Catfish: The TV Show (2012–…): Season 7, Episode 1 - Sheklia & Talli - full transcript
A concerned son reaches out when his mom's mysterious online boyfriend seems too shady for comfort. But Mom is hiding secrets of her own, and once Nev & Max find their man, things take a bizarre turn that leave them shocked.
- My mom's been in a lot
of bad relationships,
so I just want to see
her happy, that's it.
- Talli told me
that he'll take care of me,
so this is, like,
a big chance for me.
- What?
Oh, my [bleep] God!
- You shoulda never called me
a fat-ass Kelly Price.
- For the past six years,
Max and I have been traveling
the world...
- Whoo!
- Helping people
find out the truth...
- What the [bleep]?
- About their online
relationships.
- I feel so stupid right now.
- Now, in our seventh season,
we'll cross
the hundred-episode mark.
- I can't wait to catch
a catfish creep.
Let's do it.
- Of course, since we started,
a lot's changed in my life.
I got married
to the most incredible
woman in the world,
and we have
the cutest baby ever.
- [giggles]
- Even though
my family's in LA,
I can't give up
traveling the country
to help people
meet their online loves.
- Hey!
[giggles]
- But I'm doing my best
to be home when I can.
I gotta go to work!
And I'm taking advantage
of Laura's perspective
on some of our cases.
- I just cracked the case.
- This is a big deal.
Because this season,
Max and I can use
all the help we can get.
- That's right.
We got a walker.
- Oh, my God.
My heart's racing.
- In an age
where everyone knows
everything about everybody,
people are getting
better and better
at hiding the truth.
both: What?
- There's his mugshot.
That's him?
♪ ♪
- Which is why,
this time around,
every episode
has double the secrets...
These are all connected
to that phone number.
- What?
- Double the surprises...
What the hell is this?
And double the reveals...
- There were some things
that she didn't tell you guys.
- That are going to seriously
blow your mind.
What?
Oh, boy. You [bleep] up.
This is "Catfish: The TV Show."
Cleo, I gotta go, baby.
- Aww.
- You can't come with me.
I'll pack you in there.
- Okay.
- Okay. Here we go.
What? We got a stowaway!
Are you trying to come with me?
I gotta go to work!
- You know anything
about the story?
- I don't know yet.
Max is in New York.
He's flying to St. Louis.
I'm gonna go meet him there.
- Fun. Well, we'll miss you,
kind of.
- I love you.
♪ ♪
- [cries]
both: Aww!
- Okay, let's go.
Bye, Mommy. Bye.
- Bye.
[upbeat pop music]
♪ ♪
- Yo! Hey.
We've got an email to read.
- I know, I just got in.
My flight was delayed.
- Well, come on!
- Ooh!
Let's see what we got.
- Whoa.
- "My Mom Is Going to Kill Me."
"What's up, Nev and Max?
"My name is Le'Vonte.
I'm 17 years old,
"and I live
in St. Louis, Missouri.
We need your help."
- Uh-oh. "We"?
- "My mom and I."
- So he's written us
on behalf of his mom.
- "My mom's name is Sheklia.
"She had me
when she was really young,
so we're super close."
- ♪ I had it all ♪
♪ I thought I had it all ♪
- "My mom has been through
a lot of crappy relationships,
but over the past few months,
she seems super happy."
- ♪ I had it all ♪
- "She's been walking around
with stars in her eyes,
talking to Talli."
♪ ♪
"They met online
and talk on the phone 24/7."
♪ ♪
"I thought, 'Cool,
Mom found a nice dude.'
"But when I said I wanted
to meet the guy,
"she got all weird.
"She keeps saying he's 'busy.'
"Too busy to take my mom
on a date?
Come on!"
- [laughs]
- I like this guy's writing
a lot.
"Turns out, they've never met.
"I told her that she needs to
watch out for this guy,
"but she just told me
to mind my own business.
"I don't want to be all up
in my mom's personal life,
"but I'm kind of worried
about her.
"She's being catfished, guys,
I'm sure of it.
"She won't listen to me.
"She won't let me
see his profile
"because she knows
I'll tell him what's up.
Can you guys help?"
- All right--
- First of all...
I like Le'Vonte's personality,
from what I can tell.
- Yeah, he loves his mom.
He wants to see his mom
dating someone cool,
but he doesn't like the idea
that this guy, Talli,
might be
just stringing her along.
- Right.
- Let's call Le'Vonte.
both: Yo!
- Hey, how you doin'?
- Le'Vonte!
- What's up?
- You grew up in St. Louis?
- Yes.
- How old are you?
- Seventeen.
- And you live with your mom?
- Yup.
- And now your mom
is dating this guy...
- Yeah, Talli.
- Talli.
- She was talking to him
for a long time,
but she never seen him
or met him, though.
- She's never seen him?
- She seen a picture of him,
but they never video-chatted
or anything.
- I see.
What do you know about Tally?
- I guess he's from this area,
but he supposedly moved
to Texas.
That's all I know.
She don't like
telling me a lot.
She be telling me to get out
her business and stuff.
- It sounds like your mom
is keeping
a lot of secrets from you.
- Basically.
- And so you did
what any good son would do.
When your mom tells her
to stay out of her business,
you emailed the two guys
from "Catfish."
- To put your mom's business
on television.
- 'Cause my mom's been in
a lot of bad relationships,
so I just want to see
her happy, that's it.
- Le'Vonte.
Who you talkin' to?
- Who is that?
- That's my mom.
- What the [bleep]?
- [laughs]
These are the people
from "Catfish."
What the--oh, no!
[bleep] this!
- Hey!
- I told her,
but she ain't believe me.
- Really?
- [laughs]
- Is he always sticking
his nose in your business?
- He's always!
- We're in your business now.
- Oh, y'all serious!
- Can't date someone
on the Internet
without us knowing about it.
- [laughs]
- Well, what's the deal
with Tally?
- That's my boyfriend.
- No, it's not.
- [laughs]
- He's my guy.
You know, we date,
and we together.
- How long have you
been talking to him?
- I met him about a year ago.
- Where'd you meet him?
- I met him online, actually.
But we do more talking
on the phone.
That's how I know it's real,
because most guys text you,
but he-he actually wants
to hear my voice.
- And do you love him?
- Yeah, I mean, you see me
just, you know,
I'm blushin'
talkin' about him.
I get butterflies.
- Do you have any doubts
that Talli is
who he says he is?
- I mean, why would I?
I mean, I don't think
he'd do that to me,
because just from, you know--
I done told him
everything about me.
And, you know, he done told me
everything about him.
In a relationship,
you gotta have trust.
You gotta have
a sense of humor,
have trust,
or you don't got nothin'.
So why doubt a person
that you want to be with,
that you love,
they say they love you?
Why doubt a person?
- I think we should
get to the bottom of this.
- We're already in St. Louis.
So yeah,
we'll see you guys soon.
- All right.
- Thank you.
- All right.
[uplifting pop music]
All right, so we got Le'Vonte.
- Got Sheklia.
And Talli is our mystery man.
A little mystery
goes a long way.
- Yeah. You ready to do this?
- Born ready.
Blap!
- Hey!
- Hey!
- Hey.
both: Le'Vonte!
- How y'all doin'?
- What's up, man?
- You look taller on Skype.
Are you gonna invite us in?
We're like vampires,
we need to be invited in.
- Hey!
- Hey!
- Hi.
- Look at you.
You look great.
- Thank you.
- We got a piano over here.
You know what, I gotta get
a little piano like this.
- You could really be
a little pianist.
[laughter]
- All right.
- You guys can have a seat.
- Are you from here originally?
Are you from St. Louis?
- Yeah, I'm from the east side.
- Nice.
And since Le'Vonte's
been a grown-up,
how many long relationships
have you had?
- Not too many, you know,
a lot of my exes,
you know, they get into it
wit' him.
- Le'Vonte?
- Yes.
- He just terrorized
your boyfriends?
- Exactly.
- Basically.
- Why?
- They was disrespectful.
- She doesn't stick up
for herself?
- That's why I gotta do it.
- Yeah, I can agree on that.
- And Talli, where in Texas
is he supposed to be?
- I don't know.
- You don't know
where he lives?
- When did he move to Texas?
- About... six weeks ago.
- Oh, so recently.
- Oh, wow.
- It was recently, yes.
- You've already considered
that if things go well,
you'd be willing
to move down there.
- Yes, because,
you know how it is, it's, like,
a big, you know, chance for me.
I mean, he told me
that he'll take care of me.
He would help me,
like, get a better job.
- I'm not moving.
- Your hope is that Talli's
this answer for everything.
He's like this panacea,
like, he'll get you a job,
that he'll have money for you.
- He believes in his woman
being spoiled.
- He just telling her
what she want to hear,
basically.
That's all it is.
- Yeah.
Can I talk to you for a minute
in the kitchen?
- Okay. Sure, yeah.
[suspenseful hip-hop music]
- Uh-oh.
So what do you think
they're talking about?
I figure
you've heard everything.
No?
Do you worry about your mom?
- Yeah. Too trusting.
She make bad decisions.
I don't know what's wrong
with her.
- So you feel, like,
kind of responsible
for keeping her in check
a little bit.
- Well, I do. Man of the house.
- Okay, I know this is crazy,
but I wasn't really honest
with Talli in the first place.
