Catfish: The TV Show (2012–…): Season 5, Episode 1 - Dejay, Malik & Josiah - full transcript

>> Don'’t follow me,
dumbass bitch.
>> Why the [bleep] are
you running?
>> Didn'’t you just put
your [bleep] hands in my face?
[bleep] out of here.
You'’re gonna see who
the [bleep] I really am.
Yeah, [bleep] my [bleep].
>> Gentlemen, gentlemen.
>> Now, if I smack
the [bleep] out of you,
it'’s gonna be a [bleep] problem.
[rock music]
>> Welcome to season five.
Here we are.
I'’ve noticed that,
whenever I'’m talking, Nev--
>> Tunes out.
>> Tunes out.
>> You'’ve been talking a lot.
>> But when Nev talks,
he expects everyone to pay
attention.
>> Yeah.
>> I have an announcement
to make.
to make. I'’ve stopped wearing underwear.
I'’ve stopped wearing underwear.
Here we go.
Season five--what do we got?
Okay, so this is interesting.
We got an email from
our casting department.
>> Our own casting department?
>> It said, "Hey, guys, it looks
like we have a '’Catfish'’ first."
>> Weird.
>> "I have two submissions here
from different guys
who live in different states.
Each of them claims to be
in a long-term long-distance
relationship with a guy
named Josiah from Philly."
I mean, we always assume
that a Catfish
who'’s talking to one person
is probably also talking
to other people too.
>> Well, they generally are
talking to more than one.
>> It was just a matter of time
before more than one of the
hopefuls wrote in
at the same time.
Okay, here'’s
the email from Dejay.
"Hello. My name is Dejay,
and I'’m a 24-year-old
from St. Louis.
I'’ve been in an on-again,
off-again long-distance
relationship with a guy
relationship with a guy from Philly for seven years."
from Philly for seven years."
"From the moment
I first talked to him,
we had a special connection.
I fell hard in love
with this guy,
but every time we try to meet
in person or even video chat,
something goes wrong."
>> "Finally, Josiah admitted
to me that he was not the guy
in the pictures
he had sent to me."
♪
"He came clean and showed me
his real pictures--
or so he says."
>> "I'’m starting to worry
that the person I'’ve told
all my secrets to
may not be who he says he is.
Dejay."
Before we talk about
this too much, should we
look at the other email
and compare them?
>> Yeah, we'’ve got to compare.
>> All right.
"Nev and Max, my name is Malik,
and I am a 20-year-old guy
currently living in
Charlotte, North Carolina.
For five years"--
>> "Five years."
>> "On and off,
I'’ve been in love
with a guy named Josiah.
We deeply love each other,
and I hope that,
if he is who he says he is, then
we could meet and seriously try
to make a relationship work,
but we never video chatted
or met in person because
he claimed he had a bad phone
and moved around a lot."
This is pretty interesting.
This sounds a lot
like Dejay'’s email.
>> Yeah, on-again, off-again...
>> A guy named Josiah
from Philly--
it sounds similar, but,
if we'’re wrong, we'’re gonna be
creating a whole lot of drama.
So let'’s just start with Dejay.
We'’ve got his Skype.
Here he is.
Hey, what'’s up?
>> What'’s going on, guys?
>> I'’m just trying to make
the fact you--there it is, yeah.
>> Tell us a little bit
about yourself.
>> I'’m going to college now for
a registered medical assistant.
I have a little sister,
and that'’s pretty much about it.
>> Tell us, kind of, the story
of you and Josiah
from the beginning.
Like, how did you meet?
>> I met him
on a black gay chat.
We instantly connected.
Later on that night,
we actually talked,
and we talked for hours
about everything.
From there, our relationship
transpired to, like, this kind
of crazy love fest.
>> What do you love about him?
>> My personality,
being confident in myself,
it really came from him.
Teaching me how to really
accept me for who I am,
and we just built this bond.
You know what I'’m saying?
He was my first love.
>> What does he want to do?
>> Recently, I know that he'’s
working as a home health aide,
basically doing something
he really wanted to do
is helping people.
>> Describe him physically
for a second.
>> In the second pictures
that was,
quote-unquote,
supposed to be him--
brown-skinned kid,
birthmark over the eye--
still cute, though.
>> Maybe now is the chance
to see if it could
be something more.
>> Like I said, Josiah was
my first love.
When you have that type of bond
for so long with someone,
of course, every other guy
that comes after that you'’re
gonna kind of hold up
to a certain standard.
So it'’s like, you know--
it'’s always that question of,
"What if?"
>> Give us a minute.
>> That'’s fine.
>> And then we'’re gonna call
you back.
>> Okay.
>> Okay, according to him,
Josiah is black.
He'’s got a birthmark
over his right eye.
These are the things
that we'’ll ask Malik.
>> Right--birthmark.
All right, let'’s see if
we can get Malik on the phone,
the guy who may be talking
the guy who may be talking to the same Catfish.
to the same Catfish.
>> Please leave your message.
>> Hello, Malik.
It'’s Nev.
>> And Max.
>> We got your email.
Please give me a call back.
See ya.
I think what we should just do
is maybe get back on
with Dejay in the meantime.
We can wait to hear from Malik.
We can wait to hear from Malik. >> Right.
>> Right.
>> We talked it over.
We definitely want to come meet
you and help you with this story
and get on the next flight
to Missouri.
>> Wow. I'’m excited.
That'’s what'’s up.
>> See ya.
All right, we might be dealing
with a Catfish trio here.
My ticket says "Gate 155,"
which isn'’t a gate.
which isn'’t a gate. That doesn'’t even exist.
That doesn'’t even exist.
We can maybe make this flight.
We can maybe make this flight. I think we got a chance.
I think we got a chance.
I think we got a chance. Whoo!
Whoo!
>> We just landed in St. Louis.
Say something.
>> All right, we made it.
>> I'’ve already done this.
>> All right, so--
>> We'’ve got a two-timing
Catfish, potentially.
>> Right.
Dejay and Malik--
both of them are talking
to a guy named Josiah
in Philadelphia.
>> Correct.
>> Now, whether or not it'’s
the same guy, we don'’t know.
[phone dings]
Oh, [bleep], look.
>> From Malik--
>> Yeah.
>> "Hey, I got your message.
I would love to talk to
you guys.
Call me when you can."
>> Once we get the story
from Dejay, we should
probably then figure out
how we want to approach
telling him about Malik
and then maybe collectively
reaching out to Malik to sort of
start merging their stories.
Off to see Dejay--hey.
>> Hey.
How you guys doing? Dejay.
>> What'’s up, man?
>> Nice to meet you.
How you doing?
>> Good to see you.
Look at the swag.
>> Come on in, guys.
>> Come on, you guys, let'’s go.
>> Let'’s get down to business
here.
>> I mean, I have to admit,
you do have nice balls.
All right, let'’s have a seat.
>> All right, let'’s--
>> And get down to it.
All right.
So what'’s up, man?
How are you doing?
>> Man, I'’m doing really
good, man.
>> And you'’re in school,
and you'’re almost finished
with that.
How does Josiah, like,
factor into that?
>> Josiah is the one guy--
my first love.
He'’s always motivated me when it
comes to really going out
and being who I want to be.
>> Right.
>> You know, I was raised
in a Christian home.
So, you know,
it was hard to come out
and tell my mom, "Oh, hey,
Mom, I'’m gay."
It was difficult for me,
and he helped me
get through that.
>> What is the relationship
that you want to have with him?
>> the only thing that--problem
we ever had in our relationship
was not seeing each other.
So it'’s always a question of,
"Well, damn, well, I'’ve been
knowing you for seven years.
We could'’ve probably
been married by now,
and you just chose not
to come face-to-face to me
and just be honest with me."
>> Until you know,
it'’s gonna just haunt you.
>> Exactly.
>> So he sends you
the real photos.
>> Mm-hmm.
>> At that point,
I would think, "Okay, great,
now we can meet up.
We can video chat, whatever."
>> Exactly.
>> But that hasn'’t happened.
>> We actually just recently got
into it about video chatting.
>> Yeah.
>> "Oh, no.
I just don'’t know
how to work that stuff," and
I'’m just like, "Come on, dude.
After this long,
you can'’t be this naive
or this dumb to technology.
You'’re continuously
putting in my mind
that you'’re full of [bleep]."
>> You'’ve seen our show.
>> Mm-hmm.
>> Josiah--he'’s obviously
already taken off one mask--
And said that he'’s not
the person you thought he
was when you guys
first started talking.
>> Mm-hmm.
>> There'’s a good chance
he'’s not even that person.
>> I don'’t believe it.
>> You shouldn'’t.
>> All right.
>> What'’s going to happen when,
inevitably, Josiah has
been lying to you
about something important?
>> I mean, of course,
that'’s gonna piss me off.
I'’ve shared intimate details,
you know what I'’m saying,
about my life and what I'’ve been
going through.
"You were the first guy
that I really let in."
I'’ve given a lot of time
and effort to this.
and effort to this. That'’s [bleep] up, period.
That'’s [bleep] up, period.
>> Why don'’t we go sit down
at the computer,
investigation-mode,
and we'’ll sort of
check out everything.
>> Mm-hmm.
>> Why don'’t we just go
check out his Facebook page?
>> Okay.
>> All right.
So his name is Josiah [bleep].
>> Bingo.
>> Oh, all right,
here'’s his profile.
>> I'’ve never seen this picture.
>> You haven'’t seen that?
>> Well, I told you,
we got into it.
He got me blocked on Facebook.
>> Oh, wait, you'’re blocked?
>> I'’m blocked.
>> After the argument,
I was blocked from it.
>> Oh, have you guys
talked about it?
>> It'’s kind of like a thing
that happens.
I start asking him a bunch
of questions
and he'’d get pissed off and,
"I don'’t want to talk
to you no more," and cut me off,
and then somewhere again
he'’ll call me again.
