity
to when you saw
this video of Peggy
did you have the heart attack?
Just minutes.
- Just minutes.
- Within minutes?
Yeah, within minutes.
It was so strange.
I went to hospital,
and they confirmed
that there was changes
in my heart.
Before the Peggy video,
I didn't have any health issues.
And then my GP confirmed
it was heart attack,
and I'm still shaking.
Every time I'm speaking
about this, I'm shaking,
and I don't feel good.
I can't see any pictures
about Peggy or any videos,
because I feel I'm going mad
after this.
I have two children
that I need to raise,
and they have nobody.
Sorry.
It's all right.
It's okay.
This has been hard?
It's hard, really hard.
It's hard to explain
to my children
what's happening to their mom.
Why she's in the hospital,
or what she's really feeling right now.
It's hard.
Mmhm.
They don't understand--
they're too young for this,
but they know that something
is happening to their mom.
Sorry.
It's okay.
But... are you gonna be okay?
Yeah.
I hope.
Do you think that...
that this doll had something
to do with it?
I don't think the doll,
but what's inside it.
You know, at the beginning,
I was going to ask you
to bring Peggy
and all that, but...
- No, no.
- No, I'm not going to.
- No.
- I'm not going to, okay?
- Why don't you get up and take...
- Zak.
Okay, something is
going on in nerve center.
I am talking to Jayne
Harris, owner of Peggy the Doll,
who is allegedly
responsible for causing
serious health problems
all over the world.
So since so many people online
have had these getting sick
and whatnot, I feel like
I have a liability,
like I need to issue
a liability to the camera.
What would happen if we take
the sack off of Peggy's head
and show her face
to our audience
through the video cameras?
Is that...
Why are you shaking
your head for?
It could be interesting.
It could be really interesting.
It would be interesting.
Okay, but... I don't want my
viewers to get sick or anything.
I don't know
what to do right now.
I think, with anything
paranormal,
you... if you don't take
the plunge, you don't get
the answers that maybe you want.
Well, she's already been
listening to me, you know,
so let's... let's do it.
Why don't you get up and take...
Zak... Zak.
Okay, we have a red light
blinking up here right now.
That means that something is
going on in nerve center.
- Will you hold on, please?
- Yes, yeah.
- Are you serious?
- Yeah.
So...
There are cameras
running throughout the museum
at all times, and whenever
I'm conducting an interview,
Billy is here
in the control room,
monitoring these feeds.
When Jayne and I are discussing
removing the sack
from Peggy's head...
I think, with anything
paranormal,
if you don't take the plunge,
you don't get
the answers that maybe you want.
...the feed from the camera in
the ballroom cuts out suddenly
when all the other cameras
continue working perfectly.
I have to wonder if Peggy does
not want us to see her face.
Is this a warning?
If it is, I cannot change
my mind now.
I need to know
what is under this sack.
Everyone that's watching this
right now, um,
Peggy's face is
about to be revealed.
We will film her face,
so you will see it.
Warning to all our viewers,
Peggy the Doll's face
is about to be revealed--
by viewing,
you understand
the risks involved.
Go ahead.
Why don't we flip Peggy around
so everyone can
look at her at home.
You see her, Jay?
Yeah.
- You zoomed in on her?
- Yeah.
She lookin' right at ya?
Straight at me.
So everyone at home...
what are you feeling right now?
Are you feeling anything at all
through your television screen?
Any anxiety?
This is really interactive.
We've never really
had the viewers
take part as much.
At this moment,
I can feel something
that wasn't there before.
I don't want to be
anywhere near Peggy.
The environment
definitely shifted
when that came off of her face,
so... so why don't you go ahead
- and take Peggy.
- Okay.
- And I'll see you in a little bit, okay?
- Okay.
Thank you.
I don't want to
be in this room anymore.
I feel anxious and tense.
Crazy--very, very cool,
very, very awesome, you know?
But, just gotta be
real cautious.
While most of the crew
takes a break,
Aaron notices that
something isn't right.
I almost put my
hand through this window.
So at any time you want
to leave, leave, okay?
I believe Peggy
the Doll is attached
to a malevolent entity.
Since she's been here,
we have seen swarms of flies,
electronic malfunctions,
and now I feel as if something
has invaded my body.
Just wanted to
start punching everything.
You know? It's weird.
