Catfish: The TV Show (2012–…): Season 6, Episode 19 - Jose & Jay - full transcript

- "I know my friend
will listen to you guys.

You have helped him before?"
- What?

We've helped him before?
- Very mysterious.

- They talk about marriage,

talk about moving in
with each other,

and the guy just disappeared.

- This catfish has been
using these fake pictures,

flirting with women,

encouraging them
to move across the country.

- Who is this guy?
What does he want?

- There's no saying how
many people could get hurt.



[dramatic musical sting]

What'd you do over the weekend?
Did you get a medal?

- He's been wearing it
all morning.

- Proud to show off this medal

that I earned for completing
the Brooklyn Half-Marathon

on behalf of Team for Kids

that is all about
empowering children.

Well, now that
I've shown off this medal,

why don't we meddle
with someone's life?

[both laugh]

Okay, email time.
"Hey, Nev and Max.

"My name is Jasmine,
and I need your help.

It's not for me though.
It's for my best friend..."

- ♪ Hot thoughts
all in my mind... ♪



- Why doesn't her friend
have a name yet?

- [chuckles]
She's keeping it as a secret.

"And seemed really happy,

"but then he met Jay.

They were talking online
and getting really serious..."

"Jay would never video chat,

"and his profile photos
didn't seem right.

About two weeks ago,
Jay disappeared."

- ♪ Hot thoughts
all in your mind... ♪

- "My friend is devastated,
but he still thinks

they have a chance
to be together."

- ♪ Love is a lie ♪

- "The reason
I need your help is because

"I know my friend
will listen to you guys.

You've helped him before?"
- What?

We've helped him before?

Wait, maybe she didn't say
his name for a reason.

- "Maybe if he finds out what
happened to this mystery guy,

he can move on.
Please call me, Jasmine."

♪ ♪

Oh, man.
- Wait, we've helped him before?

Do you think that's just
'cause we've helped

from watching the show?
Or do you think--

- No, it's got to be someone
from a previous episode.

- Well, why isn't
she saying his name?

In almost 100 episodes
of making this show,

there are a lot of people
we've helped.

It could be anyone.
- Very mysterious.

- All right.
- Let's find out.

Let's see what
Jasmine's got to say.

[Skype call ringing]

- Oh, hey, how are you guys?

- What's up, guys?
I assume this is Jasmine.

- Yes, hi.
- I'm Ellae.

- LA like the city?
- Yeah.

- Wait, are you the friend
that she's trying to help?

both: No.

- Well, we're
very curious about this.

- First of all, where are you?

- In Hartford, Connecticut.

- In Hartford?
- Jose.

It could only be Jose.

We've never been to Hartford
for anyone else.

- We've only gone once.

- All right, Jasmine,
out with it.

- It's Jose.
- It's Jose!

- It is Jose.
- Oh, my God.

You remember Jose?

- This is Jose.
Jose has been Rosa.

- Yup.
- Yeah, he catfished

a guy named Danny in Orlando
as a woman named Rosa.

Can we hear the Rosa voice?

- I mean, I don't know
what's going on.

You know, a lot of things been
changing in my life.

- Wow.
- How could I forget?

- All right, tell us the story.
- All right, yeah.

- So it's Jose.

- Jose, after he left y'all
show, he was doing good.

You know, he had his place.
He was working.

- Mm-hmm.
- You know, he was hanging out.

You know, he was doing
what he liked to do,

but then he met somebody

on Facebook two months ago,

and they got really serious.

They was talking.

He was falling for him

and just wouldn't
video chat him.

I personally felt like
it was a fake profile.

The picture is just,
no, not happening.

I tried to tell Jose

that I felt like he was
not who he was saying he was.

- I mean,
if anybody should know

they're being catfished,
it's Jose.

The guy was a catfish.
- Right, he was--right.

- He doesn't believe that
he might be getting catfished.

- Were they in love?
- Yeah.

They talk about marriage,

talk about moving in
with each other,

everything,
and the guy just disappeared.

- So does Jose know
that you guys

have reached out to us?
- Yeah.

He's just scared that you might,
you know, say no to him.

- He's afraid that we're gonna
say, "No way, Jose,"

right?
- [laughs]

- That's it.
That's all we got to tell him.

All right, let Jose know
we're coming,

and we'll see you tomorrow.

- All right, thank you.
- Thank you so much.

- Hasta manana.

Can you believe it?
- I mean, Jos--

- We're going back to Hartford.

Incredibly, he's on
the other side of things.

- He had a taste of love.
- Right.

- And now he wants
the whole thing.

- Well, we got to help him out.

