Catfish: The TV Show (2012–…): Season 4, Episode 6 - Felipe & Jasmine - full transcript
A single father wants to settle down with his online love, but they have not met.
>> Here's the entrance.
[ominous music]
*
>> All right, get ready
for anything.
*
>> There you go.
A lookout.
[sighs]
What do you think
is gonna happen?
>> Wait.
I think you're about to
find out.
>> I'm a little confused.
>> Someone's getting out of
the passenger seat.
>> My intensity level
just shot up.
>> Do you know who
these people are?
What do you do in boxing
if someone comes out swinging?
>> Let's just agree--
>> Whoa!
>> Oh.
>> Season four!
>> We're here. We're back.
>> This is happening.
>> You've been unbelievably
busy.
Big-time Hollywood director
over here.
I think we need to discuss
the elephant in the room, okay?
Max's pants.
>> [laughs]
>> He's wearing a very--
like, handsome slacks.
Business on the bottom,
party on the top.
Did you have those pants
custom-made to match your hair?
Did they, like, draw samples of
your darker and lighter
gray hair and, like--
>> They thread them together.
>> [laughs]
>> What do we do?
I've totally forgot.
>> We got an email here
from Felipe.
Okay, you ready?
Hope my eyebrows look good.
"Dear Nev and Max,
I just turned 23 years old
and live in Calvert, Texas.
About eight months ago,
I saw pictures of a beautiful
girl online and knew I wanted to
get to know her more, and
luckily, she messaged me back.
She's the most beautiful girl
I've ever seen."
>> * Let me lie with you
* Inside your love
>> Get your hands off of me.
>> [laughs]
That's--that's--
that's very sweet.
>> It's sweet, but there's more
to life than beauty.
>> "I'm a dad, so meeting women
can really be hard sometimes.
But Jasmin accepts me for
who I am and says she can't wait
to meet my daughter one day.
She makes me feel very special."
>> * So you found someone
>> "She is 22 years old..."
>> Okay.
>> "And lives in Houston, Texas,
which is only a couple hours
away from me.
We're both pretty busy.
She works at a hotel,
and she is working toward
becoming a model."
>> Mm.
>> The fact that she's not
a model--
that's better than him saying,
like, "She's a model."
"Even with our busy schedules,
we message each other
all the time."
>> So there's a lot of messages.
>> "We have talked..."
>> All right.
>> "About meeting up..."
>> "We've talked about
meeting up."
But they haven't met up.
>> "But whenever it comes time,
she is all of the sudden
not available.
I'm not interested in a fling
with her.
I want an actual relationship.
Please help however you can.
Felipe."
>> "Felipe," period.
>> He's 23. She's 22.
That's a good start.
>> They're still young enough
so that if it doesn't work out,
it'll be okay.
>> I mean, I don't know why
you immediately think
it won't work out.
>> We don't have a good
track record.
>> Let's get him on,
see what he has to say.
[line trilling]
Felipe!
>> Yo.
>> What's going on?
>> What is Calvert like?
>> It's a pretty small town,
and everybody knows everybody
here.
>> Do you have a kid?
>> Yeah.
She'll be five in March.
>> both: Wow.
>> So Jasmin knows about you
being a dad and your daughter
and she's cool with it.
>> Yeah.
She said, "What happened
is what happened."
>> She's not judging you.
>> I tell her, like, a lot
of things that I wouldn't tell
just anybody.
She tells me stuff that I think
she can't tell nobody else.
And we just--when we talk,
it's just like--
like, she gets me,
so it's just--
everything just goes off.
It's just awesome.
>> * Flash your flood
* Set your fire
* You were born to overflow
>> Something about her just
make me feel like
I can be myself.
I can just be me--don't have
to worry about nothing.
>> * La, la, la, la, la, la
* La, la, la, la, la
* La, la, la, la, la, la
>> So then what's the deal?
>> Okay, I tried to meet up
with her a few times.
I won't hear a response for,
like, about a good, two, three,
four hours.
A few hours later, "Oh, I was--
I got busy at work.
I can't.
We'll have to try again
next time."
>> Now, when you say "talking,"
are you guys Facebook messaging,
or are you texting?
>> How do you talk?
>> Are you on the phone?
>> Just messaging
'cause she doesn't have a phone.
>> Felipe. Felipe.
>> Wait a second.
>> So you've never heard her
voice.
>> No.
>> What 22-year-old girl
who has a job...
>> And is a model.
>> Doesn't have a phone?
>> That--that's why I'm here.
>> I mean, clearly, you know
something seems a little off
with the whole thing.
>> Yeah, that's why I was just
like, "Okay, I want to find out
what's going on."
I want to get to the bottom
of this as soon as possible
because I'm in the process
of joining the military.
>> Oh, wow.
>> So with my basic training,
I want to make sure I have
someone--you know, pretty much
know that I have someone
to come home to.
And that way, I'll be able to
focus for what I'm out there
doing with my training or
wherever--wherever they send me.
I do have a feeling that this
could be the one that I end up
spending my life with, you know?
>> It's a big deal.
It definitely sounds like the
kind of situation that I think
we could be really helpful--
>> We can be of service here.
>> Yeah.
>> That'd be awesome.
>> All right, Felipe,
see you really soon, buddy.
>> Thanks, Nev.
>> Obviously, we know from
previous seasons, if you don't
speak on the phone,
big problems.
>> If he has never heard
her voice, it could be Jas-man.
[laughter]
All right, we better go.
>> * Taking more
* From the moment
>> Nev, does this feel like
the camerawork of
a feature film director?
>> I feel like a movie star.
>> You feel like a movie star?
You've always felt like
a movie star.
>> * What's gonna take you *
* Forward
* What's gonna pass you by *
>> Yeah!
>> A phoneless model.
She's phoneless.
It doesn't take a seasoned
catfish detective to say that
something's definitely up here.
Here we are.
>> See if we can help this kid.
Come on in.
>> [puffing]
>> Is that him?
Oh, man, that is him.
>> Get it.
Yep. Yep.
>> Raging catfish.
How you doing?
>> Good.
>> Don't let us interrupt.
>> Get over here.
All right.
Don't let him get in your head,
all right?
Just keep your feet moving.
Give him the one-two.
Go for the gut.
Now get in there!
Get in there!
>> [puffing]
>> Yes.
Go left.
Yep.
>> All right, cool.
Let's sit down
and take a load off.
>> You're fast.
I noticed that over there.
>> Yeah, I did track, football,
cross-country, wrestling.
I had a few scholarships
to play, but I got injured,
and I lost it all--
like, pretty much, like,
all the schools,
and gave that up and started
trying to find other ways
of providing for my family.
>> What's your family like?
>> We're actually pretty close.
We all live within
the same block.
We buy land, and we all built
our own houses on our land.
My sisters, they bought
their land, and they built
their houses there.
>> And do they have families?
>> Yeah.
And I bought me one,
and I'm ready to build a house
with my future wife and kids.
>> Wow, so you're already
sort of thinking about...
>> Yeah.
>> Settling down and...
>> Yeah.
>> Having a little house.
>> Even if it was just
a small house, but it would be--
it'd be our home.
>> Do you think that Jasmin
could be the person?
>> Yeah.
Me and her can build
a home together.
The way we talk, she sound like
she's down, you know?
>> Do you have a picture of her?
>> Yeah.
>> Okay.
>> All right, wait.
Hold on. Time-out.
Let's see this.
>> Whew.
Va-va-voom.
Cute.
>> Yeah, wow.
>> Wow. Oh, my God.
>> I mean, those boobs are
bigger than you.
>> Yeah.
>> How much of your attraction
to her has to do with the way
she looks versus, like,
the way you guys talk
and how you feel about her?
>> Like, I'm attracted to her,
like, very, but it's more--
I get more attracted
to the talking
once I find out
how the person is.
>> So what Jasmin represents
for you is, like, a major piece
in the sort of puzzle that
you're trying to put together
of your life.
>> Yeah.
>> That dream kind of involves
meeting this girl and making
sure she's legit.
>> Yeah.
>> And do your friends
and family--do they know
about Jasmin?
Are they skeptical?
>> A little bit.
>> Are you skeptical?
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah?
>> Like, just the simple fact
that she just won't even pick up
the phone and just say, "Hey."
>> Right.
>> You know, just let me
hear her voice.
Even if it's not her, and if
it's just another girl,
then I would be like,
"Okay, well, you know what?
We've built
this emotional relationship.
Let's see what we can do
with it."
>> We're pulling for you, but
we want to find out the truth,
whatever that is.
>> Cool.
>> All right, man.
>> All right.
>> Good to meet you.
>> Same here.
>> I think he's underplaying how
important her looks are.
But I really like this kid.
He's sweet.
He's got a sweet dream.
>> His life in the next
5, 10, 15 years is hinged on
a successful, strong
relationship.
But nothing about
his relationship with Jasmin
suggests that she is who
she says she is.
>> All right,
time to investigate.
>> It's been a little while.
>> Yeah.
>> Don't forget...
>> My fingers are
a little rusty.
>> I'm the captain.
>> [laughs]
We know how--
>> You're the notetaker.
>> But it takes longer when
you're searching.
>> No, you get to watch
and think while I'm doing
the grunt work, and then
you have these great ideas,
which are great, but only
because you've had the luxury of
sitting there observing.
>> [laughs]
>> So here's what we got.
