Catfish: The TV Show (2012–…): Season 6, Episode 20 - Caitlyn & Kenton - full transcript

- I've been speaking
to somebody.

He's 22.

He says that
he's your personal trainer.

- What?

- This guy is womanizing.

- I have
a two-year-old daughter,

and I believed everything
he was telling me.

- He heard we were on his case,

and he doesn't want
to get called out.

- Are you [bleep] kidding me?

[dramatic musical sting]



I think
that fate and destiny

have led Jose
to this moment.

- I mean, I think we're in
a little bit over our heads--

- We're always in
over our head.

[both chuckling]

- Let's head over.
- All right.

[laughter]

- Sorry, I was just, like--

I wasn't sure
how to answer that.

- Yes.
- What's your name?

- My name is Caitlyn.
- Caitlyn, hi.

- I'm a pretty big fan.
- Oh, cool.

- I heard about you guys
being here through Snapchat.

I actually have a question--
- Sure.



- And I'm hoping
you can answer it.

I've been speaking somebody,

and I'm wondering if
by any chance you know him?

- Like, know him personally?
- Yes.

Um, his name is Kenton.
He lives in Kentucky.

- Nah. I don't think
I've ever seen this guy.

Have you seen this guy?
- Kentucky?

I don't know who that is.

- Oh.
- What?

- He--
- I met him.

- You did meet him.

- He says that
he's your personal trainer.

- What?
- And I was hoping

that you could help me.

- You're from around here?
- I live 30 minutes from here.

In Worcester.

- And so you heard
we were in town.

- Yup, and I came.

- Look at that.
- Wait. Where is that?

- So first of all,
no, I don't know him,

but I obviously met this guy.

- You've been talking
to him for how long?

- I've been talking to him
for a couple of months.

He actually wants me
to move to Kentucky

so I'm hoping
that you guys can help me.

- Here, swing that chair around.

Let's just--
- Yeah. Quick recap.

- Okay.
- How did you meet this guy?

- He messaged me on Facebook.
He was a gentleman.

Not many guys are like that,
and we exchanged numbers

and we started to text.

- Are you considering
actually moving to Kentucky?

- If he is who he is.
- I mean, we already know

he's lying
'cause he's not my trainer.

- If Nev had a trainer,
you think he'd be this scrawny?

- [chuckles]
No.

- Does it freak you out though
that Nev is saying

that this guy isn't
his trainer?

- It does.
I have a two-year-old daughter.

Kenton's very persistent on
me and her moving to Kentucky,

and I don't want
to put her in danger,

but it's something
that I don't want to mess up

on the opportunity if
he's not lying about everything.

I love him.

- ♪ We'll be sitting
in the dark ♪

- Do you have people
in your life

that are trying
to get back in your life?

Or keep tabs on you?
- No.

- It could be your ex.

Your baby daddy--
- Who's the father?

- Um, he--
he can't contact me.

There's a restraining order.
He's not allowed to contact me.

- Well,
this would be a good way

for him to do that
without you knowing.

- Maybe.

- ♪ Under covers ♪

- I've never been in
a situation like this.

I'm just taking it
very seriously

because my daughter's
my number one.

She's my everything.
- Right.

- And I don't want
to risk anything

that's gonna potentially
hurt her or harm me.

- ♪ Under covers ♪

- I mean, I think
it's worth looking into.

- Maybe we could squeeze it in.

- Yeah,
once this episode's done,

we could meet you
and get into this.

See if we could figure it out.

I mean, why not?
It's personal.

This guy used me.
- He did use you.

- Anyway, it was
really nice meeting you.

- Thank you for taking the time
and listening to me.

- I'm glad you found us.

- You guys aren't hard to track.

- I guess not, yeah.
- [chuckles]

- Well, 'cause Nev, you're
Snapchatting left and right.

- Good to meet you.
- It was nice meeting you.

- Send us your information,

and we'll see you soon.
- Yeah, we'll be in touch.

- Bye!
- Bye!

- That was crazy.

- So we're gonna
help this girl?

This what we--it's come to?

Anyone just coming up to us?

They get our help?
- Yes.

- [laughs]
All right.

Well, let's go finish
this episode up, and then--

- Head into the next.

- Next stop, Wooster.
- [chuckles]

- ♪ Talking, talking, talking ♪

♪ To my higher self ♪

- All right,
we're in this quaint little

New England town,
Worcester.

- ♪ I wouldn't do it
for anyone else ♪

- Caitlyn is talking to Kenton,
who says he's in Kentucky.

She's got
a two-year-old daughter.

They've been talking
for three months.

