Catfish: The TV Show (2012–…): Season 8, Episode 15 - Kirsten & Alex - full transcript

- We got Kirsten talking to Alex,
she's sending him cute, sexy pictures,
until he disappears.
- He started telling me
he didn't wanna hurt me anymore,
so he was gonna come clean.
- Someone created this profile
with the intention of making a group of friends in Fargo.
- And targeting your circle.
Could this be blackmail?
- They wrote in a chat, "I can hear you."
- What's the point of hiding at this point?
[dramatic musical sting]
[upbeat music]
- Let's see if I can get Kamie on the line.
Oh! What's up, Biggie?
- Hi. - Aww.
- Isn't he handsome?
- I honestly think you should take the day off
and just let Biggie sit there.
- No problem.
- Biggie, on your dating profile,
did you use a picture of a Doberman?
- I admit it, it was me the whole time.
- Aww, he's so cute.
- He's not cut out for this talent life.
- Yeah.
Anyway, all right. Let's get to work.
Let's see if I have an email. Well, I do have one here.
"I need the whole truth." Cool.
- ♪ You don't have to lie to me ♪
- "Dear Nev and Kamie, my name is Kirsten,
and I'm a single mom living in Fargo, North Dakota."
God, I wish we could go to Fargo.
- I knew you were gonna say that.
- "I'm in a bit of a situation,
but I'm not sure if your show helps people like me."
Hmm. "A little backstory.
"My quarantine sucked.
"But it got better when this guy named Alex
"sent me a friend request, and when I looked at his page,
"I noticed that Alex had just moved to Fargo from Oklahoma.
"He messaged me right away,
"and we started chatting back and forth.
"I was newly single, and wanted to take things slow.
"But I found myself agreeing to meet him
and go on a date the next weekend."
- ♪ I think about you ♪
- "Unfortunately, Friday before our date,
"Alex's dad had a stroke,
and he had to fly back home."
- ♪ 'Cause you're on my mind ♪
- "A day or so later, I opened my Snapchat,
"and found a message from him.
"It was a black screen that had two emojis on it:
One of a cat, and the other a fish."
Oh, my God.
- Delete the whole account.
- "I really liked him, so I told him
that if he did tell me who he was, we could still talk."
- ♪ If you're gonna lie to me ♪
- "He never responded.
"I wanted to put it all behind me,
"but he said he lived in Fargo, so the idea that I might
"run into this lying person who has compromising pictures of me
has started making me paranoid."
- ♪ Way you've been ♪
- "I know you guys usually help someone
"who isn't sure if they're being catfished or not.
"Well, I know that I've been catfished,
but now I'm paranoid that everyone I come across is him."
- ♪ I'll erase you from my head ♪
- "I don't wanna keep living like this.
Can you help me? Kirsten."
Wow. This is different, though,
because right away, he admitted he was a catfish.
But now, he could be creeping around,
he could be lurking.
- That's what makes me think that this could be someone
that she knows already. - Right.
- It's, like, it could be anybody.
- All right, let's give Kirsten a call.
- Fargo.
Come on, Kirsten.
[gasps] - Oh.
- Hey.
- Hey, Kirsten. - Hi.
- So nice to see someone with a house full of things.
- Seriously. - Yeah.
And mine is very full right now.
[laughs]
- Where'd you move from? - Just from another apartment.
- Oh. - Aww.
Well, we wish we could've come to see you
in your new apartment in North Dakota.
- Oh, I know. - Yeah.
- How old is your kid?
- She just turned two in March.
- Oh, that's so nice.
- And how long were you with or married to her father?
- I was with Randy for a little over three years.
We broke up in February. It was a little bit rough.
- So just this February?
- Yeah, just this past February.
- Is he around and helpful and still involved?
- Yeah, we have her 50-50,
and we kinda do as much as we can to help each other out
to make sure that she's got everything she needs.
- So you've got your beautiful daughter,
you're in a new apartment,
you're sort of starting fresh.
How do you meet Alex?
- I was actually quarantining with my ex at the time.
We lived with each other from when we broke up in February
until just now in June when we finally got our own places.
Which was rough by the end there,
like, we just fought all the time.
And then, one night, this guy adds me.
And I'm like, "Hmm, I don't know him."
His bio said he had just moved here from Oklahoma,
and was looking to make new friends in Fargo,
'cause he got a job here.
There were other people from Fargo
that were mutual friends with me,
so I was like, "Okay."
- Oh, okay.
- And so, like, I knew that he was at least
in kind of one of the circles that I follow.
- Okay, so you get a friend request,
and then you guys start talking.