We've got a guy, Felipe,
who thinks he could be in love
with Jasmin.
They've never spoken
on the phone.
He's starting to plan a future
with someone he has no idea
who they are.
>> He's literally "plotting"
this future.
>> Right.
>> The first thing we're clearly
going to do is prove or disprove
that the girl in the pictures
is the girl he's talking to.
>> So just looking at her
Facebook page,
right off the bat--let's see.
>> It's a lot of sexually
suggestive pictures.
>> Wow, 576 people liked this
picture she posted.
1,000 people liked this picture.
Wow, she gets a lot of,
like, attention.
>> Let's run an image search.
>> Here we go, first image.
>> There she is.
>> Paris Roxanne.
>> There's a Facebook page.
I mean, this feels like
a fake account too.
It's just tons and tons
of pictures.
>> Yeah.
>> Here, look.
"See more results
for Paris Roxanne."
Oh, man.
>> Whoa.
>> Look at this one.
"Paris Roxanne, public figure."
>> It's got the most likes out
of all of them.
>> Look, another one.
Public figure, 5,000.
Another one, different.
41,000 likes.
>> So she's a very faked person.
>> Right.
Instagram.
>> Oh, there's an Instagram.
>> It's got 132,000 followers.
>> Wow.
>> This looks like a real
Instagram account.
It's got pictures of her
with other people.
It's got some videos.
Let's do a Google search
for Paris Roxanne.
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
What is this?
The Birdman's Vengeful Ghost.
"Last December,
Shelly Lynne Chartier
was accused of masterminding
an elaborate web scam."
>> "She began setting up fake
Facebook profiles for a wide
range of celebrities..."
>> "Including Paris Roxanne..."
>> Boom.
>> "A 17-year-old aspiring model
from just outside Los Angeles,
and even a 35-year-old
NBA player,
Chris 'Birdman' Andersen.
Both Andersen and Roxanne
believed they were sending
each other messages and starting
an intimate relationship,
but their messages were being
filtered through Chartier's fake
profile pages, which meant she
could manipulate any of their
messages, and she did, often.
Eventually, a meeting was
arranged between Andersen
and Paris Roxanne.
They spent a few days together
in Denver, had consensual sex,
and then Roxanne went home.
When the pair stopped
communicating, Shelly Lynne
lashed out like a scorned lover.
She blackmailed Andersen for
hush money by posing as
Roxanne's mother.
'I know what you did,'
she told Andersen.
The legal age of consent in
Colorado is 17.
Andersen knew he hadn't broken
any laws, but he decided
that a small payoff
was better than
a public relations fiasco,
so they agreed to send
a nominal fee
to an undisclosed location."
>> Wow.
>> "District attorneys in
Colorado have filed 15 charges
against Chartier.
The trial won't be scheduled
until 2015 at the earliest."
Shelly Lynne set up,
almost like "Cupid,"
this famous basketball player
and this 17-year-old girl
from California.
And their relationship ends.
She gets upset, figures now that
they've had sex and one of
them's very young, "I can now
use this against him."
The bottom line is,
whoever Felipe is talking to
is using the pictures of
this girl, Paris Roxanne--
>> And she's been used as bait
before in a catfish scheme.
>> We need to just make sure
that the girl in the pictures
is Paris Roxanne and that she,
in no way, has ever communicated
with Felipe.
All right, so here's her
Instagram.
We'll send her a quick video
message.
Hey, Paris, it's Nev and Max
from the MTV show Catfish.
We would love to talk to you.
We have some questions.
So, hit me up, send me your
number, and we'll--
we'll FaceTime.
Thanks.
Sent.
[suspenseful music]
*
[phone vibrating]
>> Did you get something?
>> Yes.
Wow, Paris, "Hey.
My Skype name..."
>> Let's Skype her.
[Skype trilling]
>> How you doing?
>> Hi, nice to meet you guys.
>> Nice to meet you too.
I understand you went through
quite an ordeal.
>> A major ordeal, yeah.
>> The reason why we kind of
came upon you, and--and this
whole story is that we've just
met a young man, Felipe,
who believes that he's having a
relationship with this girl
named...
>> Jasmin.
>> Jasmin Gonzalez.
>> Who's using your photos.
>> Wow.
>> I know.
Is it still happening a lot?
>> For the purposes of our
investigation, what would be
really helpful for us
is just to have you record a
short little greeting to Felipe
so we have that to show him.
>> Okay, you ready?
>> Yeah.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah, no, that was great.
Thank you.
Sorry you had to get sort of
wrapped up in all of this,
but thanks for being a part of
it.
Bye.
>> Bye.
>> Bye.
>> All right, so now we've got
everything we need to without
any doubt prove to Felipe
he's not talking to Paris.
>> Well, Felipe's going to be
devastated by that video.
It's gonna be tough.
>> Yes, it's a bummer, but...
>> Who has he been talking to?
[phone trilling]
>> Hello?
>> Felipe.
>> Hey, what's going on?
>> We wanted to see where you
were at so that we could come
meet you and go over some stuff.
You're at your house?
>> Yeah.
>> All right, great.
See you in a little bit.
I think it's right on this
street.
>> There he is.
>> What's going on?
How's it going?
>> How you doing, man?
>> I'm good.
>> This your joint?
>> Yeah.
>> Where's your plot?
>> Like, from the beginning of
this to where the trees are at.
>> Wow. So that's pretty big.
>> Yeah.
>> This is kinda where you see
you and Jasmin living.
>> Yeah.
I want to have the house in the
middle.
>> Okay.
>> That way we have the front
space, and then we have a
backyard for, like, you know,
kids to just go run around
and play.
>> One day this will all be--
>> Be something, yeah.
We'll be getting it all cleaned
up.
>> You don't need anything
except for someone to...
>> Do it with.
>> To do it with.
Got a bunch of things to talk
about.
>> So here's what's up.
We figured we would start
with her Facebook page.
>> Yeah.
>> So we went to her photos,
and we found a bunch,
so we did a Google image search.
And that immediately got
a bunch of hits.
>> Paris Roxanne.
>> Paris Roxanne.
>> Have you ever heard that
name before, Paris Roxanne?
>> No, never have.
>> All right, so after that,
we went on Facebook,
and we just did a search for
Paris Roxanne,
and look what we found.
A ton of fake profiles.
There's dozens and dozens.
>> They're all Paris Roxanne.
>> Then we just did a Google
search for Paris Roxanne,
and what's crazy is that the
girl in the pictures became sort
of "famous" because she was
faked.
Someone found this 17-year-old
girl that no one had heard of,
created this profile,
and it turned into a huge
national story,
and since then,
now everybody's using her
pictures to make fake accounts.
>> Right, so now there are all
these fake Paris Roxanne
accounts.
She's become a famous fake.
>> Once we knew the girl in the
pictures name was Paris Roxanne,
I sent her a message and said,
"Hey, can we talk to you?"
She wanted you to see this.
>> Hello, Felipe.
My name is Paris Roxanne,
and I'm not the person you've
been talking to.
So, I'm really sorry.
[somber music]
*
>> [sighs]
*
Oh, I don't even--
Like, I don't even know what--
just, you know, how to--what to
say.
Where can I find my happiness?
You know, you walk around,
you see everybody happy.
Where's mine?
Why can't I walk around with a
smile on my face?
*
[exhales deeply]
*
>> You all right?
>> Yeah.
*
>> * It's all right *
* It's all right *
*
* It's all right *
* It's all right *
* You see the fault lines
* Started panicking
* It's all right *
* It's all right *
>> So, um, what do you think?
>> I mean...
well, now that I know I've
been lied to and all that,
I guess now I'll be--I guess I
just want to know why.
Now I want to find out who it
is.
So, get to the bottom of it.
I got questions I want to ask
them, you know?
>> Yeah.
Well, and you deserve I think...
>> Yeah.
>> To know the truth.
I feel like the best way to get
in touch with them would be
through Facebook.
If you're okay with it,
we can send them a message.
>> Yeah. Sounds good.
>> Hey, man, hit the bag.
>> We'll call you later.
>> * Don't be consumed *
>> [sighs]
>> That was pretty rough.
>> Yeah.
>> [puffing]
>> He doesn't expect this kind
of deceit because he's not
like that.
>> And now, I mean, the big
question is, who is this person?
>> [puffing]
>> It could really be anybody.
>> * It's all right *
* It's all right *
>> It was a sad afternoon.
>> Well, Felipe, he basically
took it how I imagined he would
take it, which is pretty hard.
>> We need to figure out who
we're dealing with.
>> Yeah.
>> Because right now we've got a
catfish who has unknown motives,
unknown location,
unknown gender.
I mean, we know nothing.
>> We need to craft a very
good email.
>> Yeah.
So, here we go.
Message to Jasmin Gonzalez.
>> Okay.
>> "My name is Nev Schulman."
>> "My name is Nev."
>> "I am currently in Texas."
>> "We are here helping..."
>> "Felipe, who I understand
you..."
>> "Have been talking to."
>> "Have been--" right.
>> "Felipe now knows you are not
the girl in the pictures,
but still wants to meet you."
>> "This may be your last chance
to tell Felipe the truth.
Sincerely, Nev"
Well, nothing else that we can
really do right now.
We gotta just wait and see if
she gets back to us.
Oh, yeah.
We got a message.
>> Jasmin Gonzalez, "Is this
really Nev?"