- ♪ Talking, talking, talking ♪

- Whoever Kenton is,
he's smart

because he found
pictures of a guy

who I once met
and took a photo with,

which makes him seem
that much more credible

because I'm the "Catfish" guy.

- "I'm Nev's trainer."
What a lie.

- There it is. 35.

- All right.

[knocking]

- Hi!
both: Hey!

- What's up?
- Thank you for coming.

- Ooh!

- White Oreos?
- Yeah.

[upbeat music]

- So you've lived here forever?

- I lived here till I was eight,

and then my parents actually

won a lot of money, um,
going to the casino.

- Really?
- Yup.

So we moved to Florida,

but a traumatic thing
happened to me in Florida.

I ended up getting raped
and my parents thought

it was best to move back
to Massachusetts.

- How old were you
when that happened?

- I was 14.

- Jesus.
- It was a close friend

to the family, and they put him
in jail for four years.

- [exhales]
- Yeah, so...

Didn't have the best
relationships after that

so here we are.

- What about the father
of your child?

- There was a lot
of cheating and lying.

I actually was with someone
after him for a year,

and he was kind of,
like, the same.

- And you have no...
suspicions

that Kenton might be
one of these two guys?

- Um, I don't think so, no.

When I did talk to him
on the phone,

he had a southern accent.

- This is Kenton.

- Okay, take a seat

so we can get into this
a little bit more.

- Have you had
therapy and stuff?

- I have had therapy.
I'm actually in therapy now.

- Okay, so
you've talked about it

and you've dealt with it?
- I have.

For instance, like,
me and Kenton have bonded

through traumatic things
that have both happened to us.

He had a similar thing
happen to him

so we connected that way.

- So he also was the victim?

- Yes.
- Of a rape?

- Yes.
- At some younger age?

- Yes.

- You don't feel like
he's just saying that

because he wants
to sympathize with you?

- I would hope
that he wouldn't lie

about something like that.

[suspenseful music]

- What do you know about Kenton?

- He's 22.
He said that he moved

to Kentucky to be closer
to his daughter.

He says he pays child support,
but he doesn't get to see her.

- He moved to Kentucky
to be closer to a daughter

and he can't see her?
- Yeah.

- That's weird.
- I mean, my fear is that

this guy is, like--
You're like,

"Yeah, I got raped
when I was younger."

He's like, "Yeah, me too."

You're like,
"I have a daughter who's two."

He's like,
"Yeah, me too."

He's mirroring your life...
- Yeah.

- To win your trust.
- Mm-hmm. Yeah.

- What's
the video chat situation?

- Well, he's always working.

- With me?
- Yeah.

With you.
- He's in the gym.

- As you can tell,
I'm in the gym a lot.

- [chuckling]
- What do you like about him?

- I don't really see
too many guys

with a gentleman,
you know, perspective.

Like, he messaged me,

"I understand if
you don't want to talk to me,

but if you would,
here's my number."

He was a gentleman.
He respected me.

There's a bond
that I had with him

that I haven't felt
with anybody.

- How serious was the language

between you in terms of, like,

expressing your affection
for one another?

- Um, I have a hard time
saying I love you

because of the rape.

Um, that's the one thing

I held to myself when
that happened to me.

So I don't like to say
that word to just anybody.

So when I do say it,
I 100% mean it

because it's--
it's really meaningful.

I'm sorry.
- No, it's all right.

- So you hadn't said
that to him?

- No.
- But you want to?

- I do, but it's hard,

like, the distance thing.

He just wants me
to up and move.

It's either I move to Kentucky,
or this isn't gonna work.

- Has there ever just been,
like, talk about a trip?

A visit?
- Kind of, but I'm a single mom

and I can't really--
- Wait, for him.

- He's never offered
to come here.

- [exhales]

- I don't know
if you'd like to see,

like, the conversation
between us?

both: Yeah.
- Let's see.

"When I talk to you,
my heart flutters.

"I smile ear to ear.

I can't imagine you
not being in my life."

He said, "But if you
really, really, really

feel that way, Cait,
don't mess with me."

"I just don't know if
you're going to be able to do

what I'll need you to do
to make this work."

Why would he feel that way?

- Because I work
six days a week,

and then when
I get out of work,

I go and pick my daughter up
from day care.

I try to text him in between,

but he wants my full attention.

Like, he wants me to text him
every second of the day,

and I can't do that.

He actually told me,
which upset me,

that he knows single moms

that have tried harder than me.

And to me,
that breaks my heart

because, you know,
I bust my ass.

It's not like
the father's around.

I have to do it all myself.

- He's playing
a mind game with you.

Mr. Gentleman doesn't seem
that gentlemanly.

- But that's how
he's been recently.

That's not how he was
the whole time.