So how did that start?
- He reached out to me, told me he thought I was cute.
I'm not used to people thinking
that I'm attractive after I've had my baby.
So the fact that he-- it was even a person
who thought I was cute, I was kinda like, "Oh."
- Aww.
- He said he came from a smaller town
that was something like Stillwater, Oklahoma.
He works at the radiology department
of the hospital here in Fargo.
- So you guys started talking, and that first kind of weekend,
you guys were at--were started planning to meet up?
- Yeah, we had been bouncing ideas off of one another,
like, where we would wanna go, what we would wanna do.
Bowling wasn't open at the moment,
but that was kind of something I was thinking of,
maybe ice cream afterwards. - Cute.
And while you were planning to meet up,
you were also sending him some pictures?
- Yes. To be honest,
it was just really flattering to have somebody
who wasn't Randy finding me attractive in the first place,
'cause I was just like, "Pfft, who wants a mom bod?"
[laughs]
- No, that's not true. - No, I know.
- No, it's tough. I-I know it's tough.
- Did you initiate sending him the photos
or did Alex ask for it?
- He asked for them.
- So did he send you pictures of anything sort of...
- He didn't, no, because I told him not to.
- Oh. - Why?
- Because I don't want pictures of it.
- I fully agree.
- And I'm like, "I'll wait until I see you in person."
- And then what happened?
- I was planning on meeting up with him.
And then all of a sudden, he goes,
"I just got a message, and my dad had a stroke,
"and they're not sure if he's gonna make it,
so I need to fly out 7:00 tomorrow morning."
And so of course I was like, "Yeah, go."
And then I talked to him through most of his flight.
He said he was really struggling with
seeing his dad in that stroke state.
And then he kind of dropped off there,
because obviously, he's got a lot going on.
- Right. - Yeah.
- And then that was when he added me on Snapchat.
And I open this picture, and all it was is a black screen
with a cat emoji and a fish emoji.
And then that was when he said that he was actually a catfish,
and that he didn't wanna hurt me anymore.
I'm kinda like...
- Oh, my God.
- And he deleted his Facebook profile,
he deleted his Snapchat.
- Okay. And then he went away?
- Yeah. I thought it was all over.
But then he reached out to my best friend, Cassie,
and sent her a Snapchat, and was like,
"How's Kirsten doing?"
- Oh, God. - Yeah, pretty scary.
- So he's back on Snapchat?
- Yes, but not on my Snapchat.
- But you never got his actual phone number.
- Never got his actual phone number.
- Wow. - Yeah.
- Whoever he is or she is,
and we don't know because Alex wouldn't talk on the phone.
They're still interested in you.
Potentially in Fargo. - Yeah.
- And might be someone you know in person.
- Yeah, I can't-- I can't deal with that.
I mean, I already have anxiety,
so I need to know who it is so that I can safely remove
that person from whatever life I'm moving forward with.
And I started seeing somebody,
and started to get really worried.
What happens if this is him?
- Who's this new guy that you're dating now?
Is he--he lives in Fargo? - Yes, he lives in Fargo.
- What's his name? - Ryan.
He's been a good friend of mine for the last five years.
- Oh, wow.
'Cause Alex showed up shortly after
you and your ex sort of officially
stopped being together. - Yeah.
- And if you guys have been friends for a really long time,
maybe he's always been secretly into you,
but you were in this other relationship.
- Yeah, and that's why I was kinda curious.
- Randy.
Did he know about Alex?
'Cause you guys were living together.
- Yeah, he knew that I was at least talking to somebody.
- But wasn't that awkward?
- Not for me.
It might have been for him.
- Yeah. - [laughs]
- Yeah.
- But I-I-I was, you know, out of the relationship.
- And I'm assuming Randy hasn't moved on
and, like, met someone or--
- No, he hasn't. No.
- Were you married? - We were engaged.
- Do you think it could've been Randy perhaps?
- I mean, I do know that he would love it
if the breakup had never happened,
but if it's him, there definitely would be
a really big change in how I interact with him.
- Clearly, we've got--we've got a weird situation here
because we know almost nothing about this guy,
'cause he already admitted to being fake.
You never had his phone number.
The Facebook page he used is gone.
- I guess I'm just figuring out, like,
where do we even start investigating from?
- I did try to find him.
I, like, tried to do reverse Google image searches
on all the pictures from his Facebook.
I tried to look up the roster of people working currently
in the radiology department at the hospital,
and there is no Alex
or Alexander Jacobs listed on any of them.
- Hmm.
- Did you save any of the pictures?
- I do. I have them on my phone.
