Catfish: The TV Show (2012–…): Season 7, Episode 20 - Rachael & Vance - full transcript

- Rachael met Vance online

11 years ago.

- His looks are just extra.

I'm in love with him.

- Whoa.

This guy's got a long
arrest record.

It's possible that
he may have been

communicating with you
from prison.

- What?

- Whoa.

- No.



No, no, no, no, no.

Oh, my God.

[dramatic musical sting]

- What's up, everybody?

We're back and this week

we have a very special co-host,

someone I'm very excited about.

And here she is,
Kamie Crawford.

- Hey, guys.

- Kamie really is all that.

Being crowned Miss Teen USA

was just the first step

in her unique journey
to awesomeness.

Modeling in a world that deems



anyone over a size 4
as plus-sized,

Kamie has been
a fashion disrupter.

She's the designer of her own
lifestyle brand,

a journalist, a beauty guru,

and this week I am thrilled

to have her here.

Welcome to the show.

- Thank you.
I'm a huge fan.

- What's your favorite episode?

- "You should have never
called me

a fat ass Kelly Price!"

- Should of never called me

a fat ass Kelly Price!

- [laughing] That's
my favorite.

- Yeah, Antwane and Carmen.

- Yes, and you couldn't
find Tony.

And you guys were out
in the cold.

That would have pissed me off.
- That was cold.

- I would have been so mad.

- Let's sit down.
Find out what's going on.

- God, I'm so excited.

I can't believe
it's actually happening.

I've been thinking
about it all night.

Just so you know.

I like, couldn't get to sleep.

- Aren't you tired?

- That's what
concealer's for.

- [laughing]

This is good, we're getting
to know each other.

Now comes a very
important part of the episode

where I bestow upon you...

- Oh.
- The responsibility

of the Max cam.

Basically, film me.

- Yeah.

- From the best angle.

All right.
Here we go.

We got an email here

from Samantha.

"Hi Nev and Kamie.

"I'm Samantha, I'm 19 years old

"and I'm from Iowa City, Iowa.

"I'm writing to tell you
about my sister, Rachael

And her mysterious MySpace
lover, Vance..."

- ♪ I've been spending ♪

- "From North Carolina."

- ♪ My attention on you ♪

- "Rachael is 23 years old

but met Vance online
when she was 12."

- ♪ I don't wait long ♪

- "He made my sister so happy

"And to this day has
brought out a side of her

that no other man has."

- Has she had another man?

She's been dating him
since she was 12.

- Well, she's 23.

Well, we don't know
that they've been dating.

- Okay.
- "The thing about Vance

"and Rachael's relationship

"Is that it has never gone

further than phone calls."

- Dun dun dun.

- "She asks to video chat,

"Vance goes from being
Mr. Wonderful

to the king of excuses."

- ♪ When you gonna
take me out? ♪

- "Rachael has also tried

"to meet him face-to-face
multiple times,

"but after making plans

there's always a sudden reason
he can't."

- ♪ So much talking ♪

♪ Swear that's all
you ever do ♪

- "Nothing about Vance adds up.

"And if he loves my sister
as much as he claims to,

why won't he meet her?"

- I'm asking
the same thing, girl.

- ♪ I know that you
would want it ♪

- "Rachael said
it was okay for me

to write in to you
after all these years."

- ♪ If I could sink my teeth
into you ♪

- "Rachael needs to decide
"if she's going to open

"a new chapter of her life
with him

or close the book completely."

- ♪ First you gotta
ask me out ♪

- "Please help my sister.
Thank you."

- Mm.
No.

- Wow. All right, so you're,
you're coming...

- No.
- Out of the gate

with a "No."

- It's a no for me, dawg.

- It's a no for you.
- No.

- Clearly something's up.

Here we go. Rachael.

[dialing]

- [gasps]

- Hey.
- Hi.

- Hi, Rachael.
How you doing?

- Good, how are you?

- Great.
- I love your hoops.

- Thank you.
[giggling]

- I want to introduce you
to Kamie.

She is helping me out
this episode.

- I'm excited.

- So your little sister...
- Yes.

- Wrote into us
on your behalf.

- You have to be
really close, obviously.

- Oh, yeah.
We actually live together.

And we're, like, inseparable.

If I can't speak up,

she's the person that's

gonna speak up for me.

- I have five sisters,
so I'm with you.

Can't beat that sisterly bond.

- So tell us how you
met Vance on MySpace

and sort of how this whole

situation has developed

over the last decade.

- We were young teenagers.

MySpace was the thing
back then.

[chuckling]

And he had reached out to me.

The connection that we have,

he just takes me to, like,

a whole 'nother place.

