Catfish: The TV Show (2012–…): Season 5, Episode 2 - Jeanette & Derick - full transcript
Mama doesn't always know best. Concerned daughter, Shuntay, enlists the help of Nev and Max after her mother, Jeanette, begins talking about marriage and uprooting her family to be with a man who refuses to meet in person.
>> And we're still driving
into the woods.
This person lives in the middle
of nowhere.
>> This is not Atlanta.
That seems to be another lie.
>> Oh, gosh.
[dramatic music]
**
I'm scared.
I'm a good mother.
I'm a good friend.
[knocking at door]
>> Looking for Derick.
>> That's me.
>> And I don't think
I deserve this.
[upbeat music]
**
>> Should we make another
episode of "Fatfish"?
I know it's nice to sit around,
but people need our help.
>> How do you keep your legs
so skinny?
>> [sighs]
You know what time it is.
Email time.
Oh, this is a good subject.
"I'm sick of hearing the lies
and excuses.
Hi Nev, and Max.
My name is Shuntay..."
>> Shuntay!
>> "I'm 21.
My mom, Jeanette, and I live
together in Orlando, Florida,
and I'm concerned about someone
my mom has been talking to."
>> All right.
>> Oh, a mom episode.
>> Finally, yeah!
Her mom is probably our age.
>> Okay, anyway,
"My mom's falling in love
with this guy Derick,
who she has never met.
They met on PlentyOfFish,
and they have been talking
for about seven months now.
My mom has never really done
this whole online thing,
but it was something
about Derick that really made
her want to give it a try."
>> * Oh, oh, fantasy take me
* Over and break me
>> "She wrote him basically
giving him a compliment
on his picture, and ever since
that day, they've been writing
each other nonstop."
>> * I've been looking *
* For the conqueror
* But you don't seem *
* To come my way
>> "My mom always tells me
that Derick is so different
from the guys in her past.
He's actually talking
about marriage and sounds
genuine about it.
>> * Oh, oh
* But there's no seduction *
* Only destruction
>> "But as serious as it's
getting, he's not met my mom
or even shown his face
on video chat."
>> You know what that means.
>> He has no face.
>> [laughs]
>> "When my mom asks to meet
Derick, he always says he is
busy with work and he's sorry.
We need to find out
what's holding Derick back
from seeing my mom.
Shuntay."
>> Whoa.
>> We've had a mom concerned
about her son, but I don't think
we've had a child concerned
about their mom.
>> A new leaf
that we're turning over.
>> Yeah, let's Shuntay
on the line.
[phone ringing]
>> both: Hey!
>> Hey Shuntay, how are you?
>> I'm good, how are you?
>> Great.
Have you always lived
in Orlando?
>> No, I moved a lot.
>> Oh.
>> My mom, she's the type
of person, she likes to always
be on the go.
>> So she's a criminal?
>> No, she's not a criminal.
>> Do you still live with her?
>> Yeah, I do.
We're, like, really close.
>> We just read your email
about your mom and Derick.
>> Can you tell us the story
of how they met?
>> The met on PlentyOfFish,
and she had messaged him first,
"You're really cute,"
and a couple months later,
she felt comfortable enough
to give her number to him.
That's, like, when the feelings
started getting stronger.
>> Are you around when
she talks to him on the phone?
>> They're, like,
really lovey-dovey.
Always, like, saying
they love each other,
planning their future.
This is, like,
something major for her.
>> Where does Derick live?
>> Atlanta.
>> Has she gone to Atlanta
to meet up with him?
>> No.
He's always making up excuses.
It's like, "Oh,
I'm sorry, babe."
Like, "You know my schedule.
I'm just busy.
I'm sorry.
Oh, no, babe, you know,
the weather's cold."
He just always has an excuse.
It's like, "Ugh."
But I believe my mom,
she really likes Derick,
'cause Derick is accepting
to the fact that I have a baby.
[upbeat music]
*
She never had anybody, like,
accept all of us.
>> Wow.
>> The whole package.
>> So Derick's
talked about you guys
all being a family?
>> Nonstop.
I'm, like, really overprotective
of my mom.
I feel like it's switched, like,
I'm the mama bear, and I'm just,
like, trying to protect my cubs.
>> Does your mom know
that you've reached out to us?
>> Yes, so she knows.
>> Whatever helps your mom
meet Derick,
she's probably happy about.
>> Yeah.
>> All right, we're coming
down to Orlando.
>> Okay, bye.
>> Bye.
>> She's sweet.
>> They would be a family.
>> What's great about this
episode is that it's the first
time we're actually helping
a grandmother.
>> That's true.
Let's do this.
>> Get your stuff together.
>> Here we go.
>> * Down, down, down, down
* In a world this wide
* We feel limited
>> Why do you have a camera now?
This was not part of the deal.
[upbeat music]
*
>> Orlando, we are in the house.
Jeanette, this is her first time
really putting herself
out there online,
which we know can be
a great way to meet people,
but if you get burned
on your first try--
>> You're gonna be less likely
to put yourself out there again.
Jeanette probably can't imagine
the lengths people would go to
to lie about who they are
on the internet.
>> Right.
>> This might be
a rude awakening.
>> There it is.
>> Ready?
>> Yep.
*
>> Hey.
>> Hello.
>> How are you?
>> I'm good.
>> Here's the crew.
>> Hey, guys.
>> Can we come in?
>> Yes.
>> All right, let's go--whoa.
>> Oh, my God,
is this your sister?
>> This can't be your mom.
>> This is your mom?
>> Wait, are you catfishing us
right now?
>> No.
>> If I may ask,
how old are you?
>> I'm actually 40.
>> 40 never looked so good.
>> Thank you.
>> Exactly.
>> Yeah, can't wait
to turn 40 now.
[laughter]
Well, let's sit down
and start chatting.
>> I'm not used to being
around this many handsome men.
>> We do have a few handsome men
in here.
You guys can go out together,
and you can be her wingman.
>> I wouldn't hang with her.
She can't hang with me.
I just turned 21.
>> Oh, that's true.
>> Her friends be trying
to holler at me sometimes.
>> I had posted a photo
of me and my mom on my Facebook.
Some of my friends
tried to add her.
I said, "Deny.
You is not gonna add my mom."
>> Have you seen our show?
>> I actually didn't
see your show till my daughter
brought it to my attention.
I was like "Whoa, this kind of
sound a little familiar."
>> You met on PlentyOfFish?
>> Yes.
>> Right, you set up account.
>> Account.
>> Like, what made you
want to do that?
>> Working so much and stuff
and then, you know,
you get lonely,
you want companionship.
And I came across Derick, and I
was like, "Ooh, he's sexy."
*
But it took forever
for him to respond back.
Kept checking my phone,
kept checking my phone.
The finally he responds, like,
"How you doing?"
And I was like "Bam."
I reeled him in.
He's into my family.
He wants a family with me.
He's accepting of my daughter.
He's accepting of the baby.
My feelings for Derick
have grown stronger,
like, I love him.
He makes me feel like I'm
the only woman in the world.
>> I mean, it sounds perfect.
>> We've talked about marriage.
>> Really?
>> Yes, and then last night
he was like, "Zales has a sale."
"Like, on what?"
He's like "Oh, rings."
>> Really?
Are you looking
to have more kids?
>> We've talked about it.
>> And you're up for it?
>> I'm open to it.
>> Still open for business?
[laughter]
>> Exactly.
>> How old is this gentleman?
Uh-oh.
>> 27.
>> Oh.
>> But he's so mature,
like, I don't even
think about his age.
>> What else do you know
about him, I mean?
>> He drives forklift,
he lost his mom
when he was a teenager,
and he longs for a close
relationship with his family.
>> We'd love to see a picture
of this guy.
>> Okay.
>> Do you have it on your phone?
>> Here's a picture.
>> Handsome topless guy alert.
Got the abs, yeah.
>> This guy looks like a model.
>> Could be a model.
>> Yeah.
>> He got, like, a little
baby face kind of.
>> That guy doesn't look like
he drives a forklift.
What's his voice like?
>> Sexy.
[laughter]
>> I get turned on.
>> Oh yeah?
How turned on do your
phone calls get?