- All right, so you still have some pictures,
but presumably of someone that he--that's not him.
- Isn't. Yeah, yeah.
- Can we see them? - Yeah, of course.
I can share them.
[suspenseful music]
- Wait, is this him on the left?
- Yeah. - Okay.
- Wow. - Kirsten!
[laughs]
- Not drop dead, but he's definitely cute.
And then he ended-- he ended up sharing,
like, kids pictures of this same person,
so that was kind of even more strange
than when it wasn't real. I was like,
"How did you get their baby pictures?"
I just know that, to me, there is malicious intent
behind actually creating somebody fake.
I'm really worried, kind of paranoid.
I just need to know who it is so that I can move on.
- Last thing you need in your life right now is to be worried
about some potentially creepy catfish lingering around.
- Yeah. - Spying on you.
- And especially if it's someone you know.
So send us an email with what-- everything you have,
including the people you, you know,
think could potentially be suspects.
Including your ex, Randy.
- Okay.
- We're gonna get to the bottom of this [bleep].
- All right, we'll talk to you later, Kirsten.
- All right, sounds good.
both: Bye. - Bye-bye.
- Been a rough couple months for her.
I mean, the only thing I think worse than being a single mom
during quarantine is also having to live with your ex.
- Awkward.
- I mean, basically it feels like we're just gonna have to
call all the people in her life and hold the light up
to their face and say, "Are you Alex?"
- I'm leaning toward the friend of five years
that may have secretly had a crush on her,
or her ex-boyfriend.
- Whoever it is, it sounds like it could be
somebody already in her life, so that's especially creepy.
- ♪ Isn't it strange ♪
[Spirit City's "Isn't It Strange"]
♪ Isn't it strange ♪
♪ ♪
- I'm back.
But I'm very upset about the way that you eat your cookie,
and I just-- I'm never gonna get over it.
- Let's do one your way.
- The way. The only way.
Okay. So twist.
- Okay, that was a pretty clean twist.
- Oh, yes, that-- that's exactly what you go for.
- Now you want me to scrape that--
- Scrape it through your teeth. Eh.
Enjoy the icing.
And then you put the cookie face-down and eat the cookie.
- What about this half?
- I don't really care about that half.
- So do you wanna know what your way is?
- The right way. - Do you like french fries?
- Yeah, of course. - Okay.
So next time you eat french fries,
I want you to squirt ketchup on a french fry
and then just scrape the ketchup off into your mouth.
And then just throw away half of the french fries.
That's what you're telling me. - You're being ridiculous.
Why you gotta bring french fries into it?
[laughs]
- All right. So we got Kirsten, single mom.
Just got out of a relationship with her ex-fiancé, Randy.
It was awkward because COVID hit,
so they stayed living together
even though they weren't together anymore.
But couple months ago,
she gets approached by this guy, Alex, online.
He says he just moved to Fargo.
He's so cute, they start flirting,
she's sending him cute, sexy pictures.
They make a plan to meet up, and then out of nowhere,
he sends her a confession that he's a catfish, goodbye.
And obviously, Kirsten is left wondering who that was.
Then she starts dating her old friend, Ryan.
For some reason, this guy Alex pops up again
and asks her friend Cassie how she's doing.
And that just triggers a bunch of questions for Kirsten
about, like, who was this Alex guy?
Why are they sort of snooping around her group of friends?
- It's suspicious.
- So we have some suspects,
including her ex-fiancé, Randy,
and her new boyfriend, Ryan.
But at this point, it could be anyone.
All right. We've got an email.
"Hey, Nev and Kamie.
"Here's all the info on Alex Jacobs.
"He claimed he was from Stillwater, Oklahoma.
"His snapchat handle is A1jacobs.
"Here's the information on my ex-fiancé, named Randy.
"Here's his Facebook page.
And my new boyfriend's name is Ryan."
- Boyfriend? - Whoa.
Yeah, she just said they were hanging out.
- She upgraded him over the course of a Zoom call, wow.
- [laughs] - Okay.
"My friend Cassie is the one who Alex messaged on Snapchat.
"She's at work right now, and said she'd call you.
"Here's her Facebook page. Thanks again for your help.
"I'm really hoping this isn't someone I know,
"but if it is, I'll be glad
to not have this worry hanging over me."
At this point, you know, it's like a game of "Clue."
- It's why we have to start eliminating suspects.
- Right. All right.
Let me download these pictures.
- But Kirsten said she already ran the photos.
- Well, all right, but let's run them again.
Okay, here's the beach pic with a friend.
No hits.
Here's him in the lifeguard outfit.
