Catfish: The TV Show (2012–…): Season 4, Episode 2 - Courtney and Isaak - full transcript

After a girl cuts ties with an Internet beau, he refuses to give up trying to get her back.

>> It'll be okay.

>> [exhales] Okay.

Oh, my God, I'm gonna have a

heart attack.

>> Do you s...

>> Yeah, I feel like I saw him

there too.

>> You saw him too? Yeah.

>> You don't have to say

anything to him immediately.

>> Just don't leave me.



>> Of course--we're gonna be

here.

Wanna take a deep breath?

>> [inhales]

[exhales]

>> How you doing?

>> Great. How are you doing?

>> Hi, I'm Nev, and I'm jumping

into the fourth season of

Catfish.

>> I'm gonna have a heart

attack.

But starting off, things are

a little different:



We don't have Max.

>> Action!

>> My co-host is directing

We Are Your Friends,

his first feature film,

starring Zac Efron.

So for five episodes...

>> 'Sup, Nev?

>> Hey, man.

I'll be on the road with

guest partners.

>> Catfish!

>> What's this?

A TV monitor?

[gasps] Whoo!

>> But the mystery...

Foot fetish.

>> Don't you follow no angry

black man into their house.

>> Deception...

>> This could be the biggest

family betrayal this show

has ever seen.

>> Forgiveness...

>> You have to feel pain,

you have to feel unwanted, you

have to feel all that to come

around and know what love is.

>> And shocking twists

are back.

We don't know what the hell's

coming out of that house.

>> What the [bleep]?

>> This is Catfish: The TV Show.

Okay, where's the frame?

>> Oh, go in...in, in.

Just keep going--that's about

where your...

>> Okay.

Are you watching?

Is it funny?

>> Yeah.

>> Oh, good.

It's your old friend Nev.

Don't worry, Max will be back

soon, but in this episode of

Catfish, I'm going to enlist

the help of a very cool young

lady whose name is Cassidy

Wolf.

She was crowned Miss Teen USA

a couple of years ago.

She also has a very interesting

personal experience with

internet deception, so let's get

her involved.

[line ringing]

>> Hey.

>> Hey! Ha ha ha.

Hi!

>> Hi.

>> How you doing?

>> I'm actually so excited.

It's a crazy show.

Oh, my God, I can't believe

we're doing this right now.

Like, I can't believe I'm

talking to you.

>> Yeah, it is crazy.

Just to familiarize myself with

your story, what happened with

you around the time you won Miss

Teen USA?

>> I got an email, an anonymous

email from someone at the time I

thought was just a creepy dude.

He had stalked me for a year in

my room through the webcam on my

computer.

>> So basically this guy figured

out how to install some software

on your laptop so that your

webcam was always live streaming

to him?

>> Yeah. He blackmailed me for

three months, knew, literally,

everything about me.

He had photos of me putting on

outfits, then he started

photoshopping my face onto,

like, naked girls' bodies.

>> Whoa.

>> He gave me three options

and it was 1--to Skype with him

for five minutes and do whatever

he said, 2--to Snapchat him,

or 3--to send him better quality

photos from what he did have.

Then the FBI got involved, so

now he's in prison.

>> Jeez.

So you went from having one

really creepy guy watch you all

the time to now having millions

of less creepy people...

>> Hopefully less creepy people.

>> Now, these people who watch

Catfish are...creep-free.

>> Okay.

>> I hope.

[Cassidy laughs]

Let's do it.

The subject is "Confusing

casting..."

What?

[Cassidy laughs]

Is this right?

This is weird.

Hold on a sec, 'cause this is an

email from the people at the

casting office.

Usually my emails come from

somebody.

This comes from, like, my

casting team.

It says...

"Hey, Nev, we have a strange

story here.

A little while ago, we got an

application from a girl named

Courtney who was asking for help

getting to the bottom of the

motives of a guy she met online

named Isaak.

We reached out to Courtney

to validate the information we

received, and she had no idea

what we were talking about."

>> What?

>> "Courtney had never applied

to Catfish.

Her feeling was that the only

person who would have sent in

the application was Isaak

himself."

>> * I went for a walk

* The other night

>> This has unnerved Courtney,

so if you wanna give Courtney a

call, she's agreed to videochat

with you and tell you her story.

All right, I'm gonna add her

right now--here we go.

[line ringing]

Wait, here she comes.

Hello--hi!

>> Hi.

>> So this is Cassidy.

>> Hi.

>> My Co-host Max is busy

working on a movie.

