Catfish: The TV Show (2012–…): Season 4, Episode 4 - Daisy and Marcus - full transcript
After helping with troubles at home, a man refuses to speak to his love interest on the phone.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah.
>> I, like, don't even want
to look anymore.
[cell phone rings]
>> Handheld?
>> Hello?
You're here.
>> Oh, my God.
Oh, my God.
>> Time to face the music.
Hi, I'm Nev,
and I'm jumping into the fourth
season of Catfish.
>> I'm gonna have
a heart attack.
>> But starting off,
things are a little different.
We don't have Max.
>> Action!
>> My co-host is directing
We Are Your Friends,
his first feature film,
starring Zac Efron.
So for five episodes...
>> 'Sup, Nev?
>> Hey, man.
I'll be on the road with
guest partners.
>> Catfish!
>> What's this?
A TV monitor?
[gasps] Whoa!
>> But the mystery...
Foot fetish.
>> [gasps]
>> Don't you follow no angry
black man into their house.
>> Deception...
>> This could be the biggest
family betrayal this show
has ever seen.
>> Forgiveness...
>> There might be hope for you
if you are honest
from the get-go.
>> And shocking twists
are back.
We don't know what the hell's
coming out of that house.
>> What the [bleep]?
>> This is Catfish: The TV Show.
Welcome back.
My dear friend and co-host,
Max, is hard at work making
an epic, awesome movie.
But in the meantime, I have
a friend with me who's gonna
help me out this week,
and you probably recognize him.
He's sort of the king
of YouTube.
Say hello to my good friend...
>> Hi.
>> Tyler.
>> Well, hello, everyone.
My name is Tyler Oakley, and--
I am in my pajamas.
And figure out what I'm wearing
for the red carpet because
we literally just hit
5 million subscribers.
Later.
Hi, y'all.
Thank you for having me.
>> Tyler obviously knows a lot
about individuality
and online communication,
which are obviously issues that
we deal with a lot on the show,
so I just thought
it would be a really good fit.
>> Yeah.
>> Let's do this.
Ooh, look at this subject.
Very poetic, from Daisy.
"Lost from Unspoken Words.
My name is Daisy.
I'm 22, and I currently reside
in Indian Trail, North Carolina.
I am writing you because I met
a really hot guy named Marcus
on Instagram."
>> Oh, no.
>> "He caught my eye the moment
I came across his page early
in the summer of 2012, and ever
since then, Marcus being a part
of my life makes me feel
complete.
>> * This is coming between us
* And I know you wanted
* To leave
* Yeah, I know you wanted to
>> I've had to deal with a lot
of personal tragedy.
Marcus has been there for me and
makes me feel alive and amazing.
Marcus lives in Cincinnati
and does film and video
production on the side."
>> He seems great.
>> Yeah.
>> I would date him.
>> "My relationship with Marcus
is beyond special.
I'm more than sure he's the one
for me."
>> Whoa.
>> * Yeah, I know
* You wanted to
>> "But we've never actually
spoken to each other
on the phone"?
>> Red flag number one.
>> Max and I have a theory
about this.
If Marcus says he's a guy
but you haven't spoken to him
on the phone, it's probably
'cause he's a girl.
>> I'm ready for this
plot twist.
>> "I'm messaging you now
to find out why we can't
progress in our relationship.
His refusal to answer or meet
has left me questioning,
are you who you say you are?
His looks got my attention,
but now the feelings are real.
I need to find who Marcus really
is and know his true feelings."
>> They've never talked?
>> Wait a second, wait a second.
>> To me--
>> He does video production,
and he can't send--
>> Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, wait.
>> He can't video chat with her?
>> I am thinking this person
is fake.
>> And I don't even know if
it's a guy.
>> Whoa.
[laughs]
We are in deep, y'all.
>> We just got started.
>> Let's meet Daisy.
>> Let's get her on the horn.
Hey.
>> Hello.
>> I love your hair.
>> What do you call that?
>> It's like a Pink mixed
with a Miley.
>> Ooh.
>> Yes.
>> You're in North Carolina?
>> Yeah.
I just recently moved here
from New Jersey.
Trying to, you know, kind of
figure myself out.
I'm living with my mom.
I had some personal issues, so--
Just, like, my father passing
away and--and my sister passed
before that.
I keep as positive as I can
about it.
>> Let's talk about Marcus.
>> Well, in, like, the summer
of 2013, I was just, like, on
my Instagram.
I saw a really hot guy.
I really liked his posts.
I found, like, similar
interests.
So we mutually added one
another.
He asked for my number, so I
gave it to him on a comment,
and then I, like, took it down.
>> Last summer, had they not
introduced direct messaging
yet on Instagram?
>> No, so all flirting had to be
public.
>> Right, so you exchanged
numbers, and he started texting
you?
>> Yeah, we've never talked to
this day, like, on the phone.
>> And never video chatted,
never called?
>> No.
>> It's pretty crazy.
>> I know, tell me about it.
>> What is it about this guy
that you like so much?
>> He's always been there
for me.
It was so amazing to have
somebody text me when I couldn't
talk to nobody.
He was always just, like,
that text away from me.
>> What would you sort of
ideally like to happen?
>> I want a relationship.
[laughs]
I want a ring on my finger.
>> Wow.
>> I, like--I need answers.
>> Well, so then I guess
if you're ready--
>> We're ready.
>> And you're ready...
>> Yeah, let's do this.
>> I'm ready.
>> So we'll see you really soon.
>> Thanks, Daisy.
>> All right, bye.
>> Girl...
>> I mean...
>> She's found somebody
who "gets her."
She just wants to meet who has
been there for her.
>> I would say there's a very
good chance it's a female.
>> Well, anything can happen
on Catfish.
>> All right, well, look.
We got a long flight and a lot
of work to do.
>> Let's go.
>> Let's do it.
Here we go.
Arrive: Charlotte.
>> * Cast away from the train
* I can give you
* Set fire to the night
* See ashes fall
* Set fire to the night
>> There's, like, a tiny bit
of me that thinks that she might
be about to meet the real deal.
Like, he might be real.
>> Really?
>> Yeah.
>> There's, like, zero...
>> Chance.
>> Supporting evidence
that he's legit.
>> I know.
>> Okay, so you're filling in
for Max.
You have one official duty...
>> Okay.
>> Which is to operate
the Max cam.
>> Okay, always on myself.
[doorbell chimes]
>> all: Hey.
>> Come in.
>> Come out.
>> How are you?
>> I'm good, how are you?
>> Hi.
>> I love your hair.
>> I love your hair.
>> I told you guys you would
get along.
>> Twinsies.
>> Come on in, fellas.
>> Yeah, all come in.
>> I like the--we have similar--
Yeah.
>> My hair used to be
completely, like, down to here.
>> Oh, this is a good look.
>> So--is it?
>> If you've got the face,
you don't need the hair.
>> Aww, thank you.
>> You've got the face.
>> Oh, take a seat.
>> You lived mostly, as a child,
in New Jersey?
>> My whole life, born
and raised.
>> What was the first sort of
traumatic thing that happened
in terms of your family?
>> Right before entering
my senior year, my sister,
she crashed on a bridge pillar
and was just killed instantly,
car burst in flames
and everything.
>> Wow.
>> Yeah.
>> What happened to your dad?
How did he pass away?
>> This is the story
that happened.
I was in a relationship
with a girl.
And my parents kind of
were, like, slapping the [bleep]
out of me, like,
"What the [bleep]?
We didn't raise you like this.
What is this?"
Like, "You're not gay."
She was supposed to come
to my house, and we were on
the way, and we were gonna go
pick her up.
It was my mom, me, my sister,
my brother.
She was waiting for us
at the train station, and she
says, "I can't come over."
She was afraid of my family.
So my mom was just livid.
So they all leave at this point.
My mom, my brother, my sister--
they go home.
They found my dad, like,
on the floor because he had
an aneurysm and a stroke
at the same time.
And so they said that if they
never dropped me off, that my
dad would be alive, so they
blamed me.
My mom was just like,
"You're a [bleep] piece
of [bleep]," you know?
Basically like, "If we never
dropped you to see your
girlfriend, your father would
still be alive."
And I heard that.
And, like, I broke down.
I com--I completely broke down.
I didn't know what to do.
>> Why do you live there?
>> I don't have anywhere else
to go.
>> This guy that you've been
talking to on the Internet is
sort of the most tame, normal...
>> And stable.
>> Grounded and stable thing...
>> In my life, yeah.
>> That you've ever had.
>> He knew what to say,
you know?
He knew how to, you know,
measure up and deal with me
handling, like, a personal
death.
>> He's been there for that.
>> He's been there.
>> And he's responded in ways
that you needed.
>> Yeah, I want that just as
much in person than I do, like,
through texting.
>> What do your friends think
about the situation?
>> They don't know what's going
on completely.
>> Right.
>> I've actually, like,
spent money on him.
>> What does that mean?
>> What kind of money?
>> Like, I've probably spent
at least 2 grand worth.
>> On what?
Buying him gifts.
>> Has he ever sent you
a picture of him with the stuff
you've sent him?
>> No, never.
>> Not even, like, of the stuff?
>> No, he's only done it once.
Like, when I sent him the
biggest box--I got him, like,
a $1,000 camera.
>> Whoa.
>> Yeah.
>> A camera that can do what?
Take a picture?
Take video of himself?
>> Like, take videos--yeah,
like, a Canon, like, the big,
nice ones...
>> What?
