Catfish: The TV Show (2012–…): Season 8, Episode 16 - Stephanie & Danny - full transcript

- Stephanie has been talking
to Danny

for almost ten years.
- No!

- As much as I've tried
to, like,

move on, I just, like,
I can't let it go.

- After ten years,
what is this guy hiding?

- Uh-oh, the phone number
links to this Facebook page.

- Oh, no.

- Is it possible that
she's been talking to this lady

the whole time?

- Whenever I do try
to be vulnerable,

[bleep] happens.



- All right, you ready?
- No.

[computer chimes]

[dramatic music]

[upbeat music]

- Okay, another perfect day
in sunny Los Angeles.

- There's, like, a heat wave
going through Los Angeles.

The AC's broken.

This is how hot it is
in my apartment right now.

79 degrees.
Ridiculous.

This fan is doing
absolutely nothing.

- We still can't go anywhere,

so for the moment,

I've got everything I need
right here.

You picked out that outfit,
Cleo?



- This is the hat,
this is the beautiful dress,

this is a Christmas shirt,
and this is a necklace.

This is my toy
I'm playing with.

This is a unicorn pant.
- Wow.

- This is ballet shoes--
ballet shoes.

- Wow.
- This is some makeup.

- Great outfit.

- Biggie, it's so hot.

So what I do?
I go to my freezer.

What do I get?
This.

- Looking forward
to cracking open another case

of "Catfish."

- It's so hot.

- Let's get Kamie on.
"Come in the Zoom."

♪ ♪

Oh!

What's up?
- The AC is broken.

I'm waiting for them
to come and fix it.

- Oh really?
Wait, what is that thing?

- It's an ice roller.
I got it on Amazon.

- How does it work?

- You put it in the freezer,
you take out, it's cold.

- Oh, my God.
- Put it everywhere.

It's helped in surviving.
- Wow.

Anyway, so let me pull up
my email here.

It says, "Hey Nev and Kamie,
my name is Stephanie.

"I'm a single mom
to twin boys,

"and I live
in Kissimmee, Florida.

"I've been talking to a guy
named Danny from San Fran

for almost ten years!"

- No!

- "He's not like the other
guys I have been into.

"Danny is sweet, loving,
and supportive.

I can't get him off my mind."

- ♪ In the night, I wonder ♪

- "But for nearly a decade,

"we've been on and off,

"and as soon as things
start to get serious,

he goes ghost."

- ♪ In the night, I wonder ♪

- "But right when I entertain
a new relationship,

Danny comes back
full throttle."

- ♪ But it makes me colder ♪

- "And I end up breaking
things off

"with whoever I'm dating

"because I just don't
like them as much as him.

"That literally just
happened again,

"and I don't know what to do.

"After all these years,
we still haven't met

or even video chatted."

- Good night.
- But, wait, wait.

"I'm at a point now

"where I'm not sure
what to believe anymore.

"Danny, says
he wants to be with me,

"and I think I'm ready
to be with him too,

"but I need stability
for me and my kids.

So: It's either now
or never."

Oh, the brush is out.

- The therapy brush is out.

As soon as you said
"ten years,"

I was like, "Ooh."
- I think that's the earliest--

I think that's the earliest
the brush has come out.

Let me see if Stephanie's
available here.

All right.
Wow.

A decade.
I mean, it's been on and off,

and obviously, unless her kids
are older than ten,

presumably, you know, she's had
some serious relationships

mixed in there.
- Yeah.

- But to be talking to someone
for ten years.

This relationship goes back

to the beginning
of the catfish term.

The documentary "Catfish"
came out in 2010.

That means that
they've been doing this

as long as
I've been doing this.

- I was 17.
I was Miss Teen USA.

[camera shuttering
and cheering]

- 2010?
- Yes.

- That was a good year for us.
- What a throwback.

- Wow.
- But ten years?

What are you actually doing

to be stalling
real relationships

in your actual life?
- Right.

[computer dings]
Oh!

both: Hey!
- Stephanie!

- How are you?
Oh, my God.

- How are things
down in Kissimmee?

- It's crazy with this whole,

like, corona crap going on
over here now.

It's a lot.

- I mean, Florida's
getting hit pretty bad.

- Yep.

- All right, so what do you do
in Kissimmee?

- I do customer service,

and I have
a cosmetology degree.

So I'm, like, a little bit
of everywhere.

- Kamie
has an astrology degree.

- Yes.
What's your sign?