Maybe you can fill us in on

everything Courtney.

>> I live in a little town in

Georgia.

I'm a bartender and a mom.

Now this is happening, and I'm

just like I don't know where

it's gonna lead.

This was back in June.

I made an OkCupid profile.

I saw this guy who I thought was

attractive.

He said, "Don't message me if

you're just looking for sex."

Turns out he was this asexual

guy who was looking for a

relationship.

In my mind I'm like, "Okay, this

is strange but, I mean, I'm

open-minded."

So I gave him my number, and we

chatted for a little while.

It was like, "Oh, I really wanna

hang out, you seem so cool,

you're so pretty, you're so

nice," so I thought I'd give it

a whirl, and he sent me a text

with a picture, and it was not

the same person that was on his

profile.

I, like, called him out.

I was not interested any

further, so I completely cut him

off.

I hadn't even given him a

thought until I got the phone

call.

I was like...excuse me?

I wanna know who this guy is,

what his motivation is...

why me?

>> There's a really weird,

dangerous side to this guy in

how far he'll go and what he's

willing to do to get your

attention.

>> I had my computer and my

webcam hacked into over a year

ago.

With my experience, I didn't

know what extreme the guy

that was stalking me would go to

either.

So I think it'll just be a lot

safer for you to know who this

person is too.

>> All right, we'll say good-bye

and we'll see you really soon.

>> Bye.

>> Bye.

>> Okay...

>> * Tell me

* Where you're goin' *

>> Most important thing to do--

they say, like don't take these

tags off?

Which is ridiculous.

>> * I feel like right too

* I hope the key...

>> What is this--oh, is this a

TV monitor?

>> Yeah.

>> Whoo!

[laughs]

I never would have thought I'd

see myself on Catfish.

Like this is so weird--whoa!

>> Well, this is a very

interesting story, because

Courtney, she's not really

a "hopeful."

>> Right, she didn't really ask

for this.

>> We're doing it because it's

sort of a necessary evil.

Look at this fall foliage.

You wanna do the honors?

>> Okay.

[ding-dong]

>> Hey, guys.

>> Hello!

>> How are you?

>> I'm good, how are you?

>> Good to meet you in person.

>> Is it cool if they all come

in too?

>> Yeah, absolutely.

>> All right, come on, guys.

>> Sorry.

>> Is that little monster right

there?

>> There he is right there,

yeah...Cobin.

>> Oh, he's so cute.

>> He looks like a rock star

baby somehow.

>> both: Yeah.

>> Okay...

So tell us all about yourself.

>> I was born in Anchorage,

Alaska.

My mom was a figure-skating

coach, had us skating three

times a day.

I did that for seven years.

>> Whoa!

>> So we ended up moving to

Georgia, and then I met my son's

dad, and he was just a big

bundle of trouble, so...

>> Is he still in the picture?

>> No. He's not around at all.

Which is fine.

>> But then, six months ago,

you met Isaak.

You see in his profile that he

doesn't ever want to have sex.

>> He sold me on this idea of

just hanging out with no

pressure.

>> I mean, what kind of a lame

guy puts that in his profile?

>> [laughs]

>> Why are we looking at

Brandon?

>> 'Cause Brandon's got a Tinder

that says "not looking for

hookup."

So you're talking to Isaak.

>> We started texting, and he

was like, "I'll send you a pic,"

and the picture he sent me

looked absolutely nothing like

the pictures on the profile.

Immediately I was like, who is

that?

And he was like, "Uh...that's

me."

I'm like, "No, it's not."

I was just like, "No, we're not

hanging out."

He's like, "Are you sure?

Is it still fine?

Please tell me it's still fine

and we can still hang out."

I'm like, "No, we can't, no."

Mm-mm.

And then...

he kept texting.

>> It's pretty obsessive of him

from only talking to you for a

couple of weeks.

>> I wanna hear him explain

everything.

Maybe he'll give me some answers

for why my guy did it to me too.

This, I think, will be good for

both you and I.

>> All right, let's go check it

out.

So this is currently the profile

for Isaak.

Just right off the bat:

"Hi. I have three college

degrees, and I do massage

therapy."

Last online--this morning.

Wow, so he's still very active

on here.

>> Mm-hmm.

>> Let's take a closer look at

these profile pictures.

That was what you saw initially.

>> That's what I saw.

>> He looks nice.

>> Here he is with some friends.

>> On the left, yeah, supposedly

with some friends, whatever.