>> That are, like, this big.
>> But he knew you didn't
have money.
It wasn't like...
>> I've only sent him money
once.
>> Ooh.
>> I sent him a money order
of $100.
>> But he never sent you
a thank-you note?
>> No.
When my birthday came around,
I asked him to send me
a birthday card, and he couldn't
even do that.
So, believe me, how devastated
I was.
>> I mean, girl...
>> Come on.
Wait, hold on, time out.
When you buy him things,
you have--you send them to him?
>> Yeah, in Cincinnati,
and I've done the phone number.
It gave me a lady's name.
>> That's a bad thing.
>> All right, so you know
this guy's hiding something.
>> Obviously.
>> Has to be.
Okay.
>> So that's him.
He's cute.
>> The good news is there are
a lot of pictures here.
So then, like, show us your
text messages.
Here's one.
I definitely see why
you like him.
>> [laughs]
>> He said, "I'm still here,
you know."
You said--
>> "You're only there when it's
convenient for you.
Ask yourself truly, have you
been there when I needed
someone the most?"
>> And he said, "We live so far
away for it to be any different,
and I told you at the beginning
I don't know how that was going
to work, and I have a lot going
on with my own [bleep] life."
>> I don't really feel like
reading that message.
>> Can I read it?
>> You can.
>> "Dealing with negative
emotions isn't something
I handle.
Darkness consumes me, and I feel
like I can't escape.
I just want someone to help me,
Marcus, and I guess I put you
on a high expectation, and for
that, I apologize."
>> It's sad.
>> Yeah.
Wait, that wasn't that long ago
that you wrote that.
Do you feel like he's there
for you or...
>> Yes and no, because I don't
have that physical-ness.
There's planes, cars, trains,
you know, like--
>> Phones.
>> It's sad, it's sad, like,
to live like this.
>> You feel, like, alone and
like--like nobody's there for
you and...
>> Yeah, completely.
>> You've had a lot of loss.
You need somebody that you can
talk to, and this is that person
for you.
And you may have to face
the reality that it may
not turn out to be the guy
in the pictures, and this
relationship might have to end.
>> I'd rather risk it all,
truthfully.
>> Then let's do it.
>> Let's do it.
>> Let's.
I'm excited and nervous
at the same time.
>> We'll be in touch.
I scrolled for 30 seconds
and stopped, and it landed right
on a very emotional exchange
that I think is probably just
one of hundreds that they've
had over the course of
the last--
>> I feel like that's a weekly
occurrence.
>> But that is so telling
to what this relationship
is for her.
It's--it's this one person that
she can really vent or open up
to about something
that's bothering her.
Not talking on the phone,
like, that's just--
>> That's the one thing where
I'm like, "Okay, well, for sure,
it's not him."
>> To me, it has all of the
construct of a catfish.
>> Step, step, skip.
>> [laughs]
>> All right, here we are.
>> Oh, I love what you've done
with the place.
>> Thank you.
Daisy and Marcus.
So they found each other
on Instagram.
They started chatting,
quickly exchanged numbers.
>> She disclosed her number.
A person contacted her.
>> Right.
Here's a situation where
there is literally no excuse.
>> He has a camera
that was gifted by her.
>> He's got the camera
that we know he got.
>> Has a smartphone for social
media.
He's not who he says he is.
Maybe he's a woman.
Maybe he's married.
>> We've got a real mystery.
>> We do.
>> Let's plug the old laptop in.
>> Oh.
>> First let's go to the email,
'cause she sent me an email
with the info that we needed.
Here we go.
>> Marcus's info.
>> Let's start
with the phone number.
Copy, paste phone number
into Spokeo.
Here we go.
>> What if we just get something
right now?
>> Here's a hit.
>> Okay.
>> The phone number
is registered to someone named
Sandra.
>> Uh-huh.
>> Okay, so here's what's weird.
It comes up as a home phone.
She's been texting Marcus
at this number.
>> Mm-hmm.
>> So we know it's a cell phone.
So if it shows up
as a home phone, it's usually
because it's a Google Voice,
or, like, an Internet phone
number.
>> Got it.
>> So that would suggest
that this person--
>> Is being sneaky.
>> Because they're either not
in Cincinnati and they wanted
a Cincinnati area code 'cause
you can select your area code
anywhere
or they have a second phone.
>> Do people do that?
>> Yes.
>> Oh, my God.
>> They do.
Let's see if we can just find
Sandra on PeopleSmart.
Oh, there's a Sandra who has
a relationship to a Marcus.
>> To three boys, three boys.
>> Wow, Matthew and William.
>> These are her sons.
Wait, that's probably his mom.
>> This is great, yeah.
This is great.
I mean, almost for sure,
this is the guy.
And it would make sense
that his phone number's
registered to his mom.
>> Under his mom.
>> Family plan.
>> Yeah.
>> Here we go.
We got Marcus,
and he can be clicked on.
>> Oh, my gosh.
>> Here we go, opening a new
tab with Marcus's
PeopleSmart info.
>> This is--25.
>> Wow, Marcus, age 25.
>> That's great.
>> This is incredible.
We now know his full name.
We probably got his mom's name.
>> We've got siblings,
we've got a dad, we've got--
>> I got to say, this is all
actually kind of amazingly good.
What we don't know is, is the
Instagram page that he's using,
which does not say his name
is Marcus, is that him?
>> Does it not say that?
>> No, it just says--doesn't--
I don't think it has a--oh,
that's his last name.
Wait, then this is him.
But why wouldn't he talk to her?
Wait a second.
>> What?
>> It is this simple.
Marcus is the guy in the
pictures.
This is his Instagram account.
He is a videographer.
It's just not who she's
talking to.
Some random person saw
her number on a photo
that she posted it on
and has been texting her.
Marcus is a real dude.
>> Yeah.
>> She's just never
talked to him.
>> Oh, my God.
>> She's been talking to some
rando guy or girl.
>> I think it's somebody close
to him.
>> The fact that the phone
number is connected to the
family...
>> Right.
>> Implies that somebody--
>> Something is happening
within that house.
I think it's the brother.
Older brother
resents his younger brother
for how he gets all the parents'
attention.
He's not getting any
girlfriends.
Now he's using his little
brother to finally get a girl.
>> But why wouldn't he talk
to her?
>> 'Cause who knows if he'll
slip up, I don't know.
>> It's not a coincidence
that the phone number she's
texting is registered to Sandra
[bleep], who is maybe
Marcus's mom.
>> What if it's the mom?
>> What if it's the mom?
>> What if...
Scandal.
>> And that would be really bad.
>> Yeah, I--the biggest reason
for somebody to not talk to her
on the phone is it's his mom.
>> Wow, okay, so hold on
a second.
So let's just recap.
Against all odds, Marcus seems
to actually be the guy in the
pictures of the Instagram
that she is talking to.
Here's what's not checking out.
The guy that she's been texting
with--
>> The person she's been
texting with.
>> The person she's been texting
with sends her very few photos,
never including his--his or her
face and won't talk to Daisy
on the phone.
>> Mm-hmm.
>> So that leaves a few
interesting possibilities.
There is still a chance
that Daisy is actually talking
or texting with Marcus,
this guy.
He's just a flaky, lazy...
>> Rude.
>> But emotionally supportive
guy.
>> Whatever.
>> Possibility two, somebody
in his family--
>> Yikes.
>> Maybe a brother, maybe the
mom saw that she posted her
phone number and somehow
intercepted and started
texting her, and she never
looked back.
>> Whoa.
>> If it's somebody in that
family, then in a weird way,
it's very similar to what
happened to me.
>> Right.
>> Because a woman was taking
all of the details about her
daughter and her older daughter
and kind of putting it all
together to make the ideal
version of herself a lot.
>> Which would be a huge blow
to Marcus and to Daisy.
>> Right.
>> This could be the biggest
family betrayal this show has
ever seen.
>> All right, here we go.
[phone line rings]
>> Hello?
>> Hello.
>> Hi.
>> We have a lot we want to talk
about, so where are you?
>> Great.
Anybody else over there?
>> Okay, we'll be over there
in a little bit.
You knock.
>> Stop that.
I'm gonna kill you.
>> Hello.
>> Hi.
>> Hello.
>> Sorry it's gloomy outside.
>> Hi.
>> Hi.
>> Comfy.
>> It's a comfy space.
>> Okay, how's everyone feeling?
>> All righty.
>> All right.
>> So you're--
>> Daisy.
>> The other Daisy.
>> And you're from Honduras?
>> Yes.
>> I'm sure you understand
the reason that we're here.
>> Yes.
I just call him the Ohio man.
>> And how do you feel about
meeting people online?
>> I don't like the idea.
You don't know who you
dealing with.
>> What do you know about him?
>> That I pay the bills for it.
>> Wait, which bills?
>> Gifts.
>> Oh, really?
Well, you didn't tell us that.
>> The actual gifts themselves?
>> You told us that you sent
him things.
>> Yeah.
>> But that...
>> But I mean--
>> Sounded like you bought them.
>> Yeah, well, I have worked
to buy them.
>> Okay.
>> But if I need for my mom
to help me to get something,
like, my mom has.
>> Well, that's very nice
of you.
And then, does she pay you back?
>> I have.
You can't say no, that I
haven't, Mom, 'cause that's
totally--
>> When it is less than $100,
she will.
She's not doing it anymore.
She's not allowed.
>> Sure.
>> Yeah.
>> What do you think about
Marcus, from what you know?