Let's see.
No hits. All right.
This guy looks like a pretty regular guy,
so I don't know. Here's the picture of him
with the two other lifeguards, I think.
Nothing.
Same as Kirsten, we're not getting any hits on that.
So what else?
Snapchat is A1jacobs. Let's just see...
- A1jacobs is definitely a generic handle.
- Right.
So A1jacobs bring up a bunch of stuff, so...
I mean, there is a Twitter. Let's just see.
Okay, this guy says his name is Jacob, not Alex.
All right.
Let's see if he has an Instagram.
[exhales] - Who's that first guy?
- I don't know. Let's see.
Oh, my goodness.
- Is that the same guy? - That's the guy, it's him!
- Oh!
- Look, here's the picture.
- Lifeguard photo.
- I mean, there's a lot of photos,
and a lot of people tagged.
- Does he have photos tagged of him?
- Yeah. A lot.
Let's send him a message.
"Hey, Alex. This is Nev from 'Catfish.'
Would love to chat on Zoom."
Sent.
So this is interesting, because now it looks like
there is someone named Alex Jacobs,
and he is the guy in the pictures.
- This guy is clearly, like, a college kid.
- Do we think this could be the guy?
- He could be lying about being a catfish.
Maybe he realized after talking to Kirsten,
like, "Oh, actually, I'm not that interested."
- Definitely a possibility.
Either someone stole his name and his identity or--
- Maybe he's just, like, a player.
Like, he just likes to talk to random women,
get their sexy pictures, and bounce.
[Zoom chimes]
- Oh! - Oh.
Whoa! - Whoa!
[suspenseful music]
- Either someone stole his name and his identity or--
- Maybe he's just, like, a player.
Like, he just likes to talk to random women,
get their sexy pictures, and bounce.
[Zoom chimes]
- Oh! - Oh.
Whoa! - Whoa!
Hello, welcome. How are you?
- I'm good. - What's up?
- You're on the beach?
- It's in the back. - Yeah, looks nice.
Jeez. - Yeah.
- How old are you?
- I'm 20.
- And you're in college? - Yeah.
- Well, we're trying to figure out,
are you talking to a 30-year-old single mom
in Fargo?
[suspenseful music]
- No. No.
- Do you know anybody who lives, like,
outside Oklahoma City? - No.
- Do you have any idea what's going on?
Like, are you--
- It's actually happening.
- Here's what's going on.
So there's a girl named Kirsten in Fargo, North Dakota...
- Okay.
- Who got a message on Facebook from a guy named Alex Jacobs.
- That's me. - Who looked exactly like you.
Who said he had just moved to Fargo.
And they were flirting a lot and sending messages.
And then all of a sudden, he basically confessed
he wasn't Alex, and then pretty much disappeared.
And so it kind of ended. - Uh-huh.
- But there's still a lot of curiosity and questions around
who that person was,
so we were just curious if you knew of anybody
using your pictures in the past.
- No.
This has, like, never happened before.
- Right. - Dude, I don't know.
- If you happen to hear anything about all this,
just, you know, let us know.
- Oh, definitely. Yeah.
- Thanks, Alex.
- All right, thank you. - Later, buddy.
all: Bye.
- All right, well-- - Not Alex.
- So what else do we have?
- Maybe it's the ex, Randy.
- Kirsten really doesn't think it's her ex.
But look, Alex wouldn't talk on the phone,
and according to her,
he wanted to kind of keep trying to make it work.
- Mm-hmm.
- I think it's worth just feeling him out a little bit.
- Yeah. Eliminate suspects.
- Right. Here's his Facebook.
[dramatic music]
- Are these photos that he still has of them together?
- I guess so. - These make me sad.
- They were in love. - They were engaged.
- All right, so let's just check in with this guy.
"Hey, Randy. This is Nev from 'Catfish.'
♪ ♪
Should I invite him to join our Zoom?
- Why not?
- All right, sent.
So, okay.
What else can we do? Let's see.
I wanna look at this new guy, Ryan.
- This is the one that she's now calling her boyfriend.
- Right, this is the guy,
apparently, she's been friends with for a long time,
and now all of a sudden, she's single,
that quickly turned into them dating.
There's not a lot on this profile.
It looks like it's pretty buttoned up.
But is it possible this guy had heard
the relationship with Randy was over, and he was like,
"Ooh, I wonder if I'm in the friend zone or not.
"But first, let me see if she's even, like,
ready to start talking to guys."
- So you send her a profile for, like, a cute black dude?
- I mean, we can message this guy,
but if it was him, why would he admit to it
and risk potentially screwing up
this new good thing he's got going?