>> Keep it PG-13.
>> Mm-hmm.
>> You be trying to get up
in my little business.
I see that.
>> Why are you so nosy?
>> [laughs]
>> Mm-hmm.
>> And how far is it from here
to Atlanta?
>> Six hours, I believe.
>> Yeah, about six.
>> The idea of one of you
driving to the other
or even meeting halfway is
something that you've
talked about?
>> Yeah, I've discussed it
a couple times.
"Oh, babe, I got to work
that weekend."
I was like, "We can make
an arrangement, kind of.
All you got to do is just
ask for that day off.
Just let me know.
Get the day off,
and I'll try to, you know,
get those days off with you."
But--
>> He's not making the time.
>> Right, right.
>> And why do you think that is?
>> Maybe he has a girlfriend,
maybe he's married.
>> And then you've tried
to talk with him on video chat?
>> Yes, first time it was like,
"Oh, babe, there's something
wrong with my camera.
But you looking good, though."
I'm like, "But I can't see you,
so it's not fair."
>> What do you see
when you're...
>> It's just, like,
a black screen.
>> Just totally black?
>> Yeah.
If he wasn't who he say he is,
I will be pissed off, because,
like, I've shared my life
with him.
He's spoken on the phone with
my daughter before, you know?
I've been getting, like,
frustrated, like, "Babe."
>> And I'm getting frustrated
too, hearing about it.
>> But I do want to see him.
Like, I want him to hold me.
You know, I want him to tell me
everything is okay,
look him in his eyes
and just, you know,
just have our life together.
>> When we do our research,
if it's okay, maybe I'll borrow
your daughter, and we'll then
all report back to you
as part of Team Jeanette.
>> We'll find out.
>> We'll find out.
>> Okay.
All right, guys, thanks.
>> Bye.
>> both: Bye.
>> I think that she thinks
she's getting her cake
and eating it too.
She's got the super sexy,
hot guy...
>> Young.
>> Who also happens to be
a very mature, caring,
sensitive person who wants to
take care of her, her child,
and her grandkid.
>> And Shuntay, obviously
if her mom ends up
moving to Atlanta,
she's going to Atlanta.
All of their lives are very much
wrapped up in this guy.
>> If he turns out to not be
who he says he is,
it's gonna really mess her up.
>> I love this place.
Orlando is, like,
a child's fantasy of what
a city should be: roads
connecting amusement parks.
>> [laughs]
>> It's incredible.
>> So Shuntay and Jeanette.
>> Daughter, mother,
even though they look
like they're siblings.
>> I spoke to Shuntay
this morning.
She is at a coffee shop,
so we'll meet her there.
Let's see what we can
figure out.
>> This place is awesome.
>> Hi.
>> How are you?
>> I'm good.
>> All right, have a seat,
have a seat.
Okay, your mom sent us an email
that says "Hey, guys!
I am ready for some answers."
Whoo!
>> Exactly.
>> "I've attached all the photos
I have of Derick to this email.
I appreciate whatever results
you may have, whether it be
good or bad."
All right, so we've got
seven photos.
>> Mainly selfies.
>> Right.
>> Which is--
>> Never a good sign.
>> No.
>> We've got his phone number--
>> He's got an Atlanta
area code; that's a good sign.
>> We've got his Facebook.
Okay, you guys ready
to dive into this?
>> Yes.
>> Let's go to his
Facebook page.
>> All right, here we go.
Derick [bleep].
Boom, let's see.
He's got a lot of friends,
and a lot of them are ladies.
>> Let's look at his
information first.
>> All right,
so general laborer.
Lives in Atlanta.
>> He's from Atlanta.
>> Says he's in a relationship.
He just posted a couple days
ago, "Just one of them nights."
>> So he has a Snapchat.
>> Oh, yeah.
Well, that's interesting,
'cause this is a front-facing
camera photo, which means that
his front-facing camera works.
>> Mm-hmm.
>> So that's bogus.
He's got a lot of pictures.
Okay, well let's download
all of these.
Well, that's, like,
a very model shot.
>> Yeah.
>> Well, why don't we
image search the photos?
>> You want to?
I think we should probably.
>> This will be the moment
of truth, I think.
>> All right, so let's start
with this one, see if we
get anything.
>> both: Oh!
>> We got it; we got a hit.
>> The first picture we got--
>> Who's Jeremale?
>> Jeremale?
>> Jeremale?
>> Somebody comes up a bunch
on "broh_usexxy" Tumblr page,
and there's an Instagram.
>> And a Twitter.
>> Let's go to this Instagram.
>> This is not looking good.
>> Here he is.
>> This is it.
>> A lot of followers.
So this looks--
>> He's got 13,000 followers.
>> And there's a picture.
>> Here are some of the pictures
that your mom has seen,
but, like, way more.
>> Yeah, that is very weird.
>> This--and wait, 2016.
He's class of '16.
Dude, your mom is in love
with a high school senior.
>> Mm, wow.
>> Oh, man.
>> This is not good news.
>> This is gonna crush your mom.
>> Oh, my God.
>> But that's the guy
in the pictures.
>> That's definitely him.
>> Which is not the guy
she's talking to.
>> Wait a second, so let's
check out Twitter just to
confirm that Instagram
account's even real.
>> See what he be talking about.
>> Here's a tweet.
He's got people tagged in this.
>> "Happy birthday, bro.
Anthony."
>> It seems like
his real Twitter.
>> Oh yeah, look [bleep].
HHS, right, right, right.
>> He's graduating next year.
We can almost safely say
that this is not the guy
your mom is talking to.
>> I know my mom's gonna be
really sad about this.
>> So we think we've identified
the mask.
Now it's about figuring out
who the real person your mom
is talking to is.
>> Yeah.
>> Only thing we have
that we know is real
is his phone number.
>> All right, let's see what
happens when we search
his phone number.
>> Whoa!
>> Whoa!
>> It gave us Derica [bleep].
>> Same last name.
Wait a second.
>> Oh, shucks okay.
>> In Georgia.
Your mom could be talking
to a woman.
Not good for your mom.
>> Oh, my God, this is--no.
>> Could it be a woman?
>> I don't know.
>> You've spoken to him, right?
>> Yeah, his voice is,
like, kind of deep.
>> We've seen an episode
where the voice sounds
like the voice of a man,
but it's a really a woman.
>> Oh, I hope not.
I now my mom wouldn't like that.
My mom, she's interested in men,
so a woman pretending to be
a man, that's, like, really big.
>> But what if it's a guy?
Could be a family member
of hers.
>> Yeah, she, he,
whatever it is,
is, like, really playing
with her feelings.
>> Yeah, this is not good.
>> All right, we're gonna have
to break the news to Mom.
She's not gonna be happy.
Not only finding out
that the guy in the pictures
is in high school,
but that she's not talking
to him probably.
>> She's gonna be pretty pissed.
[dramatic music]
*
>> Ready to do this?
>> Yeah, I'm ready.
>> Here we go.
*
>> Hey.
>> Hey.
>> Good to see you.
>> Why don't we all sit down?
As promised,
we did some research.
>> Mm-hmm.
>> And found
some interesting stuff.
Some of it's a little confusing,
some of it's a little upsetting,
but I feel like we're
closer to understanding,
you know, what's going on here
and who you're talking to
for sure.
>> Mm-hmm.
>> All right, so get
the old laptop out.
The first thing we did, we just
went to his Facebook page.
When we look at his page,
there's not a whole lot
in here about him.
Just general laborer
and that he's in a relationship,
but that's really all there is.
But when we go to his timeline,
we thought this was
kind of interesting.
In this picture, Derick is
clearly using his
front-facing camera.
>> Mm-hmm.
>> Which means that it makes
his excuse about not being able
to video chat bogus.
>> But we know that he has
a camera that works.
>> Right.
>> The next thing we did was,
we took all the pictures
that you had sent us,
and we went to image search.
And so we took this first
picture, and immediately we got,
like, a bunch of hits.
>> Wow.
>> The first one is a website
called "broh_usexxy."
So we went to that website,
and here's the picture,
but underneath it, it says
Instagram @jeremale
and Twitter @jeremale.