This is now the second time
we've met Jose.

We should call it Jos-B.

[both laugh]

[rock music]

- Nev got held up
at the x-ray machine.

Amateur.

- ♪ Take your chances ♪

♪ But take your time ♪

♪ On romancin' me... ♪
- What up, Hartford?

- We're back.
- ♪ And we'll be fine ♪

- So we're going to see Jose.
I can't believe it.

We thought the show
was a wake-up call,

but maybe he hit snooze.
- Yeah.

- There isn't a snooze button
on the clock of life.

[dramatic music]

[grunts]

- Hello.
- What up?

- Well, he's inside
waiting for you.

- Jose's inside?
- Yeah.

- Jose?
- Hey.

- Oh, boy, there he is.
- [laughs]

Hey.
- Wow, look at this guy.

- Hey, how you been?
- Look at--look at him.

- Looking good,
you're looking good.

- Looking good, man.
Little chin music here?

- Oh, yeah, I got this haircut.
- Yeah, you got the strap.

- All right, let's sit down.

- I can't believe we're back.
- I can't believe it either.

- I don't get it, Jose.
What happened?

- When I last video chatted
with you guys, you know,

I had met somebody.

I'm kind of talking
to somebody right now.

- Someone you met
on the Internet?

- No, it was actually
one of the customers that

I met knocking on their door.
- Hey.

That relationship
didn't work out?

- It didn't work out,
and then boom,

that's where
Jay came in the picture.

[beeping]
After the show aired,

I've been getting
mad friend requests

just from different people.
- Okay, so you get

a friend request from Jay?
- From Jay.

[beeping]
So I asked him,

"You saw me on the show
'Catfish'?"

and he was like,
"No, I never seen the show."

He said that he found me
from mutual friends.

He kind of reminded me
of Danny, you know?

He didn't judge me
just like Danny didn't.

He actually sat down
and listened,

and I felt like
that's what I needed.

- Where did he say he was from?
- Pennsylvania.

- How quickly were you guys
talking on the phone?

- Right away.
He was going through

a lot of the same things
that I was going through.

He had a rough childhood.

His parents are religious,
so having to live

in the closet
for quite a while,

you know, a lot of the stuff
that we both went through,

you know, a lot of that matched.

He was very kind,

hard-working person,
family person.

He mentioned marriage.

That's what made me
fall for him.

This is all I ever wanted.

- But we don't need to tell you

the reality that people pretend.

- Questions started flowing
throw my head

'cause I tried to video chat
with him a couple of times,

and nothing happened.

He was always making an excuse,

and then out of nowhere
he stopped talking to me.

We haven't talked
in three weeks.

Is he real?
Is he not?

So I searched off his picture...

♪ ♪

And he's not the guy
in the pictures.

- You found that out?
- Yeah.

- And you didn't know
any of that?

- It's embarra--
it's way embarrassing,

so what am I supposed to do?

- I feel like you could
have still told me.

- You were telling me
that he was a catfish,

and I didn't want to be like,
"Damn, they were right."

I feel like I got played with,

but I still love him.

You build up all these feelings
inside of me,

like, who the hell are you?

- How long were
you guys talking?

- It's crazy.
Like, two months.

- Okay.
- Two weeks ago,

I called his phone,
and nobody picked up.

The next morning I received
a phone call from a woman.

- From Jay's number?
- From Jay's number,

and it said, "Don't be calling
my phone late at night.

I do work early
in the mornings,"

so now my question is:
who is Jay?

Does he have a girl?
What's going on?

- Were you--what was--what was
the last conversation

that you had with him?

- The last conversation
that I had with him,

he was like,

"I'm just going through
a lot of stuff"...

- Don't cry, Jose.
You gonna be fine.

Trust me, you're gonna be fine.

- I just feel like
if things don't work out, like,

I'm gonna close my heart.
I'm gonna close my feelings.

I'm not gonna have
no feelings for nobody.

I'm gonna become
the same coldhearted person

that I was
so I don't get hurt again.

- There's probably
a middle ground

between having your heart
totally closed

and just having it so open

that you'll fall in love

with whatever guy
friends you on Facebook,

but for the time being,

we'll help you figure out
who this guy is.

- Thank you.

- Is there anybody
you can think of?

To tell you the truth.
'Cause of everything

that I put him through.

- What is this, man?

Why would you
do something like that?

Aren't you ashamed
of yourself, bro?

- But then I was like,
"No, Danny forgave me."

- Would it be okay
if I pray for you?

[speaking Spanish].

- Hmm.
We'll look into it.

- So look, you already reverse
image searched the person.

