Deadly Possessions (2016–…): Season 1, Episode 4 - Bela Lugosi's Mirror and Charles Manson's TV - full transcript

These are letters that
were written by Charles Manson.

Did anything ever happen to you?

Only once.

These objects are powerful.

It's a cursed name.
It should never be talked about.

What happens
when you turn the TV on?

If I wanted to kill somebody,

I'd take this book
and beat you to death with it.

Did the killer
look into that mirror?

Since I was a young boy,

I've been collecting
haunted artifacts,



drawn to the dark and mysterious
energy they carry.

The Manson murders
will go down as

one of the most heinous crimes
of all time.

Through my career
as a paranormal investigator,

I've been able
to build my collection.

Now I'm building a museum....

The Conjure Chest
is one of the deadliest

- haunted artifacts in existence.
- Robert the Doll.

He has affected
thousands of people.

...and providing a place

for people
to bring their haunted items

and hear their stories.

We aid people
into coming into the world.

Why can't we aid them
in exiting the world?



These are my deadly possessions.

My name is Cindy Lee.

I live in Phoenix, Arizona.

I am the owner
of a horrifically haunted object

that once belonged to the man

that played Dracula,
Bela Lugosi.

This item has caused my family
so much anguish

that I no longer
feel safe with it.

So I'm traveling to Las Vegas
to donate it to Zak's museum.

Hello.

Hi!

Wow, you have a big mirror.

And, of course,

the mirror is gonna get
aimed right at me?

Good.

Beware.
It's an angry mirror.

Wow.
This is really cool.

I'm guessing the mirror
has a story.

The mirror used to be
in Bela Lugosi's house.

Bela Lugosi?

Yes. My uncle lived in there
when I was a child.

We used to visit.

Huge Bela Lugosi fan.

So, your uncle...

We called him Uncle Bob.

His name is
Frank Robert Celetri.

And he produced films.

He did "Blackenstein."

Old horror films?

He, in 1982, was murdered.

It speculated like a mob hit.

- Are you serious?
- Yeah.

And it was pretty gruesome.

Can I -- and I hate
to ask you these details.

- You can ask me whatever you want. Please do.
- Okay. The details.

Was your uncle shot
or was he strangled?

How was he killed?

My uncle was in his bedroom.

He was found on his knees,

with his head
over the end of the bed.

And somebody took a screwdriver
to his knees and elbows.

And they shot him,
and then they tried

to dig out the bullet
with the screwdriver.

And he wasn't found
for a few days.

Cindy Lee's uncle was killed
inside Bella Lugosi's old house,

with the mirror watching.

Did they ever capture
your uncle's killer?

- No.
- They never did.

They never had any idea?

I have a personal idea.

It had to be somebody close
that let him in.

'Cause it wasn't a forced entry.

I think it was a close friend.

And whatever else went on,
who knows?

It's interesting, 'cause
a lot of mirrors in general,

a lot of ancient cultures

believe that the reflections
were from another realm.

Many people said
that they could divine

the past, present, the future,

and that they were portals
to the spirit world.

Then there is a Scrying.

You stare into a mirror,

many people believe that you can
see gods, devils, spirits,

even your own psychic mind.

Actually, Nostradamus --
he did Scrying

and predicted his own death.

And what's interesting to me
is that I do know a little bit

about Bela Lugosi.

He was into the occult.

Very much so.

And when he filmed
"Count Dracula,"

he would often have dreams
where he was dead.

He said this in an interview,
actually, in the 1930s.

So it's interesting to me
that someone like Bela Lugosi

that was involved
in the occult --

Did he use this mirror
in his own occult rituals

And possibly capture that killer
that's never been captured?

Did the killer look
into that mirror?

And did that mirror capture

that killer's energy,
that killer's soul?

Possibly your uncle.

Are you okay?

Yeah.

What's wrong?

Nothing.
It's just emotional.

I'm sorry.

It can get really deep
when you start theorizing

the possibilities
of these objects.

And these objects are powerful.

I have a lot of apprehension
about that mirror.

- You should.
- Yeah.

Why do you think
that this mirror has a figure --

It saw something.

It saw something?