>> Mm-hmm.
>> So we went to the Instagram
page for Jeremale,
and it's this.
>> It's a lot of pictures.
>> Wow.
>> These are pictures
you haven't seen,
and in this one, it looks like
he's with his best friend.
In this one he's standing
in front of, like, a poster
of him dressed in, like,
his football uniform.
>> Wow.
>> But more than anything,
we got to this picture,
and that's when we realized
something was not right.
>> [sighs]
The kid in this photograph
is in high school.
>> Wow, so that means
about 17 years old.
>> Right, 17, 18,
but he hasn't graduated yet.
>> Wow.
[sighs]
I need a minute.
*
>> You okay?
>> I'm just thinking, like,
is this the person
who I've been talking to?
I'm talking to a baby?
>> In don't think you're talking
to a 17- or 18-year-old kid.
I think you're talking
to someone who's taken pictures
of this 17- or 18-year-old kid.
>> This just--this just a--
this is a lot for me.
To lie to me
for all this time...
>> They're--
>> I'm, like,
really hurt right now.
I'm trying not to cry,
but I just feel like I'm a fool.
>> * You seem friendly
* And I'm all alone *
* All alone
* All alone
* Ooh
>> Let's finish.
>> There's more to--yeah.
>> Oh, God.
Who the hell have I
been talking to?
>> Let's finish.
>> There's more to--yeah.
>> Oh, God.
I can't even look
at this picture right now.
I'm just disappointed.
like, I'm so sorry.
>> Well, why are you sorry?
>> 'Cause he's 17
or 18 years old.
>> Well, this kid is,
but I don't--I think
what we're figuring out
is that you haven't had
any contact with this kid.
>> No?
Well, who the hell
am I talking to?
>> Well, that's what we're
trying to figure out.
Here's where it gets
really weird.
We ran the phone number,
and we got this.
>> Derica [bleep].
>> Which is awfully close
to "Derick," but a female.
>> But I was talking to a guy
on the phone, not a girl.
>> Well, there are a lot
of scenarios that we have come
across where you could be
talking to a guy on the phone,
and that guy is--
>> Relaying the message
from her?
>> Right, is playing the voice
for Derica, or it could be a
woman who has a lower voice
and can drop it even lower
when she talks to you.
We've seen that.
>> It's a lot to try to take in.
I don't even know what to say.
>> Whether it's a man
or a woman, or everything
they've told you is real,
or everything they've told you
is fake, like, you've spent
a lot of time texting
and talking to someone.
>> Yes.
>> And they made you,
for the most part, feel loved,
and I don't think they would
do that if they didn't
care about you.
>> Right.
>> So whoever's behind this
probably has real feelings
for you.
>> Yeah.
>> Why don't I just step
outside, give him a call,
and see if I can convince him
to meet up with us?
>> Okay.
*
[phone ringing]
>> Yeah, hey, is this Derick?
>> Hey, Derick, this is gonna
sound a little strange,
but this is Nev,
the host of "Catfish."
>> I am with Jeanette.
Her daughter, Shuntay,
reached out to us because,
you know, she knows you
and Jeanette have been talking
and trying to meet up and
thought we might
be able to help.
You there?
>> She's really thinking
about moving up to Georgia
and bringing her family and--
>> So what's been
kind of getting in the way?
What's been stopping you guys
from seeing each other?
>> I'm a good mother.
I'm a good grandmother.
I'm a good friend.
And the only thing I shared with
him was my hopes, my dreams.
It's like--
[sighs]
And I don't think
I deserve this.
>> You don't.
>> Jeanette now knows
that you're not
the guy in the pictures that
you've been sending her, and we
know that that's not really you
you on your Facebook page.
Is it--
>> Is your name really Derick?
>> It's not?
Are you 27?
>> I'm sure you can imagine
how upset she is and how
confused she is right now
to learn that the person
she thinks she's been talking to
for the last nine months
is not that person.
>> Well, she feels like she's
wasted a lot of time
and deserves answers.
And if she doesn't get that,
I think she's gonna have to,
you know,
cut you off along the way.
>> All right, well,
I can count on you then,
to send me the address
and to meet us for sure?
>> Okay, well thank you
for speaking with me,
and we'll see you soon.
Okay, he told me that he cares
about you very much,
and he really does want
to build a future together and--
which to me sounded sincere.
So I asked,
"Is your name Derick?"
"No."
I asked him if he's 27.
He said he's 31.
He does live outside Atlanta,
and he does apparently work
at a warehouse,
not that we can really trust
what he says, but he said
he would meet us.
>> [sighs]
>> If you decide to go, I could
find somebody to watch the baby,
and I'll go to support you,
'cause you know I got your back
through it all.
>> Thank you.
I'm hurt, mad as hell,
but I do need some answers.
[sighs]
>> You're gonna be okay.
We'll get through this.
>> Thanks, guys.
>> All right.
>> * Where do we belong
* Where did we go wrong
* If there's nothing here *
* Why are we still here?
* Ha, ha, ha, ha
* Ha, ha, ha, ha
>> The person that
did this is a fool.
>> * We never had enough
* We never had enough
>> As you get older, it becomes
harder and harder
to meet people.
>> And the older you get,
I think the more--
the bigger a scar it leaves.
[gentle piano music]
*
>> Hello, ladies.
>> Hi.
>> Hey.
>> Good morning.
>> How you feeling?
>> It was just hard.
First night is, like,
the rough night.
>> * I've been out of my mind *
* This slow life
* I'm waiting for you *
* To swing me all of your line
>> Ready for a plane ride?
>> No.
We've never flown before.
>> What?
>> Any suggestions
about our first time?
>> It's normal
for your ears to bleed.
>> Stop lying.
>> Whatever you do--
>> I'ma ask somebody else,
'cause ya'll are playing
too much.
>> * Without you
* Can't be on my own *
*Without you *
* I'm a little bit lost *
* Without you
>> [laughs]
Exactly.
* Without you
* Without you
>> Lord Jesus, thank you.
>> How are you feeling?
>> I'm pissed off right now.
Like, the first question
I want to ask is,
why did you do this?
Did you hate me or something?
Did you get a thrill
out of hurting my feelings?
>> We've been in the car
for 30 minutes at least,
and we're still driving.
>> Into the woods.
>> This person lives
in the middle of nowhere.
This is not Atlanta.
That seems to be another lie.
[dramatic music]
*
>> All right, we're close now.
Just a couple minutes.
>> I'm a little scared.
*
>> This is it.
*
>> [sighs]
>> Let's do it.
*
>> Oh, boy.
*
>> Ready?
>> I'm ready.
*
[doorbell ringing]
[knocking at door]
>> Hi.
>> Hey, how you doing?
>> I'm looking for Derick.
>> That's me.
>> That's you?
>> Yeah.
>> Well, I'm here with Jeanette
hoping that you might
come talk to us.
[dramatic music]
*
>> Hi.
>> Hey, how you doing?
>> I'm looking for Derick.
>> That's me.
>> That's you?
>> Yeah.
>> Well, I'm here with Jeanette
hoping that you might
come talk to us.
>> Yeah.
Yeah, I can do that.
*
>> Why don't you just start
by introducing yourself?
>> Yeah, my name
is Derica and...
>> You're the person I've been
talking to on the phone?
>> Yeah.
>> Why did you do this?
>> 'Cause it was just, you know,
something to do.
>> Something to do?
>> Yeah, yeah, I was bored,
and I made a profile,
and you end up inboxing me,
and we just started talking.
>> That's messed up, you was
playing with her feelings.
>> No, I wasn't necessarily
playing with her feelings.
Everything I told her is true.
It's just--
>> No, everything is not true.
Your name, your age.
>> Your gender.
>> Definitely that.
>> Do you primarily date women?
Do you date men and women?
>> I date women.
>> Why did you make a male
profile?
>> Just to have fun, you know?
That's what it was,
but everything changed
once I started talking to her.
>> Is Jeanette the only person
you were talking to?
>> I mean, I've talked to
a couple of people on there,
but not like how I talk to her.
Since I've been talking to her,
I've been talking to just her.
>> And I was just
talking to you.
I wasted a year of my life,
though, that I can never
get back.
