Catfish: The TV Show (2012–…): Season 8, Episode 47 - Dey & Cody - full transcript

- ♪ MTV ♪

- We got Dey.
She found Cody.

She was 14.

- Honestly, it's more
than just, like,

"Oh, I have a crush on him."

We have a really
deep connection.

- Dey has been waiting
for this moment for 13 years.

Let's run his phone number.

What?

- No, no!

- Oh, oh, oh, he's typing.
- [gasps]



- I'm so nervous.
Oh, my God.

[gasps]

[dramatic musical sting]

- We're about to walk in
on our new,

finished "Catfish"
headquarters.

Go check it out?
- I'm scared.

What's it gonna be like?
Oh, my God, hey, guys.

- What's up, everyone?
- Oh.

I love it.

- My all-time favorite,
the trail mix dispenser.

- That's your favorite out
of all the snacks you see here?

- Yeah.

- Oh, my God.
First office mess.

Is that a good shot?
- Very creative.



Let's go, Smalls.

Wow, look at the plant babies.
They're all here.

- Two proper desk chairs,
look at this.

- We may begin.
- All right.

Let's open our email.
The subject is "LONG Overdue."

Mm.

"Dear Nev and Kamie,
my name is Dey.

"I live in Los Angeles,
and I'm writing to you

"because I'm finally
in an online relationship

"with someone I've had
a crush on for 13 years,

"but we've never met.

"His name is Cody,
and he lives in Iowa.

"Cody was a popular YouTuber,

"and I became a huge fan
of his content.

"I got obsessed with him

"and eventually started
trying to reach out to him.

"We finally connected.

"At first, it was very casual,

"but I was determined
to be more than just a fan.

"So about five years ago,

"I searched for his username
on Snapchat

and sent him a message."

Snapchat username.

- How do you know?
- Might not be the same person.

- How do you know
it's the same person?

- Well, let's see
what she says.

"To my surprise, he responded,

"and we have been
in contact ever since.

More recently though,
things have gotten serious."

- ♪ A stolen kiss and a storm
beating in my chest ♪

- "We're finally both single,

and he seems
to be super into me."

- ♪ Will you love me when we
come to our senses? ♪

- "We talk about having
a future together.

He even--"

- This is a lot of information.
[laughs]

- "He even cancelled
his vasectomy

because we want to have kids
together one day."

- ♪ Oh, can we make this
better or is this real? ♪

- "The problem is
that we never video chat

or talk on the phone."

- It's not him.
It's not him.

- "I really need your help
finding out what's going on.

Hope to hear from you.
Dey."

- Hmm.
- Let's text Dey.

Yeah, "Omg" is right.

- After 13 years,
we need to get Dey up in here,

sit them down,
wave these in their face.

- More like Dey-dreaming.
- Exactly.

- Hey!
- Hey!

- Hi!

- What's up?
- Oh, my God, hi.

- Hey, Dey.
- Wow, so wait.

So you're in Los--we're
in Los Angeles.

Where are you?
- Yeah.

- 'Cause I can probably
see you from here.

- We're gonna find you.
- Turn your lights on and off.

- [laughs]
Right now, I'm in Alhambra.

- Oh, a little further away.

- Out.
So tell us about yourself.

Have you always lived in L.A.?

- Yes.
- Cali girl.

- And how old are you?
- 27.

- '90s babies, hey.
- Yeah.

- Can't relate.

All right, well,
we read your email,

and we definitely feel
like there are some...

- I know, I know.
- Red flags.

- Everybody thinks
there's red flags,

but I am so trusting.

I 100%, like,
want to believe that it's real.

- Which Cody are
we talking about?

- Cody [bleep].
- Now, we have to Google.

- We gotta look him up.
Hold on.

Is this him?
Saturn [bleep] films?

- Yeah, he is, like,
super artistic

and, like, talented.

He's a photographer.
He does film.

Like, everything, you know?

- So how did you find him?

- I was looking up
another YouTuber,

and then,
at the end of the video,

he said, "Thanks to my editor,"
who was Cody.

And I just saw him, and I was
just like, "He's so cute."

So I would always
comment on his page.

He would just generically
be like,

"Oh, thanks for the support,"
that kind of thing.

I ended up finding him
on Snapchat

by searching
the Saturn [bleep] Films name

that is on his YouTube.

And right after I sent him
a message,

he sent me a message back,

and that's how
we started talking.

And then, on Snapchat,
he talks to me, like,

throughout the day,
all the time.

- How do you know that
it was his Snapchat?

- I don't know.

I just assumed it was
because of the same name,

like, the username
that he uses for YouTube.