I mean, think about it,
if you were the doll,
and you just got flown over and
you have a bag over your head
and it came out, you'd be
confused, frustrated,
a little pissed, and curious.
You probably--you probably did
feel some sort of emotion
of the doll, I mean...
I felt it enter my body.
You, in a way, made that happen.
I felt it enter my body.
- Enter your body?
- Mmhm.
- You're the one who made the call and made it happen.
- Think about it, think about it.
- The swarm of flies that are just around me.
- That was weird.
That was weird.
Then the feed to the camera
goes out,
only in that room where she is.
Yeah.
- Then the anxiety, and I go **** bat-**** crazy.
- Yeah.
All of a sudden, I come out
here, and I feel better.
After this personal experience,
I'm even more worried
about Katrin.
Although it will be hard,
I believe it is necessary
for her to confront Peggy
one last time,
so I decide to enlist the help
of psychic, Patti Negri,
who has assisted
the "Ghost Adventures" crew
on two previous investigations.
He is taunting you.
Are you okay, Patti?
Something entered
that's malicious.
I... interviewed
a couple women from,
the United Kingdom,
Yeah.
and one of the ladies
has a doll, okay.
And I know that you do
a lot with dolls.
- Yes.
- That's why I wanted to call you,
because I need your help.
I'm not gonna tell you
a whole lot about this.
Another lady that is here
was severely affected by
just looking at the doll.
She's never... been in
the presence of the doll, okay?
I need you to try and help,
because she needs closure.
Theo, can you send Katrin in?
I've also invited Jay Wasley,
an investigator of mine
on "Ghost Adventures,"
to participate in this séance
as a third party eyewitness.
Hi.
Hi, Katrin.
Do you want to have a seat?
Breathe.
Slow, deep breaths.
If at any time you want
to leave, leave, okay?
I'm serious.
No, I want to do it for myself.
Okay.
Because... I know
she's controlling me,
but she can't do it anymore.
Okay.
Okay, if everybody
wouldn't mind just taking hands.
Um, left palm up,
right palm down.
Yeah.
I just want to call a circle of
protection within this space,
a center of light
within this space
as we slowly raise the veil
between the worlds.
Can Peggy manifest physically?
She says she is.
Does anyone notice that
the candles, every now and then,
they just go crazy
as if they're about to go out.
- That one, that tall one.
- Mmhm, yeah.
- Look at it--it goes from one to the other.
- It's like a hand over the top.
There's no breezes in here.
- What's weird, though,
is if you look at these, - Mmhm.
- they don't do that, and they're the same candles.
- Yeah.
But over there, next to her,
By her.
they dance from one
to the other.
See that?
This entity is a bit
of a trickster.
Is that the
typewriter I keep hearing?
It's the typewriter
I keep hearing, yeah.
It's like,
it's typewriter sounds.
Yeah, what is it...
You hear like a
From the moment
I first ask the spirit
within Peggy
to reach out to us...
Can Peggy manifest physically?
...there has been a flurry
of activity,
from the candles...
Look at it, it goes
from one to the other.
...to audible anomalies.
This entity...
This entity...
Some kind of intelligent
being is definitely here with us.
Are you--are you okay?
It's okay--a lot
of energy flying around.
It makes people react in lots of
different ways, lots of different ways.
Sorry.
It's okay.
It's obvious that the
energy in the room is having
an effect on Katrin.
If she is ever going to break
away from the hold
that Peggy has on her life,
now is the time.
She needs to confront
her fear alone.
Can we try something?
Yeah.
What would you feel
if we all got up
and left you here
with her?
Can you come please?
I feel the same stabbing here.
We're performing a
séance with Peggy the Doll
to try and break the hold
she has on Katrin Reedik.
Are you--are you okay?
Katrin is reacting
strangely to the session,
and I think it's time to try
and cut ties
once and for all.
What would you feel
if we all got up
and left you here
with her?
It's, I mean, it's up to you.
I was just only gonna say if--
if we all left,
then you can just...
spend some time alone.
Do you want to try it?
Mmhm.
Let's get up and see.
You're okay.
Crying? Or what?
- Do you think it's... the spirits are there in there?
- Yes.
Is that a bad thing?
Katrin's fear has only
made Peggy more powerful.
Whatever the horrible connection
between them is,
we need to destroy it.
You good?
- Okay, okay.
- Can you come, please?
Okay, you did really good.
'Cause I feel
the same stabbing here.