"I'’m sorry."
Then we'’ll be right back
with the same thing.
>> Maybe he used it as an excuse
to block you because he
didn'’t want you to see too much.
>> Yeah.
Okay, I feel like,
before we get any further--
when we got your email--
>> Mm-hmm.
>> About your situation--
>> Mm-hmm.
>> One of the guys who helps go
through all the emails
sent us another email.
It'’s very interesting and
curious, and I think you
might be interested in this.
>> Oh, really?
>> Here'’s an email from
another guy named Malik.
Why don'’t you read this
and we can talk about it.
>> "My name is Malik
and I am 20 years old.
For five years, on and off,
I have been in love
with a guy named Josiah,
but we never video chatted
or met in person.
When I started to question him
about standing me up,
he blocked me on Facebook."
Mm--okay, wow.
Now that'’s funny.
I mean, even from what
he says about Josiah,
the things he do
when he gets upset,
it sounds exactly like Josiah.
>> When we saw these emails,
yours and this one,
and put them next to each other,
it was like,
"This is a little bit more
than just a coincidence."
>> Exactly.
>> Well, so here'’s
what I think we can do.
We can call Malik.
>> To see if they'’re the same
person; we don'’t even know.
>> Yeah, then we have a problem.
Then we need to talk,
'’cause we have an interest
in the same guy.
So--
>> Yeah.
Then let'’s give him a call,
okay?
>> Mm-hmm.
>> Mm-hmm. [phone line ringing]
[phone line ringing]
>> Hello?
>> Hey, what'’s up?
Nev and Max here.
We saw your email about Josiah.
And we definitely
want to help,
but we'’re in a little bit
of a unique situation here.
We got another email from
another young man named Dejay,
and--
Both of you told very,
Both of you told very, very similar stories.
very similar stories.
>> We actually don'’t know yet
for sure that you'’re talking
to the same Josiah.
So I'’m gonna introduce
you now to Dejay.
He'’s gonna come on the phone.
>> Hi, Malik. How you doing?
Does these numbers sound
familiar to you?
familiar to you? 2-6-7-[bleep].
2-6-7-[bleep].
>> Does he have a Facebook page
or Instagram?
So what'’s his current profile
So what'’s his current profile picture?
picture?
>> We'’re definitely talking
to the same person.
>> Would you say, like,
>> Would you say, like, you'’re in love with him?
you'’re in love with him?
>> Here'’s what I'’m gonna
suggest.
If you guys are cool with sort
of teaming up to work on
figuring this out together,
we can come
meet you in Charlotte
and then maybe all go find
and talk to Josiah together.
and talk to Josiah together. >> Mm-hmm.
>> Mm-hmm.
>> Mm-hmm. >> Exactly.
>> Exactly.
>> All right, so we'’ll see
you soon, Malik.
All right, man.
>> What the [bleep] is going on?
>> Sorry, man.
>> Like, all I'’m thinking now
is, like, "Damn, dude,
you'’ve really been lying to me.
So my first love
is now my first cheat.
That'’s seven years of my life
that I can'’t get back '’cause
you like to play games.
you like to play games. This ain'’t [bleep] Nintendo."
This ain'’t [bleep] Nintendo."
♪
>> It'’s, like, 6:00 a.m.
We'’ve got to head
to the airport.
>> We'’re gonna pick up Dejay
and head to North Carolina
and head to North Carolina to meet up with Malik.
to meet up with Malik.
>> All right, we'’re a few
minutes away from Malik'’s place.
>> I don'’t think
this is gonna end well at all.
>> You think you'’re gonna get
into it with Malik?
>> I don'’t think I'’m gonna
get into it with him.
I mean, I really
don'’t have a reason to--
>> Right.
>> Get upset with him.
>> No, but it'’s always tough.
>> Yeah.
>> I mean, he'’s the other man.
>> That'’s still sinking in.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Okay, we are very close.
Okay, we are very close.
>> There it is.
>> There it is. >> There it is.
>> There it is.
>> Hi, you guys. Come on in.
>> Hey, what'’s up, man?
>> Hi. How are you doing?
>> both: Hey.
>> Good to see you.
>> Nice to meet you.
>> Max.
>> Hey, nice to meet you.
Nice to meet you.
>> I'’m Dejay.
Nice to meet you.
>> Come in.
>> All right, cool. Thanks.
>> We can come through the back
to the patio.
>> Sure, yeah.
>> Perfect.
>> Dejay, why don'’t you have
a seat on the couch there?
>> No problem.
>> Max, slide in.
>> Slide in.
>> How you doing, man?
>> I'’m good--
tense, a little bit, but--
>> Nervous?
>> Yeah.
>> You and Josiah
have been talking since,
I guess, you were 15.
>> Mm-hmm, 2010.
Me, I'’m not gonna actually be
mad at him because we'’re going
through the same [bleep].
>> Exactly.
>> So I'’m gonna be mad
at Josiah.
>> Exactly.
>> I still love Josiah, '’cause
I spent my whole life on him.
Like, when I came out of the
closet, he was there for me
through that whole situation
almost through my whole life,
almost through my whole life, 15 to now where I'’m at--20.
15 to now where I'’m at--20.
>> I sympathize and I understand
what you'’re going through,
you know what I'’m saying, '’cause
right around the same age,
I met Josiah.
I was just coming out to my--
you know, my family,
and, like he did with you,
he helped me--guided me
through that situation.
>> Yeah.
>> I'’m interested in hearing
your story and seeing
if it'’s actually similar,
'’cause I'’m wondering
if he was the same way with you.
>> How we first met
was just through Facebook,
messaging, "Hey, how are
you doing?"
Then we instantly started
talking on the phone
every single night.
And after five months
of us talking,
I found out that he was dating
another guy in Atlanta.
He was living in Atlanta at
the time, and I actually spoke
with the boy,
and the boy was like--
they lived with each other.
They were living with each other
the whole time in Atlanta,
and that'’s when I called Josiah.
>> He admitted that,
yes, that was true?
>> No.
How he is is, like,
when you kind of come at him
with some right information,
then after that, he want to
kind of storm off
and hang up the phone,
block you.
I would keep begging him
to come see me because the plan
was for me to live with him.
>> Did he ever say
he was in school or--
>> School? No.
>> No?
>> So he nev--did he ever
mention, like, getting his
medical assistance degree or--
>> No.
>> Has he ever sent you any kind
of photos that showed anything
more than just, like,
what'’s posted on Facebook?
>> Now I think about it, no.
I'’m just pissed the [bleep] off.
I want to, like, go off.
I want--I want answers.
We was definitely about
to live with each other and
do what we do '’cause Josiah
was always gonna be my man.
I know that, in the future,
we'’re gonna be together
and we'’re gonna be living with
each other and stuff like that,
because that'’s what always--
he gave me that type of dream.
>> Yeah, let'’s take a second,
please.
This is extra--more extra drama
This is extra--more extra drama that I just don'’t need.
that I just don'’t need.
>> [bleep] you keep up a lie
>> [bleep] you keep up a lie for seven years?
for seven years?
What was the--what'’s the point
of lying to me
out of all people?
We'’ve had deeper conversations
than just me and my--
coming out to my mom.
>> How you doing?
>> I'’m just like--
I can'’t believe that I just
wasted my whole time
with this person.
I don'’t even know
who this person is.
I sent this person
naked pictures of myself.
Right now, in this situation
right now, I kind of feel like
I'’m in "The Twilight Zone"
or some [bleep].
>> The reason you stayed in it
this long was because you
felt like it was--
>> I was it.
>> Right.
>> I'’ve always held on
to that little bit of hope
that I had for Josiah
that this will all come
together one day,
but now it'’s just like,
"Who the [bleep] are you?"
>> Yeah.
>> This is my first love.
Like, every other relationship
after Josiah, like I said,
I compared every aspect
of that to what I had with him,
but now I come to find out,
like, I'’ve held all
those relationships
up to a lie.
How do you come back from this?
How do you come back from this? What else are you hiding?
What else are you hiding?
>> Obviously,
dealing with this situation
emotionally isn'’t something
that'’s gonna happen right now.
So I think what we should do now
is transition
into investigation mode.
>> That'’s cool.
>> Maybe we can get a clue
or something.
Okay, so why don'’t we sign in--
>> Okay.
>> To your Facebook.
All right, so let'’s look up
Josiah.
There he is.
Okay, Josiah [bleep].
Immediately, there'’s a lot more
signed in from your account.
Here'’s a photo we haven'’t seen.
>> Mm-mm.
Yeah, I'’ve never seen
that picture before.
>> No, I haven'’t either.
>> Here he says,
"I'’m almost in D.C.,
happy to be going home."
That was last summer.
>> Nope, I ain'’t never
heard of no damn D.C.
>> No.
>> So that'’s weird.
>> And also, can you
all, like, kind of look
through to see if there'’s
any type of, like, girls
or anything like a baby, because
he told me he had a child.
>> He'’s--what?
>> What?
>> Yes, he told me
he had a child.
Like, 2012, he said.
"Why you living in Delaware?"
He had a baby.
He never told you about that?
>> Hell no.
>> He told me he had sex
with a girl,
and they was drunk,
and he had a baby.
>> Wow.
>> That'’s [bleep] up.
>> It sounded like you guys were
getting mostly the same story
with some small details--
>> Right.
>> But now there'’s
major details.
The fact that he has a kid--
I don'’t even think it
really matters if he'’s the
guy in the pictures or not--
>> Yeah, it does.
>> Because I have no idea
what this guy could be hiding.
>> Yeah, the more we look,
the more I'’m sure we'’ll find
and the less any of it
will make any sense.
>> Exactly.
>> So maybe the best thing we
can do is just to give Josiah
a call.
I'’ll see what I can do.