- I mean,
it's a pretty specific--

- It is a specific name.
- This was a while ago, right?

- Yeah, this was around,
like, 2017.

- Do you still follow him
on all his other platforms?

- Yeah.

- And he's never acknowledged
you really or DMed you?

- I like his things or, like,
I'll comment on his pictures,

but he doesn't acknowledge me.

- That's not good.

- And the thing is,
on his Instagram,

he never deletes, like,
his ex-girlfriend's pictures,

but there's, like,
several ex-girlfriends.

- But no current relationship?
- Not that I can tell.

I mean,
I'm going based on what,

you know, like,
Cody on Snapchat tells me.

- Right.
- Mm-hmm.

- But on Snapchat
your friendship has been what?

Like, how did it progress?

- Yeah, so we've always
been friends,

but everything kind of changed
the beginning of the year,

because he was single,
I was single.

That's when we started
getting a little more close

and really wanting
to, like, meet each other.

- I mean, I'll say.

You guys are talking
about having kids.

- That just recently started.
Like, it recently came up.

It wasn't like we were always
talking about having children.

- Does he have kids already?
- No.

- So he was thinking about
getting a vasectomy

'cause he didn't think
he ever wanted to have kids.

- He doesn't want kids, yeah.

- But he's willing
to reconsider for you?

- Yeah, that's what he said.

- But he's not willing to get
on the phone or FaceTime?

- Exactly, and I've even tried
calling, but he won't answer.

- Wait, but so do you have
his phone number?

- Yeah.

- Have you talked
to him on there?

- No.

- So he's never, in any way,

corresponded with you
through the cellphone?

- No.
- I have a question.

Why are you putting up
with this?

Like, what is it about
this person?

I'm confused.

- Honestly, like,
it's more than just, like,

"Oh, I have a crush on him,
and he's just a random dude."

We have a really
deep connection.

- Okay.

- I feel like the main thing is
just, like, our mental health.

I am diagnosed schizophrenic,

and it was around 2019
when I was diagnosed.

So I was already
talking to him,

and I didn't want
to take medication,

and it was all part
of my--you know,

my disorder that
I had delusions to not take it.

So I talked to him.

He's literally the one
that got through.

You know, he said it in a way
where I understood.

So then I started taking
my medication every day,

and I did notice a difference.

So now every time that I feel
good and I'm okay mentally,

I'm like I can't--I
would have not been here,

if he wouldn't have
helped me then.

- Wow.

- And so especially now that
he's going through something--

he was recently diagnosed
with a disorder, as well.

He also was like,
"I don't want to take meds.

I'm scared,"
and so he finally got on meds,

and he's been doing
really well,

so I feel like we just help
each other out, in that way.

- Have you been dealing
with this, like,

for as long
as you can remember?

- No, I developed it around,
like, my 18th birthday.

I started hearing
random things

that weren't really there.

There's different types
of schizophrenia,

but my specific experience,
what I hear,

is kind of like a commentary
of my life all the time.

"She's getting off her bed.
She's grabbing her phone,"

so everything that I'm doing
it's literally being,

like, narrated in a voice...

- Wow.
- That's not my own.

- Like intrusive thoughts.

- Yeah, exactly,
it's a very intrusive thought,

and it's constant,
constant, constant.

So it's just very overwhelming,
but luckily, like,

when I am on medication
it kind of, like, fades out.

Like, I can just ignore it,

and it's so much
less stressful.

- Well, I think it's very brave
of you opening up

to us about that.

I can understand
why finding someone

who you can connect with
about that who understands,

and encourages,

and supports you in that way
is really meaningful.

- Yeah.

- And it makes me
like this guy,

but it's been 13 years.

He's a filmmaker.

- Yeah.
- You're on Snapchat with him.

Can't he just
send you pictures?

Does he send you little videos?

- No, so he doesn't
send me videos,

but he has sent me,
like, pictures.

- Okay.

- But the thing is I watch
"Catfish" all the time,

and I know this is one
of the things that--ugh.

He'll send me a picture--
- Oh, God, hold on now.

- That he's previously posted,
so, like,

he doesn't really send me,
like, original, original--

- No new pictures?
- No, yeah.

I was like,
"I'm going to call 'Catfish,'"

and then he backed off.

He's not the same now.
He's standoffish.

- Yeah.
- It's a red flag.

I know, trust me.

I know, but I mean even
if it's not really him,

I just want to know
who I'm talking to,

because it's been a long time.

- Can you plug your phone in

and show us some photos
and Snapchat messages?

