Catfish: The TV Show (2012–…): Season 7, Episode 22 - Chelsea & Lennie - full transcript

- You've been in
an online relationship

with a reality TV star.

How do you know
if the fan page

is really his?

- I don't.

- Don't know if
I'm the person

that she expects me to be.

- That's alarming.

- There is someone in the car.
- Sitting there.

- Oh.
- That's some bull[bleep].

[dramatic musical sting]



- Hey, what's up?

We got a good one
for you today.

I got a special co-host,

Tallulah Willis.

- Hello!
- What up?

- [laughing]

- Tallulah is a force.

She's a writer,

an outspoken advocate
for people struggling

with body dysmorphia
and depression,

and she's also a celebrated,
cutting-edge artist.

Her stuff is wild.

She's an all-around
sweetheart,

and we're so thrilled
to have her join us.



- [laughing]

- How was that?
Did I do a good job?

- That was actually fire,
thank you.

- Okay, good.
- No, that was great.

- If you don't know,

Tallulah is the daughter
of Bruce Willis

and Demi Moore.
- Yes.

Um, I don't act.

My parents do that.

This is actually,
like, the first

camera-adjacent experience
I've ever had.

But, fan of the show.

I just hope that
I can do my best.

- So...
- Yeah.

- This is the Max cam.

- Okay.
- And I think we should

keep it that.

I think it's important

as a reminder to all of us.

We should even probably
get a little...

- Yeah.

Film that clock
for a few seconds.

- Okay.
- You're good to go.

- So this is what I'm seeing.

Very stressful.

[laughing]

This, not stressful.

- Okay.

Now we got an email here

from Chelsea.

"Can this fantasy
become a reality?"

"Dear Nev and Tallulah,

"My name is Chelsea.

I'm a 28-year-old
tattoo apprentice."

Cool.

"And live in Salt Lake City.

"For over a year, I've been
in an online relationship

"with a reality TV star,

and I think he might
be the one."

- ♪ I get it, I'm sorry ♪

- "His name is Lennie.

"He's 30 years old,
and he lives

In Greensboro,
North Carolina."

- ♪ I get it ♪

- "On the show, he was such
an amazing boyfriend

"to one of the girls who was
struggling with her weight.

"It made me feel like maybe

I could find a guy
like that too."

- ♪ Don't leave
me blindfolded ♪

- "I didn't expect it to
actually end up

"being Lennie.

"When he became single,

"I sent him a message on
his fan page,

and we started messaging
every day."

- ♪ Don't leave me
blindfolded ♪

- "We're both artists,

"and that's how
our connection initially grew.

"He makes me feel sexy
and loved,

"and for a long time,

"I didn't think
that was possible.

I've never had
a boyfriend before."

Wow.

"He says he wants to marry me

"and start a family together,

"but I'm still just
waiting for him

to even FaceTime."

- I think that's the toughie.

When they go the grandiose
plans of, like,

moving and babies,
but they're like,

"Can't even call you."
- Right.

"I really want to meet Lennie

"and find out if he
really loves me

"as much as he claims.

Please help. Chelsea."

- ♪ And all I'm asking for
is the truth ♪

- Whoa.

The fact that she's 28,

finally feels like

she's ready
for a relationship...

- Yeah, I hope
that this person

has true feelings for her.

- Let's get her
on the old video chat.

- Hi!
- Hey!

- Hi, hi!
- What's up, Chelsea?

Amazing tattoos.

- Thank you.

- This is Tallulah.
- Hi!

- She is co-hosting with me.

We just read your email.

Can you kind of give us
a little bit more

about yourself,
kind of pre-Lennie?

- Yeah.
- Yeah.

I've lost a really significant

amount of weight.

I've lost over 200 pounds.

- Oh, my God.

How do you feel after, like,

losing all of that?

- So happy.
- Yeah.

- It's just, like,
I can finally just...

be myself.

- Yeah.

- And so at what point

did you become
aware of Lennie,

and how did that all start?

- So I started watching
this show called

"My Big Fat Fabulous Life,"

um, because I really relate to

Whitney Way Thore;
she's, like,

a really positive role model.

She's plus-size.

So I started watching
the show,

and Lennie was actually

her boyfriend on the show,

and he's also an artist.

- So you were kind of like
a fan of Lennie, and...

- Yeah.
- And had a crush on him

this whole time?

- Yeah.
- [laughing]

- I think he's very attractive

and he has
a really cool beard.

He was someone
that I would date.

A couple of seasons later,

like, they split up,

and, like, right around there,

like, I had wrote him
on a Facebook page

that I found, and I wrote him
and was like,

"Hey, I'm an artist too.

"I think I'm kind of cool.

We should just be friends."

And then he gave me
his phone number

and we've just been talking

almost every single day
since then.

I told him,

"Let's paint each other's
portraits."