Feels a little-- - Wait, Randy messaged.
- Whoa. - See it?
- Yes.
He said...
- Oh.
- "Okay, we are ready."
Randy's the ex. - Mm-hmm.
[Zoom chimes]
- Can you guys hear me?
- Hey, Randy. - Yes!
- There we go. I got it figured out.
- Wow. - How's it going?
- It's going all right.
- Didn't you have a big beard recently?
- I did, yeah. I shaved it.
- Quarantine got the best of you, huh?
- Yeah. - Are you in Fargo?
- Yeah, I'm in Fargo, just at my apartment.
- That's good.
Well, we heard that you and Kirsten are living apart now.
Is that weird?
- I mean, I got used to it.
- Yeah. - Yeah.
- Are you now dating anyone yourself?
- No. No, no, no, no.
I had, like, three years, and it just ended.
It's just like, "Yeah, give it--give it a little time."
- Right.
- Are you still in love with Kirsten?
- Still--I mean, she's mother-- she's the mother of my kid.
I still got, I mean, I'm still gonna have some--
some types of feels for her, you know?
- Mm-hmm. - I don't know, just--
it--it all started, like--
I think pregnancy hormones got to her,
and then me hurting my back got to me a little bit,
and then--it just-- everything rolled downhill.
- Like, would you wanna get back together
if you guys were able to work things out?
- I've tried.
She's pretty much made it clear
that there's too much water under the bridge,
and that's where she's at. - Sorry.
- Yeah, wow. That is--that is tough.
All right, well, so I guess the question, then, is, like--
I mean, you're obviously close to her.
You have a daughter together.
You've been living together for a while, like,
do you have any idea, like, why we're involved?
- Yeah, 'cause she got catfished.
[laughs]
I mean, you know, I kinda-- I kinda figured that was--
that might have happened, but I wasn't really sure.
I mean, she talked to me and told me
she was ta--talking to somebody,
but I didn't know she was actually catfished.
She almost didn't tell me, but I kinda was just like,
"What is so bad?"
And she's like, "I got catfished."
And I was like, "Okay."
- Was it weird, like, living with your ex,
and you find out that she's talking to somebody else?
- Yeah.
- Does anybody come to mind when you think about
who could've been catfishing her?
- No, I have no idea.
- Well, are you the catfish?
- Yeah, um, I don't have time for that.
I don't--I'm not-- that's not my style.
- Hmm.
Do you know anything about the new guy
Kirsten's talking to? Ryan?
- She's talking to Ryan?
[tense music]
- Oh, God. Holy [bleep].
God damn it.
- Do you know anything about the new guy
Kirsten's talking to? Ryan?
- She's talking to Ryan?
[tense music]
- Oh, God.
God.
This just gets better and better.
God damn it.
♪ ♪
Well, thanks for that info. Holy [bleep].
- Um, so, yeah. I don't know--
- Who told you that they were a thing?
Was it Kirsten?
- Yeah.
- I didn't expect that. I really didn't.
I mean, like, I knew she was gonna find somebody sometime.
I just didn't expect it to be Ryan.
- I don't know.
- All right. Well, look.
If you hear anything that you think might be helpful,
let us know.
- If I had any idea, I would've told you by now.
- All right. - Thanks.
- All right, later. - Bye.
Oh, I [bleep] up. I [bleep] up.
- [laughs]
- But I didn't know he didn't know!
- But he was gonna find out eventually, right?
Oh, man.
- So are we texting Kirsten and telling her
that you spilled the beans about Ryan?
- You said, "What about this guy Ryan?
What do you think about him?"
- Let me tell you something. - [laughs]
- If you don't want information to be shared,
you have to give disclaimers.
- All right. Well, I'll text her.
"Hey, we talked to Randy, and mentioned..."
- No one's at fault, no one's to blame.
- "That you are seeing Ryan now.
Sowwy."
And then a shrug.
- Yeah.
- But I'm doing a guy and a girl.
I'm not taking the whole shrug.
- No, that's not fair. - I'm not--
I'm not shrugging alone.
[both laugh]
- No!
Well, as long as you're first.
I--yes, fine. I went first.
- Oops. Sorry, Kirsten.
[cell phone chimes] - Whoa, wait a second.
I have a text message. It's from Cassie.
- Who's Cassie?
- Cassie's the one Alex messaged on Snapchat.
She said she'd call us. - Oh, okay, okay.
- "Hey, should I jump on the Zoom?"
Yes. All right, great.
- Wait. Unshare, unshare.
- Unshare, unshare. Oh, God.