>> I know.
>> And you should be ashamed
of yourself.
>> I'm pissed off.
These are my feelings.
This is my heart.
You just pissed all over me.
You pissed all over my feelings.
>> No, I--
>> No, you did.
You did.
I really loved Derick.
>> I'm still that person.
>> I loved Derick.
>> I'm just a female.
>> You just don't look
like that person.
>> Yes, I don't.
>> You could've told me.
You didn't think
I deserved that?
>> Yeah, you're right.
I just didn't want to lose you.
>> Those I love yous,
I miss yous, those I cares?
>> That's real.
>> No, it's not real.
>> Yes, it is.
>> Yeah, you had me lusting
over a 17-year-old.
Did you know that?
How embarrassing is that?
>> I'm not trying
to embarrass you.
>> You sent me those pictures
of us, you know, a wedding
and stuff like that.
You played me like a fool.
I would have never
done that to you.
I'm so angry with you right now.
Like, I hate you.
I want to hit you so bad.
>> Do you want to step away
for a second?
>> Yeah.
[somber music]
*
>> I was hoping just maybe,
just maybe, it could've been
a guy.
It's taking everything inside me
to keep from slapping
the hell out of her,
'cause I'm [bleep] angry.
>> You deserve to be angry.
>> That was really [bleep] up,
what you did.
>> I know it was.
>> Did you think that there was
a chance if you ever met?
>> I was hoping for a chance.
>> It was all a game for her.
Play Scrabble, you know?
Be bored.
Don't sit up and make
fake profiles and play with
people's feelings and heart.
I just want to go over there
and just slap the [bleep]
out of her and pull that [bleep]
out of her head.
>> You don't need to stoop
to her level.
>> I really loved him, Max.
Her, him, the person.
I really did love them.
I really was thinking
about marriage with Derick.
>> It's tragic
that it got this far.
>> [sighs]
*
>> No, I'm not okay.
You really hurt me.
I just want you to know that.
Thanks for breaking my heart.
I think I've heard everything
I need to hear.
*
>> All right, see you.
>> All right.
>> I just came so close,
so close.
I was about to just lose it.
>> * I was gone
* And alone
>> All right, like, I'm looking
up wedding gowns.
We even was on the phone
one night on the internet
looking at houses in Atlanta.
>> That's so cruel.
>> * I'm only low *
>> You really loved Derick,
didn't you?
>> * On my own
>> I did.
I still do,
but it's not the same person.
How am I gonna rebuild
my life from this?
>> This episode of
"Catfish: The TV Show"
continues now.
How are you ladies
doing this morning?
>> Kind of toss and turned
all night.
Have a lot on my mind.
I need better answers
than what she gave me.
Derica made me feel
like she loved me.
I haven't felt that in a while.
>> And she may have loved you.
She may still love you.
But she wasn't being honest
about who she was,
so how can you love her?
It's a mind [bleep], right?
>> It is.
>> I just feel really bad
for my mom, 'cause I know
that my mom was, like,
putting her all into it.
It just kind of hurts.
>> Why don't we give Derica
a call?
[phone ringing]
>> Hello?
>> Hey it's Nev and Max,
and I'm sitting here with
Jeanette and Shuntay.
Everybody sort of felt like
it'd probably be good
if we got together again.
>> Yeah, you can
come around today.
>> All right, see you in a bit.
>> All right.
>> All right, here we are.
[dramatic music]
*
How you doing?
>> Morning.
>> Ladies, want to sit there?
Okay, well, I think we're all
curious to hear from you
a little bit more about
why we're here.
>> Why did you decide
to continue this charade on
for nine months?
>> I don't know.
I guess I was just
being selfish.
I'm sorry.
I just really thought it was
just a small chance for me
and you being together
and doing the things
that we talked about.
>> But how am I to know
what to believe from you?
It's like I don't even know you.
All these feelings I have
and the hurt and the pain
I feel in my heart, that ache.
'Cause you're the one
who caused me that pain.
>> I know I can't take it back,
but I really am sorry.
>> Talking about, you know,
the babies that you're gonna
have and the house you're gonna
live in and stuff, like,
how does that sit with you?
>> I mean, I said that to her
because I would like
to have that with her.
>> But you can't give me
no baby.
>> I mean, there's ways
around it.
We could.
>> You sold me a false dream.
>> I was just hoping
that we could get past this.
I really was.
>> The only way to kind of
get past this is to kind of
go through it.
Instead of going around it
or sweeping it under the rug,
like, you can only
go through it.
I think what Jeanette wants here
was kind of your side
of the story so that she can
at least come away with this
with, like, the facts.
>> I know that one of the things
that you guys did talk about
was Derick lost his mother.
I don't know if that's true
or not, but if it is true
in your case, why don't you go
back and start with some of the,
you know, real things in your
life that make you who you are?
>> All right, well,
my mom did pass away ten days
before my 16th birthday.
And then my grandfather died
the day after my birthday.
Right after that,
I was pretty much on my own.
>> So you've been on your own,
basically, since you were 16?
>> Yeah, that's when I started
selling drugs.
I ended up getting locked up,
so I end up being homeless,
and I started talking
to older women.
I lived with them and, you know,
I did what I had to do
until I was old enough
to get my own place.
>> Was it, like,
sexual then, or?
>> Yeah, it was
in relationships.
I just did what I had to do,
I guess, at that time.
>> You were 16, 17 years old?
>> Yeah.
>> And having sex
with older women?
>> And men, yeah.
>> Wow.
>> Well, look, this really is
your relationship.
It might just be good for us
to let you guys just
have a few minutes to yourself.
Take your time.
>> I love you.
>> I love you too.
*
>> Jeanette, like, give me
a chance to make it up.
I mean, you're my best friend.
I love you,
and that's not gonna change.
I really, truly am sorry.
>> I don't know, Derica.
The relationship that we had,
I haven't been that happy
in a long time.
I'm trying my hardest
not to cry.
I loved you,
but not you.
I'm sure there's somebody
out there for you,
but it's not me.
This will be our last time
seeing each other.
I won't contact you no more.
I wish you luck
with your future plans.
I got to make new ones.
>> I understand.
>> Okay.
>> * Kerry made his way
* To Vegas
>> I'm sorry, Jeanette.
>> I'm sorry too, Derica.
>> * Kerry struck
* A sea not golden
* Turned it into powder glow
>> I needed that.
I feel better.
>> * Made the whole room snow
>> Now it's time
for the healing process.
>> * Kerry fell in love
>> I appreciate you guys
for going on this journey.
I really appreciate you guys.
I really do.
And I will never forget ya'll.
Thank you.
Thanks, Max.
>> Love you too, Jeanette.
>> * What bothered him
* But it ate him up inside
>> These are memories
I will never forget,
and I will always cherish them.
>> If your plane doesn't crash
on the way home.
>> Stop saying that, Nev!
[laughter]
See how you ruin a moment?
[laughter]
[phone ringing]
>> both: Hey!
>> It's the twins.
Look at that.
It's a mirror image.
So what's going on with Derica?
Are you talking to her?
>> We've spoken occasionally,
me and Derica.
>> Really?
>> Yeah.
>> It sounds like then
you guys are cool.
Everything's okay between you?
>> I'm still kind of hurt,
but you have to
forgive and forget.
I'm at a better place
than I was two months ago.
>> Well, we had a lot of fun
with you guys.
>> We miss you guys.
>> Bye.
>> Bye.
[phone ringing]
>> What up, Derica?
>> Yeah, what's up?
>> How you doing?
>> Doing good.
How's everything with Jeanette?
Have you talked to her at all?
>> Yeah, I've talked to her
a few times.
It may have took her a minute
to forgive me so she could
talk to me.
It's not like it used to be,
but I'm just glad
she forgave me.
I mean, but I would rather
have her for a friend.
>> Good.
>> I'm glad to hear
everything is going well.
Maybe next time we're in
Atlanta, we'll bump into you.
>> I would love that.
>> All right, cool.
See you later, bye.
>> Bye, Derica.
>> "I need to know what's
going on with Justin.
My future may depend on it."
>> You're gonna move
to California to be with him.
>> Hey, Justin, it's Nev.