Like, when I talk to him

I can just feel like

I'm not being judged, and

just have a conversation
with someone.

Like, it was literally,

I would go to sleep

on the phone with him

and I would wake up

on the phone with him.

- I just remember having
a crush like that.

Oh, it was such a magical time.

- I've...yeah.

- Was it immediate
kind of crush,

"Oh, my--this boy's so cute."

- Well, of course.
It was MySpace

and his profile picture
was him

like, shirtless,

with, like, his abs out
and everything.

- At 12?
- Mm-hmm.

- See, none of the boys
I was talking to

at 12 or 13 had abs.

Let me tell you.
- Right.

- All right, so anyways, so
in the last 11 years

were you guys, like, together,

or sort of dating?

- To me that wasn't, like,
a logical

expectation,

because he's in North Carolina

and I'm in Iowa.

Like, especially, like,
we're teenagers.

I talked to other people

and I had relationships

just like he did.

But he's single right now,

I'm single right now, like,
there should be

no excuse at this point.

- And has he ever been,
like, serious,

where he's like, "Let's try
to make this work?"

- He's said that
multiple times.

We've talked about

us trying to build a life
together.

But we're both adults.

Why hasn't it happened yet?

- You've been talking
on the phone

pretty much the whole time
you've known each other.

- Yeah, but he changes
his number.

Sometimes he'll go ghost

and I won't talk to him
for a while

and all of the sudden

he'll call me off
a new number.

- Weird, why has he had

so many phone numbers?

- I have no idea.

But the last six months

like, I don't even talk to him
on a phone.

Like, it's strictly
Facebook messaging.

- But Facebook has, like,
you can call and...

video message, can't you?
- Call, right.

There's always an excuse.

He always says,

"I don't have a good enough
Wi-Fi connection"

or "My camera on my phone
is broke."

Like, we've tried to meet.

We've made plans.

Like, I've even offered, like,

to buy a plane ticket

for him to come here

and then he made up
an excuse of, like,

"Oh, I don't have an ID."

- But doesn't it concern you

that if he is who he is

that he can't get
his act together?

What's up with this dude?

- That's the big concern.

I don't want another child

to take care of.

- Do you have a child?

- I have three.

- Oh. Hey, girl.

- Yeah. [laughing]
- Yes. Girl.

- So you have three children.

- I do.
- How old are they?

- I have an eight-year-old.

My son will be four
in November.

And then I have
a five-week-old.

- What!

- Rachael.

- [laughing]
- Wait, and so, okay,

I guess it didn't
work out with...

the guys.

- Yeah, no.

- Wow, so you've got
your hands full.

- I do, and that's when
I say, like,

I don't want to have to

take care of another child.

Like, I don't.

Like, you're not gonna
be able to just

come sit on my couch.

That's not gonna happen.

- Does Vance know you have
three kids?

- Yes.

- Do you think that

the relationship with

your babies' fathers

so far hasn't worked

because you want it
to work with Vance?

- I definitely think so.

- Whoa.

- I love him. I, honest--like,

I honestly love him

and I care about him a lot.

- All right, well,

we are gonna hit the road.

- We got you.

Don't worry.

- Yay! I'm so excited.

- All right, Rachael.
See you soon.

- Bye.

- Bye.
- Bye.

- All right.

- Are you on board
with me now?

- Well, Vance
is hiding something.

- Yeah. I wonder
if it's just, like,

he doesn't like
the way that he looks,

or if it's like...

he's just not who
he says he is...

- Let's go find out.

- We're going to Iowa.

I feel like Dora the Explorer.

- ♪ Generation L ♪

♪ ♪

♪ Lost and low ♪

- Well. We made it

to Iowa City, Iowa.

- Yay.

- I don't know, there's just
something so...

perfectly American about Iowa.

- It's like, very homegrown.

- Yeah.

This little street
right here.

- Whoo.

- Let's do it.

- Look at you.

Got the diapers,
got the wipes.

You are ready to go.

[doorbell rings]

both: Hi!
- Hey!

Wait a second.

- I'm Samantha.

I called in to the show.

- Samantha! Oh!
- Yes.

- What's up, ladies?
- Nice to meet you.

- Hi.
- Hi.

We brought you some supplies.

- Oh, my gosh.

Nice to meet you.
- Nice to meet you.

- Got some diapers
and some wipes.

- Oh, my goodness.
- Just a little gift.

- Thank you guys.
- Yeah.

- You guys want some tea
or anything?

- Yeah, sure,
that would be great.

- I'm a big fan of "Catfish."

A lot of people look up
to your show.