>> I want to say maybe he's a
nice guy, but the way things
have been, it can go either
way.
>> Are you aware of the fact
that Daisy's never actually
spoken to Marcus on the phone?
Did you know that?
>> No.
>> Do you guys talk about things
a lot?
>> No, I think we're okay
like that, the--the way we are.
She lives her own way.
I live my way.
>> When our dad died,
that messed her up a bit.
She was Daddy's little girl.
She was young at the time.
She was not even 18
at the time yet.
Not having that person around,
it--it messes you up.
>> The day that my husband had
the aneurysm, I was stuck
on the highway taking her
to the train station.
It's depressing.
We were very close with my
husband.
>> Do you think it would be
good for her if this
relationship maybe--
>> No, because I think
he's using her.
>> You think he's using her?
>> That's what I see.
Maybe the guy is married.
You don't know.
>> I think she was looking
for a friend.
If you can't really talk to
your own mother, you're gonna
go to the one person that's not
gonna really judge you for the
things you do or say.
>> Do you feel like there's
a lot of judgment between
you guys?
>> Yeah.
>> There's always been judgment.
>> Yes.
>> As far as Marcus goes
or with guys in the future--
>> She's got no future with him.
>> You don't think she has
a future with Marcus?
>> Of course, she doesn't know
who the heck he is.
He has been using her.
That's the other side that she
doesn't want to see.
That's the other side.
That's the truth.
>> Honestly, nobody believes
in her.
Nobody believes in her but me.
>> I long for my mom's approval.
>> Yeah, but do you really want
to be the daughter living with
the mom for, like, the next
20 years?
You're gonna go crazy.
>> I already am.
>> We have a lot we want to talk
about, so let's head out.
[slow techno music]
*
>> And my mom has this full
image of what I'm supposed
to be or, you know, what she
wants me to be.
>> That's an impossible,
impossible standard--what your
mom thinks you should be.
>> And not just your mom.
*
>> So I think we should go
through everything that we
found.
Before we do that--[exhales]
Deep breath in.
[inhales and exhales]
We should get into it.
The first thing that we looked
at was the phone number
that you have for him...
>> Mm-hmm.
>> Which you had done.
Tell us if this is the
same woman.
>> Yeah, that's the same name
that I saw.
>> The phone number
is registered to a woman
named Sandra, who is the exact
right age to be Marcus's mom.
So then we went to her page.
This was the first place
that we saw relatives:
Matthew, William, and Marcus.
Now we have confirmation
that the phone number
that Marcus uses is connected
to a woman
who's likely his mother,
the same last name.
We now know his full name.
>> Okay.
>> So then interestingly,
when we went to his Instagram
account,
we saw this, his last name.
>> I never understood
what that meant.
>> He's the guy in the pictures.
This is his Instagram account.
But if he is this handsome guy,
why hasn't he called you
on the phone?
Why haven't you seen his face
in a video?
What could possibly explain
why this guy wouldn't let you
know that he is who he says
he is?
>> Who he says he is.
>> And I want to know.
>> So one theory I would say is
it's exactly who you think
it is.
Maybe he's just phone shy.
Maybe he just doesn't want
to take a picture of himself.
>> But then why haven't we met?
>> Which is a valid response.
>> So as we thought about it
more, what if maybe somehow
his brother saw that post
where you gave him your number,
and he texted you?
>> Posing as Marcus.
>> He may be married.
He can't talk.
He certainly can't send you
a picture.
The other possible scenario--
it could be his mom,
as crazy as that sounds.
>> Whoa.
>> I think the biggest thing
pointing to this is the fact
that he won't get on the phone.
And if somebody
won't get on the phone,
what about their voice
are they hiding?
>> That's a shock.
I'm, like, scared, honestly.
So what do we do?
>> Normally I would say
I'd call him, let him know
that he's got an opportunity
to finally meet you.
>> I mean, that--that should
be great news.
>> Mm-hmm.
>> And see what he says.
>> I want him to know
that the other person who he's
talking to completely has
feelings and that you can't
sit here and avoid this anymore.
This is happening.
This is the moment.
>> Okay.
Let me see if I can get him
on the phone.
>> Let me see if I can get him
on the phone.
>> No.
>> At the tone, please record
your message.
>> Marcus, it's Nev from
Catfish.
I am with Daisy,
and she would obviously love
to meet you.
Call me back at this number,
and hopefully we will talk soon.
Giving up on Marcus for now.
Hey, guys.
>> Hey.
>> So, as suspected, I was not
able to get through.
I left him a voice mail.
>> Okay.
>> However,
there is another option.
You've sent him a lot
of things to an address.
We could just go there
and find him.
>> Oh, gosh.
>> Maybe we have a phone number
for his mom.
I'll call his mom.
I don't care.
>> Okay.
>> Let's do it.
>> 100%.
>> 100%.
So that is the plan.
>> Oh, my God.
[phone chimes]
>> I just got a text from
Marcus.
"I feel so [bleep] about
everything, and I'm not mentally
ready to have my personal life
on television.
I will meet Daisy on my own
terms."
Whoa.
Cincinnati, it's a long way
to go for nothing
if he just disappears or doesn't
answer our calls.
I don't know.
We're gonna have to figure this
out in the morning.
>> Hello!
>> Good morning.
>> Good morning.
>> I got one text back from
Marcus last night that just
said no, I don't want to do
this.
>> Regardless if I have an
answer, I'm gonna make it more
of, if you couldn't come to
terms with meeting in my face,
I was there.
I will walk away knowing
that I was a brighter woman
because of it.
>> And at least you tried.
>> And I tried,
completely tried.
>> I think that's valid.
>> Honestly, 'cause this is my
breaking point.
This is where, like, I need
to let go.
[upbeat music]
*
>> Oh.
[cell phone rings]
>> Is that him?
Yeah, hey, what's up?
Is this Marcus?
>> It's Marcus.
>> Shh, it's a guy.
Hey--hey, dude, how you doing?
>> Why does it suck?
>> Let me put your mind at ease
a little bit.
Daisy's a pretty rad chick,
and she wants to meet you.
So, like, I think it would be
awesome for you guys to meet.
I don't really think that it
has to be so complicated.
I just walked over to Daisy.
I'm standing with her now.
>> First-class customers...
>> Hold on a second, hold on
a second.
Sorry, I'm trying to get away
from announcements.
Say hi.
>> Hi.
What's up?
Are you not excited or...
>> Well, then, can you own me
the opportunity to tell me
what you're telling me right now
in person?
>> Daisy really wants
to meet you.
We want to meet you.
It's all positive, and we're
really hopeful that this
works out.
All right, thanks, dude.
I guess we'll see you soon.
All right.
>> He's still not into the
whole TV show idea.
>> * You can't hide *
* Blissful ignorance
* You can't hide from me *
>> Hi.
>> We made it.
>> And we are here!
>> Thank you.
>> Heaven.
[cell phone rings]
>> Oh!
>> Is that him?
>> Yeah, this is him, this is
him, this is him.
Hello?
Hey, Marcus.
How you doing, buddy?
>> Is there any specific reason?
>> * Never perform
* A death-defying act
* And I won't fall *
>> Would you be up for maybe
meeting up later?
>> So, I mean...
Yeah, man, later.
>> * I'm everything *
>> I just feel like--
I don't know.
Even if you were battling
it against yourself, I would
just take that risk.
>> * A name
* Let me remain
* Let me remain
[phone chimes]
>> I just got out of a yoga
class here in Cincinnati.
And I have a text message
from Marcus.
And it reads, "I've been
stressed.
I feel that Saturday, I'll be
prepared and in a little bit
more of a comfortable mind-set."
All right, well, I guess we'll
just have to wait till tomorrow
to find out who Marcus is.
[knocking on door]
>> Hi.
>> Hi.
How you feeling?
>> I'm, like, nervous right now.
>> Well, here's the update.
Last I heard from Marcus was in
the evening last night.
He basically said, "I'm just
now kind of starting to feel
like I'm gonna do this
but...tomorrow."
So here we are.
It's tomorrow.
Now's the right time to figure
out a time and place to meet
up.
>> Okay.
>> Calling Marcus.
[phone line rings]
>> Hello, Marcus.
We are calling to find out
about meeting up today.
>> All right, cool, so we'll
see you soon.
All right, later.
>> [screams]
>> Wait, amazing.
>> Stop.
>> It's happening.
>> [screams]
>> All right, so after two
years of texting, it's really
happening.
>> Are you nervous?
>> Don't tell me.
My nerves are, like, on edge
right now.
>> It is important to remember
that we still kind of have
no idea who he is...
>> Yeah.
>> At least, physically.
Well...
we are at the park.
>> We are at the park.
Get my nerves out.
I'm so nervous.
>> Oh, girl.
>> Dais, don't break an ankle.
>> Ooh.
>> [groans]
I don't want to do this.
>> You guys want to see
what's up there?
>> Yes.
>> Seems like a walk.
>> I'll race you.
>> It's the climb.
>> This is--this is it.
This is it.
>> * You took
* What you wanted to take
* And yet you never wanted
* Nothing from me
* It's gone too far *
* And you're too gone *
>> We've been here almost an
hour, still haven't heard back
from Marcus, and I think it's
reasonable to consider that he
may not show up.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah.
>> I, like, don't even want
to look anymore.
[phone chimes]
>> both: Oh.
>> He just wrote back, "On our
way," which means he's with
someone.
>> Like a significant other?
>> Could be somebody within
the family.