And I'm still thinking, "Uh, you

know, okay, cool."

>> Yeah, all right...

>> He has friends...

>> When I got the picture that

he texted me, it looked nothing

like the pictures on the

profile.

[dramatic music]

>> What?

Whoa!

So different.

>> We know very little about

this guy.

Is Isaak even his real name?

We don't know anything.

So before we kind of reach out

to this guy, I'd like to know

more about him primarily just to

be sure that we're not dealing

with a criminal.

>> Yeah.

>> I wanna know.

I wanna know why.

>> I want answers for you.

You know?

Like I wanna know too.

>> Thanks, guys.

I feel a lot better...

>> Don't worry.

>> Knowing that y'all are...

>> Yeah.

>> Around to help.

>> You're not alone.

>> I've been through this, so I

know.

>> Awesome.

>> Yeah. Good to meet you.

>> Yeah, you too.

>> I mean, this guy is really

prepared to do anything to get

this girl's attention, and

that's a big concern.

>> It happened to me, but, like

it's so weird seeing it happen

to someone else.

This gives me the chills, like

thinking about it.

>> * Finding our hopes

* For each other

* Way out in the country

* Somewhere

>> I like that we have rolling

chairs.

>> I know, it's actually fun.

I'm like, "Whee!"

>> So...here's what we know.

Courtney went online.

She meets this guy.

>> both: Isaak.

>> He's not interested in sex

at all.

Courtney's kinda curious.

He then sends her a picture,

and it's a guy that definitely

doesn't look like the guy she

thought she was talking to.

Courtney says no thanks...

>> Yeah.

>> Only to find out that he has

created a fake email,

impersonating her, to reach out

to our casting team saying how

much she wants to meet this guy

she met online, which is

obviously not the case.

>> Right.

>> Priority number one, though,

is basically making sure that

this guy, whoever he is, isn't

dangerous.

>> Right.

>> Let's run the picture on his

dating profile that looks like

a heat shot.

>> Head shot.

I've never done this before.

>> Got him!

>> Ah!

>> Oh, my God.

A lotta hits on this picture.

So this is a different...dating

website...

>> What?

>> That this guy has a profile

on with the same picture, same

user name.

He copy/pasted all of his same,

like who I am and what I'm

looking for.

That seems kind of weird.

>> That's really creepy.

>> Let's just quickly do an

image search for the picture

that he sent Courtney.

>> Ooh.

>> Ooh!

"Asexuality [bleep].

"An asexual is someone who does

not experience sexual

attraction.

Asexual people generally do not

see a lack of sexual arousal as

a problem."

This was his first post on this

website from 2008.

"Hey, all, it's great to be

here with the 1%, but I gotta

make sure I'm somewhat asexual.

Here's what you need to know

about me.

1--I masturbate a lot."

>> What?

>> "But I have never thought

about the naked body towards

either gender while

masturbating.

I only think about feet when I

masturbate."

>> [gasps]

>> Whoa! Foot fetish.

He has a foot fetish.

Our guy was exploring his

asexuality and trying to

understand himself better.

I'd like to see the email....

>> Okay.

>> That he sent to Cassidy.

You can go to the MTV casting

page and, like, fill out like an

application, then submit it.

>> S--yeah.

>> Okay, here is the email

from the casting office.

"Name: Courtney.

Email:

>> both: "Just call me."

>> That's creepy.

Because he doesn't have

Courtney's email.

He only has her cell phone.

>> Has her phone number.

>> He said, "He has a really

nice professional model pic on

his OkCupid profile, but the pic

he texted me looks different."

So weird that he wrote this...

>> As her, yeah.

>> So weird.

"Email for significant other."

Isaak [bleep].

>> That's his full name.

Maybe you could search that.

>> Yeah, wait, yeah, maybe we

got his full name here.

This is big.

This is all the information we

needed!

>> This is exciting.

>> Let's just look up Isaak

[bleep].

>> Wait, I'm nervous before you

press the button.

Okay, go.

>> Okay.

>> [laughing] Can I press it?

>> You press it.

>> Okay.

>> Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa,

whoa...

"GSU problems."

Which is the Facebook page for

Georgia Southern University.

"Isaak [bleep] was on Judge

Mathis today suing a girl for

not paying back rent he loaned

her in exchange for foot

massages"!

So here are a bunch of comments.

Karla said, "LOL! This guy was

a manager-trainee where I work.

He was something else, all

right."

>> Should we talk to Karla,

'cause she may have some more

information, so...

>> Okay.