Oh, she has the audacity to
challenge your identity.
>> I know, I know. It's okay.
It's okay.
I'll play this game.
"Yes, this is really Nev."
>> All right, ball's in your
court, Jas-man.
>> Oh. "Can you inbox me a
picture so I know it's you?"
>> I mean, the irony is just too
much to handle.
>> Ready?
[beeping]
All right, I'm sending her
this picture.
>> Proven.
Jas-man, show yourself.
>> Here we go.
>> "Okay, thanks.
So what do you want?"
>> Wow.
>> All right.
>> Getting down to brass tacks
here.
We would love to meet you.
>> "Would like to meet you
with..."
>> both:"Felipe."
>> "So he can get some answers."
>> Oh.
>> Oh.
>> "Well, first of all,
is Felipe upset?"
All right, so she obviously is
concerned.
>> Okay. Yes, Felipe is upset.
>> "If he knows I'm not the
person on the profile,
why does he need someone else to
contact me?"
>> I don't like Jasmin's
attitude here.
>> "If you're down to meet up,
we're in Calvert with Felipe.
Are you here in Texas?"
"I'm with some friends
in Bryan today.
I can figure out a place
to meet."
>> She's in Bryan.
>> That's, like, the next town
over, right?
>> Adjacent.
It's the next big town.
>> So she lives really close to
him.
>> Right, so she's not--
>> So they could know each
other.
>> Right. They could, and she's
not in Houston.
>> Right.
>> She's here.
>> Let's call Felipe and give
him the update.
>> Oh, wait, wait.
We got something from Jasmin.
>> "We can meet at Eastside park
in Hearne."
Okay.
Hey, Felipe.
>> Hey, what's going on?
>> Hey, good morning.
We just finished having a
conversation with Jasmin.
She said she's in Bryan today,
but that she'll have some time
to meet us at a park in Hearne.
All right, cool.
We'll see you in a little bit.
Later.
>> both: Hey.
>> How's it going?
>> Yo.
>> What's up, bro?
>> How's it going?
>> How you doing?
>> I'm good.
>> You ready?
Let's head over.
What was it like after we left
yesterday?
>> As soon as y'all left,
my mind just started, like,
racing.
I had to refocus myself
to control my anger.
>> * Oh
* I'm coming home *
>> Like, why did I open up to
this person and let it go on as
long as it did?
>> * Fire
* Through water
* I'm coming home *
>> The things that she told me,
were they real or just a part of
the whole lie?
>> * Fire
* Water
* Fire
* And water
>> Just be ready for anything.
>> * I'm coming home *
>> We really don't know anything
about this person.
That means they could be anyone.
Any age, any sex.
>> Right, we know nothing.
>> Yeah.
>> What do you do in boxing if
someone comes out swinging?
>> Just let them swing
themself out.
>> Here's the entrance.
[ominous music]
*
>> All right, get ready for
anything.
*
>> This is as good a spot as
any.
There you go.
A lookout.
[exhales deeply]
*
Oh, here we go.
>> This guy's coming.
*
>> I'm a little confused.
>> Wait.
I think you're about to find
out.
I think this could be
our person.
>> My intensity level
just shot up.
>> Someone's getting out of
the passenger seat.
There's a lady on the left,
and a guy on the right.
Do you know who these people
are?
>> I know the--I know the
female.
>> Who is she?
>> You do?
>> Yeah, I've hung with her
a few times.
>> Like, dated her?
>> Yeah.
>> Did you diss her?
>> No.
She kind of dissed me.
*
>> How you doing?
>> Hi, I'm good.
>> What's your name?
>> My name is Alex.
>> Alex?
>> Yes.
>> Okay, hi. And your name?
>> Luis.
>> Luis, good to meet you.
I'm Nev, and next to me, Max.
>> Hi.
>> Hi.
>> What's funny?
>> I'm not laughing, I'm just--
>> Nervous.
>> Yeah.
>> Nervous, okay.
>> Who's Jasmin?
>> Me.
>> You're Jasmin?
>> Mm-hmm.
>> Okay.
>> Then who are you?
>> Well, I'm his best friend.
I'm here because I dated Felipe,
and I found out that
he was messaging Jasmin.
Luis told me.
I felt, you know, really hurt.
I didn't say anything.
I just stopped it.
*
>> He didn't tell me--
>> So you got--wait, have you
guys ever met?
>> No.
>> So let me just clarify.
So...
when did you guys start dating?
>> Like, in June.
>> So six months ago.
>> Mm-hmm.
>> And according to Felipe,
you messaged him--
>> Way before that.
>> Right.
>> Mm-hmm.
>> You had up this profile
for Jasmin, and at some point
you saw Felipe,
you started talking.
>> Mm-hmm.
>> Then after you guys started
talking,
you guys started dating.
>> Mm-hmm.
>> Yeah.
>> Did you have sex?
>> Yeah.
I didn't even tell Luis
about him.
I kinda tried--kind of wanted,
you know, to keep it, like,
a secret.
>> Okay.
>> And then when I finally did
tell Luis,
he told me everything.
*
I've known about this profile
for a while.
>> His Jasmin profile?
>> Yes. At the beginning, I was,
like, totally against it.
I was, like, you know,
"Why would you do that?"
But he wasn't going to listen to
me.
>> For as long as you guys have
been friends, he's had this
Jasmin profile.
>> Yeah.
>> Never really cared until you
found out that his fake girl
profile was talking to the guy
you were sleeping with.
>> Yeah.
>> What are the chances that he
randomly--
>> It's a small town.
>> Very small town.
>> So everyone--literally
everyone in town is, like,
friends with everyone.
>> You've had, like,
an eight-month pretty romantic
relationship with Felipe
as a female on the internet.
So why? Why that?
>> It wasn't really romantic.
>> Yes, it was.
You guys talked about being
together.
You talked about, like, a future
together.
>> I didn't really know him,
so it was, like, I'm not trying
to be mean, but I didn't have
no feelings.
It was just, like, whatever.
>> Do you use the Jasmin profile
to meet guys?
>> No.
>> So then, why Felipe?
>> It wasn't, I mean--
I don't know.
It just--
>> I mean, are you attracted
to him?
>> No, it's not like--no.
>> Are you attracted to men?
>> No.
>> Okay, 'cause...
>> Yeah, I know.
>> That's just what it looks
like.
>> That's what it looks like
to me also.
>> You wanted to have a
relationship with Felipe.
>> But I didn't.
Like, I swear I didn't.
>> But then why?
>> It was just a messing game.
Like, I-I--it's not just
with him.
Like, it was with multiple
people, and like I said,
I text--
>> Multiple people or...
>> Multiple guys.
>> Multiple guys?
>> Like, girls and guys.
It all started as a joke.
And I just--I guess I just got
so used to it, and I was just,
like, playing along with it.
>> What's up?
>> No, I just had to walk away
for a little bit.
Little bit pissed right now.
It's just--I'm, like, two
seconds from just going off,
so I just had to walk away.
>> I felt like I was played
with.
I felt like I was just taken
advantage of by my friend
and the person who I was with,
because why are you
sitting here messaging other
girls on Facebook?
>> My anger's just starting to
build up again 'cause here I am
pretty much--he pretty much just
told me to my face that I was
a joke.
It's just crazy right now.
>> Sounds like this kid is
confused about why he was doing
this.
I don't think he knows.
Or if he does know,
I don't think he wants to say
it.
>> Yeah, I mean, I don't know.
>> Whenever she told me, "I'm
dating Felipe," I had to tell
her, like, "Hey, look, Felipe's
still texting Jasmin."
That's why they broke up,
or whatever they did.
>> And when you broke up, you
didn't say, "Hey, I found out
you were te--," like...
>> I was afraid that something
was going to happen to Luis.
Felipe's not like him.
>> You were concerned if Felipe
knew, he might be aggressive?
>> Concerned, yeah. Yeah.
>> If he would have told me
sooner, I probably would have
been able to make things work
with her.
Probably changed my dream from
being with Jasmin,
and putting my dreams to--
putting my dreams with her.
>> Give me--give me a second.
>> Okay.
>> I'm sorry.
>> All that stuff that you did.
>> I feel bad.
>> I think it would be good for
you to talk to Alex and see if
you can clear this up.
>> Okay.
>> She's got a lot of feelings
and confusion about this whole
situation.
>> That's cool.
I can do that.
[somber music]
*
>> Alex, why don't you say what
you came here to say to him?
>> When I found out that this
whole thing was going on,
I kind of felt, like, betrayed.
I kind of felt like, why are you
doing that?
Why are you talking to somebody
else if you're supposed to be
with me, so that's--
>> You felt like Felipe was
cheating on you.
>> I did.
I was really hurt.
But I moved on,
and I just wanted to tell you
that I'm sorry.
I should have told you,
but I just didn't.
Only because I was nervous about
what's gonna happen to Luis.
And that's why I didn't open my
mouth, and I regret it now
because I should have said
something, and maybe this would
have just stopped earlier.
I'm very sorry.
>> Well, yeah, when we started
dating, I was still talking
to the Jasmin profile,
but for more or less, more
trying to figure out how I felt
towards her and how I felt
towards the Jasmin profile.
Pretty much trying to balance it
out.
But as in, like, cheating?
No, I wasn't cheating.
I mean, I'm not--that's not who
I am.