I was kind of, like...
- Uh-oh. So what do you think
they're talking about?
- Okay, I know this is crazy,
but I wasn't really honest
with Talli in the first place.
I was kind of, like...
texting him
from a fake profile.
[deep bass throbs]
- Sheklia.
- Crazy.
I know, I know, I know.
- Definitely changes things.
- I know.
- So this whole time,
you haven't really been
trying that hard to meet him.
- Right.
- Because... oh, man.
- Yeah, I made the fake profile
to spy on my ex,
and Talli just texted me,
and...
- Oh, my goodness.
- Yeah, so...
- So Le'Vonte
really has no idea?
- He has no idea.
- We gotta tell him.
- Oh, my God.
- Oh, boy.
- All right.
- Got a little bit
of a curveball here.
- I got something
that I need to tell you.
Me and Talli haven't met,
and we haven't FaceTimed
each other
because...
I've been talking to him
from a fake profile.
- So you catfishing him.
- Kind of, sort of, like...
- I mean...
- Yeah.
- Pretty much.
- Pretty much.
- Oh, my God.
[laughs]
Whaaat?
- What are the pictures
that you've been using?
- I just Googled "black girl,"
and this picture popped up.
- And that's all you've shown
him the whole time?
- Yes.
He thinks I'm this girl
named Kerry Taylor.
- That's messed up.
- Does Kerry speak
any differently?
- Yeah.
- What does she sound like?
- [in higher voice]
Hello? Hi, baby.
[laughter]
- Wow!
So you really got into this.
- Yes.
- And you're ready
to tell him the truth.
- I'm ready to come clean.
- 'Cause you don't know,
I mean,
he may not want to talk
to you ever again.
- I just hope
that he can look past that.
I'm still Kerry.
I just have a different name
and a different look.
- And if he turns out
a different version of Talli,
the way that you're sort of
a different version of Kerry,
will you accept him?
- I-I can't say that.
I like my men to look
a certain way.
I never dated no, you know,
no bad-lookin' man, so...
if he's not really attractive,
I'm probably not gonna
accept that, I mean, but...
- But you feel he should
immediately accept you.
- Exactly.
- [laughs]
- Exactly.
- So you gotta at least
give him the same opportunity.
- Yeah, but he said
that he'd never do
nothin' like that, so...
- He could be fake too.
You guys could both be
catfishing each other.
- Well, hopefully,
he's who he say he is,
and he will accept
who I am, really.
- We've got some work to do.
- I don't know if this
is gonna work out for you,
but I hope it does.
- Thank you guys.
- Okay.
- Bye,
we'll see you guys tomorrow.
- All right.
[upbeat hip-hop music]
- Wow. Gelato.
- All right.
- How's the book?
- Good.
- Good.
- All right, look at this.
Fully loaded. I got my scone.
I got my latte.
All right.
- Sheklia creates
a fake profile named Kerry
to spy on her then-boyfriend.
- Right.
- While she's using
the fake profile,
she gets a number of messages
from guys,
one of whom is Talli.
He's very sweet.
They start talking.
He's very supportive of her.
Of course, she's been lying
to him the whole time,
saying that she's a younger,
different looking woman.
Sheklia's catfishing this guy.
Is he catfishing her?
We don't know yet.
- All right, great.
Let's dive in here.
- Okay.
- Go to his page.
- Let's see,
what does it say here?
Got a lot of lady friends.
- Well, let's go down the wall.
Oh, people seem to know
his birthday.
Someone said,
"Happy birthday, Donell..."
What's that about?
[cymbal shimmering]
- What?
Wait, how does that come up?
- When you kind of hover over
the link,
it links to his page--
- Wait.
That means that his name
used to be Donell [bleep].
- Oh, man! That's a big break.
- "Happy birthday, Donell."
That's everywhere, right?
- That's a big break!
But the question then is,
why did he change his name
from Donell [bleep]?
- Was Donell his real name?
- Well, let's look up
Donell [bleep] with Facebook.
- Oh, boy.
- Not much.
- All right.
[cymbal shimmering]
Let's go back to Talli's page.
- Whoa!
- What?
- Yvonne called him
Darius [bleep].
That was November of last year.
- Right.
- And it still links
to Talli's page.
So has he been changing
his name?
- I guess so.
- The name of the page
has changed a couple times.
It was Donell.
Then it was Darius.
- Yeah.
- And now it's Talli [bleep].
We can search that name.
- That's true.
Let's search Facebook.
- Talli... there he is.
- Whoa. There's another one.
Look at this.
- There are two.
- Oh, boy.
- Same guy.
- Is that the same guy?
- I think it is.
- Multiple profiles.
That's not good.
- But look, there are
way more pictures here.
- Oh, boy.
Here, this person, Yaya, said,
"Looking good, friend.
Hope you're staying
out of trouble."
- That kind of implies
a friendship, an intimacy.
- Yeah, let's--
- A real-life...
- Might as well
reach out to her.
All right, let's send that
to Yaya.
So this just got a whole lot
more confusing.
Because there's
multiple profiles.
[cell phone chiming]
Ohhh, yeah.
Hello?
- Hi, this is Nev. Who's this?
- Yaya,
thanks for giving me a call.
We're trying to find out
a little bit
more information
about this guy,
and you commented
on a photo of his recently.
His profile
is Talli Boy [bleep].
- Is his name Darius or Donell?
What's his real name?
- Dartallius.
So has he always gone by Talli?
- Mm-hmm.
- 'Cause there's
another profile
that we found on Facebook
for Talli Boy [bleep].
[deep bass throbs]
- Got it. All right.
Thank you so much for helping.
- Thanks, Yaya.
- Okay.
- Bye.
- Bye.
- Wow.
Well, that's big news.
First of all, Dartallius,
we can search that name.
- That's true.
- 'Cause that's a rare name.
- Dartallius [bleep].
- Look, Dartallius... ooh.
There he is.
There's his mugshot.
- So does this prove
that Sheklia's talking
to Dartallius [bleep]?
- The question is,
where is Dartallius now,
and is he in control
of that Talli account?
Who's telling the truth here?
- So this woman, Sheklia,
tells me
that she has
been catfishing him.
- What?
- Yeah, so she made
a fake profile
and ended up meeting this guy.
- The nice thing
about Sheklia is,
she knows she shouldn't
have been doing this.
It's not like she's talking
to anyone else.
- Right.
- I think if the end result
is less people
getting catfished,
then the show is doing its job.
- Is this other guy
a catfish too?
- We don't know.
- Crazy.
I mean, you definitely
just want to make sure
that he'll meet you.
- Yeah.
- So if you tell him
that it's not her,
he might back out,
so I would just
kinda keep it mum for now.
- Yeah. That's good.
That's smart, yeah.
I love you.
- I love you.
- And I'll let you know
how it goes.
- All right.
Talk to you later.
- All right, bye.
- Bye, baby.
[upbeat hip-hop music]
- Hello.
- Hello.
♪ ♪
- I don't know if we have
the answer to anything yet,
but we definitely have
some information
that I think seems to be
getting us closer to the truth.
- Okay.
- All right.
So, the first thing we did
was we went
to Talli's Facebook page
that you sent us.
Just started sort of
going through it.
We thought this was
kind of interesting.
It says, "Happy birthday,
Darius [bleep]."
Now, here's what's interesting.
When you scroll over
Darius [bleep],
it brings up
this Talli profile.
[cymbal shimmering]
- What?
- And then...
- And now scroll down
a little more.
- If we go down
a little further...
"Happy birthday,
Donell [bleep]."
- What?
- No, but these names
are still linked to this page.
- Right.
- Yeah. So he changed the name.
- He's changed it, right.
So, in 2013, the page's name
was Donell [bleep].
In 2016, the page's name
was Darius [bleep].
And now it's Talli Boy [bleep].
- And you know, I seen that,
but I thought
they were just saying
happy birthday to that person.
- And I can see
why you'd think, like,
"Oh, someone's just saying
happy birthday to someone.
No big deal."
- Right. Yeah.
This crazy.
- The silver lining, though,
is that maybe,
if he's lying about something
like his name,
then your lie all of a sudden
becomes less harmful.
And he'll be more willing
to accept the fact
that you lied
because he's been lying, right?
- I guess. I guess you could
put it like that.
- So if-if he is
catfishing you, you know,
you don't think there's a way
that you could make
that relationship work?
- Hell, nah.
- Really?
- Nah.
- What if he's the same guy
but he's not in Texas?
- I wouldn't have no problem
with that.
- So some lies
don't matter if--
- Some lies, yeah.
I got some skeletons
in my closet too, so...
So I believe in second chances.
- Sure.
- I believe in second chances.
- It's fair.
- It's fair.
- All right.
- What we did next, though...
- Mm-hmm.
- Was a Facebook search
for Talli Boy [bleep].
- Okay.
- Okay?
And we found this.
[dramatic music]
Another profile. Same name.
- Right.
- Same guy in the photos.
But new pictures
that aren't those other ones.
And this is actually
pretty active.
- Oh, wow.
- What's interesting, though,
is when we kept goin',
look at this.
And this girl, Yaya,
seems to know him.
"Looking good, my friend.
I hope you staying
out of trouble."
Okay, so we messaged her,
and she called us.