[Nev reading]

Bam. Sent.

>> What about the first one?

>> The first person--

>> This guy.

>> "That's the weirdest kid I've

ever met in my life.

He posts ads on Craigslist to

give free foot massages to

girls."

Someone else said, "Didn't we

have an awkward run-in with him

our freshman year?"

This guy is, like, notorious.

>> It's freaking me out.

I'm, like, freaked out.

>> All we know right now is that

his name is Isaak, and there's a

reputation for this guy out

there that he's a little creepy,

aggressive, makes people

uncomfortable.

>> Right.

>> This was sort of exactly what

we were hoping wouldn't be...

>> Yeah.

>> The case for her.

>> I'm concerned hearing from

guys that he's creepy towards

other girls is scaring me.

I feel like we're doing our job

if we can prevent anything from

happening to Courtney in the

future.

>> We need to be really careful

with how we handle this.

>> Yeah. It's dangerous.

>> Yeah.

>> I can't stop thinking about

this.

>> I know, it's so weird.

>> Yeah.

>> Have you heard from anyone?

>> I have not.

Let's do a fresh Google search

here for Isaak.

Oh, what's this?

"Isaak [bleep] received his MED

in higher education

administration in 2012.

>> At least he was straight up

about his degree.

>> Still doesn't speak to the

rumors about him.

>> Right.

>> I mean, I think...

[computer chimes]

Oh, here's a phone call.

Hello?

Hey, how you doing, Karla?

We were just curious if you

could tell us anything about

Isaak.

Aside from being like a

little...maybe awkward, did you

have any other kind of specific

interactions with him?

That's all been really helpful.

Bye.

>> I think it's really weird

that he went into her work.

>> Yeah.

>> Especially since she didn't

engage with him in any way.

I just think that's really

creepy, and I'm concerned for

Courtney's sake for afterwards.

After we leave, what, you know--

if he is in the area, if he

really does know where she

works, anything of that sort...

>> This guy does seem to have

a skewed understanding or

perception of what's okay and

not okay.

>> Right.

>> And we don't know how far

he's willing to take that.

>> Yeah.

>> Courtney texted me.

She's at her mom's work, an ice

skating rink.

So we're gonna meet her there

with her mom.

We have a lot we wanna talk

about.

It's cold in here.

All right!

>> * In the shadow

* Of the pyramids

* Still holding onto

[Courtney giggling]

>> Whoo!

>> The reason that we're here

is because Isaak sent an email

pretending to be Courtney...

>> No, I didn't--

>> To our casting director.

>> I certainly did not know

that.

>> He's been very persistent.

We're obviously very concerned

for her safety.

>> Yeah, I am, too.

>> Above everything else, so...

We have a bunch of stuff to talk

about with Courtney.

>> Okay, definitely.

>> [giggling]

>> Okay, so here's where we

started.

We found a post that Isaak put

up on a website called

Asexuality [bleep].

>> "Here's what you need to know

about me.

I masturbate a lot..."

Which, actually, he told me that

he never did.

>> You specifically asked him

about it?

>> I asked him if he...had ever

had an orgasm, and he said he

didn't think so because he

didn't get those feelings.

"I have a foot fetish,

so I only think about feet when

I masturbate.

The fetish is directed to

females, so I guess that means

I'm straight."

>> Did you know he had a foot

fetish?

>> No! He never mentioned that.

>> Moving on.

This was kind of interesting.

It's from like a Georgia

Southern University page, and it

says a Georgia Southern

University student was on Judge

Mathis today suing a girl for

not paying back rent he loaned

her in exchange for foot

massages."

After that, we spoke to a

different woman who said that

she worked with him.

She said that she got a bunch of

messages over the course of...

>> both: Almost a year.

>> Yeah. And then she got a call

saying that he had come in

looking for her.

The fact that he went to her

work and sort of continued to

pursue her obviously was a

concern for her.

>> It's...scary.

I don't like the sound of that

at all.

>> I don't know, it's just--

whoa, it's make me really, like,

overwhelmed.

I mean, you don't know what this

guy really is like--I don't know

what this guy is like.

I'm scared for you, really, like

I'm creeped out, like this is

fricking creepy, like...

Whew. It's making me, like,

shaky.

Like look at my hand.

I'm getting so shaky!

>> I'm feeling really--I'm kind

of feeling kind of...I don't

know, I don't know how to

explain it--it's weird.

>> That's okay.

>> It's weird; this is scary.

>> It's okay.