>> Good luck with that one.
This boy got more issues
This boy got more issues than "Vogue."
than "Vogue."
[phone line ringing]
>> Yeah, hi.
Is this Josiah?
Hi.
This is Nev from
the MTV show "Catfish."
You know, you'’ve been
speaking to a young man
for a long time now named
Dejay on the Internet,
and he reached out to me
because he really wants
to meet up with you.
We also got an email from Malik
We also got an email from Malik with a very similar story.
with a very similar story.
>> Would you be willing
>> Would you be willing to come down to Charlotte?
to come down to Charlotte?
to come down to Charlotte? >> Like, tomorrow?
>> Like, tomorrow?
>> All right.
>> All right. Sounds good, Josiah.
Sounds good, Josiah.
>> Hey, guys.
>> Hey.
>> It ended with him saying,
"Okay, I understand.
I don'’t want you guys
to come to Philly."
Maybe it'’s '’cause he'’s got kids.
Who knows?
>> Boyfriend.
>> A boyfriend--
"I'’ve got a lot going on here,"
he said, "but I would be
willing to come to Charlotte."
>> Hearing that coming from
Josiah doesn'’t sit well with me.
>> I'’m not saying that
it was a guarantee or that
he'’s definitely gonna be here,
he'’s definitely gonna be here, but it ended well.
but it ended well.
So, you know, like I said,
fingers crossed that sometime
tomorrow morning
we'’ll have him come over.
>> Awesome. Thank you, guys.
Thank you so much.
I very appreciate it.
>> Sorry to be the bearers
of bad news.
of bad news. >> All right.
>> All right.
>> In the, you know, younger
gay community, it'’s very hard
to just find that one, you know,
that you can trust and be,
you know, honest with
and open up with and,
you know, have all these type
of emotions towards.
He'’s my run-to, go-to person
when anything was going on.
>> Hopefully he'’ll show up.
>> I just don'’t know
what to expect.
I don'’t even know what to do.
>> I'’m not prepared for
this--not one bit.
[phone dings]
>> Oh, wow.
>> Oh.
>> Oh, yeah, he said,
"I just got to Charlotte.
I'’m on my way."
>> Let it all begin.
>> You guys want to sit on
the porch and, like--
>> Sure.
>> Sure. >> Wait for him?
>> Wait for him?
>> I'’m just gonna sit.
>> I don'’t know what he--
is he driving a car?
>> This is really bad, '’cause
I'’m really impatient.
>> Is that him?
>> Oh? Huh?
>> Oh.
>> This man is not gonna show.
>> A car just turned--
the black car.
>> Is it pulling up?
>> How long we'’ve been
sitting here?
>> It'’s starting to feel
like this is another stunt.
♪
>> I don'’t think he'’s
showing up.
>> This is Josiah'’s game.
This is how he plays.
>> Oh, here'’s a taxi.
>> What?
>> Oh, [bleep].
>> It'’s a taxi, and it is
definitely stopping.
definitely stopping. >> Oh, [bleep].
>> Oh, [bleep].
>> No way.
>> Oh, my God.
>> Oh, my God. >> Whoa.
>> Whoa.
♪
>> Oh, my God.
>> No way.
>> Oh, my God.
>> Whoa.
>> Oh, wow.
>> Hello.
>> Hello.
>> How are you doing?
>> Good.
>> Nev.
>> Josiah.
>> Good to meet you, man.
>> Well, hello, Jojo.
>> I guess you know these guys.
>> Hey, what'’s up?
>> Hi.
>> Hey.
>> Nice to finally meet you.
>> Nice to finally meet you too.
>> Uh-huh.
>> Hello.
>> What'’s up?
>> Not gonna shake my hand?
>> This is gonna be fun.
>> I just can'’t believe
you'’re you.
>> Yeah, that'’s the
big surprise.
>> That'’s the big surprise.
>> Wow.
>> That never happens.
>> Wow.
>> Seven years, huh?
It took seven years
for you to get here.
>> Five years.
>> Yeah.
I'’m not gonna be able to do it
with both of them at one time.
>> Are you scared?
>> No, I'’m not scared.
I just--it'’s just--
it'’s both of you--
>> Yeah, I mean, we'’ve never had
a situation like this, so--
>> Right.
So it'’s, like--it'’s a lot--
>> We'’re all trying
to figure it out.
What was the problem?
I don'’t understand. Like--
>> I mean, it'’s two
different people.
It'’s two completely
different stories.
>> Yeah, but why not, like,
video chat with them
or meet up with them?
>> I mean, because at that time,
like, it--I had a lot going on.
>> Like, we all got things
going on, Jojo.
>> And if you'’re gonna let
me talk, then, you know,
I'’ll talk, but don'’t--
>> If it makes sense.
>> Don'’t jump down my throat.
>> Let'’s just figure out how
we can make this situation
go as best as possible.
So, right now,
you have the floor.
What'’s your deal?
>> I'’m from Philadelphia.
I'’m a home health care aide.
I'’m 22 years old.
>> Have you always lived
in Philly or have you lived
in other places?
>> I'’ve lived in
several different places.
>> Are there other guys
aside from Dejay and Malik
that you'’ve been talking to for
a long time on the Internet?
>> No.
>> They'’re the only two?
>> The only two.
>> Do you have a kid?
>> Yes, I do have a son.
>> You do?
>> Two years old.
>> Are you in a relationship
with the mother?
>> No, I'’m not in a relationship
with the mother.
>> Great.
>> What other sort
of bigger details
about your life
that we don'’t know
or maybe we think we know or--
>> Well, right now,
I'’m currently in a relationship.
We'’ve been together
for two years.
>> Wow.
>> Two years.
>> In real life?
>> Yes.
>> [laughs]
>> That'’s why I haven'’t been
able to use Skype or,
you know, meet.
When I'’m on the phone
with Malik, my boyfriend
is not around.
If I'’m texting Malik or Dejay,
you know, even if I'’m laying
in bed with him, I'’ll turn to
the side, you know,
so he won'’t see.
>> Oh, wow.
>> Right.
>> Oh, you smart.
You smart. Okay.
>> I mean, you all have
every right to be upset.
>> Upset is the--
is an understatement.
>> It'’s nothing--I mean,
the only thing I really can say
is sorry and try to give
you guys answers,
but it'’s not--there'’s nothing
else I can really do.
>> So why do it for so long?
>> I have a special type
of connection with y'’all.
Like, it'’s kind of hard
to let y'’all go.
It'’s difficult.
>> What are your feelings
towards these guys?
>> I love both of '’em.
I mean, I might love
one more than the other,
but I love both of '’em.
>> Who?
>> Well, I mean, I like--
I love Dejay more than--
you know,
but that'’s only because,
you know, I know him so long.
>> Really, thank you.
>> I mean, I'’m not trying
to hurt your feelings.
Only thing I can say is sorry.
>> Do you feel like you'’ve
been dishonest with them?
>> I feel like we haven'’t sat
down and said, "We'’re together."
For all I know, he can have
about two other people he'’s
about to text, you know,
once we leave.
>> But you were lying
when you first met Dejay.
>> Yes, but, you know,
Dejay caught me in that lie,
and I showed him
who I really was,
and he accepted me.
>> So my question is why,
after that, did you never come?
>> So you really think,
during the summer,
I wanted to take my money
and travel all the way to east
[inaudible] or whatever--
>> I would think,
if you'’re in a relationship
and committed to someone or you
feel such strongly for someone,
yeah, I would.
I would want to take my money
to go there.
>> Listen, I don'’t think--
I don'’t think I'’m gonna be able
to continue to do this.
If you'’re not gonna
listen to me, even though--
>> This is always, Jojo.
You can'’t stand handling
the hot seat.
>> Hold on. Hold on a second.
>> All right, whatever.
>> Whatever.
>> Whatever.
>> He can'’t have a grown-man
conversation for [bleep].
He gets mad.
He can'’t stand still to talk--
to have a conversation.
He has to move, hang up,
or block you.
I'’m good.
>> I don'’t got [bleep] to say.
>> Whether it was a little lie
or it was a big lie, he lies.
>> Y'’all playing.
>> Y'’all playing. I'’m done.
I'’m done.
>> I can'’t with that.
>> I understand. I understand.
>> This is why me
and him can'’t talk.
That'’s Dejay.
It'’s just...
>> He'’s got a temper, okay,
but you had to know that coming
here meant upsetting them
and potentially it
not going well.
>> Some real [bleep].
Like, I'’m not even playing
right now.
I feel--I'’m over it.
>> He doesn'’t seem to feel
that guilty.
>> No.
>> Part of moving
past all this now and,
like, actually ending it
is dealing with these guys
and their feelings,
which is sort of what you'’ve
been able to easily avoid.
Just because you showed up
doesn'’t mean you really,
like, showed up.
Now you got to own up.
>> Okay.
I mean, I have no problem
with talking to '’em,
but I can'’t talk to both of '’em.
>> Why don'’t you talk
to one of them at a time?
>> Okay.
>> All right.
So why don'’t we walk back
so that you can sit down
with Malik?
with Malik? >> Okay.
>> Okay.
>> All right, so,
Malik, do you f--
you cool if I leave you guys?
All right.
I'’m just gonna be
right over here.
>> I never told you me
and you were in a relationship.
>> Okay.
>> So, I mean,
I don'’t even understand, like,
where all--where all
the attitude is coming from.
We were never together.
>> But how you tried
to make it seem was,
even though we wasn'’t together
right now, in the future time
it was gonna be something else.
>> You had your opportunity
to come see me
and I had my opportunity
to come see you--
>> And you didn'’t do that.
>> And we both [bleep] each
other at the end.
There'’s been several times
you were supposed to come
and see me and you didn'’t--
>> When did you do that?
>> And there was several times
that I was supposed to come
and see you and I didn'’t--
>> Yeah. Now, you listen.