- I mean,
I have some screenshots.

- Here we go.
- Oh, he's cute.

- Oh, and then this is where
the first time he ever said...

- Oh.
- He loved me.

He said,
"I do love you, dummy."

- Had you said it
to him before?

- Not before then, no.

- Who is this?

- That's his mom.

- Oh, his mom.

- All right, well, look.
Clearly, something's going on.

- There is a piece
that is missing in this story.

- I just want to, like,
put a face

to who I'm speaking to.

Even if it's not the face
I thought, I just want to know.

- I feel like we should be able
to figure this out.

- I love your confidence.
I believe in you.

- Send us an email
with the phone number,

anything else
you can think of.

- Got it, okay, cool.

- And let us get to work.
- Thank you, guys.

- Thanks, Dey.
- Bye.

I don't know.
It's just--it's weird.

- It's weird.

- Why would this guy be
so shady

about talking on the phone
or video chatting?

- And why,
when she mentioned the fact

that she was gonna contact us,
he backs off all of a sudden?

That's weird.

- Dey has been waiting
for this moment for 13 years,

and she deserves
to know the truth.

- Are you ready?

Are you inviting me to, like--
- Yes.

- Like a thing?
We're ready.

- I thought you were gonna
give me more of a--

- Oh, okay, all right.
Should we try that again?

- No.
- [laughs]

- All right, so what do we got?
We got Dey.

She found Cody
when she was 14 on YouTube,

had a big crush on him,

has been following him
ever since.

Then, five years ago,

searches his name on Snapchat,
and finds an account,

and they become friends
over Snapchat.

But their friendship
gets deeper and deeper,

because they open up
to each other about

their mental health issues
that they're going through.

- Mm-hmm.

- And they develop
this real bond.

- Then, earlier this year,
things start heating up

and moving in the direction
of this could be a thing.

They communicate exclusively
on Snapchat.

- Even though she has
his number, allegedly.

- But he won't
answer a phone call,

and he sent her
a handful of photos,

but most of them are just
from social media.

- Right,
it's not looking great.

- Right, let's first get email.
Okay.

"Everything I have on Cody."

"Hey, guys.
Thank you so much.

"Attached are the pictures
of Cody that I have,

"his number,

and here is all the social
media I have for him."

- Okay.

- So I think I just want
to look through his Instagram.

All right, so he posted
most recently a month ago.

- "Imagine a phobia of doctors.

"You build the gumption

"to meet a doctor that
actually wants to help you.

"He prescribes you something,
and your insurance denies it.

"I am in pain.
I'm hurting.

I need help."

Well, whoever Dey is talking to
is definitely mirroring a lot

of what Cody is saying
on his Instagram.

- Right.

- Who's the girl
in this picture?

- Interesting
that she's not tagged.

- Yeah.
- Ooh, there's a video.

- All right, so it's
Valentine's Day, or it was.

That's my girlfriend Lena.

- Lena, his girlfriend.

That's the girl
in all the photos.

- All right,
so February of this year,

he was spending it
with his girlfriend.

There's then lots of posts
of her since then,

going back as recently
as two months ago.

So the question is have
they broken up since?

- We don't even know if this is
the Cody that she's talking to.

- Let's go and see
who he's following.

- Hope we can find Lena.

- Yeah, is he following Lena?
Lena, Lena, there she is.

- Lena!
- There she is, Lena Salitto.

- This is definitely her page,
but she doesn't have anything.

There's nothing there.

- Yeah, Dey is on his Instagram
and sees this.

- Yeah.

- Like, did their friendship
only become flirtatious

since this potential breakup?

- She said,
at the top of the year.

- That's what I thought.

Let's ask her.
What's the deal with Lena?

- Oh.

- She knew he had
a girlfriend obviously.

She said it.

Maybe they broke up
on Valentine's Day.

- And then, since then,

he's just posted
a buttload of pictures of her?

- He likes his art.

- So now let's run
his phone number.

What?

And it comes up
for Lena Salitto.

- That--no.
- That's his ex-girlfriend.

- I know!
- Okay, so wait a second.

- No, oh, no!
Let's run out the Lena play.

Dey is all over Cody's pages
fangirling, doing the most.

- Right, someone sees that.

- Lena had to have had
the Saturn [bleep] Snapchat

already created

and had been behind it
the entire time.

- And just waited for her
to look it up and add it?

She says she actively
looked for

and discovered
the Snapchat page.

So if the ex is behind this,
that's a really long con.

- I don't know, I don't know.
- All right, hold on a second.

There's still more
in this email

that we haven't looked at.

There's a Facebook.