If you would have told me from
the beginning when I started
talking to you, or whoever you
were pretending to be,
then I could have put all my
attention to her, which she
deserves.
You probably did it for a
reason, I don't know.
But if you would have told me,
I would have been, like,
"All right, cool. It's water
under the bridge."
But you didn't do that.
>> I mean, I lied.
Like, it's understandable now.
I guess we should have--
I should have told you.
I just didn't know how
to end it.
It was just as a prank.
>> A prank on who?
>> People.
I'm saying that's all why,
at first, I did it.
>> I don't know why you're
doing it.
It doesn't seem like you know
why you're doing it.
>> I just felt like no one was
listening to me.
All this bunch of people would,
like, come at me, like...
>> Tell us.
'Cause we don't understand.
>> So when I was little,
this school teacher tried to
molest me and stuff for, like,
five years.
And I was just scared and, like,
finally, like, I opened up to my
mom, and I told her.
And I went to the cops.
And the cops didn't do anything
either.
They thought I was crazy.
So they sent me to a
psychiatrist.
I was just mad at people.
Like, I just started, like,
hating so many people and, like,
people at school, you know,
talk their mess,
and say stuff about me, and...
>> About you getting...
>> Yeah.
>> Molested by the teacher?
>> A male teacher?
>> Yeah.
I didn't know where to go.
I was, like, scared of
everything in my whole mind.
I was losing it.
Like, no one was hearing me out,
so I was, like, "You know what?"
Like, I see the show Catfish
and stuff, so I was, like,
it just got to me one day.
I started the profile to mess
with people 'cause if I can't
get my freedom or my, I guess,
you know, peace, I'm gonna get
it my way.
It's hard to explain just
because it's my feelings.
Like, I feel bad and I take
full--like, full responsibility.
>> Why though continue
with Felipe for so long though?
>> I know I messaged him for so
long, and, like, he probably--
like he said, he felt like
I ruined their relationship,
but it's, like, honestly I
didn't mean to.
Like, I wasn't thinking, and
I just still can't find that,
like, you know, relief.
I feel like this profile just
made it worse.
I thought I was doing the right
thing just, I guess,
releasing myself from things.
I guess anger and stuff.
It's, like, I don't know.
I'm sorry.
>> * It's been a long time *
>> I think that for the moment
most of the answers that you
needed, you got.
>> Yeah.
>> I could never have imagined
this crazy love triangle,
but I don't know if there's
anything else that you
need to know.
Alex, do you feel like you
said what you needed to say?
>> I said everything I needed to
say.
I would love, you know, for us
to be friends.
>> So why don't we just say our
good-byes for now
and meet up tomorrow?
>> Thank you.
>> Okay, thanks.
>> * It's been a long time *
* By the look of things
* A long time
>> I did not see that coming.
'Cause that was, like, way out
of left field.
>> What did you make of
everything he said?
>> I mean, yeah, he's been
through a lot, but who hasn't?
We all have our bad pasts,
but, I mean, that's still no
reason to do what he did.
>> I feel like we were standing
here watching him...
>> Trying to piece everything
together.
>> Trying to piece it all
together for, like, maybe the
first time ever.
*
>> This episode of Catfish:
The TV Show continues now.
>> We're going to see Nev.
He's probably really hyper
because it's early.
>> Hi!
[laughter]
I missed you.
>> Get away from me.
>> [laughs]
>> Today, I think the plan for
Luis is to just meet up with
him, just us.
Yesterday was dramatic.
>> He was reeling a little,
yeah.
I don't think he's exactly sure
why he's so addicted to the
Jasmin profile.
>> Yeah.
>> We've kind of got to get to
the bottom of that, hold up a
mirror to him,
and say, "Is this the person you
want to be?"
>> All right, well let's call
Luis.
[phone trilling]
Hi, it's Nev and Max.
Good morning.
We were hoping that we could
talk a little bit today.
Cool, thanks, Luis.
All right, let's talk to this
guy.
>> What's up?
>> Hey, what's up, man?
How you doing?
>> Good.
>> Good to see you.
>> Yesterday was pretty intense.
>> You've probably been thinking
about it a lot.
>> Yeah.
>> Just wondering if you've had
new ideas or feelings.
Forget Alex, forget Felipe.
Just for you.
>> I realized what was I doing
wrong.
Felipe and Alex was like--that's
just a couple, you know?
Two people.
And it's, like, there's other
people.
>> How many other people were
you talking to like Felipe?
>> Facebook went out of control.
So if I messaged you today,
tomorrow I wouldn't even find
you 'cause there's so many other
messages above you.
>> I imagine that, like,
90% of the activity on Jasmin's
page is men, right?
>> Yeah.
>> You're posting these
quasi-pornographic pictures,
and you're inviting guys who are
saying very graphic,
sexual things to you.
>> I just--I can't sit here and
be, like, "Okay, well I have a
good reason why."
>> Accepting who you are is a
major part of the answer.
[gentle music]
*
>> It was, like, I guess I was
trying to create her in a way
where I can express myself.
I'm not saying 100%,
but I'll put every once in a
while my feelings into it.
It was mostly like a,
"Okay, no one--
no one's hearing me.
My parents can't listen to me.
My family, friends."
And I felt like no one could
understand my point of view,
what I went through.
It was, like, you know, let me
take this on my own hands and
build this profile,
and just pour my feelings
into it.
I--
That's--that's basically it.
I mean, I can't--I can't make--
I can't make an excuse.
Like, that's what I feel.
>> It sounds like you don't feel
like anybody really knows
who you are.
>> Yeah.
I just blame me getting
molested when I was little
for everything that's happening
to me now.
If that would have never
happened, maybe I would have
been different now.
I would have probably not--
I don't know.
>> Finish that thought.
>> It's hard.
It's, like, I don't know.
>> If he hadn't have done what
he did, you would be--
>> I probably would have been
Dad's little perfect son,
or my mom's perfect son,
or--I don't know.
I don't want to talk about it.
>> What you did yesterday was
really brave.
Like, coming out and saying
what happened to you.
That's hard to do.
Nothing else is going to be as
scary as what you've just done.
>> I feel relieved just speaking
it out loud, I guess.
It was, like, I never talked to
anybody about this,
or why I did it, or--just felt--
it just felt good.
Like, I feel like I can
actually, like, move on from it.
None of this should have ever
happened.
Like, I don't want to waste my
life on something that is not
healthy for me.
>> All right, man.
We gotta go.
>> Thanks.
>> Don't be afraid to ask for
help.
>> You're allowed to be who you
are now.
>> See you later, Luis.
>> Kinda seems like what
happened with Luis is that
when you feel like a victim,
you're almost blinded to the
fact that other people are real
and have feelings, and that you
might be hurting.
>> Right.
>> And he still hasn't found a
way to reconcile those two
things.
Luis definitely has a lot to
think about.
>> [puffing]
>> Hey, champ.
>> Hey.
>> Looks like you're hitting a
giant testicle.
>> Yeah.
[laughs]
>> We're back where we started.
>> You know, after the whole
night to think about it and
clear my head, I mean, I'm still
a little upset about it 'cause
I had so much dreams for it.
It's done, it's over with.
Now I just want to try to heal
and move on.
There are things I want to do
now that I should have done
a long time ago.
Focus on myself and hopefully
down the line, I find whatever
else I'm looking for.
>> Keep on slugging.
>> Yeah.
Whoa!
Hey.
>> There he goes.
Stay light on those feet.
>> Champ.
>> All right, reenacting the
famous photo.
Ready?
>> * But like you I'm just... *
>> Thank y'all for all y'all
help.
>> Stay strong.
>> Always.
>> Later, man.
>> Thank you.
>> See y'all later.
>> Later, dude.
Aww.
>> Aww.
[phone trilling]
>> What's up?
>> How you doing?
>> I've been really good,
actually.
Y'all really helped me out.
I guess opened my mind and
released that stuff that I had.
>> Are the Jasmin profiles
totally finished?
>> Yes.
>> Wow.
>> I'm moving to San Antonio
next week.
I want to start a new, fresh
start.
I just really don't have time to
be living that life of
negativity, and always having
hate and stuff, you know?
I just guess that was just
holding me back on stuff.
>> Congratulations on all the
great things that are happening,
man.
Good luck on your--your fresh
start.
>> Thank you.
>> Take care, Luis.
>> Bye, Luis.
>> Take care. Bye.
>> Bye.
[upbeat music]
*
[phone trilling]
>> Yo.
>> Hey!
>> Hey.
>> What's up, buddy?
How you doing?
>> I'm doing good, you know?
>> What about Alex?
>> I haven't really had any
contact with her.
Not since that day that we saw
each other.
>> I guess you haven't talked to
Luis at all?
>> No, but, you know,
if he ever wanted to go and
catch a drink, he can hit me up.
>> The big question is:
Have you been dating anybody?
>> I'm actually involved with
somebody at the moment,
someone I work with.
>> Well, it sounds like
everything's going pretty well
for you.
>> I-I would say so.
>> Keep it up.
>> Float like a butterfly.
>> Oh, yeah. See you later.
>> Bye.
>> He seems to know so much
about me, but it's, like, I know
nothing about the guy.
>> Why do you think you guys
haven't met up yet?
>> Um...
>> If it turns out what Dave's
told you isn't true?
>> Cut.
>> It looks like he's looking
for an out.
>> Is it this house right here?
I hate liars.