I tend to believe

that this mirror
was used by Bela Lugosi,

that he was doing
Scrying rituals with it,

knowing his past in the occult.

And if he did,
then this would be a portal.

And if the portal was left open

and it captured the reflection
of this murder,

then that energy
would still be consumed in it

and possibly the killer --
the killer's soul.

Who is the killer?
They never caught the killer.

Aside from it being
from Bela Lugosi's house,

does the mirror have
something bad attached to it?

Very much so.

I have an older daughter,

who -- I'm sorry -- did not want
to come on-camera because --

Why?

She went through so much trauma.

Trauma connected to the mirror?

To the mirror.

She lived on her own,

and when she would be
curling her hair, whatever,

and she could see,
like, a dark entity,

but she could feel the teeth,
like, bite.

She could feel teeth?

Like, bite her neck.

The figure would come
through the mirror...

...and attack her.

She could feel
whatever was in it.

Energy, it -- whatever.

Now, you're talking
about trauma.

What happened to your daughter?

How severe was the trauma?

She moved in with us,

and she shared a room
with my other daughter.

- Hello.
- Hi.

How you doing?

Good, thank you.

So, I know it took a little bit

for you to want
to do this interview.

- Yes.
- Okay.

Are you comfortable now?

I want you to be
comfortable with me.

- Yes, I'm okay.
- Okay.

I just have
a couple questions for you.

Your mother was telling me
that your sister

had some experiences
with the mirror.

Many.

Just take me back and tell me

what it was like to be
in the room with your sister

when these events started.

I was about 14.

She was staying in my bedroom

'cause she didn't want
to be at home.

So she didn't give me
a whole lot of details at first.

But when she would sleep
at my house,

she wouldn't want
to be by herself almost ever.

When she stayed at your house,

did she ever tell you
actual events?

She did one time talk to me
about seeing a figure,

and it terrified me.

And she just kind of
described the hand

as very -- almost the reaching.

And the hand would come out
of the mirror and grab her?

Yes.

If your uncle's killer

did look into this mirror
after the murder,

did this mirror take
a part of him into it?

This is starting
to get really deep now.

I am talking to Irene

about a mirror that was
inherited by her family

that once belonged
to Bela Lugosi.

We're talking
about Irene's sister,

who was so traumatized
by this mirror

that she no longer
talks about it

and would not come to the museum
to talk to me.

We get
more of those details now.

She just kind of
described the hand

as almost the reaching.

And the hand would come out
of the mirror and grab her?

Yes.

Did you believe your sister?

- Of course.
- You did?

Of course.
It terrified me.

But just the look in her face --
She was very serious.

She was terrified.
It was a big deal to her.

So it was hard
to not take that seriously.

Did she start losing
her own personality?

She got where she was
second-guessing things --

where you think you see things

and, are you psychotic
or is that real?

Did she ever go to, like,
a place to get help?

- She did?
- Yes, a few.

Talked to a priest --
and this was like every day.

And that was the focus?

Yeah.

- The mirror.
- The mirror.

My bedroom, where the mirror was

up until a couple of days ago --

Whoa, whoa, whoa.

- I moved out.
- Hold on.

And my room was then
the spare bedroom.

And it stayed in the corner.

When you slept in that room,

did anything ever happen to you?

Only once.

It was very creepy
to be in that room.

But then I just thought
it was because I had moved out.

And at this time,
you didn't know

- the mirror was there?
- No. I didn't know.

Which -- There was
no psychosomatic going on?

I just was very uncomfortable.

I associated it with, you know,

"I moved out.
This isn't my room anymore."

But then one night,
I went to sleep in my old room.

Woke up from this awful dream
of something attacking me,

scratching me, holding me down.

What?

I just remember this vision
of hands, this very dark face.

And I woke up,
and I had scratch marks.

Are you serious?

Chest, arms,
even the middle of my back,

where I was not able to reach.

Even some of them
where they broke skin.

It was so surreal.
I just -- I couldn't explain it.

That's incredible.

So you dream about this figure,

you wake up, and you have
scratches all over your body?

And I thought
it was just a bad dream.

Right.

I'm very black-and-white,
more scientific than...

