Catfish: The TV Show (2012–…): Season 8, Episode 48 - Kailan & Jordan - full transcript

- We've got Kailan and Jordan.

Met when they were 10
or 11 years old.

- Do you feel like
you love Jordan?

- Yes.

He's every single thing
I want in a man.

- Oh, we got a Twitter account.
- [gasps]

- Tahj.
- Who the hell is Tahj?

- Something's going on here.

There's no evidence that
a Jordan exists anywhere.

- Over the years, though--like,
12 years, really?

- Oh!



- Oh, [bleep].
- Hello. Who's there?

[intense music]

♪ ♪

All right.
Well, call time was 7:30 today.

A little early.
Kamie's still not here.

I was gonna keep waiting
before I had my breakfast,

but it's getting cold.

Oh!

Look who decided to show up.
What's up, Biggie?

There she is.
[chuckles]

Looks like she's going
to the couch.

It's not that early. Come on.

- It's early enough!
I'm not a morning person, Nev.

You know this about me.



Thank you.

I just get a little angry when
I don't have my iced coffee

immediately when I wake up.

- Shall we?
- We shall.

Come on, Biggie.

- All right.
Oh, we got an email.

Here we go.
Here's an email from Kailan.

"Hey, Nev and Kamie.
I'm in a bit of a dilemma.

"I met this guy named Jordan
in a teen chat room site

"12 years ago,

"and just by conversation,

"our relationship skyrocketed.

"We messaged all the time

"and started talking
on the phone for hours.

"We were obsessed
with each other,

"and as we got older,
we flirted more and more

and started having
feelings for each other."

- ♪ I can give you love like,
love like ♪

♪ You ain't never seen
in your life, your life ♪

- "Currently, I'm 23,
and I live in Indiana.

"He's 22 and live
in Orlando, Florida.

"So I guess it makes sense
that it would be hard to meet.

"But after being on and off
for all these years,

"we are now most definitely on.

"He's the constant in my life,

"my first online friend
and my ideal man.

"He understands me,
and now that we're older,

I'm ready to meet
the love of my life."

- ♪ I can give you love like,
love like ♪

- "But we've tried to meet up
twice before.

"Both times, I flew to Florida,

"only to be stood up.

"Not to mention,

"I can't understand why
he doesn't want to FaceTime

"or, recently, even talk
on the phone.

"It leaves me feeling uneasy
about who he really is.

- Same, sis.

- "We talk about a future
together,

"including marriage and babies.

"But I'm still worried.

"Would you guys please
help me shake this feeling

"so I can love him freely
without these thoughts?

Kailan."

- Um, I think the thoughts that
Kailan has are right on point.

- Let's send a little
texty-text to Kailan.

- To Kailan.
Reporting for duty.

- So wait a second.
Kailan is 23.

- Mm-hmm.
- And they met 12 years ago.

That's a--that means
she was 11.

- Exactly.
- And he was ten.

Are people catfishing at ten?

- Who knows what Jordan told
Kailan when they first met.

- Right.
- I'm sure they weren't saying,

"Hi, I'm Kailan.

I'm 12 years old."
They were saying, "22."

- Oh, you think they were both
lying to each other

when they first met?

- Were you not on chat rooms
when you were--

- No, I wasn't. I never did.
- Well, I was.

I was always 21.

- Oh, she wrote back.
"Hey, guys.

Oh my God, are you guys
coming to save the day?"

- Absolutely.
- "Come in our Zoom."

- We should be back-to-back.

Hey!

- Hey.

- What's up, Kailan?
- Hey. What's up, what's up?

- Did you grow up in Indiana?
- Yes, I did. I grew up here.

- What do you do for work?

- I'm a mail carrier.
I'm a mail lady.

- Let's do a test.
- See if he'll bark at her?

- Biggie, look.
She's a--she's a mailwoman.

- [laughs]
- What do you think?

- What do you think?
Can you tell? Can you tell?

- I gotta have my uniform on.

- Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
- It's the uniform.

- Very cool.

- Yeah, but I went to school
for a year.

I did pre-med.
- Why did you stop?

- I got pregnant.

I got pregnant
with my daughter.

- Wow.
- So how old's your daughter?

- She's three now.

- Were you dating her father?
- I was at the time.

But, um,

she's not my only kid.

I have twin boys.

- Wow. How old are they?
- They are one.

- And you're no longer
with their father.

- Mm-mm. Not at all.

- You have a lot on your plate.
- I do.

- Geez.
And then Jordan, who's...

- Then Jordan.

He's in the midst of all that.
He was just always there.

- Well, so, the first thing
I said to Kamie

when I read the email was,

if you guys met when he was 10
and you were 11,

hard to imagine
what he might have lied about.

Were you on there as yourself,
being honest?

- No.
I was on there saying I was 18.

- See?