>> I think this is it.
>> Oh, my God, this is so weird.
>> Hello?
1680
00:41:03.
[ominous music]
*
>> All right, get ready
for anything.
*
>> There you go.
A lookout.
[sighs]
What do you think
is gonna happen?
>> Wait.
I think you're about to
find out.
>> I'm a little confused.
>> Someone's getting out of
the passenger seat.
>> My intensity level
just shot up.
>> Do you know who
these people are?
What do you do in boxing
if someone comes out swinging?
>> Let's just agree--
>> Whoa!
>> Oh.
>> Season four!
>> We're here. We're back.
>> This is happening.
>> You've been unbelievably
busy.
Big-time Hollywood director
over here.
I think we need to discuss
the elephant in the room, okay?
Max's pants.
>> [laughs]
>> He's wearing a very--
like, handsome slacks.
Business on the bottom,
party on the top.
Did you have those pants
custom-made to match your hair?
Did they, like, draw samples of
your darker and lighter
gray hair and, like--
>> They thread them together.
>> [laughs]
>> What do we do?
I've totally forgot.
>> We got an email here
from Felipe.
Okay, you ready?
Hope my eyebrows look good.
"Dear Nev and Max,
I just turned 23 years old
and live in Calvert, Texas.
About eight months ago,
I saw pictures of a beautiful
girl online and knew I wanted to
get to know her more, and
luckily, she messaged me back.
She's the most beautiful girl
I've ever seen."
>> * Let me lie with you
* Inside your love
>> Get your hands off of me.
>> [laughs]
That's--that's--
that's very sweet.
>> It's sweet, but there's more
to life than beauty.
>> "I'm a dad, so meeting women
can really be hard sometimes.
But Jasmin accepts me for
who I am and says she can't wait
to meet my daughter one day.
She makes me feel very special."
>> * So you found someone
>> "She is 22 years old..."
>> Okay.
>> "And lives in Houston, Texas,
which is only a couple hours
away from me.
We're both pretty busy.
She works at a hotel,
and she is working toward
becoming a model."
>> Mm.
>> The fact that she's not
a model--
that's better than him saying,
like, "She's a model."
"Even with our busy schedules,
we message each other
all the time."
>> So there's a lot of messages.
>> "We have talked..."
>> All right.
>> "About meeting up..."
>> "We've talked about
meeting up."
But they haven't met up.
>> "But whenever it comes time,
she is all of the sudden
not available.
I'm not interested in a fling
with her.
I want an actual relationship.
Please help however you can.
Felipe."
>> "Felipe," period.
>> He's 23. She's 22.
That's a good start.
>> They're still young enough
so that if it doesn't work out,
it'll be okay.
>> I mean, I don't know why
you immediately think
it won't work out.
>> We don't have a good
track record.
>> Let's get him on,
see what he has to say.
[line trilling]
Felipe!
>> Yo.
>> What's going on?
>> What is Calvert like?
>> It's a pretty small town,
and everybody knows everybody
here.
>> Do you have a kid?
>> Yeah.
She'll be five in March.
>> both: Wow.
>> So Jasmin knows about you
being a dad and your daughter
and she's cool with it.
>> Yeah.
She said, "What happened
is what happened."
>> She's not judging you.
>> I tell her, like, a lot
of things that I wouldn't tell
just anybody.
She tells me stuff that I think
she can't tell nobody else.
And we just--when we talk,
it's just like--
like, she gets me,
so it's just--
everything just goes off.
It's just awesome.
>> * Flash your flood
* Set your fire
* You were born to overflow
>> Something about her just
make me feel like
I can be myself.
I can just be me--don't have
to worry about nothing.
>> * La, la, la, la, la, la
* La, la, la, la, la
* La, la, la, la, la, la
>> So then what's the deal?
>> Okay, I tried to meet up
with her a few times.
I won't hear a response for,
like, about a good, two, three,
four hours.
A few hours later, "Oh, I was--
I got busy at work.
I can't.
We'll have to try again
next time."
>> Now, when you say "talking,"
are you guys Facebook messaging,
or are you texting?
>> How do you talk?
>> Are you on the phone?
>> Just messaging
'cause she doesn't have a phone.
>> Felipe. Felipe.
>> Wait a second.
>> So you've never heard her
voice.
>> No.
>> What 22-year-old girl
who has a job...
>> And is a model.
>> Doesn't have a phone?
>> That--that's why I'm here.
>> I mean, clearly, you know
something seems a little off
with the whole thing.
>> Yeah, that's why I was just
like, "Okay, I want to find out
what's going on."
I want to get to the bottom
of this as soon as possible
because I'm in the process
of joining the military.
>> Oh, wow.
>> So with my basic training,
I want to make sure I have
someone--you know, pretty much
know that I have someone
to come home to.
And that way, I'll be able to
focus for what I'm out there
doing with my training or
wherever--wherever they send me.
I do have a feeling that this
could be the one that I end up
spending my life with, you know?
>> It's a big deal.
It definitely sounds like the
kind of situation that I think
we could be really helpful--
>> We can be of service here.
>> Yeah.
>> That'd be awesome.
>> All right, Felipe,
see you really soon, buddy.
>> Thanks, Nev.
>> Obviously, we know from
previous seasons, if you don't
speak on the phone,
big problems.
>> If he has never heard
her voice, it could be Jas-man.
[laughter]
All right, we better go.
>> * Taking more
* From the moment
>> Nev, does this feel like
the camerawork of
a feature film director?
>> I feel like a movie star.
>> You feel like a movie star?
You've always felt like
a movie star.
>> * What's gonna take you *
* Forward
* What's gonna pass you by *
>> Yeah!
>> A phoneless model.
She's phoneless.
It doesn't take a seasoned
catfish detective to say that
something's definitely up here.
Here we are.
>> See if we can help this kid.
Come on in.
>> [puffing]
>> Is that him?
Oh, man, that is him.
>> Get it.
Yep. Yep.
>> Raging catfish.
How you doing?
>> Good.
>> Don't let us interrupt.
>> Get over here.
All right.
Don't let him get in your head,
all right?
Just keep your feet moving.
Give him the one-two.
Go for the gut.
Now get in there!
Get in there!
>> [puffing]
>> Yes.
Go left.
Yep.
>> All right, cool.
Let's sit down
and take a load off.
>> You're fast.
I noticed that over there.
>> Yeah, I did track, football,
cross-country, wrestling.
I had a few scholarships
to play, but I got injured,
and I lost it all--
like, pretty much, like,
all the schools,
and gave that up and started
trying to find other ways
of providing for my family.
>> What's your family like?
>> We're actually pretty close.
We all live within
the same block.
We buy land, and we all built
our own houses on our land.
My sisters, they bought
their land, and they built
their houses there.
>> And do they have families?
>> Yeah.
And I bought me one,
and I'm ready to build a house
with my future wife and kids.
>> Wow, so you're already
sort of thinking about...
>> Yeah.
>> Settling down and...
>> Yeah.
>> Having a little house.
>> Even if it was just
a small house, but it would be--
it'd be our home.
>> Do you think that Jasmin
could be the person?
>> Yeah.
Me and her can build
a home together.
The way we talk, she sound like
she's down, you know?
>> Do you have a picture of her?
>> Yeah.
>> Okay.
>> All right, wait.
Hold on. Time-out.
Let's see this.
>> Whew.
Va-va-voom.
Cute.
>> Yeah, wow.
>> Wow. Oh, my God.
>> I mean, those boobs are
bigger than you.
>> Yeah.
>> How much of your attraction
to her has to do with the way
she looks versus, like,
the way you guys talk
and how you feel about her?
>> Like, I'm attracted to her,
like, very, but it's more--
I get more attracted
to the talking
once I find out
how the person is.
>> So what Jasmin represents
for you is, like, a major piece
in the sort of puzzle that
you're trying to put together
of your life.
>> Yeah.
>> That dream kind of involves
meeting this girl and making
sure she's legit.
>> Yeah.
>> And do your friends
and family--do they know
about Jasmin?
Are they skeptical?
>> A little bit.
>> Are you skeptical?
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah?
>> Like, just the simple fact
that she just won't even pick up
the phone and just say, "Hey."
>> Right.
>> You know, just let me
hear her voice.
Even if it's not her, and if
it's just another girl,
then I would be like,
"Okay, well, you know what?
We've built
this emotional relationship.
Let's see what we can do
with it."
>> We're pulling for you, but
we want to find out the truth,
whatever that is.
>> Cool.
>> All right, man.
>> All right.
>> Good to meet you.
>> Same here.
>> I think he's underplaying how
important her looks are.
But I really like this kid.
He's sweet.
He's got a sweet dream.
>> His life in the next
5, 10, 15 years is hinged on
a successful, strong
relationship.
But nothing about
his relationship with Jasmin
suggests that she is who
she says she is.
>> All right,
time to investigate.
>> It's been a little while.
>> Yeah.
>> Don't forget...
>> My fingers are
a little rusty.
>> I'm the captain.
>> [laughs]
We know how--
>> You're the notetaker.
>> But it takes longer when
you're searching.
>> No, you get to watch
and think while I'm doing
the grunt work, and then
you have these great ideas,
which are great, but only
because you've had the luxury of
sitting there observing.
>> [laughs]
>> So here's what we got.
We've got a guy, Felipe,
who thinks he could be in love
with Jasmin.