You've already started
your own investigation.

- I already started
my own investigation,

but I didn't know
how to finish it.

I just want to know
if his feelings were real

and why did he leave?

Why did he just
disappear out of nowhere?

- All right, we'll see
what we can do.

- Okay, thank you.

[soft dramatic music]

- I mean, I don't know
what we're gonna find.

This guy was clearly a catfish.

- Well, Jose was
even suspicious.

- Maybe someone saw the episode,
and they thought they were,

like, doing him a favor
and then got in too deep.

On the other hand,
I was sitting there being like,

"There's also a chance that
this could totally work out."

If this guy on the phone
is in the closet and everything,

maybe there is a real
love story there.

- Yeah.

- Who is this guy?

- Okay, let's figure
this out for Jose.

[upbeat music]

Hello.
- Hi.

- Wow, look at these cupcakes.
- [laughs]

Is that gonna help you
figure this out?

- I'm accessing
the Internet right now.

I'm listening
to the millions of voices

around the world
calling out for help.

- Two can play at this game.
- [laughs]

- We need to tap into
the brainwaves of Jay.

- I'm channeling Jose right now,
which is pretty frightening.

Give me your hand.

[dramatic music]

I'm feeling something.
- [laughs]

♪ ♪

- Phew,
think I got some answers.

All right,
so Jose met this guy Jay,

right after a breakup
with his post-catfish boyfriend.

He's getting lots
of friend requests,

and of course, one of them
is this super-handsome,

hot guy, Jay.
Right away, boom,

sparks, texting,
talking all the time,

but two months go by,

and then all of a sudden
out of nowhere Jay...

[exhales]
Disappears.

Now, Jose has some suspicions,
image searches the picture,

and boom, he finds that
it's actually someone else,

so he knows the pictures
are a lie.

- Right.
- The weirdest thing is that

a week after he stopped hearing
from Jay,

he called Jay's phone...
[line ringing]

and a lady picked up and said,
"Please stop calling."

- Right.
- Jose is suspicious

that it could be
someone from his past,

could be Danny.

He's really been hurt by this.

- What is this, man?

Why would you do
something like that?

- We don't think
he's behind this,

but I just want to make sure
that there's no more doubt.

- Let's reach out to Danny.

[line ringing]

- Hello, Danny?
- Danny!

- Who is this?

- How is everything?

- Awesome.

- You won't believe
why we're calling.

- Remember your
old friend, Jose?

- Essentially, Jose has been
getting catfished,

and he thought maybe
it could have been you,

you know, getting revenge.

- That's what we were thinking.

- All right, thanks, buddy.
See you later.

- Bye, Danny.

Okay, so Danny doesn't know
anything about this.

- Don't sound like it.
All right.

Let's see what we got here.
So we got an email from Jose.

"Hey, Nev and Max,
Jay told me he's 28,

lives in Pennsylvania,
and worked in construction.

This is the number
I have for him now."

- Yeah, he works
in constructing lies.

- Good one.
So he's had two phone numbers,

not a good sign.

"He's not the guy in the photos,

but I love whoever
I am talking to."

All right, so, okay.
- Let's run the numbers.

- Here's the first one.

- Oh.

- No hit for that number.
Interesting.

- 716 is a upstate
New York area code.

- The fact that
he has a 716 number

suggests that he's
upstate New York.

- And both numbers
have been 716.

- Correct.
- So the whole thing about

him being in Pennsylvania
doesn't really make any sense.

Let's try his more
recent number.

- Anthony J-J [bleep].

- Linked to phone
at least one year ago.

- So let's look up
that person on Facebook.

- Oh, one hit.

- Where is this guy?
- He has no information.

- Go to Jay's page

and go to his friends

and see if Anthony [bleep]
is following him.

What have we got?
- Nothing.

He's got 337 friends.

- The majority of these people
are from upstate New York,

Jamestown, New York.
I think we know where Jay is.

- Interestingly,
most of his friends are women.

Where are all the guys?

I mean, if you're trying
to meet gay guys online,

you'd think you'd have
some more gay guy friends

in your Facebook page.

This is, like, 99% women.
- Mm-hmm.

It seems like a profile made
to attract young women.

- Let's just see.
Who's engaging with Jay?

- Yeah, there's this girl, Alea.
- Let's send her a message.

Who else has commented?

We got this person,
they left a comment.

"How have you been?"
says Debra from Jamestown.

- She's from Jamestown.
- Let's send Debra a message.

- Let's reach out to Debra.
- Who else?

- Okay.
- Whoa, look at this.

[Bleep] said, "You have
the most beautiful eyes,"

and Jay wrote back,
"Thanks, love."