- Oh, that's nice to hear.

- That's why she wrote in...

- Yeah, that's why
you trusted us

with your sister's love life.

- Little sister helping
the big sister, you know.

- I know, what would she do
without you?

- I have no idea.
- Nothing.

- Oh. [laughing]

- I'm just, like...
I'm playing.

- Well, let's take
our tea and, uh,

sit down.

To go get the kids.

- You're gonna go? Oh.
- Well, it was nice

meeting you.
- Nice meeting you.

- Thanks for writing us.
- I know, it's really--

- Hope we can figure this
all out.

- Thank you.
- Let's hope.

- I got you.

- Bye, guys.
- Bye.

- Let's sit down.

So. When you met Vance,

you were 12 years old.

What was going on in your life?

- I don't know how
to explain it. Um...

Um, I actually went through...

Um, I was sexually assaulted.

From, like, nine to ten.

And I shut down
for a long time.

And just excluded everybody.

And that's kind of where
Vance comes into play.

He came in at a time where

I was going through
some deep things.

And he was just there.

- I can imagine why
having somebody far away

who doesn't know anything
about all of that...

- Right.

- Would be really nice.
- Yeah.

- It's like a relief.
- Yeah.

- It was an escape
from reality.

- Right. Exactly.

It took me away from everything

that was going on.

- So over the 11 years

you guys have been talking

obviously there have been

ups and downs.
- Mm-hmm.

- But have you always
sort of maintained a--

some sort of communication?

Or is it just sort of like

you won't hear from each other
for a few months.

- There's always been, like,

communication there,
but there's been, like,

dips where it's
a couple months.

And then he'll pop back up.

It's been really heavy
the last six months.

But the last week and a half

he's been acting super,
super weird.

Like, I would send him
a text message

and he would read it,

and then a couple hours later

he sent my sister memes.

And I was like, "So..."

You can send my sister memes,

but you can't talk to me?

- Is it possible that
your sister and Vance

have something going on?

- No, she wouldn't.
I can trust her.

Like, I wasn't jealous.
- Is he mad at you?

Did you get into, like,
an argument?

Is he just a bad texter?

Does he send you pics?

- He's never sent me pictures.

- He's never sent you
a picture?

- That's what I'm saying,

all the pictures I see
is on Facebook.

- Right. Right.
- Or that was on MySpace.

- Not even a dick pic
real quick?

'Cause they always send those.

- No. [laughing]

- Little bit hard
to make a case

that a 24 or 25 year old guy

with a hot bod...

- Wouldn't show it off.
- Doesn't have

photos of himself
to send to you.

- Right.

- All right, so what about
your parents?

Do they know about Vance?

- Well, my mom, like,

had him on Facebook.

I'm not sure if she has him

on there anymore

'cause he switched,

um, Facebook accounts.

But, like, my mom would
talk to him.

- You said
he switched Facebooks.

How many times
has he done that?

- Um, like two or three times.

- Was there an explanation
for why he

changed, like,
made a new profile?

- Mm-mm.

No.

- All right.
I gotta see this guy.

- Yeah.
- All right, can we--

can you bring up
a photo of him?

All right. So
here's his pic.

- Okay.
He's cute.

- He definitely is
more of, like,

a regular-looking guy

than I thought he was gonna be.

Seems like a bro.
- [chuckling]

- [giggling] She's so in love.
- Which is cool.

You love him.
You think he's so hot.

- I do.
- Oh, my God.

- She does. Look at her face.
- He's so hot.

- I'm super red right now.

I can feel it.

[laughing]

- I mean...
- He's cute.

- Like, his looks
are just extra, I guess.

Like...
- Right.

- I'm in love with him.

As, like, a person,

not just his looks.

Like, just how
we can communicate

and how we talk.

- I mean, that's enough for me.

- Yeah.
[both laughing]

- All right, well,

send us an email

with anything you can think of

and we'll put an end to this

decade-long mystery.

- Yes.

- All right, let's do it.

- Thank you.

- Bye, girl.
- Bye.

- She was so sweet.

- Yeah, I like her a lot.
- She's so in love.

- Yeah, she really
has a big crush on this guy.

- My mind would be
so preoccupied.

I'd be like, "I'm changing
a diaper right now.

I don't have time
to Facebook message you."

- I don't know.

She's in pretty deep.
- For sure.

If this guy isn't real,

it's gonna destroy her.

[upbeat music]

- So let's start this
investigation.

- It's research time.

- Okay.

Rachael is on the
emotional rollercoaster

that's been her life.

She met Vance online
when she was 12.

Says she's in love.