>> More than one time.
>> You listen.
>> Don'’t talk to me like that.
>> Then be quiet then.
>> Stop raising your voice at--
>> You were lying.
>> You were lying.
All them people that you talked
to--are you serious?
Leave the bull [bleep]
for somebody else, '’cause
it'’s not gonna work on me.
I know the truth.
>> Can you lower down?
Can you simmer it down?
>> And I can'’t wait
to get on Facebook.
>> Just simmer it down.
Simmer it down.
>> Talk to me with English.
English.
>> English? English? English?
>> English.
"Simmer" is something
you do when you cook.
Get it together.
>> Okay.
>> Get it together.
>> Okay.
>> Okay, I'’m done talking
to you.
>> No.
>> You'’re dismissed.
>> I told you [inaudible]
and [bleep] out of here.
>> You [inaudible] out here
and tell--
>> Man, I'’m [bleep] out of here.
>> This is the thing.
Now, you need to listen.
>> No, I don'’t need to listen.
Shut the [bleep] up,
dumbass bitch.
Don'’t follow me.
>> Why the [bleep] are you
running?
>> Get out of my face.
>> See, and then you just
put your hands in my face.
Now, if I smack the [bleep] out
of you, it'’s gonna be
a [bleep] problem.
Dumbass bitch, get the [bleep]
out of here.
You'’re gonna see who the
[bleep] I really am.
>> Shut the [bleep] up.
>> You'’re the ho, dumbass bitch.
[bleep] this bull [bleep].
>> I'’ll be done beat Malik up
out here.
Y'’all playing.
I can'’t--no, I have no words
for him '’cause he'’s lying.
I just want to go home.
>> Right, but are you at least
open to trying this again,
either later today or tomorrow,
because I think
you are old enough--
>> I'’ll try it--I'’ll try
it right now with Dejay,
but I'’m done with Malik
right now.
I'’m done with him.
>> Right. I understand.
So let'’s just walk back.
We'’ll take a second.
We'’ll take a second. We'’ll put the mike back on you.
We'’ll put the mike back on you.
>> Well, I'’m willing to listen.
>> Well, I'’m willing to listen. >> All right.
>> All right.
>> You'’re both adults.
You have real feelings
for each other.
You need to communicate those.
So here'’s an opportunity
to do that, all right?
>> Right.
>> So I'’ll let you guys
do your thing.
>> God, this [bleep] is crazy.
Dejay, can I start by
saying one thing to you?
>> Yes.
>> I am sorry.
I'’m ser--like, dead-ass serious.
I'’m sorry.
>> So then why even do it
in the first place, then?
>> Because it'’s just something
there.
It'’s not--my intentions--
>> What do you mean,
"something there"?
Where?
>> I still have feelings
for you like that now.
>> So how am I supposed
to sit here in my head
to believe the fact
that you'’re still so strongly
feeling these feelings
towards me if you bull[bleep]
the whole half of
the relationship?
>> Listen,
if you don'’t believe me,
then you just don'’t believe me.
There'’s nothing I can say to you
that'’s gonna make you
believe me.
>> Yes, it is.
>> We'’re stuck on [bleep]
that happened five years ago--
seven years ago.
That is your whole issue
with me.
>> That'’s not the only one.
>> What'’s--what else?
>> You'’ve got a baby!
>> That'’s not something
I like to talk about.
>> What?
>> That'’s something I don'’t
like to talk about.
It'’s complicated.
>> I don'’t understand that.
I would never understand
a father not wanting to
talk about their child.
>> I'’m--listen to me.
Lis--oh, oh, oh, pause.
Now, that'’s what I won'’t
let you do.
Last time I seen my son when
he was seven months old.
Listen. Hold on. Hold on.
>> But still, end of the day,
whether you started--
>> You asked me a question.
>> Bring it down.
>> No, no, you bring it down,
because you'’re asking me
a question.
>> It'’s not really that deep.
>> You scooted up in your chair.
>> Stop talking to me like that.
>> I can talk however
[inaudible].
I'’m a grown-ass man.
This is my mouth.
>> Okay, that'’s the end of that.
>> You are full of [bleep].
>> I refuse to sit around people
that'’s not gonna listen.
Only thing they'’re gonna
do--open up their [bleep] mouth
and just talk, talk, talk, talk,
when you don'’t know
the situation--
And you don'’t know
the situation.
So I don'’t care.
>> Josiah, one second.
>> That'’s clear!
That'’s been clear for
some [bleep] years.
>> Just now peeping?
>> Don'’t test me.
>> I'’m--it'’s tested.
>> No, no, no, let me
tell you something.
I'’m not the one sitting
in there; you know me.
[all speaking at once]
>> Do you see me swatting?
>> Yeah, let me step out,
'’cause you--
>> You said you wanted
to test me, and I'’m not
gonna test you.
>> You'’re real funny.
Shut the [bleep] up.
Shut the [bleep] up, Jo.
>> Who do you think you are?
I'’m scared.
>> Get hair on your balls and
act like a [bleep] grown-ass
man.
Bitch, I keep telling you.
>> I'’m sitting here,
sipping my tea.
>> All right.
>> You think your ass is
[bleep] 22.
By the time you [bleep]--
>> Who the [bleep] you are?
No, you think--
>> Your ass is--
[both speaking at once]
>> We got all this space enough
for two of you mother[bleep].
>> That'’s fine. That'’s fine.
I'’ll see you. I will.
>> Come on, how'’d that happen?
>> Know that. Know that.
Because, number one, if you'’re
gonna talk about my child,
talk about it correctly.
I haven'’t seen my son since
he was seven months.
>> That mother[bleep] needs
psychological help.
>> I don'’t talk about it
because it'’s a--
it'’s a touchy [bleep] situation.
[bleep] them.
I'’m done.
I'’m--I have hanged here.
I have done what I--
what I set out to do,
and I'’m not doing nothing else.
>> All right, well, hold on.
Before you--
Before you-- We'’ll get you a ride, okay?
We'’ll get you a ride, okay?
>> So here I should--well,
come right here, right here,
right here, right here.
>> No, I'’m gonna--I'’m gonna walk
where I please.
where I please. [inaudible] please, man.
[inaudible] please, man.
>> Running away like that--
your typical Jo.
You can'’t handle
an honest situation
and be able to sit here and have
a grown-ass conversation
and face what the [bleep]
you have done, period.
I don'’t have nothing to say to
the mother[bleep] after this.
I'’ve gotten clear
what the [bleep] it is
and where we stand.
So therefore, bitch,
you'’re cut off.
>> How do you feel, Malik?
>> Like, I'’m just pissed off.
I feel embarrassed.
I feel stupid.
I'’m over Josiah, and, I mean,
I'’m just gonna take it
that way like that.
>> But, I mean, don'’t get
me wrong; I get it.
This is a very tense situation,
but to just up and run away.
You'’re tired.
>> To me, it'’s like, yeah,
why didn'’t he tell you
about the kid?
Why didn'’t he tell you
about the boyfriend?
Why didn'’t he come to see you?
It'’s all the same question.
>> Mm-hmm.
>> And the answer is '’cause he
didn'’t care enough to or he
didn'’t feel like he had to.
But it doesn'’t matter,
because it'’s very consistent
with the picture.
This is the person
you'’ve been talking to.
>> Mm-hmm.
>> "What am I gonna do now?"
>> Malik.
>> Thank you.
>> You all right?
>> I'’m good.
>> You gonna be good?
>> Mm-hmm.
>> All right.
Thank you.
Thank you very much.
>> ♪ All want is to reset
♪ How I breathe
♪ And slow down
♪ And slow down >> You okay?
>> You okay?
It'’s all right to be upset.
>> It sucks, man.
>> It really does.
♪
I still hold him dear
to my heart.
This is my first love,
and to come to this fact of,
"You don'’t give a damn"--
this is so [bleep] up.
this is so [bleep] up. ♪
♪
>> This episode of "Catfish:
>> This episode of "Catfish: The TV Show" continues now.
The TV Show" continues now.
>> Hey, hey, hey, you guys.
>> How'’s it going?
>> It'’s going all right.
>> Yeah?
>> Yeah.
>> The energy has dropped
a little bit.
That was bound to happen.
>> New day, new emotions--
I'’m still willing to hear
what Josiah has to say.
>> All right, let'’s go.
>> Let'’s get out of here.
>> Well, sometimes what
we see is that, like,
people play the villain--
>> Yeah.
>> The first day, and so,
today, he'’s probably
softened a little bit.
You'’re gonna come
in a little softer.
>> Yeah.
>> Oh, hey.
>> Hey, man.
>> You guys can come in.
>> How are you feeling?
>> It'’s hurting me right now.
I feel real hurt.
I don'’t even want him
in my life.
>> I'’ve heard both of you
describe the way
that he'’s been there for you
and helped you through things.
Like, that'’s a good friend,
if nothing else.
I'’d love to bring Josiah
back over here if he'’s willing
to come sit down and talk.
>> Let'’s try to
get him over here.
>> So let me give him a ring.
[phone line ringing]
>> Hello?
>> Good morning, Josiah.
It'’s Nev.
How are you feeling today?
We'’d like to invite you over
here to kind of close the book
on all of that drama
and maybe, potentially,
and maybe, potentially, start something new.
start something new.
>> Great.
We'’ll see you in a little bit.
>> Okay.
>> Should we play Twister
or something?
[laughter]
[dramatic music]
There he is.
>> Hey, man.
>> Hey.
>> Hi, Jojo.
>> Hello.
>> All right. Welcome back.
How are you feeling today?
>> Today I'’m just, you know,
trying to put it
into everything--
like, just, you know,
leave on good terms if we can.
>> I'’m not mad at you.
Clearly, feelings
are still there,
whether they'’re good or bad.