>> Oh, [bleep], he's calling.
[phone rings]
>> Handheld?
>> Hello?
Hey.
Hi, what's up, man?
You're here?
>> Mm-hmm.
>> Oh, my God.
>> Wow, okay, cool.
So, yeah, just--we're right
up here.
Come on up.
>> Oh, my God.
>> Time to face the music.
>> Oh, my God.
>> That really looks like him.
Interesting.
It's definitely him.
>> Yeah.
>> I mean, it's definitely
the guy.
[electronic music]
*
>> [laughs] Oh, my God.
Oh, my God, hi.
>> How are you?
>> Good, how are you?
>> Good.
>> What's up, man?
>> Wow.
>> This is, like--
>> What's going on?
>> Nothing.
>> How--how you doing?
>> Pretty good.
>> Oh, my God, you look good.
This is my cousin Julius.
>> Hi.
>> Hey, what's up, man?
>> Yeah, can we--can we put a
microphone on you?
>> This is pretty weird.
[laughter]
>> You're telling me.
>> Thank you for meeting us.
I know there were some concerns.
We're all very happy that you
showed up.
>> Having made three seasons
of the show, I am very surprised
to see you.
>> I just, like, a real...
I don't know, like, I have
a comfort zone, and I don't
usually tend to go out of my
comfort zone.
Sometimes that's just how I
handle stuff, so it took a
while, you know what I mean?
>> And now we're here.
>> What was the reason that you
guys hadn't ever talked on
the phone?
>> Uh...
>> That's pretty weird.
>> That's on me, 100%.
My comfort's, like, texting,
and, I don't know, just, like,
a lot of my real close family
gets mad at me 'cause texting
is just kind of like,
I'm comfortable with.
She got mad at me, but...
>> I was more than mad.
Why wouldn't you have answered,
though?
Even if it's your comfort zone,
like, you couldn't even just
say, "Hey, like, I can't talk
right now"?
Was that difficult, to even
just say, like, three words?
>> Right, but some of the times,
like, I don't know.
Like, it just--
>> But then you prolonged it
for two years.
>> Yeah.
>> I'm--I'm sorry.
That's, like, not really
my thing.
>> Let me ask you this.
Why would you never send me
something back when I have asked
you?
Even, like, for just a simple
birthday card?
>> But I told you from the
beginning, like, I'd accept
your gifts, like I--I kind--
>> Okay, yeah, you can't even
spend a dollar?
>> I'm kind of in a--
>> You couldn't even go to the
dollar store and get a birthday
card?
>> It's not about that.
>> And 35¢ for a stamp
and an envelope?
>> I told you from the beginning
I appreciate everything you
send me, and I told you a couple
of times that you shouldn't
send me this because I don't
feel comfortable...
>> What do you mean?
>> With taking all of this.
I can't send you anything
in return.
>> What do you mean when you say
"I--I can't send you anything"?
>> For a while, it was just
financially.
>> But I mean, like,
a postcard.
That's literally, like,
maybe $2.
>> Yeah, like, you know?
>> I'm sorry, I didn't know
that really meant something
to you, is a postcard.
Like, I thought that me and you
were, like...cool.
>> I still feel like there's
a chance that we're not getting
the whole story right now,
like--
>> What do you mean?
>> Are you dating somebody?
>> No, I'm not dating anybody.
>> You never sent her, like,
a picture or a little video or
anything, and I keep waiting
for, like, somebody else to get
out of that car and be like,
"This is really me."
>> We met off Instagram, and,
like, that's really my
Instagram.
>> But if you're so comfortable
texting, you must text pictures,
right?
>> But it's more like I send
pictures of, like, my work.
Like, that's, like, what I like
to do.
I don't like to just be like--
You know what I mean?
I like pictures.
I like getting pictures.
But I'm just not, like, a--
>> You like getting her
pictures?
>> 'Cause--yeah, I do.
>> Everything that Daisy knows
about you is legit.
>> I'm really me.
I'm really who I say I am.
This is so weird.
>> Stop.
>> I don't know, it's just funny
that she's real, I guess.
>> So y'all didn't think she
would be real?
>> Are you serious?
>> You know, you just never
know.
I know he's real.
>> Well, we definitely didn't
think you were real.
>> You didn't?
>> No.
>> No, I mean...
>> Now it all comes full circle.
>> Like, you're next to me
right now, like, oh, my God.
Oh, my God.
>> I feel like, since things
seem to be going pretty well,
why don't we go to, like,
a more comfortable place?
>> All right, yeah, that's cool.
>> Does that work for you guys?
>> Yeah, that's cool.
>> We'll see you in a few
minutes.
>> Okay.
>> That just happened.
That's mind-warping.
>> What do you think?
>> Wow, he's sexy as [bleep].
>> That's insane.
I mean, I didn't want to say
it, but, like, girl...
>> He's just a little shy.
>> A lot of shy.
>> I mean, a lot of shy.
>> A lot, yeah.
>> We will have to just see
what happens.
>> This episode of Catfish:
the TV Show continues now.
>> Today's been such a good day.
>> I know, right?
>> I'm truly surprised.
>> I'm, like, nervous, though.
>> Why are you nervous?
>> 'Cause, I don't know, like,
what to say.
I don't want to, like, come off
like--
>> You've got charm.
>> Do I?
>> Just be you.
If you had your ideal situash,
would you kiss?
>> I hope so.
>> Would you cuddle?
>> I want to.
I cuddle so hard.
>> The jitters are out, like--
>> I mean, I'm still...
>> You're still nervous?
>> Just as nervous.
>> He hasn't even seen your
beautiful eyes yet.
>> I know, so I want to keep
my glasses on.
>> No.
>> No, you should let him--
>> You should have a grand
reveal.
>> both: Whoa.
>> Did you see that?
>> I felt something.
>> Oh, my God.
>> Oh, girl, you crack me up.
>> Some coffee with a little
soy milk.
>> Thank you so much.
>> Thank you.
All right.
The thing to keep in mind
before he gets here is that he
clearly takes things slow.
>> Yeah.
>> And even if you guys are
feeling excited about seeing
each other, like--
>> Don't freak him out.
>> Right.
>> 'Cause this is a lot already
for anybody.
>> Right.
>> Right?
>> I wonder what he's gonna say.
>> Oh, wait, here he is.
>> Speak of the devil.
>> [laughs]
>> Good to see you again.
Have a seat.
>> Chill.
>> I can't believe this is
happening.
This is wild.
>> It's definitely pretty
different.
>> We're gonna give you all the
space you need.
Bye, guys.
>> See you.
>> Bye.
You have really nice eyes.
>> Thank you. You do too.
They're big and bright.
>> Are they?
I can't believe, like, you're
in my face, though.
>> Right?
>> Do you know what you mean
to me?
>> Yeah, what do you mean?
>> It's obvious that I really
like you and that you mean
something so special to me.
I don't text anybody the way
that I would text you.
Like, I'd be so excited when you
would text me.
I'm like--little schoolgirl.
Like, I'm like, "Hee, hee.
Oh, my God," you know?
And it's so crazy how, like,
you impacted me completely,
you know, from all the
devastation that I've been
through, going through this
and that, and it didn't bother
me that I didn't talk to you
on the phone because I loved
what we had.
I don't want to say you mean
everything to me, but you mean
a good portion.
>> I think that we can keep
continuing to kick it how we
kick it and go from there.
>> Do I mean something to you?
>> Of course.
Everybody wants a...friendship.
>> But you could never say,
like, what we had was special?
>> Well, I'm asking you now.
>> I appreciate it.
>> Do you ever see anything
after this, like a relationship?
>> Yeah, we're connected
as friends, have similar--
>> Okay, but put it
hypothetically.
Put yourself in those shoes
and answer that question.
>> Y--for me, you ca--
I got to...experience that.
I can't just make estimations.
>> Do you feel it?
>> I mean, I like your style.
I like who you are.
We take it from there.
>> Okay.
I'm down.
>> * Where is the line
* Between live
* Or just pretend?
* Wasting our time
* Over and over again
* Where is the line
* Between love
* And simple friends?
>> I'm gonna miss you.
>> Ah, we'll be all right.
>> Will we?
[computer rings]
>> Hello!
>> Hey.
>> There she is!
>> How is everything?
>> I start school tomorrow
for cosmetology, so...
>> Amazing.
>> What's the deal with you
and your man?
>> As time, you know, like,
a week went by or, like, two
weeks, he was doing his thing,
I was doing mine.
So I have to be, you know,
realistic about what's really
between us.
>> Do you think that there was
just, like, so much buildup
to that one moment that it was
just like, "Okay, now what?"
>> Yeah, like, he's always gonna
have a place in my heart, like,
you know, he's like
a best friend now.
>> You do seem happy.
>> Thank you.
All right, take care, guys.
Bye.
>> Bye.
[computer rings]
>> What's up?
>> What's been going on since
we saw you?
>> Me and Daisy are cool.
Like, we still text each other
every now and then, call each
other here and there.
>> And do you think about Daisy?
Do you think about maybe, like,
somehow pursuing something
with her?
>> Ah, I just--you can't
dedicate yourself to, like,
one type of pizza.
You got to try all of them.
>> I feel that so deeply.
>> [chuckles]
>> Later, dude.
>> "OMG, who the hell broke up
with me?
Help!"
So that's--
>> Wait, so they got broken up
with?
>> I was ready to be serious.
She ripped my heart apart.
>> Ooh, whoa.