He's flirting with women.
Strange.

Let's hit this girl up.
All right, boom, messaged.

Okay, so here's an idea.
[cell phone rings]

- And he--oh.
- Jeez, Lancaster?

- That's Pennsylvania.
- Yeah.

Yes, hi, who's this?

- Alea, hello.

This is Nev.
How are you?

- Great, thanks.
We're making an episode

of our show, "Catfish,"

and you're friends

with someone named
Jay on Facebook.

Do you know who that is?

- He--

- Yeah.

- Well, the truth is Jay
is not the guy in the pictures.

- You know, I'm sorry
to be the bearer of bad news.

- But we're on the case.

- Yeah, thanks for your help.

- Okay, bye-bye.
- Bye, Alea.

- Weird.

- Why is he inviting
random girls

to come to California?

- This catfish has been
using these fake pictures,

flirting with women,

encouraging them
to move across the country.

- Who is this guy?
What does he want?

Why is he talking to Jose?

- If we don't figure out
who this guy is,

there's really no saying
how many people could get hurt.

- So someone's catfishing Jose.

It's pretty safe to say
that this person

saw Jose on the show.
- That's what I think.

We know that
this guy was talking to

and flirting with women,

so I don't know
how Jose's gonna take it.

Oh.
- Hey.

How you guys doing?
- We're good.

How are you?
- Look at those Tims.

- Yeah, you're in your work
outfit, look at that.

- I w--I just got out of work
not that long ago.

- Okay, should we get back
to business?

- Back to business..

- All right.
We called Danny to check in,

and we don't think
he's behind this.

I don't--I know
you don't either.

He was surprised,
and, you know,

offered to help
in any way that he could.

So we really only had the phone
numbers and the Facebook page,

so the first thing we did
was we looked up the number,

and it came back
registered to someone

named Anthony J [bleep].

We looked up to see if we could
find an Anthony J on Facebook,

and we only got this one page,

and it doesn't look like
it's related,

so we don't know who that is,
but one thing is for sure.

The area code
for both phone numbers

that he's had
since you've known him

are New York.
- Upstate New York.

- Not Pennsylvania,
so that would be weird

for someone living
in Pennsylvania--

- To get a new phone number
with a New York area code.

- Right, strange.
The next thing we did

was we went
to Jay's Facebook page.

The first thing
that seemed strange to us was

that most of
his friends are women.

- And a large majority
of these people

are from Jamestown, New York.

- Yeah, see?
Jamestown, New York.

- And then we just went to some
of his more recent posts,

and we went and saw, like,
who was liking the pictures

and who was leaving comments.

[Bleep] said, "You have
the most beautiful eyes,"

and Jay wrote back,
"Thanks, love."

That feels
a little bit like flirting,

so we reached out
to a bunch of them,

and we got a call
from this girl, Alea,

and this is where things started
to get a little sketchy.

Alea told us that,
similarly to you,

she got a friend request
from Jay.

He was very flirty,

and after, like, two days
he said to her,

"Move to California,
and we should be together."

She said, like, "That's crazy.

"I don't even know
who you are yet.

No thanks,"
but he was flirting with her,

and he told her
he lived in California.

- That's [bleep] nuts.
Like, it's [bleep] crazy.

- And why is he talking to girls
for two days

and then inviting them out
to California

when "A," he might
not be out there,

and B, he might not like girls?

- Right.
- What's going on?

- I mean, my question
is what are you trying to do?

Like, obviously,
you could be bi-curious,

or you're just bored
and don't have a life

and don't know what to do.

- Did he tell you
he was bisexual?

- He told me that he was gay,

that the only reason that
he didn't come out fully yet,

'cause he didn't want
to tell his mother.

- Right.

- I just wish he was
in front of my face

just so I can ask him
all these questions

because only one person
can answer them.

Right now I regret everything
that I did to Danny.

I regret everything
that I put him through

'cause it--it sucks.

It really sucks.

[melancholy music]

- Now you understand
how Danny felt.

♪ ♪

- ♪ I feel it in the underflow ♪

[vocalizing]

♪ I feel it
in the underflow... ♪

- You okay?
- I'm all right.

♪ ♪

My confusion in my head
is what is he?

Is he bisexual, bi-curious?

Is he really gay like he said
that he was,

or is he just--you know, this is
a--everything was a game to him?

- ♪ And I feel it
in the underflow... ♪

- It seems like everything
is just a game or something.

Like, he just want to go around

and see how many people
he can really hurt.

- Why?
Like, why are you doing this?

Like, and then you disappear
out of nowhere?