- "Happy International
Women's Day.

I love all the women
in my life"--oh, look.

- Look who's there.
- Lena and the mom.

Tracy [bleep], message her.
- All right.

- She'll know that for sure.
"Catfish," never heard of it.

She will know--Moms know
"Dancing With the Stars."

- And "Catfish."

Okay, and let's just see
what else comes up,

if we Google Saturn [bleep]
Films because what is that?

Oh, wait, Cody [bleep],
a Tumblr.

Okay, the YouTube.
What's Encyclopedia Pwned?

I've never heard of that.
What is that?

"Cody [bleep] Saturn [bleep]
Films is a god-awful filmmaker

"and an even worse vlogger

"who believes
that greed is good.

Like every other atheist,
he's a [bleep] apologist."

This is so weird.

- Why so mean?
Who wrote this [bleep]?

And do you mean
to tell me somebody

who was this [bleep] crazy

and would write
this entire thing about Cody

couldn't make a fake
Snapchat about him,

so that he doesn't have his
page or something like that?

- This whole website
is, like, very weird.

- I feel like we're, like,
on the dark web.

[phone chimes]
- Oh.

There's a phone call
from [bleep] Iowa.

Hello?

- Yes, it is.
Who's this?

- Thank you for getting back
to me so quickly.

Are you familiar with me
via my show "Catfish"

or my performance
on "Dancing With the Stars"?

- Okay, great.
All right, so listen.

I need a little help because
a young woman reached out

because she tells us
that she has been friends

with your son Cody
for a number of years now...

- And that in the last four
or five months,

that friendship has become

a bit more flirtatious
and intimate.

- Do you know anything
about this,

or has Cody mentioned
anything like this to you?

- Does he have a girlfriend?
- Is he in a relationship?

- Sure, but has he ever
mentioned her name?

- Okay, so from
what we understand,

he was in a relationship
with Lena for a while there.

- But that ended this year?

- So then, rather than you
telling us Cody's Snapchat,

if I tell you the name we have,

you can just say whether
or not that's his or not.

- The Snapchat name that she
has is Saturn [bleep] Films.

- Right, as far as you know,

he only has
one Snapchat account,

and it's not
Saturn [bleep] Films?

- Got it.

- Okay.
- Thank you.

- Bye-bye.

- Okay,
so from that phone call,

we have to assume Dey
is not talking to Cody.

- Mm-hmm.
- It's not his Snapchat.

- Right, and somebody
who knows him could be

impersonating him
talking to poor Dey.

Whoever made that website

about Cody has it out for him.

- I don't know.

This whole thing
just keeps getting murkier,

and stranger, and scarier.

I don't think it's Lena.

I have a feeling
that this is some weird person

on the internet
who has it out for him,

who likes to mess with him,
who's taken it way too far,

and that Dey might have
just gotten caught up in it.

- There she is.
- Good morning.

- Potato chips, want one?

- No, thank you.

- Do I want chips?
- No.

- Kind of, it's a little salty.

- I think you just want
a crunch,

or do you just want
a salty taste?

[upbeat music]

You [bleep] mother [bleep].

Oh, my God.

I was like, "Who bought
these ghetto chips?"

You know what?
I should have known.

- Assault-y snack.

All right, so look.

We know Dey
is not talking to Cody,

unless, of course,
his mom is lying to us,

and it's all
some weird coverup.

- I think we should
reach out to Cody.

- Oh.
- The fake Cody.

Saturn [bleep] Films.

I mean let's at least look
at the Saturn [bleep] Films

Snapchat that Dey has been
talking to.

- Cody Danger [bleep]?

- Well, let's see
if Cody Danger [bleep]

comes up anywhere else.

- Isn't that Cody right there?
- I think it could be.

- Cody [bleep] underscore.

- My name is Cody [bleep].
I hate--whoa.

- This is--yes.

This matches the other
weird-ass page about him.

It has all the racist [bleep].
- This is a troll.

- Yeah, super racist.

Wow, they're really trying
to get him in trouble.

- Yeah, writing all these
things as quotes from Cody.

- Yeah,
this is pretty aggressive.

- Clearly, somebody is trying
to get at Cody.

- Yes.

- Unless this is somebody else
who hates him,

and this is not
the same person.

- Okay, so Cody
clearly has an enemy.

- I think that somebody who has
been after Cody for a long time

has been behind the scenes
trying to meddle in his world

and in his life

and somehow knows
his girlfriend's

or ex-girlfriend's number
and decided to give it to Dey

because they knew
that Dey would then text it.

And then that would cause
strife in Cody's relationship.