>> This is the first time
we've gonna after someone
who told us no.
>> Ready or not, here we come.
>> Who's this?
>> Is that him? Oh, my God.
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into the woods.
This person lives in the middle
of nowhere.
>> This is not Atlanta.
That seems to be another lie.
>> Oh, gosh.
[dramatic music]
**
I'm scared.
I'm a good mother.
I'm a good friend.
[knocking at door]
>> Looking for Derick.
>> That's me.
>> And I don't think
I deserve this.
[upbeat music]
**
>> Should we make another
episode of "Fatfish"?
I know it's nice to sit around,
but people need our help.
>> How do you keep your legs
so skinny?
>> [sighs]
You know what time it is.
Email time.
Oh, this is a good subject.
"I'm sick of hearing the lies
and excuses.
Hi Nev, and Max.
My name is Shuntay..."
>> Shuntay!
>> "I'm 21.
My mom, Jeanette, and I live
together in Orlando, Florida,
and I'm concerned about someone
my mom has been talking to."
>> All right.
>> Oh, a mom episode.
>> Finally, yeah!
Her mom is probably our age.
>> Okay, anyway,
"My mom's falling in love
with this guy Derick,
who she has never met.
They met on PlentyOfFish,
and they have been talking
for about seven months now.
My mom has never really done
this whole online thing,
but it was something
about Derick that really made
her want to give it a try."
>> * Oh, oh, fantasy take me
* Over and break me
>> "She wrote him basically
giving him a compliment
on his picture, and ever since
that day, they've been writing
each other nonstop."
>> * I've been looking *
* For the conqueror
* But you don't seem *
* To come my way
>> "My mom always tells me
that Derick is so different
from the guys in her past.
He's actually talking
about marriage and sounds
genuine about it.
>> * Oh, oh
* But there's no seduction *
* Only destruction
>> "But as serious as it's
getting, he's not met my mom
or even shown his face
on video chat."
>> You know what that means.
>> He has no face.
>> [laughs]
>> "When my mom asks to meet
Derick, he always says he is
busy with work and he's sorry.
We need to find out
what's holding Derick back
from seeing my mom.
Shuntay."
>> Whoa.
>> We've had a mom concerned
about her son, but I don't think
we've had a child concerned
about their mom.
>> A new leaf
that we're turning over.
>> Yeah, let's Shuntay
on the line.
[phone ringing]
>> both: Hey!
>> Hey Shuntay, how are you?
>> I'm good, how are you?
>> Great.
Have you always lived
in Orlando?
>> No, I moved a lot.
>> Oh.
>> My mom, she's the type
of person, she likes to always
be on the go.
>> So she's a criminal?
>> No, she's not a criminal.
>> Do you still live with her?
>> Yeah, I do.
We're, like, really close.
>> We just read your email
about your mom and Derick.
>> Can you tell us the story
of how they met?
>> The met on PlentyOfFish,
and she had messaged him first,
"You're really cute,"
and a couple months later,
she felt comfortable enough
to give her number to him.
That's, like, when the feelings
started getting stronger.
>> Are you around when
she talks to him on the phone?
>> They're, like,
really lovey-dovey.
Always, like, saying
they love each other,
planning their future.
This is, like,
something major for her.
>> Where does Derick live?
>> Atlanta.
>> Has she gone to Atlanta
to meet up with him?
>> No.
He's always making up excuses.
It's like, "Oh,
I'm sorry, babe."
Like, "You know my schedule.
I'm just busy.
I'm sorry.
Oh, no, babe, you know,
the weather's cold."
He just always has an excuse.
It's like, "Ugh."
But I believe my mom,
she really likes Derick,
'cause Derick is accepting
to the fact that I have a baby.
[upbeat music]
*
She never had anybody, like,
accept all of us.
>> Wow.
>> The whole package.
>> So Derick's
talked about you guys
all being a family?
>> Nonstop.
I'm, like, really overprotective
of my mom.
I feel like it's switched, like,
I'm the mama bear, and I'm just,
like, trying to protect my cubs.
>> Does your mom know
that you've reached out to us?
>> Yes, so she knows.
>> Whatever helps your mom
meet Derick,
she's probably happy about.
>> Yeah.
>> All right, we're coming
down to Orlando.
>> Okay, bye.
>> Bye.
>> She's sweet.
>> They would be a family.
>> What's great about this
episode is that it's the first
time we're actually helping
a grandmother.
>> That's true.
Let's do this.
>> Get your stuff together.
>> Here we go.
>> * Down, down, down, down
* In a world this wide
* We feel limited
>> Why do you have a camera now?
This was not part of the deal.
[upbeat music]
*
>> Orlando, we are in the house.
Jeanette, this is her first time
really putting herself
out there online,
which we know can be
a great way to meet people,
but if you get burned
on your first try--
>> You're gonna be less likely
to put yourself out there again.
Jeanette probably can't imagine
the lengths people would go to
to lie about who they are
on the internet.
>> Right.
>> This might be
a rude awakening.
>> There it is.
>> Ready?
>> Yep.
*
>> Hey.
>> Hello.
>> How are you?
>> I'm good.
>> Here's the crew.
>> Hey, guys.
>> Can we come in?
>> Yes.
>> All right, let's go--whoa.
>> Oh, my God,
is this your sister?
>> This can't be your mom.
>> This is your mom?
>> Wait, are you catfishing us
right now?
>> No.
>> If I may ask,
how old are you?
>> I'm actually 40.
>> 40 never looked so good.
>> Thank you.
>> Exactly.
>> Yeah, can't wait
to turn 40 now.
[laughter]
Well, let's sit down
and start chatting.
>> I'm not used to being
around this many handsome men.
>> We do have a few handsome men
in here.
You guys can go out together,
and you can be her wingman.
>> I wouldn't hang with her.
She can't hang with me.
I just turned 21.
>> Oh, that's true.
>> Her friends be trying
to holler at me sometimes.
>> I had posted a photo
of me and my mom on my Facebook.
Some of my friends
tried to add her.
I said, "Deny.
You is not gonna add my mom."
>> Have you seen our show?
>> I actually didn't
see your show till my daughter
brought it to my attention.
I was like "Whoa, this kind of
sound a little familiar."
>> You met on PlentyOfFish?
>> Yes.
>> Right, you set up account.
>> Account.
>> Like, what made you
want to do that?
>> Working so much and stuff
and then, you know,
you get lonely,
you want companionship.
And I came across Derick, and I
was like, "Ooh, he's sexy."
*
But it took forever
for him to respond back.
Kept checking my phone,
kept checking my phone.
The finally he responds, like,
"How you doing?"
And I was like "Bam."
I reeled him in.
He's into my family.
He wants a family with me.
He's accepting of my daughter.
He's accepting of the baby.
My feelings for Derick
have grown stronger,
like, I love him.
He makes me feel like I'm
the only woman in the world.
>> I mean, it sounds perfect.
>> We've talked about marriage.
>> Really?
>> Yes, and then last night
he was like, "Zales has a sale."
"Like, on what?"
He's like "Oh, rings."
>> Really?
Are you looking
to have more kids?
>> We've talked about it.
>> And you're up for it?
>> I'm open to it.
>> Still open for business?
[laughter]
>> Exactly.
>> How old is this gentleman?
Uh-oh.
>> 27.
>> Oh.
>> But he's so mature,
like, I don't even
think about his age.
>> What else do you know
about him, I mean?
>> He drives forklift,
he lost his mom
when he was a teenager,
and he longs for a close
relationship with his family.
>> We'd love to see a picture
of this guy.
>> Okay.
>> Do you have it on your phone?
>> Here's a picture.
>> Handsome topless guy alert.
Got the abs, yeah.
>> This guy looks like a model.
>> Could be a model.
>> Yeah.
>> He got, like, a little
baby face kind of.
>> That guy doesn't look like
he drives a forklift.
What's his voice like?
>> Sexy.
[laughter]
>> I get turned on.
>> Oh yeah?
How turned on do your
phone calls get?
>> Keep it PG-13.
>> Mm-hmm.
>> You be trying to get up
in my little business.
I see that.
>> Why are you so nosy?