Yeah, but you're--we're gonna
let go of that, okay.
It grabbed onto you
so we can cut it.
Can you see that? There you go.
Only time will tell
if Katrin has truly escaped
from Peggy's darkness.
As I recover
from my encounter with Peggy,
my mom and Aaron talk to
customers at the museum shop.
This makes me think
you take pictures,
and you save 'em, and then
they're just gonna end up
at some antique shop, and then,
after that, it's gonna... you know?
Like this one, you're right.
Hi, Nancy.
Hey, David!
- I told Zak about this when you guys were
down buying stuff, - You finally found it.
and I brought you in to let you see it.
- My God!
- My God, that is so crazy!
You know, ooh, okay.
Is that real?
- This one's real.
- If you just wanna lay something on it.
This is crazy.
Wait,
is that a bone that you put bones on?
Yeah, that's a human jawbone.
Really, my...
What the ****?
This is amazing--
where did you get it?
A friend of mine had it
in his coin shop for years,
and it sat up on a shelf
that said "Former Shoplifter."
That was great, that was great.
- Probably was.
- And when he moved, he sold it to me.
- What age is he, do we know?
- He's old--he's got minerals growing in his teeth.
My God.
You're right.
This--he's an old skull.
He's been preserved so well.
God, you can hear
how the bone...
We look like that, actually.
I mean, you kinda look
like that right now, but...
My God.
But the last two owners after
they sold it didn't live a year.
So whoever owns it dies?
Well, if you get rid of it,
apparently.
So I figure this one's probably
going to the grave with me.
Well, we'd sure like
to display it.
We could probably do that.
Yeah?
- You think?
- Well, because, I mean, if you don't want to sell,
we'll make sure
you can come back.
You can come in and take it
whenever, it's one of those deals,
- 'cause we'd love to have it.
- I don't even want to touch it, though.
Touch it, it's okay.
It's okay--no, it's okay.
Eight weeks
after this was filmed,
David Steinke,
who was a friend of my mom's,
passed away.
The whereabouts of
the skull is unknown.
I'm Mary Skinner from
the Tennessee State Museum
in Nashville, Tennessee,
home of a very gruesome item
I'm bringing to Zak Bagans.
This is not so much an exhibit
as it is a part of a human being,
a human being
that was the leader
of hundreds of men
that terrorized the Natchez
Trace in the Mississippi.
This item has reportedly
made some people sick
in the museum,
scared many children,
and I want to bring it
to Zak's attention.
Hopefully, he can fill in some
answers about this mysterious outlaw.
- Hello.
- Hello.
Welcome, come on in.
Whatever you have in your hand,
please place it
on the podium there.
Wow.
Good things
come in small packages?
You could say that.
Is it inside this little coffin?
Yes it is, yes.
- I like surprises.
- Now if you touch it, you have to wear gloves.
Ooh, I have to wear gloves
to touch it?
Is that a...
what am I looking at?
This is a thumb
that belonged to once...
It's a thumb.
It's a thumb.
This is a real human thumb?
Yes.
When he felt like they were
no longer of any use to him,
then he murdered them.
What in the heck?
This is a thumb--
This is a real...
human thumb?
Yes, from a notorious outlaw,
John Murrell.
I believe Mark Twain was,
actually a fan of him.
- He wrote about him in Life on the Mississippi.
- Exactly.
He terrorized people
along the Mississippi.
And there's people that still
believe that his treasure
is buried in caves somewhere
on the Mississippi.
Even today, people still search
for the treasures in the caves,
but Mark Twain wrote about that.
What are Jesse James
and his half dozen
vulgar rascals
compared with this stately
old-time criminal John Murrell
with his sermons
and his majestic following
of ten hundred men
sworn to do evil.
We did an investigation
in Natchez, Mississippi, once.
And I know that that was
his stomping grounds,
the Natchez Trace,
the Devil's Punchbowl.
And I know there's a lot of good stories
associated with him in that area.
He was the son of
a Methodist minister,
and that's how he got the idea
to pull off these, um,
robberies that he was
so famous for.
He would go around
to communities
up and down the Mississippi
River and the Natchez Trace
and pretend to be
a traveling minister.
While he was giving the sermon,
his band of outlaws were out
stealing everybody's horses.
I've always believed
that John Murrell,
pardon the pun, has gotten
buried in history.