>> And you've got a whole set of

circumstances in terms of your

son.

You need to decide whether or

not you wanna take the step and

sit down with Isaak.

>> Yeah.

>> Is he gonna listen?

Is he gonna leave me alone?

Or...am I gonna be watching

behind my back?

I have people that I need to

protect.

I have my family, and I don't

want to see any of them affected

by this.

I don't want him...showing up

here.

>> I know what it feels like to

go through something and have

someone go to this extent, to

every extent to, like, get your

attention.

It definitely is serious, 'cause

this is your life.

It's real life.

This is happening.

This is why we're here.

>> Let's all kind of just...

let all this set in, see how

you feel when you wake up,

and we'll kind of just take it

one little...step at at time.

>> Okay.

>> I think if it was me, I...

I don't know if I would want to

meet him, to be quite honest.

>> There's not gonna be any...

good explanation...

>> Right.

>> For why this guy would

impersonate her and somehow

think that's okay.

>> Yeah.

>> Let's check in with Courtney.

>> Okay.

>> See how she's feeling about

all this.

[line ringing]

Hello, Courtney.

Do you think you have any idea

of what you'd feel like you want

to do?

If that's how you feel, we are

going to give Isaak a call.

Okay, cool, so hang in there.

I can feel myself getting

frustrated already because I--

I'm worried that we won't be

able to communicate with this

guy...

>> Get through to him, yeah.

>> And I wanna be able to help

him and prevent this sort of

thing from happening again.

>> Right.

>> So you wanna call this guy?

>> Yeah.

>> Okay. It's calling Isaak.

[line ringing]

Yes, good morning, is this

Isaak?

Hi, this is, uh, Nev Schulman

from the MTV show Catfish.

Ha ha.

So...I imagine you probably kind

of already know why I'm calling.

[Isaak laughs]

Obviously reached out to

Courtney.

We spoke with her, and we're

curious to know sort of what

your thoughts and feelings are

about all this.

I-I'm just curious...

what made you think that

inviting her to be on the show

was something that she would

want to do?

There is something about the

extent that you've gone to that

is a little, you know, sort of

borderline obsessive.

We'd like to hear your side of

the story and give you an

opportunity to meet Courtney.

I don't know exactly how

Courtney will react or feel.

She's a little uncomfortable,

so you know, I'm just giving you

kind of a heads up that you

should not be too presumptuous

with what will or won't happen.

Okay, so...so we're going to,

uh, find a spot to meet up with

you, and I guess we'll just sort

of see what happens.

>> I don't know, like something

is just off to me.

>> Assuming that everything

we've heard and all the things

we've seen are real, he's...

I'm not saying "in denial,"

but he doesn't get it.

>> And he didn't drive by her

house.

Which I don't believe, but it's

just like...it's creepy.

Like, what makes you even think

that?

>> Yeah.

There's clearly something about

him that's...

>> A little off.

>> Right. A little skewed.

I think now we just sort of...

should go check in with Courtney

and see what's up.

We spoke to Isaak.

>> Did you?

>> I mean, he was a little

surprised and kind of excited to

hear from me.

He obviously really wants to

meet you.

>> He wants to meet you.

>> And in his mind, like, this

was just the way that he thought

it would happen, and it worked.

>> Right.

>> The big question now is...

are you ready to go over and

meet him?

>> Definitely.

>> Why don't we text Isaak?

Hey, Isaak, how about Milberry

Park in 30 minutes?"

We'll get to the bottom of this,

I promise.

>> * Maybe baby

* You were right

* I can see

* See for miles

* The same old line

* The same old line

>> What's going through your

head right now?

>> I mean, I'm concerned because

he scares people.

Who does this guy think he is?

*

* Hey

* Where it's been *

>> Figure this out...

Okay.

[phone vibrates]

So I actually just got a text

from Isaak.

He said that he is down by the

pond.

So whenever you're ready, we can

just sort of stroll over there,

and he'll be waiting.

>> [exhales]

Oh, my God.

>> It'll be okay.

>> [exhales] Okay.

[eerie singing]

*

Oh, my God, I'm gonna have a

heart attack.

>> I do s...

>> Yeah, I feel like...

>> You saw him too?

>> I saw him there, too, yeah.

[eerie singing continues]

*

>> Wanna take a sec?

>> Yeah. Maybe can we just stop

for one second?

>> Yeah.

>> All right, yeah, yeah.

>> You don't have to say

anything to him immediately.

You can feel it out for a

second and let him say

something and then speak however

you're feeling.