I love when this happens
to a skeptic.

I don't like when it attacks you
and scratches you,

but I love the moment
of a hard-core skeptic

having the experience
and seeing this transformation.

I couldn't justify
how I reached parts of my back,

and it just -- it didn't add up.

When was the moment
that you realized

that you just slept in the room
with the Bela Lugosi mirror?

Not too long after.

I just thought it was
a pretty antique mirror

in the corner of that room.

What do you want to do
with the mirror now?

I can't sell it.
I can't give it.

But if it kind of
gets left behind...

You want to get rid of it.

It's that serious?

If it has caused this much harm

in your family
with your daughter,

who couldn't be here today
to speak about this...

Right.

...because it was
so traumatic,

I'll definitely give it
a good home.

God have mercy on your soul.

I mean, I really respect it.

- For real.
- I will.

I hate to ask this question.

If this mirror
was an open portal,

do you think
that your uncle's --

and this is a tough question --

do you believe
that your uncle's killer

could have looked
into this mirror?

Yeah.

If your uncle's killer

did look into this mirror
after the murder,

did this mirror take
a part of him into it?

This is starting
to get really deep now.

And I don't know if you can
feel the energy off of it,

but I don't -- It likes it,
and I don't like it.

Yeah, I don't think it's --

You know, the one thing
that we do here a lot,

that I do here a lot

is we get these objects
right here,

and then within inches,

we talk about these objects
and we theorize,

and we don't know
if the objects like it.

This likes it,
and it's an angry mirror today.

The history of this mirror
absolutely fascinates me.

Hearing the firsthand
paranormal attacks

makes me believe
this artifact can be used

as a dangerous portal
into the spirit realm.

I believe
this mirror has the power

to do some serious harm

and needs to be handled
with caution.

Well, I am the new owner
of Bela Lugosi's haunted mirror.

You know, I just look in here

trying to see if somebody will
appear behind me.

It's crazy --
You hear, just, the stories

that come from these families

of people that are just
so affected by these objects.

To me, it's just so fascinating
to know

that an inanimate object
like a mirror

could be a doorway to a world --

that is so mysterious,
dangerous.

And coming from the house
of Bela Lugosi,

this may be
my favorite possession to date.

What is inside of you?

Are you the killer?

Bela Lugosi
do something with you?

Did he use you for rituals?

Are you a portal?

Handwritten letters
from Charles Manson.

- Yeah.
- With the television?

Yes.

I've just been given a mirror

that once belonged
to Bela Lugosi.

After learning
about the dark history

attached to this item,

I want to conduct an experiment
in the isolation room

to see if it holds the power
we think it does.

I have an experiment

that I'd like to do
with all three of you.

Ashley, our still photographer,
works on "Ghost Adventures."

- Aaron?
- Yes.

- What's your name?
- Jackie.

You're a production assistant
on the show here.

- and this is your first day?
- Yep.

Did you ever think that you would
be on-camera doing something?

No.

Welcome to our world.

Thanks.

Down in the isolation chamber,

we like to isolate people
with interesting objects.

One at a time,
I want you to go downstairs.

You're gonna see a mirror.

I want you to stare
into this mirror,

and I want you to look
at yourself in this mirror

until I call you up.

That's all I'm gonna say.

So, everybody, right hand up.

- I...
- I...

...give permission...

...give permission...

...that I can be used
in this isolation experiment.

I'm serious.
I need to hear that.

And I approve.
It's okay.

While my brave volunteers
take turns

sitting in
this isolation chamber,

I'll be here in nerve center
with Billy,

where I can monitor them closely
and be ready

in case this cursed mirror
has a negative effect on them.

Close on her face.

This is really weird.

I almost feel like
I'm looking at somebody else.

The belief is,

is that if you stare
into this mirror long enough,

this Scrying process

that you can connect
with your own psychic mind,

even if you never thought
you had one.

You almost go into
a state of hypnosis.

You start seeing
into the spirit world.

You see into the afterlife
using this mirror.

As I send them downstairs
one by one,

they all appear to have
different experiences,

depending on how they choose
to interact with the mirror.

Come out and show yourself.