- Oh, really?
- Like, a few minutes later.
- Okay.
- And she said
she lives in St. Louis.
They grew up together.
- Mm-kay.
- That his name is actually...
- Dartallius.
- Dartallius.
- She also said that Talli...
- Mm-hmm.
- Was in prison.
- What?
- Has he ever mentioned prison?
- He say he's never been
in jail a day in his life.
- You know, obviously,
when she told us that,
we wanted to do
a little research
and see if this Dartallius
has a record.
- Okay.
- And then we do a search
for Dartallius [bleep]...
- Couple mugshots. Right.
- Oh, my freaking God!
- Yeah, but the good news is,
he's the same good-looking guy!
- Wow. What I got myself into?
Ooh!
This is crazy.
Like, I can't even tell
my mama about this one.
Like... everybody gonna be,
like, disappointed in me.
Like... oh, wow.
- I just want to get
to the bottom of this.
- I gotta call him, I guess.
- Okay.
- All right.
- Good luck.
[suspenseful music]
[phone line chirping]
- Yeah, hey, is this Talli?
- Hey, how you doing,
this is Nev,
calling from that MTV show
"Catfish."
- I-I'm not joking, actually.
I'm calling because...
you know your friend Kerry?
- You know, you guys
have been talking for a while,
and she wants to meet you,
and we did some research.
We found--we found some things.
We're not really sure
what's what.
I-I guess your name
is Dartallius.
Is that right?
And-and have you been using
the same profile
that you use to talk to Kerry
for, like, the past six years?
Has that always been
your profile?
- 'Cause it was
a little confusing.
We saw some people
saying happy birthday
to, like, Darius [bleep].
- Got it.
- Forgive me for asking,
but were you in prison at all?
...I really don't want to talk
about that.
- All right. I understand.
All right.
But obviously,
there are some things
she doesn't know.
- We don't have to get into it
right now.
I just want to make sure
I'm talking to the person
I think I'm talking to.
You've been speaking with Kerry
for the past, like, year,
right?
- And you-you like her.
I mean, you have feelings
for her, right?
- Okay, well, 'cause we can--
we can help make that happen.
Obviously, you have some things
that you need to tell Kerry.
She has some things
she needs to tell you.
So I think you guys
getting together
and finally sitting down
and talking about all this
is probably a good idea.
- So, the first thing,
obviously, is,
we need to know where you are
right now.
- If we were to
come down there,
you could meet up with us?
- All right, well,
I look forward to meeting you.
- Okay, thanks.
That was easy.
[uplifting music]
So, I had a nice talk
with Talli.
- Mm-kay.
- Asked him about prison.
- Mm-hmm.
- And he said that's not
part of his life
that he's comfortable
talking about right now, but...
- Which I can understand.
I mean, who'd want to tell
someone that they're dating,
like, "Yeah,
I've been in prison"?
So I can understand that.
- He is in Texas.
He's outside San Antonio.
He has feelings for you.
- Mm!
- He was friendly.
He was polite.
He was excited to meet you.
I don't know, it's a--
I didn't get all the answers,
but it felt like he is telling
the truth about everything.
So I think we should plan
on leaving here
tomorrow and fly in to Texas.
You been on a plane before?
- No.
- No?
- No?
- Never.
- You're gonna come too?
- Mm, no.
I got a lot to worry about.
- He got basketball.
I can't take a couple days off.
I just want to see what happen
at the end.
- All right.
- Okay.
- Pack your bags.
- All right.
- Thank you.
- We'll see you in the morning.
- All right.
[uncertain music]
- I'm a little speechless.
It almost feels like,
not too good to be true,
but it doesn't--
something feels off.
- And he sounded like
a gentleman on the phone?
- Yeah, he was... pleasant.
♪ ♪
All right.
- Hey!
Nev.
[suspenseful music]
- Someone we know?
- I don't know.
- Hey.
You look familiar.
Wait a second.
- You're Talli.
- What the hell is this?
- You're in the guy
in the pictures.
- I just talked to this guy.
You said you were in Texas.
- No.
- Wait a second. Hold on.
- You didn't just talk to him
on the phone?
- No! What is going on?
- How do you know
that we're here?
- Oh, I just heard
from folks, man.
- Yaya. Did she tell you?
- Wait a second. Hold on.
Wait. More importantly,
have you been talking
to this girl Kerry?
♪ ♪
- No.
Never heard of her.
[deep bass throbs]
- Wait a second,
so someone's impersonating you.
- Yeah.
- I've been noticing that.
I came here today
to get to the bottom of this.
I'm really frustrated
about this right now.
- There's a girl in St. Louis--
the last year,
she's been talking to this guy
who she thought was you.
- For a full year.
They love each other.
- They had a whole relationship
for a year going on?
- Yeah.
- That's not me.
- Do you have
a Facebook profile?
- Yeah.
- What's it called?
What's your name on there?
- Talli Boy [bleep].
- There are two
Talli Boy profiles.
- Wow.
- Have you seen
the other profile?
- No, I haven't.
- With your name?
Can we see your phone
so we know which one?
Can you show us--
- There are two.
- So there's this profile,
and then there's also
this profile.
So this is the one
she's been talking to.
A totally different page.
- This one I never even seen.
- That you?
- Yeah. Different page.
- You're the real Dartallius.
- Most definitely are.
- So who is Sheklia talking to,
and who did you just talk to
on the phone?
- I don't know.
- Well, thank you.
- Yeah.
Sorry you got mixed up
in all this.
- All right.
- We'll let you know.
- All right, man.
- All right.
- Take care.
- Good to meet you.
[suspenseful music]
- Hello?
- Hey, Sheklia,
it's Nev and Max.
We just got to the hotel,
and there,
sitting on a bench,
was Dartallius.
And I said, "Hey, man,
didn't we just talk?
I thought you said
you were in Texas."
And he said, "We never talked."
- What?
- Then I asked him, you know,
"What about Kerry,
this girl
you've been talking to,"
and he said,
"I don't know who that is."
So now we have no idea
who you're talking to.
- Oh, my God.
- I mean, at this point,
anything is possible.
- Look at this gentleman.
- Good luck on your basketball.
- Good luck to you.
- Wow, first time on a plane.
Your wild ride.
- Sheklia's wild ride.
[upbeat rock music]
- ♪ Sometimes
there's no reason ♪
♪ Sometimes
there's no pleasin' ♪
♪ Knew it from the start ♪
♪ No ♪
♪ No more cryin' ♪
♪ No more cryin' ♪
♪ No more cryin' ♪
♪ No more ♪
[tone chimes]
- We're only 14 minutes away
from Mystery Man's house.
- Who is this guy?
We know nothing.
- I don't know!
Want to know who this guy is.
I got butterflies
in my stomach, like...
- We don't know how serious
this guy is about you or not.
- Right.
- He might have
very real feelings for you.
- It all depends on how he'll
accept me catfishin' him, so...
- Let's talk about Kerry
for a second.
This guy is nervous
about meeting Kerry.
- Oh, right.
- Right.
I'ma just tell him I'm sorry,
and I'm just hopin'
for the best.
- We're about to pull up.
- Yeah, real-real close now.
- Oh, man.
- This is it.
All right.
[whistles]
- I'm nervous.
[suspenseful music]
- Let's do it.
- Don't hold back.
- Rip off that Band-Aid.
- Mm.
♪ ♪
- Let me just scope it out.
- Mm-kay.
♪ ♪
[soft knocking]
- I see someone.
- Uh-oh, someone's coming.
♪ ♪
- Oh. How you doin'?
- How you doin'?
- Just so we're clear here,
you're the person
that Kerry's been talking to?
- Yes.
- So, I think you should
just come out here,
and we can sort all this out.
- Yeah, man.
- Come on out here.
♪ ♪
[music slows down]
- What?
- This is Kerry.
- Oh, my [bleep] God!
- So--
- Are you serious?
- Wait, wait, wait.
- Really, Terrance?
- I didn't know it was you.
- You know this guy?
- Yeah!
- Man, this is crazy.
- How do you know this guy?
- Come on out here.
[suspenseful music]
- What?
- This is Kerry.
- Oh, my [bleep] God!
- So--
- Are you serious?
- Wait, wait, wait.
- Really, Terrance?
- I didn't know it was you.
- You know this guy?
- Yeah!
- Man, this is crazy.
- How do you know this guy?
- We dated, like,
10, 11 years ago.
[deep bass throbs]
- What?
- This is crazy!
- This ain't right.
That's what it is.
- It's not right.
You catfished me!
- Well, you catfished him too.
- Yeah, but still, though!
- Hold on, hold on, hold on.
So you had a fake profile.
- Yes.
- And messaged
her fake profile.
And it just so happens
that you guys
actually used to date?
- Man, that was
a long time ago.
- It was so long ago!
- Are you serious, man?
- Oh, my God!
- You--wait, time out.
You used to live in St. Louis?
- I used to live with my mother
in St. Louis.
- Okay.
- I mean, this is a first.
- I'm like...
oh, my [bleep]...
this is crazy!
It was you the whole time?
- You guys... this is destiny.
- No.
- Uh-uh.
It was a bad, bad relationship.
- It was a bad relationship?
- Yes. It was really bad.
While we were together,
he had three kids on me.
You told me you don't
even have any kids.