- It's a private investigation.
- She's on a need-to-know.
Hey! - Hah!
Hey! - What's up, Cassie?
- Good. How are you guys?
- Doing well.
- We're doing what we do, you know?
Figuring out how to--how to catch catfish during COVID.
- For Kirsten. Say that five times fast.
- [laughs]
- So what can you tell us about this whole weird situation?
What do you know? What do you not know?
- Oh, man.
Well, a little while ago,
I got a friend request from this Alex Jacobs,
and I noticed that I had mutual friends.
- And Kirsten was a mutual friend?
- Yes.
So I accepted the friend request,
and just thought nothing of it.
And I had no communication with him
up until I got a Snapchat from Alex.
- And I assume at that point that you had already
talked to Kirsten, who had told you that
he had sort of confessed to not being that guy.
- Yeah, I was in the car with her
when he said that he was, in fact, the catfish.
- And what did he say in his message?
- He goes, "Hey...how's Kirsten?
She doing all right?"
I don't know who this person is.
I've never talked to them before.
- And did you answer?
Did you guys have any conversation?
- I said, "Yeah, she's doing good."
and he's opened my Snapchat,
but I haven't heard from him since.
- This is weird, 'cause it sounds like someone
created this profile with the intention of
making a group of friends in Fargo.
- And targeting, like, your circle...
- For some reason, and I don't know if that reason
was to talk to Kirsten or maybe to talk to someone else.
- Yeah. Right. - It's weird.
Is your Snapchat on, like, your Facebook?
- No, it is not.
- So how would he find you on Snapchat?
- I--that's a good question. I don't know.
- But if this Alex person has your number
saved on their phone, they could've found your Snapchat.
- Oh, absolutely.
But that also would mean I would know that person.
- Right. - Weird.
- Yeah.
- In terms of just, like, characters in Fargo,
in your group of friends, are there any people
that tend to kind of cause trouble, are mischievous?
- Yeah.
- Tad? - Yeah.
Tad's an ex of Kirsten's that--
the relationship did not end well.
- Mm-hmm. - I don't know.
I think he probably could do something like this.
- Suspicious.
- Can you text us a link to his Facebook?
- Yeah, because, you know, I'm just as curious
as anybody else is, especially since I'm...
- All right. Well, cool.
So look, thanks for the info.
If you hear from him, let us know.
- I will. - Thanks, Cassie.
- Thank you. - Bye.
- Bye.
- Hmm. - All right.
- I feel like that got us this much closer.
- Okay, Cassie just sent us Tad's Facebook.
She says he goes by "Tsean" on Facebook.
Well, let's take a look at this guy.
Look at Tsean.
- Tad is the one where it ended badly?
- Right, so they dated. - Right.
- Compared to what we have seen with Ryan and with Randy,
Tad was a completely different type for Kirsten.
- So then the question is, okay, if it is Tad,
he could've messaged her as him, right?
Like, he could've just said, "Hey, how's it going?"
And she probably would say-- - They had a nasty breakup.
- Yeah, I mean, if he was sort of gauging
whether or not she was available for a relationship,
this could be a way to do that.
- So maybe we should hit him up and see,
because even if he's not the one,
maybe somebody who knows him and is connected to him
would create this profile knowing that Tad
was her type at that time. - Right, right.
All right, so let's just message Tad.
"Hey, Tad. This is Nev from 'Catfish,'
and your name came up.
- You should maybe say it's about Kirsten,
because he likes Kirsten.
- "It's about Kirsten, by the way."
All right, do we think this could be the guy?
- I don't know.
Cassie definitely doesn't seem to trust him.
- It's just weird, because the catfish in this case,
as far as we know, was, like, very nice.
- But he asked for pictures
and they were also having graphic conversations, so...
- Right, he got the nudes, and then he sort of dipped.
- We also didn't ask Cassie why they had, like a falling out.
So could this be Tad trying to blackmail?
- He's a real star.
Wow, Biggie. Look how handsome you are.
I know. Hard to believe.
Hopefully, my girl Kirsten doesn't didn't have to
deal with too much baby daddy drama yesterday because of me.
Sorry, girl.
This is why disclaimers are a thing.
How am I supposed to know it's a secret
if I don't know it's a secret?
Nev, where are you? I'm in the Zoom.
Send.
[laughter]
- All right, this is what we call...
dance party.
[laughter]
Bubbles!
[energetic music]
♪ ♪
Here we go. Let's do this.
Hey. - We're back.
- We had a big day yesterday.
We left a catfish crater in Fargo, North Dakota.