>> What's the point of doing
this?
Like, what do you get out of it?
>> She gets you out of it.
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00:41:03.
>> Yeah.
>> I, like, don't even want
to look anymore.
[cell phone rings]
>> Handheld?
>> Hello?
You're here.
>> Oh, my God.
Oh, my God.
>> Time to face the music.
Hi, I'm Nev,
and I'm jumping into the fourth
season of Catfish.
>> I'm gonna have
a heart attack.
>> But starting off,
things are a little different.
We don't have Max.
>> Action!
>> My co-host is directing
We Are Your Friends,
his first feature film,
starring Zac Efron.
So for five episodes...
>> 'Sup, Nev?
>> Hey, man.
I'll be on the road with
guest partners.
>> Catfish!
>> What's this?
A TV monitor?
[gasps] Whoa!
>> But the mystery...
Foot fetish.
>> [gasps]
>> Don't you follow no angry
black man into their house.
>> Deception...
>> This could be the biggest
family betrayal this show
has ever seen.
>> Forgiveness...
>> There might be hope for you
if you are honest
from the get-go.
>> And shocking twists
are back.
We don't know what the hell's
coming out of that house.
>> What the [bleep]?
>> This is Catfish: The TV Show.
Welcome back.
My dear friend and co-host,
Max, is hard at work making
an epic, awesome movie.
But in the meantime, I have
a friend with me who's gonna
help me out this week,
and you probably recognize him.
He's sort of the king
of YouTube.
Say hello to my good friend...
>> Hi.
>> Tyler.
>> Well, hello, everyone.
My name is Tyler Oakley, and--
I am in my pajamas.
And figure out what I'm wearing
for the red carpet because
we literally just hit
5 million subscribers.
Later.
Hi, y'all.
Thank you for having me.
>> Tyler obviously knows a lot
about individuality
and online communication,
which are obviously issues that
we deal with a lot on the show,
so I just thought
it would be a really good fit.
>> Yeah.
>> Let's do this.
Ooh, look at this subject.
Very poetic, from Daisy.
"Lost from Unspoken Words.
My name is Daisy.
I'm 22, and I currently reside
in Indian Trail, North Carolina.
I am writing you because I met
a really hot guy named Marcus
on Instagram."
>> Oh, no.
>> "He caught my eye the moment
I came across his page early
in the summer of 2012, and ever
since then, Marcus being a part
of my life makes me feel
complete.
>> * This is coming between us
* And I know you wanted
* To leave
* Yeah, I know you wanted to
>> I've had to deal with a lot
of personal tragedy.
Marcus has been there for me and
makes me feel alive and amazing.
Marcus lives in Cincinnati
and does film and video
production on the side."
>> He seems great.
>> Yeah.
>> I would date him.
>> "My relationship with Marcus
is beyond special.
I'm more than sure he's the one
for me."
>> Whoa.
>> * Yeah, I know
* You wanted to
>> "But we've never actually
spoken to each other
on the phone"?
>> Red flag number one.
>> Max and I have a theory
about this.
If Marcus says he's a guy
but you haven't spoken to him
on the phone, it's probably
'cause he's a girl.
>> I'm ready for this
plot twist.
>> "I'm messaging you now
to find out why we can't
progress in our relationship.
His refusal to answer or meet
has left me questioning,
are you who you say you are?
His looks got my attention,
but now the feelings are real.
I need to find who Marcus really
is and know his true feelings."
>> They've never talked?
>> Wait a second, wait a second.
>> To me--
>> He does video production,
and he can't send--
>> Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, wait.
>> He can't video chat with her?
>> I am thinking this person
is fake.
>> And I don't even know if
it's a guy.
>> Whoa.
[laughs]
We are in deep, y'all.
>> We just got started.
>> Let's meet Daisy.
>> Let's get her on the horn.
Hey.
>> Hello.
>> I love your hair.
>> What do you call that?
>> It's like a Pink mixed
with a Miley.
>> Ooh.
>> Yes.
>> You're in North Carolina?
>> Yeah.
I just recently moved here
from New Jersey.
Trying to, you know, kind of
figure myself out.
I'm living with my mom.
I had some personal issues, so--
Just, like, my father passing
away and--and my sister passed
before that.
I keep as positive as I can
about it.
>> Let's talk about Marcus.
>> Well, in, like, the summer
of 2013, I was just, like, on
my Instagram.
I saw a really hot guy.
I really liked his posts.
I found, like, similar
interests.
So we mutually added one
another.
He asked for my number, so I
gave it to him on a comment,
and then I, like, took it down.
>> Last summer, had they not
introduced direct messaging
yet on Instagram?
>> No, so all flirting had to be
public.
>> Right, so you exchanged
numbers, and he started texting
you?
>> Yeah, we've never talked to
this day, like, on the phone.
>> And never video chatted,
never called?
>> No.
>> It's pretty crazy.
>> I know, tell me about it.
>> What is it about this guy
that you like so much?
>> He's always been there
for me.
It was so amazing to have
somebody text me when I couldn't
talk to nobody.
He was always just, like,
that text away from me.
>> What would you sort of
ideally like to happen?
>> I want a relationship.
[laughs]
I want a ring on my finger.
>> Wow.
>> I, like--I need answers.
>> Well, so then I guess
if you're ready--
>> We're ready.
>> And you're ready...
>> Yeah, let's do this.
>> I'm ready.
>> So we'll see you really soon.
>> Thanks, Daisy.
>> All right, bye.
>> Girl...
>> I mean...
>> She's found somebody
who "gets her."
She just wants to meet who has
been there for her.
>> I would say there's a very
good chance it's a female.
>> Well, anything can happen
on Catfish.
>> All right, well, look.
We got a long flight and a lot
of work to do.
>> Let's go.
>> Let's do it.
Here we go.
Arrive: Charlotte.
>> * Cast away from the train
* I can give you
* Set fire to the night
* See ashes fall
* Set fire to the night
>> There's, like, a tiny bit
of me that thinks that she might
be about to meet the real deal.
Like, he might be real.
>> Really?
>> Yeah.
>> There's, like, zero...
>> Chance.
>> Supporting evidence
that he's legit.
>> I know.
>> Okay, so you're filling in
for Max.
You have one official duty...
>> Okay.
>> Which is to operate
the Max cam.
>> Okay, always on myself.
[doorbell chimes]
>> all: Hey.
>> Come in.
>> Come out.
>> How are you?
>> I'm good, how are you?
>> Hi.
>> I love your hair.
>> I love your hair.
>> I told you guys you would
get along.
>> Twinsies.
>> Come on in, fellas.
>> Yeah, all come in.
>> I like the--we have similar--
Yeah.
>> My hair used to be
completely, like, down to here.
>> Oh, this is a good look.
>> So--is it?
>> If you've got the face,
you don't need the hair.
>> Aww, thank you.
>> You've got the face.
>> Oh, take a seat.
>> You lived mostly, as a child,
in New Jersey?
>> My whole life, born
and raised.
>> What was the first sort of
traumatic thing that happened
in terms of your family?
>> Right before entering
my senior year, my sister,
she crashed on a bridge pillar
and was just killed instantly,
car burst in flames
and everything.
>> Wow.
>> Yeah.
>> What happened to your dad?
How did he pass away?
>> This is the story
that happened.
I was in a relationship
with a girl.
And my parents kind of
were, like, slapping the [bleep]
out of me, like,
"What the [bleep]?
We didn't raise you like this.
What is this?"
Like, "You're not gay."
She was supposed to come
to my house, and we were on
the way, and we were gonna go
pick her up.
It was my mom, me, my sister,
my brother.
She was waiting for us
at the train station, and she
says, "I can't come over."
She was afraid of my family.
So my mom was just livid.
So they all leave at this point.
My mom, my brother, my sister--
they go home.
They found my dad, like,
on the floor because he had
an aneurysm and a stroke
at the same time.
And so they said that if they
never dropped me off, that my
dad would be alive, so they
blamed me.
My mom was just like,
"You're a [bleep] piece
of [bleep]," you know?
Basically like, "If we never
dropped you to see your
girlfriend, your father would
still be alive."
And I heard that.
And, like, I broke down.
I com--I completely broke down.
I didn't know what to do.
>> Why do you live there?
>> I don't have anywhere else
to go.
>> This guy that you've been
talking to on the Internet is
sort of the most tame, normal...
>> And stable.
>> Grounded and stable thing...
>> In my life, yeah.
>> That you've ever had.
>> He knew what to say,
you know?
He knew how to, you know,
measure up and deal with me
handling, like, a personal
death.
>> He's been there for that.
>> He's been there.
>> And he's responded in ways
that you needed.
>> Yeah, I want that just as
much in person than I do, like,
through texting.
>> What do your friends think
about the situation?
>> They don't know what's going
on completely.
>> Right.
>> I've actually, like,
spent money on him.
>> What does that mean?
>> What kind of money?
>> Like, I've probably spent
at least 2 grand worth.
>> On what?
Buying him gifts.
>> Has he ever sent you
a picture of him with the stuff
you've sent him?
>> No, never.
>> Not even, like, of the stuff?
>> No, he's only done it once.
Like, when I sent him the
biggest box--I got him, like,
a $1,000 camera.
>> Whoa.
>> Yeah.
>> A camera that can do what?
Take a picture?
Take video of himself?
>> Like, take videos--yeah,
like, a Canon, like, the big,
nice ones...
>> What?
>> That are, like, this big.
>> But he knew you didn't
have money.