But she's concerned

because there's been
so much drama

and so many excuses

throughout this relationship.

So first we need to figure out

if "Vance," or at least the guy

she thinks is Vance
is really him.

- After 12 years, please?

It's time.
- All right.

Let's see if we can crack
this case.

All right. "Hey, Nev and Kamie,
"Here's what I remember.

So "Vance lived in Coats,
North Carolina,

"But now says he's in Raleigh.

"I think he also
lived somewhere

in Florida for a bit."

All right, well, that's
the indication

that he's a catfish.

If they've ever even
been to Florida,

you know they're a catfish.

People--catfish love Florida.

- [laughs]
- Okay, so here's his Facebook.

"I put some of his pictures
on here

"and they're about the same

as the ones on his Facebook."

All right, so we've got that.

So I think we just,

for the heck of it,

run the photos.

- Mm-hmm.

- See if any of them come up.

- I'm nervous.

- Nope. No hit.

Try this next picture.

Just need one hit.

Kay, no.

I feel like this one
would show up.

This is, like,
the black and white one.

Nothing.
- Nothing.

- All right, so this
is his Facebook page.

All right, so let's just see
who his friends are.

I would say these people look

pretty real.

Relatively balanced.
- Yeah.

- What about "About?"
Is there anything in here?

- "No workplaces to show."

No surprise.

- He has family members listed.

Sarah [bleep].

Same last name.

Lives in...
both: Raleigh.

- Mm.

- This feels real.

There's another [bleep].

She's got one cover photo.

Everything is private.

But we're putting together
the family here.

I mean, this feels right.

It's got family listed,
it all links up.

What else do we have?

All right, so let's just search

"Vance [bleep],

North..."

All right. Vance [bleep].

What is this?

Whoa.

This is insane.
- Oh, my God.

- This guy's got five

possible criminal records.

- Wow.
- Wow.

- One in Florida.

- Where?

- Bottom. Sumter County.

- What?
- Combs.

Somebody named Combs

was on his Facebook.

I saw the last name Combs.

- So wait. Let's go back
to his page.

- Yes.

- Go to his friends.

And do a "Combs" search.

- Boom.

- Ooh.

- I told you I'm the FBI.

- Wow.

This is our guy.

So there is a Vance [bleep]

in North Carolina.
- Mm-hmm.

- Who has a criminal record.

Five different charges

from 2012, 13, 14, and 17.

- But if he's in jail
how is he doing this?

- You know in jail now

they've, like, upgraded
the system.

You can talk on Facebook.

- You can?
- Yeah.

You can post on Facebook.

Now search
"Vance [bleep] mug shot"

and see if that [bleep]comes up

'cause I have a feeling
it might.

[dramatic musical flair]

Yes!
- Wow.

- I knew it!

I knew it.
- Wow.

- I knew it.

- You nailed it.

There he is.

- Oh, my God.
- Wow.

He's a criminal.

- For six months

she hasn't been able
to talk to him

on the phone.

Why is that?
- Yeah.

- Because six months ago

his ass got locked up.

- Unless this Vance guy

is not who Rachael's
talking to.

Remember, she said
Vance changed profiles.

Maybe Rachael's not even
talking to this guy.

- No, no, no.
I think this is

who Rachael's talking to.

I think he's real.

He's really talking to her
from prison.

And for a woman with three kids

it's important for her to know.
- Right.

- She could be dealing with
someone really dangerous.

- Hello?
- Rachael.

We found some things

that we want to talk
to you about.

Maybe we should meet back up.

- Yeah, we can meet up

at my mom's house.

- Great. We'll see you soon.

- How do you think

Rachael's gonna take the news?

- Honestly, with kids,

this is the worst case
scenario for her.

- Yeah.

- This is it.

- Time to go break some hearts.

- Hi.
- Hi.

We can go back here.

- Go back?
- Yep.

- Have you heard from Vance
at all?

- No.
- Okay, so

let's just show you what
we found.

- Okay.
- And take it from there.

All right.

- Oh, my goodness.

- Okay. So here's
where we started.

With your email, which had

not a lot.

We searched all the pictures

and we got nothing.

- Which is a good sign.

- Yeah.
- For the most part.

- Yeah.

So then we Googled

"Vance [bleep],
North Carolina."

And the first hit

is a public records site.

Five possible criminal records.

- What?

- Once of which
was in Florida.

- Where he used to live.

- Right.

- Has he ever mentioned
any run-ins with the law?

Never?
- No.

- So then we figured okay,

if this is him
and he's got this

mysterious criminal background,

we just figured,
let's do a search

just to confirm
it's actually him

and see what comes up.

So we did.