- Oops. [sighs]
- All right, let's check Facebook,
see if we got any messages.
No, Tsean never got back to us.
- I'm shocked. - We spoke to Randy.
- And I'm sure Kirsten has been dealing with that
baby daddy drama all night. I feel bad.
- I'm not sure what else there is to do.
I mean, I guess we should get Kirsten in here,
go over what we found.
See what--what does and doesn't make sense to her.
- I'm ready. Call her up.
- "Hey, will you jump in the Zoom?"
[cell phone chimes]
Oh, she said yes. Stand by, here she comes.
[Zoom chimes]
- Hey. - Hi, good morning.
- Hey. - How are you?
- I'm as good as I can be. [laughs]
It's just been a long night talking to Randy, so...
- I told you you shouldn't have said something, Kamie.
- It was my fault. - Oh, my God.
- I should have said something to one of--
either you guys or to him.
- So what did Randy say?
- He was just mad that I wasn't the one who told him.
Because we've known Ryan forever,
so I-I get where he's coming from,
and so I can't be very upset about it.
But then-- then he also called me,
you know, saying he wanted me back,
at about 11:00 p.m. last night.
- Really?
- Tried to convince me that,
so that was another long phone conversation.
- Well, sorry. - Just a little bit rough.
- It's all--it's okay, though. It's okay.
It's nothing I haven't handled already before, so...
- Well, if you would prefer to have Kamie
not involved anymore, I understand.
[laughter]
Right. But--but all kidding aside,
we do have some things to discuss.
Obviously, we spoke to Randy.
- Yup.
- We did speak to Cassie, who was lovely.
And she said that she thought
maybe one of your friends, Tad, could be involved.
[quiet dramatic music]
- I know you guys have had a troubled relationship,
so it got us thinking that maybe
there was some kind of connection there.
- Right.
- I would've expected it from the Tad
that I knew back in 2015.
He was definitely that kind of petty person
that might have done something.
But more recently, as far as I could see,
he was getting his life together
and doing really well for himself.
- All right, so--right.
We can't-- we can't rule him out,
but then, just out of curiosity,
we searched for Alex Jacobs on Instagram,
and the first guy that comes up is this guy, Alex Jacobs.
Same name... - Same pictures.
- Some of the same exact photos.
So we FaceTimed with him and just confirmed
doesn't know anybody in Fargo, never been to Fargo,
is not talking to you,
and--and we have no reason to think he's lying to us.
- Okay.
- Obviously, there's no phone number
for whoever you've been talking to.
One of us could add him on Snapchat and message him.
- Sure.
- I-I guess I could just try to do that now.
What was it? Was it AJ--A1jacobs, right?
- Yeah. - Yeah.
- So then let me add him.
"Hey, Alex, this is Nev..."
- "Alex." - "From 'Catfish.'"
All right, I'm sending it.
So what else can we do? I mean...
Snapchat's--that's it. That's our only way--
that's our only point of contact with this guy or girl.
- We're at Alex's mercy now.
- Yeah, my stomach's not very happy with me right now.
It's kind of in a knot. [cell phone chimes]
- Oh! Oh, I got a Snap.
I got a Snap. - What?
- He wrote, "I already messed up.
"I don't want to again.
I don't want her getting hurt."
- It's a little late for that.
I don't know how now he could do anything more.
- So then say, "Listen, mother[bleep].
"Here's what you're gonna do.
This is the link to the Zoom, get in it, or get lost."
- I like sassy Kamie. [laughs]
- That's how we handle it.
- I'm gonna say, "Kirsten is a strong woman.
I'm sure she can handle it."
- Oh.
[cell phone chimes]
- He wrote back. He said, "I know she is.
"That's part of what attracts me to her.
Okay, what's the Zoom ID?"
- Send it.
Send it.
- So I guess any--any moment, maybe he'll be joining us.
You guys ready?
- No. - No, but yes.
- I just got a weird feeling that it's Randy.
- The more I think about it,
the more I think you could be right.
Maybe he wanted to, like, keep you in this sort of
holding pattern with Alex
so that you wouldn't go meet some other guy,
'cause he was hoping that maybe he could recover
and get back with you.
- I'm gonna be very, very, very mad,
like, unbelievably mad.
- Oh, God.
I'm just--I'm--I... [Zoom chimes]
- Oh. Oh.
Hello?
Hello? Was that...
Just says "A."
They wrote in the chat, "I can hear you."
And "I can see you too." Okay.
- 'Cause I don't really understand why you're hiding.
It's, like, what--what's the point of hiding at this point?
I deserve to know who I was talking to.
I really do.