- How old did he say he was?

- He was 19.
- See?

- So what if he really was 19?

- Ew.
- Ew. Right.

- I feel like people expected,

on any chat room,
that everyone was lying...

- Right.

- About their age
and their location.

For sure.
- Yeah.

- So what kind of chat room
was this?

- Me and Jordan was talking
in an astrology chat room.

- What's his sign?
- Guess.

- Oh, I don't know,

'cause I don't know
anything about him.

Don't tell me he's a Cancer.
- No. He's a Taurus.

- I mean, it would explain
why he hasn't shown up yet,

'cause Taurus
are notoriously lazy.

- [laughs]

- Just sort of take us back

and, like,
tell us the whole story.

- Okay, so me and Jordan met
in a chat room,

and we just started talking,
learning about each other,

as far as, like,
the simple stuff.

And then we really
got deep in there.

- So--okay,
so you met in the chat room,

and then what?

- We switched over to Kik.

Then I ended up
getting my own phone,

and it turned into
phone calls, late at night.

- And how would you describe
the way Jordan sounds?

- Well, you know, puberty--

it was the little kid voice,

so it sounded like a female.
I ain't gonna lie.

- Mmm. Mm-hmm.

- Did you ever feel like
he was your boyfriend?

- At a point, we were dating.

Around, like, freshman year,

called each other boyfriend
and girlfriend.

And then, since then,
we were on and off.

But every single time,
y'all--every single time,

the vibe never left.

It was like, we just pick up
where we left off.

- Wait a second, so--okay,
so you met in the chat room,

and then you said you guys
switched over to Kik.

When you were in high school,
did you guys...

- It was more--

- Connect on other
social media?

- Well, we connected
on Snapchat,

but he never
really posted himself.

He was posting quotes.

- What do you know about him?

- What does he do?
Like, what's his job?

- His life.
- Yeah, tell us about Jordan.

- He said he was doing
construction at the time.

And then he ended up
quitting his job

and started focusing
on stocks.

- So when you were dating
your ex and you got pregnant,

how was that
for you to have to tell Jordan?

- I was scared.

I didn't want to lose the
relationship we had, you know?

And when I finally just said,

"Forget it,
I'ma just tell him,"

he was more excited than me.

He was happy for me.

Then the twins came.

That's when I'm like, "Aww,
I'm finna lose him this time,

'cause what the [bleep],"
you know?

When I told him
about the twins,

when I tell you
he made me start accepting it--

- Whoa.

- It was amazing
how he helped me

get through
the whole situation.

"Everything happens
for a reason."

That's what he told me.

- Do you feel
like you love Jordan?

- Yeah.

- Have you guys said
that you love each other?

- Yes, we have.

He actually was
the first to say it.

I just feel like
he understands me

more than any man
that I have ever dealt with.

He's every single thing
I want in a man.

- I mean, I'm trying
to find something

not to like about this guy.

He seems great.

- But he has said
he was gonna see you.

- Mmm.

- And you went
to Florida twice?

- Yep.
I went to Miami before that.

I texted him,
"I want to see you."

And he was all, "Okay, yeah.
That's dope.

We're gonna walk the beach.
We're gonna do all this."

And I get there, he's like,
"Oh, I got work."

I was a little upset,
but I didn't want it

to ruin the trip,
so I just let it go.

- And then was there
another time

that you went to Florida?
- Yes.

In 2019,
I actually went to Orlando.

He was like, "Sorry something
came up last time.

I have to see you this time."

And I was out there
for three days.

Didn't text me back.
Didn't call me. Nothing.

I was pissed off.

I stopped talking to him
for two months.

That's when I started thinking,
like, something's not right.

- So I think we have to assume
that either

he doesn't live in Orlando,

or he's not the guy
in the pictures.

Those are the first two,
most obvious reasons

why he might not show up.

Have you asked to FaceTime?

- I have.
- Why hadn't that happened?

- He would be like,
"Okay, I'ma call you tonight,"

and never call.

- Classic.

And do you talk
on the phone now?

- He hasn't been
calling me at all.

- When was the last time you
spoke to Jordan on the phone?

- When we were kids.
- Like, five, six years ago?

- Yeah.
- Oh, my God.

So for six or seven years,

you guys haven't talked
on the phone.

- We didn't talk on the phone.
- Wow.

- How does he explain that?

- He's busy.
- That's weird.

Have you ever pressed him on it
and said,

you know, like, "What's up?"

- I pressed him
on the phone calls.

Recently, I told him
"I'm upset,

"because you keep saying you're
gonna call me. You never did."

- Do you have any messages
or pictures that we can see?

- Yeah.
- Show us the goods.

Okay, great.
- Oh, wait.

- Okay. Wait. Let's--
- Is that him? Cute.

- Go up a little bit.
Okay, here we go.