And he said that he was
going to,

and it took me
maybe 35 minutes

to paint something of him,

and it's been, like, a year,

and he's still not sent
anything back.

- So how do you know

if the fan page
is really his?

- I don't.

- Have you spoken to him
on the--

like, have you heard his voice?

- Yeah, I've heard his voice.

But he just has a normal
guy voice.

- But he was on a show.

- Is his voice the same?

- The same as the guy
on the show?

- Like, I think so...

- Yeah.
- But...

he still has never, like,

ever video chatted.

I've tried to video chat
multiple times.

Like, every single time,
it gets denied

or he just won't pick up.

- That's weird, too,

'cause this is a guy
who's clearly comfortable...

- Yeah.
- Being on camera.

- Yeah, he's on reality TV.

- Yeah.
- Right.

It's not like he's
a super private...

- Yeah.
- Insecure person.

- Are you in love with him?
Do you love him?

Do you think?

- Yeah, I really care
about him.

Like, he said, like,
"Let's get married.

"Let's have kids.

These are kid names
that I've picked out."

He's said that
he's gonna move to Utah.

All these, like,

things that people
don't just promise.

- All right, so, look.

I think you should come
to Los Angeles,

and then we'll decide,
you know, what

the next best step would be.

- All right, I'm excited
to meet you guys.

- Great.
- Bye!

- Bye, Chelsea.

- Okay.
You've been on TV before.

Why won't you FaceTime?

- Right.
- Like, come on.

- If he was lying,

for someone to make a fake page

for this guy that
is a public figure

that women are gonna
be attracted to...

- Yeah. Yeah.

- Gives me sort of, like,
a creepy predator vibe.

- Ew.
- And to have him promising

their life together.

Whoever it is, we need
to help this girl.

- It will be done.

[upbeat rock music]

- All right, Chelsea's
probably landed.

- I'm curious if she's
still holding onto

the fantasy of what
she saw on the show...

- Right.
- Versus what she's getting

in front of her.

She deserves to figure it out.

I hope that we don't burst
that bubble.

But maybe it--maybe
it needs to be burst.

[gasps]
Yeah!

- It's good to meet you.
- Hi, nice to meet you!

- Welcome. Here.
You want to jump up front?

- Hop on in!

- All right, well,
what do you say

we head to your little Airbnb?

- Okay.

- You mentioned in your email

about you never having,
like, a boyfriend.

What does that mean?

- I've dated people,
but not, like--

I've never let it get serious.

- Yeah.

You've never been in love
before this.

- Yeah. Yeah.

- All right.

Welcome to your little
LA cabin.

Whoa, this is nice!

- This is great.

- We got a lot of chatting...
- Yeah.

- Ahead of us.
[both giggling]

- I mean, we barely--
I feel like we barely

scratched the surface.
- Yeah.

- Yeah.
- Not just with Lennie,

but with you
and your past.

I know you say--

You obviously were heavier.

- Yeah. I just didn't know

how to eat properly.

Like, I got to a point where

I was either gonna die

or I was gonna change things.

- I just have to say, like,

I understand what it feels like

to be in a prison
of your own body,

and that's a very
horrible feeling.

I was diagnosed
with body dysmorphia.

To go through all of that

is a crazy thing.

- Yeah.

- You went through

a much more intense thing,

but, like, I can
understand that.

I know that that's a feeling

that other people feel,

and I think you're
really gonna, like,

affect a lot of people
from sharing this.

- Yeah, I feel like

I'm ready to move forward
with my life.

Once I realized that,
I'm just happy.

Like, everything's good.

- So you see this show
with Lennie,

you like him enough that you...

- Reach out.

- Yeah. I just
wrote him one day,

and right away,
he's just giving me

a bunch of compliments

and just saying these
really sweet things,

and so he was interested
right away,

which I was really shocked by.

'Cause I had just wanted
to talk about art, you know?

I mean, that's my shoo-in.
[both laughing]

- You weren't expecting
the, uh,

"Draw me like one of your"...
both: French girls.

- Oh, I've said that
a few times.

- You've said that?

[all laughing]

- Actually, like,
we really became

really close.

We just connect so much

that I have never felt that
with anyone else.

He cares about me

and cares about
what I have to say,

and he thinks I'm smart,

and he thinks not just, like,

"Oh, you're hot, nice,
tattoos are nice--"

- He sees you.

- Yeah, like...

- That's the greatest feeling
in the world.

- [giggling]

- At what point, though,
did it go to him saying,

"We should get married,
we should have kids"?

- Yeah, that's a--
that's a jump.

- When he said things
like that,

I just--it's like, you don't
joke about that.

And he brought it up
multiple times.

We had a lot of plans to meet,

but then he would always say

he didn't have time off
from work,

or he didn't have the money.

I asked him multiple times,
like, "What are we?"

And he would kind of avoid
the subject.

And so I would still, like,

go on dates
and stuff like that.

- Did you tell him?