- Okay.
Scorpio, so go ahead.

Tell me what's wrong
with me, Kamie.

- No, I'm a Scorpio too.
- Okay.

- What's wrong with you
is what's wrong with me!

- [laughing]
- So wait a second.

Time out, because your story
goes all the way back to 2010.

- Exactly.

And at the time,
I was really into modeling.

There was a guy, Danny.

He was a photographer.
I wanted to work with him.

First, I kept it professional.

I was, like, I wanna work
with you.

I want to, like, do content,

and he was, like,
really into it,

and then when I told him
how old I was,

he was like,
"No, I'm not doing it."

- Was he in Florida?

- Yeah, he was out in Miami
at that time, yeah.

- Okay.

Sounds like he was just sort
of being smart and responsible

and said, "No, thanks."

But how did that then turn
into a ten-year romance?

- We, like,
liked each other's stuff,

we commented, it was just,
like, we kept it very social.

- Right.
- And then I turned 18,

and I was, like,
nothing's stopping me.

I like humor, and he's, like,
really funny.

So we would talk to each other
all the time,

and it just start getting--
growing from there.

Eventually, like, later on,
we spoke about meeting,

but he had moved
to San Francisco.

- Okay.
- So we started planning.

Like, I was planning to go to
San Francisco to stay there,

be with him.
He was, like, really into it.

He wanted to be together.

He wanted me to, like,
meet his family.

He wanted to start a family.

- Whoa.
- He was actually excited,

but right then,
he just went ghost

for, like, two weeks.

- So what did you say
when he came back

after two weeks of
ghosting?

- That's when I become
this crazy Latina.

Like, I asked him.

I was, like,
"Where have you been?

Like, what happened?
Is there a problem?"

And he was, like, "No."

He's blaming
the time difference.

It was the fact that he works
too much,

or that he's working late,

or that he's not stable

because he lives
with roommates,

and then the same
stuff happens.

He's there.
Went ghost.

It's a cycle.

"Hi, how are you?
Bye."

The same thing.
Always.

- What's the longest you guys
have ever gone

just without talking?
- Like, not talking at all?

Like a couple months.

I've tried to, like, move on,

or like with any
other relationship,

he's still in the back
of my mind.

Like, there's something
about him that I just--

Like, I can't let it go.

- But obviously, I mean,

you had a relationship
with your kid's dad.

Did you ever tell Danny
about that?

- Yeah, he knew about it.

He knew that I was
with somebody else,

but at that point he had
gone ghost for a long time.

- Mmm.

And he obviously came back.
- Yeah.

- And since
this whole crazy pandemic

and quarantine, have you guys
been talking more?

- Yeah.
- Wow, so you've really,

like, for ten years pretty
much, you've been in contact

almost nonstop
for the last ten years.

- Yup.

- Do you talk on the phone
or do you just text?

- We're just texting.

- So you've never even
talked to him on the phone?

- No.

[dramatic music]

- Has he ever sent you, like,
private photos?

Just, like, even of his face
or of other things...

- Everything that I've seen

is what's on social media.

- Has ever texted you
a photo of himself?

- No.

- In ten years?
Nothing?

- No.
- Have you sent him that?

- Yeah, I would send him
pictures, like,

"Hi, I'm normal.
I exist."

- I don't know
how I feel about Danny.

- I get it.

- Can we see his Instagram?

- Yeah.

- All right, so here's Danny.
Okay.

Is that him on
the top right corner?

- Yeah.

- He's a teddy bear.
- [laughs]

- And then he's also
in the red shirt, right?

- Yeah.

- So then, who's the skinnier
guy with the shaved head?

- Yeah.

- That's his best friend who,
he died, like, a year ago.

He took it, like,
really to heart.

- Oh.
- Yeah.

- Oh, wow.

- In terms
of Instagram profiles,

this one seems authentic
and normal.

- It is a very full account

compared to most
"catfish accounts."

- Yeah.

I mean, on one hand,
the situation seems absurd...

- Yeah.

- And yet, what makes it
even crazier is that

this guy, and his life,
and his Instagram

are all pretty believable,

but what if we find out that
this guy's been lying,

and it goes away?

- I would be completely--
Like, I'd be so hurt.

I'd be, like, devastated
I guess.

It would get to the point...
either just,

I don't want to believe
that ten years of my life

was wasted for nothing.

- You still have hope
for the situation.

- Exactly.

If he is real,
I want to be able to try now,

'cause I'm just ready
to keep my life pushing.