- Ooh!
- What?

"Lol, don't test
my pullout game.

I got that in any position."

And you said,
"[bleep], I can't wait.

Def want you to [bleep]
me the [bleep] out."

- Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

- I need a green flag.
- Oh, my God.

- I need a green flag.

- "Gonna have to give me
a baby,

the way you talking, lol.

I'ma wear you out
on the first night.

I'll be surprised
if you can keep up."

- Ooh.
- "I'm not pulling out." Wow.

- You said, "Get me pregnant,

we are getting married
for real."

- He said he wouldn't mind
getting married to you.

- I know, right?

- So yeah, sexting aside,
he has expressed to you

that he wants
to be your husband

and potentially have more kids.

- Yes.

- All right, well,
let's figure this out,

'cause you've obviously
been waiting a long time.

- Yeah. 'Cause I'm not
for these games at all.

I need to know.

- All right, so hang tight.

We will hit you up
once we find something.

- Okay. Thank you, guys.

- All right, Kailan.
- Of course.

- Appreciate you.
- Talk soon.

- Man.
- Wow.

- My initial thought is maybe
when they met on the chat room,

Jordan was honest about
how old he was. Right?

- She assumed they both lied
about how old they are.

- Right.

- But there's
a chance he didn't.

- Right.

- The other possibility
is that Jordan

was a young woman
when they met,

and the reason that they
stopped talking on the phone

was because her voice

didn't change into sounding
like an adult male voice.

- Oh, God.

- Jordan has something
good things going for him,

but there are obviously
some major red flags.

[dramatic music]

- All right.
Let's see what we can find.

What do you think
we're gonna find?

What are the...
planets telling you?

- It's some bull[bleep].
[both laughing]

- So here's what we've got.

We've got Kailan and Jordan
in their early 20s,

who met when they were 10
or 11 years old.

Communication was started

initially just through
a chat room.

Then it moved to Kik, and then
it moved to text and talk.

They talked
on the phone a lot,

and then stopped
talking on the phone,

but stayed in touch
over the years,

and are now very seriously
looking to meet up

and start a life together.

But, you know,
he won't FaceTime.

- Mm-hmm.
- She's been to Florida twice,

once to Miami,
where he was gonna meet her,

and then once to Orlando,

and he ghosted.

So something's up.
- Right.

- Okay, so let's just
start with some basics.

All right, we got an email.

"Hey, Nev and Kamie.
Thanks for taking my case.

"Here's everything
I know on Jordan.

Pics attached."

His name is Jordan Hammel.
He lives in Orlando, Florida.

Here's his number,
his Snapchat,

"and as far as I know,
he doesn't have any other

"social media,
and that's all I have.

"Let me know
if you have any questions.

I'm so glad you're on this."

All right,
let's start with pictures.

All right, we got
the first one,

in his car
with his seatbelt across.

[tense music]

No hits there.

♪ ♪

Here's another photo.

Okay, no hits there.

And then here's a weird one

that's, like,
been color edited.

- That was at the times,
you know.

- Right. That was a thing.

All right, so nothing
on the images, which is good.

It's not like he's some
model guy or famous vlogger.

- My initial thought is we have
to check Cashapp

and run the number there,

'cause he's had this number
for forever, so...

- That's true.

- He should have something
set up through the number.

- Right. Okay.

All right, so let's take
this phone number,

and let's run it
in our Cashapp.

321-[bleep].

- [gasps]

Tahj.

- Oh, that's the same Snapchat.
[bleep]-shots.

- Snapchat.
- So that's definitely him.

- But who the [bleep] is Tahj?

- Well, I mean, who knows?
But that's--you were right.

- That's a good--yes.
- That's a good first clue.

- Mm-hmm.

- Jordan has a Cashapp with the
same username as the Snapchat,

but his first name on here
appears to be Tahj.

Why isn't it Jordan?

Now that we know he uses
the [bleep]-shots username,

let's do a little bit
of searching on that.

- Oh!

- Stocktwits.
He's a stock guy, right?

- Right. Hmm.

- Okay, so--uh, okay,
but it did show up

as a username
on a stock trading website,

which, again, makes sense.

- This is his favorite
username, obviously.

- Right.
So let's look up the Snapchat

and just see
if there's anything on there.

I mean,
she's obviously done that.

- Mm-hmm.

- But what does
the Snapchat look like?

[bleep]-shots.

Hmm. "Wavy."

- No picture.

- Yeah, nothing.

All right, so wait a second.
What else?

Hold on.
Let's go back to the email.

All right, let's do
a phone search then.

It should come up
to Jordan Hammel, right?

All right,
let's do it on Spokeo.

Click "phone search" here.

- Tahj! Hammel.

- Wow. Wow!

- Old address is Florida.
- Orlando.

Okay, so there was a time

when this number
was registered to Orlando.