- People reveal
their true selves,

and this guy's true self
seems like

he might not be
the greatest guy.

- I just--I guess I just
don't want to admit that.

I grew a bond with him,

and it's hard to let
something like that go

when I haven't had that.

I've been in a bad situation
my whole life.

So I guess I'm so willing
to want something good

that I, you know,
I'm accepting it.

- I don't like this guy.

He's lying about who he is.

He's not treating you right.

He's putting all
this pressure on you.

He's making you feel guilty.

- You're right.
You're very true.

- I'm over it. Dump him.
- [chuckles]

- Well, so I think
you need us to help you

find out who he is
and then you can decide

what you want to do.

- I like the sound of that.

- Send us all the information

you have.
- Okay.

- And we'll get to
the bottom of this.

[suspenseful music]

- It was nice meeting you again.

Thank you.

♪ ♪

- If you think
you can manipulate

and take advantage of
and waste someone's time

because you have
your own insecurities

or you've got your own issues,

no more.

- If this guy
even was telling the truth

about everything
and, like,

he's still not
treating her right.

He needs more time because
you're giving too much

of it to your kids?
Are you [bleep] kidding me?

♪ ♪

[upbeat music]

♪ ♪

- Hello!
- Hi!

- What's up?
- Not so much.

- All right.

- All right,
so here's what we got.

We got Caitlyn. She's 21.

Two-year-old daughter.

Has had a difficult past.

Not had the best
experiences with men.

Finally meets a guy, Kenton,

who seems, at least at first,
like he is polite

and approaches her
in a very respectful way.

All we really know is
that this guy is lying

because he's not my trainer,

and the fact that he used
that picture of some guy

that I met once
at a gym indicates

that he's probably also
not the guy in the pictures,

but more important
than any of that,

he's making Caitlyn feel bad.

He keeps bullying her
and saying,

"Why don't you come
and move to Kentucky?"

- Or, "Why don't you
give me more time.

"With you working all day long

"and then hanging out
with your kid,

I'm not getting enough."

- So we gotta figure out
who and where this guy is

so that we can find him

and Caitlyn can rid herself
of this weight.

both: All right.
- Let's do it.

Here.
Information on Kenton.

- "Hey, guys.
Thank you so much

"for meeting me today.

"Below is some information
I have on Kenton.

"I have his name,
Kenton [bleep].

He lives in Kentucky,
and here is his phone number."

What do you want to do?
- You want to Googie him?

You wanna just Google him?
- He's not gonna come up.

- Let's Google him!
- Kenton [bleep]?

All right.
- Yeah.

Well, it's such a weird name.

- Oh.
- Whoa!

- Wait a second, look!
- A lot of pictures.

- That's--
- That's this guy.

- Wait a second, is this--
- There are a lot of pictures

of this guy that pop up
when you search for him.

- Is that him?
Maybe a younger him?

- Whoa.
- It could be--

- Yeah, that's him.

- Wait a second.
- Is he real?

- After all of this?
- Are we--are we wrong?

There are a lot
of social media profiles

with this guy's
information on them.

- This is a badoo account,
which is a dating app.

It says 22.

This is weird.
Wait a second.

Here's a PlentyOfFish profile.

This guy is really
covering all his bases.

- Either this guy has made
a lot of fake profiles

with the name Kenton [bleep]
and that picture,

or there is a guy named
Kenton [bleep]

who has made social media
profiles and this is him.

- Let's go to Facebook.
I just want to see

if there's a lot of him.
Is he, like, some known guy?

Here, Kenton [bleep].
Single male.

- He's the first thing
that pops up.

- This is the profile
she has for him.

- Did you go to the about?
- I'm going.

There's nothing. Wow.
Or we just can't see it.

- And where are
all these people from?

- Let's see.
- That guy is from Tennessee.

Kentucky.

Oh, he says he's
in a relationship.

Does he say with who?
- No.

Wait a second.
So this was March.

This would've been
right when they met.

- Right.
- You think he's talking

about Caitlyn?
- Maybe.

He should be.
- Yeah.

So this is weird.
In addition to his

"I'm in a relationship"
on March 6, in response to that,

some girl named Kayce said,
"I love you."

Which makes it sound like
Kayce is the girl

that's now in a relationship
with Kenton.

- That's right.
- All right, well,

we gotta reach out
to this Kayce girl.

"Hey, Kayce..."

All right, great.

Oh, look at this. Here we go.

12 likes on his last photo.

Shay, Mary, Shelly, Amy,
Courtney, Alyssa--

Let's just send out
a bunch of messages.

To Paige...

How about this girl, Rachael?

- Sure.
- Here's what's weird.