Dude.

Is there something in the mirror
that wants to come out?

Weird.

What'd he say?

Dude, I just saw myself old --
really old.

Aaron apparently had a reaction
to the mirror.

Sometimes it just takes
the right energy to unlock.

All right.
Now let me see you.

I saw me.
Let me see you.

Whoa.
What was that look?

I don't know.

I just saw something.

Ashley sees an unexplained
light in the mirror.

And what makes this interesting

is that while Aaron is alone
in the isolation chamber,

he too sees
the same mysterious light.

Like a light.

It's not a shadow.
It's like a light.

It's a weird feeling
in here, guys.

I heard something right here --
just, like, scuffle,

and I just got ice-cold.

If you're in the room here with
me, which I believe you are,

can you show yourself
in this mirror?

Should we get her out?

I decide
to conclude our experiment

and gather everyone

in order to analyze
their separate experiences.

And then also I saw this light,
like someone came in.

- I thought the cam, like someone came in the back.
- I saw the light, too!

- What did you see?
- It was on the right?

Yeah. And I looked over,
and there's nothing there.

So, you guys thought
that the experiment just ended?

The experiment just began.

Round 2 happens
in your bed -- tonight.

So, tomorrow morning,
when you wake up,

I want you to tell me
what you dreamed about.

And I want to see
if there's any marks on you.

You would've gone down there,
right, still?

No. It's too late.
I already did it.

I will continue
to monitor the effects

this mirror may have left
on my volunteers

and will be watching
the rest of my museum

under heavy surveillance
for the next 24 hours.

I captured some very disturbing
evidence on my phone.

Basement...

Looks like we have
a mannequin drowning.

As you can see...
it's all water right there --

about 12 inches.

Spirits can cause floods,
I believe.

My God!

What the ****

Holy ****

Just heard sounds
coming from right here.

Hear that?

A loud noise
is coming from in here.

Just capturing it.

All this water,
you don't want to touch that.

That's enough for me.

There is no history of flooding
in this basement, and the fact

that it's just less than
12 hours after our experiment,

it is hard to believe
this is coincidental.

At this point,
I believe this mirror

to be the most dangerous
possession I own.

This is called murderabilia.

I'd never heard of murderabilia

until I got Charles Manson's TV.

Charles Manson's television.

I'm Nick, and I've bought
Charles Manson's TV.

When that happened,
bad things started happening.

My life
just started to go downhill

and spiral out of control.

My mother died.

I was out of work
for four months.

And a guy died in my driveway.

And I need
to get it away from me

before anything worse happens.

- Hey, how's it going?
- Good.

- Come on in.
- Yeah.

- You want to set it there.
- Put it here?

Yeah. Are we gonna watch
a video?

I don't know if you want
to watch a video on this TV.

- Is that right?
- I'm Nick.

Hi. Zak. Have a seat.

Nice to meet you.

- How are you doing?
- Good.

So, you've --
you've brought a TV?

Yes.

This is, Charles Manson's TV.

Charles Manson's television?

It was.

Okay, how did you acquire
Charles Manson's television?

I buy and sell cars,

and this car sat in a field
in Tuscola, Texas.

It's a real small town.

And the guy I bought it from

told me Charles Manson's TV
was in the back,

and I thought,
"Yeah, okay, sure."

So, I get it home
and start cleaning it out.

And, sure enough, in the back is
this little black-and-white TV.

It says "Pelican Bay Prison,"
it's got his name on the back,

and next to the TV

is a box with some letters
in it -- from Manson.

Handwritten letters
from Charles Manson?

- Yeah.
- With the television?

Yes.

Why is this stuff in this car?

Apparently,
the guy that owned the car

was corresponding with him.

Was corresponding
with Charles Manson?

Yes.

This is already a crazy story.

Yeah.

This is called murderabilia.

I'd never heard of murderabilia
until I got this item.

Okay.

Let me ask you something, Nick.

When you set it down, I said,
"Are you gonna play a video?"

and you go, "Well, I don't think

you want to watch
anything on this."

And I can tell by the way
you said that,

it sounds like other things
started happening to you

once you took
possession of this.

Yes.