Okay. Well, this is good.
We're getting somewhere here.

Oh!
We got a Twitter account.

- Okay.

- What is this?

"Slim eye Tahj."

Miami Beach. Interesting.

This is obviously--
what are you seeing?

- What are you not seeing?
- Wha--I don't know.

Oh.

That's a woman.

Right. Okay.
Well, hold on a second.

And then here's--
this is the same person?

- Mm-hmm.
- Okay.

Well, this is good.
We're getting somewhere.

- Right.
- So this is the Facebook

account that comes up
associated to the number.

This can't be a total mistake,
because the Cashapp says Tahj,

and now the phone number's
coming back to a Tahj.

Look, the URL even says
"tahj.hammel."

And there's an Instagram
account, "tahj mahall."

- Rainbow.

- Well, if Tahj is a lesbian...

- Maybe when she was younger,

she was trying
to experiment with...

- Maybe.
- Her sexuality.

- Now, this is all connected
to the phone number.

If he got the phone number
when he was a kid...

- Mm-hmm.

- Which, presumably he did,
obviously...

- Mm-hmm.

- It might come up
under a family member name.

- Could be a family plan.
- Could this be his sister?

- I was literally going to say
they kind of look alike.

They look like
they could be related.

- What do you--right. Yeah.

Maybe Jordan has a sister,

and the phone number
traces back to her.

Her name seems to be connected
to all this.

- I wonder if she follows
a Jordan.

- Mm.

I have to bring it up
on my phone to do this search.

All right, now Following...

and then let's search "Jordan."

Hmm. All right, well we're
on to something here.

There's obviously a connection.

The phone number is connected
to a Cashapp,

and on the Cashapp,
the name is Tahj,

which seemed very strange.

Then, we ran the phone number,

and it came back registered
to Tahj Hammel,

a woman, it would appear.

- Mm-hmm.

- Now, could be a sister.

But the weird thing is
there's no evidence

that a Jordan Hammel
exists anywhere.

- No.

- Like, if that's
your number...

- Mm-hmm.

- Why would your sister
come up?

- Mm-hmm.

- Why wouldn't you be
in the mix somewhere?

- Mm-hmm. Right.
- I don't know.

- Well, Kailan said it herself:
when she first spoke

to Jordan on the phone,
that she thought

she could have been
talking to a girl.

- Let's not ignore
the good news,

which is that
the name Hammel...

- Mm-hmm.

- Is associated with
the number.

- Mm-hmm.

- But the name Tahj
is something

that Jordan
hasn't told Kailan about.

So there's clearly been
some lying happening here,

and if there's one lie,

who knows how many lies
there could be?

[dramatic music]

[dark music]

- All right. Day two.

- Cheers.

- Cashapp was a great idea,
which gave us our first clue.

- Tahj.
- Tahj.

Which we then saw again

with the phone number
reverse search.

Hammel does seem to be
consistently the last name

associated
with Jordan/Tahj Hammel.

But the only connected
social media

appears to be for a woman.

- Tahj Hammel.

- I think we should just start
by calling Kailan,

going through everything
that we discovered yesterday.

[phone line trilling]

Hello.

- Hey. Good morning. It's Nev.

- And Kamie.
- And Kamie.

We've got some things
we want to talk about.

So give us a minute,
and we'll be ready in the Zoom.

- See you in a minute.
- See you. Are you ready?

Let's talk to Kailan.

♪ Go, Biggie. Go, Biggie ♪

Strut, strut,
strut, strut, strut.

Biggie has a nice little walk.

- All right. We are in.

Kailan is in.
Let's bring her into the Zoom.

- I see you
with the white tees.

- Hey, oh.
- The white tees.

- Yeah!
- Okay.

- You see this coordination?

- We don't even-we don't even
plan this stuff.

It just happens.
- I know. How are you?

- What's up? Yeah, hey, hey.

- I am good.

- All right, so what we want
to do is walk you through

what we found.

You might even have
some answers to questions

that we now have.

So let's dive in.

All right, so the first thing
we did was Google image search

for all the pictures
you sent us,

and none of them came back
with any hits, which is good.

If you had pictures of somebody

who was a social media
influencer or a model,

there's a good chance
those pictures might come back

to their Instagram
or a blog or something.

- Okay.
- So that was good.

So then we did
a Google search,

because you had given us
Jordan's Snapchat,

[bleep]-shots.

- Yeah.

- So we just thought, like,
okay, let's see

if that's a username that maybe
he uses on other platforms.

And the first thing that
came up was this hit

on a website called
Stocktwits, which made sense,

'cause you had said
he was into stocks, right?

So we were just thinking,
okay,

[bleep]-shots is a username.

- Mm-hmm.

- So then, Kamie had
a great idea,

which was to check Cashapp.