There'’s emotion involved.
You put yourself in this
situation with two online,
distant relationships.
You have to be open and honest
You have to be open and honest and truthful about things.
and truthful about things.
>> I will apologize again.
You know, it--seven years--
a long time.
It'’s a long time, you know,
to think about a person,
and I apologize that I let
it go that far, but it'’s
nothing else I can do.
>> I appreciate you just
saying that.
That'’s all I wanted.
>> What I want from, you know,
Malik and Dejay is
I want the friendship.
>> I really don'’t want to,
like, [bleep] with you.
Like, how can I expect
to be a person'’s friend when
you lie to me for so long,
and you come out here yesterday
like it'’s a joke.
I don'’t care how you feel.
You don'’t got to care,
but that'’s just how I feel.
>> I'’m okay with that.
Like, I have no problem
with that whatsoever.
>> So whatever happens now
is another TV show.
>> Right.
[laughter]
>> ♪ I'’m looking at you ♪
♪ But it'’s only a picture ♪
♪ So I take that back
♪ But it ain'’t really ♪
♪ A picture
♪ It'’s just an image ♪
♪ On a screen
>> Hopefully he'’ll come
around one day, so--
>> Bye, man.
Hopefully this isn'’t the end
for you guys.
I mean, maybe
a new friendship.
>> New friendship, yeah.
>> Yeah, I don'’t got no problem
with you at all.
>> Thank you. I appreciate that.
I appreciate it.
[phone line ringing]
>> both: Yo!
>> Guys, what'’s going on?
>> How you doing, Dejay?
>> Hey, Max has a haircut.
>> I got a--I got a haircut.
Have you continued
any relationships with
anybody from the show?
>> Malik, I haven'’t--
he'’s blocked me from Instagram.
>> Oh, really?
>> Josiah, after the show,
there was a little attraction
there.
I think Malik got a whiff of it.
I'’ve been in contact with Jo.
We'’re still in touch.
>> Did you guys do more
than be in touch?
Did you touch after filming?
>> I don'’t kiss and tell, Max.
>> Wow.
>> I think that'’s pretty clear.
>> All right, later.
>> Later, Dejay.
>> Later.
[phone line ringing]
>> Yo.
>> Josiah!
>> Hey.
>> Letting the beard grow in
a little bit?
>> Just a little bit.
>> I know you were in a
relationship when we met you.
Are you still in that
relationship?
>> Yes, I am.
>> And have you talked to him
>> And have you talked to him about everything?
about everything?
>> Good luck with everything.
>> Good luck with everything. >> Okay, same to you.
>> Okay, same to you.
>> My mom's falling in love with
this guy Derick
who she has never met.
>> He just, like, really
playing with her feelings.
>> Wait a sec--
>> Oh.
Your mom could be talking to
a high school senior.
>> Oh, my God.
>> You just pissed all over
my feelings.
I want to hit you so bad.
- Your friend was really concerned about your health.
- There'’s a lot of reason
behind some of the stuff that you'’re noticing.
- There'’s nothing that bad
that you can'’t come to your best friend
and let'’s try to figure it out.
- Um...
That'’s the secret. Love it or hate it.
[dramatic music]
[dramatic electronic music]
- Time to start another day.
♪
This is how it begins.
- This week'’s assignment.
- We get handed a notebook
and set off on our first mission.
- I didn'’t know where to turn to, who to call.
I just needed help.
- Every week, we take on two stories.
In each one, someone'’s worried
about an important person in their life
and suspicious that they'’re keeping a secret.
Are you ready for the story? - Lay it on me.
- That'’s iO, my cohost on this adventure.
- I'’m iO. I'’m an artist and a activist.
All my work is about making people excited
about becoming their true selves,
which is exactly what Nev and I
hope to accomplish with this show.
- Are you serious right now?
- When someone is hiding something...
- I'’ve just been really scared.
- Those around them fear the worst.
- This is a secret that, honestly,
you would never have guessed.
- But in reality, the truth
is almost never what you suspect.
[upbeat rock music]
Here we go.
This week, the story starts with Allen.
- Allen is seriously concerned
about his best friend, Jonathan.
- Allen and Jonathan have been friends for over 15 years.
- They both came out as gay back when they were teenagers
and ever since have been super tight.
The past few months, Jonathan hasn'’t been himself.
He'’s usually super outgoing and loves to have fun,
but lately Allen'’s become worried
because Jon'’s been withdrawn
and has been losing a lot of weight.
- I felt like he'’s slowly but surely getting worse.
- Allen'’s extremely worried and has reached out to us
as his last resort at getting Jonathan'’s attention.
- If I think that Jon needs some help,
don'’t you think we should try to get him some help?
- Our goal is simple: find out if Allen'’s suspicions
could be right.
- Then get him together with Jonathan
and see if we can work out whatever'’s going on.
- What are you insinuating, like--
- Come on, now.
[intense electronic music]
♪
- Hi. - Hey.
- Are you Allen? - I am. How are you?
- Hi. I'’m iO. - It'’s a pleasure.
- Hey. What'’s up? - How are you?
- How you doing, man? - Good.
- Wow. Let'’s head in.
- So this is me and Jon together.
- Oh, my God. So pretty.
- Did you guys ever date? - No.
- No. Well, I don'’t know.
- We'’re like girlfriends. [laughter]
- Scuse you.
So we understand that you'’re very concerned about him.
- Yeah.
- Why did you think you needed our help?
- My concern is that Jonathan'’s not healthy.
I'’m really--I'’m worried.
I'’m extremely worried about my friend.
We'’ve been estranged for a couple of months.
- How long has it been?
- It'’s been about...
eight, nine months now.
- Whoa. - Whoa.
- And that'’s weird for me, and we'’re friends.
- Sure. You guys live in the same area?
- Yeah, we live maybe 10, 15 minutes from each other.
- What happened? - Jonathan just--
He'’s just been kind of in a funk,
just down and not himself.
I mean, I'’ve been knowing him for 15-plus years,
and he'’s been a very huge part of my life,
and I would be a bad friend if I wasn'’t concerned.
- What things have you noticed?
- The last time I saw Jonathan, Jonathan looked extremely frail,
and then I'’ve noticed him take some pills.
He carries, like, this little bag with him,
and he'’s in--with him carrying this little bag, I'’ve heard,
you know, the rattling of the pills.
The last time I saw him, he didn'’t look like himself.
We were just talking, having a casual conversation,
and then he went in the bag and popped open
a couple of pill bottles, and I'’m just looking like,
"Okay, is he not going to just tell me what he'’s taking?"
- But he took the pills in front of you.
- Right; I can distinctly remember one time
going to his house, and I saw him--
I saw a bunch of pills on his nightstand,
and, you know, I'’m asking him, "What'’s that?"
And he kind of just, like, brushed them under the bed.
"Oh, there'’s nothing,"
and kind of, like, brushes me out of the room.
- Were there a lot of--when you saw them next to the bed,
were there a lot of bottles; how big were they?
- I saw about--between four and five bottles.
- Has Jonathan ever had a substance abuse problem?
- No, no. - That you know of?
- Mm-mm.
I don'’t know what he could be going through, you know?
I mean, it sounds--I mean, it could be some type
of depression or whatnot, you know?
He could be self-medicating himself.
- I mean, that'’s, like, one of the biggest killers
of young people in the country today
is prescription pills that are not prescribed.
- Whatever is going on with him has been going on
for some time now, and I'’m worried about my friend.
I felt like he'’s slowly but surely getting worse.
- Have you had any conversations with him about what'’s going on?
- I mean, I'’ve asked; he'’s always telling me,
"I'’m okay. I'’m okay. I'’m okay."
Dude, you'’re not okay, you know, '’cause I see you.
And that'’s kind of one of the reasons
why I reached out to you guys,
because I felt like, you know, he'’s not letting me in.
Maybe, you know, someone-- maybe an outsider,
you know, can kind of open his mind and,
you know, open his horizons to kind of let, okay--
and be comfortable enough to kind of want to share.
Prior to everything going on, he was--
he was the "get up and go" type of guy, you know.
- What does he do now?
- Nothing. - He'’s unemployed?
- Yeah, he is.
He'’s a stay-at-home dad.
- Whoa. - Wait. What?
- [imitates tires screeching]
- Dun-dun-dun. Yes, Jonathan has children.
He has two boys, two beautiful boys.
- With the same woman or-- - Yeah, Asia.
She'’s--she identifies as lesbian.
- Asia the lesbian and Jonathan the gay man...
- Making babies. - Having babies.
- Yeah. Well, that'’s great. But they don'’t live together?
- No, they don'’t; Jonathan actually lives--
he lives with his partner, Joseph.
- Have you reached out to him to say, like,
"Hey, what'’s up with Jonathan?"
- With Joseph, I'’ll say this:
we'’re not, like, BFFs or anything.
- So I'’m wondering if you think it would be helpful
for us to talk to Joseph.
- Well, yeah, I mean, I think it'’d probably
then be good to start with his boyfriend.
- Right.
[line trilling]
- Hello, Joseph? My name is Nev.
I don'’t know if you'’ve ever seen
a show called "Catfish"or not?
- I'’m actually making a new show now.
I am standing with your friend Allen.
He reached out to me and my friend iO,
and he just wants to make sure everything'’s okay with Jonathan.
- The last time we spoke, Joseph, you were very evasive,
like you didn'’t know what was really going on
with Jonathan yourself, so it'’s one of those things
where I feel like we, as a whole,
if Jon is going through something,
you know, we can kind of-- we can kind of fix it.
- But, Joseph, if I think that Jon needs some help,
don'’t you think we should try to get him some help?
- Okay. Thank you so much, Joseph.
- Thank you so much, Joseph.
- You guys have a little bit of...
- A little tension? - Tension.
- There is, but it'’s not about me and Joseph.