What, did you find
a new victim or something?

I don't know
what's going on, you know?

You guys--you guys can sit.
- Come on, come on.

- I just feel like I was lied to
about every single thing.

I feel like everything
that I told him

that I been through,
that's what he's telling me.

I feel like he just told me that

he been through
a bad time childhood.

Basically, he's telling me
what I want to hear.

That's what I feel.

- At this point,
it's time to take action.

- Right.
- So let's call the number.

- Yeah.

[line ringing]

- [whispers] That's him.
- Yeah, hey, Jay?

- How you doing, man?
My name is Nev,

and I am making an episode
of the TV show "Catfish."

I'm here with Max and Jose,
and he's been a little confused.

He's been a little worried,

not sure why he hasn't
heard from you,

so here's the situation.

We--Jose figured out

that you're not the guy
in the pictures.

- But you guys really seemed
to care about each other,

and he wasn't sure
why you stopped talking to him.

- Okay, so what--what happened?

- [crying softly]

- Okay.

Well, are you
in Pennsylvania?

Are you in New York?
We're not sure where you're at.

- All right, well--well,
so here's--here's the situation.

Jose is a really good guy.

He really has feelings for you.

I don't know what feelings
you have for him,

but I think it would mean
a lot to him

if we could meet up with you,

and you could explain things
a little bit more

and let us know
what's been going on.

- What is your hesitation?
What are you worried about?

- Is that because
you don't care about him

and you don't like him,
or is that because

you're worried
he might be upset?

Like--

- He doesn't really care
about what you look like.

Like, that's not a big deal.

He wasn't that upset
when he found out

that you weren't
the guy in the pictures.

Like, what he really cares about
is that he feels like

you guys had a good thing going,

and then you just
sort of ghosted on him.

- It means a lot to me
if you really come over here.

I just want to know the truth

at this moment.

[dramatic music]

- Okay, that's fine.

We just want to let
you and Jose meet each other.

- Okay, so we're
in Hartford, Connecticut.

I guess you know where that is?

- Well, tomorrow would be ideal

'cause it's already
kind of late.

- I don't know how far
or what's involved,

but I assume you could be here
by tomorrow, right?

- Okay, thank you.

- Hopefully he's definitely
willing to come,

and hopefully he does come
and keep his word.

- He's definitely hiding
something from you.

He's hiding something
from his community.

He doesn't want us
showing up with cameras,

but he cares enough
to come meet you,

so we'll see,
see if he shows up.

- Yeah, I don't really
know what to expect.

It could go any way.

- Did you wake up like that?
- I slept in this outfit.

This is how I sleep.

I'm ready.
I'm always just ready to--

ready to go.
RTG.

- Well, it sounds like
whoever Jay is,

he just seems, like, conflicted.
I don't know about what.

- Or maybe he's part of
a bigger thing.

Maybe a friend of Jose's

saw that he was heartbroken
from his breakup and was like,

"Ah, let's cheer him up,"
and they invented Jay.

- Maybe it's-
- Jasmine.

- Jasmine.
- Don't cry, Jose.

You gonna be fine.

- And then she was like,
"I need a guy's voice,"

and some guy was like,
"Fine, I'll do it."

Could it have been that
other friend who Skyped with us?

- I'm Ellae.
- LA like the city?

- Yeah.
- No, it's not his voice.

- All right, well, look.

Right now we need to find out

is this mystery man really here?

He said--I mean,
it was so vague,

like, "Yeah, I'll meet you."
- Right.

Every other time
someone says they'll meet us,

it's 'cause they're here.
- It sounds like he's around.

Let's see if Jay
is in the house.

[suspenseful music]

"Hey, Jay, did you
make it to Hartford?

Can we meet up this afternoon?"

[cell phone swishes]

All right.
What do you think?

You think this guy's gonna--
- I don't know.

I think it's 50/50
that this guy shows up.

- Yeah.
- But I bet Jose's a wreck.

- All right, we got a mystery.

- Who is this guy?

What's he gonna say?
What's his deal?

- Is he gonna show up?

- Was he here all along?

- Is it someone
Jose already knows?

- Is he gay,
or was he playing a joke?

[cell phone swishes]
both: Oh.

- What do we got?
- "Hey, I just landed."

- Whoa.
- "So where do I meet you?"

I'm saying, "Nice, we're going
over to Jose's right now,

and we'll text a location."
[cell phone swishes]

All right, plan is made.
- Wow.

Here we go.

Perfect day
to find out the truth.

[upbeat music]

Hey.
- Hey.

I got your snacks too.
- Oh, yeah.