So if he's real,
that's what I'm gonna do,

and if he's not,
then I have to let it go.

This is not something that
I can keep living with.

- All right, well, we've got
our work cut out for us.

I don't wanna waste
another moment.

Send us all that info,
and we'll dive--

we're gonna dive right in.
- Okay.

Got it.
- All right.

- Bye.
- [laughs] Bye.

- What do you think?
This is crazy...

- If it wasn't for the fact

that she was so young
when they met,

I would think
that she was nuts.

- Right.
- Because ten years

with someone--I mean,
trying to put myself

back in 2010, ten years ago,

FaceTime did not exist yet.

- Right, look,
what's super suspicious

is why haven't they talked
on the phone?

I think that suggests
that it could be a woman.

- I don't know.

Like, what is this guy hiding
after ten years?

What is the big secret?
What's the tea?

♪ ♪

- Oh, God!

[Bleep] hot.

[upbeat music]

Wanna get ice rolled?
No?

- All right.
[sighs]

Okay, let's get Kamie on.

♪ ♪

- Oh, hello.
- The ice roller.

- This is where I'm at.

- Stick the handle down
the back of your shirt

so that the ice
sits at the top.

- [gasps]
Aah!

[laughs]
It's freezing.

- [laughs]
- Oh, my God.

- All right,
we've got quite a case

on our hands here, Kamie.

Stephanie has been talking
to this guy, Danny.

They've known each other
ten years.

She's tried meeting
other guys, had two kids,

but for whatever reason,
none of them seem to

live up to the fantasy
of Danny,

and she can't seem
to get this guy to commit

to meeting up,
let alone FaceTiming,

or even talking on the phone.
- The bare minimum.

- All right here, she sent--
she sent us an email.

"Hey, guys.
Thanks for your help.

"Here's what I know
about Danny.

"He lives in San Francisco.

This is the only number
he's ever had."

I mean, look,

if this guy's had the same
number for ten years,

it damn well better be
registered to him.

- You wanna start there?

I feel like we're set up
for disappointment right now.

- Oh, I'm willing
to roll the dice.

Let's see.
- Okay.

- All right,
let's go to phone,

and let's type
the old number in.

Let's see what we get.

Uh-oh.

- Oh, no.

Who the [bleep] is Laura?

- 51 years old.

- There's a Facebook.
- Wow.

Wow.

It links to this Facebook page.

Here we go.
Some comments here.

"Hey, Laura, it's Karen.
How many kids do you have?"

And Laura wrote back,
"I have four!"

- Oh, no!

- Is it possible that
she's been talking to this lady

the whole time?
- I need to regroup.

- This doesn't happen often,

that the phone number
is directly linked

to a Facebook page.

- There has to be a reason

why Danny hasn't talked on
the phone this entire time.

- Maybe it's because Danny
is a woman.

- Something is up.

- All right, hold on.

Let me search
his Insta quickly.

Yeah, there he is.
Danny.

4,800 followers.

Oh, here,
he has tagged photos.

Yeah, this account
feels very real.

- Wait, when was the last time

somebody tagged him
in a picture?

- Was three days ago
by DJ [bleep] Davis Jr.,

who I guess was babysitting
his dogs.

So I assume
they're pretty good friends.

It says he's in San Francisco.
- So let's hit him up.

- All right, Anthony [Bleep].

"Hey, Anthony...
working on an episode now

"that might involve
your friend, Danny.

Hit me back."

All right, so let's see
if that guy gets back to us.

- Cool.

- So let's just think about
this for a second, right?

The phone number is, like,
the one constant, right?

- Mm-hmm.

- They started on Facebook,
which is where they met.

- Right.
- Is there a chance

that Danny's a real guy,

that somehow, ten years ago,

if she posted on his timeline

like,
"I'd love to work with you.

Here's my number."

Maybe somebody else saw that
and like, somehow intercepted.

- [gasps]

But she didn't say
if she wrote on his wall.

- I mean, I'd like
to ask her that.

- Ask her.

- "Hey, Stephanie.

"When you first
started talking,

did you post on his wall?"

Oh, she's typing.
She's typing.

So interesting.

So she did put her phone
number on his wall.

- Ugh.

- "Have you ever DM'd
on Facebook or Insta?"

She's typing.
"No."

- [gasps]

- They've never DM'd from
either the Facebook page

or the Instagram page
for Danny,

which means that those
could be very real pages

for a real guy who just
doesn't have any idea

who Stephanie is

other than maybe noticing her
as one of his followers.