It'’s about Jonathan.
[dramatic music]
♪
- Allen'’s seen his best friend, Jonathan, pop some pills.
Have you seen the actual pills that he takes?
- I'’ve seen a couple. - Does he take them all at once?
- Yes.
- Allen'’s worried Jonathan is sick,
but we need more intel.
Could Allen just be jumping to conclusions?
- Maybe Jonathan'’s boyfriend, Joseph, will have some answers.
[dramatic electronic music]
♪
- Hey. - Hey, what'’s up, Joe?
- Hey. - What'’s going on?
- Not much. - This is Nev and iO.
- Hi.
- So where is Jon? Is he in the house?
- No.
- So he could show up any minute?
- At any minute, yeah.
- Allen was thinking that something was going on.
He wants to be helpful; he wants to be involved
if there'’s anything he can do, and so we'’re just here
to help facilitate just some communication
so everyone'’s on the same page, whatever that is.
- I'’m a little pissed that my friend
is now starting to pull back from me,
and the closest thing to him right now is you.
- What do you suspect?
- I suspect a number of things, you know what I'’m saying, like--
- Like what? - I'’ve seen him take pills.
We'’ve gone out a couple of times, and Jonathan--
he'’s sneaking off with, like, a bag full of pills.
- You know he suffers from depression and anxiety.
This could possibly just be anxiety medication.
- It could also potentially really affect you
if your partner has
a potentially life-threatening illness.
- Yeah.
- When'’s the last time you and Jon been tested?
- Was, like, last year.
Well, the last time me and Jon have actually had
actually active sex was, like, nine months ago.
- Nine months you guys haven'’t had sex?
- Right, ever since his friend Bianca died very suddenly.
You know, she was very close to him.
Ever since that happened, everything changed.
Everything changed.
- Wow.
- It'’s not unusual for someone
who have lost a best friend to not want to...
- Well, we don'’t understand the situation really also.
What happened with Bianca?
- She had meningitis. She died very suddenly.
- I can be honest with you.
Jonathan--death is not something that'’s--
that is that fluent in Jonathan'’s life.
- Yeah, and I think--
you know he can be so strong,
and he tells me that he'’s okay.
You know, and I'’m like--
- But how many times people will tell you
that they'’re okay and not be okay?
♪
- We know that he'’s working through depression and anxiety.
That could explain the pills,
and that could explain some weight loss,
because your appetite sometimes gets affected by depression,
but the sexual element is confusing,
and you'’re not having sex with him.
Is it possible he'’s having sex elsewhere?
Have you ever, over the last nine months,
questioned his loyalty to you?
- Now I am.
- You haven'’t before now? - No.
- Has there been any activity
or anything going on with Asia?
You know, having sex twice and making two kids
is not an easy statistic to maintain,
so we have to assume that there may have been other times
that they were...engaged.
- Right; I would not put it past him,
because after he had the first child,
then let'’s just say he accidentally had the second one,
so who'’s to say he'’s not going to--
- She slipped and fell and landed on his [bleep]?
- Yeah. - That'’s the story we got.
- Mm-hmm; I love him,
and I know you love him, but we need answers.
Now I'’m at the place where you are.
[sentimental music]
♪
- I have so many questions now.
Tomorrow'’s gonna be a huge day.
- ♪ Yeah
♪ Ooh
♪
I'’m thoroughly confused. - Ugh.
I don'’t feel like we'’re any closer
to knowing what'’s going on than we were when we started.
[knocking]
- Morning. - Where'’s all your stuff?
- In the closet where it belongs.
- You keep everything in the closet, don'’t you?
- I'’ve been out of the closet for a long time.
- Why don'’t you let your stuff out of the closet, iO?
- [laughs]
- All right, let'’s go over
the theories here of what could be going on.
- Okay, so there'’s the physical health.
- Okay, maybe Jonathan is sick. He'’s losing weight.
- Medication.
- He'’s definitely taking some medication.
We don'’t know exactly what and what for.
- Yeah. He'’s withdrawing.
- He'’s withdrawing. Right. - Yeah.
Maybe he was depressed about the passing of Bianca,
so, like, timeline-wise,
there'’s, like, December last year.
Bianca passes.
Maybe he went and, like,
sought the comfort of Asia to make himself feel better.
- Well, we know he'’s spending time with her anyway,
because they share a family.
- Maybe they'’re having an affair.
- That would be crazy.
- [bleep], it'’s happened twice before.
- Well, I know. It'’s happened twice.
- It'’s like an Usher song; like, he stepped out,
and his shorty on the side got pregnant.
You know what I mean? - Right.
- This could be, like, 85 different things.
I think that all roads lead to talking to Asia next,
and I would like to follow up on Joseph'’s
crumb that he dropped us that maybe they'’re having an affair.
- All right. Here it is. One of these--
Oh, there--I think that was her, right, sitting there?
We got to park here and we'’ll walk back.
- That'’s her? - Yeah.
- Huh?
Oh, man, now I have so many more questions.
[dramatic electronic music]
- After hearing that Jonathan and Joseph
haven'’t had sex in nine months,
my main theory is moving from sickness to an affair.
That was her, right, sitting there?
We got to park here and we'’ll walk back.
- That'’s her? - Yeah.
- Oh, man, now I have so many more questions.
Are you Asia? - How you doing?
- What are your preferred gender pronouns?
- "She." - Okay.
- Yeah. I usually go by "she."
- You are so not what I expected.
- Not what you expected, huh?
- No, but I'’m never what anybody expects either.
- When did you meet Jonathan? How'’d you guys...
- I met Jonathan about eight years ago,
and he mentioned to me that, hey,
if I wanted to have children in the future,
then he'’ll be the father to my children.
It made sense to me. I date women.
He was dating a man at the time.
It was like, "You can'’t do it with him,
and I can'’t do it with her."
- Did you guys ever have
a romantic relationship between you?
- No, we had a sexual relationship between the two--
- Like, purely transactional kind of thing?
- Yeah, it was--no, it was never a romantic nothing.
- So the purposes of you and Jonathan having sex
was just to have a child?
- Yeah. It was just to have a child.
- Allen feels like
he'’s been witnessing some changes in his friend.
He also has... - Lose weight.
- Got some concerns, because he'’s been losing weight,
and he has also seen him with a backpack of pills
and taking some pills.
What--do you have a-- does that ring any bells?
- He has been a hermit.
I drop the kids off.
The door is usually left unlocked.
He'’s usually lying in the bed.
I usually don'’t see him at all.
- How long has that kind of behavior been going on?
- For...a few months.
- Have you even, like, seen him at all?
Like, has he--
- I'’ve seen him. - Have you hugged him or...
- I have. - Okay.
- Is he getting thinner?
- He'’s thin, as if he was going through chemo and [bleep].
Hair was dropping from his body.
It'’s very unusual.
Now Allen got me thinking.
If you do figure it out,do tell.
Nice to meet y'’all.
♪
- Oh, my goodness.
- Where do we go from here?
♪
- Whoa.
- Dude. - Okay.
Something big could be going on in Jonathan'’s life,
but the three people
who are closest to him have no idea.
[cell phone ringing]
Who'’s that?
- It'’s a number from D.C.
Hi. Who'’s this?
- Hi, Jonathan. This is iO.
You'’re on speakerphone.
- Hello, Jonathan. Hey, it'’s Nev.
- Can you hold on one second, Jonathan?
- [bleep]. Do we tell him it'’s Allen?
- If Joseph told him about our conversation...
- Yeah. Then he knows.
- I'’m sure Joseph already probably mentioned Allen.
- Yeah.
- So I think we just haveto be--
Yes, we have to be totally transparent with him.
- Hey, Jonathan?
- Your very good friend Allen...
- Mm-hmm. - He got in touch with us so--
- Would you be at all down to meet up with us?
It feels kind of strange to do this over the phone...
- [bleep].
- Whoa.
- Ugh.
[dramatic electronic music]
♪
- Good morning. - All right.
Well, little bit of a morning update.
- Oh, yeah? Already? - Well, I just got a text.
"Good morning. Hi. It'’s Jonathan.
"I'’ve been thinking about this all night.
"Allen isn'’t wrong.
"There is something going on with me.
"If you guys come over with Allen,
I'’m ready to talk."
♪
- How are you? - I'’m good.
- Nice to see you. - You too. Talk to me.
- I think nothing that we say at this point
is gonna be half as interesting
as whatever Jonathan has to tell you.
♪
- I'’m hoping that he'’s okay.
I'’m praying that he'’s okay, actually.
I'’m hoping that we leave
with a better understanding of what'’s going on.
♪
- Okay. - Oh, damn.
♪
- Hey. I'’m iO. - Hello. iO. Hi, iO.
- Nice to meet you. - Nev, how are you?
- Good to meet you.
Let'’s just take a deep breath together; here we are.
Thank you for agreeing to meet up with us.
- Your friend was really concerned about your health.
- Concerned about my health?
Like, what did he--I mean--
- Come on, Jon. Really?
I mean, clearly you'’ve lost a lot of weight.
- I have.
- And I'’ve noticed
you'’ve been taking some pills.
I mean, the last time I was at your--yes, come on, now.
- What are you insinuating, like--
- We'’re just trying to understand
the shift in your behavioral patterns
and what could be causing those.
- There'’s--there'’s-- there'’s, um--
[crying]Ahh...
There'’s a lot of reason
behind some of the stuff
that you'’re noticing,
but I don'’t have any diseases.
- Okay.
- I'’m not--I'’m not--
I'’m not sick.
Um...
♪
The death of my good friendBianca,
it took a real toll on me...
[sighs]
so it just made me reevaluate my life.
Saying, "Well, if I die tomorrow, would I be happy?
Would I have lived a fulfilled life?"
And the answer would have been no.
I would have been living a lie.
So yeah.