You have a lot of kids!
- How many kids do you have?
- I got four.
- He had all those kids on me.
- Really?
- Yes!
He was just a H-O-E.
That's all he was.
- Talli-hoe.
- Talli-hoe.
- There you go.
- How did you make
the Talli profile?
- It wasn't originally me.
It was one of my friends.
He made the profile.
- Do I know your friend?
- Donell, or...
- Donell?
- I-I'd rather not
say his name.
- Wait, how did
the profile start?
- I had a buddy
who was using the profile
to get females off of it.
- Why was he using
Tally's picture?
- That's something--
I don't know,
and I asked him about it,
he was like,
"Man, look,
it's just gettin' me females."
So I'm like, "Okay, cool."
- You don't know Talli.
- No, I don't, really.
- How long have you been using
the account?
- About a year and a half.
- And who was using it
before you?
- One of my friends
was using it.
- So it's just like
a community thing
that you just pass on?
- I just don't understand.
Why are you guys,
like, using this profile?
Why don't you just make
a new one, I mean--
- 'Cause this one works!
♪ ♪
- So what-what do you get
out of this?
- Definitely didn't get
what I wanted!
- All right.
I need a break.
♪ ♪
- You're gonna go?
- I'm just gonna...
- That's crazy, man.
♪ ♪
- So you've already had
a relationship with her.
- Yes, it was--
- And you don't want
to revisit that?
- [laughing]
Nah! No.
♪ ♪
- What happened with this guy?
- And you dated Sheklia...
- Four and a half years, man.
But if I knew it was her,
I'da been like, nah, no way.
[sighs]
God, [bleep], man.
I actually loved Sheklia,
but I'd messed things up.
It got to the point
where I just had to walk away.
- This is his life.
This is--
all the females
that he's cheated with me on,
he met them online.
I met him online.
- It ended kinda crazy.
It got to the point where
she started bleaching clothes.
- Bleaching clothes?
- Yes.
Like, taking a knife,
ripping up my shoes and stuff.
Like, man, and she pretended
like she didn't want me to go,
but I'm like,
"Man, I can't do this."
It's just like...
- It wasn't just me.
I mean, there was times
I came home
and Sheklia was in the bed
with another dude, drunk.
I mean... yes,
we did each other,
but man, this is kinda crazy.
- So you were really in love
with this guy.
- And what did you like
about Kerry?
- Kerry was more caring.
She would talk to you.
There ain't no lies
or whatever.
It felt like there wasn't
no lies.
You know, I told her things
that I wouldn't even tell
nobody else.
- I'm gonna go out there.
Stay in here
as long as you need.
Come on out when you're ready.
- And you dated Sheklia
for five years?
- Yeah, five years.
- They dated for five years.
He had kids with other people.
- Sounds like you did
some things
that were really messed up.
- Yeah, I did.
- And that you really hurt her.
- Yeah.
And I apologize
for what happened in the past.
♪ ♪
I can only apologize
for the past.
I can't change it.
- What about now, like...
- What about it?
You tell me.
Is you just gonna stand there
and keep lookin',
or are you gonna say something?
- What is there to say?
[melancholy music]
- All right.
This was pretty weird.
Why don't we just see
how we feel tomorrow?
- All right.
- All right.
- ♪ Pressin' my way
to the surface ♪
♪ Wonder if I'll ever
feel you close ♪
♪ Stuck in my head,
I can't get out ♪
- That was pretty messed up.
- Oh, my God.
If I knew this, I wouldn't
have even came up here.
- ♪ Can you be sure ♪
- I mean,
when you forget a person,
you forget a person,
especially with the [bleep]--
all the [bleep]
that he done done.
- ♪ But you stay the same ♪
- I mean, like, this good guy
you're being to Kerry,
why isn't he gonna be
this good guy to me?
- ♪ We drift away ♪
- We can go see him tomorrow,
if you want to.
- I don't know.
- ♪ So I rearrange ♪
- It's a new day.
- A new day.
- Not a lot of stuff
on this show
s-surprises us anymore.
This really was a surprise.
- I can't believe
that it was him.
I talked to Le'Vonte.
He said,
"I don't believe it," like...
"How did that happen?"
You know? It's like...
- It's pretty amazing.
- It's crazy.
- I mean, maybe when I had
the Kerry profile,
I was, like, friending people
that I knew, like my family,
like, I had a lot of my family,
I had a lot of my real friends.
Like, I was just trying
to make the page look real,
so maybe he just found me
on one of his friend's page.
That's all I can think of.
- Whatever connection
you obviously had in the past,
even as separate people
pretending to be,
you know, pretty different
than you actually are,
you still were drawn
to each other.
You still connected and felt
love towards each other,
treating each other
the way that you probably wish
you had been treating
each other back then.
- That's what made me
break down like that,
because the way
that he talked to Kerry,
he never talked to me
like that.
The way you showed
your feelings,
I was like, wow.
You do all this stuff
for Kerry.
You ain't treat me like that.
You wasn't good to me
like that.
Why are you, like,
being like this
to a person
you don't even [bleep] know?
- But you know
that he would say
exactly the same thing
about you,
that she was
nothing like Kerry.
Kerry listened.
She's compassionate.
She's powerful and independent.
And he was very attractedto that.
- Yeah.
- I'm not gonna push youtowards
getting back together
with Terrance.
- I know. No.
- But you can
genuinely forgive him
and really kind of, like,
let that pain and hurt go.
That'll feel amazing.
- All right. I'll try.
I'm gonna try.
- Yeah.
[uplifting pop music]
♪ ♪
Hey, man.
- What's happenin'?
- All right, thanks.
♪ ♪
- How you doin'?
- I'm doin' all right.
- I'm sure this is
all pretty weird.
- Yeah.
- The whole situation,
why, you know, I kind of, like,
feel [bleep] up about it
is because, like, the way
you treated Kerry, like...
- Okay.
- Why you didn't just
treat me like that?
You would've been
the perfect person
if it wasn't for, you know,
your bad cheatin' habit.
We probably would've still been
together to this day, but--
- I was young.
I wasn't really thinkin' about
treatin' no female right
or nothin' like that.
I was young.
I was just comin' home
from college.
I mean, I changed
over the years.
- You told me a little bit
yesterday
about what you loved so much
about Kerry.
I think it would be great
for Sheklia to hear
some of the things
you were saying about Kerry.
- Kerry was the total opposite
of Sheklia.
She was more forthcoming.
She would talk to you.
Kerry was a person
that opened up.
- So she listened?
- Yeah, she listened more.
- Sheklia, what did you
really like about Talli?
- He was sweet, carin', lovin'.
You know, when I'm havin'
problems at work,
I call him, and he'll,
you know, calm me down.
You don't get too many guys
like that, so.
I never had no man that say
the stuff that he say to me,
tell me he love me
before we hang up.
Yeah, I would say, his,
you know, I was his little--
his boo, he was mine.
- Which is, again,
kind of the opposite
of your image of Terrance.
- Yes.
- He was doing other things.
And you weren't number one.
- Mm-mm.
- I guess I just want to
challenge both of you.
Maybe there is a part of Talli
that you've learned to be.
Maybe there's a part of you
that is Kerry.
And you guys both offered
something to someone else
that you didn't even think
you really had.
- Mm-hmm.
- I guess I could try to,
you know, be more, like,
what I pretended to be.
Maybe I could actually be more
like I was with Kerry--
- You just gotta...
- Yeah.
- Put in the work.
- Look, only thing I can do is,
man, I can apologize.
- I apologize too.
I mean, we both did stuff
to each other.
I don't believe
in that destiny, that--
- No. Oh, no, no.
- And all that stuff.
- Me either.
- So I'm not gonna say...
that it was meant, but...
you really did love Kerry, hmm?
- Yeah.
- Wow.
[tender vocal music]
- All right, well, look,
I mean,
this could've gone way worse.
I mean, you guys are
obviously grown up.
You're ready to let the past
be the past.
You know, I thought
there was a chance
that this could've worked out.
- Start off as friends,
and see where it goes
from there.
♪ ♪
- Yeah.
- Cool.
- All right.
- All right, guys.
- All right.
♪ ♪
It was nice seeing you again.
♪ ♪
- All right.
- All right.
- No more catfishing.
- Done with that.
- [chuckles]
[phone line chirps]
- Hey, what's up?
both: Whoa!
- Sheklia.
- Look at that hair.
You look fierce.
- Thank you.
- So, what's been going on?
How is everything?
- Still keeping in touch
with Terrance.
We've been talking every day.
- I'm shocked.
- He's a good person.
- Wow.
- He's coming down here
in December.
He and I are gonna hang out.
- Sounds like things might
work out with Terrance.
Isn't that crazy?
- Wow.
I love it.
All right, Sheklia.
See ya.
- Bye.
Terrance!
- What's up, man?
- How you doin'?
- Good to see you.
- We hear you've been
talking to...
both: Sheklia.
- Yeah, I talk to her.
- Sounds like it might
be more than that.
- [laughs]
Right.
- How's that going?
- It's going.
You know, I mean,
working on a friendship first,
you know,
I told her whenever she ready,
I mean, to let me know.
- Wow.
Still some red-hot embers
that you're trying to reignite.
- [laughs]
Yeah.
Hey, you gotta be friends
first
before anything else
can happen.