- Right, but it didn't.
- How do we know?

- 'Cause she texted the number,
and they never responded.

- Yeah, 'cause it was Lena,
and she was like,

"What the [bleep]?"

And she probably sent it
to Cody

and was like, "What is this?"
and then they broke up.

- I don't know.
Something seems wrong.

- Cody has way more enemies.

There's a lot going on
with him behind the scenes.

- All right, let's text her.

- We got something for you.

[computer chimes]
- Oh.

Hi.
- Hi, how are you?

- What's up?
- Not much, just anxious.

I'm excited and nervous.

- We're nervous as well.
- Really?

That doesn't sound good.

- Let us walk you through the
sort of path that we went down.

- Okay.

- All right, so we went to his
Instagram, and obviously,

there's this girl,
and I think you already know--

- Yeah.
- This girl.

- Yeah, his ex-girlfriend.

- Right. This is Lena.
- Yeah.

- You said that they broke up
sometime, I guess,

at the top of the year,

but he's been
posting her a lot.

- Like, after they broke up,
yeah.

- Well, he posted this video--
- Yeah.

- On the day
after Valentine's Day.

Have you watched this video?
- I don't think so.

- As of Valentine's Day
this year,

they were very much together.

- And he says in the video
"my girlfriend."

- But this is on his Instagram.
You follow it.

Like, he wasn't
hiding this from you.

- No he wasn't,
but most of like--when

I ask him about pictures or,
like, anything

about his ex-girlfriend,

he says
that they're old photos.

But I mean seeing this and then
the February 14th?

Yeah.

- Well, before you put too much
into this,

we're not even sure
you're talking to this guy.

- Okay.

- So here's where it gets
weird.

When we ran the phone number

that Cody gave you,
it came up registered to Lena.

- What?
- Cody's ex.

- So could she be the one
that's, like, texting me?

- We started trying to figure
out how that would make sense.

You haven't had any interaction
with her, have you?

- No, never.
We have never spoken, never.

- 'Cause maybe she and Cody
were breaking up,

and she saw that Cody and you
were friends, and she was like,

"Oh, this girl's, you know,
messing with my man.

I'm gonna mess with her."

- Oh, my gosh.

- But then it doesn't
make sense either

because you added the Snapchat.

It's not like they added you.
- Yeah.

- Right.
- Or found you.

- Yeah.

- And they've been nothing
but nice to you.

- Yeah, that's very confusing.
That makes no sense.

- It doesn't make any sense.

We then continued
and found his mom.

- Yeah.

- So we were like, "Okay.
Let's talk to the mom.

Maybe she can help
make some sense out of this."

She called us.
- She did?

- And I said, "Okay,
well, here's what's up.

"We're trying
to help this girl.

"She says she's been talking
to your son.

Is your son
in a relationship?"

And she said,
as far as she knew--

- He was not in a relationship.
- Right.

- But she said he does have
someone that he's talking to.

- Oh.

- And so I said, "Is his
Snapchat Saturn [bleep] Films?"

And she said, "No, that's not
the Snapchat I have for him."

- Really?

- But obviously, at that
moment, we got concerned.

- Mm-hmm.

- If that's not his
Snapchat account,

who are you talking to?

- Yeah.
That's the big question.

- The next thing we did
was just a Google search

for Saturn [bleep] Films,

and it took us to something
called Encyclopedia Pwned.

Have you ever heard of that?
- No.

- So if you read this,
it says,

"Saturn [bleep] Films,
AKA Cody [bleep],

"is a god-awful filmmaker
and an even worse vlogger

"who believes
that greed is good.

Like every other atheist,
he's a [bleep] apologist."

- Wow.

- I mean it's just a lot
of trash talk about Cody.

- Wow.

- So then today we went back
to the Snapchat

that you gave us
for Saturn [bleep] Films.

- Oh, right.

- His name on Snapchat says,
"Cody Danger [bleep]."

And so we were like,
"Oh, let's search that,

and see if anything comes up,"
and it did.

- It brings up a super racist
Twitter page.

- What?
- You can read this.

- Wow.

- Obviously, we don't think
that this is the real Cody.

Someone impersonating Cody
made this Twitter in his name.

- To try to get him in trouble.

- Yes, and then used the
hashtag "Black Lives Matter."

- Well, right.
- Like, the audacity.

- Well, and to then
credit the tweet to him.

- Wow.

- And hashtag it so that
it would show up

in trending topics
for Black Lives Matter,

clearly trying
to start controversy

and create a problem for Cody.

- That's insane, yeah.