They've never spoken
on the phone.
He's starting to plan a future
with someone he has no idea
who they are.
>> He's literally "plotting"
this future.
>> Right.
>> The first thing we're clearly
going to do is prove or disprove
that the girl in the pictures
is the girl he's talking to.
>> So just looking at her
Facebook page,
right off the bat--let's see.
>> It's a lot of sexually
suggestive pictures.
>> Wow, 576 people liked this
picture she posted.
1,000 people liked this picture.
Wow, she gets a lot of,
like, attention.
>> Let's run an image search.
>> Here we go, first image.
>> There she is.
>> Paris Roxanne.
>> There's a Facebook page.
I mean, this feels like
a fake account too.
It's just tons and tons
of pictures.
>> Yeah.
>> Here, look.
"See more results
for Paris Roxanne."
Oh, man.
>> Whoa.
>> Look at this one.
"Paris Roxanne, public figure."
>> It's got the most likes out
of all of them.
>> Look, another one.
Public figure, 5,000.
Another one, different.
41,000 likes.
>> So she's a very faked person.
>> Right.
Instagram.
>> Oh, there's an Instagram.
>> It's got 132,000 followers.
>> Wow.
>> This looks like a real
Instagram account.
It's got pictures of her
with other people.
It's got some videos.
Let's do a Google search
for Paris Roxanne.
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
What is this?
The Birdman's Vengeful Ghost.
"Last December,
Shelly Lynne Chartier
was accused of masterminding
an elaborate web scam."
>> "She began setting up fake
Facebook profiles for a wide
range of celebrities..."
>> "Including Paris Roxanne..."
>> Boom.
>> "A 17-year-old aspiring model
from just outside Los Angeles,
and even a 35-year-old
NBA player,
Chris 'Birdman' Andersen.
Both Andersen and Roxanne
believed they were sending
each other messages and starting
an intimate relationship,
but their messages were being
filtered through Chartier's fake
profile pages, which meant she
could manipulate any of their
messages, and she did, often.
Eventually, a meeting was
arranged between Andersen
and Paris Roxanne.
They spent a few days together
in Denver, had consensual sex,
and then Roxanne went home.
When the pair stopped
communicating, Shelly Lynne
lashed out like a scorned lover.
She blackmailed Andersen for
hush money by posing as
Roxanne's mother.
'I know what you did,'
she told Andersen.
The legal age of consent in
Colorado is 17.
Andersen knew he hadn't broken
any laws, but he decided
that a small payoff
was better than
a public relations fiasco,
so they agreed to send
a nominal fee
to an undisclosed location."
>> Wow.
>> "District attorneys in
Colorado have filed 15 charges
against Chartier.
The trial won't be scheduled
until 2015 at the earliest."
Shelly Lynne set up,
almost like "Cupid,"
this famous basketball player
and this 17-year-old girl
from California.
And their relationship ends.
She gets upset, figures now that
they've had sex and one of
them's very young, "I can now
use this against him."
The bottom line is,
whoever Felipe is talking to
is using the pictures of
this girl, Paris Roxanne--
>> And she's been used as bait
before in a catfish scheme.
>> We need to just make sure
that the girl in the pictures
is Paris Roxanne and that she,
in no way, has ever communicated
with Felipe.
All right, so here's her
Instagram.
We'll send her a quick video
message.
Hey, Paris, it's Nev and Max
from the MTV show Catfish.
We would love to talk to you.
We have some questions.
So, hit me up, send me your
number, and we'll--
we'll FaceTime.
Thanks.
Sent.
[suspenseful music]
*
[phone vibrating]
>> Did you get something?
>> Yes.
Wow, Paris, "Hey.
My Skype name..."
>> Let's Skype her.
[Skype trilling]
>> How you doing?
>> Hi, nice to meet you guys.
>> Nice to meet you too.
I understand you went through
quite an ordeal.
>> A major ordeal, yeah.
>> The reason why we kind of
came upon you, and--and this
whole story is that we've just
met a young man, Felipe,
who believes that he's having a
relationship with this girl
named...
>> Jasmin.
>> Jasmin Gonzalez.
>> Who's using your photos.
>> Wow.
>> I know.
Is it still happening a lot?
>> For the purposes of our
investigation, what would be
really helpful for us
is just to have you record a
short little greeting to Felipe
so we have that to show him.
>> Okay, you ready?
>> Yeah.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah, no, that was great.
Thank you.
Sorry you had to get sort of
wrapped up in all of this,
but thanks for being a part of
it.
Bye.
>> Bye.
>> Bye.
>> All right, so now we've got
everything we need to without
any doubt prove to Felipe
he's not talking to Paris.
>> Well, Felipe's going to be
devastated by that video.
It's gonna be tough.
>> Yes, it's a bummer, but...
>> Who has he been talking to?
[phone trilling]
>> Hello?
>> Felipe.
>> Hey, what's going on?
>> We wanted to see where you
were at so that we could come
meet you and go over some stuff.
You're at your house?
>> Yeah.
>> All right, great.
See you in a little bit.
I think it's right on this
street.
>> There he is.
>> What's going on?
How's it going?
>> How you doing, man?
>> I'm good.
>> This your joint?
>> Yeah.
>> Where's your plot?
>> Like, from the beginning of
this to where the trees are at.
>> Wow. So that's pretty big.
>> Yeah.
>> This is kinda where you see
you and Jasmin living.
>> Yeah.
I want to have the house in the
middle.
>> Okay.
>> That way we have the front
space, and then we have a
backyard for, like, you know,
kids to just go run around
and play.
>> One day this will all be--
>> Be something, yeah.
We'll be getting it all cleaned
up.
>> You don't need anything
except for someone to...
>> Do it with.
>> To do it with.
Got a bunch of things to talk
about.
>> So here's what's up.
We figured we would start
with her Facebook page.
>> Yeah.
>> So we went to her photos,
and we found a bunch,
so we did a Google image search.
And that immediately got
a bunch of hits.
>> Paris Roxanne.
>> Paris Roxanne.
>> Have you ever heard that
name before, Paris Roxanne?
>> No, never have.
>> All right, so after that,
we went on Facebook,
and we just did a search for
Paris Roxanne,
and look what we found.
A ton of fake profiles.
There's dozens and dozens.
>> They're all Paris Roxanne.
>> Then we just did a Google
search for Paris Roxanne,
and what's crazy is that the
girl in the pictures became sort
of "famous" because she was
faked.
Someone found this 17-year-old
girl that no one had heard of,
created this profile,
and it turned into a huge
national story,
and since then,
now everybody's using her
pictures to make fake accounts.
>> Right, so now there are all
these fake Paris Roxanne
accounts.
She's become a famous fake.
>> Once we knew the girl in the
pictures name was Paris Roxanne,
I sent her a message and said,
"Hey, can we talk to you?"
She wanted you to see this.
>> Hello, Felipe.
My name is Paris Roxanne,
and I'm not the person you've
been talking to.
So, I'm really sorry.
[somber music]
*
>> [sighs]
*
Oh, I don't even--
Like, I don't even know what--
just, you know, how to--what to
say.
Where can I find my happiness?
You know, you walk around,
you see everybody happy.
Where's mine?
Why can't I walk around with a
smile on my face?
*
[exhales deeply]
*
>> You all right?
>> Yeah.
*
>> * It's all right *
* It's all right *
*
* It's all right *
* It's all right *
* You see the fault lines
* Started panicking
* It's all right *
* It's all right *
>> So, um, what do you think?
>> I mean...
well, now that I know I've
been lied to and all that,
I guess now I'll be--I guess I
just want to know why.
Now I want to find out who it
is.
So, get to the bottom of it.
I got questions I want to ask
them, you know?
>> Yeah.
Well, and you deserve I think...
>> Yeah.
>> To know the truth.
I feel like the best way to get
in touch with them would be
through Facebook.
If you're okay with it,
we can send them a message.
>> Yeah. Sounds good.
>> Hey, man, hit the bag.
>> We'll call you later.
>> * Don't be consumed *
>> [sighs]
>> That was pretty rough.
>> Yeah.
>> [puffing]
>> He doesn't expect this kind
of deceit because he's not
like that.
>> And now, I mean, the big
question is, who is this person?
>> [puffing]
>> It could really be anybody.
>> * It's all right *
* It's all right *
>> It was a sad afternoon.
>> Well, Felipe, he basically
took it how I imagined he would
take it, which is pretty hard.
>> We need to figure out who
we're dealing with.
>> Yeah.
>> Because right now we've got a
catfish who has unknown motives,
unknown location,
unknown gender.
I mean, we know nothing.
>> We need to craft a very
good email.
>> Yeah.
So, here we go.
Message to Jasmin Gonzalez.
>> Okay.
>> "My name is Nev Schulman."
>> "My name is Nev."
>> "I am currently in Texas."
>> "We are here helping..."
>> "Felipe, who I understand
you..."
>> "Have been talking to."
>> "Have been--" right.
>> "Felipe now knows you are not
the girl in the pictures,
but still wants to meet you."
>> "This may be your last chance
to tell Felipe the truth.
Sincerely, Nev"
Well, nothing else that we can
really do right now.
We gotta just wait and see if
she gets back to us.
Oh, yeah.
We got a message.
>> Jasmin Gonzalez, "Is this
really Nev?"
Oh, she has the audacity to
challenge your identity.