- That's what I've been saying
to Max for years.
- [laughs]
- Anyway, good speaking to you,
Terrance. Later.
- Later, man.
- All right.
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of bad relationships,
so I just want to see
her happy, that's it.
- Talli told me
that he'll take care of me,
so this is, like,
a big chance for me.
- What?
Oh, my [bleep] God!
- You shoulda never called me
a fat-ass Kelly Price.
- For the past six years,
Max and I have been traveling
the world...
- Whoo!
- Helping people
find out the truth...
- What the [bleep]?
- About their online
relationships.
- I feel so stupid right now.
- Now, in our seventh season,
we'll cross
the hundred-episode mark.
- I can't wait to catch
a catfish creep.
Let's do it.
- Of course, since we started,
a lot's changed in my life.
I got married
to the most incredible
woman in the world,
and we have
the cutest baby ever.
- [giggles]
- Even though
my family's in LA,
I can't give up
traveling the country
to help people
meet their online loves.
- Hey!
[giggles]
- But I'm doing my best
to be home when I can.
I gotta go to work!
And I'm taking advantage
of Laura's perspective
on some of our cases.
- I just cracked the case.
- This is a big deal.
Because this season,
Max and I can use
all the help we can get.
- That's right.
We got a walker.
- Oh, my God.
My heart's racing.
- In an age
where everyone knows
everything about everybody,
people are getting
better and better
at hiding the truth.
both: What?
- There's his mugshot.
That's him?
♪ ♪
- Which is why,
this time around,
every episode
has double the secrets...
These are all connected
to that phone number.
- What?
- Double the surprises...
What the hell is this?
And double the reveals...
- There were some things
that she didn't tell you guys.
- That are going to seriously
blow your mind.
What?
Oh, boy. You [bleep] up.
This is "Catfish: The TV Show."
Cleo, I gotta go, baby.
- Aww.
- You can't come with me.
I'll pack you in there.
- Okay.
- Okay. Here we go.
What? We got a stowaway!
Are you trying to come with me?
I gotta go to work!
- You know anything
about the story?
- I don't know yet.
Max is in New York.
He's flying to St. Louis.
I'm gonna go meet him there.
- Fun. Well, we'll miss you,
kind of.
- I love you.
♪ ♪
- [cries]
both: Aww!
- Okay, let's go.
Bye, Mommy. Bye.
- Bye.
[upbeat pop music]
♪ ♪
- Yo! Hey.
We've got an email to read.
- I know, I just got in.
My flight was delayed.
- Well, come on!
- Ooh!
Let's see what we got.
- Whoa.
- "My Mom Is Going to Kill Me."
"What's up, Nev and Max?
"My name is Le'Vonte.
I'm 17 years old,
"and I live
in St. Louis, Missouri.
We need your help."
- Uh-oh. "We"?
- "My mom and I."
- So he's written us
on behalf of his mom.
- "My mom's name is Sheklia.
"She had me
when she was really young,
so we're super close."
- ♪ I had it all ♪
♪ I thought I had it all ♪
- "My mom has been through
a lot of crappy relationships,
but over the past few months,
she seems super happy."
- ♪ I had it all ♪
- "She's been walking around
with stars in her eyes,
talking to Talli."
♪ ♪
"They met online
and talk on the phone 24/7."
♪ ♪
"I thought, 'Cool,
Mom found a nice dude.'
"But when I said I wanted
to meet the guy,
"she got all weird.
"She keeps saying he's 'busy.'
"Too busy to take my mom
on a date?
Come on!"
- [laughs]
- I like this guy's writing
a lot.
"Turns out, they've never met.
"I told her that she needs to
watch out for this guy,
"but she just told me
to mind my own business.
"I don't want to be all up
in my mom's personal life,
"but I'm kind of worried
about her.
"She's being catfished, guys,
I'm sure of it.
"She won't listen to me.
"She won't let me
see his profile
"because she knows
I'll tell him what's up.
Can you guys help?"
- All right--
- First of all...
I like Le'Vonte's personality,
from what I can tell.
- Yeah, he loves his mom.
He wants to see his mom
dating someone cool,
but he doesn't like the idea
that this guy, Talli,
might be
just stringing her along.
- Right.
- Let's call Le'Vonte.
both: Yo!
- Hey, how you doin'?
- Le'Vonte!
- What's up?
- You grew up in St. Louis?
- Yes.
- How old are you?
- Seventeen.
- And you live with your mom?
- Yup.
- And now your mom
is dating this guy...
- Yeah, Talli.
- Talli.
- She was talking to him
for a long time,
but she never seen him
or met him, though.
- She's never seen him?
- She seen a picture of him,
but they never video-chatted
or anything.
- I see.
What do you know about Tally?
- I guess he's from this area,
but he supposedly moved
to Texas.
That's all I know.
She don't like
telling me a lot.
She be telling me to get out
her business and stuff.
- It sounds like your mom
is keeping
a lot of secrets from you.
- Basically.
- And so you did
what any good son would do.
When your mom tells her
to stay out of her business,
you emailed the two guys
from "Catfish."
- To put your mom's business
on television.
- 'Cause my mom's been in
a lot of bad relationships,
so I just want to see
her happy, that's it.
- Le'Vonte.
Who you talkin' to?
- Who is that?
- That's my mom.
- What the [bleep]?
- [laughs]
These are the people
from "Catfish."
What the--oh, no!
[bleep] this!
- Hey!
- I told her,
but she ain't believe me.
- Really?
- [laughs]
- Is he always sticking
his nose in your business?
- He's always!
- We're in your business now.
- Oh, y'all serious!
- Can't date someone
on the Internet
without us knowing about it.
- [laughs]
- Well, what's the deal
with Tally?
- That's my boyfriend.
- No, it's not.
- [laughs]
- He's my guy.
You know, we date,
and we together.
- How long have you
been talking to him?
- I met him about a year ago.
- Where'd you meet him?
- I met him online, actually.
But we do more talking
on the phone.
That's how I know it's real,
because most guys text you,
but he-he actually wants
to hear my voice.
- And do you love him?
- Yeah, I mean, you see me
just, you know,
I'm blushin'
talkin' about him.
I get butterflies.
- Do you have any doubts
that Talli is
who he says he is?
- I mean, why would I?
I mean, I don't think
he'd do that to me,
because just from, you know--
I done told him
everything about me.
And, you know, he done told me
everything about him.
In a relationship,
you gotta have trust.
You gotta have
a sense of humor,
have trust,
or you don't got nothin'.
So why doubt a person
that you want to be with,
that you love,
they say they love you?
Why doubt a person?
- I think we should
get to the bottom of this.
- We're already in St. Louis.
So yeah,
we'll see you guys soon.
- All right.
- Thank you.
- All right.
[uplifting pop music]
All right, so we got Le'Vonte.
- Got Sheklia.
And Talli is our mystery man.
A little mystery
goes a long way.
- Yeah. You ready to do this?
- Born ready.
Blap!
- Hey!
- Hey!
- Hey.
both: Le'Vonte!
- How y'all doin'?
- What's up, man?
- You look taller on Skype.
Are you gonna invite us in?
We're like vampires,
we need to be invited in.
- Hey!
- Hey!
- Hi.
- Look at you.
You look great.
- Thank you.
- We got a piano over here.
You know what, I gotta get
a little piano like this.
- You could really be
a little pianist.
[laughter]
- All right.
- You guys can have a seat.
- Are you from here originally?
Are you from St. Louis?
- Yeah, I'm from the east side.
- Nice.
And since Le'Vonte's
been a grown-up,
how many long relationships
have you had?
- Not too many, you know,
a lot of my exes,
you know, they get into it
wit' him.
- Le'Vonte?
- Yes.
- He just terrorized
your boyfriends?
- Exactly.
- Basically.
- Why?
- They was disrespectful.
- She doesn't stick up
for herself?
- That's why I gotta do it.
- Yeah, I can agree on that.
- And Talli, where in Texas
is he supposed to be?
- I don't know.
- You don't know
where he lives?
- When did he move to Texas?
- About... six weeks ago.
- Oh, so recently.
- Oh, wow.
- It was recently, yes.
- You've already considered
that if things go well,
you'd be willing
to move down there.
- Yes, because,
you know how it is, it's, like,
a big, you know, chance for me.
I mean, he told me
that he'll take care of me.
He would help me,
like, get a better job.
- I'm not moving.
- Your hope is that Talli's
this answer for everything.
He's like this panacea,
like, he'll get you a job,
that he'll have money for you.
- He believes in his woman
being spoiled.
- He just telling her
what she want to hear,
basically.
That's all it is.
- Yeah.
Can I talk to you for a minute
in the kitchen?
- Okay. Sure, yeah.
[suspenseful hip-hop music]
- Uh-oh.
So what do you think
they're talking about?
I figure
you've heard everything.
No?
Do you worry about your mom?
- Yeah. Too trusting.
She make bad decisions.
I don't know what's wrong
with her.
- So you feel, like,
kind of responsible
for keeping her in check
a little bit.
- Well, I do. Man of the house.
- Okay, I know this is crazy,
but I wasn't really honest
with Talli in the first place.
I was kind of, like...
- Uh-oh. So what do you think
they're talking about?
- Okay, I know this is crazy,
but I wasn't really honest
with Talli in the first place.