It wasn't like...
>> I've only sent him money
once.
>> Ooh.
>> I sent him a money order
of $100.
>> But he never sent you
a thank-you note?
>> No.
When my birthday came around,
I asked him to send me
a birthday card, and he couldn't
even do that.
So, believe me, how devastated
I was.
>> I mean, girl...
>> Come on.
Wait, hold on, time out.
When you buy him things,
you have--you send them to him?
>> Yeah, in Cincinnati,
and I've done the phone number.
It gave me a lady's name.
>> That's a bad thing.
>> All right, so you know
this guy's hiding something.
>> Obviously.
>> Has to be.
Okay.
>> So that's him.
He's cute.
>> The good news is there are
a lot of pictures here.
So then, like, show us your
text messages.
Here's one.
I definitely see why
you like him.
>> [laughs]
>> He said, "I'm still here,
you know."
You said--
>> "You're only there when it's
convenient for you.
Ask yourself truly, have you
been there when I needed
someone the most?"
>> And he said, "We live so far
away for it to be any different,
and I told you at the beginning
I don't know how that was going
to work, and I have a lot going
on with my own [bleep] life."
>> I don't really feel like
reading that message.
>> Can I read it?
>> You can.
>> "Dealing with negative
emotions isn't something
I handle.
Darkness consumes me, and I feel
like I can't escape.
I just want someone to help me,
Marcus, and I guess I put you
on a high expectation, and for
that, I apologize."
>> It's sad.
>> Yeah.
Wait, that wasn't that long ago
that you wrote that.
Do you feel like he's there
for you or...
>> Yes and no, because I don't
have that physical-ness.
There's planes, cars, trains,
you know, like--
>> Phones.
>> It's sad, it's sad, like,
to live like this.
>> You feel, like, alone and
like--like nobody's there for
you and...
>> Yeah, completely.
>> You've had a lot of loss.
You need somebody that you can
talk to, and this is that person
for you.
And you may have to face
the reality that it may
not turn out to be the guy
in the pictures, and this
relationship might have to end.
>> I'd rather risk it all,
truthfully.
>> Then let's do it.
>> Let's do it.
>> Let's.
I'm excited and nervous
at the same time.
>> We'll be in touch.
I scrolled for 30 seconds
and stopped, and it landed right
on a very emotional exchange
that I think is probably just
one of hundreds that they've
had over the course of
the last--
>> I feel like that's a weekly
occurrence.
>> But that is so telling
to what this relationship
is for her.
It's--it's this one person that
she can really vent or open up
to about something
that's bothering her.
Not talking on the phone,
like, that's just--
>> That's the one thing where
I'm like, "Okay, well, for sure,
it's not him."
>> To me, it has all of the
construct of a catfish.
>> Step, step, skip.
>> [laughs]
>> All right, here we are.
>> Oh, I love what you've done
with the place.
>> Thank you.
Daisy and Marcus.
So they found each other
on Instagram.
They started chatting,
quickly exchanged numbers.
>> She disclosed her number.
A person contacted her.
>> Right.
Here's a situation where
there is literally no excuse.
>> He has a camera
that was gifted by her.
>> He's got the camera
that we know he got.
>> Has a smartphone for social
media.
He's not who he says he is.
Maybe he's a woman.
Maybe he's married.
>> We've got a real mystery.
>> We do.
>> Let's plug the old laptop in.
>> Oh.
>> First let's go to the email,
'cause she sent me an email
with the info that we needed.
Here we go.
>> Marcus's info.
>> Let's start
with the phone number.
Copy, paste phone number
into Spokeo.
Here we go.
>> What if we just get something
right now?
>> Here's a hit.
>> Okay.
>> The phone number
is registered to someone named
Sandra.
>> Uh-huh.
>> Okay, so here's what's weird.
It comes up as a home phone.
She's been texting Marcus
at this number.
>> Mm-hmm.
>> So we know it's a cell phone.
So if it shows up
as a home phone, it's usually
because it's a Google Voice,
or, like, an Internet phone
number.
>> Got it.
>> So that would suggest
that this person--
>> Is being sneaky.
>> Because they're either not
in Cincinnati and they wanted
a Cincinnati area code 'cause
you can select your area code
anywhere
or they have a second phone.
>> Do people do that?
>> Yes.
>> Oh, my God.
>> They do.
Let's see if we can just find
Sandra on PeopleSmart.
Oh, there's a Sandra who has
a relationship to a Marcus.
>> To three boys, three boys.
>> Wow, Matthew and William.
>> These are her sons.
Wait, that's probably his mom.
>> This is great, yeah.
This is great.
I mean, almost for sure,
this is the guy.
And it would make sense
that his phone number's
registered to his mom.
>> Under his mom.
>> Family plan.
>> Yeah.
>> Here we go.
We got Marcus,
and he can be clicked on.
>> Oh, my gosh.
>> Here we go, opening a new
tab with Marcus's
PeopleSmart info.
>> This is--25.
>> Wow, Marcus, age 25.
>> That's great.
>> This is incredible.
We now know his full name.
We probably got his mom's name.
>> We've got siblings,
we've got a dad, we've got--
>> I got to say, this is all
actually kind of amazingly good.
What we don't know is, is the
Instagram page that he's using,
which does not say his name
is Marcus, is that him?
>> Does it not say that?
>> No, it just says--doesn't--
I don't think it has a--oh,
that's his last name.
Wait, then this is him.
But why wouldn't he talk to her?
Wait a second.
>> What?
>> It is this simple.
Marcus is the guy in the
pictures.
This is his Instagram account.
He is a videographer.
It's just not who she's
talking to.
Some random person saw
her number on a photo
that she posted it on
and has been texting her.
Marcus is a real dude.
>> Yeah.
>> She's just never
talked to him.
>> Oh, my God.
>> She's been talking to some
rando guy or girl.
>> I think it's somebody close
to him.
>> The fact that the phone
number is connected to the
family...
>> Right.
>> Implies that somebody--
>> Something is happening
within that house.
I think it's the brother.
Older brother
resents his younger brother
for how he gets all the parents'
attention.
He's not getting any
girlfriends.
Now he's using his little
brother to finally get a girl.
>> But why wouldn't he talk
to her?
>> 'Cause who knows if he'll
slip up, I don't know.
>> It's not a coincidence
that the phone number she's
texting is registered to Sandra
[bleep], who is maybe
Marcus's mom.
>> What if it's the mom?
>> What if it's the mom?
>> What if...
Scandal.
>> And that would be really bad.
>> Yeah, I--the biggest reason
for somebody to not talk to her
on the phone is it's his mom.
>> Wow, okay, so hold on
a second.
So let's just recap.
Against all odds, Marcus seems
to actually be the guy in the
pictures of the Instagram
that she is talking to.
Here's what's not checking out.
The guy that she's been texting
with--
>> The person she's been
texting with.
>> The person she's been texting
with sends her very few photos,
never including his--his or her
face and won't talk to Daisy
on the phone.
>> Mm-hmm.
>> So that leaves a few
interesting possibilities.
There is still a chance
that Daisy is actually talking
or texting with Marcus,
this guy.
He's just a flaky, lazy...
>> Rude.
>> But emotionally supportive
guy.
>> Whatever.
>> Possibility two, somebody
in his family--
>> Yikes.
>> Maybe a brother, maybe the
mom saw that she posted her
phone number and somehow
intercepted and started
texting her, and she never
looked back.
>> Whoa.
>> If it's somebody in that
family, then in a weird way,
it's very similar to what
happened to me.
>> Right.
>> Because a woman was taking
all of the details about her
daughter and her older daughter
and kind of putting it all
together to make the ideal
version of herself a lot.
>> Which would be a huge blow
to Marcus and to Daisy.
>> Right.
>> This could be the biggest
family betrayal this show has
ever seen.
>> All right, here we go.
[phone line rings]
>> Hello?
>> Hello.
>> Hi.
>> We have a lot we want to talk
about, so where are you?
>> Great.
Anybody else over there?
>> Okay, we'll be over there
in a little bit.
You knock.
>> Stop that.
I'm gonna kill you.
>> Hello.
>> Hi.
>> Hello.
>> Sorry it's gloomy outside.
>> Hi.
>> Hi.
>> Comfy.
>> It's a comfy space.
>> Okay, how's everyone feeling?
>> All righty.
>> All right.
>> So you're--
>> Daisy.
>> The other Daisy.
>> And you're from Honduras?
>> Yes.
>> I'm sure you understand
the reason that we're here.
>> Yes.
I just call him the Ohio man.
>> And how do you feel about
meeting people online?
>> I don't like the idea.
You don't know who you
dealing with.
>> What do you know about him?
>> That I pay the bills for it.
>> Wait, which bills?
>> Gifts.
>> Oh, really?
Well, you didn't tell us that.
>> The actual gifts themselves?
>> You told us that you sent
him things.
>> Yeah.
>> But that...
>> But I mean--
>> Sounded like you bought them.
>> Yeah, well, I have worked
to buy them.
>> Okay.
>> But if I need for my mom
to help me to get something,
like, my mom has.
>> Well, that's very nice
of you.
And then, does she pay you back?
>> I have.
You can't say no, that I
haven't, Mom, 'cause that's
totally--
>> When it is less than $100,
she will.
She's not doing it anymore.
She's not allowed.
>> Sure.
>> Yeah.
>> What do you think about
Marcus, from what you know?
>> I want to say maybe he's a
nice guy, but the way things
have been, it can go either
way.