There's no way
to even know at this point

who the real guy is

'cause the only thing
that comes up

when we search his name is him.

[phone ringing]
both: Oh!

- We got a call!
Hello?

- Rachael, thank you for
getting back to us so quickly.

So we're trying
to find out whatever we can

about this guy, Kenton,

and we see
that you're friends with him.

- And we were just curious
if you, you know,

how you know him.

- And he just randomly
reached out to you and was like,

"Hey, I'm having problems
with my girlfriend.

Can you give me some advice?"
- When was this?

- Wait, so recently?

- And then the girl
he was dating was Paige?

- Not Caitlyn?

- Interesting. All right,
well, thank you for your time.

- Okay, bye.
- Thanks, Rachael.

I don't like this guy.
He may have dated Kayce.

And as of May,
he was dating this girl Paige,

and then flirting with
this other girl, Rachael.

- But even if
he wasn't dating Paige,

and he just used that
as an excuse to talk to Rachael,

that still means that he's not
that serious about Caitlyn.

- Right.
- Because he's talking

to some other girl,
and then flirting with her.

- Right.
I mean, this guy is womanizing.

Whether he is who
he says he is or not,

it doesn't change
my opinion of him.

In fact,
it confirms my hunch

that he's already
kind of a sleazeball.

- Well, let's wait and see
if any of these other girls--

- Yeah.
- Get back to us, and see if

we can get some more
information from them.

Find out how many other girls
he's been flirting with,

or in a relationship with.

And if we can't find
any other real Kenton [bleep],

then we have to assume
that this is him.

♪ ♪

[upbeat music]

[knocking]

- Housekeeping!
- Yeah, did you bring

that extra lotion?
- Yeah.

- Mm-kay, great.
- Hey.

- All right,
what do we got?

I do have one new message
from Kayce.

Remember that girl?
- Oh, yeah. Yeah.

- She said, "Hey,
I'm more than willing

"to help with any questions.
Here's my number.

And yes, I know Kenton."

Now we don't know
what that means.

- Does she know him,
or does she know him?

- Let's call.

[line trilling]

- Hello, Kayce?

- Hey, good morning,
it's Nev calling you.

Obviously,
we found you through

your Facebook friendship
with Kenton.

How do you know him?

- Met in person,
or on Fac--online?

- What?

- Okay, so you met Kenton,
the guy in the photos,

in Cincinnati last year?

- And then you guys dated
in Kentucky?

- Okay, and--and he--

was he a nice guy?

- Are you sure
he has a daughter?

- And did he ever say
that he was Nev's trainer?

Personal trainer?

- It's his opening line.

- I know he's buff,
but is he a--

is he a real ladies' man?

- Okay, well, this was, uh,

an unexpected twist for us.

Have a great weekend
and thanks.

- All right, bye, Kayce.

- Whoa!

Dude.
- So it is the--

- Oh, my God.
- He is him.

- That was a bombshell
of a phone call.

- So Kenton is Kenton.

He's a real ladies' man.

- This guy can't keep it
in his pants.

- I'll let you break the news.

[dramatic music]

How do you think
Caitlyn's gonna feel

when we tell her
that her perfect gentleman

is a total sleaze bucket?

- Will she even believe us?

♪ ♪

It's easy--
Oh!

Kentucky.

Hello?

- Yes.

- Yeah, that would be
pretty accurate.

We are in Worcester,
Massachusetts,

talking to, I guess,
your friend, Caitlyn.

And she has a lot
of feelings for you,

and asked for our help,
and kind of wanted to know

if you were the real deal
or not.

- What?

You took it
into your own hands

and preemptively jumped
on a plane,

and now you are here
in Massachusetts already?

- Caitlyn was under
the impression that you guys--

or that you were interested
in a relationship with her,

and you know,
from what we've heard,

it doesn't seem to be the case.

- Yeah.

- Okay, uh, sure.

♪ ♪

- What?

I've never seen someone
preemptively get on the pla--

I mean, like, that's weird.

- This guy is clearly
full of [bleep].

- There are two sides
to very story.

We haven't heard his side.

It's not fair
to judge something

until you've heard
both sides.

Maybe everything
can be explained.

- He's a player.
He gets around.

So he heard
we were on his case,

sweeping up all the [bleep]
he's been leaving behind him,

and he doesn't want
to get called out.

[suspenseful music]

both: Hey!
- Hi!

- What's up?
- [exhales]

Excited to hear
what you have to say.

- Well,
curb your enthusiasm.

There's a lot to go over.

- Things have changed a lot

just since we've left
the hotel to meet you.

I think the best strategy here
is just to walk you through

everything that's happened since
we left your house yesterday.

- Okay.
- So the first thing we did

was just a Google search.
- Okay.