I was kind of, like...
texting him
from a fake profile.
[deep bass throbs]
- Sheklia.
- Crazy.
I know, I know, I know.
- Definitely changes things.
- I know.
- So this whole time,
you haven't really been
trying that hard to meet him.
- Right.
- Because... oh, man.
- Yeah, I made the fake profile
to spy on my ex,
and Talli just texted me,
and...
- Oh, my goodness.
- Yeah, so...
- So Le'Vonte
really has no idea?
- He has no idea.
- We gotta tell him.
- Oh, my God.
- Oh, boy.
- All right.
- Got a little bit
of a curveball here.
- I got something
that I need to tell you.
Me and Talli haven't met,
and we haven't FaceTimed
each other
because...
I've been talking to him
from a fake profile.
- So you catfishing him.
- Kind of, sort of, like...
- I mean...
- Yeah.
- Pretty much.
- Pretty much.
- Oh, my God.
[laughs]
Whaaat?
- What are the pictures
that you've been using?
- I just Googled "black girl,"
and this picture popped up.
- And that's all you've shown
him the whole time?
- Yes.
He thinks I'm this girl
named Kerry Taylor.
- That's messed up.
- Does Kerry speak
any differently?
- Yeah.
- What does she sound like?
- [in higher voice]
Hello? Hi, baby.
[laughter]
- Wow!
So you really got into this.
- Yes.
- And you're ready
to tell him the truth.
- I'm ready to come clean.
- 'Cause you don't know,
I mean,
he may not want to talk
to you ever again.
- I just hope
that he can look past that.
I'm still Kerry.
I just have a different name
and a different look.
- And if he turns out
a different version of Talli,
the way that you're sort of
a different version of Kerry,
will you accept him?
- I-I can't say that.
I like my men to look
a certain way.
I never dated no, you know,
no bad-lookin' man, so...
if he's not really attractive,
I'm probably not gonna
accept that, I mean, but...
- But you feel he should
immediately accept you.
- Exactly.
- [laughs]
- Exactly.
- So you gotta at least
give him the same opportunity.
- Yeah, but he said
that he'd never do
nothin' like that, so...
- He could be fake too.
You guys could both be
catfishing each other.
- Well, hopefully,
he's who he say he is,
and he will accept
who I am, really.
- We've got some work to do.
- I don't know if this
is gonna work out for you,
but I hope it does.
- Thank you guys.
- Okay.
- Bye,
we'll see you guys tomorrow.
- All right.
[upbeat hip-hop music]
- Wow. Gelato.
- All right.
- How's the book?
- Good.
- Good.
- All right, look at this.
Fully loaded. I got my scone.
I got my latte.
All right.
- Sheklia creates
a fake profile named Kerry
to spy on her then-boyfriend.
- Right.
- While she's using
the fake profile,
she gets a number of messages
from guys,
one of whom is Talli.
He's very sweet.
They start talking.
He's very supportive of her.
Of course, she's been lying
to him the whole time,
saying that she's a younger,
different looking woman.
Sheklia's catfishing this guy.
Is he catfishing her?
We don't know yet.
- All right, great.
Let's dive in here.
- Okay.
- Go to his page.
- Let's see,
what does it say here?
Got a lot of lady friends.
- Well, let's go down the wall.
Oh, people seem to know
his birthday.
Someone said,
"Happy birthday, Donell..."
What's that about?
[cymbal shimmering]
- What?
Wait, how does that come up?
- When you kind of hover over
the link,
it links to his page--
- Wait.
That means that his name
used to be Donell [bleep].
- Oh, man! That's a big break.
- "Happy birthday, Donell."
That's everywhere, right?
- That's a big break!
But the question then is,
why did he change his name
from Donell [bleep]?
- Was Donell his real name?
- Well, let's look up
Donell [bleep] with Facebook.
- Oh, boy.
- Not much.
- All right.
[cymbal shimmering]
Let's go back to Talli's page.
- Whoa!
- What?
- Yvonne called him
Darius [bleep].
That was November of last year.
- Right.
- And it still links
to Talli's page.
So has he been changing
his name?
- I guess so.
- The name of the page
has changed a couple times.
It was Donell.
Then it was Darius.
- Yeah.
- And now it's Talli [bleep].
We can search that name.
- That's true.
Let's search Facebook.
- Talli... there he is.
- Whoa. There's another one.
Look at this.
- There are two.
- Oh, boy.
- Same guy.
- Is that the same guy?
- I think it is.
- Multiple profiles.
That's not good.
- But look, there are
way more pictures here.
- Oh, boy.
Here, this person, Yaya, said,
"Looking good, friend.
Hope you're staying
out of trouble."
- That kind of implies
a friendship, an intimacy.
- Yeah, let's--
- A real-life...
- Might as well
reach out to her.
All right, let's send that
to Yaya.
So this just got a whole lot
more confusing.
Because there's
multiple profiles.
[cell phone chiming]
Ohhh, yeah.
Hello?
- Hi, this is Nev. Who's this?
- Yaya,
thanks for giving me a call.
We're trying to find out
a little bit
more information
about this guy,
and you commented
on a photo of his recently.
His profile
is Talli Boy [bleep].
- Is his name Darius or Donell?
What's his real name?
- Dartallius.
So has he always gone by Talli?
- Mm-hmm.
- 'Cause there's
another profile
that we found on Facebook
for Talli Boy [bleep].
[deep bass throbs]
- Got it. All right.
Thank you so much for helping.
- Thanks, Yaya.
- Okay.
- Bye.
- Bye.
- Wow.
Well, that's big news.
First of all, Dartallius,
we can search that name.
- That's true.
- 'Cause that's a rare name.
- Dartallius [bleep].
- Look, Dartallius... ooh.
There he is.
There's his mugshot.
- So does this prove
that Sheklia's talking
to Dartallius [bleep]?
- The question is,
where is Dartallius now,
and is he in control
of that Talli account?
Who's telling the truth here?
- So this woman, Sheklia,
tells me
that she has
been catfishing him.
- What?
- Yeah, so she made
a fake profile
and ended up meeting this guy.
- The nice thing
about Sheklia is,
she knows she shouldn't
have been doing this.
It's not like she's talking
to anyone else.
- Right.
- I think if the end result
is less people
getting catfished,
then the show is doing its job.
- Is this other guy
a catfish too?
- We don't know.
- Crazy.
I mean, you definitely
just want to make sure
that he'll meet you.
- Yeah.
- So if you tell him
that it's not her,
he might back out,
so I would just
kinda keep it mum for now.
- Yeah. That's good.
That's smart, yeah.
I love you.
- I love you.
- And I'll let you know
how it goes.
- All right.
Talk to you later.
- All right, bye.
- Bye, baby.
[upbeat hip-hop music]
- Hello.
- Hello.
♪ ♪
- I don't know if we have
the answer to anything yet,
but we definitely have
some information
that I think seems to be
getting us closer to the truth.
- Okay.
- All right.
So, the first thing we did
was we went
to Talli's Facebook page
that you sent us.
Just started sort of
going through it.
We thought this was
kind of interesting.
It says, "Happy birthday,
Darius [bleep]."
Now, here's what's interesting.
When you scroll over
Darius [bleep],
it brings up
this Talli profile.
[cymbal shimmering]
- What?
- And then...
- And now scroll down
a little more.
- If we go down
a little further...
"Happy birthday,
Donell [bleep]."
- What?
- No, but these names
are still linked to this page.
- Right.
- Yeah. So he changed the name.
- He's changed it, right.
So, in 2013, the page's name
was Donell [bleep].
In 2016, the page's name
was Darius [bleep].
And now it's Talli Boy [bleep].
- And you know, I seen that,
but I thought
they were just saying
happy birthday to that person.
- And I can see
why you'd think, like,
"Oh, someone's just saying
happy birthday to someone.
No big deal."
- Right. Yeah.
This crazy.
- The silver lining, though,
is that maybe,
if he's lying about something
like his name,
then your lie all of a sudden
becomes less harmful.
And he'll be more willing
to accept the fact
that you lied
because he's been lying, right?
- I guess. I guess you could
put it like that.
- So if-if he is
catfishing you, you know,
you don't think there's a way
that you could make
that relationship work?
- Hell, nah.
- Really?
- Nah.
- What if he's the same guy
but he's not in Texas?
- I wouldn't have no problem
with that.
- So some lies
don't matter if--
- Some lies, yeah.
I got some skeletons
in my closet too, so...
So I believe in second chances.
- Sure.
- I believe in second chances.
- It's fair.
- It's fair.
- All right.
- What we did next, though...
- Mm-hmm.
- Was a Facebook search
for Talli Boy [bleep].
- Okay.
- Okay?
And we found this.
[dramatic music]
Another profile. Same name.
- Right.
- Same guy in the photos.
But new pictures
that aren't those other ones.
And this is actually
pretty active.
- Oh, wow.
- What's interesting, though,
is when we kept goin',
look at this.
And this girl, Yaya,
seems to know him.
"Looking good, my friend.
I hope you staying
out of trouble."
Okay, so we messaged her,
and she called us.
- Oh, really?
- Like, a few minutes later.
- Okay.
- And she said
she lives in St. Louis.
They grew up together.
- Mm-kay.
- That his name is actually...