- Hey-o!
- Hey.

- It's not much,
but it's something.

- How are you doing today?
- I'm doing good.

- Yeah?
- Just, like, kind of worried,

you know, 'cause now
I'm really getting a little,

you know, anxious,

like, to finally see
who this person is.

- I kind of kept thinking maybe

there's someone else involved,
like Jasmine.

After the episode aired,
you had a boyfriend,

and then that ended.

You were upset,

and someone, like Jasmine,

who saw that you were upset

and wanted to make sure
you didn't, like,

get depressed and fall apart

thought, like, "Oh, man,
I better cheer him up,"

and maybe it snowballed.
It feels like--

- If that's what happened,
I think our friendship is over.

- But look,
this is probably the--

the least we've known
about someone going into it,

but what we do know
is that we told Jay,

if that's really his name,

that when we got here
we would check in with you

and then let him know
where we're going,

so why don't we pick
a nice public--

- Park or something?
- Park, great, so let's see.

Here's a good one.

Yeah, there's a nice
lake not too far from here.

All right, well,
that's ten minutes away,

so that's perfect.
Let me text him.

"Hey, Jay,
why don't you meet us

at McCutcheon Park?"

[cell phone swishes]
And let's see...

- If there's a response.

Is he really here?
Did he really show up?

I hope he's just
not wasting my time.

[cell phone swishes]
- Oh, wait, we got something.

- He said,
"Okay, I can do that."

Let's do it.
- Let's go to the park.

- Here goes nothing.

[soft dramatic music]

If Jay has, like,
an explanation for what happened

and he is a guy that's gay
and has feelings for you,

do you think you want to try
and pursue something?

- I mean, I can't say
that I will feel nothing for him

because obviously I do.

Obviously, I know that
it's not him in the picture,

but hopefully, like,
everything that he said is true.

- And you will give him
a second chance?

- And I will give him
a second chance,

but it can always turn around
and be something else, so...

You know, I can't say
how I'm gonna react

until I'm actually
in front of him.

[speaking Spanish].

Give me patience, lord.

[suspenseful music]

- Ready to do this?
- [sighs]

♪ ♪

Is that--
- Huh?

- Could that be--

- Maybe so.

- That looks like
a two-car operation though.

- I mean, he's gonna have
to drive up, right?

- You all right?
- Yeah, I'm all right.

- Here comes another car.
- Wait.

- Okay, looks like an Uber
or something, right?

- Do you know whose car that is?
- No, but it's coming this way.

♪ ♪

- There's only someone driving.

- One person, right?
- Yeah, one guy.

- There's only one person
in the car.

- Someone's coming.
Someone's coming right now.

- He's coming this way?

- Do you know this person?
Who is that?

- Don't tell me.
- Do you know this guy?

- You know who that is?

[suspenseful music]

- Someone's coming.
Someone's coming right now.

- He's coming this way?

- One person, right?
- Yeah.

- Oh, no, wait a second.

Do you know this guy?

- You know who that is?

- No, but obviously
he's walking this way.

♪ ♪

Oh, you [bleep].

both: Hello.

- What's up, man?
- What's up?

- I'm Nev.
- Jose.

- Jose?
- Yeah.

- Same first name.
- Yeah.

How are you doing?
- Max.

- Max.
- You're Jay, right?

- Yeah.

- All right.

- Did you just fly here?

- Yeah, I just got here
not so long ago.

- Did you really fly here?
- Yeah.

- From?
- Buffalo.

- How old are you?
- I'm 20.

- Okay.

- So why did you disappear
for three weeks?

- Well, just, like,
it got too serious.

It got too real.
I didn't want to do all this.

- You didn't want
to do all this?

- No.
- Okay, so you just disappear

for three weeks--you couldn't--
- I mean, like, as in, like--

- You couldn't just told me
that you were okay?

You couldn't just told me
that you--you know,

I was worried thinking that
something happened to you, okay?

So you could have just told me
that you were okay.

You didn't have to disappear
for three [bleep] weeks.

[soft dramatic music]

- Try to--try to hang.

- This is not what
I wanted to do, you know?

You--it kind of went
too far, you know?

I'm not homosexual,
like, you know?

I'm a straight guy.
I have a girlfriend.

- So your feelings
were never there?

- Oh, perfect.
- So, wait.

so why did you talk
to Jose at all?

I was bored.
I wanted to be somebody else.

- There was one girl
we talked to

that said that Jay invited her

to move to California.

- Right.

- And you guys
made a connection.

- Hold on.

You saw that
he made another profile?

- Rosa Cfish.
When people saw the episode,

you know, they liked the voice.