And there's a photo.

- Oh, my God.

- It's basically a mugshot.

- Oh, my God.

- It's him.
It is Vance.

- He has been arrested
at least five times.

[soft music]

♪ ♪

- It would explain
the disappearing acts

that keep on happening.

I mean, you said the last time

you talked to him on the phone

was six months ago, about?

That, that would definitely

tie back in.

You know, you're a mom

and you have three kids
to think about.

- Right.

- Like, do you want
somebody like this...

- That's top priority.

- In their lives?

Or in your life?

- It's so scary, though.

It, it still...

There's no...

I mean, it's still scary.

- ♪ I'll choose to remember ♪

♪ You this way ♪

- Well, I don't know
a lot about...

if he was or is in prison,
what it's like,

but I think I understand

you can access the internet.

- You can use Facebook.

- So it's possible
that he may have

been communicating with you
from prison.

- ♪ Summer came and wasted
all away ♪

- I don't even know
what to say right now, like...

[sniffling]

But I don't know,
I don't know, I...

[crying]

- [crying]

I can't.

[crying]

[soft music]

♪ ♪

- Hey.

Give me a hug.

- He knows everything...

- You've given him more
than enough opportunities

to be honest with you.

But I mean, maybe he thought

that if you knew,

you wouldn't want to talk
to him anymore.

- I have three kids

with three different people,

you know what I'm saying?

So I can't judge someone off of

what they had to go through

to learn how to get
through life.

- Yeah.

- But why lie about it?

- The same way you were saying

he was your escape.

- Right.
- From reality.

- Right, I could have been
that for him.

- Yeah.

- Right.
- Not that it's right.

At all.
- Right.

- But if he is being

thrown into the system

over and over and over again,

I'm sure he's looking
for an out.

You know?

At least you know.

- Right.

- And let's figure it out.

- Let's do it.

- You can do it, girl.
You're strong.

You're a mom of three.
- [sighs]

- You got this.
- [chuckling]

- Now we need to decide

based on how you're feeling

what you wanna do.

- It's past backing out
at this point.

Like, I want to know why.

And if that's really him...
- Right.

- Then, like, I need to know.

And I think he deservesa chance

to give explanations
and to give answers

before I'm like, "No."

- Right.
- Yeah.

- I imagine it'd be
difficult for you

to leave town

with everything you've got
going on here.

- Right.
- So

it'd probably be easier
to bring him here.

- Yeah.

- Assuming he's not

currently incarcerated.

- Right.
- Right.

We can message him together
from my account

and just say "We're here,

"We don't know what's going on.

We'd love you to explain it."

- Sounds like a plan.

- All right, so let's go back
to his page.

"Hey Vance, this is Nev
from the TV show "Catfish,"

"I'm here in Iowa
with your friend Rachael

"Making an episode.

"We would love to give
you guys an opportunity

"To finally meet each other
and talk

"After all these years.

"Please get back to me
when you can. Thanks, Nev.

- What are you thinking?

- I don't...

I don't know.

Like, I'm just, like,

lost for words right now.

Like, is he gonna disappear?

[video chat ringing]

What?

- Is he calling?

- He's calling you
on Facebook.

- Hello?

- Yeah, hey.

What's up, Vance?
How you doing?

- Very for real.

In fact, happy to turn on

my camera if that would help

prove that for you.

- All right.

- She is.

- Hi, Vance.

- We're here to make--

to do whatever we have to

to make it as easy as possible

for you and Rachael to finally

meet each other.

You know, if we can make
the arrangements

for you to get here,
are you down to do that?

- Right, well, I understand.

We can make
all the arrangements.

We'll pay for the ticket.

- [no audible dialogue]

- I don't like this plan.

I mean, look, I want
to make this happen

and I want you guys
to meet each other,

but it just feels weird that

this would be the way to do it.

It just...

It seems a little shady

to be perfectly honest
with you.

- Yep.

- Fine.
- All right.

- All right, so look.

I'll have one of our producers

message you.

You can give us
the information on--

with Caesar's name,

and how much money you'll need,

and, and...

hopefully it'll all work out.

- We'll make it happen.

- Does that sound like
it works?

- Okay, do you

currently have a phone

you can be reached on?

'Cause I know you're
calling us...

- All right.

- That, that, that's weird.

I-I--it's just
super sketchy to me.

- That was him?

- Yeah, that's who I've--

that voice and everything.

But how he was acting,

I've never dealt with that.

- "Wire me money
and I'll get the ticket.

But don't worry,
I'll be there."

- "And don't wire it to me."

- "My friend."
- "Wire it to my friend."

- I don't even know.