>> Okay. Just as long as you

guys are, like, right here.

Just don't leave me!

>> We will, of course, we're

gonna be here--it'll be okay.

>> Okay, all right.

>> Wanna take a deep breath?

>> [inhales]

[exhales]

Okay.

>> 'K.

>> All right, let's go.

[suspenseful music]

*

Isaak.

>> Hey.

>> Hi. How you doing?

>> Hi. Great. How are you doing?

>> Nev.

>> Great to meet you.

>> Good to meet you too.

This is Cassidy.

>> Hello.

>> Hi, Cassidy.

>> Nice to meet you.

>> You too.

>> And obviously...Courtney.

>> Courtney.

>> You look familiar.

[chuckles]

>> Uh...how's it going?

>> Yeah, yeah, pretty well.

>> Um...obviously...

you sort of had a hand in

setting all this up...

but, uh, tell us whatever it is

that you want to tell us.

>> Oh, sure, um...

Yeah, my--my name is Isaak.

That part was true.

Okay?

I was almost a little

misleading.

In all honesty, I was very...

uncomfortable at first with the

idea of, you know, putting all

my pictures online.

I didn't know what to think,

what could result from it.

I thought the picture looked

similar enough to me that I

could kind of get away with it

and...not have all my pictures

online for anyone to do with as

they please on a website I

wasn't familiar with.

Now, this is not--this was

dishonest, and I have to

apologize completely for that.

Um...

>> I'd like to know, just sort

of more about your intentions

and maybe what you envisioned

happening and what you were

interested in about Courtney.

>> [chortles] Aside from, you

know, she--she being beautiful,

I mean, you know, I love the

conversations we had.

I loved how I could open up to

her right away and not feel

so much judgment, and I like

how open-minded she was.

>> She mentioned that a lot of

your initial conversations did

have to do with your asexuality.

>> Right, yeah.

I mean, yeah, it's...it's--

it's--it is rare, you know?

I'm interested in...

a-a nonsexual relationship

with a lovely female.

>> And you're in school now?

>> Yeah, I'm about to graduate

for the fourth time.

>> Oh, wow.

>> I'm working on a massage

therapy license, actually.

>> Oh, you are.

So that's what you're in school

for now.

>> I've had a portable table

I've used for years on a lot of

friends.

It's always in my car--it's in

my car now.

>> Oh, okay, so you bring it

to their homes when you do give

them?

>> Yeah.

>> The last time you guys spoke,

how did you feel like you guys

left off in terms?

>> Oh, well, it was pretty

open--uh, pretty clear that

she--you know, she called me out

on the picture.

>> Right.

>> And wasn't interested in...

in getting to know me.

So that was obviously a bad

impression, and that's where it

left off.

>> So--wait.

You don't think that there's

anything wrong with that?

You don't think that there's

anything wrong with deceiving

people?

>> No, I didn't know what to

think--I didn't feel comfortable

at first, and I-I got caught.

This is why I usually don't lie,

'cause I'm a bad liar, okay?

I really usually don't lie.

>> What's strange to me is that

you didn't consider that the act

of impersonating her in filling

out the show application could

be interpreted by her as a

little obsessive or over the

top?

>> I just didn't know how else

to do it again--that's all.

Y'all are the only ones wanting

to talk--I want her to get to

know me more.

>> I think she's just listening

for the moment.

>> Just taking it in.

>> Can we just chat for a

second?

>> That's fine.

>> Give us a minute.

>> Sure.

>> And we'll be back.

>> Okay.

>> Thanks.

[tense music]

*

>> I feel like I can't get a

good read on him and that, to

me, is what confuses me the

most.

>> To me it just doesn't seem

like he really gets how serious

this is.

You can't make anybody want to

be a part of your life.

You can't force them, drag them

kicking and screaming...into

your life.

>> Yeah, I think...

>> You can't do that.

>> It would be good for him to

hear this from you.

>> Now, do you know where Max

is?

No? Come on.

I want to at least meet him.

Guess we'll have to do the

reunion show, I mean...

[laughs]

>> So why don't we go back over,

have a little bit more of a talk

with Isaak?

Courtney, you kind of take it

from here.

>> I almost felt like the whole

time that we were communicating,

I was willing to meet up and

maybe hang out and try something

until I realized that I had been

deceived.

And then at that point, uh, I

was no longer interested.

If there was ever a chance of

there being some sort of

friendship or anything, I feel

like you kind of squashed it

when you impersonated me and

invaded my life with this,

because I didn't ask for this.