Okay, please.

I've had the TV,

I want to say since about 2012,
maybe 2013.

And for the most part,
I kept it in the garage outside.

We sold the house,
kept it in our bedroom area.

You brought the TV
into your bedroom?

- Yes.
- Okay.

When that happened,
bad things started happening.

Was out of work for four months.

And my mother died in 2015.

Sorry to hear that.

She was real young.

That was pretty hard.

Yeah.

Just, random things
would happen.

I live on the highway.

There's not a lot of houses
where I'm at.

A guy got hit by a car
on a motorcycle

and died in my driveway.

This guy knocks on my door,

and he says,
"Can I use your phone?"

I said,
"Who are you? What?"

He says, "I hit a man on a motorcycle.
I think he's dead."

And I look down,

and there is a man
in my driveway laying there.

There's a motorcycle in pieces.

Dead? He's laying dead?

So, all this
started happening --

all this bad stuff
started happening

when you put this in your room?

Yes.

I would call myself a skeptic

when it came to
this type of a deal.

But I have a good buddy,

and anytime
something bad would happen,

he'd say, "It's the TV."

- Really?
- Yeah.

When did you
start thinking that,

"This TV that I brought into
my room has bad energy to it"?

When so many bad things
had happened

and I'd gone through so much,

I got to a point where I said,
"Yeah, I believe it's the TV."

Where's the TV being stored now?

I have a good friend
named Ashley,

and I shipped it to her.

When you shipped it to her,
how did things start feeling?

Better -- much better.

- Really?
- Yeah.

So it happened that soon?

Yes.

So, I want to know
a little bit more about this TV.

Okay.

Nick, your friend -- he went
through a lot of bad luck,

bad stuff in a short time period

after he decided to put
this TV in his bedroom.

And so, what I'm trying
to do is,

I'm trying to see
whether or not this TV

really does have
some type of energy

that was infused in it
by Charles Manson.

So, when you got the TV,

did you feel anything from it?

Well, you can
definitely, like...

you can feel
a weird energy from it.

It's the kind of thing you don't
really want to have around.

I didn't really want
to keep it inside.

So I didn't keep it
directly in my apartment,

just in case.

'Cause I didn't really
want to be that close to it.

It's interesting --
I've heard a lot of objects

that are affiliated with death

are haunted by people
that have put the curse

on the objects,
like the Conjuring Chest.

It's interesting to me

to have a television set
owned by Charles Manson,

who was able to get into
the minds of people --

his Manson family --

to literally brainwash them
to go kill people.

I'm trying to grasp my mind

around how would Charles Manson,
who is still alive,

curse an object
that he had possession of.

Does he imprint some of his
electrical mental impressions

into these objects,
ships them to other people

knowing that they are cursed
and that his energy

or whatever he inflicted
on these objects

is now being released
onto people that own them?

I'm just trying
to theoretically think --

How would this TV be cursed

and do bad things
to somebody like you?

I think when you have something
like this around you,

the bad vibe
of who Charles Manson is

and what he's done

Absolutely.

may have an effect on you
by keeping it close to you.

Do you feel that these events
are connected to this?

They have to be.

Ladies and gentlemen,

I'm about to interview
Charles Manson's grandson.

Nick Kloster is the owner
of a television

that belonged to Charles Manson.

We're discussing the possibility

of Manson's evil energy
being transferred to this TV.

The baggage that comes
with something like this --

the spookiness of it,
I guess you could say --

that gets to you.

And, like I said,
I fought it for a long time

and thought, "No, that's
not true. That can't be true.

I don't believe
in that kind of things."

But it got so bad
where I thought,

"There's nothing else
it could be.

It's got to be
this kind of stuff.

And I need to
get it away from me

before anything worse
happens."

What do you have with you?

These are letters
that were found

in the car with the TV.

And they're all written
by Charles Manson.

Are you serious?
If they had a relationship...

They did.
They wrote for years.

"You send me something ****,

you little something ****"

So, a lot of cussing.

- A lot.
- Wow.

So, were you able
to do any research

on the guy
who sold Nick the car?

Yes.

Why would this guy
sell this car to Nick

with all this stuff in it?