- Because you know,
to have Cashapp,

you have to register it
with your phone number.

- Right.

- So we did that, and then,
when we put in the number,

an account comes up:
[bleep]-shots.

The fact that the username
[bleep]-shots--

and that is Jordan's
username--

means that, like,
that is definitely him.

- Mm-hmm. Right.

- But weirdly, the name
on the account is Tahj.

Now, I'm gonna assume you've
never heard that name before.

- No. I haven't.

- That's not, like, a nickname
or a middle name or...

- No.

- Okay. Well, we thought
it was interesting.

So that was our first,
like, meaningful clue.

Now that we see
that phone number's associated

with someone named Tahj,

we thought, "Let's run
the phone number on,

like, a website
to do background search,"

and the number came back
to someone

named Tahj Hammel in Florida.

And you got the last name,

and now we've got the name
Tahj popping back up,

which is crazy, because
the Cashapp name is Tahj.

- Well, who the hell is Tahj?
- Right.

So on that same website,
it has here

some possible connected
social media accounts,

and the first one
is a Facebook,

and it's for someone whose name
on here is Tahj Mahal.

But if you look up here,
the URL, it's Tahj Hammel.

So it would appear that this
girl's name is Tahj Hammel.

Now, we can't really see
a lot on this page.

But you don't know
this girl, do you?

- No.

- 'Cause it says she's
from Miami, Florida,

which also, you know, fits.

- Ooh, if that's her...
[laughs]

- Well, and you said it--
yesterday--

sounded like Jordan's voice
was kind of girly.

So this is where
we started to think, okay,

well maybe there is a chance
that Jordan is a woman.

- Everything seems to be
pointing back to Tahj,

and nothing seems to be
pointing to Jordan.

- Right.

- ♪ When I was younger ♪

♪ You knew me better ♪

- It better not be no girl.

I just--that's not something
I can handle.

I'm a open book.
I was always open.

So for you to not take
none of those chances

just to straight up tell me,

that's disrespectful
and scary.

- I think it would be one thing
if this is Tahj,

and maybe they were
just trying to see

kind of what they want
in a romantic partner

and started exploring.

But the accepting photos
from you

and having sexual
conversations with you

is where I think that things
cross a major, major line.

- I'm getting a headache.

♪ ♪

- ♪ The devil spoke
so I leaned a little closer ♪

- Oh, my goodness.

'Cause over the years,
though--

like, 12 years, really?

Really?

- ♪ Because a faithful mind
makes ♪

- It's crazy.
- ♪ A very foolish heart ♪

♪ That loses its own way ♪

- Normally, we would reach out
now, at this point, to Jordan.

You could also text Jordan.

Either way,
we've got to make contact

and let Jordan know
that this is an opportunity

right now for him
to finally tell the truth.

- Would you guys
be able to do it?

'Cause I might snap if I do it.

- Sure.

All right, here we go.
It's calling.

[phone line trilling]

[dramatic music]

- Hey, is this--I'm looking
for Jordan, or perhaps Tahj?

- My name is Nev.

I'm from the TV show "Catfish,"

and I'm actually
filming an episode now

with a woman named Kailan,

who's been talking
to a friend online

for a long time named Jordan,

and she gave us this number
to get in touch with him.

[phone line cuts off,
tone sounds]

- [bleep]. I knew it.
I knew it.

- They hung up?
- They hung up. That was crazy.

It definitely sounded
like a girl, right?

- That was Tahj.

- Yo...

- So it doesn't totally answer
our question, but--

- The hanging up answers
the question.

- That's crazy!
What the [bleep]?

- Yeah, that's not a good sign.

So I think now we have to
follow up with a text message.

"Hey, it's Nev again.

"Didn't mean to catch you
off guard.

"Was just trying to connect.
We're hoping to help Kailan

"and Jordan finally meet up
after all these years,

"and we understand there are
some things about you

"Kailan might not know,
but want to help give you

an opportunity
to explain them."

- That's a subtle--
- Yeah.

That's gentle.
- Mm-hmm.

- I'll just end it with,
"Please take this all in,

and we can talk in an hour."

Okay, I'm gonna send this.

- Oh, wow.

I just have a headache.

Got butterflies.

It just is getting scary now.

12 years.

- Yeah. I mean--

- That's some crazy [bleep].

- Well, the text is delivered.

Feel like we should
give him a few minutes

before we follow up.

So maybe we take
a little break,

think about all that,
figure out questions

you might want to ask,
if and when we do get

Jordan/Tahj
to respond to our text.

- And try not to text him
and go off.

- Okay.

- All right. See you soon.

I mean, definitely
poked the beehive.

- We unearthed some [bleep].
- Yeah.

- For sure.
- Something's going on here.

- Yeah.

- And it is not as simple
as Jordan's a little shy.

- No.