>> I know, I know. It's okay.
It's okay.
I'll play this game.
"Yes, this is really Nev."
>> All right, ball's in your
court, Jas-man.
>> Oh. "Can you inbox me a
picture so I know it's you?"
>> I mean, the irony is just too
much to handle.
>> Ready?
[beeping]
All right, I'm sending her
this picture.
>> Proven.
Jas-man, show yourself.
>> Here we go.
>> "Okay, thanks.
So what do you want?"
>> Wow.
>> All right.
>> Getting down to brass tacks
here.
We would love to meet you.
>> "Would like to meet you
with..."
>> both:"Felipe."
>> "So he can get some answers."
>> Oh.
>> Oh.
>> "Well, first of all,
is Felipe upset?"
All right, so she obviously is
concerned.
>> Okay. Yes, Felipe is upset.
>> "If he knows I'm not the
person on the profile,
why does he need someone else to
contact me?"
>> I don't like Jasmin's
attitude here.
>> "If you're down to meet up,
we're in Calvert with Felipe.
Are you here in Texas?"
"I'm with some friends
in Bryan today.
I can figure out a place
to meet."
>> She's in Bryan.
>> That's, like, the next town
over, right?
>> Adjacent.
It's the next big town.
>> So she lives really close to
him.
>> Right, so she's not--
>> So they could know each
other.
>> Right. They could, and she's
not in Houston.
>> Right.
>> She's here.
>> Let's call Felipe and give
him the update.
>> Oh, wait, wait.
We got something from Jasmin.
>> "We can meet at Eastside park
in Hearne."
Okay.
Hey, Felipe.
>> Hey, what's going on?
>> Hey, good morning.
We just finished having a
conversation with Jasmin.
She said she's in Bryan today,
but that she'll have some time
to meet us at a park in Hearne.
All right, cool.
We'll see you in a little bit.
Later.
>> both: Hey.
>> How's it going?
>> Yo.
>> What's up, bro?
>> How's it going?
>> How you doing?
>> I'm good.
>> You ready?
Let's head over.
What was it like after we left
yesterday?
>> As soon as y'all left,
my mind just started, like,
racing.
I had to refocus myself
to control my anger.
>> * Oh
* I'm coming home *
>> Like, why did I open up to
this person and let it go on as
long as it did?
>> * Fire
* Through water
* I'm coming home *
>> The things that she told me,
were they real or just a part of
the whole lie?
>> * Fire
* Water
* Fire
* And water
>> Just be ready for anything.
>> * I'm coming home *
>> We really don't know anything
about this person.
That means they could be anyone.
Any age, any sex.
>> Right, we know nothing.
>> Yeah.
>> What do you do in boxing if
someone comes out swinging?
>> Just let them swing
themself out.
>> Here's the entrance.
[ominous music]
*
>> All right, get ready for
anything.
*
>> This is as good a spot as
any.
There you go.
A lookout.
[exhales deeply]
*
Oh, here we go.
>> This guy's coming.
*
>> I'm a little confused.
>> Wait.
I think you're about to find
out.
I think this could be
our person.
>> My intensity level
just shot up.
>> Someone's getting out of
the passenger seat.
There's a lady on the left,
and a guy on the right.
Do you know who these people
are?
>> I know the--I know the
female.
>> Who is she?
>> You do?
>> Yeah, I've hung with her
a few times.
>> Like, dated her?
>> Yeah.
>> Did you diss her?
>> No.
She kind of dissed me.
*
>> How you doing?
>> Hi, I'm good.
>> What's your name?
>> My name is Alex.
>> Alex?
>> Yes.
>> Okay, hi. And your name?
>> Luis.
>> Luis, good to meet you.
I'm Nev, and next to me, Max.
>> Hi.
>> Hi.
>> What's funny?
>> I'm not laughing, I'm just--
>> Nervous.
>> Yeah.
>> Nervous, okay.
>> Who's Jasmin?
>> Me.
>> You're Jasmin?
>> Mm-hmm.
>> Okay.
>> Then who are you?
>> Well, I'm his best friend.
I'm here because I dated Felipe,
and I found out that
he was messaging Jasmin.
Luis told me.
I felt, you know, really hurt.
I didn't say anything.
I just stopped it.
*
>> He didn't tell me--
>> So you got--wait, have you
guys ever met?
>> No.
>> So let me just clarify.
So...
when did you guys start dating?
>> Like, in June.
>> So six months ago.
>> Mm-hmm.
>> And according to Felipe,
you messaged him--
>> Way before that.
>> Right.
>> Mm-hmm.
>> You had up this profile
for Jasmin, and at some point
you saw Felipe,
you started talking.
>> Mm-hmm.
>> Then after you guys started
talking,
you guys started dating.
>> Mm-hmm.
>> Yeah.
>> Did you have sex?
>> Yeah.
I didn't even tell Luis
about him.
I kinda tried--kind of wanted,
you know, to keep it, like,
a secret.
>> Okay.
>> And then when I finally did
tell Luis,
he told me everything.
*
I've known about this profile
for a while.
>> His Jasmin profile?
>> Yes. At the beginning, I was,
like, totally against it.
I was, like, you know,
"Why would you do that?"
But he wasn't going to listen to
me.
>> For as long as you guys have
been friends, he's had this
Jasmin profile.
>> Yeah.
>> Never really cared until you
found out that his fake girl
profile was talking to the guy
you were sleeping with.
>> Yeah.
>> What are the chances that he
randomly--
>> It's a small town.
>> Very small town.
>> So everyone--literally
everyone in town is, like,
friends with everyone.
>> You've had, like,
an eight-month pretty romantic
relationship with Felipe
as a female on the internet.
So why? Why that?
>> It wasn't really romantic.
>> Yes, it was.
You guys talked about being
together.
You talked about, like, a future
together.
>> I didn't really know him,
so it was, like, I'm not trying
to be mean, but I didn't have
no feelings.
It was just, like, whatever.
>> Do you use the Jasmin profile
to meet guys?
>> No.
>> So then, why Felipe?
>> It wasn't, I mean--
I don't know.
It just--
>> I mean, are you attracted
to him?
>> No, it's not like--no.
>> Are you attracted to men?
>> No.
>> Okay, 'cause...
>> Yeah, I know.
>> That's just what it looks
like.
>> That's what it looks like
to me also.
>> You wanted to have a
relationship with Felipe.
>> But I didn't.
Like, I swear I didn't.
>> But then why?
>> It was just a messing game.
Like, I-I--it's not just
with him.
Like, it was with multiple
people, and like I said,
I text--
>> Multiple people or...
>> Multiple guys.
>> Multiple guys?
>> Like, girls and guys.
It all started as a joke.
And I just--I guess I just got
so used to it, and I was just,
like, playing along with it.
>> What's up?
>> No, I just had to walk away
for a little bit.
Little bit pissed right now.
It's just--I'm, like, two
seconds from just going off,
so I just had to walk away.
>> I felt like I was played
with.
I felt like I was just taken
advantage of by my friend
and the person who I was with,
because why are you
sitting here messaging other
girls on Facebook?
>> My anger's just starting to
build up again 'cause here I am
pretty much--he pretty much just
told me to my face that I was
a joke.
It's just crazy right now.
>> Sounds like this kid is
confused about why he was doing
this.
I don't think he knows.
Or if he does know,
I don't think he wants to say
it.
>> Yeah, I mean, I don't know.
>> Whenever she told me, "I'm
dating Felipe," I had to tell
her, like, "Hey, look, Felipe's
still texting Jasmin."
That's why they broke up,
or whatever they did.
>> And when you broke up, you
didn't say, "Hey, I found out
you were te--," like...
>> I was afraid that something
was going to happen to Luis.
Felipe's not like him.
>> You were concerned if Felipe
knew, he might be aggressive?
>> Concerned, yeah. Yeah.
>> If he would have told me
sooner, I probably would have
been able to make things work
with her.
Probably changed my dream from
being with Jasmin,
and putting my dreams to--
putting my dreams with her.
>> Give me--give me a second.
>> Okay.
>> I'm sorry.
>> All that stuff that you did.
>> I feel bad.
>> I think it would be good for
you to talk to Alex and see if
you can clear this up.
>> Okay.
>> She's got a lot of feelings
and confusion about this whole
situation.
>> That's cool.
I can do that.
[somber music]
*
>> Alex, why don't you say what
you came here to say to him?
>> When I found out that this
whole thing was going on,
I kind of felt, like, betrayed.
I kind of felt like, why are you
doing that?
Why are you talking to somebody
else if you're supposed to be
with me, so that's--
>> You felt like Felipe was
cheating on you.
>> I did.
I was really hurt.
But I moved on,
and I just wanted to tell you
that I'm sorry.
I should have told you,
but I just didn't.
Only because I was nervous about
what's gonna happen to Luis.
And that's why I didn't open my
mouth, and I regret it now
because I should have said
something, and maybe this would
have just stopped earlier.
I'm very sorry.
>> Well, yeah, when we started
dating, I was still talking
to the Jasmin profile,
but for more or less, more
trying to figure out how I felt
towards her and how I felt
towards the Jasmin profile.
Pretty much trying to balance it
out.
But as in, like, cheating?
No, I wasn't cheating.
I mean, I'm not--that's not who
I am.
If you would have told me from
the beginning when I started
talking to you, or whoever you
were pretending to be,
then I could have put all my
attention to her, which she
deserves.