She could've said to him
on his Facebook,

"Hey, I like your work.
I'm an aspiring model.

Here's my number.
Hit me up."

And anyone could've seen that
and been like...

- Right.
- "Bingo. Cute young girl."

- And maybe the whole like,

"can't talk to you
'cause your underage thing"

is just an excuse.
[cell phone dings]

Wait, he wrote back.
- [gasps]

- Ooh, so Anthony wrote back,

and said, "What?
Is Danny being catfished?"

[dramatic musical sting]

- "Can you jump in a Zoom,
and we'll explain?"

- "Okay, but not with video."

- suspicious.

- Yeah, right?
Weird.

[computer dings]

Oh, wait a second.
Wait a second.

We got a new participant.

- Anthony?

- Oh!
- Hey.

Thanks for getting back to us
so quick.

We got a situation
where a lovely young lady

has essentially been friends

with who she believes
is Danny, your friend.

They've been online friends
for about ten years.

Do you know if he has, like,

a long distance friendship
with a girl online?

- Okay.

- How long have you
been friends with him?

- Oh, [bleep].

- If I read you the phone
number we have for Danny,

can you just confirm or deny

if that's the number
you have for Danny?

- Um...

- Okay.
That's a little weird.

Any reason you couldn't do
a video thing?

[dramatic music]

♪ ♪

- Can you hear us?

♪ ♪

Did he just hang up?

So is Anthony lying to us?
- suspicious.

[cell phone ringing]
- Oh.

New number.
Hello?

- Yeah, hey.
Who's this?

- Hey, Danny.

- You mean your friend, uh...

- Yeah, so here's
what's going on, man.

There's a girl who thinks
she's been talking to you

for a long time.

So I guess the first question
is, like,

do you have an internet friend
named Stephanie?

- No.

- Okay, and you live
in San Francisco.

- And your Instagram account
is [bleep].

- Okay, so Stephanie says
that ten years ago,

she somehow came across
a Facebook page

that was yours.
She was an aspiring model.

She saw that you were
into photography,

and was like, "Oh, hey,"
on your wall.

"My name is Stephanie.

"I'm interested
in working with you.

Here's my number."

- And this number
is your number?

- Is there any chance
you can join a Zoom call?

It might help clear this up.

- Huh.

- Does he know that woman,
Laura?

- So I guess my--
just my last, last question is:

Do you know a woman
named Laura [Bleep]?

- Okay, hear of anything,
let us know.

See you later, man.

- Bye.

Whoa.

- What is going on?

- Weird that Danny didn't want
to video chat either.

- Do you have that number
that Danny called from?

- Hold on a second.

- It's not the same number
Stephanie has, right?

- Actually, no.
Different numbers.

- We need to run that number.

- This is the number
that just called us...

♪ ♪

Okay, Daniel [Bleep].

That is him.

So Danny is real,

but the phone number
that Stephanie has for Danny,

we now know is not actually
the real Danny's number.

It's possible that somehow,

ten years ago when Stephanie
posted on his wall,

someone else just hit her up,

'cause it had to be
on her wall.

Facebook didn't have DMs
back then.

- Someone intercepted
the communication.

- And has been texting her

pretending to be Danny
for the past ten years,

but if Danny is real,
and Anthony is his friend,

then why is Anthony
acting so shady?

It's just so weird.

- Maybe Anthony
is the catfish?

- I don't know
what to believe anymore.

Something's going on here,

and there's connection
with Laura.

There's, like, a lot more
going on here

than meets the eye.

- Who is the person
behind the texting?

- Good morning.

We just got
a special delivery.

We got a fan!

Biggie, look.

Let's open it up
before we die in here.

Oh, my God!
I have to put it together?

[upbeat music]

♪ ♪

- [laughs]

- Oh, hello.
- Oh, there she is.

- I'm in a crisis.

- You got that fan
all hooked up

it looks like.
Is it working?

- Moment of truth.
Ready?

On.
- Ahh.

- It's on!

Yay.

- [laughs]
- I'm ready.

- All right, so look.

We gotta call Stephanie
and go over everything.

[suspenseful music]

- We don't have good news.
- Right.

And the more I think about it,
the more weird it seems

that Anthony
didn't want to video chat.

- Right.

Maybe Anthony's the one that
intercepted their conversation.

- Right, and then there's the
whole other issue of the number

coming back to Laura.
- Mm-hmm.