- For Kenton [bleep] and kind of
to our surprise, a lot came up.

Interestingly,
and this doesn't usually happen,

a bunch of images came up
under the name Kenton [bleep].

And when we go to those images,

it's mostly pictures of him.

This would suggest
that the name, Kenton [bleep],

and the pictures of the guy
you've been looking at

are very connected,
if not the exa--

the same person.

Everything seems to be pointing
to him being him.

- Okay.
[exhales]

- Which is good news
in the sense that

he is who he says he is,

but bad news
in the sense of,

well, if he is
who he says he is,

then why isn't he being
more responsive?

Why isn't he
video chatting with you?

- He's been giving you
kind of the runaround,

and making you feel bad
for what?

- [sighs]
I don't know.

- So then we went
to his Facebook page.

Now when did you meet him?
End of February?

- Yeah.
- Weirdly, on March 6,

he listed himself as
in a relationship.

And then in response to that,

this girl Kayce says,
"I love you."

♪ ♪

So it sounded to us
like Kayce and Kenton

are in a relationship.

- Okay.

- So we thought, "Okay,
we should reach out to people."

So we went through.

We found people on his page

that looks like he might know.

Obviously, this girl Kayce.

And this girl, Rachael.

- Kenton messaged her to say,
"Hey, I'm having some problems

"with my relationship
with a girl named Paige.

Can you give me some advice?"

And that led quickly
to him flirting with Rachael,

and trying
to get together with her.

- And this was not
that long ago.

So when we heard that, we said,
"Okay, well, wait a second."

While he's been talking to you,

he listed himself as
in a relationship with--

both: Somebody.
- It seems like this girl--

- Kayce.

Then he's talking to Rachael.

- And he's trying
to pick up Rachael.

- So then this morning,
Kayce got back to us,

and she said for one month,

basically all of March
and into April,

they were, like, full on dating.

♪ ♪

- And Kayce says she ended up
breaking up with him

because she knew that he was
talking to a lot of other girls.

♪ ♪

- All signs point to
you not getting the truth

about who Kenton is
from Kenton.

- I know.

[crying]

And I feel like--

I'm sorry,
I feel like an idiot.

[exhales]

Him pressuring me everyday
into moving to Kentucky--

If I would've done that,
if I would've, you know,

never reached out to you guys
and I would've done that,

[stammers]

I can't even imagine
what would've happened.

You know, I have
a two-year-old daughter,

and I believed everything
he was telling me.

Yeah, he could be
the person in the pictures,

but that doesn't change
the lies that he's told me.

[somber music]

♪ ♪

That's very disturbing.
- Yeah.

- ♪ And I need you ♪

- You're in a vulnerable

moment in your life.

And this guys seems to know
exactly what to say

and how to manipulate you.

♪ ♪

- That, he did.

- ♪ I need you ♪

- [sighs]

- Well,
Kenton was clearly upset

when he found out
that we were snooping around

because on our way over here,

we got a phone call...
- Okay.

- From Kenton.
Basically, he said,

"I don't want this getting
any more mixed up

than it already is.
I want to clear this up."

- "I'm already on my way
to Worcester."

- What?
- He jumped on a plane

this morning,
and was already here

when he called us.

- So he's apparently
in Massachusetts

and wants to meet us today,

but it's up to you
if that's something

you're even willing to do.

♪ ♪

- I don't know.

I don't know what to say.

Is there any way
that I can go to the bathroom?

- Sure, of course.

♪ ♪

- [sobbing]

♪ ♪

- Um.
- You all right?

- Yeah. Sorry.
- Hey, that's okay.

I don't want him to hurt you

any more than you already are.

So maybe we can meet him today.
- Yeah.

- See what he plans on saying.

- Vet him a little bit.
- Right.

- You should still talk to him,

but maybe not right now.

- Okay. I agree.

I'm pretty mad so...

- All right,
so we'll go meet Kenton.

See what he has to say.

We'll call you later.
- Okay.

[suspenseful music]

♪ ♪

- Uh. I see--
I see someone.

- Oh, this guy looks buff.

- Yeah.

- All right, give us
some room, give us some room.

- I got some,
uh, faded jeans.

Some, uh, distressed,
stone washed jeans coming.

♪ ♪

[birds chirping]

- What's going on?

- How're you doing?

- I'm doing all right.

Kenton.
- Sweet.

We meet again.
- We meet again.

Second time.
- I guess, right?

- How're you doing?
- Thanks for coming out.

That caught us off guard.

We, you know, it's funny,
we've been making the show

a while, and usually,
people don't reach out to us

once they hear that
we've been looking into them

the way that you did.