- You all right?

- Yeah.

I'm just ready to...

get answers.

- In the meantime, I guess,

you know, just don't
let yourself

get too wound up.

All right.

- See you guys later.
- See ya.

- Bye.

- Oh, man.
- I don't know.

I mean, the guy went
from being, like,

unreliable and a little shady

to, like, potentially,

like, a hardened...
- Criminal.

- Con artist, scammer,
I don't know.

- She's--she was hurt at first.

- Yeah.
- And then she just got angry.

Hopefully he shows up.

You know what they say.

"Hell hath no fury."

[knocking on door]

- I got an update.

We got work...
- Oh.

- To do.

- Great. I didn't get
any sleep.

I just am too, like, anxious.

- Look at this message
that came in from Vance.

- "Thanks, Nev,

"I think the plane
will get me there at 11."

- Has anyone confirmed?

- We sent the money.

He got, he got--The money

we sent to Caesar [bleep]

was received.
- Okay.

- Maybe this Caesar guy

is really who she's talking to?

Aye, dio mio.

[phone ringing]

- Rachael.

- We sent him the money

and Vance texted me and said
he's coming.

All that's left for him to do

is just get on the plane.

All right.
- See you soon.

[knocking]

- Hey!
- Hi.

- Oh, look at you!

- Oof.
- Okay.

- Here we are. It's now...

10:15.

We're in the hour of arrival.

- I'm just super nervous.

The unknown is scary.

So it's like I don't know
how I'm gonna handle it.

Like, he's gonna have
to be honest.

- Yeah.
- And if he's not,

and if he's not able
to answer questions,

then there's no reason for us

to continue any type
of communication.

He just texted me.

He said "I'm here.

Just landed."

- All right.
I mean, look,

why don't you tell him
"Meet us at Turkey Creek Park."

- It's getting real.

- Yeah, right?
- Very.

- It's, like, a 20-minute
drive from here.

So we should...
- Head out.

- Let's do it.

- ♪ Be your bleeding heart ♪

[phone ringing]

- Sam.

- So me, Nev, and Kamie

are on our way to the park

to meet Vance.

- I mean, I don't know if

that's what you would call it.

I'm just trying to keep, like,
a level head.

Like, I don't want
to get myself excited

and then it not be him.

I don't want to freeze up.

- Well, we'll see.

- All right, love you too.

♪ ♪

- Almost there.
- No.

- I guess we'll just
find a spot.

♪ ♪

You got this.

If you can handle three kids

you can handle this.

- Oh, my God.

- ♪ Over me ♪

- [exhales deeply]

- All right, well.

- It's a waiting game now.

- So he should be here.

- This is not okay.

I have never been
this nervous in my life.

- Oh.

- [gasps] Who's that?

- This looks like a...

Uber-esque type car.

- Oh, my God.

No.

- Oh, whoa.

- No, no, no, no, no.

- No.

No, no, no, no, no.

Shut the [bleep] up.

Oh, my God.

- Hey.
- Hey, how's it going?

- Nev.
- Vance.

- Good to meet you.
- I'm Kamie.

- Very nice to meet you, Kamie.

- Nice to meet you too.

- Oh, wow.
- Uh...

We'll just let her
come out when she's ready.

Well, thanks for showing up.

- Uh, not a problem.

Said I'd make it happen.
- You did.

- We're happy you're here.
- Yeah.

I got so many questions, but
I wanted Rachael to hear

everything, so,
Whenever you're ready.

We're--we're waiting.

- Should I walk her over?

- Yeah, maybe.

[soft music]

- I'm, like, so stuck
right now.

I'm like, I can't even think.

- It's time to boss up.

Let's get it together.

You owe it to yourself.

You want to know.

You can do it.

- Oh, my God.

I feel sick to my stomach.

- Well, if you throw up
I'll catch it for ya.

- [breathing hard]

Oh, my God.

- All right.
Why don't you say hello?

- Rachael, Vance.
- Hey, Rachael.

- Oh, my God.

- What's going on?

This is real.

- He's here.

He came a long way.

It's been a long time.

- Wow.

- She's a little shook
right now.

- All right, well.

Why don't we discuss

the elephant in the room?

She sort of told us that

you'll kind of
stop talking,

and she won't hear from you
for a while,

and then you'll pop back up.

Um, is that because

you were in some sort
of detention center

or...?
- No. Not at all.

- We found what looks to be

an arrest record.

- Maybe if you could just

shed a little bit of light

on, you know,
what's been going on with you.

Just to give her some clarity
so she--so she knows.

- The arrest is just
what it is.

It only happened one time
and it was all dismissed, so.