I just feel bad for Kailan.
She's not happy.

And if Tahj comes
on the screen,

we're gonna have
some serious problems.

- Hey,

so I just got off
the phone with Nev and Kamie.

They just broke the news to me

that Jordan might not be
who he say he is.

That is a scary thought,
because after 12 years,

you would think
you know a person.

You would think
there was no lie.

You would just think
that everything is real.

I'm hurt. I'm definitely hurt.

- Okay.

We've given them an hour.
Are you ready?

- Let's see if we got
a response.

I doubt we did.
Doesn't look like it. No.

So all right.

Let's get our girl
back in Zoom.

[lively music]

Hey.
- Hey.

- All right, have you--
you haven't heard

anything from Jordan, right?

- Nothing. Nothing.

- Haven't responded
to our text yet, either,

and that's now
been over an hour.

We need to follow up.

- Re-strategize.
- Right. Follow up,

but maybe with a little bit
of a different strategy now,

because the sort
of straightforward, innocent,

"Hey, we want to help you guys
meet up" thing

doesn't seem to be
inspiring them.

- You could send a video
on Snapchat.

- Right.
We could also send a video.

- 'Cause maybe they think
it's fake.

- That has happened,

where people thought
I was lying,

and I'm not actually me.

Let's do a Snapchat video.

Hey, Jordan,

it's Nev and Kamie, and we're,
like we said earlier,

filming an episode
of "Catfish" right now.

And we are trying
to connect you with Kailan.

We know you guys have been
friends for a long time

and you both a lot
to each other,

so we just thought this
would be a great opportunity

to finally let you guys talk
and see each other.

And she's here now also
and wants to say a few things.

- Hey, Jordan.

We just trying to get
in contact with you.

I think it's time for us
to actually meet

and see what's been going on.

That's all I got to say.

- Great.
Actually, it ended right there.

Okay, so I think
that was pretty good...

- Yeah. I think so.

- And felt very genuine
and honest.

- Yeah.

- All right,
I'm gonna press send.

Is that cool? All right.

- Sent. Delivered.

- Oh, it says
sent and delivered.

- Okay.

- Whatever it is they have
to reveal or tell you,

it's pretty obvious

that this is the best chance
they're gonna get to do that.

If, at this point, they still
can't recognize that,

at the very least,

they owe it to you
to be honest with you,

even if it means
doing something that, you know,

will negatively affect them,

then you really have to
question how much they care

about your feelings.

Oh, it says opened.
- Ooh!

- So she's watching
it right now--

he's watching it right now.

- New chat!
- Oh. We got a chat.

- [laughs excitedly]
- All right.

Okay. New chat. Ready?

- Nope.

- What?

Is that what he calls you?
"Kay"?

- Yeah.
- No problem, Kay. I'll do it.

So he's responding sort of
to you in the video.

Which is good, right?

Just so casual. Okay, great.

"We are all
in a Zoom right now."

- Oh, my God. It's getting hot.

- "I'll text you the link."

- Y'all don't understand.

Like...
my heart is in my stomach,

and is, like, beating.
Is that a butterfly?

- All right, so now I've sent
the Zoom link on both Snapchat

and the text message.

- Is it gonna be Tahj?

- Well, it could also
just be someone totally random.

- Right.

- At any moment, Jordan might
just join the Zoom.

♪ ♪

[Zoom notification dings]
Oh!

- Oh, [bleep].

- Hello. Who's there?

[intense music]

- At any moment, Jordan might
just join the Zoom.

[tense music]

[Zoom notification dings]
Oh!

- Oh, [bleep].

- Hello. Who's there?

[dramatic music]

Oh.

- Hi.
- Who is this guy?

- Oh, [bleep].
- What the hell?

You gotta be kidding me.

Just casually sits down.
This is--wait.

Just hold on a second.
It can't be this simple.

- No, no, no, no, no.

- Oh, [bleep].

- Okay, Jordan?
That's you, right?

- It's me. Completely me.

- So hello.
- Nice to meet you guys.

- Nice to meet you.
- Hello.

- So can you explain why...

why it took this long
to meet up

and why we are even involved,

when it doesn't seem
that we need to be?

- Honestly, I would say,
over the last--what,

over the last decade,

a lot of growth...

a lot of growth
between me and Kay,

and I would say that I never
really had enough time.

You know, I've been busy
focusing on myself

in regards to investments
and stocks.

So it's really my goal to,
like, make sure

that I have financial freedom,

and I never had time
to balance a relationship

and then try to go
after my goals as well.

It just didn't mix up
as well together.

- Okay. Uh...

- So you're saying
we didn't link

because of your job, right?

- That would be correct.
Due to, you know,

trying to get to the next step
in finances, for sure.

- Okay.

I'm trying to get to the next
step in finances as well.