- Dartallius.
- Dartallius.
- She also said that Talli...
- Mm-hmm.
- Was in prison.
- What?
- Has he ever mentioned prison?
- He say he's never been
in jail a day in his life.
- You know, obviously,
when she told us that,
we wanted to do
a little research
and see if this Dartallius
has a record.
- Okay.
- And then we do a search
for Dartallius [bleep]...
- Couple mugshots. Right.
- Oh, my freaking God!
- Yeah, but the good news is,
he's the same good-looking guy!
- Wow. What I got myself into?
Ooh!
This is crazy.
Like, I can't even tell
my mama about this one.
Like... everybody gonna be,
like, disappointed in me.
Like... oh, wow.
- I just want to get
to the bottom of this.
- I gotta call him, I guess.
- Okay.
- All right.
- Good luck.
[suspenseful music]
[phone line chirping]
- Yeah, hey, is this Talli?
- Hey, how you doing,
this is Nev,
calling from that MTV show
"Catfish."
- I-I'm not joking, actually.
I'm calling because...
you know your friend Kerry?
- You know, you guys
have been talking for a while,
and she wants to meet you,
and we did some research.
We found--we found some things.
We're not really sure
what's what.
I-I guess your name
is Dartallius.
Is that right?
And-and have you been using
the same profile
that you use to talk to Kerry
for, like, the past six years?
Has that always been
your profile?
- 'Cause it was
a little confusing.
We saw some people
saying happy birthday
to, like, Darius [bleep].
- Got it.
- Forgive me for asking,
but were you in prison at all?
...I really don't want to talk
about that.
- All right. I understand.
All right.
But obviously,
there are some things
she doesn't know.
- We don't have to get into it
right now.
I just want to make sure
I'm talking to the person
I think I'm talking to.
You've been speaking with Kerry
for the past, like, year,
right?
- And you-you like her.
I mean, you have feelings
for her, right?
- Okay, well, 'cause we can--
we can help make that happen.
Obviously, you have some things
that you need to tell Kerry.
She has some things
she needs to tell you.
So I think you guys
getting together
and finally sitting down
and talking about all this
is probably a good idea.
- So, the first thing,
obviously, is,
we need to know where you are
right now.
- If we were to
come down there,
you could meet up with us?
- All right, well,
I look forward to meeting you.
- Okay, thanks.
That was easy.
[uplifting music]
So, I had a nice talk
with Talli.
- Mm-kay.
- Asked him about prison.
- Mm-hmm.
- And he said that's not
part of his life
that he's comfortable
talking about right now, but...
- Which I can understand.
I mean, who'd want to tell
someone that they're dating,
like, "Yeah,
I've been in prison"?
So I can understand that.
- He is in Texas.
He's outside San Antonio.
He has feelings for you.
- Mm!
- He was friendly.
He was polite.
He was excited to meet you.
I don't know, it's a--
I didn't get all the answers,
but it felt like he is telling
the truth about everything.
So I think we should plan
on leaving here
tomorrow and fly in to Texas.
You been on a plane before?
- No.
- No?
- No?
- Never.
- You're gonna come too?
- Mm, no.
I got a lot to worry about.
- He got basketball.
I can't take a couple days off.
I just want to see what happen
at the end.
- All right.
- Okay.
- Pack your bags.
- All right.
- Thank you.
- We'll see you in the morning.
- All right.
[uncertain music]
- I'm a little speechless.
It almost feels like,
not too good to be true,
but it doesn't--
something feels off.
- And he sounded like
a gentleman on the phone?
- Yeah, he was... pleasant.
♪ ♪
All right.
- Hey!
Nev.
[suspenseful music]
- Someone we know?
- I don't know.
- Hey.
You look familiar.
Wait a second.
- You're Talli.
- What the hell is this?
- You're in the guy
in the pictures.
- I just talked to this guy.
You said you were in Texas.
- No.
- Wait a second. Hold on.
- You didn't just talk to him
on the phone?
- No! What is going on?
- How do you know
that we're here?
- Oh, I just heard
from folks, man.
- Yaya. Did she tell you?
- Wait a second. Hold on.
Wait. More importantly,
have you been talking
to this girl Kerry?
♪ ♪
- No.
Never heard of her.
[deep bass throbs]
- Wait a second,
so someone's impersonating you.
- Yeah.
- I've been noticing that.
I came here today
to get to the bottom of this.
I'm really frustrated
about this right now.
- There's a girl in St. Louis--
the last year,
she's been talking to this guy
who she thought was you.
- For a full year.
They love each other.
- They had a whole relationship
for a year going on?
- Yeah.
- That's not me.
- Do you have
a Facebook profile?
- Yeah.
- What's it called?
What's your name on there?
- Talli Boy [bleep].
- There are two
Talli Boy profiles.
- Wow.
- Have you seen
the other profile?
- No, I haven't.
- With your name?
Can we see your phone
so we know which one?
Can you show us--
- There are two.
- So there's this profile,
and then there's also
this profile.
So this is the one
she's been talking to.
A totally different page.
- This one I never even seen.
- That you?
- Yeah. Different page.
- You're the real Dartallius.
- Most definitely are.
- So who is Sheklia talking to,
and who did you just talk to
on the phone?
- I don't know.
- Well, thank you.
- Yeah.
Sorry you got mixed up
in all this.
- All right.
- We'll let you know.
- All right, man.
- All right.
- Take care.
- Good to meet you.
[suspenseful music]
- Hello?
- Hey, Sheklia,
it's Nev and Max.
We just got to the hotel,
and there,
sitting on a bench,
was Dartallius.
And I said, "Hey, man,
didn't we just talk?
I thought you said
you were in Texas."
And he said, "We never talked."
- What?
- Then I asked him, you know,
"What about Kerry,
this girl
you've been talking to,"
and he said,
"I don't know who that is."
So now we have no idea
who you're talking to.
- Oh, my God.
- I mean, at this point,
anything is possible.
- Look at this gentleman.
- Good luck on your basketball.
- Good luck to you.
- Wow, first time on a plane.
Your wild ride.
- Sheklia's wild ride.
[upbeat rock music]
- ♪ Sometimes
there's no reason ♪
♪ Sometimes
there's no pleasin' ♪
♪ Knew it from the start ♪
♪ No ♪
♪ No more cryin' ♪
♪ No more cryin' ♪
♪ No more cryin' ♪
♪ No more ♪
[tone chimes]
- We're only 14 minutes away
from Mystery Man's house.
- Who is this guy?
We know nothing.
- I don't know!
Want to know who this guy is.
I got butterflies
in my stomach, like...
- We don't know how serious
this guy is about you or not.
- Right.
- He might have
very real feelings for you.
- It all depends on how he'll
accept me catfishin' him, so...
- Let's talk about Kerry
for a second.
This guy is nervous
about meeting Kerry.
- Oh, right.
- Right.
I'ma just tell him I'm sorry,
and I'm just hopin'
for the best.
- We're about to pull up.
- Yeah, real-real close now.
- Oh, man.
- This is it.
All right.
[whistles]
- I'm nervous.
[suspenseful music]
- Let's do it.
- Don't hold back.
- Rip off that Band-Aid.
- Mm.
♪ ♪
- Let me just scope it out.
- Mm-kay.
♪ ♪
[soft knocking]
- I see someone.
- Uh-oh, someone's coming.
♪ ♪
- Oh. How you doin'?
- How you doin'?
- Just so we're clear here,
you're the person
that Kerry's been talking to?
- Yes.
- So, I think you should
just come out here,
and we can sort all this out.
- Yeah, man.
- Come on out here.
♪ ♪
[music slows down]
- What?
- This is Kerry.
- Oh, my [bleep] God!
- So--
- Are you serious?
- Wait, wait, wait.
- Really, Terrance?
- I didn't know it was you.
- You know this guy?
- Yeah!
- Man, this is crazy.
- How do you know this guy?
- Come on out here.
[suspenseful music]
- What?
- This is Kerry.
- Oh, my [bleep] God!
- So--
- Are you serious?
- Wait, wait, wait.
- Really, Terrance?
- I didn't know it was you.
- You know this guy?
- Yeah!
- Man, this is crazy.
- How do you know this guy?
- We dated, like,
10, 11 years ago.
[deep bass throbs]
- What?
- This is crazy!
- This ain't right.
That's what it is.
- It's not right.
You catfished me!
- Well, you catfished him too.
- Yeah, but still, though!
- Hold on, hold on, hold on.
So you had a fake profile.
- Yes.
- And messaged
her fake profile.
And it just so happens
that you guys
actually used to date?
- Man, that was
a long time ago.
- It was so long ago!
- Are you serious, man?
- Oh, my God!
- You--wait, time out.
You used to live in St. Louis?
- I used to live with my mother
in St. Louis.
- Okay.
- I mean, this is a first.
- I'm like...
oh, my [bleep]...
this is crazy!
It was you the whole time?
- You guys... this is destiny.
- No.
- Uh-uh.
It was a bad, bad relationship.
- It was a bad relationship?
- Yes. It was really bad.
While we were together,
he had three kids on me.
You told me you don't
even have any kids.
You have a lot of kids!
- How many kids do you have?
- I got four.
- He had all those kids on me.
- Really?
- Yes!
He was just a H-O-E.
That's all he was.