>> This was obviously a very

last-ditch attempt to get to

meet you, but at a minimum, I'm

thankful I can at least

apologize to you, 'cause I owe

you an apology.

It's my loss, because I'm sure

you're a wonderful person, and I

won't get a chance to get to

know you further, but I won't

make any attempts to, that's for

certain.

>> Well, I would really--

I would appreciate it

if you didn't.

>> Of course.

>> I really want you to know

that I, you know, I have

compassion for--for how

difficult I would think it would

be for you to find the situation

that you're looking for, you

know?

But, you know, I think that

there might be hope for you in

the future to find someone if--

if you...are honest from the

get-go about everything.

>> All I--all I can really ask

for at this point is for

forgiveness and let you know

that I--I've learned my lesson.

I'm so sorry.

>> I-I forgive you.

I understand that--that you

really, really, you know, wanted

something to happen, and...

>> Okay.

>> Unfortunately, it just, like

I said, the way that you went

about it is--is making it

impossible for me to feel okay

with that.

>> I understand.

If you're interested, I know

some great massages.

Just sayin'...

[laughs]

>> Well...I don't think...

I don't think Courtney will ever

be a client.

We'll be in touch, and we'll

speak more.

See you later.

>> Okay.

>> Bye.

>> That was really...

pretty amazing.

What you said.

>> Yeah, it was, Courtney.

>> Thanks, guys.

I got the feeling that he's been

shunned a lot or, you know,

people think he's weird.

And--I don't know, I feel...

I feel bad for him.

I don't want him to feel bad

about himself.

I want him to, if anything,

try and take something positive

away, you know?

>> Yeah.

How was that for you?

>> I--I don't know, but it kind

of made me, like...I don't know.

It's crazy.

Like it brings back so many

feelings.

>> Did that guy remind you a lot

of the...

>> [exhales]

[sniffles]

>> Hey...

You all right?

>> [cries/laughs] Yeah.

Yeah, I really...[mutters].

I think I'll forever...always

have a guard up when I meet

anyone, and seeing him, I, like

can't believe anything he says.

I just--after what's happened to

me, and I don't know if that'll

ever go away.

And I think that's just

something I'm gonna have to deal

with, but...

it's just very real to see

someone who has so many

personality traits that remind

me of the guy that literally

terrorized my entire life.

>> * I adjusted to

* The darkness

* Made my home within

* The night

>> I don't know if there's

anything else that you need to

know.

>> Nope, I'm good.

>> I'd like to talk to him more.

Anybody can say...I'm sorry,

you know, please forgive me,

I understand what I did was

wrong, and yet, do they really

get it?

Why didn't they get it sooner?

Was this it for him?

* 'Cause the light, it ain't *

* Too comfortable

* Now I'm here with you *

>> This episode of Catfish: The

TV Show, continues now.

>> The hopeful's done dealing

with Isaak.

It's just you guys.

I think the goal this morning

is to really understand who this

guy is and try to make sure that

he won't do this again.

[line ringing]

>> Hey, good morning, Isaak.

I was just curious if you would

like to meet us with us today.

We have a coffee shop I think

would be just a great place to

meet up.

>> Hey, Isaak.

>> Hello again.

>> How you doing?

>> Uh...okay.

>> I think we sort of owe you an

explanation as to...

>> Who I am.

>> Exactly who Cassidy is and

why she's here.

>> The reason I'm here is I

actually had a really intense

online stalker.

He's now in prison for what he

did.

>> I hope you don't look at me

the same way you look at that

guy.

>> Uh...

>> I would never in a million

years do anything like that.

>> It's similar in a sense.

>> I just wanted to make it

clear that I admit what I did

was wrong by using a fake photo.

>> Yeah, I mean, you do

definitely understand it's not

okay.

>> Yeah.

>> There were a couple things

that we heard...

>> Okay.

>> In our investigation.

We spoke to a girl named Karla.

Someone had told her that you

showed up looking for her at

her job, and she had been a

little curious as to what your

intentions were.

>> All I remember is when I

stopped working there, I did go

back.

I was catching up with some of

the people who worked there.

And in my conversations with the

coworkers, my only guess is

maybe her name came up, and then

after I left, one of them said,

"Oh, he was here, and he

mentioned you."

And that may have been

over-exaggerated into, "Oh, my

gosh, he came here to see me."

Things can easily get

misunderstood with girls

sometimes.

>> Can I ask you--we saw a bunch

of posts regarding the Judge

Mathis appearance?