- Yeah, like,
I kind of was like,

"Okay, if you want
to go on dates,

"then that's fine,

and I'm gonna kinda
do the same thing,"

and so I've been, like...

going on dates
with this guy, um, that

I know in real life,

and I mentioned that to him,

and he got pretty upset
about it.

- Did you like this guy?

- Yeah, like, he's...

He's a good guy.

- So wait a second.
So...

What happened?
Why aren't you now dating

this guy from Utah?

- I...just kind of...

- Or are you, sort of?
- [laughing]

- 'Cause this story just got
a lot more interesting.

So you kind of have a guy
that you're dating

that you really like...

- Yeah.
- But you're not sure

if you want to lean in because

you've been talking to Lennie,

and if Lennie's legit
and he's the real deal,

then you want to make
that work.

- Right. It's just...

That's--it's a hard
spot to be in.

- So you're torn.
- You've gotta get...

Yeah, you gotta get
some clarity.

You gotta get some clarity.
- You're in a tough spot.

- Yeah.

- Let's take a look
at this guy.

Okay, so here he is.

Lennie Alehat.

- Alehat.
- Alehat.

- Oh, and I guess this is
one of his paintings.

- Yeah.
- Oh, wow, it's beautiful.

- Is this a fan page
or a personal page?

- It's his fan page.

- So I see what you're
saying with the beard.

- Yeah. Yeah.

- He's got a kitten.
- And he's, yeah,

he's like--he likes animals...

- And you guys are talking
about getting tattoos?

- Yeah.
- Cool.

- There you go, look, up above.

"Let's get married,
make our babies."

- Whoa.
- [giggling]

- So this is your...

- Oh, you did this of him?

- Mm-hmm.
- This was your portrait.

- Whoa.
- So that's--

- That's really good.
- That's amazing.

You're on such a momentum
right now.

And like, truly, like,

you're moving, I think--

- You're hot.

- Like, he either needs
to, like, get with it

or you need to--
- This train's gonna go.

- The train
has left the station.

- Does the guy you're dating
know about Lennie?

- No.

- Okay. Does he know that
you're doing this?

- No.
- And what's his name?

- Chris.
He knows that I'm...

on vacation.

And that's about it.

Like, I don't want
to hurt anyone.

I don't want to drag this on
longer than it

needs to be, and...
- Yeah.

- And it's also, like,
hurting me, too, you know?

- Of course.

I'm so excited to help.

- I appreciate you guys.

- We'll see what we can find

and check back in tomorrow.

- Sounds good.

- Bye.
- Bye.

- Bye.

- We'll call you
in the morning.

- All right, see you.

- Wow.

My fear is that it's not gonna

work out with Lennie

and then Chris in Utah
is gonna find out

that he was a backup B-plan.

- Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- And she could end up

losing both of the guys

that she's seeing right now.
- Yeah.

I'm scared that
she's gonna get hurt.

- Let's do this.
- Okay.

- Ready for some answers?
- Yeah.

- All right.

- Kay, let's just
quickly recap.

- Yes.

- Chelsea met Lennie

about a year and a half ago.

- She knows him
from a reality show.

But also there's Utah Chris.

- Chelsea has feelings
for this guy.

- For a real guy. Yeah.
- Right.

- Does she get one of them?

Does she lose both of them?

I think that there
could be a big fall.

- All right.
We got an email here.

All right.
"Hey Nev and Tallulah,

Here's what I know
about Lennie."

Facebook page,
his phone number,

and Instagram, okay.

- Okay.
- Magic Scienceland?

All right, let's just do
a Google search...

- Of his name, yeah.
- Yeah.

All right, so Lennie Alehat.

Okay, so this must
be on the show.

- Yeah, so that's his art.
- There's some art.

- That was on his thing.
Okay, wait.

That's a Twitter.
- Okay, so...

790 followers.

- Also his website is the same
as his Instagram.

- Oh, nice. Magic Scienceland.
- Yeah.

- Let's go to his website.

Okay, so he's got
some art on it.

- Yeah.

- This feels like it would be,

for sure, his.

- There's a Facebook.

You wanna click that?

- Oh.
- Oh, my God.

- This is the Facebook that

Chelsea has been talking with.

- This is him.
- You're right.

That's crazy.

Here, he posted, "Like
if you're a floating head

made of lightning.
Share if you're infinite."

Interesting.

- This guy, Pierce [bleep]...
- Right.

Said "Come check out
Lennie's paint night."

- Yeah.

- I would assume
that they're friends.

So should we check
this guy out?

- Yeah, yeah, yeah.

- Pierce doesn't have
a lot on here.

And it's private.
- No, so he's...okay.

- Well, let's send him
a message.

"Hey, Pierce, this is Nev from
the MTV show 'Catfish.'

"I'm working on an episode now
that involves

your friend Lennie.
Please give me a call."

Okay, great. All right.
- Perfect.

- Sent.