- Talli-hoe.
- Talli-hoe.
- There you go.
- How did you make
the Talli profile?
- It wasn't originally me.
It was one of my friends.
He made the profile.
- Do I know your friend?
- Donell, or...
- Donell?
- I-I'd rather not
say his name.
- Wait, how did
the profile start?
- I had a buddy
who was using the profile
to get females off of it.
- Why was he using
Tally's picture?
- That's something--
I don't know,
and I asked him about it,
he was like,
"Man, look,
it's just gettin' me females."
So I'm like, "Okay, cool."
- You don't know Talli.
- No, I don't, really.
- How long have you been using
the account?
- About a year and a half.
- And who was using it
before you?
- One of my friends
was using it.
- So it's just like
a community thing
that you just pass on?
- I just don't understand.
Why are you guys,
like, using this profile?
Why don't you just make
a new one, I mean--
- 'Cause this one works!
♪ ♪
- So what-what do you get
out of this?
- Definitely didn't get
what I wanted!
- All right.
I need a break.
♪ ♪
- You're gonna go?
- I'm just gonna...
- That's crazy, man.
♪ ♪
- So you've already had
a relationship with her.
- Yes, it was--
- And you don't want
to revisit that?
- [laughing]
Nah! No.
♪ ♪
- What happened with this guy?
- And you dated Sheklia...
- Four and a half years, man.
But if I knew it was her,
I'da been like, nah, no way.
[sighs]
God, [bleep], man.
I actually loved Sheklia,
but I'd messed things up.
It got to the point
where I just had to walk away.
- This is his life.
This is--
all the females
that he's cheated with me on,
he met them online.
I met him online.
- It ended kinda crazy.
It got to the point where
she started bleaching clothes.
- Bleaching clothes?
- Yes.
Like, taking a knife,
ripping up my shoes and stuff.
Like, man, and she pretended
like she didn't want me to go,
but I'm like,
"Man, I can't do this."
It's just like...
- It wasn't just me.
I mean, there was times
I came home
and Sheklia was in the bed
with another dude, drunk.
I mean... yes,
we did each other,
but man, this is kinda crazy.
- So you were really in love
with this guy.
- And what did you like
about Kerry?
- Kerry was more caring.
She would talk to you.
There ain't no lies
or whatever.
It felt like there wasn't
no lies.
You know, I told her things
that I wouldn't even tell
nobody else.
- I'm gonna go out there.
Stay in here
as long as you need.
Come on out when you're ready.
- And you dated Sheklia
for five years?
- Yeah, five years.
- They dated for five years.
He had kids with other people.
- Sounds like you did
some things
that were really messed up.
- Yeah, I did.
- And that you really hurt her.
- Yeah.
And I apologize
for what happened in the past.
♪ ♪
I can only apologize
for the past.
I can't change it.
- What about now, like...
- What about it?
You tell me.
Is you just gonna stand there
and keep lookin',
or are you gonna say something?
- What is there to say?
[melancholy music]
- All right.
This was pretty weird.
Why don't we just see
how we feel tomorrow?
- All right.
- All right.
- ♪ Pressin' my way
to the surface ♪
♪ Wonder if I'll ever
feel you close ♪
♪ Stuck in my head,
I can't get out ♪
- That was pretty messed up.
- Oh, my God.
If I knew this, I wouldn't
have even came up here.
- ♪ Can you be sure ♪
- I mean,
when you forget a person,
you forget a person,
especially with the [bleep]--
all the [bleep]
that he done done.
- ♪ But you stay the same ♪
- I mean, like, this good guy
you're being to Kerry,
why isn't he gonna be
this good guy to me?
- ♪ We drift away ♪
- We can go see him tomorrow,
if you want to.
- I don't know.
- ♪ So I rearrange ♪
- It's a new day.
- A new day.
- Not a lot of stuff
on this show
s-surprises us anymore.
This really was a surprise.
- I can't believe
that it was him.
I talked to Le'Vonte.
He said,
"I don't believe it," like...
"How did that happen?"
You know? It's like...
- It's pretty amazing.
- It's crazy.
- I mean, maybe when I had
the Kerry profile,
I was, like, friending people
that I knew, like my family,
like, I had a lot of my family,
I had a lot of my real friends.
Like, I was just trying
to make the page look real,
so maybe he just found me
on one of his friend's page.
That's all I can think of.
- Whatever connection
you obviously had in the past,
even as separate people
pretending to be,
you know, pretty different
than you actually are,
you still were drawn
to each other.
You still connected and felt
love towards each other,
treating each other
the way that you probably wish
you had been treating
each other back then.
- That's what made me
break down like that,
because the way
that he talked to Kerry,
he never talked to me
like that.
The way you showed
your feelings,
I was like, wow.
You do all this stuff
for Kerry.
You ain't treat me like that.
You wasn't good to me
like that.
Why are you, like,
being like this
to a person
you don't even [bleep] know?
- But you know
that he would say
exactly the same thing
about you,
that she was
nothing like Kerry.
Kerry listened.
She's compassionate.
She's powerful and independent.
And he was very attractedto that.
- Yeah.
- I'm not gonna push youtowards
getting back together
with Terrance.
- I know. No.
- But you can
genuinely forgive him
and really kind of, like,
let that pain and hurt go.
That'll feel amazing.
- All right. I'll try.
I'm gonna try.
- Yeah.
[uplifting pop music]
♪ ♪
Hey, man.
- What's happenin'?
- All right, thanks.
♪ ♪
- How you doin'?
- I'm doin' all right.
- I'm sure this is
all pretty weird.
- Yeah.
- The whole situation,
why, you know, I kind of, like,
feel [bleep] up about it
is because, like, the way
you treated Kerry, like...
- Okay.
- Why you didn't just
treat me like that?
You would've been
the perfect person
if it wasn't for, you know,
your bad cheatin' habit.
We probably would've still been
together to this day, but--
- I was young.
I wasn't really thinkin' about
treatin' no female right
or nothin' like that.
I was young.
I was just comin' home
from college.
I mean, I changed
over the years.
- You told me a little bit
yesterday
about what you loved so much
about Kerry.
I think it would be great
for Sheklia to hear
some of the things
you were saying about Kerry.
- Kerry was the total opposite
of Sheklia.
She was more forthcoming.
She would talk to you.
Kerry was a person
that opened up.
- So she listened?
- Yeah, she listened more.
- Sheklia, what did you
really like about Talli?
- He was sweet, carin', lovin'.
You know, when I'm havin'
problems at work,
I call him, and he'll,
you know, calm me down.
You don't get too many guys
like that, so.
I never had no man that say
the stuff that he say to me,
tell me he love me
before we hang up.
Yeah, I would say, his,
you know, I was his little--
his boo, he was mine.
- Which is, again,
kind of the opposite
of your image of Terrance.
- Yes.
- He was doing other things.
And you weren't number one.
- Mm-mm.
- I guess I just want to
challenge both of you.
Maybe there is a part of Talli
that you've learned to be.
Maybe there's a part of you
that is Kerry.
And you guys both offered
something to someone else
that you didn't even think
you really had.
- Mm-hmm.
- I guess I could try to,
you know, be more, like,
what I pretended to be.
Maybe I could actually be more
like I was with Kerry--
- You just gotta...
- Yeah.
- Put in the work.
- Look, only thing I can do is,
man, I can apologize.
- I apologize too.
I mean, we both did stuff
to each other.
I don't believe
in that destiny, that--
- No. Oh, no, no.
- And all that stuff.
- Me either.
- So I'm not gonna say...
that it was meant, but...
you really did love Kerry, hmm?
- Yeah.
- Wow.
[tender vocal music]
- All right, well, look,
I mean,
this could've gone way worse.
I mean, you guys are
obviously grown up.
You're ready to let the past
be the past.
You know, I thought
there was a chance
that this could've worked out.
- Start off as friends,
and see where it goes
from there.
♪ ♪
- Yeah.
- Cool.
- All right.
- All right, guys.
- All right.
♪ ♪
It was nice seeing you again.
♪ ♪
- All right.
- All right.
- No more catfishing.
- Done with that.
- [chuckles]
[phone line chirps]
- Hey, what's up?
both: Whoa!
- Sheklia.
- Look at that hair.
You look fierce.
- Thank you.
- So, what's been going on?
How is everything?
- Still keeping in touch
with Terrance.
We've been talking every day.
- I'm shocked.
- He's a good person.
- Wow.
- He's coming down here
in December.
He and I are gonna hang out.
- Sounds like things might
work out with Terrance.
Isn't that crazy?
- Wow.
I love it.
All right, Sheklia.
See ya.
- Bye.
Terrance!
- What's up, man?
- How you doin'?
- Good to see you.
- We hear you've been
talking to...
both: Sheklia.
- Yeah, I talk to her.
- Sounds like it might
be more than that.
- [laughs]
Right.
- How's that going?
- It's going.
You know, I mean,
working on a friendship first,
you know,
I told her whenever she ready,
I mean, to let me know.
- Wow.
Still some red-hot embers
that you're trying to reignite.
- [laughs]
Yeah.
Hey, you gotta be friends
first
before anything else
can happen.
- That's what I've been saying
to Max for years.
- [laughs]
- Anyway, good speaking to you,
Terrance. Later.
- Later, man.
- All right.
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