- What could be going on here?

- Danny, we will find you!

♪ ♪

[computer dings]
- Oh!

- Hey.
- Hi.

- How are you today?

- I'm, like, anxious.
- Well, it makes sense.

I mean, this has been
ten years of your life.

- Exactly.

- Well, we do have some things
to discuss.

Let me share my screen

so we can walk you through
what we did.

All right, you can see that?
- Mm-hmm.

- Okay, so I don't know
that I've ever met someone

who's been talking to someone
for ten years who,

as far as you can remember,
has had the phone number

the entire time, right?
- Mm-hmm.

- And if it is Danny,

and it has been
his the whole time,

it should come back to Danny,

or at least someone
related to Danny.

- Yeah.

- When we searched the number,

it comes up registered
to a Laura [Bleep].

- [sighs]

- Have you ever heard
of that person?

- Nope.

- Okay, so then,
what's even more interesting

is that if you look down here,

you'll see the phone number
is associated

with a Facebook page.
- Mm-hmm.

- Laura is in her 50s.

Why is the number
that you have for Danny

associated to Laura's
Facebook page?

- Yeah.

- So there is a chance,

ten years ago,
Laura or possibly someone else

was on Facebook,
saw the real Danny's page,

saw that you posted
your phone number

and was like, "Oh."

Either, "She's cute,
I wanna talk to her,"

or "I'm gonna text her."

We're trying to just
kinda consider everything.

- Okay.

- And you guys have never
talked on the phone,

so we cannot rule out,
what if this is a woman?

- I don't want to believe you.

I wanna believe that it's real,

but it just--

it doesn't look good right now.

- All right, so the next thing
we looked at

was Danny's Instagram.

From doing this
for eight years,

and seeing a lot
of Instagram pages,

like, this one feels
very real to us.

- Okay.

- Normal dog,
places he's going,

occasionally pictures of him.
- Yeah, mm-hmm.

- And what's more unusual

is that he is tagged
in a bunch of photos--

all the telltale signs
that this is a real guy,

and it's his
real Instagram page.

- Okay.
- So this was interesting

'cause the most recent
tagged picture,

which was just posted
three days ago,

is by this guy DJ [Bleep],

and so we went to
that guy's account.

It turns out Danny's
friend's name is Anthony.

So we messaged him,

and I said,
"Can you jump in the Zoom,

and we'll explain it
to you?"

- And he said,
"Okay, but not with video."

- Okay.

- And so he joined our Zoom
but just talking,

and he said he's never heard
Danny mention

anyone named Stephanie,
and eventually he hung up.

- It's bizarre.
- Right.

- So it's, like,
what are you hiding?

- Right.
- In all of the time

that you've spent
talking to Danny,

he's never mentioned
his friend Anthony?

- No, the only best friend
that he's ever brought up

was the one that died,

but that was it.

- Well, a couple minutes later,
I got a call back,

and this time the guy
on the other end said,

"Hey, this is Danny.
I just spoke to Anthony,

"and he told me you guys
wanted to talk to me.

What's going on?"
- Uh-huh.

- And I explained
the whole situation.

Essentially what he told us
was, "Okay, well, I'm Danny.

"I'm not sure
who Stephanie is.

I'm definitely not the one
talking to her."

- [sighs]

- And then after
we talked to Danny,

we didn't know
if he was telling the truth,

but we searched the number,

and it actually does come back
registered to Danny

or Daniel [Bleep].

- [sighs]

- You know, there's a lot
of information

suggesting that
Danny's a real person,

who looks like he looks,
and does what he does,

and lives where he lives.
The problem is,

that guy doesn't seem to be
the person you're talking to.

- ♪ Let me heal ♪

♪ You were never mine
to keep ♪

- What is going through
your mind right now?

- I just feel so played.

Like, the same [bleep] cycle
is repeating.

Whenever I do try
to be vulnerable,

this [bleep] happens.

♪ ♪

Like, the same thing happened
with the father of my kids.

It's like...

- ♪ I deserve more than you ♪

- [sniffles]

- You deserve answers
at the end of the day,

because ten years of your life

has been consumed
by this person.

- ♪ You were never mine
to keep ♪

- Hold on.

- Aw.

- ♪ You were never mine
to keep ♪

- I feel bad.

- ♪ Now your touch
is lost on me ♪

- Obviously this is not

going the way she hoped.

- Okay.
- Uh...

- Okay, so we've had
some time,

we took some time...