- Oh.
[tense music]
- To be honest, I don't really understand why you're hiding.
I deserve to know who I was talking to.
♪ ♪
- Oh. Hi.
- Hi.
- Kirsten, do you know this gentleman?
- Yeah, that's Justin.
We've been acquaintances for many years.
He's actually one of Tad's friends.
- Huh.
- After Andy and I split,
he tried to hit on me.
I turned him down.
- Wow, okay. So you do know this guy.
Had you known he liked you?
- Just when he asked me out.
Before that, I thought he hated me.
- Before, when we were hanging out,
things weren't always the greatest between us.
And I kinda thought that I can get her to see that
it's been five years now.
We're not the same people anymore.
Things have changed.
- What was so bad back then?
- We had a really tight-knit group of friends at the time,
where we did everything with each other every single day.
But Tad and I ended it in a fight.
And they pretty much all blamed me.
- And Justin didn't have your back in the situation?
- No, none of the guys in the entire group did.
- What I saw was my friend was being hurt,
and didn't really see things from her point of view.
- Right.
- And I just took his side and his word for it.
- But you were his friend. - Right.
It's been, you know, many years later,
and we're both different people now,
we, you know, have grown up, matured,
and I-I've always kind of had a soft spot for her.
- Okay, so you-- you shot your shot,
and she said, "No thanks." Or what did you say, Kirsten?
- I-I just said, "No. Based on our history,
I don't want to pursue a relationship with you."
- Okay, she said no.
Why make a fake profile to talk to her?
Like, what did you see as the potential for doing that?
- The thing to me was that she was still using, like,
our past from five years ago against me currently.
- But she also just might not wanna go on a date with you.
Maybe she's not attracted to you.
- Right.
It was just a reason that was given to me.
I thought that if we were able to
actually get to know each other on a personal level,
maybe then there would be that opportunity.
- I guess I don't know how
a lie could turn into something good.
'Cause I don't do well with people who lie to me,
and that's kind of just what this all feels like to me,
as a big set up lie.
- On one hand, I kind of get where you're coming from,
in a sense, but it's almost, like, wishful thinking.
Like, if you were going to come out and say like,
"Hey, you know, just to let you know,
this is not who I really am."
That doesn't change the fact that before you confessed,
you deceived Kirsten,
and were asking her for photos of herself.
That's not consensual for Kirsten.
- Right.
- It definitely doesn't make me feel very good.
[melancholy music]
- I had this guilty conscience about it.
I deleted the pictures and everything.
I didn't earn these in a trustful way.
I apologize for betraying your trust,
and I kinda thought that maybe we'd be able to
get over the history that we had and be able to start fresh.
I know forgiveness isn't, you know, easy to come by,
but the feelings that you felt and the relationship
that you built with the profile I had made was all me.
- It's good to hear that.
But there isn't a future with us
in any romantic setting.
I don't think I can trust.
- That's understandable.
- You know, like, when she said she was not interested,
like, I think you should've
probably just let it-- let it be.
- Right.
No, I-I definitely see that, looking back.
- It went too far,
and it crossed a line and a boundary.
And I think that you know that,
and you seem remorseful about that.
And that definitely means something.
- Well, I appreciate you guys being able to take the time
to talk with me and things like that, so...
- You got a lot of life ahead of you.
Take what you've, you know, hopefully learned from this,
and find someone who's--who's ready and--and right for you.
- Absolutely. - All right, Justin.
Good luck with everything, okay?
- Good luck. - All right, man, see you.
- All right. - Bye.
- It feels like he's an okay guy, you know, he just...
- [bleep] up! - Yeah.
I don't think he meant anything malicious.
- Not where we thought we'd end, but...
- No.
- It feels like at least it's--it's a good ending,
and there's some real resolution here.
- Yeah. I'm really glad
that you guys weren't right, and that it wasn't Randy.
- I mean...
- I was--that--man, I was worried there.
- I was scared.
- Well, now you can just focus on your daughter
and this new relationship with Ryan.
- Thank you guys so much for helping me.
- Anytime.
- Hopefully never again.
[laughter]
- Bye.
- Bye, Kirsten. - Bye.
- ♪ I can't get you out of my head ♪
♪ ♪
♪ No, I can't get you out of my head ♪
♪ ♪
- Stephanie has been talking to Danny for ten years!
- No!
- I tried to move on.
Like, I can't let it go.
- What is this guy hiding?
- Uh-oh, the phone number links to this Facebook page.
- Oh, no. - Is it possible that she's
been talking to this lady the whole time?
Ready?
- No.
[Zoom chimes]