[sniffles]
Oh, gosh.
So the secret.
♪
So, Joseph,
I have worn a sports bra,
and I have some breast development,
so that'’s why I haven'’t been getting close with you
and being intimate with you,
because I didn'’t want you to feel my body.
The pills, Allen, that you saw me take were hormone pills.
♪
You know, basically, I'’m transitioning
from a male to a female.
♪
That'’s the secret. Love it or hate it.
- That'’s a big secret. - Where do you even begin?
- You'’re incredibly brave... - Mm-hmm.
- To talk about this.
This is your truth. This is who you are.
- And this is who I'’ve always been.
- There'’s nothing ever that bad in life
that you can'’t come to your confidant,
your best friend, your lover.
You know, come to them.
Approach them, and let'’s try to figure it out.
You know what I mean?
- [crying]
[tender music]
♪
- You'’re still a person,
and every person deserves respect.
- If you felt this way for so long...
- Mm-hmm.
- Why not come talk to me?
- A lot of gay men don'’t quite understand
the transgender world.
- But the one thing I do understand is that
I do love you, so why not come talk to me?
- Well, I mean, I guess I am now.
- So you could have drove yourself to a stroke
in the last six months because of stress.
You'’re older. You have high cholesterol--
- What do you mean I'’m older?
- No. No. I'’m saying--
- Come here, boy. I mean girl. I mean--what is it?
[laughing]
- So are your preferred pronouns
going forward from here "she" or "her"?
- The pronouns are "her" and "she."
- Okay. I Got it. - And what shall we call you?
- So my mother'’s nameis Myra,
so I just took the R out,
and it'’s Mya,M-Y-A.
- Can I please hug you?
I have so many feelings right now.
- Yes! - Not too tight, now. No.
- I'’m so happy for you. - Thank you so much.
- I'’m so happy for you. I'’m so happy for you.
- Thank you. Thank you.
Hug, hug.
Thank you guys so much. Thank you.
- Bye!
- Thank you guys so much.
- ♪ Shadows in the dark
♪ Oh, can'’t we just ♪
♪ Reappear
♪
♪ Reappear
♪
♪ Reappear
- Hi, guys. So here I am.
Hi!
If you guys see me around, say hello,
and don'’t forget it'’s Mya.
- All right, off to Indianapolis
for our next story.
- There'’s something that I'’ve been wanting
to communicate with you.
- Yeah?
- Every time I get, like,
a text from you or my mom or anyone,
I feel like it'’s because you guys found out about it
and that you'’re gonna confront me about it,
so really just wanted you to hear it from me.
[intense electronic music]
So...
♪
- All right. What do we got, iO?
- We are headed to Indianapolis to meet Kristen.
- Mm-hmm.
- Kristen is concerned about her stepbrother Thomas.
- It'’s gonna be really good. We'’re good cooks.
- Hi!
- They met when they were two years old
when Thomas'’ mom married Kristen'’s dad,
and they'’ve been best friends ever since.
- This is so stupid.
- They grew up in Fort Wayne,
about two hours north of Indianapolis.
I'’ve been there, actually.
Thomas came out as gay
to his socially conservative family
about a year and a half ago...
- Okay. - And they were not accepting.
- Now Thomas lives in Indianapolis
and has been ignoring Kristen'’s calls and texts.
The only way she even knows what'’s going on with Thomas
is through his social media posts.
- Lately Kristen has noticed an increasing amount
of posts about drinking, and she'’s concerned
that his partying has gotten out of control.
- Since Thomas is not responding
to any of her calls or texts,
Kristen drove from Fort Wayne to meet us.
Hopefully we can help her reconnect with her brother.
All right.
Oh, look at this adorable little
bed-and-breakfast we'’re staying at.
- Cute. - So cute.
All right.
- This place is crazy.
- Hello? - Oh, this is so spooky.
There'’s nobody here.
Hello? Nev and iO checking in. Hello?
- Yeah, we'’re just creepy people snooping around.
- This is my room. I call dibs.
- Mosquito netting. So romantic.
I like these little doors.
Oh, yeah.
That'’s definitely where they keep the bodies.
- Hi. - Hi!
- Are you Kristen? - Yeah.
- Nice to meet you. - Nice to meet you.
- Hey, I'’m iO. Nice to meet you. - Nice to meet you, iO.
- Have a seat over there so we can all chitchat.
So tell us a little bit about when Thomas came out.
- It was a huge surprise.
I'’m from a really small town, so being gay wasn'’t common.
We grew up, like, where it'’s just, like,
man and woman, you know what I mean?
Honestly, at first, I was just like,
"Um, I don'’t know how I feel about this."
Like, I was really taken back by it, and I was just like,
"I'’m happy you felt confident to tell me that,
but I just need to process this for a second."
He literally packed up all of his stuff,
and he was gone before I even knew it.
- So you don'’t really have any idea
what'’s going on in his life right now?
- Nothing, because I can'’t get ahold of him.
I try to talk to him.
It'’s kind of like ever since he moved to Indy,
he doesn'’t get back with me.
Like, that'’s why I have to follow him
through social media.
Literally, like, every other post is just drinking and--
- Like, photos of him out drinking?
- Yeah, my worry is that there'’s a reason
why he'’s binge drinking,
because every time he is drinking,
it'’s like there'’s, like, a sad emotion behind it.
See, like, with this one, that'’s just from his Instagram.
- Wow. - And then it'’s like this one.
- Like, he'’s got a bottle there. - Right.
- "I'’ve been drunk since 7:00 a.m."?
- Yeah.
He'’s, like, disappointed in himself.
- "I'’m so disappointed in myself..."
Aside from concerns about drinking,
are there other things that he'’s done
that have kind of worried you?
- Well, there was this one time I got on Facebook,
and all of a sudden, he checked in to California.
I'’m like, "What are you doing in California?"
- Huh.
- And he was like, "Oh, I'’m doing,
like, a fitness/modeling shoot,"
and I was like, "Oh, cool."
He was very, like, short and sweet about it.
- Why do you think you guys have lost touch?
- I don'’t really know; the last time he did tell me
something big, it was him coming out, so I'’m scared
that whatever he is possibly hiding from me,
he'’s probably like, "Well, how is she even gonna take it
if she could barely handle that?"
I'’ve tried everything to get ahold of him,
and, like, I can'’t, so, like, I'’m just, like, hoping
that you guys can help me figure out
what'’s going on in his life, because I don'’t know.
And I just want to make sure he'’s okay,
'’cause I'’m worried about him,
and I don'’t know what else to do.
♪
- Kristen'’s stepbrother and best friend, Thomas,
has been completely avoiding her.
Kristen mostly needs our help
just to try and get his attention,
so we thought, in this case, why not just reach out
to him directly right away?
Why don'’t we send him a text
and just let him know what'’s going on
and just tell him, "Hey, this is gonna sound crazy,
"but I asked a television show
to help me get in touch with you because I'’m worried"?
- Who else is there in his life
that we could talk to?
Is there a boss? Is there, like, a friend?
- His roommate; it'’s, like, his best friend, Lauren.
- And are you friends with her? Do you know her at all?
- I mean, we'’re just, like, you know, social media friends.
- Why don'’t we give Lauren a call?
- Okay.
- Hopefully she'’ll answer
and we can get a little bit of an idea
of what'’s going on with Thomas right now.
[line trills]
- Hey, Lauren? It'’s Kristen.
- Thomas'’ sister.
- I'’m trying to get ahold of Thomas.
Do you know where he'’s at?
- I'’m really just concerned about him,
because I haven'’t talked to him in a while,
and he hasn'’t been, like, returning my phone calls
or texts lately,
and I'’m actually with Nev and iO.
- Hey, Lauren?
- Hi, so this gonna seem a little out of the blue,
but we'’re just here to help Kristen
just reconnect with Thomas,
and we can'’t get in touch with him,
so that'’s why we'’re calling you.
- Well, yeah. Totally.
Like, we just want to make sure he'’s okay.
- Okay.
- Hi.
- Hey, Lauren.
- So this is weird. - Yeah.
- Hey. I'’m iO. - Lauren.
- Nice to meet you. - Hi. Nev.
- Hi, guys. - All right.
Primarily why we'’re here is because Kristen is thinking
that maybe something'’s going on with Thomas.
She'’s not even really sure what it is, if it'’s anything.
- Has his behavior kind of struck you
as though he might be sad or depressed in any kind of way?
- He'’s fun to be around.
He doesn'’t, like, cry or anything like that.
Like, we party a lot together.
- Well, why don'’t you tell her
about some of the social media posts
that you showed us that you found concerning?
- I mean, based off of, like, his Facebook stuff, it'’s just
a lot of sad stuff he posts, and it'’s always alcohol.
- When your boyfriend'’s the bartender,
half the time, you get free [bleep].
- Is his boyfriend a bartender? - Mm-hmm.
- And what'’s that guy'’s name? - Clayton.
- Are you and Thomas on pretty good terms right now?
- Yeah, the only thing that'’s weird
out of his habits now is that he'’s never home.
When we first moved in, we would hang out every day,
but now I don'’t really see him that much.
- There hasn'’t been anything that came up recently that,
like, caused a little bit of a problem, or...
- No, I mean, he hangs out with his boyfriend
and his boyfriend'’s friends a lot,
and he doesn'’t really come home that much.
He just got a new job too.
- Oh, what'’s his new job? - What'’s his new job?
- I'’m not sure.
- Did you go to his previous job?
- He'’s not really worked for a while.
- Huh.
How was he paying rent before?
- I don'’t really know.
I don'’t really ask questions, to be honest.
- But I mean, in terms of, like, being up to date on rent...
- Yeah. - Sort of shared expenses--
- He just bought new furniture. - Oh, really?
- Like, last week. - Oh, wow.
- Are you aware that he took some trips to California?