He's not as notorious
as Billy the Kid
or Jesse James
Many newspaper articles
wrote about his crimes.
He was a horse thief, a bandit,
um, he was accused
of stealing slaves,
and he was arrested
for stealing a slave.
Some people believe
he would capture slaves,
and he would sell them
and resell them,
and then, when he felt like
they were no longer
of any use to him,
then he murdered them.
After only a brief encounter
with John Murrell's thumb,
Sara Harvey was overcome
with physical symptoms
that lingered
long after exposure,
leaving her feeling sick
and drained.
Um, and I assume
you know what that is?
Yes.
You do.
Um, does it make you
uncomfortable
- sitting next to it?
- Yes.
It does?
It definitely left a mark.
It was quite memorable.
Tell me exactly what happened.
I could tell where it was
pretty much without anybody
having to tell me,
I was just following
the sense of dread
as it got larger.
What did you start feeling?
What was this dread?
That creepy...
vibe and aura coming off of it,
Right.
that you could almost follow.
Mmhm.
And it was very tingling,
a little disorienting.
Were you getting, like,
headaches and stuff?
Kind of a migraine-y, low hum,
vertigo feeling, um,
a feeling of not quite--
not quite knowing
where all your extremities are.
Your feet feel kinda fuzzy
and far away,
and your fingertips,
little pins and needles.
Is he getting gratification
still in the afterlife
by his thumb giving people
like you these reactions?
- The heebie-jeebies?
- Scaring people, making them in fear?
Is he thriving off of this?
Probably--
he is not a nice person.
He was not a--um,
a good-hearted person in life.
One of the theories
that John Murrell's spirit
is attached to his thumb
is because pieces of him
are literally scattered about,
but this is not the only piece.
Is it true that John Murrell
was also said
to have been decapitated,
and they can't find his head?
That's one of the stories.
He died of a lung disease,
didn't he, or something?
- Tuberculosis.
- Tuberculosis.
And because he was such
a notorious person at the time,
- his body was sent to the
Nashville Medical College, - Mmhm.
and they mummified the body
and put it on display
with his arm extended
as he was going
to shake people's hand.
His body was sent
to the medical college?
Yes.
- At that point, did he still have his thumb and head?
- Yes.
He did.
But the thumb was severed
and sent
to the Historical Society.
- So you have documentation that the thumb was severed.
- Yes.
- We have a letter
- A letter.
from somebody that states
that in the letter, our files.
But this thumb has been
in your possession,
Tennessee Historical Society,
for how long?
Um, since the early 1800s.
So that's his thumb!
I am familiar with some of
John Murrell's ghost stories,
and there are reports that many
people have seen his ghost,
his full apparition,
in the Devil's Punchbowl
in the Natchez Trace area,
and being as John Murrell was,
in his life, an evil man,
if it's true that his head is
also missing from his body,
I imagine that,
in the afterlife,
he would be even more vicious
that his body parts
are all over the place.
Do I get to touch it?
John, if this is your thumb,
I'm gettin' ready to pick it up.
- Do you approve?
- Yes.
Okay.
I gotta be careful
not to drop it, right?
So is it, like...
my gosh.
Gosh, so this is mummified,
right?
Yes.
My gosh.
I'm like...
a little nervous right now.
Not gonna lie.
As I hold a piece
of this famous outlaw,
I wonder if his spirit
is watching over me
or if my direct contact
to his DNA
will welcome a new attachment
to the Zak Bagans ghost family.
Wow, that's incredible.
Just to touch this.
You imagine...
how many times he held a gun
with this thumb
or how many times he killed
someone with his gun
or...
John Murrell and his gang left
a trail of bodies in their wake.
Now his descendent,
Jamie Pistel, is here to tell us
about her struggles with
her family's bloody legacy.
Growing up, my father always
told me that I had some--
lots of really good ancestors,
and then lots of ancestors
that were not so good on this
particular one side of the family.
Do you feel anything
in that respect?
Do you feel dark energy
around it or anything like that?
Um... it's really,
um, amazing
that I do feel--I mean, like,
I'm tearing up now.
It's overwhelming to me, really.
Why are you getting emotional?
I don't know--I don't know,
I don't have a lot of experience
with this type of thing--
it's probably the energy,
and just, um, the fact
that, um, he did a lot of things
that, you know--
I know you can't--
I can't control
what happened in the past,
but things that I'm not,
you know, proud of.