- Coming off
of the Encyclopedia Pwned

and then seeing this,
it became clear to us

that obviously there is someone
who really doesn't like Cody.

- Right, but why would
they--like,

that's such an obsession.

He tells me that a lot
of people don't like him

but never really why or,

like, what he's done
on his part, you know?

- Mm-hmm.
- I don't know.

I feel super confused.
My heart's pounding.

Like, I'm so overwhelmed.

There's just so much going on,

and if it's not him,
like, who is it?

- What concerns me is the fact

that you have been talking
to this person

and sharing deep things
about your personal life

and the things
that you're going through.

- Very deep things, yeah.
- Very deep things.

- And very personal, mm-hmm.

- And who the [bleep]--if
you're [bleep] with someone,

who does that?

- Right, yeah.
That's really messed up.

Right now, honestly,
I feel like this person, to me,

is just, like, a stranger.

It's just like now

I just feel like there's
a good possibility of Cody

not being the person
that I was talking to.

- ♪ It'll never be the same ♪

- The hate websites,
the Twitter,

and then that language,
it's insane.

Who am I talking to?
Who is he?

- ♪ I gave you all
my love to date ♪

- So I'm scared and upset,
just really confused.

- ♪ Reaching for a hand
to hold ♪

♪ From a wild animal ♪

- Are you still feeling hopeful
that it could be the real Cody?

- Honestly, at this point, no.

- ♪ Antidote, antidote ♪

- I just feel like somebody's
messing with me.

- ♪ Antidote ♪

- How you doing?
How you feeling?

- It's just like now I feel
like the possibility of Cody

not being the person
that I was talking to is,

like, setting in, you know?

But I still want to know
who it is I'm talking to,

even if it's not him.

- So if this is not
the real Cody,

you're still willing to keep a
relationship with this person?

- I mean, I'm not sure
about a relationship,

just because making me believe
that you're Cody,

you know, for this long,
that's a huge lie,

but I at least want to know
what their intentions were.

Like, what did they
get out of this?

But I feel like I should
tell you guys something.

- Oh, God.

- Earlier this year in January,
I got married.

- Oh.
- Are you married?

- I'm currently married,

but I'm in the process
of getting a divorce.

It was super rushed.

It was with somebody

that I'd only been dating
for about four months.

- Okay, and does Cody
know about all this?

- No.

- Dey.

- So but you were talking
to Cody very much

while you had
just been married, and--

- Yeah, so right
after I got married,

I knew
that I had made a mistake.

So now, we're in the process
of getting a divorce,

and we have been for since,
like, March,

so it wasn't that long.

Like, right when I started
talking to Cody,

I had already terminated
my marriage.

Like, he doesn't know,
but, like, he was there

when I was just, like,
going through that [bleep],

and I wanted to tell him.

But now, I feel like I have
no clue who this person is.

- I can understand your--
I don't know if it's guilt

or concern about having
not told Cody this.

- Yeah.

- Well, thank you for being
honest with us about it.

I get why that would
be weighing on you,

but at the same time,

I don't think that it negates
all the other things

that this person hasn't been
telling you potentially.

- Right.

- I just have a feeling

that their secret
is way bigger.

- Yeah.
- All right.

Well, look, it feels to me,
and I think to us,

that the only person
or account

that we know is
communicating with you

is the Snapchat account
that you've been messaging with

since the beginning
of the year.

So whether that's Cody,
or someone else,

or a combination of both,

that's who we need
to get to talk to us,

and hopefully explain,
and reveal all of this.

- Yeah.
- So we need to message them.

- I'm worried
that if we contact,

they're gonna be like,

"I don't know why
you're contacting me,"

or just not even respond.

But because you guys have such,
like, a deeper--

- I mean I can try to do it,
yeah.

Okay.

Okay, okay.

- All right, something like,

"Hey, I know when we spoke
about meeting on 'Catfish,'

"you didn't seem
super into it,

"but you mean a lot to me,

and our relationship's
really important."

- And then should I say,
like, "Nev and Kamie"...

- You can say,
"Just want to help us,

but have found some--"
I don't want to say info

or concerning--

- Some strange?
- Some strange...

- Some strange.
- Things that have me--

- A little confused.
- Right.

And now, I think
you should also say,

"I also have something
I need to tell you."

I think if you extend
that olive branch

that you also feel like

there's something that you
haven't been honest about...

- Yeah.

- That might both
pique his interest

and make him feel less nervous
about telling you something.

- I have something I need
to tell you.

- At the end, just say,
"We are in a Zoom right now

and would love
for you to join."

- I sent it.
- I think it's great.