>> [laughs]
>> Mm-hmm.
>> And how far is it from here
to Atlanta?
>> Six hours, I believe.
>> Yeah, about six.
>> The idea of one of you
driving to the other
or even meeting halfway is
something that you've
talked about?
>> Yeah, I've discussed it
a couple times.
"Oh, babe, I got to work
that weekend."
I was like, "We can make
an arrangement, kind of.
All you got to do is just
ask for that day off.
Just let me know.
Get the day off,
and I'll try to, you know,
get those days off with you."
But--
>> He's not making the time.
>> Right, right.
>> And why do you think that is?
>> Maybe he has a girlfriend,
maybe he's married.
>> And then you've tried
to talk with him on video chat?
>> Yes, first time it was like,
"Oh, babe, there's something
wrong with my camera.
But you looking good, though."
I'm like, "But I can't see you,
so it's not fair."
>> What do you see
when you're...
>> It's just, like,
a black screen.
>> Just totally black?
>> Yeah.
If he wasn't who he say he is,
I will be pissed off, because,
like, I've shared my life
with him.
He's spoken on the phone with
my daughter before, you know?
I've been getting, like,
frustrated, like, "Babe."
>> And I'm getting frustrated
too, hearing about it.
>> But I do want to see him.
Like, I want him to hold me.
You know, I want him to tell me
everything is okay,
look him in his eyes
and just, you know,
just have our life together.
>> When we do our research,
if it's okay, maybe I'll borrow
your daughter, and we'll then
all report back to you
as part of Team Jeanette.
>> We'll find out.
>> We'll find out.
>> Okay.
All right, guys, thanks.
>> Bye.
>> both: Bye.
>> I think that she thinks
she's getting her cake
and eating it too.
She's got the super sexy,
hot guy...
>> Young.
>> Who also happens to be
a very mature, caring,
sensitive person who wants to
take care of her, her child,
and her grandkid.
>> And Shuntay, obviously
if her mom ends up
moving to Atlanta,
she's going to Atlanta.
All of their lives are very much
wrapped up in this guy.
>> If he turns out to not be
who he says he is,
it's gonna really mess her up.
>> I love this place.
Orlando is, like,
a child's fantasy of what
a city should be: roads
connecting amusement parks.
>> [laughs]
>> It's incredible.
>> So Shuntay and Jeanette.
>> Daughter, mother,
even though they look
like they're siblings.
>> I spoke to Shuntay
this morning.
She is at a coffee shop,
so we'll meet her there.
Let's see what we can
figure out.
>> This place is awesome.
>> Hi.
>> How are you?
>> I'm good.
>> All right, have a seat,
have a seat.
Okay, your mom sent us an email
that says "Hey, guys!
I am ready for some answers."
Whoo!
>> Exactly.
>> "I've attached all the photos
I have of Derick to this email.
I appreciate whatever results
you may have, whether it be
good or bad."
All right, so we've got
seven photos.
>> Mainly selfies.
>> Right.
>> Which is--
>> Never a good sign.
>> No.
>> We've got his phone number--
>> He's got an Atlanta
area code; that's a good sign.
>> We've got his Facebook.
Okay, you guys ready
to dive into this?
>> Yes.
>> Let's go to his
Facebook page.
>> All right, here we go.
Derick [bleep].
Boom, let's see.
He's got a lot of friends,
and a lot of them are ladies.
>> Let's look at his
information first.
>> All right,
so general laborer.
Lives in Atlanta.
>> He's from Atlanta.
>> Says he's in a relationship.
He just posted a couple days
ago, "Just one of them nights."
>> So he has a Snapchat.
>> Oh, yeah.
Well, that's interesting,
'cause this is a front-facing
camera photo, which means that
his front-facing camera works.
>> Mm-hmm.
>> So that's bogus.
He's got a lot of pictures.
Okay, well let's download
all of these.
Well, that's, like,
a very model shot.
>> Yeah.
>> Well, why don't we
image search the photos?
>> You want to?
I think we should probably.
>> This will be the moment
of truth, I think.
>> All right, so let's start
with this one, see if we
get anything.
>> both: Oh!
>> We got it; we got a hit.
>> The first picture we got--
>> Who's Jeremale?
>> Jeremale?
>> Jeremale?
>> Somebody comes up a bunch
on "broh_usexxy" Tumblr page,
and there's an Instagram.
>> And a Twitter.
>> Let's go to this Instagram.
>> This is not looking good.
>> Here he is.
>> This is it.
>> A lot of followers.
So this looks--
>> He's got 13,000 followers.
>> And there's a picture.
>> Here are some of the pictures
that your mom has seen,
but, like, way more.
>> Yeah, that is very weird.
>> This--and wait, 2016.
He's class of '16.
Dude, your mom is in love
with a high school senior.
>> Mm, wow.
>> Oh, man.
>> This is not good news.
>> This is gonna crush your mom.
>> Oh, my God.
>> But that's the guy
in the pictures.
>> That's definitely him.
>> Which is not the guy
she's talking to.
>> Wait a second, so let's
check out Twitter just to
confirm that Instagram
account's even real.
>> See what he be talking about.
>> Here's a tweet.
He's got people tagged in this.
>> "Happy birthday, bro.
Anthony."
>> It seems like
his real Twitter.
>> Oh yeah, look [bleep].
HHS, right, right, right.
>> He's graduating next year.
We can almost safely say
that this is not the guy
your mom is talking to.
>> I know my mom's gonna be
really sad about this.
>> So we think we've identified
the mask.
Now it's about figuring out
who the real person your mom
is talking to is.
>> Yeah.
>> Only thing we have
that we know is real
is his phone number.
>> All right, let's see what
happens when we search
his phone number.
>> Whoa!
>> Whoa!
>> It gave us Derica [bleep].
>> Same last name.
Wait a second.
>> Oh, shucks okay.
>> In Georgia.
Your mom could be talking
to a woman.
Not good for your mom.
>> Oh, my God, this is--no.
>> Could it be a woman?
>> I don't know.
>> You've spoken to him, right?
>> Yeah, his voice is,
like, kind of deep.
>> We've seen an episode
where the voice sounds
like the voice of a man,
but it's a really a woman.
>> Oh, I hope not.
I now my mom wouldn't like that.
My mom, she's interested in men,
so a woman pretending to be
a man, that's, like, really big.
>> But what if it's a guy?
Could be a family member
of hers.
>> Yeah, she, he,
whatever it is,
is, like, really playing
with her feelings.
>> Yeah, this is not good.
>> All right, we're gonna have
to break the news to Mom.
She's not gonna be happy.
Not only finding out
that the guy in the pictures
is in high school,
but that she's not talking
to him probably.
>> She's gonna be pretty pissed.
[dramatic music]
*
>> Ready to do this?
>> Yeah, I'm ready.
>> Here we go.
*
>> Hey.
>> Hey.
>> Good to see you.
>> Why don't we all sit down?
As promised,
we did some research.
>> Mm-hmm.
>> And found
some interesting stuff.
Some of it's a little confusing,
some of it's a little upsetting,
but I feel like we're
closer to understanding,
you know, what's going on here
and who you're talking to
for sure.
>> Mm-hmm.
>> All right, so get
the old laptop out.
The first thing we did, we just
went to his Facebook page.
When we look at his page,
there's not a whole lot
in here about him.
Just general laborer
and that he's in a relationship,
but that's really all there is.
But when we go to his timeline,
we thought this was
kind of interesting.
In this picture, Derick is
clearly using his
front-facing camera.
>> Mm-hmm.
>> Which means that it makes
his excuse about not being able
to video chat bogus.
>> But we know that he has
a camera that works.
>> Right.
>> The next thing we did was,
we took all the pictures
that you had sent us,
and we went to image search.
And so we took this first
picture, and immediately we got,
like, a bunch of hits.
>> Wow.
>> The first one is a website
called "broh_usexxy."
So we went to that website,
and here's the picture,
but underneath it, it says
Instagram @jeremale
and Twitter @jeremale.
>> Mm-hmm.
>> So we went to the Instagram
page for Jeremale,
and it's this.
>> It's a lot of pictures.
>> Wow.