>> Are you aware of the fact
that Daisy's never actually
spoken to Marcus on the phone?
Did you know that?
>> No.
>> Do you guys talk about things
a lot?
>> No, I think we're okay
like that, the--the way we are.
She lives her own way.
I live my way.
>> When our dad died,
that messed her up a bit.
She was Daddy's little girl.
She was young at the time.
She was not even 18
at the time yet.
Not having that person around,
it--it messes you up.
>> The day that my husband had
the aneurysm, I was stuck
on the highway taking her
to the train station.
It's depressing.
We were very close with my
husband.
>> Do you think it would be
good for her if this
relationship maybe--
>> No, because I think
he's using her.
>> You think he's using her?
>> That's what I see.
Maybe the guy is married.
You don't know.
>> I think she was looking
for a friend.
If you can't really talk to
your own mother, you're gonna
go to the one person that's not
gonna really judge you for the
things you do or say.
>> Do you feel like there's
a lot of judgment between
you guys?
>> Yeah.
>> There's always been judgment.
>> Yes.
>> As far as Marcus goes
or with guys in the future--
>> She's got no future with him.
>> You don't think she has
a future with Marcus?
>> Of course, she doesn't know
who the heck he is.
He has been using her.
That's the other side that she
doesn't want to see.
That's the other side.
That's the truth.
>> Honestly, nobody believes
in her.
Nobody believes in her but me.
>> I long for my mom's approval.
>> Yeah, but do you really want
to be the daughter living with
the mom for, like, the next
20 years?
You're gonna go crazy.
>> I already am.
>> We have a lot we want to talk
about, so let's head out.
[slow techno music]
*
>> And my mom has this full
image of what I'm supposed
to be or, you know, what she
wants me to be.
>> That's an impossible,
impossible standard--what your
mom thinks you should be.
>> And not just your mom.
*
>> So I think we should go
through everything that we
found.
Before we do that--[exhales]
Deep breath in.
[inhales and exhales]
We should get into it.
The first thing that we looked
at was the phone number
that you have for him...
>> Mm-hmm.
>> Which you had done.
Tell us if this is the
same woman.
>> Yeah, that's the same name
that I saw.
>> The phone number
is registered to a woman
named Sandra, who is the exact
right age to be Marcus's mom.
So then we went to her page.
This was the first place
that we saw relatives:
Matthew, William, and Marcus.
Now we have confirmation
that the phone number
that Marcus uses is connected
to a woman
who's likely his mother,
the same last name.
We now know his full name.
>> Okay.
>> So then interestingly,
when we went to his Instagram
account,
we saw this, his last name.
>> I never understood
what that meant.
>> He's the guy in the pictures.
This is his Instagram account.
But if he is this handsome guy,
why hasn't he called you
on the phone?
Why haven't you seen his face
in a video?
What could possibly explain
why this guy wouldn't let you
know that he is who he says
he is?
>> Who he says he is.
>> And I want to know.
>> So one theory I would say is
it's exactly who you think
it is.
Maybe he's just phone shy.
Maybe he just doesn't want
to take a picture of himself.
>> But then why haven't we met?
>> Which is a valid response.
>> So as we thought about it
more, what if maybe somehow
his brother saw that post
where you gave him your number,
and he texted you?
>> Posing as Marcus.
>> He may be married.
He can't talk.
He certainly can't send you
a picture.
The other possible scenario--
it could be his mom,
as crazy as that sounds.
>> Whoa.
>> I think the biggest thing
pointing to this is the fact
that he won't get on the phone.
And if somebody
won't get on the phone,
what about their voice
are they hiding?
>> That's a shock.
I'm, like, scared, honestly.
So what do we do?
>> Normally I would say
I'd call him, let him know
that he's got an opportunity
to finally meet you.
>> I mean, that--that should
be great news.
>> Mm-hmm.
>> And see what he says.
>> I want him to know
that the other person who he's
talking to completely has
feelings and that you can't
sit here and avoid this anymore.
This is happening.
This is the moment.
>> Okay.
Let me see if I can get him
on the phone.
>> Let me see if I can get him
on the phone.
>> No.
>> At the tone, please record
your message.
>> Marcus, it's Nev from
Catfish.
I am with Daisy,
and she would obviously love
to meet you.
Call me back at this number,
and hopefully we will talk soon.
Giving up on Marcus for now.
Hey, guys.
>> Hey.
>> So, as suspected, I was not
able to get through.
I left him a voice mail.
>> Okay.
>> However,
there is another option.
You've sent him a lot
of things to an address.
We could just go there
and find him.
>> Oh, gosh.
>> Maybe we have a phone number
for his mom.
I'll call his mom.
I don't care.
>> Okay.
>> Let's do it.
>> 100%.
>> 100%.
So that is the plan.
>> Oh, my God.
[phone chimes]
>> I just got a text from
Marcus.
"I feel so [bleep] about
everything, and I'm not mentally
ready to have my personal life
on television.
I will meet Daisy on my own
terms."
Whoa.
Cincinnati, it's a long way
to go for nothing
if he just disappears or doesn't
answer our calls.
I don't know.
We're gonna have to figure this
out in the morning.
>> Hello!
>> Good morning.
>> Good morning.
>> I got one text back from
Marcus last night that just
said no, I don't want to do
this.
>> Regardless if I have an
answer, I'm gonna make it more
of, if you couldn't come to
terms with meeting in my face,
I was there.
I will walk away knowing
that I was a brighter woman
because of it.
>> And at least you tried.
>> And I tried,
completely tried.
>> I think that's valid.
>> Honestly, 'cause this is my
breaking point.
This is where, like, I need
to let go.
[upbeat music]
*
>> Oh.
[cell phone rings]
>> Is that him?
Yeah, hey, what's up?
Is this Marcus?
>> It's Marcus.
>> Shh, it's a guy.
Hey--hey, dude, how you doing?
>> Why does it suck?
>> Let me put your mind at ease
a little bit.
Daisy's a pretty rad chick,
and she wants to meet you.
So, like, I think it would be
awesome for you guys to meet.
I don't really think that it
has to be so complicated.
I just walked over to Daisy.
I'm standing with her now.
>> First-class customers...
>> Hold on a second, hold on
a second.
Sorry, I'm trying to get away
from announcements.
Say hi.
>> Hi.
What's up?
Are you not excited or...
>> Well, then, can you own me
the opportunity to tell me
what you're telling me right now
in person?
>> Daisy really wants
to meet you.
We want to meet you.
It's all positive, and we're
really hopeful that this
works out.
All right, thanks, dude.
I guess we'll see you soon.
All right.
>> He's still not into the
whole TV show idea.
>> * You can't hide *
* Blissful ignorance
* You can't hide from me *
>> Hi.
>> We made it.
>> And we are here!
>> Thank you.
>> Heaven.
[cell phone rings]
>> Oh!
>> Is that him?
>> Yeah, this is him, this is
him, this is him.
Hello?
Hey, Marcus.
How you doing, buddy?
>> Is there any specific reason?
>> * Never perform
* A death-defying act
* And I won't fall *
>> Would you be up for maybe
meeting up later?
>> So, I mean...
Yeah, man, later.
>> * I'm everything *
>> I just feel like--
I don't know.
Even if you were battling
it against yourself, I would
just take that risk.
>> * A name
* Let me remain
* Let me remain
[phone chimes]
>> I just got out of a yoga
class here in Cincinnati.
And I have a text message
from Marcus.
And it reads, "I've been
stressed.
I feel that Saturday, I'll be
prepared and in a little bit
more of a comfortable mind-set."
All right, well, I guess we'll
just have to wait till tomorrow
to find out who Marcus is.
[knocking on door]
>> Hi.
>> Hi.
How you feeling?
>> I'm, like, nervous right now.
>> Well, here's the update.
Last I heard from Marcus was in
the evening last night.
He basically said, "I'm just
now kind of starting to feel
like I'm gonna do this
but...tomorrow."
So here we are.
It's tomorrow.
Now's the right time to figure
out a time and place to meet
up.
>> Okay.
>> Calling Marcus.
[phone line rings]
>> Hello, Marcus.
We are calling to find out
about meeting up today.
>> All right, cool, so we'll
see you soon.
All right, later.
>> [screams]
>> Wait, amazing.
>> Stop.
>> It's happening.
>> [screams]
>> All right, so after two
years of texting, it's really
happening.
>> Are you nervous?
>> Don't tell me.
My nerves are, like, on edge
right now.
>> It is important to remember
that we still kind of have
no idea who he is...
>> Yeah.
>> At least, physically.
Well...
we are at the park.
>> We are at the park.
Get my nerves out.
I'm so nervous.
>> Oh, girl.
>> Dais, don't break an ankle.
>> Ooh.
>> [groans]
I don't want to do this.
>> You guys want to see
what's up there?
>> Yes.
>> Seems like a walk.
>> I'll race you.
>> It's the climb.
>> This is--this is it.
This is it.
>> * You took
* What you wanted to take
* And yet you never wanted
* Nothing from me
* It's gone too far *
* And you're too gone *
>> We've been here almost an
hour, still haven't heard back
from Marcus, and I think it's
reasonable to consider that he
may not show up.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah.
>> I, like, don't even want
to look anymore.
[phone chimes]
>> both: Oh.
>> He just wrote back, "On our
way," which means he's with
someone.
>> Like a significant other?
>> Could be somebody within
the family.
>> Oh, [bleep], he's calling.
[phone rings]
>> Handheld?