So let's go back to

Lennie Alehat search results.

There's the Instagram.

Magic Scienceland
on Instagram.

- Okay, so that's...

the one that she sent.

- Yeah, Lennie Alehat.

10,000 followers.

- But he hasn't updated this

in, like, two years.

- Oh--oh.
- 2016.

- You're right.

The weirdest part
about this is...

[phone ringing]

I'm getting a phone call.
- Okay.

- All right.

Hold--
- From North Carolina!

- Yeah.
This must be, uh, Pierce.

Hello?

- Hey, is this Pierce?

- Hey, Pierce.
This is Nev.

- Yeah.

- I'm great.

I'm here with my co-host

this episode, Tallulah.

- Hi!

- So we got an email from

a girl who's been
talking to Lennie...Alehat.

- "Ale-hat".

- Sorry.
Okay, well, thank you.

Okay, so...
Lennie's Facebook page.

Is that run by him?

- Let me ask you a question.

I'm gonna read you
a phone number

that we have for Lennie,

and you can just tell me

if that's the same number
you have.

- [bleep].

Okay, so that's not
the number you have

for your friend.
Got it.

Um...

Everything you've told us
is very helpful.

- Thank you so much
for talking with us.

- All right, bye-bye.
- Bye.

- Wow.

So maybe--someone maybe
set up a fan page

for him because
he didn't have one...

- Yeah.
- And he's not super--

he doesn't--
he's not into the Internet.

- Yeah.

- And then because he was

so not interested in it,

when he left the show,
that person was like,

"Huh, I still have access
to this page."

So it really could
be anybody anywhere.

All right.
I think we gotta search

for the phone number.

Oh!

So wait--so the phone number
she has for him

is registered
to Nathan Brooman.

Let's try this
different website.

Let's see what this one has

'cause it's always good
to cross-check.

- Christina Brooman.

- Another Brooman,
but now it's a girl.

Wow.

So we know Chelsea
is talking to "Lennie"

on this number.
- Yes.

- And it's a man, presumably.

- Some...yeah.
- It could be that

this Nathan Brooman
is actually running...

- The account.

- So let's search
Nathan Brooman on Facebook.

- Okay.
- Nathan Brooman.

There he is. Nathan Brooman.

He looks like a normal,
nice guy.

I don't think that's him.
- What about Christina?

- Yeah, let's look up
Christina.

- Art.
- Art.

That's a pretty big
coincidence.

Oh, we got--
there's a phone number.

- That's the number.

- Holy [bleep].
- Oh, my God.

That is the number
she's been talking to.

[bleep].
- Yeah, that's it.

- Yeah.
- Wow.

All right.
We got a lot of info here.

Okay, so the phone number
that Chelsea has

belongs to Christina Brooman.

Lennie doesn't actually
run his Facebook page.

- Yeah.
- There are...

some other administrators,

which is, I think, the word
he was looking for.

- Yeah.

- If Lennie's not
running the pages...

- I think it could
be Christina.

- But what's with
the voice, then?

She asked some guy
to be the voice?

- Someone to be on the phone.

All right.
- You know what, you're right.

We've had that.
- You've had the switcheroo.

- We have had the male
voice accomplice.

Maybe Nathan.
- Yeah.

- So, Chelsea,
she's in a tough spot now.

- Yeah. I think she's gonna
be really upset.

[line ringing]

- Hey, Chelsea.

We found a lot

that we need to talk about
immediately.

We'll head over.

- See you soon.

- [sighs] Should we take,
like, a little breath?

Like...
- A little bit.

[all breathing deeply]

- Hands on the table
to ground yourself.

Close your eyes.
- Kay.

[all breathing deeply]

- [sighs]
- [giggling]

- All right. Cool.

- Great.
- All right.

So here was where we started.

- We Googled him.
- Okay.

- And we found a Twitter page.

And immediately,
we started sort of

noticing things, right?

So for one, the first thing

that jumped out was

there's a link to a website.

We went to it.
- Yeah.

- Here it is.

But this,
as much as we can tell,

feels like a very real website.

And so we went to see what

is under the "Contact" page.
- Mm-hmm.

- And there's a Facebook link.
- Mm-hmm.

- And when we clicked on that,

it took us to his page.
- Yeah. Okay.

- So the fact that
all of these pages

are definitely connected
to each other,

they all reference
each other,

it's starting to really
feel like

Lennie is a real person
in North Carolina

who has--he makes art, and...
- Art and yeah.

There's not, like,
multiple different names.

It's kind of
the same key words,

his brand name kind of thing...
- Right.

- So we were surprised.
- Mm-hmm.

- Okay.

- Feels very much

like we could say
case closed.

End of story...
- Yeah.

- This is him.
- Okay.

- Then you have to ask
yourself,

"Okay, well then why
is he being so shady?"

- And weird and won't
FaceTime...

- Right.

- So we looked
at his Facebook page.