But I'm still sitting here
trying to make time for you.

So...

- I would say, in regards to,
like, pursuing things,

I feel like, you know,
we've only gone so far,

mainly because
we haven't seen each other.

- Well, but she's tried to,
right?

- Um...

yes, Kailan has tried.
But I've been very busy.

I would say,
for those reasons,

you know, it's unmotivating,
I should say.

- I don't know.
You seem pretty motivated

in your text messages to Kailan
about being with her.

- Giving her some [bleep].

- Having sex with her.

You can't meet up with her
for an afternoon in Orlando

or get on a FaceTime call?

- So the best way to put it is
literally, once again,

I've been very busy.

In regards to meeting up,
it was completely

out of the question,
'cause I work six days a week,

so there's no way for me
to just go ahead

and take a flight
to wherever she is.

- I know, but you said--when
she came to Orlando,

you said, "We'll meet up."

- Well, are you in Orlando
is the question.

- So currently,
I'm in Orlando right now. Yes.

I just feel like we never--

we never really planned it out.

- We did plan it.
- Okay. So we did plan it.

But once again,
though, like, me being busy,

I feel like it just wasn't
able to work out.

- So you can't give me, like,
five minutes of your time?

Even with, like,
a quick FaceTime call?

I'm pretty sure if you work

six days a week,
you have a day off.

- Sometimes I don't feel like
I have enough time

for my own family.

So it's not just you.
It's not.

- Wait, so--and you--
- Even though--sorry, Nev.

Even though
I work 12 hours a day,

seven days a week
on some Sundays,

with three kids,

you still don't have
one second for me?

- I mean, when you put it like
that,

it sounds--it sounds crazy.

But overall,
for my work schedule,

it just doesn't work out.

- I'm curious about
your work schedule.

How--what is your job?

- So I'm currently
a salesman for solar.

- So that's, like,
your day job.

- Yes.

And the other job
would be me going ahead

to do my investments.

So it takes a lot of time.

I just really--I didn't
have time to go ahead

and just take a vacation.

And I'm not trying to, like,
lead you on or anything.

Every time we talk,
it's always a spark.

So I feel like that's one
thing that I hold on to,

and I don't want
to let that go.

- Right.

But we do have
some sort of simple questions

that we need to get answered,

because we were very confused
by some things that we found.

So when we looked up
your phone number,

we found it was connected
to a girl named Tahj Hammel.

Do you know who that is?

- No.

- But I'm a little confused.
Because that's not your name.

- It is.
- It is your name.

- Yeah. It is.

- So-so, is Jordan
also your name?

- No. No.

So Jordan is my nickname.
People who are--like,

know me personally,
you'll call me Tahj,

'cause you know me
on that basis.

But other than that, though,
if you know me

in the virtual world,
you most likely call me Jordan.

- But wouldn't you consider

your connection/friendship
with Kay

to be close enough to tell her
your, you know, real name?

- There was no need
to change anything,

'cause I feel like
certain relationships,

they don't get
beyond the internet.

So it's like, why tell you
my personal information

if we're not even gonna carry
along to that further extent?

- Like 12 years, for example?

Yeah.

- So you were going to let me
fly out there,

with me knowing
your virtual name?

- I'm pretty secretive
upon certain things.

And I wouldn't say that this is
a huge secret of me being Tahj,

but it's like a,
if you know, you know,

and if you don't,
you just don't.

- Okay, and I think when
we called you earlier,

it sounded like a girl
answered the phone.

- Yeah.
That's just my friend.

- Okay.

Is that something you do often?

- What do you mean?

- Have a friend answer
the phone?

I was just curious.
In this case, it was a woman.

- Well, I mean, at the time
she picked up the phone,

so there's not much to say.

It's not something
that's regular.

- But if she's gonna answer
your phone,

and then I come on and say,
"Hey, is Jordan there,"

wouldn't the next thing
you'd say be,

"Yeah, hold on,"
or "Who's calling?"

- We said Jordan or Tahj.
- Right.

- Right. I even said that.
Right.

- So she would probably know
you by either name,

and still hung up the phone.

- So I mean, I'm not sure
when you guys called,

but at the time,
I just was not there.

That's the best way
to explain it.

- I want you to be real
with me.

- I feel like I've been real.

But in certain areas, I haven't
been transparent with you.

- Yeah, that sounds
like bull[bleep].

- You've had a relationship
with Kailan for 12 years.

It's okay to tell her the truth
about what's been going on.

- So let me talk. You done?
- No.

We're not done
until you tell us

who that girl
on the phone really was.

- You've had a relationship
with Kailan for 12 years.

It's okay to tell her the truth
about what's been going on.

- So let me talk. You done?

- No. We're not done
until you tell us

who that girl on
the phone really was.

- I guess you could say
the girl

who answered the phone
is, like, my girlfriend.