>> Hello?
Hey.
Hi, what's up, man?
You're here?
>> Mm-hmm.
>> Oh, my God.
>> Wow, okay, cool.
So, yeah, just--we're right
up here.
Come on up.
>> Oh, my God.
>> Time to face the music.
>> Oh, my God.
>> That really looks like him.
Interesting.
It's definitely him.
>> Yeah.
>> I mean, it's definitely
the guy.
[electronic music]
*
>> [laughs] Oh, my God.
Oh, my God, hi.
>> How are you?
>> Good, how are you?
>> Good.
>> What's up, man?
>> Wow.
>> This is, like--
>> What's going on?
>> Nothing.
>> How--how you doing?
>> Pretty good.
>> Oh, my God, you look good.
This is my cousin Julius.
>> Hi.
>> Hey, what's up, man?
>> Yeah, can we--can we put a
microphone on you?
>> This is pretty weird.
[laughter]
>> You're telling me.
>> Thank you for meeting us.
I know there were some concerns.
We're all very happy that you
showed up.
>> Having made three seasons
of the show, I am very surprised
to see you.
>> I just, like, a real...
I don't know, like, I have
a comfort zone, and I don't
usually tend to go out of my
comfort zone.
Sometimes that's just how I
handle stuff, so it took a
while, you know what I mean?
>> And now we're here.
>> What was the reason that you
guys hadn't ever talked on
the phone?
>> Uh...
>> That's pretty weird.
>> That's on me, 100%.
My comfort's, like, texting,
and, I don't know, just, like,
a lot of my real close family
gets mad at me 'cause texting
is just kind of like,
I'm comfortable with.
She got mad at me, but...
>> I was more than mad.
Why wouldn't you have answered,
though?
Even if it's your comfort zone,
like, you couldn't even just
say, "Hey, like, I can't talk
right now"?
Was that difficult, to even
just say, like, three words?
>> Right, but some of the times,
like, I don't know.
Like, it just--
>> But then you prolonged it
for two years.
>> Yeah.
>> I'm--I'm sorry.
That's, like, not really
my thing.
>> Let me ask you this.
Why would you never send me
something back when I have asked
you?
Even, like, for just a simple
birthday card?
>> But I told you from the
beginning, like, I'd accept
your gifts, like I--I kind--
>> Okay, yeah, you can't even
spend a dollar?
>> I'm kind of in a--
>> You couldn't even go to the
dollar store and get a birthday
card?
>> It's not about that.
>> And 35¢ for a stamp
and an envelope?
>> I told you from the beginning
I appreciate everything you
send me, and I told you a couple
of times that you shouldn't
send me this because I don't
feel comfortable...
>> What do you mean?
>> With taking all of this.
I can't send you anything
in return.
>> What do you mean when you say
"I--I can't send you anything"?
>> For a while, it was just
financially.
>> But I mean, like,
a postcard.
That's literally, like,
maybe $2.
>> Yeah, like, you know?
>> I'm sorry, I didn't know
that really meant something
to you, is a postcard.
Like, I thought that me and you
were, like...cool.
>> I still feel like there's
a chance that we're not getting
the whole story right now,
like--
>> What do you mean?
>> Are you dating somebody?
>> No, I'm not dating anybody.
>> You never sent her, like,
a picture or a little video or
anything, and I keep waiting
for, like, somebody else to get
out of that car and be like,
"This is really me."
>> We met off Instagram, and,
like, that's really my
Instagram.
>> But if you're so comfortable
texting, you must text pictures,
right?
>> But it's more like I send
pictures of, like, my work.
Like, that's, like, what I like
to do.
I don't like to just be like--
You know what I mean?
I like pictures.
I like getting pictures.
But I'm just not, like, a--
>> You like getting her
pictures?
>> 'Cause--yeah, I do.
>> Everything that Daisy knows
about you is legit.
>> I'm really me.
I'm really who I say I am.
This is so weird.
>> Stop.
>> I don't know, it's just funny
that she's real, I guess.
>> So y'all didn't think she
would be real?
>> Are you serious?
>> You know, you just never
know.
I know he's real.
>> Well, we definitely didn't
think you were real.
>> You didn't?
>> No.
>> No, I mean...
>> Now it all comes full circle.
>> Like, you're next to me
right now, like, oh, my God.
Oh, my God.
>> I feel like, since things
seem to be going pretty well,
why don't we go to, like,
a more comfortable place?
>> All right, yeah, that's cool.
>> Does that work for you guys?
>> Yeah, that's cool.
>> We'll see you in a few
minutes.
>> Okay.
>> That just happened.
That's mind-warping.
>> What do you think?
>> Wow, he's sexy as [bleep].
>> That's insane.
I mean, I didn't want to say
it, but, like, girl...
>> He's just a little shy.
>> A lot of shy.
>> I mean, a lot of shy.
>> A lot, yeah.
>> We will have to just see
what happens.
>> This episode of Catfish:
the TV Show continues now.
>> Today's been such a good day.
>> I know, right?
>> I'm truly surprised.
>> I'm, like, nervous, though.
>> Why are you nervous?
>> 'Cause, I don't know, like,
what to say.
I don't want to, like, come off
like--
>> You've got charm.
>> Do I?
>> Just be you.
If you had your ideal situash,
would you kiss?
>> I hope so.
>> Would you cuddle?
>> I want to.
I cuddle so hard.
>> The jitters are out, like--
>> I mean, I'm still...
>> You're still nervous?
>> Just as nervous.
>> He hasn't even seen your
beautiful eyes yet.
>> I know, so I want to keep
my glasses on.
>> No.
>> No, you should let him--
>> You should have a grand
reveal.
>> both: Whoa.
>> Did you see that?
>> I felt something.
>> Oh, my God.
>> Oh, girl, you crack me up.
>> Some coffee with a little
soy milk.
>> Thank you so much.
>> Thank you.
All right.
The thing to keep in mind
before he gets here is that he
clearly takes things slow.
>> Yeah.
>> And even if you guys are
feeling excited about seeing
each other, like--
>> Don't freak him out.
>> Right.
>> 'Cause this is a lot already
for anybody.
>> Right.
>> Right?
>> I wonder what he's gonna say.
>> Oh, wait, here he is.
>> Speak of the devil.
>> [laughs]
>> Good to see you again.
Have a seat.
>> Chill.
>> I can't believe this is
happening.
This is wild.
>> It's definitely pretty
different.
>> We're gonna give you all the
space you need.
Bye, guys.
>> See you.
>> Bye.
You have really nice eyes.
>> Thank you. You do too.
They're big and bright.
>> Are they?
I can't believe, like, you're
in my face, though.
>> Right?
>> Do you know what you mean
to me?
>> Yeah, what do you mean?
>> It's obvious that I really
like you and that you mean
something so special to me.
I don't text anybody the way
that I would text you.
Like, I'd be so excited when you
would text me.
I'm like--little schoolgirl.
Like, I'm like, "Hee, hee.
Oh, my God," you know?
And it's so crazy how, like,
you impacted me completely,
you know, from all the
devastation that I've been
through, going through this
and that, and it didn't bother
me that I didn't talk to you
on the phone because I loved
what we had.
I don't want to say you mean
everything to me, but you mean
a good portion.
>> I think that we can keep
continuing to kick it how we
kick it and go from there.
>> Do I mean something to you?
>> Of course.
Everybody wants a...friendship.
>> But you could never say,
like, what we had was special?
>> Well, I'm asking you now.
>> I appreciate it.
>> Do you ever see anything
after this, like a relationship?
>> Yeah, we're connected
as friends, have similar--
>> Okay, but put it
hypothetically.
Put yourself in those shoes
and answer that question.
>> Y--for me, you ca--
I got to...experience that.
I can't just make estimations.
>> Do you feel it?
>> I mean, I like your style.
I like who you are.
We take it from there.
>> Okay.
I'm down.
>> * Where is the line
* Between live
* Or just pretend?
* Wasting our time
* Over and over again
* Where is the line
* Between love
* And simple friends?
>> I'm gonna miss you.
>> Ah, we'll be all right.
>> Will we?
[computer rings]
>> Hello!
>> Hey.
>> There she is!
>> How is everything?
>> I start school tomorrow
for cosmetology, so...
>> Amazing.
>> What's the deal with you
and your man?
>> As time, you know, like,
a week went by or, like, two
weeks, he was doing his thing,
I was doing mine.
So I have to be, you know,
realistic about what's really
between us.
>> Do you think that there was
just, like, so much buildup
to that one moment that it was
just like, "Okay, now what?"
>> Yeah, like, he's always gonna
have a place in my heart, like,
you know, he's like
a best friend now.
>> You do seem happy.
>> Thank you.
All right, take care, guys.
Bye.
>> Bye.
[computer rings]
>> What's up?
>> What's been going on since
we saw you?
>> Me and Daisy are cool.
Like, we still text each other
every now and then, call each
other here and there.
>> And do you think about Daisy?
Do you think about maybe, like,
somehow pursuing something
with her?
>> Ah, I just--you can't
dedicate yourself to, like,
one type of pizza.
You got to try all of them.
>> I feel that so deeply.
>> [chuckles]
>> Later, dude.
>> "OMG, who the hell broke up
with me?
Help!"
So that's--
>> Wait, so they got broken up
with?
>> I was ready to be serious.
She ripped my heart apart.
>> Ooh, whoa.
>> What's the point of doing
this?
Like, what do you get out of it?
>> She gets you out of it.
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