'Cause the museum, actually,
where his thumb is housed
is walking distance
from where I work,
I spend the majority of my time,
um, and to just know
that there's something
that is on display, um,
is... is hard.
So...
Do you just not--do you not
like being around this?
Can you--can you feel
things around it?
Yeah, it's real--
I'm just uncomfortable.
I mean, I'm okay--I mean, I'm
okay, but it's just heaviness.
Mmhm.
If you were to come into contact
with the spirit of
your ancestor, John Murrell,
and you could talk to him
and he could talk back,
what would you ask him?
Why?
Why he did what he did,
and what was so, um,
appealing or enticing
that you felt that you had
to, you know,
do the things that you did.
We were planning on doing some
work around the thumb,
- just to see what happens, we don't know,
- Yeah, yeah.
but, you know, maybe his spirit
will come through,
maybe he won't, but if he does
come through,
I thought maybe that would be
a good opportunity
for you to have some closure.
- Would you like to do that?
- Yes.
Then the fog came rolling back
in on the water
and just kinda covered 'em up,
and they just disappeared into the fog.
Growing up, my father always
told me that I had lots
of ancestors that were not
so good on this particular
one side of the family.
Jamie agrees to join us
as we attempt to communicate
with the spirit of
her ancestor, John Murrell.
Hi, Jamie.
- Hi.
- How you doing?
Good, thank you.
Why don't you have a seat?
Hi.
Hey.
We are using
this blood relative,
along with Murrell's own thumb,
as trigger objects
to provoke a response.
During this, I want you
to ask questions.
You are his ancestor,
Mmhm.
- and there was a lot of emotion,
and I think that we can use that - Mmhm.
to help try to communicate.
For this session,
we are using a device
known as the Paranormal Puck,
which translates
electromagnetic energy fields
into words,
allowing spirits like
this murderous outlaw
to reach out to us
from the past.
So I typed a question in,
it reads the energy around
and selects a word.
Before we can
even begin the session,
while Billy is still testing out
the equipment,
he receives what appears
to be a response
from the spirit attached
to this human thumb.
Whoa.
Do you have a message for Jamie?
That's what I typed.
It says cut.
I'm gonna have you switch.
I want you to see
this as he's doing it,
'cause we're starting
to get--that's--
It's connected to you.
Cut.
Could that possibly mean
cut thumb?
I don't know.
- Ask another question, watch him type.
- Yeah, I'll type it.
Um, you said "cut" --
what does that mean?
Cave.
There's people that still
believe that his treasure
is buried in caves somewhere
on the Mississippi.
What is hidden in the cave?
Is there something hidden
in the cave?
Swim.
Swim?
At this moment, I don't yet
understand the significance
of this response.
Did you commit murder?
Did you commit murder?
Drowned.
It said swim earlier.
Yeah.
We were unsure what this meant,
so I send a crew
to visit the region
where Murrell and his gang
buried bodies
in unmarked graves.
A man offers up a story
with astonishing connections
to this evidence.
I was coming
back from a conference
in South Mississippi
with a friend of mine,
and we looked down here
at the water,
and we could see a guy
standing on the edge
of the riverbank down there,
and there was a couple
more guys in the water
that had a body in between them.
It was kinda foggy that morning,
and it was kinda rolling in
and out across the water,
and we didn't know if they were
fishing a dead body out,
you know, a floater, they'd found
a floater in the water, or what.
And, we kinda hollered, you
know, "What are you guys doin'?"
We hollered a few more times,
but they acted like
we just didn't even exist.
And the fog came rolling back
in on the water
and just kinda covered them up,
and they just disappeared into the fog.
I kinda looked at my friend,
and I said, "What the hell?"
And, behind us,
we heard somebody go,
"Not hell."
And of course, we spun around,
it startled us,
all these dead leaves
and sticks and stuff,
we didn't think anybody
could sneak up on us,
but... then there was nobody
there--there wasn't a soul there at all.
Did you commit murder?
Drowned.
It said swim earlier.
Yeah.
Swim.
Swim?
Swim, drowned,
and now these figures appear
on the riverbank.
I can't help but make
the obvious connection
between this eyewitness's
testimony
in John Murrell's old stomping
grounds, the Devil's Punchbowl,
and our own evidence,
which seems to confirm
that there is
some kind of intelligent entity
connected
to John Murrell's thumb.