- I think it's good.
- Yeah.

- It was good.
All right, let's just see.

- Oh, I'm so nervous.

What if he doesn't respond?

- Well, I mean, if he sees it
and then doesn't respond,

that is sort of a response,
I guess.

- Oh, he's seen it.
- Okay, he saw it.

- Oh, my God.
- I'm so scared.

- The face there.
Does that mean he's, like,

looking at it right now,
or is it that he just saw it?

- No. He's on it.
- Yeah.

- Oh, my God, he left.

- No!
- He didn't say anything.

- Where's my anxiety dog?

Biggie, you're supposed
to be helpful.

- Oh, oh, oh, he's typing.
He's typing.

- Oh, my God.

- He's in here,
so we have to give it to him.

- So say yeah.
- Okay.

- And then just say,
"The room code is..."

- Oh, my gosh.

- Are you okay?
- Yeah, I'm just so nervous.

He's not just gonna
pop up, right?

Or will he just pop up?

- He might.
- Oh, my God.

[computer chimes]

Oh, my God.

- He's just gonna pop up?
- Yeah.

- I'm so nervous.

[gasps]

[computer chimes]
Oh, my God.

- Hey.

- Hi! Oh, my God.

- What's up?
What's up, girl?

- Oh, my God.

- How's it going?

- I don't know.
You tell us.

We're all very confused
right now.

- Oh, my God.

- Can you just give me
a second here?

[exhales deeply]

You're gorgeous.

- Thank you.
- [laughs]

- Well, you are too.
- Oh, my God.

- Can we just clear up
a couple things?

Because we're just confused.

Why did it take so long
for you guys to video chat?

You put yourself on camera
all the time.

- Right, but I'm in control
of that camera,

and all my little slipups
and mess ups are easily fixed

when I'm doing it,

and the anxiety that I get
talking to somebody for so long

is so much more intense.

You know, it gets worse,
and worse, and worse

the longer you don't do it,

and it becomes harder,
and harder, and harder.

- So you were concerned

that she wouldn't be into
the unedited version of you?

- Yes, I get into my own head
too much,

and it just--it freaks me out
that I'm gonna disappoint her.

I have such a fear
of losing her

that I back off
on advancing the relationship

because I don't want
to lose that.

I need that in my life.

- But didn't you think
that avoiding meeting

would have eventually have
lost you this relationship?

- When you say it like that,
I guess so,

but I never really thought
about it like that.

I think sometimes my head
hasn't been in the right place

to even consider things
objectively.

I don't really know
how to answer that.

- Okay, but obviously,
it was confusing for us.

I'm sure you know we found some
strange stuff on the internet.

- I'm sure you did.

- That people have posted
making you seem

like a terrible person.

We found a fake Twitter account
where--you know,

making you look like
a totally racist asshole.

And we were afraid
one of those trolls

was the person talking today.

And it doesn't help
that we spoke to your mom,

and she told us,
as far as she knows,

Saturn [bleep] Films
is not your Snapchat.

We're just confused.

- Back in, like,
my early days, like,

when I was a teenager,
the content

that was popular were people
that ranted to a camera.

So I would talk
about my political

or my religious beliefs
on camera.

And what started happening
would be

people would take my clips,
and download them,

and then rearrange them
to make it sound

like I was saying things
that I wasn't.

And then, next thing I know,

people were making
fake accounts about me

on various different websites.

So the whole thing with my mom
is when stuff

like that started to happen,
I would get really sensitive,

and it messed with
my mental health really bad.

So when you guys reach out,

my mom is not gonna
give you my information,

because she's seen
how much stuff

like that has affected me.

- You gave Dey a phone number.

Why does that phone number
come back

to your ex-girlfriend Lena?

- My ex and I are
on pretty friendly terms,

and we're on the same line

because it makes both
of our bills cheaper.

- So you got it as part
of a group plan

with your then girlfriend?

- Well, it's kind of hard
to even say what we were.

We were so on-again, off-again.

- When did you split for real?
- February sometime.

I'd say, like, maybe a little
after Valentine's

is when it was finally,
like, kaput.

- 'Cause you posted a lot of
pictures of her since then.

- 'Cause we're still friendly,

and she's one
of my main models.

- So that's it?

You weren't lying
about anything?

Is there anything else
that Dey should know?

- Just that I'm sorry.

I realize a lot of this
could have been cleared up,

and I kind of feel
like a big wuss now.

She's so beautiful.
She's so fun to talk to.

She's eloquent.
She's interesting.

She's artistic.

I have, like,
intense feelings for her.

- Oh, my God.