And we noticed...
- This guy, Pierce [bleep].

- Right, posted on his page.
- Mm-hmm.

- So we messaged Pierce.

- Okay.
- He called us.

And we said, "We saw
you're friends

"with Lennie.
We've got this girl

"who has been talking to him

on his Facebook page."

And Pierce was like, "Oh, well,

"I do know that there are
other people

who are administrators
on his Facebook page."

- Okay.

- Pierce gave us
the impression that

Lennie's not very active
on his page

but that he's aware
of other people...

- Kind of being on it
and running it.

- Right.

- So this is where we both
looked at each other

and said,
"Something doesn't feel right."

- It's weird.

- It doesn't seem like you're
talking to the real Lennie.

- If it's someone else
that I've been talking to

that is running the page
for some reason,

that's not, um...

Mm. Sorry.

- No, it's okay.

- That's an invasion
of privacy.

[tense music]

- So the natural, then,
question was,

"Do you have his phone number?"
- Right.

- So we read him
the number you have.

- Okay.
- And he said it is not

the number he has for Lennie.

- That's really weird.

- So that was like...

- I've had conversations
on that number,

so, like, I've talked
to someone who...

goes by Lennie,
and...

yeah.

- The next thing we did--

we searched the number
you have...

- Yeah.
- On a couple sites.

And it came up registered
to a Nathan Brooman.

- Yeah, he's never

mentioned that name before.

- Just to be safe,
we usually do it

on a few different websites,

'cause sometimes we get
different results.

And sure enough,
on the next website,

we got a Christina Brooman.

Have you ever heard of anyone--

has he ever talked about, like,
a friend or a cousin?

Interesting that she seems
to be an artist.

- Yeah.

- In the "About" section...
- Mm-hmm.

- The account has
a phone number listed,

and that's the same number

you have for Lennie.

- That's weird.

- So why is that
on Christina's page?

- That doesn't
make sense to me.

'Cause it was--
it's definitely a male

that I've been talking to.

Like, it's a very...

deep voice, you know?

[sighs]

I just don't understand why

it'd be her phone number
and her account.

[somber music]

That's just really strange.

I might be talking
to somebody else completely.

- ♪ You were the only safe
haven that I've known ♪

- That's just alarming.

Then I'm also, like,

concerned about
Chris's feelings.

Like, I don't want to just

go meet somebody
behind his back.

♪ ♪

I don't know.
I don't know what to...

think right now.

- ♪ World is crumbling ♪

♪ I should have never ♪

♪ Let you go ♪

- We could keep trying to
find out the answer,

or do we want to call
the number

and say, like, "This is what's
going on."

- This is what you know,

this is where you're at, yeah.

- So, if it's okay,

I'd like to just try
calling him.

- Okay, yeah.
- I'll leave you guys here.

- All right.

[tense music]

All right, here goes nothing.

[line ringing]

- The mailbox you are
calling is full.

[beeping]

- Well.

Guess that's not gonna happen.

[phone ringing]
Oh!

I was gonna say
I didn't get him, but...

I got him.

I'll be right back.

Hello?

- Yeah, hey.

This is Nev from
the show "Catfish."

- You're familiar
with the show, right?

- Okay, cool, so...

your friend Chelsea
reached out to us

for our assistance
in finally meeting you.

- Like, I get super nervous.

I was like,
I don't know what to...

think right now.

- There's no...

there's no rulebook

for how to deal with this.

I think it's okay to, like,

get mad if you want to get mad.

Just, like, give yourself
permission to feel.

- Yeah.
- Whatever you need to.

- That said, it sounds like

you and Chelsea
have talked about

really serious things,
and being together, and...

starting, you know,
even families together.

So I'm just curious--

- Okay.

We've sort of proposed
the possibility

that you're not, and she

would want to meet you
no matter who you are.

- Okay, I--well, yeah. Uh...

That's great.

- Okay, cool.
Thanks, Lennie.

- Bye.

♪ ♪

All right. Okay.

Uh, I guess...

Good news?

- Okay.
- Uh...

His voice sounds very manly.

- Yeah.
- I mean, it's 100% a guy.

- Yeah.
- [giggling] Okay.

- First thing that sort of

jumped out was he...

was a little, sort of,
surprised that you

would go about meeting him
this way.

- Mm-hmm.

- So there was a little
hesitation there.

But did say that he does
want to meet you.

- Okay.

- Then he said,
"I'm not exactly

who she thinks I am."

It definitely was
a little concerning.

- Yeah.

- Anything's possible.

I mean, could be
this woman, Christina

got Nathan to help and talk
to you on the phone.

Maybe that was actually Nathan.

Prepare yourself for anything.

♪ ♪

Where are you at
with all this now?

- I--I don't really
know how to...

I don't know how
to think about it.

I'm really excited
to meet him, but, um...

I just need answers.

Then I'm also

concerned about
Chris's feelings.