>> These are pictures
you haven't seen,
and in this one, it looks like
he's with his best friend.
In this one he's standing
in front of, like, a poster
of him dressed in, like,
his football uniform.
>> Wow.
>> But more than anything,
we got to this picture,
and that's when we realized
something was not right.
>> [sighs]
The kid in this photograph
is in high school.
>> Wow, so that means
about 17 years old.
>> Right, 17, 18,
but he hasn't graduated yet.
>> Wow.
[sighs]
I need a minute.
*
>> You okay?
>> I'm just thinking, like,
is this the person
who I've been talking to?
I'm talking to a baby?
>> In don't think you're talking
to a 17- or 18-year-old kid.
I think you're talking
to someone who's taken pictures
of this 17- or 18-year-old kid.
>> This just--this just a--
this is a lot for me.
To lie to me
for all this time...
>> They're--
>> I'm, like,
really hurt right now.
I'm trying not to cry,
but I just feel like I'm a fool.
>> * You seem friendly
* And I'm all alone *
* All alone
* All alone
* Ooh
>> Let's finish.
>> There's more to--yeah.
>> Oh, God.
Who the hell have I
been talking to?
>> Let's finish.
>> There's more to--yeah.
>> Oh, God.
I can't even look
at this picture right now.
I'm just disappointed.
like, I'm so sorry.
>> Well, why are you sorry?
>> 'Cause he's 17
or 18 years old.
>> Well, this kid is,
but I don't--I think
what we're figuring out
is that you haven't had
any contact with this kid.
>> No?
Well, who the hell
am I talking to?
>> Well, that's what we're
trying to figure out.
Here's where it gets
really weird.
We ran the phone number,
and we got this.
>> Derica [bleep].
>> Which is awfully close
to "Derick," but a female.
>> But I was talking to a guy
on the phone, not a girl.
>> Well, there are a lot
of scenarios that we have come
across where you could be
talking to a guy on the phone,
and that guy is--
>> Relaying the message
from her?
>> Right, is playing the voice
for Derica, or it could be a
woman who has a lower voice
and can drop it even lower
when she talks to you.
We've seen that.
>> It's a lot to try to take in.
I don't even know what to say.
>> Whether it's a man
or a woman, or everything
they've told you is real,
or everything they've told you
is fake, like, you've spent
a lot of time texting
and talking to someone.
>> Yes.
>> And they made you,
for the most part, feel loved,
and I don't think they would
do that if they didn't
care about you.
>> Right.
>> So whoever's behind this
probably has real feelings
for you.
>> Yeah.
>> Why don't I just step
outside, give him a call,
and see if I can convince him
to meet up with us?
>> Okay.
*
[phone ringing]
>> Yeah, hey, is this Derick?
>> Hey, Derick, this is gonna
sound a little strange,
but this is Nev,
the host of "Catfish."
>> I am with Jeanette.
Her daughter, Shuntay,
reached out to us because,
you know, she knows you
and Jeanette have been talking
and trying to meet up and
thought we might
be able to help.
You there?
>> She's really thinking
about moving up to Georgia
and bringing her family and--
>> So what's been
kind of getting in the way?
What's been stopping you guys
from seeing each other?
>> I'm a good mother.
I'm a good grandmother.
I'm a good friend.
And the only thing I shared with
him was my hopes, my dreams.
It's like--
[sighs]
And I don't think
I deserve this.
>> You don't.
>> Jeanette now knows
that you're not
the guy in the pictures that
you've been sending her, and we
know that that's not really you
you on your Facebook page.
Is it--
>> Is your name really Derick?
>> It's not?
Are you 27?
>> I'm sure you can imagine
how upset she is and how
confused she is right now
to learn that the person
she thinks she's been talking to
for the last nine months
is not that person.
>> Well, she feels like she's
wasted a lot of time
and deserves answers.
And if she doesn't get that,
I think she's gonna have to,
you know,
cut you off along the way.
>> All right, well,
I can count on you then,
to send me the address
and to meet us for sure?
>> Okay, well thank you
for speaking with me,
and we'll see you soon.
Okay, he told me that he cares
about you very much,
and he really does want
to build a future together and--
which to me sounded sincere.
So I asked,
"Is your name Derick?"
"No."
I asked him if he's 27.
He said he's 31.
He does live outside Atlanta,
and he does apparently work
at a warehouse,
not that we can really trust
what he says, but he said
he would meet us.
>> [sighs]
>> If you decide to go, I could
find somebody to watch the baby,
and I'll go to support you,
'cause you know I got your back
through it all.
>> Thank you.
I'm hurt, mad as hell,
but I do need some answers.
[sighs]
>> You're gonna be okay.
We'll get through this.
>> Thanks, guys.
>> All right.
>> * Where do we belong
* Where did we go wrong
* If there's nothing here *
* Why are we still here?
* Ha, ha, ha, ha
* Ha, ha, ha, ha
>> The person that
did this is a fool.
>> * We never had enough
* We never had enough
>> As you get older, it becomes
harder and harder
to meet people.
>> And the older you get,
I think the more--
the bigger a scar it leaves.
[gentle piano music]
*
>> Hello, ladies.
>> Hi.
>> Hey.
>> Good morning.
>> How you feeling?
>> It was just hard.
First night is, like,
the rough night.
>> * I've been out of my mind *
* This slow life
* I'm waiting for you *
* To swing me all of your line
>> Ready for a plane ride?
>> No.
We've never flown before.
>> What?
>> Any suggestions
about our first time?
>> It's normal
for your ears to bleed.
>> Stop lying.
>> Whatever you do--
>> I'ma ask somebody else,
'cause ya'll are playing
too much.
>> * Without you
* Can't be on my own *
*Without you *
* I'm a little bit lost *
* Without you
>> [laughs]
Exactly.
* Without you
* Without you
>> Lord Jesus, thank you.
>> How are you feeling?
>> I'm pissed off right now.
Like, the first question
I want to ask is,
why did you do this?
Did you hate me or something?
Did you get a thrill
out of hurting my feelings?
>> We've been in the car
for 30 minutes at least,
and we're still driving.
>> Into the woods.
>> This person lives
in the middle of nowhere.
This is not Atlanta.
That seems to be another lie.
[dramatic music]
*
>> All right, we're close now.
Just a couple minutes.
>> I'm a little scared.
*
>> This is it.
*
>> [sighs]
>> Let's do it.
*
>> Oh, boy.
*
>> Ready?
>> I'm ready.
*
[doorbell ringing]
[knocking at door]
>> Hi.
>> Hey, how you doing?
>> I'm looking for Derick.
>> That's me.
>> That's you?
>> Yeah.
>> Well, I'm here with Jeanette
hoping that you might
come talk to us.
[dramatic music]
*
>> Hi.
>> Hey, how you doing?
>> I'm looking for Derick.
>> That's me.
>> That's you?
>> Yeah.
>> Well, I'm here with Jeanette
hoping that you might
come talk to us.
>> Yeah.
Yeah, I can do that.
*
>> Why don't you just start
by introducing yourself?
>> Yeah, my name
is Derica and...
>> You're the person I've been
talking to on the phone?
>> Yeah.
>> Why did you do this?
>> 'Cause it was just, you know,
something to do.
>> Something to do?
>> Yeah, yeah, I was bored,
and I made a profile,
and you end up inboxing me,
and we just started talking.
>> That's messed up, you was
playing with her feelings.
>> No, I wasn't necessarily
playing with her feelings.
Everything I told her is true.
It's just--
>> No, everything is not true.
Your name, your age.
>> Your gender.
>> Definitely that.
>> Do you primarily date women?
Do you date men and women?
>> I date women.
>> Why did you make a male
profile?
>> Just to have fun, you know?
That's what it was,
but everything changed
once I started talking to her.
>> Is Jeanette the only person
you were talking to?
>> I mean, I've talked to
a couple of people on there,
but not like how I talk to her.
Since I've been talking to her,
I've been talking to just her.
>> And I was just
talking to you.
I wasted a year of my life,
though, that I can never
get back.
>> I know.
>> And you should be ashamed
of yourself.
>> I'm pissed off.
These are my feelings.
This is my heart.
You just pissed all over me.