- I'm just, like, shocked.

- I mean, look.

There are a few things now
that we can do.

The first I think is to see

if we can get in touch

with whoever is on the other
end of the phone number

you've been texting.

It's been Danny to you
for the last ten years,

but I'd like to see who is on
the other end.

At the same time, I also want
you to prepare yourself...

- For the worst.
- Yeah.

It could be Laura,
who the phone matches back to.

- Or it could be Anthony,

because he's known Danny
a long time, right?

Which means he would've been
friends with him ten years ago

on Facebook,

and he could've seen
your post on the wall

that had your number.
- Yeah.

- What is going through
your mind right now?

- I'm very guarded.

It's gotten to the point that
it's like what's the point?

- Look, I know this
is not easy for you,

but ideally,
I'd like you to be able to,

whoever we end up talking to,

to express to them how much
this has meant to you,

how much this has hurt you,

and I want to be able
to get that across to them.

- Okay.

[dramatic music]

- We have to call the number.
I, like, can't take the...

- I know, we gotta just
figure this out.

- Anticipation.
- All right, here we go.

You ready?

- No.

- Well, we're here.

[phone ringing]
- Turn it up, turn it up.

♪ ♪

- Girl, my crazy's
gonna come out.

- [automated voice] Please
leave your message for...

- [groans]

[beep]

- Hello, this is a message
for Danny.

Wanted to ask you
a couple questions.

If you could give me a call
back, that would be great.

Okay, great.
Thanks, bye.

Let's see if anyone
gets back to me.

Geez.

[clocking ticking]

- [sighs]

[sighs]

[phone rings]
- Oh, oh, oh,

and I'm getting a phone call.

- [gasps]
- Hello?

- Yeah, hey.
Is this Danny?

- Shut up.

- This is Nev
from that show "Catfish."

- Okay.

- I'm calling--we didn't speak
though yesterday, did we?

- Okay, I am talking to

your friend Stephanie

and trying to figure out
if I can help you guys

finally, you know, quote,
"meet" for the first time,

because I know it's been
a long time coming.

- Oh, um...

- This makes
no [bleep] sense.

- Okay.

So if I got this number
from her,

and she's telling me
this is the number

she's been talking
to a guy named Danny on,

I'm trying to figure out
how it's possible

that you wouldn't know
who she is,

if it's the same number.

- [sighs]

♪ ♪

- Okay, so we did
talk yesterday.

- Yes, we did.

- I talked to two people
yesterday.

I talked to an Anthony,
and I talked to Danny.

Were those both you?
- No.

So Anthony is my friend.

- So it has been you
talking to her

for the last ten years.

- That wasn't the same
as this number,

so you do have two numbers then
that you use?

- Work phone.
Okay.

- So what the [bleep]?

- Well, if it is you,

then I'm confused as to, like,

why, and I'm sure
you can agree,

it's been hard for Stephanie

to get just, sort of,
any kind of confirmation

that you are you
all these years.

- Okay.

Well, is there any way
you would feel comfortable

showing us your face
in, like, a Zoom call,

so that we can just sort
of clear this up?

- [sighs]
Uh...

- Okay, great.

- Yeah, look, I get it.
It's been a long time...

- No, get in
the [bleep] Zoom.

- So we'll be expecting
to see you shortly.

- Okay.
Thanks.

- All right, bye.
- Bye.

- Liar!

- I mean, yeah,
I don't know

if I should believe anything
he says obviously, but...

- You can't!
But what is the truth?

Like, yesterday, you
bold-faced lied on the phone

and said that it wasn't you,

you didn't have anything
to do with it.

Then you bold-face lie again
today, and say it's not you.

You don't have anything
to do with it.

- Also don't call me
from the number

you're talking to
Stephanie on

and say you're
not talking to Stephanie.

- Exactly.

Like, this whole runaround,
it's just like if you are you,

why are you not being blunt
about it?

[computer dings]

- Nev.

[computer dings]

[dramatic music]

- Nev.

- Oh, hey.

♪ ♪

Hey.

♪ ♪

- Shut the [bleep] up.
- What the [bleep]?

- There he is.

- Hey.

- It's you.

I don't understand, man.

What--what--what's going on?

- I just, you know,

I just don't like FaceTiming.

I don't like talking
on the phone.

Like, for example,
the other day,

my mother screamed at me

because I haven't called her
in four weeks,

and you know, like, this is
just one of my things.

I don't know.

- Well, yeah,
but that's bull[bleep].