And, um...

how that's gonna affect that,
'cause, I mean...

that's something
that is already

real, you know?

- I think, like,
also remember, like,

this is for you.

And I think after tomorrow

I think that you'll probably be

able to make a little bit
more informed...

- Yeah.
- Choices.

- Right.

- We'll talk to you
in the morning.

- Okay, sounds good.

- Cool.

- All right.

- See ya.
- See you tomorrow.

- See ya.

♪ ♪

- Well, I gotta say,
I was thrown

by that phone call.

- He alluded to something
being funky.

- Yes.

So not sure what that means.

But no matter what, though,

if it is him,

he still has
a lot to answer for.

- Whether he ends up to be him

or ends up to be someone
totally different,

is gonna create an
unbelievably difficult

decision for her.

"Am I gonna end this
relationship

with this real guy?"

- No matter what
happens tomorrow,

she's walking into
the lions' den.

- Let's head on in.

- Good morning!
- Hi!

- Hi!

- How are you?
- Good!

- Let's sit down
and take a load off.

I have not heard
directly from Lennie,

so I think we need to just
check in with him.

I'll text him.
- Okay.

Sounds good.

- All right.

Thanks.

All right.
Let's see what happens.

[phone chirps]

Oh, wow.

He said, "Kay,
where will you guys be?"

"There is a really nice park
near here."

♪ ♪

Oh.

Okay, he said "Okay.

See you in 20 minutes."

- How you doing?

- Good. Nervous.

But I'm, like, concerned
about Chris's feelings.

To be honest, like--
it's just like,

I care about him.
Like, he's a real person.

And I was thinking,
you know, like,

just out of respect for him,

like, I can't meet Lennie
without telling him first.

So I'm just--
I'm very nervous.

I don't know how to, like,
explain it to him.

So...

- I mean, I think...

Are you more comfortable

if we're, like,
here supporting?

Or do you want to do it solo?

- If you want to stay,
you know, like...

- Okay.

You want to go away,
babysitter?

No.
[giggling]

- Uh, loud and clear.

- I'm happy to use
the bathroom for a minute.

- I'm here.
- [giggling]

[phone dialing]

- Hey.

- You know I'm in LA right now.

- You know I care
about you a lot,

and I respect you
a whole bunches.

Um...

I've been talking
to someone, um...

and this is something
that has been going on for...

you know, well over a year.
Um...

I've never met them.
And so I was...

Sorry. So I was given an
opportunity to go meet them.

- Um, yeah.

Um, but before

I do that, um...

I wanted to call you
and let you know

about this, because I...

feel that you're
an amazing person,

and had I met you a year ago,

I wouldn't be here right now.

- Yeah, it's been...
It's been over a year.

- [giggling]

I won't.
I won't get murdered.

You're amazing.

- All right. I'll talk to you
a little bit later.

Um, I'll see you.

- You're amazing. Bye.

- Oh, my God.
- He's so cute.

See, now, like...

Now I'm just like...
- That's like--

He's like, the best.

- I know.

- Oh, my God, that's, like,
the best-case scenario.

Like, I'm overwhelmed.

both: Hi.

- Hey.
- He's so good!

- It went well?
- He's so good.

- Great, all right.

Can I get back on the show?

- Yeah, hop on in.

- Well, all I heard was--

was general sort of vibe
coming from here,

which felt good.

- He's the most amazing person.

- You're at a very definitive
moment in your life.

If it's him,

would you really, seriously,

give it a go with this guy

versus going home
and making something

more serious with Chris?

- Right now it's just,

I--I still am,

honestly, like, finding out
what I want.

I have to meet him, you know?
- Of course.

- I'll have more of
a clear head, I feel.

It's like two different
lives, you know,

that I'm choosing from.
- Exactly.

And the truth is, like,

there's no wrong answer.

- Right.

- Well, hopefully
this is the opportunity

to clear things up.
- Mm-hmm.

- All right, let's go.
- Cool.

- Load up.

- If it's him, like,

what do you think, like,
one of the first

things you would want to say?

- I think that I just

really want to give him
the platform to speak

and see what his explanation
is for everything.

We're here now,
so you better have

something to say.

- Yeah. One way or another,

you're about to get
some answers.

- There it is.

There's actually
a lot of people here,

which is sort of...

It could be any
of these people.

Okay.

[suspenseful music]

- I don't know
what to think right now.

- [sighs]

Do a little wiggle, right?

- Little...
- Just do a little wiggle.

- All right, well.

He should be here pretty soon.

- Is this a Lyft?

- Yeah. Uh-oh.

Although I don't think
there's anyone in there.

Is there?

- Oh.
- Eh...

Are they stopping or not?

Oh, they're just parking.

False alarm.

- Mm.

There is definitely someone

in the car that...
- Sitting there.

♪ ♪

- All right, oh.

- That's some bull[bleep].

- Is this a Lyft?

- Are they stopping?