You pissed all over my feelings.
>> No, I--
>> No, you did.
You did.
I really loved Derick.
>> I'm still that person.
>> I loved Derick.
>> I'm just a female.
>> You just don't look
like that person.
>> Yes, I don't.
>> You could've told me.
You didn't think
I deserved that?
>> Yeah, you're right.
I just didn't want to lose you.
>> Those I love yous,
I miss yous, those I cares?
>> That's real.
>> No, it's not real.
>> Yes, it is.
>> Yeah, you had me lusting
over a 17-year-old.
Did you know that?
How embarrassing is that?
>> I'm not trying
to embarrass you.
>> You sent me those pictures
of us, you know, a wedding
and stuff like that.
You played me like a fool.
I would have never
done that to you.
I'm so angry with you right now.
Like, I hate you.
I want to hit you so bad.
>> Do you want to step away
for a second?
>> Yeah.
[somber music]
*
>> I was hoping just maybe,
just maybe, it could've been
a guy.
It's taking everything inside me
to keep from slapping
the hell out of her,
'cause I'm [bleep] angry.
>> You deserve to be angry.
>> That was really [bleep] up,
what you did.
>> I know it was.
>> Did you think that there was
a chance if you ever met?
>> I was hoping for a chance.
>> It was all a game for her.
Play Scrabble, you know?
Be bored.
Don't sit up and make
fake profiles and play with
people's feelings and heart.
I just want to go over there
and just slap the [bleep]
out of her and pull that [bleep]
out of her head.
>> You don't need to stoop
to her level.
>> I really loved him, Max.
Her, him, the person.
I really did love them.
I really was thinking
about marriage with Derick.
>> It's tragic
that it got this far.
>> [sighs]
*
>> No, I'm not okay.
You really hurt me.
I just want you to know that.
Thanks for breaking my heart.
I think I've heard everything
I need to hear.
*
>> All right, see you.
>> All right.
>> I just came so close,
so close.
I was about to just lose it.
>> * I was gone
* And alone
>> All right, like, I'm looking
up wedding gowns.
We even was on the phone
one night on the internet
looking at houses in Atlanta.
>> That's so cruel.
>> * I'm only low *
>> You really loved Derick,
didn't you?
>> * On my own
>> I did.
I still do,
but it's not the same person.
How am I gonna rebuild
my life from this?
>> This episode of
"Catfish: The TV Show"
continues now.
How are you ladies
doing this morning?
>> Kind of toss and turned
all night.
Have a lot on my mind.
I need better answers
than what she gave me.
Derica made me feel
like she loved me.
I haven't felt that in a while.
>> And she may have loved you.
She may still love you.
But she wasn't being honest
about who she was,
so how can you love her?
It's a mind [bleep], right?
>> It is.
>> I just feel really bad
for my mom, 'cause I know
that my mom was, like,
putting her all into it.
It just kind of hurts.
>> Why don't we give Derica
a call?
[phone ringing]
>> Hello?
>> Hey it's Nev and Max,
and I'm sitting here with
Jeanette and Shuntay.
Everybody sort of felt like
it'd probably be good
if we got together again.
>> Yeah, you can
come around today.
>> All right, see you in a bit.
>> All right.
>> All right, here we are.
[dramatic music]
*
How you doing?
>> Morning.
>> Ladies, want to sit there?
Okay, well, I think we're all
curious to hear from you
a little bit more about
why we're here.
>> Why did you decide
to continue this charade on
for nine months?
>> I don't know.
I guess I was just
being selfish.
I'm sorry.
I just really thought it was
just a small chance for me
and you being together
and doing the things
that we talked about.
>> But how am I to know
what to believe from you?
It's like I don't even know you.
All these feelings I have
and the hurt and the pain
I feel in my heart, that ache.
'Cause you're the one
who caused me that pain.
>> I know I can't take it back,
but I really am sorry.
>> Talking about, you know,
the babies that you're gonna
have and the house you're gonna
live in and stuff, like,
how does that sit with you?
>> I mean, I said that to her
because I would like
to have that with her.
>> But you can't give me
no baby.
>> I mean, there's ways
around it.
We could.
>> You sold me a false dream.
>> I was just hoping
that we could get past this.
I really was.
>> The only way to kind of
get past this is to kind of
go through it.
Instead of going around it
or sweeping it under the rug,
like, you can only
go through it.
I think what Jeanette wants here
was kind of your side
of the story so that she can
at least come away with this
with, like, the facts.
>> I know that one of the things
that you guys did talk about
was Derick lost his mother.
I don't know if that's true
or not, but if it is true
in your case, why don't you go
back and start with some of the,
you know, real things in your
life that make you who you are?
>> All right, well,
my mom did pass away ten days
before my 16th birthday.
And then my grandfather died
the day after my birthday.
Right after that,
I was pretty much on my own.
>> So you've been on your own,
basically, since you were 16?
>> Yeah, that's when I started
selling drugs.
I ended up getting locked up,
so I end up being homeless,
and I started talking
to older women.
I lived with them and, you know,
I did what I had to do
until I was old enough
to get my own place.
>> Was it, like,
sexual then, or?
>> Yeah, it was
in relationships.
I just did what I had to do,
I guess, at that time.
>> You were 16, 17 years old?
>> Yeah.
>> And having sex
with older women?
>> And men, yeah.
>> Wow.
>> Well, look, this really is
your relationship.
It might just be good for us
to let you guys just
have a few minutes to yourself.
Take your time.
>> I love you.
>> I love you too.
*
>> Jeanette, like, give me
a chance to make it up.
I mean, you're my best friend.
I love you,
and that's not gonna change.
I really, truly am sorry.
>> I don't know, Derica.
The relationship that we had,
I haven't been that happy
in a long time.
I'm trying my hardest
not to cry.
I loved you,
but not you.
I'm sure there's somebody
out there for you,
but it's not me.
This will be our last time
seeing each other.
I won't contact you no more.
I wish you luck
with your future plans.
I got to make new ones.
>> I understand.
>> Okay.
>> * Kerry made his way
* To Vegas
>> I'm sorry, Jeanette.
>> I'm sorry too, Derica.
>> * Kerry struck
* A sea not golden
* Turned it into powder glow
>> I needed that.
I feel better.
>> * Made the whole room snow
>> Now it's time
for the healing process.
>> * Kerry fell in love
>> I appreciate you guys
for going on this journey.
I really appreciate you guys.
I really do.
And I will never forget ya'll.
Thank you.
Thanks, Max.
>> Love you too, Jeanette.
>> * What bothered him
* But it ate him up inside
>> These are memories
I will never forget,
and I will always cherish them.
>> If your plane doesn't crash
on the way home.
>> Stop saying that, Nev!
[laughter]
See how you ruin a moment?
[laughter]
[phone ringing]
>> both: Hey!
>> It's the twins.
Look at that.
It's a mirror image.
So what's going on with Derica?
Are you talking to her?
>> We've spoken occasionally,
me and Derica.
>> Really?
>> Yeah.
>> It sounds like then
you guys are cool.
Everything's okay between you?
>> I'm still kind of hurt,
but you have to
forgive and forget.
I'm at a better place
than I was two months ago.
>> Well, we had a lot of fun
with you guys.
>> We miss you guys.
>> Bye.
>> Bye.
[phone ringing]
>> What up, Derica?
>> Yeah, what's up?
>> How you doing?
>> Doing good.
How's everything with Jeanette?
Have you talked to her at all?
>> Yeah, I've talked to her
a few times.
It may have took her a minute
to forgive me so she could
talk to me.
It's not like it used to be,
but I'm just glad
she forgave me.
I mean, but I would rather
have her for a friend.
>> Good.
>> I'm glad to hear
everything is going well.
Maybe next time we're in
Atlanta, we'll bump into you.
>> I would love that.
>> All right, cool.
See you later, bye.
>> Bye, Derica.
>> "I need to know what's
going on with Justin.
My future may depend on it."
>> You're gonna move
to California to be with him.
>> Hey, Justin, it's Nev.
>> This is the first time
we've gonna after someone
who told us no.
>> Ready or not, here we come.
>> Who's this?
>> Is that him? Oh, my God.
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