Uh, but you really, like,

went for it.
- Yeah.

- What, uh--
what was so important to you

about this that you on your own
sort of dime flew out here?

- Basically,
I'm getting texts.

I'm getting calls that you guys
are trying to look into, like,

I guess what I'm doing
in my life type of thing.

I don't know
what's being said about me.

So I want to meet up
and just get it cleared up.

- Couldn't have been
too much of a surprise

that we were on
your trail though.

I mean, you've told people
that we work out together.

Or that you were my trainer.
- Oh, yeah, yeah.

I did say that.
- So, you know--

- I did say that.
- Is that, like, your line?

Is that, like, your--
- No.

No, it was just a really
easy thing to do at the time.

I did used to work out a lot.

I did used to be
a personal trainer.

Um, I met you at--

I think it was, like, LA Fitness
or something like that.

It was, like,
a easy white lie to just say--

- That's the least of our
concerns at this point.

So basically,
here's the situation.

- Mm-hmm.
- Caitlyn called us

because she wants
a little help to meet you.

The last thing
we expected to find

was that it actually is you.
- Mm-hmm.

- And discovering
that you are in fact you.

- Yeah. Me.
- We happened to talk

to two girls

who had sort of versions
of the same story.

- Well,
in order to explain that,

I need to know
who you talked to.

- Uh--
- We talked to Kayce.

We talked to this girl,Rachael.

- I've dated Kayce.
- Right, so Kayce's the girl

we've been talking to, right?
- Right, right.

- You dated her
a few months ago.

She told us
that during the time

that you were dating,
she became aware

of the fact that you were
flirting with other girls.

- No.

- This was around the same time
you were talking to Caitlyn.

- No. It was after me and Kayce
were completely done.

- And what about
this girl, Rachael,

who you flirted with online?

- You reached out to her
to get some advice--

some relationship advice,

and that was
your kind of angle in,

and then--
- What?

- It was just me having
a conversation with her.

- To be honest,
I don't, like--

I so don't care.

What are your thoughts
and feelings on Caitlyn?

- Everything
that I've told Caitlyn

besides the lie about
the training thing is true.

- You have your daughter.
- Yeah, I have a daughter.

She's three.
I don't get to see her.

All of that is true.

- Caitlyn revealed to us

that as a 14-year-old,

she had a very
traumatic experience.

- Uh-huh.
- She was raped.

Did you--
you were aware of that?

- Yeah. Mm-hmm.

- Her recollection of
a conversation she had with you

was that in telling you
about this,

you had mentioned that you had
had a similar kind of thing--

- Yeah, I'm not gonna
talk about that.

- That's fine.
- Okay.

- We were just concerned that
that may have been something

you made up.
- It's not fake.

No.
- Okay.

- I did want to meet Caitlyn.

I did want to try
to see where things

with me and Caitlyn could go.

- Well, she said that
you were kind of

not really being
understanding of the fact

that she was a single mom
and barely has any time.

- To me, that's [bleep].

I'm gonna be honest with you.

She works 40 hours a week.

Well, I work more than 40 hours
a week and I have time.

Granted, she has a daughter.
I understand that.

But that's [bleep].
You can't make time for me.

That part might be true.

But you have the time.

You're just
not making it for me.

That's why
I initially pulled away

when me and her
were talking or whatever

because I was feeling like,

"Okay, you know what,
she doesn't--"

- But were you dating
another girl

while you guys were talking?
- No. No.

- Sounds like you guys need
to have a conversation.

- Right.
That's what I'm saying.

That's why I'm up here.

- So you're not
in a relationship

with anyone right now?
- No.

- You're not living
with anyone right now?

- No. Not at all.

- All right.
- Thanks for coming.

We should all
meet up tomorrow.

- Yeah.
- Okay.

Thanks.
- Yeah.

- Appreciate you guys.
- Yeah.

- All right, man.
See you later.

- See you.

- I don't know,
what do you think?

- I don't know. Maybe the truth
is somewhere in between.

- All right. Let's call her.

[line trilling]

- Hey, Caitlyn,
it's Nev and Max.

We just met up with Kenton.

He basically had
an explanation for things,

and we're not necessarily
saying it's true,

or that we're believing him,
but--

- Seems like there were
a lot of things

that you guys haven't directly--
- Cleared up.

- Addressed.
- Right.

- And that tomorrow would be

a good opportunity
for you to do that.

- So think about everything,
and we'll check in with you

in the morning, and we'll see
how you're feeling.

- Bye.
- All right, bye.

- I-I--

he's in a relationship
right now.

Let's go on Tinder and see if--

- He's probably on Tinder.
That would be amazing.

He's probably
having sex right now.

- He definitely is
having sex right now.