- Yeah, but he takes trips all the time.
- Is he modeling?
- I don'’t think so. - Okay.
- Just try texting him or something,
and then I'’ll let him know that I met up with you guys.
- Cool. - Okay, cool. Thanks.
- All right. Talk to you later.
- Bye. - Bye.
- What are you feeling right now?
- Like, I don'’t even know what to think anymore.
Like, I'’m so confused about what he'’s doing with the time
that he'’s not at work or how he'’s traveling,
how he'’s getting this money.
I want to know who this boyfriend is.
Like, does he pay for all of his stuff?
Like, I don'’t know. That'’s so weird to me.
- I think we should let him find out
from Lauren we'’re here.
Let him respond to your text message,
and let'’s see if maybe he'’ll come to us.
Hopefully tonight or tomorrow, he surfaces.
♪
See you in there in a little bit.
- All right.
Something'’s going on.
There'’s, like, a whole nother theory
that I think is beginning to formulate for me.
- What is it? - Well, he'’s traveling a lot.
- Mm-hmm.
- He seems to be living
sort of, like, a lavish lifestyle.
- I mean, he'’s living a secret life.
- He clearly has another source of income.
It could be drug-related. Like...
- That'’s what I was thinking.
- He could be selling drugs
and making trips to, like, pick up,
and he'’s transporting drugs.
- And why is he buying a living room set
for the house he'’s never in?
None of this [bleep] makes any sense.
None of this adds up. - Well, maybe he didn'’t buy it.
Maybe someone owed him money
or he was on "The Price is Right."
Her not talking to Thomas and not seeing him
is making her a little worried.
- Yeah.
- Hopefully he gets in touch with us,
and hopefully we can reconnect with his family
and get things back on track.
[upbeat music]
- Hi, Nev. - Oh, my God.
- How are you this morning?
Come into my lair.
- This bed'’s pretty great. Got lots of little pillows.
- I'’m glad we have lots of something,
'’cause something we don'’t have any of is leads.
Duh!
- Why don'’t we get him on Instagram?
- Okay. - There'’s their apartment.
Is that the new furniture?
Looks pretty new.
- Got new rims for his car.
- Okay, so this was 13 hours ago, so this was last night.
Shots plus beer equals hangover. Oh, that'’s her.
- That is Lauren. - Yeah.
- Tin Roof. Tin Roof. Tin Roof. Tin Roof.
Everything is at the Tin Roof. Let'’s go find Kristen.
- Yeah.
- I think we need to go to the Tin Roof.
- So at the very least, we can talk to some people there,
see if anyone else can help us get in touch with him
or knows where he'’s at.
Let'’s do it.
- What'’s going on, guys?
- Hi. - Nev.
- Clayton. all: Clayton?
- Friend of Thomas? - Oh, yeah. We'’re dating.
- Boyfriend of Thomas? - Boyfriend.
- Hi. I'’m Kristen. - Kristen, what'’s up?
- Thomas'’ sister.
Kristen, over the last six months, has, like,
kind of lost touch with Thomas.
Our suspicions were going towards,
like, he was struggling with something,
or something was really, like, bad or--
- Oh, no. Like, everything'’s cool.
Like, we spend all day every day together.
- So when he'’s at the Tin Roof,
it'’s '’cause he'’s hanging with you?
- Oh, absolutely.
- Do you guys travel a lot together?
- Yeah, we travel a lot; we'’re actually getting ready
to go somewhere in, like, nine days.
- It'’s just kind of concerning to me
when I actually give him a call, I actually go to text him,
and I get no response at all.
- He'’s really nervous and scared right now.
- Can I ask you, if he has nothing to hide,
why he'’d be scared?
♪
I would beg you to let him know
that, like, she'’s this concerned.
♪
- Oh, my God.
Hey.
- Hey. What'’s up? - It'’s great to see you.
It'’s been too long.
- We'’re not stalking you.
We'’re just trying to get in touch with you,
and that'’s why we'’re here.
- We are just concerned, because your sister is.
- Honestly, I came here to have lunch with Clayton,
so I kind of just want to do that.
- I'’d like to create a situation where you guys can talk.
- I kind of just want to have my space,
and then, like, if you want to get back to me later...
♪
- Then we'’ll see you later. - Cool.
- Okay.
- Clearly there'’s some tension between you guys.
- Yeah. - That was so weird and awkward.
- Your brother was just acting really weird, right?
Like, that'’s not normalfor him?
- Yeah. That'’s not normal.
- ♪ So far away
♪ From it all
- Why don'’t you text Thomas?
- Just be like, "Hey, we'’re at the bed-and-breakfast
if you want to meet up with us."
- Yeah, and send him the address.
- Okay. - All right.
♪
Has he written back?
- Nope. - Did he read it?
- I'’m about to check.
♪
Nope.
♪
- [whistling]
- Is that him? - Yeah.
- Thought for a minute there he might just ghost on us.
♪
- This episode of MTV'’s "Suspect" continues now.
[birds chirping]
[dramatic music]
♪
- Hey. - Good to see you again.
- Hey. - Nice to see you again.
- Your sister obviously went to a lot of effort
and came a long way, and Kristen called us
'’cause she didn'’t know; she hadn'’t heard from you.
She was worried.
Really wanted to see you,
so we wanted to help you guys connect.
We didn'’t know what was going on, if anything.
- We aren'’t accusing you of anything.
We just have grown to care
and are concerned because your sister is.
- That'’s why we'’re here.
We were just wondering if you could sort of explain for us,
like, your partying.
You feel like you have a healthy lifestyle,
in terms of how much time you spend out?
- I turned 21 this past December,
so I feel like it'’s more that,
but, basically, the reason why I agreed to meet you here
is because I knew that what I'’m about to tell you
is gonna come out eventually anyway.
You remember that day when we were in the kitchen
and I came out?
- At your mom'’s house? - Yeah.
That whole situation went down.
- Yeah.
- You said something
that kind of, like, put it out there,
like, that I was gay.
- Like, she outed you?
- Yeah.
My mom asked if I had a boyfriend or something,
and Kristen was like, "Yeah, he has a boyfriend."
- It'’s my fault the way your mom found out,
so it was like I pretty much told your mom for you,
and that'’s not my place,
and I didn'’t even think about that until now.
- I just think that,
like, trust-wise, I kind of lose it easy.
- Oh, like, it was hard for you to trust me?
- Yeah, it kind of made me a little sad,
a little put off by it.
- Yeah.
- There is something
that I'’ve been wanting to communicate with you.
So I moved to Indy and tried to just get away from it all.
I was alone,
no money or anything like that.
So on Instagram, someone actually messaged me
and was like, "Do you do any modeling,
like, besides Instagram?"
And I was like, "I mean, sure,"
because they told me, you know, "If you come to California,
we have a job for you," so I did it.
Got money, you know, that I needed,
but--
it'’s really hard to say.
I did not go to California to do modeling.
♪
I did porn.
♪
So...
♪
So yeah, I'’m sorry, like, I'’ve been not really responding.
Every time I get, like, a text from you
or my mom or anyone, I feel like it'’s
because you guys found out about it
and that you'’re gonna confront me about it.
I was kind of just trying to avoid it.
- I'’m not gonna judge you; I'’m not gonna
not accept you because of that.
♪
Like, I want you to feel comfortable
telling me this kind of stuff.
Like, I want you to be able to be comfortable
and come and tell me anything.
Like, I want you to know that I'’m here for you
no matter what, and I'’m not just gonna abandon you.
Oh, give me a hug. You'’re gonna make me cry.
It'’s okay.
- Does Clayton know?
- Clayton knows. - Does Lauren know too?
- Lauren knows.
- Well, you have two really good people
who love you who really protected your privacy
in this situation.
- I'’m gonna accept you no matter what,
'’cause it'’s your life, and you can do whatever you want.
- Was it just the one time or--
- I did it twice. I went out there twice.
- So it'’s not something you'’re pursuing as a career?
- Oh, no. Sometimes I regret it.
I actually got really depressed about it.
- So you just did it twice, and, like...
- Mm-hmm. - That'’s been weighing on you?
- Yes.
- Where do these films live?
Like, were they for a website or...
- They were for a website.
I mean, it'’s out there, and it'’s on the Internet,
and I'’m always gonna have to live with it.
- '’Cause it was for a sort of popular site?
- It was for a very popular site.
It'’s just scary to have someone be like,
"Hey, you know, that'’s who you are."
♪
- I feel like you'’re really ashamed of yourself
for having done that,
and, like, there are a lot,
a lot, a lot of people
who do that for a career
and also have families
and have completely safe lives.
And, like, I think there was a point in time
when that was a completely shameful,
stigmatized thing to do.
There was also a point in time very recently
when it was a completely stigmatized thing
to be gay, but you'’re also 21...
- Yeah, I wouldn'’t be ashamed.
- And you'’re gonna do so many other things
if that'’s not the path that you want to take.
You can also just look at it as, like,
"Yeah, damn right; I paid my bills.
What the [bleep] are you gonna say about it?"
- Yeah. Exactly.
- This has been a really intense emotional journey,
and I'’m sure that this is, like,
a huge lift to be able to breathe.
And I think that you guys have wasted so much time
by not communicating with each other,
and I think you guys should, like,
ride off into the brother/sister sunset.
- I love it. - You know what I mean?
- Can we please go to the Tin Roof?
Because I want a drink from there so badly.
- I do too.
- And I got to get to know Clayton.
I'’m super excited.
- I'’m excited too.
- Give me a hug. I'’m so excited.
- Yes. We need to go take shots now.
- [laughing] Oh, my God.
- ♪ Look at me now
♪ I just opened my eyes
♪ This paradise
♪ It'’s paradise ♪
- Brother and sister time together.
- ♪ Just opened my eyes
♪ It'’s paradise ♪
♪ I just opened my eyes