[dramatic music]

Oh.

Wait. Is that him?

- Yeah.
- That's some bull[bleep].

[tense music]

- Hey, Chelsea.

♪ ♪

[gentle music]

I'm real.

♪ ♪

- Hey. Nev.

- Lennie.
- Tallulah.

- Hi.

- Uh, well, welcome.

We're all a little surprised.
- Yeah.

- Why?

- I think there were
some things...

- Yeah.
- That might have seemed like

maybe it wasn't gonna be you
coming out of the car.

- Like what?

- You never FaceTimed.

- Yeah, I mean...

Just kinda hard
with my schedule.

You know, I have like, uh,

you know, two different jobs,and...

- I know,
but a five-minute FaceTime.

- Yeah.

- I think you're communicating

something more...

- Right.
- By not doing it,

than just by,
"Okay, hey, what's up?

I'm a real person."

- I guess, yeah.

- I have a busy schedule too;
like, I do,

like, two jobs
plus my apprenticeship.

- Yeah.
- Um...

You made a sort of allusion

to there being something
you were concerned,

or maybe like, insecure
or uncertain about.

Is there something that
Chelsea doesn't know?

♪ ♪

- No, it's just...

I mean, she has seen me
on TV, you know.

Like, she has that
understanding of me.

- Yeah, but...

Like, I never...like, had this

idea of you, or that you had to

meet this expectation
or anything.

- I'm just kinda
concerned with, uh,

you know, like, how you
picture me in your head

versus...versus reality.

- Yeah.

- We talked
to your friend Pierce.

He said you might have
someone else

administrating your
Facebook page?

- Kinda had somebody that was

in control of that whenever
I was on the TV show, so.

- This someone is still
actively administrating?

- Yeah.

- Like, that never even

crossed my mind.

Like, it's just kind of...

- 'Cause obviously if you're
giving them your login,

it's, you know, kind of...
- They would see our messages.

- Yeah.
- Yeah.

- Yeah.

- Is there kinda some...

- I mean, you know...
- Rules with that?

- Yeah, they're not supposed
to, like, snoop too much.

- Okay,
but we also asked Pierce

if the number Chelsea had
is the same number he had,

and he said no.
- Yeah, he might have

my older one.

- So you gave him
a really old number

that you don't use anymore?

- I have a work phone.
Work phone.

- Okay.
We found some weird names

associated with
your phone number.

Brooman?

- Oh, that's my, uh, sister

and my brother-in-law.

- Your sister's Facebook page

has your phone number on it.

- That's weird.
I didn't know that.

We have a family plan together.

So...
- Right, but...

Yeah, still a little weird.

I mean, it's almost crazier
that it's you

and that there was all this
"mystery" around you

not FaceTiming, and that...
could have been easily...

- Explained by a few...

- Yeah.
- Things.

Maybe that could have been

communicated to her.

♪ ♪

- Okay.
That just brings me to, like,

the big question for us.

Where are you with your
feelings towards Chelsea?

You guys have obviously
talked about

being together and maybe
starting a family, and...

- Like, moving to Utah and...

having kids
and getting married.

- Those are some big words.

- Like, I've never
said that to somebody.

Like, it's just kind of...

that's--that's major,
you know?

You don't just
say those things.

- I mean...

You know, it's kind of like

a long-distance thing.

Flights are kind of expensive.

I wanted to save up.

That's kind of what
I'm doing right now.

I'm working, like, two jobs,

you know, so I could
possibly see her.

- But you knew plane tickets
were expensive

when you said
"I want to come see you."

Like...I can't tell if you
really want to make it work

or if you kinda like
that it can't work

and it's sort of nice
that it's far enough away

that, like, you can have it

but not have to do too much.

- If it were possible for us

to have a relationship,

like, I would totally be down.

It's just, you know,
the struggle of,

you know, living so far away
from each other.

- But I think you're jumping
to the end of the game.

Like, why didn't you
ever draw her back?

- Oh, yeah.
- You know?

She did one for you.
- Yeah.

- Well, I actually made one

about six months ago for her.

But I brought my wrong
notebook today.

♪ ♪

- Cool.

♪ ♪

- Why don't we just take
two seconds

just to check in?

We can chat a little bit.
- We can, yeah.

- You guys can chat
a little bit.

- It's all a bit of this,

"I wanted to but I didn't."

You know?
- Yeah.

- Seems like she's upset.

- Yeah.

- ♪ Really how it ends? ♪

- I think that even
if there were obstacles,

that's a bull[bleep] excuse.

- Yeah. I'm here, he's here.

- He needs to be
showing up here wowing you.

- Yeah, he has to talk, please.

Like, say something.

- ♪ If this is really
how it ends ♪

♪ ♪

- Chelsea really felt like,

"Whoa, this could
be a real relationship."

- I'm not, like,
leading her on or anything.

- Okay.
- You know?

If that's what you're implying.