Did Charles Manson start getting
inside the mind of this guy

and writing him all these
letters and cussing him out

and then sent him a TV
that possibly cursed the guy

to just want to just take it,
put it in a car,

and "Let me sell
the whole damn thing."

Yeah, I believe he was
a criminology major.

He started writing
to all these people.

And there's letters
not just from Manson.

There's letters from Ramirez,
the Son of Sam.

But the Manson letters,
are they directed to this guy?

- Yes.
- They are.

Every single letter he has
is directed to him.

So there was
a relationship there?

Absolutely.

There's even a letter
I think in the back of here,

that allows him a visit.

I don't know if he ever took it.

Do you know if his life
just fell apart?

I know he's in prison now.

He's what?!

I don't know
exactly what happened.

I'm still trying
to figure it all out.

But I've heard he hired people

to break into
his stepdad's house

and rob and murder him.

My... God.

He's currently in prison.

He convinced people
to kill his stepfather?

No, it didn't work.
It didn't go through.

- But he did this?
- Yeah.

Holy ****

That's what
he's in prison for, yeah.

What did Charles Manson
used to do?

He got inside
the minds of people

and had them do his dirty work.

This story just took a big turn.

Do you think that Charles Manson

got inside the mind of him
while they were corresponding?

I could see that.

Yeah, I mean, the stuff in here
is really dark.

They may have talked, even.

It may even gone further
than even letters.

Interesting.

Locked up in prison,

Manson -- he's not
out on the streets.

But his belongings are,

and his belongings are
still having the same effect.

What do you want
to do with the TV now?

Would you like
to get rid of it today?

I'm offering to take this
off your hands

for the simple fact
that, to me, how it's cursed.

I study these things.
I research these things.

So I want to do
some studies on it.

I want to do some investigating
of the television set.

Thank you for coming out here
and sharing your story.

- I appreciate it.
- Absolutely.

Nick Kloster
believes this television

is the cause for his life
to make a terrible turn

and wanted to get rid of it.

So I am now the owner
of a possession that belonged to

perhaps the most heinous killer
of all time.

Could this TV, that has
Manson's name on it,

could he have imprinted
his energy into this TV?

The TV still works.

I'm more curious
as to know what happens

when you turn the TV on
and you watch the screen.

There's only one way
to find out.

All right, it's on.

Ooh. Hear that?

Just felt the static electricity
come from the TV to my hand.

Never thought about that --
the static electricity

that these TVs generate
when you touch the screen.

All I do know is that I just
added another interesting object

to my collection
here at the museum.

Ladies and gentlemen,

I interview
a lot of interesting people.

I've interviewed
satanic priests.

I've interviewed
"Dracula's" Vlad Tepes.

I've interviewed his ancestor,
a princess.

But right now...

I'm about to interview

Charles Manson's grandson,
Jason Freeman.

And I believe
that he is about to tell us

that he wants
to make a change today.

And I want to ask him

if his grandfather
has the ability

to infuse dark energy
into objects, like this TV,

and affect others, like Nick.

How you doing, buddy?

Good, man.
Nice to meet you.

Thank you for coming out here.

You know, I just have
some questions for you.

You can go as deep as you want.

You don't have to give me
your whole biography.

Yeah.

But everybody wants to know,
you know, what it was like,

what it is like.

What it is like?

What it is like being
Charles Manson's grandson.

You know,
if I wanted to kill somebody,

I'd take this book
and beat you to death with it.

And I wouldn't feel a thing.

It'd be just like
walking to the drugstore.

Well...

growing up, I was...

which I understood what
my mom and dad did, you know.

They didn't want
that Manson name

to haunt me
or haunt my childhood

to where I couldn't have
a childhood.

My mom and my grandma just said
to never talk about it,

never bring it up, you know?

It's a cursed name that should
never be talked about.

- And she was married to your grandfather, Charles Manson?
- Yeah.

Him and I,
we've been speaking on and off

for the last 3 1/2 years.

- You have?
- Yeah.

What was that like?

After so long of not having
so many questions not answered

and just being left in the dark
with the whole situation

of knowing
who my grandfather was --

Nobody would talk
to me about it,

and I wasn't allowed
to speak about it.