[both laughing]

- I don't know.
We'll just have to see.

- Should we be
convincing Caitlyn

that she needs to talk
to this guy?

Is that our strategy
right now?

- I think that she needs
to hear him out.

One shouldn't make a decision

without hearing the other side
of the story.

[suspenseful music]

both: All right.

♪ ♪

- Hey!
- Hi.

Please come on in.
- Thank you.

- How're you feeling?

- A lot differently
than what I felt before.

I had some time to be
with my daughter,

and I think that, you know,

the perspective that Kenton
might've given you yesterday,

I feel like maybe he might've
been fooling you guys.

- There's some
of his answers to us yesterday

and his explanation that is:
"I can explain everything,

and I know it looks like this,
but it's not, it's this."

And so we were--
we were very neutral.

- He could easily be
full of [bleep],

but I think that you need
to see it for yourself.

- Okay.

I will be willing
to hear him out

and hear what he has to say.

- Let's go meet this guy.

- Okay.

[suspenseful music]

♪ ♪

- You can do this.
- Oh, God.

- All right.
- Are you ready?

- [exhales]
- Here we go.

- I'm trying to be,

but my heart is literally
to my stomach.

♪ ♪

[exhales]
Oh, God.

♪ ♪

Oh, my God.
- Oh, there he is.

- Hey.
- Good to see you.

- What's up?
- Nothing much.

Max.

Hi.
- Hi.

- All right.

Thanks for meeting us.
- Yeah, yeah.

- Come on in.
- No problem.

♪ ♪

- Let's sit--
you could sit there, Caitlyn.

- Okay.

♪ ♪

[exhales]

All right.
- So.

Thank you
for meeting up with us.

You're here, finally.
- Yeah.

- You are who you claim to be.

I mean, you're--
- Yeah.

- You're you.
- Right.

- I think it'd be helpful

if we maybe just started
with your side of all of this,

and some of the confusion
that you think

Caitlyn might be feeling.

- Well, I don't know exactly
what she's confused about

right now, but I mean,

with when we started talking
and you know,

we're having good conversation
with each other,

and we were talking a lot,

it went from doing that
to barely nothing.

There was, like,
no communication hardly at all.

Like, it would be, like,
literally two texts a day,

maybe, if I was lucky.

I got a lot of stuff
going on in my life,

but I can find
plenty of time out of the day

to talk to somebody
I'm interested in.

- Okay.

I mean, I kind of
want to respond.

- Okay.
- Um.

I work a new job
and my phone's not on me.

My phone is actually in
a locker all day.

So it wasn't intentional
for me to, you know,

respond late to you,

or for me
to not text you as much,

and I have a two-year-old
daughter. She's my life.

It's not like the father's in
the picture and helps me at all.

It's not like that.

- I don't understand
the excuse, to be honest.

I work more hours than you
and I can find time.

I know you have a daughter,
I understand that,

but you're acting like
when you get home,

you just throw
your phone in a trash can,

and then that's it.

- Look,
we know a thing or two

about long distance
relationships.

We've been traveling
and on the road for five years.

- Mm-hmm.
- So we get it.

It's hard to match up.

It's just the reality of
long distance relationships.

- But see, I've been in
a long distance relationship

and that's never been
a problem.

You're not gonna
sit here and tell me

that from the time you get home
until you go to bed,

you are so busy
you can't pick up the phone.

- You're fighting with me
because I didn't text you

throughout the day or because
I didn't respond to you.

It's not that I intentionally
meant to do it,

and I've told you this before,
it's not that I--

- That is intentional.
- It is not intentional.

- You're saying
you can't make time.

- It's not that
I can't make time,

it's just that
you want me to make time

when you want the time.

- So if you can make time,
why didn't you?

- I'm saying
when I do make time,

like at nighttime
when my daughter's in bed

and she's all taken care of,

you get mad at me
for not texting you

throughout the day,
or texting you--

I mean, you have to understand
where I'm coming from.

I'm a single mom.

- I don't because
I've dated single moms

and I've never had
this problem.

- Look, this didn't work.

It didn't work
and I think that

you're still
blaming it on her.

[chuckles]

I can tell by your huffing,

and lack of eye contact
with her that you're--

What's the gripe?

- I just really don't like
when someone, you know,

says they're about something,
or they get your hopes up

for this and that,
and then they just fall through

on everything.

Like, you should've just said,

"You know what?
I don't got the time for you.

That's it."

And it would've been fine.

But you're sitting here
leading me on.

That's not cool,
but...

Like I said, it's whatever.

She doesn't feel that way.

I'm just--
I'm done with the conversation.

- I guess I wasn't
putting enough time in.

I mean,
I have feeling for you.