I feel pretty strongly
for her, it's just...

I didn't know if, you know,
we would ever

actually get to meet.

- Obviously he's into you,

but that's not enough.
- No.

- You know what I mean?

He needs to be
showing up here wowing you.

- Yeah.

- My mom told me this once.

If you turn the volume down,

like, what's there?

- Like, actions. Yeah.
- Yeah.

- Actions speak louder
than words.

- She's been sort of
pumping the brakes

with this other guy

that she's been--that
she just started seeing

because she's not sure
where things are with you.

- Didn't realize that.

- Yeah.

[tense music]

If you really want
to make this work,

let her know.

♪ ♪

Why don't we walk over there

and you guys can chat?

- Okay.

- I think the move here

is to let you guys talk
without us.

It'd be good for you guys
to at least sort of know

where you are
with each other.

Take some time.

We'll see you guys
in a little bit.

♪ ♪

- This is pretty weird,

but I'm glad that I can
actually meet you.

- We're here.

I'm real.

What do you want?

- I mean, I would, you know...

I would like a relationship.

- Well, you'd like one,
but, like,

you've said that before.

- Going about...

you know, figuring out
how to do that,

that's the tough part.

[gentle music]

- That's--that's just not
an answer, though, you know?

Like...

[tense music]

♪ ♪

I don't feel like you
ever really

had the intention of...

having anything serious.

You just liked the idea.

And I...think
I liked the idea too.

But like, that's it.

I want to leave today
and move on with my life.

We'll be friends.

- Okay.

- But we'll have a fun
hangout day or something.

- You want to go get
tattoos with me?

- I don't want one,
but I'll hold your hand.

- ♪ Let you off the hook ♪

♪ Back when you were young ♪

- This is your first tattoo?
- Yeah.

[upbeat music]

- An interesting one.

- Oh, yeah, it's real weird.

- It's real weird.
- Real weird.

- ♪ Get away with everything
you've done ♪

- [giggling]
- Your--this is your first tat?

- Yeah.

- Wow.

- So good.

- Yeah.
- All right, well, then,

we'll say our goodbye to you.

- Cool.
- Good to meet you, man.

What's the story?

- I'm excited to, like,

be able to just move on

and just be friends, you know?
- Yeah.

- I feel good about it.

- And now you can go back
with a really clean...

- Clear mind.
- Clear mind.

And you get to explore, like,

Utah Chris.
- Yeah.

- I'm excited to focus on that.

Whatever happens there.

- Awesome.

Yeah, thank you
for coming on this

weird journey with me.

I'm gonna miss you guys.

- Aw.

- Aw!
- I'm gonna miss you.

See ya!
- All right, bye, Chelsea.

- ♪ Let you off the hook ♪

♪ Like when you were young ♪

- She seemed happy.
And...

that's the best
we can hope for.

Nicely done.

- Heh-heh!
[laughs]

[line ringing]

- Oh, hey.

- Hey!
- Hi!

- What's up?
- Gonna need, like,

a full play-by-play.

Are you seeing Utah Chris?

- I don't know why,
but it just, like, died down

as soon as I kinda got back
from Los Angeles.

- I'm so sorry. God.

- But...

I've been talking to Lennie

pretty much every single day.

- Really?

- Yeah, it's, like, crazy,

'cause, like, everything's
so different.

- Wow.
- Wow.

- Just kinda seemed
like that wasn't

where you felt with
kinda that direction.

- Yeah,
but he definitely, like,

reflected on everything,
and then

he started, you know,
actual, like, attempts

at making things work.

He really expressed
himself emotionally

and is taking things
more seriously.

- Wow, I did not
see that coming.

- So is he your boyfriend?

- Um, yes.

- Oh.
- [squeals] Okay!

It just makes me really happy
to know that

everything worked out
for the best.

- Yeah.
- Yeah.

- [laughing] Bye!
- Bye.

[line ringing]

both: Hey!

- We just spoke to Chelsea,
and we're shocked.

- Yeah, I'm actually planning
on going up to see her

about probably within
the next month.

- Did something change for you

after seeing her in person
and, like, meeting her?

- It was such a strange,
you know,

situation to be in.

I don't know.

I feel like I didn't express

how much I cared about her.

You know, and I was kind of
a little shy.

You know, and now I'm actually

trying to put forth
the effort into

actually creating
a relationship with her, so...

- But you turned it around.

- Yeah.
- Miracles happen.

I mean, look at this
happy ending.

- You know, she's incredible.

Oh, I have her picture

that I did of her.
- Look at you.

- Show you guys...
- Oh, wow.

- Oh, my God.
- Yeah, no.

- That's beautiful.
- You can totally see it.

We're so happy that things
worked out with you guys.

So best of luck.

- Thank you for letting me
be a part of this.

- Thank you.
- All right, buddy.

Go get 'em.
- Yep.

All right.
- [laughing] Bye.

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