You probably did it for a
reason, I don't know.
But if you would have told me,
I would have been, like,
"All right, cool. It's water
under the bridge."
But you didn't do that.
>> I mean, I lied.
Like, it's understandable now.
I guess we should have--
I should have told you.
I just didn't know how
to end it.
It was just as a prank.
>> A prank on who?
>> People.
I'm saying that's all why,
at first, I did it.
>> I don't know why you're
doing it.
It doesn't seem like you know
why you're doing it.
>> I just felt like no one was
listening to me.
All this bunch of people would,
like, come at me, like...
>> Tell us.
'Cause we don't understand.
>> So when I was little,
this school teacher tried to
molest me and stuff for, like,
five years.
And I was just scared and, like,
finally, like, I opened up to my
mom, and I told her.
And I went to the cops.
And the cops didn't do anything
either.
They thought I was crazy.
So they sent me to a
psychiatrist.
I was just mad at people.
Like, I just started, like,
hating so many people and, like,
people at school, you know,
talk their mess,
and say stuff about me, and...
>> About you getting...
>> Yeah.
>> Molested by the teacher?
>> A male teacher?
>> Yeah.
I didn't know where to go.
I was, like, scared of
everything in my whole mind.
I was losing it.
Like, no one was hearing me out,
so I was, like, "You know what?"
Like, I see the show Catfish
and stuff, so I was, like,
it just got to me one day.
I started the profile to mess
with people 'cause if I can't
get my freedom or my, I guess,
you know, peace, I'm gonna get
it my way.
It's hard to explain just
because it's my feelings.
Like, I feel bad and I take
full--like, full responsibility.
>> Why though continue
with Felipe for so long though?
>> I know I messaged him for so
long, and, like, he probably--
like he said, he felt like
I ruined their relationship,
but it's, like, honestly I
didn't mean to.
Like, I wasn't thinking, and
I just still can't find that,
like, you know, relief.
I feel like this profile just
made it worse.
I thought I was doing the right
thing just, I guess,
releasing myself from things.
I guess anger and stuff.
It's, like, I don't know.
I'm sorry.
>> * It's been a long time *
>> I think that for the moment
most of the answers that you
needed, you got.
>> Yeah.
>> I could never have imagined
this crazy love triangle,
but I don't know if there's
anything else that you
need to know.
Alex, do you feel like you
said what you needed to say?
>> I said everything I needed to
say.
I would love, you know, for us
to be friends.
>> So why don't we just say our
good-byes for now
and meet up tomorrow?
>> Thank you.
>> Okay, thanks.
>> * It's been a long time *
* By the look of things
* A long time
>> I did not see that coming.
'Cause that was, like, way out
of left field.
>> What did you make of
everything he said?
>> I mean, yeah, he's been
through a lot, but who hasn't?
We all have our bad pasts,
but, I mean, that's still no
reason to do what he did.
>> I feel like we were standing
here watching him...
>> Trying to piece everything
together.
>> Trying to piece it all
together for, like, maybe the
first time ever.
*
>> This episode of Catfish:
The TV Show continues now.
>> We're going to see Nev.
He's probably really hyper
because it's early.
>> Hi!
[laughter]
I missed you.
>> Get away from me.
>> [laughs]
>> Today, I think the plan for
Luis is to just meet up with
him, just us.
Yesterday was dramatic.
>> He was reeling a little,
yeah.
I don't think he's exactly sure
why he's so addicted to the
Jasmin profile.
>> Yeah.
>> We've kind of got to get to
the bottom of that, hold up a
mirror to him,
and say, "Is this the person you
want to be?"
>> All right, well let's call
Luis.
[phone trilling]
Hi, it's Nev and Max.
Good morning.
We were hoping that we could
talk a little bit today.
Cool, thanks, Luis.
All right, let's talk to this
guy.
>> What's up?
>> Hey, what's up, man?
How you doing?
>> Good.
>> Good to see you.
>> Yesterday was pretty intense.
>> You've probably been thinking
about it a lot.
>> Yeah.
>> Just wondering if you've had
new ideas or feelings.
Forget Alex, forget Felipe.
Just for you.
>> I realized what was I doing
wrong.
Felipe and Alex was like--that's
just a couple, you know?
Two people.
And it's, like, there's other
people.
>> How many other people were
you talking to like Felipe?
>> Facebook went out of control.
So if I messaged you today,
tomorrow I wouldn't even find
you 'cause there's so many other
messages above you.
>> I imagine that, like,
90% of the activity on Jasmin's
page is men, right?
>> Yeah.
>> You're posting these
quasi-pornographic pictures,
and you're inviting guys who are
saying very graphic,
sexual things to you.
>> I just--I can't sit here and
be, like, "Okay, well I have a
good reason why."
>> Accepting who you are is a
major part of the answer.
[gentle music]
*
>> It was, like, I guess I was
trying to create her in a way
where I can express myself.
I'm not saying 100%,
but I'll put every once in a
while my feelings into it.
It was mostly like a,
"Okay, no one--
no one's hearing me.
My parents can't listen to me.
My family, friends."
And I felt like no one could
understand my point of view,
what I went through.
It was, like, you know, let me
take this on my own hands and
build this profile,
and just pour my feelings
into it.
I--
That's--that's basically it.
I mean, I can't--I can't make--
I can't make an excuse.
Like, that's what I feel.
>> It sounds like you don't feel
like anybody really knows
who you are.
>> Yeah.
I just blame me getting
molested when I was little
for everything that's happening
to me now.
If that would have never
happened, maybe I would have
been different now.
I would have probably not--
I don't know.
>> Finish that thought.
>> It's hard.
It's, like, I don't know.
>> If he hadn't have done what
he did, you would be--
>> I probably would have been
Dad's little perfect son,
or my mom's perfect son,
or--I don't know.
I don't want to talk about it.
>> What you did yesterday was
really brave.
Like, coming out and saying
what happened to you.
That's hard to do.
Nothing else is going to be as
scary as what you've just done.
>> I feel relieved just speaking
it out loud, I guess.
It was, like, I never talked to
anybody about this,
or why I did it, or--just felt--
it just felt good.
Like, I feel like I can
actually, like, move on from it.
None of this should have ever
happened.
Like, I don't want to waste my
life on something that is not
healthy for me.
>> All right, man.
We gotta go.
>> Thanks.
>> Don't be afraid to ask for
help.
>> You're allowed to be who you
are now.
>> See you later, Luis.
>> Kinda seems like what
happened with Luis is that
when you feel like a victim,
you're almost blinded to the
fact that other people are real
and have feelings, and that you
might be hurting.
>> Right.
>> And he still hasn't found a
way to reconcile those two
things.
Luis definitely has a lot to
think about.
>> [puffing]
>> Hey, champ.
>> Hey.
>> Looks like you're hitting a
giant testicle.
>> Yeah.
[laughs]
>> We're back where we started.
>> You know, after the whole
night to think about it and
clear my head, I mean, I'm still
a little upset about it 'cause
I had so much dreams for it.
It's done, it's over with.
Now I just want to try to heal
and move on.
There are things I want to do
now that I should have done
a long time ago.
Focus on myself and hopefully
down the line, I find whatever
else I'm looking for.
>> Keep on slugging.
>> Yeah.
Whoa!
Hey.
>> There he goes.
Stay light on those feet.
>> Champ.
>> All right, reenacting the
famous photo.
Ready?
>> * But like you I'm just... *
>> Thank y'all for all y'all
help.
>> Stay strong.
>> Always.
>> Later, man.
>> Thank you.
>> See y'all later.
>> Later, dude.
Aww.
>> Aww.
[phone trilling]
>> What's up?
>> How you doing?
>> I've been really good,
actually.
Y'all really helped me out.
I guess opened my mind and
released that stuff that I had.
>> Are the Jasmin profiles
totally finished?
>> Yes.
>> Wow.
>> I'm moving to San Antonio
next week.
I want to start a new, fresh
start.
I just really don't have time to
be living that life of
negativity, and always having
hate and stuff, you know?
I just guess that was just
holding me back on stuff.
>> Congratulations on all the
great things that are happening,
man.
Good luck on your--your fresh
start.
>> Thank you.
>> Take care, Luis.
>> Bye, Luis.
>> Take care. Bye.
>> Bye.
[upbeat music]
*
[phone trilling]
>> Yo.
>> Hey!
>> Hey.
>> What's up, buddy?
How you doing?
>> I'm doing good, you know?
>> What about Alex?
>> I haven't really had any
contact with her.
Not since that day that we saw
each other.
>> I guess you haven't talked to
Luis at all?
>> No, but, you know,
if he ever wanted to go and
catch a drink, he can hit me up.
>> The big question is:
Have you been dating anybody?
>> I'm actually involved with
somebody at the moment,
someone I work with.
>> Well, it sounds like
everything's going pretty well
for you.
>> I-I would say so.
>> Keep it up.
>> Float like a butterfly.
>> Oh, yeah. See you later.
>> Bye.
>> He seems to know so much
about me, but it's, like, I know
nothing about the guy.
>> Why do you think you guys
haven't met up yet?
>> Um...
>> If it turns out what Dave's
told you isn't true?
>> Cut.
>> It looks like he's looking
for an out.
>> Is it this house right here?
I hate liars.
>> I think this is it.
>> Oh, my God, this is so weird.
>> Hello?
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