I mean,
I don't know what's going on.

You know, so they started
asking me to, you know,

make--make funny videos,
you know?

Like, make skits.

Yes, yes, yes, yes!

I'm excited
that you guys are here.

- You didn't like that...
- I don't like that.

- He was having fun
and goofing around?

- It's not about having fun,
but I was like,

you're taking it as a joke, man.

That's wrong to me.

- It's a character.
- Yeah, but--

- I mean, it's--
- Okay, but why is he doing it?

- So you decided the friendship
that you were building--

- That's it, it's done.
It's done. It's over with.

- It's done, so you continued
to talk to him

because you wanted what?
What was the intention?

- It was just to troll him,
to bother him, you know,

for, like--for the stupid--
stupid [bleep] he did.

It's all fake, man.
It's all fake.

It's all bullcrap.
- That's--

to talk to someone
for two months,

were your feelings
ever more than that?

- No, just--no, nothing,
never, never.

- I will never care
for nobody again.

I will never love--

I'm just gonna end up
closing myself

just to be away
from everything and everybody.

♪ ♪

- You talk to this guy.
- Did you know

how strong his feelings were?
- It was getting too intense,

Talking about marriage
and stuff.

You know, I was like,
"I don't want to do that.

"I'm not gay.

I don't want to do
any of this stuff, man."

- I'll be wrong
if I just go over there

and slap the [bleep]
out of him,

smack fire, at his--

[crying]

like--I [bleep] hate him.
I [bleep] hate everybody.

I just want to be alone.

He played me like--like
if I was a [bleep] toy,

and then he put me back
on the [bleep] shelf.

Like, that's all he did.
He don't give a [bleep].

- During those months,
were you conflicted

in sort of feeling like,
"Okay,

"I am mad at him
for making that profile,

but I also still think
he's a good guy?"

- Yeah, yeah,
'cause I kind of felt like, man,

me and him can do something.

We can go out,
you know, and chill, relax.

- But you initially said
this was all a joke and a game.

That's not actually true.
- Yeah.

- You felt that there was a
genuine connection between you.

- Yeah.
- Okay.

Look, I know this wasn't easy.

Jose is pretty upset.

I think there's a little bit
more we can talk about,

but maybe not right now.

We can meet back up tomorrow.

- Okay.
- All right.

- All right.
- I'll see you tomorrow.

♪ ♪

- It's not easy just to find out
that everything was a joke,

but I know that I can't be mad
at him because I did it myself.

You know,
it just feels different

being on the other side.

- You don't have to be
the victim here.

Look, Danny was in a position

when he found out
that it was you.

He understood the situation
right away.

He said, "This guy,
he needs help.

I'm gonna say a prayer for him."

He really made a choice,

and I think that you can make
a similar choice.

- You seem like you're
in a better mood today.

- I am in a better mood,
you know?

Yesterday I was, like,
so mad I basically

just felt hate towards Jose,

but at the end of the day,
you know, I understand,

you know,
that he had a rough life,

you know, just like I did,

so I can't be mad
at the guy forever, you know?

- Let's reach out to him.
- "Good morning, Jose.

"Hope you're feeling better.
We are with Jose,

"and he wanted
to invite you over to talk.

Can you meet us at his house?"

[cell phone swishes]

[soft dramatic music]

[cell phone swishes]
He said, "Yeah, I can do that.

Let me know where that is."

- Okay.
- He saw you as a strong person

to not just come out
as a catfish

but come out as someone

who had been a victim of abuse
as a kid,

as someone
who's coming out as gay.

It took a lot of courage
to do what you did,

and he saw you as someone

who can help him
with his problem.

- I really want to hear him out.

[knocks on door]
- Oh.

- Hi.
- Hey, what's up?

- Hey, man.
- Hello.

- Jose.
- Yeah, pretty good.

both: Good morning.

- Morning.
How you doing?

both: Good morning.

- Have a seat over here.

All right.
How was your night?

How'd you feel just sort of
about yesterday?

- It is rough, man,
'cause I'm going through

some things myself.

- You mentioned yesterday
a couple times that,

like, you were in
a real bad place.

Why were you in
such a rough spot?

- Okay, I grew up
without a father figure.

My dad was never there for me,

so back in, you know--back
when I was a teenager and stuff,

I was skipping school.
I wasn't going to school.

I was wild.
I was, you know,

drinking alcohol
at 15, 16 years old.

I was young.

It turned into
one night drinking alcohol

into multiple days of the week,

multiple, you know, weeks,
every single day of the month,

and it's like you get
stuck in a maze, you know?

Then I ended up
seeing his episode.