- So you did not serve time?
- No.

- You haven't been
in jail or anything.

- I went to jail.
They held me overnight.

- Oh, well, that's--
- So the next morning

they released me.
- Right. Right.

- There were a few listed
from different years.

- In North Carolina mostly
and then once in Florida.

- That wasn't me.

I've never been arrested--
- So you've never been

arrested in Florida?
- No.

The only thing I ever
got in Florida

was a speeding ticket.

- Okay, so maybe
those other things

were just those speeding
tickets you mentioned.

Good to clear all this up.

So.
So you live in North Carolina.

- Yes.

- And what is it
that you mostly do

in terms of work
or school...?

- I mean, I kinda just

been living life
bouncing around, you know.

My parents
weren't there for me,

I kinda just been struggling.

I don't go to school,

but work, I just kinda do

like, cash jobs, you know?

You know, like...

Whatever comes my way.

Little gigs off of maybe

Craigslist or whatnot.

It hasn't been easy for me.

- At the moment you have
a place with friends, or...

- I'm actually staying
with a friend

as of right now.

- Okay.

And you're not hiding

some secret life, or...

- You don't have a girlfriend

or a wife or...

- Kids...
- No.

- Everything you've told her

this last...whole time

has been true.
- Yeah.

- Either your phones
have been broken,

or you haven't had a place,

or you've been in between work,

or you just haven't had money
to come visit.

That's all legit?

- That's all legit.

- But...

I mean, the funds were

never really an issue.

'Cause I've offered.

- You did on the funds,

but still wouldn't have bought,
like, the ID.

It's not that easy.

- But, I mean, you need
to have an ID.

- I don't have
a lot of things.

- What about the times
I tried to come out there?

- Did you come?

You can't blame me
for something

that you didn't do.

- Not like it's easy for me
just to pack up

and just come.

Like, I have to plan out
child care.

- But, like, you spoke that--

- He's saying that he felt like

you sort of would bring it up

but never really
follow through.

- It never went past,

"Oh, yeah, well,
I can come there."

And then it was never really

talked about again.

Okay, so that day

when I wrote you

and you literally read it

and did not say anything
back to me

Why could you just up and send

my sister Sam a message
like it was nothing?

- You're talking about the time
he texted Sam

but didn't get back
to you right away?

- Right. Which is fine,

like, I wasn't jealous,
it was more of

you weren't talking to me,
you weren't responding to me,

you were leaving
my messages unread

but you were writing her.

- Was that just one day?

- It's been a couple times.

- Time out.

This sort of sounds like

a bunch of stupid,
petty [bleep].

Okay, look.

Let's get back to the

strange, but still, I think,

lovely reality that, like,

you guys have been talking

for a really long time.

Since you were kids.

You've had your life.
He's had his.

They've been very complicated
in their own ways.

But now you're here finally.

Let's not let

this, little sort of details
totally ruin this.

- This is the moment
you both have been waiting for

for over a decade.

- It's not that I'm not happy
to see him.

I don't know what to say.

I don't, I don't know

how I'm feeling right now.

Like, it's just a lot.

- He's here.
- Right.

- And if there's no big, crazy,

messed up secret...

This is the guy you've been
talking to

for a long time

and he came here to see you.

It doesn't have to all be
happy butterflies and rainbows

but can, like, can there be
a little bit of relief?

I feel like

maybe we need to just,
like...

- Hug it out?

- All right. What do you
want me to do?

- Just stand in front of him.

And look at him.
He's here.

He, he's, he wants to
look at you,

you want to look at him.

Just look at each other

and acknowledge that, like,

wow, here we are.

- Come on, Rachael.

- I don't even want
a handshake.

- Never mind.
Give me a hug.

- Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

There we go.

- I'm here.

- Oh, I love love so much.

[giggling]

- I'm real.
- Oh, my God.

- You're real.

- Didn't that feel nice?

- This is great.

I would love to just

let you guys talk

without our...

awkward supervision.

I mean, you could even just

sit right here on a bench.

You guys have a lot
to talk about.

- Get to know each other.

In real life.

IRL, as they say online.

- IRL.

- Okay, well, let's sit down.

We're gonna go hang in the car.

- Holler if you need us.

- Yeah, we'll just be
right over there.

[thoughtful music]

- This is crazy.

On the phone it's different.

'Cause, like, I can
just talk to you.

- It's very different.

Very different.

It don't seem real, does it?
- No.

- Whoo.
- I mean...

- Wow.
It was weird.

- Is it usually that awkward?

- No.
Obviously she's very nervous.

- She was going through a lot

of emotions.
- Yeah.