- Do you mind, Cody,
if we check in with Dey

for a second,
and we'll reconvene?

- Okay, that sounds good.

- All right,
we'll see you in a minute.

- All right.

- Damn, Dey.

- Oh, my God.
I can't believe he's real.

- I can't believe
you were right.

- Now we finally talk
to the guy.

- Yeah.

- You've now heard all
of this.

What do you think?

I mean, what was your first
sort of gut reaction

to interacting
with him in person?

- I'm so happy.

- So this is a full steam ahead
green light,

you want to make this happen?

- I definitely want to, yeah.

- Great, I'm excited for you,
but I also think now is

the moment for you to tell him
that you were married.

It's impossible to tell
how he's gonna react,

especially since he didn't
really lie about stuff,

but it's only gonna get harder
to tell him if you wait.

- Okay.
- I'm gonna bring him back in.

- Okay.

- Hey, what's going on?

- Yeah, so...

okay, so I do have something
I want to tell you.

This past year,
I was seeing somebody,

and in January,
he proposed to me.

- Whoa.

- And then we were married
within, like, a week.

- Wait, what?

- And immediately,
I regretted it.

We're getting a divorce
already, but it happened.

- That's a lot to take in,
like, all at once.

[tense music]

Huh.

Well, that--it does
hurt my feelings.

I'm not gonna lie.

I wish you would have
told me that.

I understand
why you wouldn't want to,

but I wish you would have.

Yeah.

Can I have a second just to,
like, process that in my brain?

- Sure.

- Oh, my God.

- Can I have a second just to,
like, process that in my brain?

- Oh, my God.

- Here's the thing.

This is a part
of not communicating properly

and actually meeting in person

because when you don't do that,

and it has been so long--it's
been over a decade.

The thing about spending
years apart from someone

that you have
never met in person,

and you guys live in two
completely different places

is that you're fully in
the right to live your life.

[tense music]

- I...

I'm not mad at you,
like, at all.

I understand.

I've been a compulsive
person myself in the past.

I'm not judging.

I'd like to believe I know
how your brain operates

due to the way we've talked.

- Yeah.

- And that sounds like
something I could have

totally done myself, so...

I don't have the ability
to judge you.

- Do you see, now, why
I always just, like, hang on?

He says things and I'm like,

"Okay, thank you
for understanding me."

- Well, so how are we gonna
make this work?

Do you want this?

- I absolutely do.

It feels like I've already
squandered an opportunity

for a long time.

I don't want
to keep doing that.

- We just have to meet
and then,

you know, it'll work out.

- I feel angry with myself

because I'm already
more comfortable

with talking to you here,

and I just couldn't do it.

I don't know why.

- You know what
my therapist says?

She says we can't be worried
about the past.

All we can worry about is how
we're going to move forward,

so beating up on yourself about
the past however many years

is not going to get us
where we need to go.

- I'm really happy.
- I'm glad.

I'm sorry
for not doing it sooner.

- It's okay.

- My anxiety is going down
a little bit,

but I'm still like,

"Man, she's actually
looking at my face now."

Like, she's hearing my words.
She's looking at my face.

Like, what is she
actually thinking?

- I want to meet you tomorrow.

- I want to meet you right now.

- Iowa or L.A.?
Who's flying where?

- Let's go.
- I'm down, I'm in.

- Well, it sounds like both--
it's certainly time.

- The day has come.

- Look, we'll let you guys
start your next chapter now.

Obviously, it can be
over FaceTime.

- We should FaceTime
tonight maybe.

- [laughs] Okay.

- There you go.
FaceTime tonight.

- That still feels weird
for me to say,

but I think I'm prepared.

- I'm excited.
- I want to make a request.

When this episode airs,
I want it to end with photos

from whatever trip you guys
plan in the near future.

- I want to do that.
- We'll make it happen.

- Well, good luck.
- Yay!

- I'll talk to you soon.
- Bye.

- Bye.
- Bye.

- Later.

- There it is.
Can you believe it?

- No.

We did it, Biggie!
We did it.

Come here.
Oh, come--oh, no.

- ♪ I feel so, I feel so ♪

♪ I feel so free,
feel so free ♪

♪ ♪

- Kailan and Jordan met

when they were 11 years old.

- He's every single thing
I want in a man.

- Oh, we got a Twitter account.

- [gasps]
- Tahj.

- Who the hell is Tahj?

- There's no evidence
that a Jordan exists.

[computer chimes]
Oh.

- Oh, [bleep].
- Hello, who's there?

[dramatic music]

[upbeat music]

♪ ♪

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