- Finally.
The truth comes out.

You understand how, like,
[bleep] all of this sounds.

Like, it sounds really bad.

- It wouldn't sound bad if you
just told me straight up.

- When were you gonna tell her
that you had a girlfriend?

- Oh. Hmm.

Well, honestly,
we just made things official

maybe, like, a month ago.

So I mean, I probably wasn't
gonna say anything

for some time, honestly.
Like--

- So you've got time
is what you're saying.

- Nah, I don't have time.

- You so smart,
then you sound so...

- [laughing quietly]
- Dumb.

- The vibe you're giving off
right now is, like,

"Hey, you know, I've been busy.

"Sorry.
I'm just--I work so hard.

You know,
I gotta get that money."

But, like--
- Yeah.

- But even if that's true,

it still makes you sound
like an asshole,

because you're the one
who made it seem

as though
you're very interested in her

and wanted more
of a relationship.

But I guess you didn't really
ever think you were gonna

meet up with her anyway,
so it was just sort of fun.

- So I'm so happy that
you said that last point,

'cause that goes
for most people

that I meet
in the virtual world.

- So with that being said,
how many other people

are you talking to the way
that you're talking to Kailan?

- Uh... [exhales]

that's tough to say.

- He gotta think.
- Honestly, like...

maybe three.

- You have four relationships
going on right now.

- Sorry, but the number sounds
so misconstrued.

I would say--
- I think it's basic math.

- Sounds basic to me.
- Three plus one equals four.

- Mm. Mm.

- Kailan, I don't know
what to tell you, sweetie.

This ain't gonna work out.

I'ma tell you that right now.
It's not gonna happen.

- I would--I would rather him
be somebody else.

- Maybe you guys caught, like,
an asshole vibe from me,

but I'm sure you guys
have ran into the situations

as to where you put
something on pause,

and then you maybe
came back to it in the future.

We've all done it. So.

- Which would all be
well and good

if you just relayed
that information to Kailan

instead of talking
about marriage and children

and wanting to put
a baby inside of her.

- I feel like, right now,

things don't align up
for us to be together.

'Cause you have three kids,
and I don't see myself, like,

actually tying down and being
the stepfather role regardless,

to be truthful with you.
I don't know.

But I think that's a really
great way for me to explain it.

- I have a headache.

I just feel like you sound
like every guy that's out here.

And I looked at you different.

Every other guy
wants to [bleep],

don't want to be there
for me and my children.

Don't bring my kids in it.

If you already knew

that you didn't have no future
with me,

don't make my kids the excuse.

You should have just been real

as far as not putting things
in my head

as to think there is a future.

You got a girl?
I want you to focus on that.

- If you want for girls not to
think that you're an asshole,

don't be giving off
that [bleep]-boy energy.

Don't make promises
that you know you can't keep,

and don't say anything
that you don't actually mean.

- Don't start telling girls
that you want to put

a baby up inside them
when you don't want to do that.

- If you are inside of a woman
and you have the feeling,

"I want to put a baby in her,"
pull the [bleep] out.

Pull out immediately.
- Right.

- Pull out immediately.
Get out.

- Kailan, anything you want
to say to Jordan right now

before we say goodbye to him?

- You have a lot
of growing to do.

You've grown, but you have
a lot of growing to do.

- Okay.

Hey, thank you guys.
Have a great day.

- [smooches]
- Okay.

- [flatly] You too.
[smooches]

- Did he do that?
Did he make a kiss sound?

- [gibbering mockingly]

Every time he spoke,
that's all I heard.

- No.

- Blah, blah--why couldn't
he have been the woman?

- Jesus. I'ma let him realize
that I was the best bet.

- Yeah, and he will, at some
point, probably realize that.

- And guess what,
even if he doesn't,

you go about your life
with your family,

and keep creating the future
that you want.

- Anyway, look, it's gonna
work out for you for sure.

- Mm-hmm.

- This is only going to
move you closer

to where you need to be

and the person
you need to be with.

- Yep. The book is closed.

And I really appreciate
you guys

for letting me
close this chapter.

- We got you.
- All right, Kailan.

Take care, all right?
We'll talk soon.

- You too.
- Okay?

- Okay.
I'll talk to you guys later.

See you. Bye.
- Bye!

- ♪ Kick my feet up
and take it slow ♪

[mellow electronic music]

♪ So many places I can go ♪

♪ ♪

♪ I don't need much
to make a home ♪

- We've got an Instagram
model, Diamond.

She comes across Steve,
also big on social media.

She starts doing whatever
she can to get his attention.

- Some titty pics.

- So I'm like, wow,
this is my soulmate.

- Oh!
They know each other.

Are we getting [bleep]ed with?

- I wasn't seeing that coming.
- This is about to be dramatic.

- Shut the [bleep] up.