Like, they're still there.

I wouldn't be crying right now

if I didn't feel the way I feel.

Like, this is heartbreaking.

- Can you understand
that she had trouble

finding all the time
that you wanted?

- I don't believe a word
that's coming out of her mouth,

to be honest.

[tense music]

Nothing more to talk about.

♪ ♪

- Can we take
a two second break?

- Can I go to the car?
- Yes.

[gentle music]

- He's being a little bitch.
[Caitlyn crying]

Okay?
- I know, I'm taking

an account of what a--

[exhales]

- He's being a little
[bleep] crybaby.

♪ ♪

I've never seen a guy
do that.

♪ ♪

- [crying]

I just feel like
every time I express how I feel,

it means nothing.
- Right.

You're trying to be
the bigger person.

You're trying to see
his side of it.

You're trying to take
some of the blame, too,

which is the honorable
thing to do.

- It just hurts
because I genuinely

did have feelings for him.

- For it to be going so well,
and then to so quickly

kind of be going not so well,

it's just hard--
a little hard to understand.

- I just feel like she's a liar.

I feel like she's lying
straight to me face.

- Is it really that you think
she's a liar,

or is it because you just,
like--that's it.

It's over, like,
you're just not--

- No, I think she's a liar.

- It feels like
you're trying to...

sort of put the blame on her.
- I am.

I feel like the blame
should be on her.

- How do you make time
for somebody that just wants

to fight with you
every time you talk

to them because of time?

Like, it just becomes a toll.
- Right.

But look, if he is gonna be
butt hurt about that,

and he can't control it,

which he doesn't seem like
he can control

how butt hurt he gets
about anything,

then that's gonna be a problem
in the relationship, too.

Listen.
Life is hard

and if you're relationship
is just adding

to the hardness of life,
especially at the beginning...

- Yeah.
- Then it's the wrong person.

And this guy--

he's just a--
he's a little--

he's a little princess.

- [chuckles]
- I mean, he's moody.

And he's like that.

- You're right.

I feel like I found out
what I needed to find out

and I'm ready to move on.

- Let's go in.

♪ ♪

- Nothing really changed
in here.

[thumping]

- Let's just say good-bye.

Essentially.

Bury this and move on.

[thumping continues]

- Okay.
- All right, well,

I'm sorry that you took
the time to come out here,

and I'm sorry
that it didn't work.

And I'm sorry that you feel like
you wasted your time with me.

I don't feel like that,
but I'm sorry that you do.

- ♪ You shot me down,
you like the control ♪

- Anything you want to say?
- I already said everything.

I've been over it ten times.
- Okay.

- ♪ I tried to play it nice,
but oh-oh-oh ♪

- Okay.
I guess that's that.

- ♪ Ooh, ooh,
don't kill my vibe ♪

♪ Oh-oh-oh, ooh, ooh ♪

♪ Don't break my stride ♪

- The fact that
he couldn't even say good-bye.

It just shows
the type of maturity level

that he must have.

- You handled yourself well.

You admitted fault
when he wouldn't.

- Right.
- Which--which it takes

a real big person to do.

Our president
won't even do that.

All right, case closed.

Not the guy for you.

- ♪ Don't kill my vibe ♪

[line trilling]

- Hello, Caitlyn.

- Caitlyn!
- Hi!

- What's up?
Tell us everything.

- I'm just working really hard.

No boys.

Not right now.
- Stay away from boys.

- Also, I haven't heard
or talked to Kenton,

so that's completely done with.
- Wow.

- I feel like
the whole situation

kind of just opened
my eyes to knowing

that I don't deserve
to be treated like that.

You know, I'm a good mom,
I work hard,

and I'm doing everything I can.

- We're about to talk to Kenton.

Any message you want us
to convey to him?

- No, I just hope
he grows up

and becomes a better man.
- All right.

Glad to hear
everything is going well.

You look great.

And hopefully,
we'll see you soon.

- All right. Thank you.

both: Bye.

[line trilling]

- Hey, what's up, man?

- Nothing, man, just working
and trying to enjoy my days off.

- How do you feel
about the whole situation?

- I feel the same way, uh,

that I felt when I left.

You know,
she kind of wasted my time.

- I feel like at some point,

you're gonna look back
on this and say,

"I was young, and I didn't
want to look stupid."

- I did look stupid.
I'm sitting there crying

over a girl that, you know,

didn't even make time
to text me.

I'm happy
that it came to an end.

You don't want to keep
something, you know,

leading on and leading on
and leading on.

- So life goes on.
- Life goes on.

The sun comes up.

- All right, dude, take it easy.
- Yeah, you, too, man.

See you.
- Bye.

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