- Use this experience
to kind of--

- Yeah.
- So, like, I reached out to him

'cause I wanted some advice.
I wanted to be good.

I wanted to be happy.

- And so you didn't use
your profile.

- No 'cause I felt like they
were gonna judge me back home.

Oh, you know, "You're gay.
Why you talking to a guy?"

- Right.
- Me and him had a connection.

Like, not talking about
sexual or--friendship.

We been through the same things,

so I feel like
he's not gonna judge me.

- Okay, so you felt
that you were stuck?

- Yeah.

- And that you'd been
drinking your problems--

- Yeah.

- So part of your anger
towards the Rosa Cfish profile

was that he seemed like this guy
who had his stuff together?

- Yeah, together, and then he
was like--it was, like, a lie.

- And then you saw him drunk,
and you judged him

because you had
your own issues with alcohol?

- Yeah.
- But whatever reason

you're gonna give me or yourself

for why you continued
talking to Jose,

it doesn't change the fact that
you continued talking to Jose.

- Yeah, I understand.
- And I'm not saying

that suggests
that maybe you are gay

or anything like that,
but you went the distance.

- Yeah, I went--
yeah, I understand.

- You're here now.
- Yeah.

- Fate has brought you guys
in front of each other,

so it would be awesome
if you guys started getting

the thing you originally wanted
from each other,

which is a meaningful
connection.

- Okay, we can have a real talk.
- Yeah, we'll all step out.

- Okay.

♪ ♪

- We all make mistakes.

You know,
we all have to go through things

so we can learn, you know,

so we can get stronger,
you know, basically.

- Yeah.
- And I'm not gonna say,

you know, that I'm not hurt
'cause really, I am,

you know,
but if you ever need a friend,

you ever need somebody
to talk to, hit me up.

- Okay, I'll do that.
- You know, I just hope

that everything
is better with you,

you know,
and you can find peace.

- Yeah.

- You know, Danny prayed for me,

so I feel like I should
do the same thing for you.

- I appreciate it.
- You know?

Dear lord, thank you
for letting this happen.

Thank you for--
even though that it--

things didn't happen the way
that I expected them to happen,

you know, I hope the same way
that you gave me peace,

the same way that
you filled my heart

with love and with hope again,

you know, I just hope
that you help him.

Amen.

- Amen.

- What's up, guys?
How'd it go?

- It went really good, man.
I'm glad that--

- We got to open up.
We got to open up a little bit.

- Oh, yeah?
- Wasn't expecting this,

but I just want to say
I appreciate it

for, you know,
accepting my apology

and for, you know,
you guys, you know,

helping me out with this.
You know, it means a lot to me.

- Looks like a nice place

to leave it for now then?
both: Yeah.

- ♪ You and I
we dreamed a dream ♪

- Take care.
- All right, dude.

Good luck with everything.
- Thank you, man.

- Bye.
- Take care.

- All right, thank you.
- Get home safe.

- Thank you.

- Proud of you, man.
That was good.

- I'm proud of myself too.
You know, I never thought

that I was gonna be able
to forgive something like that.

- You're a powerful man.
- Have a good one.

- All right.
- Take care.

- We'll see you next season.
- [laughs]

- Maybe.

- Wow, Jose found a way

to forgive Jose.
- ♪ I'll never let this go ♪

- It's so poetic,
catfish helping catfish.

It's nice when it ends that way.

- ♪ I'll do this on my own ♪

[Skype call ringing]

- Hey, hola.

- Hey, Jose!

- What's going on?
How are you doing?

- Everything's good.

Like, it's very good.

- What's been going on with you

since your second
"Catfish" episode?

- I'm still in contact
with Jose.

He's doing good as well.
- That's amazing.

Are you friends?
- I can't say that

we're friends, friends,
friends, you know,

but we--we talk, you know,

and we give each other advice.
- That's nice.

Are you still a little hurt
from the whole thing?

- I'm not total, you know,
thoroughly recovered from that.

- All right, well, thanks, Jose.
Good seeing you again.

- Thank you, guys.
- Okay, adios.

- Adios.
[Skype call ringing]

- Hey, what's up?
- Hey, what's up, man?

- I'm pretty good.
I got good things happening now.

I got a job working
at a warehouse.

Nice.
- Sweet.

- You seem a lot happier than,

you know,
you were when we met you.

- And has the other Jose
helped you with that at all?

- That's amazing.

- It sounds like things
are going really well.

- That's great.
- Yup.

- We're happy it worked out,
and best of luck.

- Thank you.
You too, guys.

I appreciate it.
- All right, later.

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