It's been ten years.

- The reality is,
I work a lot.

I don't really have time,

like, and the little time
that I do have, like,

I barely can even use it
for myself.

So it's hard to, like...

- Okay, but you only had
to Facetime...

both: Once.

- I don't know.

I feel like
you're hiding something.

- I'm--I'm not
hiding anything.

- Like, yesterday you
bold-face lied on the face

and said it wasn't you.
- Right.

- And when we talked
to you today,

you did lie and said that you didn't know Stephanie.

What's the tea?
- Right.

What was weird yesterday when
we messaged with Anthony,

why was he covering for you?

- I was uncomfortable, and
I didn't want to be on TV,

'cause I mean,
I do watch the show,

and I never thought that
I would be somebody on it.

- Stephanie told us
over these last ten years,

you guys have talked about
her flying out there.

You had a plan.

She even bought a ticket,
and then you disappeared.

So what was that about?

- The truth is that I was
ashamed of my living situation.

I was ashamed
of where I currently live.

It's not a great neighborhood.

- I'm tired
of the same [bleep] answers.

The same--
To me, it's excuses.

- I mean, I don't--
I don't see it as excuses.

Um...
- Well, here's my thing.

I'm just curious to know
from your side

what this whole situation
means to you.

♪ ♪

- [sighs]

I--I don't really know,
to be honest.

Though I think the reality
is that,

even after ten years, it's
just always been on and off.

It just seems like we always
argue about dumb stuff.

Like our conversation
the other day.

You know?
And...

- What conversation was that?

- She texted me at around like
5:00 something in the morning.

Her text message woke me up.
I couldn't go back to sleep,

and I sent her a text saying,

"Please try not to text me
at 5:00 a.m."

And she flipped out on me,

and she has a tendency

to always flip out on me
all the time.

- So I'm the bad one?

- No, you're not--
You're not the bad guy.

- So ten years of something

is gonna be defined over
a stupid ass argument?

- That's how it's always been.

The whole ten years,
it's always been like that.

I don't like that [bleep].

Like, I feel that
when that happens,

like, I don't really
need to be doing this.

- So why do you keep doing it?

- Because I mean--
Because, like you said,

you've always been a constant
in my whole life

as, like, you know, a friend.
- Friend?

- So, like, I would love to,
like--

- A friend?

- But you agree that
it has leaned towards

flirtation and potential
relationship.

I mean, she told us you talked
about starting a family.

Those are all things
that you do with, you know,

someone who's a little bit
more than just your friend.

- I don't know if
it's like a love thing.

I mean, yes, I love her
as a friend,

but like, if it's, like,

an actual, like,
romance, love thing,

like, it's--I don't know.

It's just throughout
those whole ten years

has just always
been a constant,

like I said before,
it's just this--

- Whose fault is that?

- Danny, can we just talk me
and you for a second

and let Stephanie and Kamie
talk for a second?

- Sure.

- Um...
So okay.

It feels like she really just
pissed you off too much

and you just stopped
talking to her.

But if you're not into her,
you need to tell her

because she deserves, I think,
to finally know,

'cause, you know, look,
she said to us,

she's dated other guys

and constantly finds herself
comparing them to you

and doesn't wanna date
those guys

because she's, like, "Man,
I just like Danny better."

- I never knew that.
[laughs]

I never knew that.
That's, uh...

Wow.

[anguished music]

♪ ♪

- [sighs]

What is going on

in there?

- I don't think I would've
been this mad

if it wasn't.
- Yeah.

- But it's actually him.
- Yeah, exactly.

Any of his excuses, like,
are you buying any of them?

- No.

Don't know [bleep] about
arguing for ten years.

If it was as bad as he made it
seem, why are we still here?

- And so the question is,
like, now,

what's--where do you want
this to go?

Because there seem to be
a real foundation here

and potential for romance,
and--

but I'm not necessarily
getting a sense from you

that you're interested
in either admitting that

or actually feeling that,

so I'm just trying to kinda--
- No.

I admit--I admit it.

For me to sit here and say

that I don't feel anything
for her,

I don't have any type
of attraction

or anything like that
is a lie.

- Okay.
- There's always gonna be

a feeling there for her,
always.

If I was to lose her
completely,

I would be very upset.

Even saying that now kinda,

like,
shakes me up a little bit.

- It just feels like

he's not ready to make
a decision on you.

At the same time though,
he's willing

to drag you along
this decade-long journey.