And I think he is too.

I mean, I could see
he was shake--

he was trembling a little bit.

I think he was
definitely nervous.

- Yeah.

- But that's okay, I mean,
they'll...

they'll recover from that,
I think.

- I feel like I just, like,

dropped my daughter off
at her first date

and now I'm just, like...

trying to see what goes down.

- Um, what do you think?
- What do you mean?

- I came all the way out here.

I'm obviously interestedin you.

Are you excited,
are you happy--

- Well, yeah,
I've been excited.

It wasn't even that
I wasn't excited. I just--

- I didn't know, like...
- I keep things bottled up.

And, like, and it's weird--
- Well, un-bottle it.

Pop the top.
- [laughing]

- I get the sense that, like,
he's down.

- Yeah, he seemed open.
- I just think he's

a little too proud

to admit that, like,

he's broke.
- Yeah.

- He's struggling.

- Yeah.
- Sleeping on a friend's couch.

And bus tickets aren't cheap.
- Yeah.

- You know, that's probably

$250 or more, you know.

That's a lot of money for him.
- Yeah.

- What do you want to happen?

What do you think?

- I mean, I definitely

don't expect you to

just be like, "Oh, yeah,

Move in tomorrow."

Like, that's--it's
not realistic

like, for neither you or I.

But I think that we should

I mean, maybe plan...

[sighs]

like, a trip,

maybe me and the kids

and Sam or whatever.

- I mean, I'm open
to doing all that.

I care about you.
I love you.

- Yeah. I love you, too.

- Knock, knock.
- Hey, guys.

- Hello.

- Why don't we go

get a bite to eat?

Let you guys hang out.

- First date vibes.

Perhaps?
- Oh, yeah.

- Great. Let's go.

- ♪ You may not look like me ♪

♪ You may feel differently ♪

- All right.

We survived.

- We definitely did.

- [chuckling]

- For a moment there
it was iffy.

- ♪ Everybody everybody
everybody ♪

♪ Want to have a good life ♪

♪ Too many get a hard knock ♪

- All right, guys.
- We're just gonna

drop you off here.

- Good to meet you.

- Good to meet you.

- Enjoy.
- Have fun, guys.

- Well, thank you guys.

Enjoy.

- He seems great.

- Okay.

- ♪ Give us that real love ♪

- Well, I think our work hereis done.

- I'm very satisfied.

- We got 'em through
the rough patch.

I have a good feeling
about them.

- I do too.

- I'm excited I got
to meet you.

I'm really excited.

- It wasn't that I wasn't
excited to see you

'cause I was.

But I was stuck.

- Well, I think that

we should kinda just take it

step by step.

- I mean, we talked about
building a house

and having a family.

Is that something
you want to do?

- That is something
I want to do.

- Down the road?

- Yeah.

- Really?

- Yeah.

- [laughing]

I do, too.

- I'll get my ducks in a row.

- Yeah?

♪ ♪

- ♪ Give us that real love ♪

[dialing]

- Hey!
- Hey.

What's up, Rachael?

What's up with you and Vance?

- [sighs]

- Uh-oh.

- I mean...

We were talking a little bit.

And he was just acting
super weird.

And I was just like,

I'm not gonna sit here

and I'm not gonna keep

like, trying to beg you

to be in my life.

- I'm so sorry.

It felt like there was
some optimism

in that maybe he was going
to get his act together.

- No.

Right after we saw each other

he had asked me to, like,
send him money, so--

And I, of course,
said, like, no.

- I mean, I was bummed,

but then once you said that,

I mean, like...
- Yeah.

I'm over it.
- Right.

I don't want to have to

take care of another person.

Like, I just had to, like,
snap out of it.

- Good for you, girl.

You seem, like, freer.

- Yeah, now I can, like,

get myself together
and move on

and not have that "what if"

in the back of my head.

- And what about your sister?

How's everything going
with her?

- She's actually right here.

- Hey, guys.
- Hey, girl.

- Hey.

At least you got your sister

through all this.

Just be there for you,
so that's awesome.

- We're family.

Me and my sister have been
through so much.

Come on.

- All right, girls.

Be good.

all: Bye.

- You never know
what you might do.

- Very special cohost. the one
and only Nick Young.

- How's it going, man?

- "I watch the show
"Love & Hip Hop"

"and I've fallen for one
of the guys on there,

Rich Dollaz."

- Seen him on TV

and my heart jumped out
of my chest.

This is the most
convincing catfish

I'll have ever seen.

- Can I wait in the car?
I'm scared.

- He should be here.

- Oh, my God, oh, my God,
oh, my God.

- This is crazy.

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