>> I did sue a girl.

She owed me a small amount of

rent.

But, of course, you know, with

Statesboro being a small town,

everyone has something

clever and negative to say.

>> Well, was there any element

of foot-related...

>> I agreed to loan her the

money, and then I did point out

that I have--I am a massage

"therapist."

But I wasn't just giving a foot

massage.

>> You didn't give her the money

in exchange for her letting

you...

>> Massage.

>> Massage her feet?

>> Well, I never gave her the

money--it was a loan.

Yeah.

>> All right.

>> We were kind of curious,

what's it been like for you

growing up?

>> Well, growing up, I thought I

was normal in the sense that I

did find women attractive, and

girls, you know, I found them

attractive in an innocent way.

But, unlike other guys, I didn't

like...wanna act on it.

I didn't know that I was

different.

The only thing I knew about me

that was different was that I

noticed classmates dating,

having girlfriends, and I was

just happy just being friends.

I didn't know about sex till I

was almost 20.

I thought it was just a way of

having a baby.

I didn't know it was something

that couples did regularly for

pleasure at all.

>> Surely, you must have been

exposed to...the concept of

casual sex for pleasure

through--

>> No--

>> Pop culture.

>> No, first of all, we grew up

without cable until I was almost

in high school.

Second, um...my mom was very

picky about the shows we can

watch so, yeah, I never came

across that stuff.

>> You never really got a talk

from your parents and none of

your friends never brought it

up?

>> Never. I didn't have a lot of

guy friends.

I've been judged:

"That guy's effing weird!

Not into sex?"

People brought to my attention

the term being asexual.

I'm just made differently.

I didn't choose it, I didn't

desire it, I didn't just think

one day, "Okay, I'm not gonna be

into sex."

But regardless of what you are,

asexual, transsexual, bisexual,

homosexual, whatever you

identify as, you need to embrace

it.

My preferences for the future

are I'd love to keep meeting

people, but I'm more than okay

with being single for the rest

of my life.

>> It's important to just accept

yourself as who you are, and I

think you've done a really good

job of doing that.

>> Just in terms of Courtney...

>> I definitely think it's

really important for guys to be

aware and to read when a girl

doesn't want that contact.

>> You're right, when she didn't

reply to my texts, that should

have been...a hint.

Thank you for the closure that I

needed and the lesson that I've

learned.

>> Sure, yeah.

>> All right.

>> Good luck with everything.

>> Nice to meet you, Isaak.

>> Nice to meet you.

>> Good luck.

>> * These wild flowers

* That grow here

>> Okay, well...

I feel pretty good about that.

>> Yeah, me, too.

It's more just about whether he

follows through with what he

says and if he holds up to his

word...

which I genuinely believe that

he will.

>> Another Catfish episode comes

to a pleasant conclusion.

>> I agree.

[line ringing]

>> Whee!

>> Hey, Courtney, the whole

gang's back together.

>> What's new?

>> Well, I haven't heard from

Isaak at all.

Don't think it really could have

gone much better.

>> Especially since he's gotten

the message and you guys have

both gone your own ways and...

doing your own thing.

>> Still pretty put off of

online dating.

I think I'm gonna stick to the

traditional way of doing things.

>> Sure.

>> I'm okay being with just me

for now, and I already have a

little man in my life.

>> Yes, that's true.

>> Best of luck with everything

in the future.

>> Bye.

>> Bye.

[line rings]

>> Hey, Isaak.

>> How you doing?

>> No offense, Cassidy, I'm just

saying.

>> Yeah, sorry.

>> Hoping to finally see Max.

I finished up school, um, last

month.

Now the next step is to start

meeting some new ladies who are

down for a proud asexual.

>> Sounds good!

>> Last time I checked, I had

154 women on OkCupid who liked

me based on the new photo.

>> Sounds like, for the most

part, though, things are going

pretty well.

>> Yeah, absolutely.

I gotta ask one last thing--

is there any hope of me making

the reunion show?

>> I don't know.

We'll certainly inquire.

>> All right.

>> See you later, Isaak.

>> Bye, Isaak.

>> "I met a girl named Armani

online, but how can you love

someone you've never seen in

person?"

>> Only seen one picture.

>> both: What?

>> You're really thinking about

like a serious relationship?

>> Hope so.

>> Oh, [bleep]!

>> She's in there somewhere.

We don't know what the hell's

coming out of that house.

Just be prepared for anything.

>> What the [bleep]?

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