- And that's not fair
for, like, for me or for him.

It's not [bleep] fair.

- I'm interested in seeing
what could possibly happen,

and you know, now that
this part is behind us...

- Right.
Okay, cool.

- Why am I gonna keep
giving you light of day

if it's just a cycle?

I'm not doing
that [bleep] anymore.

- Well, are you ready
to tell him that?

- Yeah.

- Let's put the past
in the past

if that's what you wanna do,

and let's finish this [bleep].

- Yeah.

[dramatic music]

- Let's put the past
in the past,

if that's what you wanna do,
and let's finish this [bleep].

- Yeah.

- Let's see.

Let's see where he's at,
but like, I know how you feel.

You're not gonna [bleep]
sit on here

and let him play you out
more than he already has.

[computer dings]
Okay, he's ready.

We're back.

Stephanie, wanna take it away?

- I feel like
you told your truth,

and you said what you actually
had to say,

and you meant it,
so why am I gonna keep trying?

- I mean,

it's not like I don't
have feelings for you.

I definitely do.
- As a friend?

- No, maybe that was just
the wrong choice of words.

I just shouldn't have said--
said it like that.

I know all this is my fault,

and I [bleep] it up.

So for you to be upset,

you have every right to be,
and I admit that,

and things
that we've talked about

like plans and stuff like that,

is stuff that
I've truly wanted.

And, you know,
there was opportunity,

you coming out here,
and you know,

I [bleep] that up.

I didn't have you
come out here

and, you know, I was--
I was wrong in it,

and admit it, and I apologize.
I'm sorry.

♪ ♪

I think if we actually tried
to actually talk,

like, on the phone,

as opposed to text
all the time,

I think that it would
definitely help out

our situation
and improve things.

- I don't know.
I just feel like

I've been strung along
for so long,

that for me to open up
somebody, it's hard.

- Yeah, as do I.
So I get it.

It's been a long time,
and you know,

I personally don't think that
we've actually ever really,

really had a chance to,
you know, explore this.

I think that there is
potential to have something.

- But is it really
what you want though?

Like, do you really want
to see

where things could go
with her?

Because you guys live on
opposite ends of the country.

I'm sure that you have people
local that you could talk to.

Stephanie I'm sure has people
local she could talk to.

- I mean, there's obviously
a reason why

we keep coming back into
communication with each other.

It always seems to be that
whenever I'm feeling down

or whenever I'm going
through something,

you have a sense of it,

and you always reach out to me
at the perfect time.

And little do you know,

you have always
been there for me at times

that I needed somebody.

- Do you have anyone else
that's close to you

in your life, Danny, that you
feel like you can confide in

the way that you talk
to Stephanie?

- Uh, I did.

Did with my best friend,
but...

[somber music]

- I'm sorry.

- We heard about that,
and I'm really--I'm sorry

for your loss.

- [sniffles]
Yeah, so...

- I think it's even more
reason to know, like,

when you have somebody in your
life that's there for you,

you gotta take advantage
of that [bleep].

- Yeah, I didn't--I didn't
learn that until, you know,

my friend passed, so...

Well, that's why I would
love to have

another opportunity
to show you who I really am.

- Okay.

But your words right now--

like words right now
is going like this, like...

so until I see action,
then I'll start believing you.

- Fair enough.

♪ ♪

- ♪ I heard you're moving
West ♪

- Okay.
I'm good with that.

- What's your sign, Danny?
- I'm a Taurus.

Oh, boy, here we go.
- Ooh!

- Oh, makes sense, right?

It all makes sense
now.

- All right, Danny,
you take care,

all right, man?
We'll talk to you soon.

- Yeah.
Take care, guys.

- Bye.
- Bye.

- Bye.

- Bish, you like him.

- Ooh!
- You like him.

You do!
You like him!

You like him!

- I just feel the fact
that I'm more comfortable now

that I know this [bleep]
isn't a lie.

- All right, well, I'm excited
to see what happens, you guys,

and make sure
you let us know.

- All right, thank you.

- Bye, Stephanie!
- Bye!

- ♪ Call me ♪

♪ Call on me, me ♪

♪ Call me ♪

♪ Call
me ♪

- We got Zay.
She's talking to Jada.

They are in love.
But Zay is married.

- I feel like our connection
is way different

than with me and my wife.

- This is crazy--I can't
believe I'm being lied on

on my frickin' vagina.

- What is happening?

[computer chimes]
- Hi, can you hear us?

Oh!

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