And... it felt great.

Have you visited him in prison?

No. Before he does pass,
we have to be face-to-face.

I've got to see him.
There's no getting around it.

What would you tell him?

I would give him a hug.

That's what I would start with.

Yep.

And how do you
correspond with him?

Phone and letters.

Can you tell me
about your father?

Yeah -- Charles Manson Jr.
that lived on the streets.

He didn't have protection,
like they would behind bars.

He was 11 or 12

when my grandfather
was involved with those murders.

How did he deal with that?

I think the way
he dealt with it finally

when he was 37

is he killed himself.

That's how he dealt with it.

I just want to show
the world changes within us.

And I want to lift this curse
off our name.

I'm talking to Jason Freeman,

who is the grandson
of Charles Manson.

How are you doing now?

Great.

I wrote a book
about four years ago

called
"Knocking Out the Devil."

What is this book about?

Just my life story.

You know, just -- just --
just going through struggles.

Sitting in jail,
I had to find change.

I was on a path to --

when you look at my
grandfather -- life in prison.

You look at my father -- dead.

I'm a third-generation.

What's gonna happen to me?

I'm gonna end up --
I'll be dead.

I'll be dead or locked up
for the rest of my life.

Do you think
a lot of the hardships --

just the affiliation
of your grandfather

and what he's done
and trying to cope with that --

did you have issues
just trying to accept that?

I've got a personality
that's just --

like my mind's
overwhelmed with, um...

- Thoughts.
- Thoughts.

- We're alike.
- Yeah.

- We're definitely alike.
- Yeah.

Let me ask you a question, okay?

To your right, there's
a little TV sitting there.

Apparently, this is your
grandfather's television set.

There's a manual here
with some writing on it.

Can you tell if that's
your grandfather's writing?

Yeah. For sure.

Is it?

Yeah.

That is? Okay.

You've authenticated
Charles Manson's writing

on there, and you didn't get up
and look at it.

This is an old TV.

Do you think
that your grandfather

infuses his energy
into his objects?

Yeah. Yeah.

When you get his letters,

can you feel something
from the letters?

I feel energy.

Mental power?

Yeah. Yeah, on both sides.
You know, it's good and evil.

I mean, we're all made up
of good and evil.

Really powerful, man,
to hear your story

what you've overcome,
how you are now.

I want to lift that curse
off my family name.

I want to be baptized.

I just want to show the world
that change is within us.

I want people to see

that if I can change,
with my family roots,

that everybody's got
the opportunity

to make a change in your lives

and if they can build
their energy

off the positive energy
that I carry and that I have,

even though
I've been through the gauntlet.

Well, being here right now,
this is your first step.

We're gonna be a part of it

'cause we've arranged
for this baptism,

and we're gonna do it.

- Really?
- Yeah.

All right?

I want to put on a shirt
that my grandfather sent to me.

And I want to wear that shirt
in the baptism.

Absolutely.

And I want to lift this curse
off our name.

All right.

- So you're ready?
- I'm ready.

- Let's do it.
- Let's rock.

All right, brother.

Good job, man.
Let's go do it.

Jason came to me looking
for a way to cleanse his past,

so I have arranged
for a local pastor

to perform a baptism.

As a symbol,
Jason wants to wear a shirt

that was a gift from
Charles Manson, his grandfather.

This shirt that I'll be wearing
in the baptism

is a gift
straight from my grandfather.

Ready?

I'm always ready.

I definitely want to be baptized

to lift this curse
from my family's name,

to lift the burden
off my shoulders

and just give the family name
a new start, a fresh start,

starting with me.

- Pastor Doug.
- Nice to meet you.

Thank you for meeting us.
This is Jason.

- Jason. Doug.
- Nice to meet you, sir.

- All right, shall we begin?
- Let's do it.

Go ahead and sit down,
if you would.

Jason, I baptize you

in the name of the Father,
the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

Right on, man!
Cool!

Hopefully, this will
give Jason a fresh start

and lift the curse
off his family's name.

All right,
here's to new beginnings.

New beginnings, brother.

Right on.