Catfish: The TV Show (2012–…): Season 4, Episode 1 - Miracle and Javonni - full transcript
Single mom Miracle falls for Javonni, a dreamy-eyed Instagram user.
>> Hey, Catfish fans.
Zac Efron here with an important
announcement to make.
Shoot, let me do this one
more time.
Hey, guys, Zac Efron--oh.
Your amazing co-host of Catfish,
Max Joseph, is taking a leave of
absence for six episodes
to direct me in a movie.
Good luck with everything and
have fun with Nev.
Is that all right?
>> Yeah, that was--
>> That was pretty good.
>> So what would you do?
>> All right, let me show you.
>> Give me some tips.
>> Hey, guys.
Nev here.
Don't worry.
While Max is on hiatus,
we've got some special guest
stars who are gonna be standing
in for him for the few episodes
that he's gonna miss.
>> That was good.
>> You got to up your smugness
just a little bit.
>> Yeah.
>> To get it right.
I am really sad I can't
be there.
>> If you're not gonna be on the
show, then I'm gonna have to
take this.
>> You're commandeering
my camera?
>> Sorry, Max.
Say good-bye to
your Catfish fans.
>> See you, Catfish fans.
>> I will be back.
Trust me.
>> You guys get back to work so
you get back as soon as
possible, all right?
>> Good luck.
>> Be safe out there, buddy.
>> Well, an all new episode of
Catfish starts right now.
Hi, I'm Nev,
and I'm jumping into the fourth
season of Catfish.
>> I'm gonna have
a heart attack.
>> But starting off,
things are a little different.
We don't have Max.
>> Action!
>> My co-host is directing
We Are Your Friends,
his first feature film,
starring Zac Efron.
So for five episodes...
>> 'Sup, Nev?
>> Hey, man.
I'll be on the road with
guest partners.
>> Catfish!
>> What's this?
A TV monitor?
[gasps] Whoa!
>> But the mystery...
Foot fetish.
>> [gasps]
>> Don't you follow no angry
black man into their house.
>> Deception...
>> This could be the biggest
family betrayal this show
has ever seen.
>> Forgiveness...
>> There might be hope for you
if you are honest
from the get-go.
>> And shocking twists
are back.
We don't know what the hell's
coming out of that house.
>> What the [bleep]?
>> This is Catfish: The TV Show.
>> All right.
Ready to give it a shot?
>> So, going to A?
>> Well, I kind of have to start
with the singles here, so let me
just actually frame that up.
>> Hey, everybody.
This week, we have an all new
special co-host.
>> Sign my petition, please.
We want people to be black.
>> You know him from the radio.
You've seen him on TV.
Here he is: Charlamagne.
>> Sup, Nev?
>> Hey, man.
>> Thank you for
having me, man.
I already realize this show is
real because there's no hair
and makeup people.
>> You've been tweeting about
the show as long as the show's
been on.
>> You can't stage some of those
moments that these people are
having, you know?
>> Yeah.
>> Some episodes I see, and the
guy will be real mad, like, "How
could you do this to me?"
Yadda yadda yadda--I'm like,
"Dawg, who cares?
Have sex with her."
You came this far.
You got in a plane.
>> Release the tension.
>> Absolutely.
>> All right.
I got to teach you
one important thing.
This is Max's famous mini cam.
>> Wow.
>> Just roll on everything.
>> Okay.
>> And once you're ready, let me
know and we'll get into this.
>> Let's do it.
>> All right, so it says,
"Dear Nev and Max,"
so I'm gonna edit it on the fly.
So "Dear Nev and Charlamagne..."
>> Okay.
>> "Hey, guys.
How are you?"
>> I'm fine.
>> Okay, good.
"My name is Miracle
and I'm 26 years old and live
in Milwaukee."
>> I love Milwaukee.
>> You've been to Milwaukee?
>> Yeah, I've been there a
couple weeks ago, actually.
>> "I'm emailing you because I
have met the man of my dreams
and his name is Javonni."
>> * No, I won't lose hope *
* No, I won't lose sight *
>> "He randomly sent me a friend
request on Instagram back in
January and told me that I
should text him sometime."
>> That means he likes what he
saw on her Instagram.
>> "Javonni seemed to be a
super cool go-getter, not to
mention that he was the most
amazingly handsome man that I
had met in years."
>> * Heaven is a place
* That I can't find *
>> "He started telling me about
how he was an up-and-coming
music producer..."
That's always a red flag.
"Who had recently moved from
Milwaukee to Atlanta."
People always think, "Well, if
I'm a music producer, I can
always use the excuse, like,
'Oh, I'm in the studio.'"
Like, we see that all the time.
>> True.
"Right now, my feelings for
Javonni are through the roof.
He restored my heart and soul
at the same time..."
>> Hmm.
>> "And just took away all the
pain, hurt, and sorrow that I
had once felt towards all men.
However, I feel like we're
drifting apart.
I would ask him to video chat
with me, and he would always say
that he couldn't because he
didn't remember any of
his logins for the website."
That's...
>> Some B.S.
>> This is some B.S.
>> Yeah.
"When he still lived in
Milwaukee, I would often ask him
when we would be able to meet,
and he would always tell me
'Very soon,'
but it has never happened.
If he is who he says he is,
then he is, without a doubt,
my ideal man, husband, life
partner, and I would like to see
where this could
potentially go."
I mean, that's deep for an
online relationship.
>> I agree.
That's a Drake single waiting to
happen right there.
>> "I am begging for you guys
to help to uncover a long
overdue love that needs to be
brought together."
>> If you got a chick that you
can potentially smash
close to you,
and you don't go smash it,
something's wrong.
Something's wrong.
You the man!
>> Let's get this girl on the
old video chateroo.
>> Let's do it.
>> Hi.
>> Hi!
Hey, how you doing?
Hi, Charla--
>> You know this guy?
>> Yeah, oh, my God.
We met a few weeks ago here.
>> You met her?
>> Oh, at the club!
She had a T-shirt on of my face.
Now, see, this is gonna seem
so staged.
>> Whoa.
>> Hold on, I got it on
my Instagram.
>> Are you guys messing with me?
>> Hold up, hold up.
>> No, this is so real.
>> Hold on.
>> Are you Javonni?
>> No, I'm not Javonni.
>> You said you
were in Milwaukee
recently for a gig or something.
>> I was in Milwaukee.
This one right here.
>> What?
>> Hold on,
let me get out my camera.
>> This is crazy.
>> This is insane.
>> And now she's requesting
our help with an
Instagram relationship.
>> Listen, I totally believe in
the universe, man.
This is not a coincidence.
>> Wow.
Okay, so we just
read your email.
This guy has, like, a real
emotional hold on you.
>> A huge one.
It was like he knew the right
things to say at the right time.
"Oh, you're beautiful."
The good morning text messages,
the good night.
He will often ask
is my daughter okay.
He just made it aware that he
was there for me no matter what.
>> Has he ever, like, sent you
music that he produced?
>> No.
>> That's a little weird.
If he is an up-and-coming...
>> It is, but--
>> music producer,
you'd think he would want to
share some of that music
with you.
>> Right.
>> Have you spoken on the phone?
>> Yes.
Three times.
He sounds like he's the person
that I've been seeing
everywhere, you know, in
pictures and everything.
Nothing too crazy, like he's a
woman or anything.
>> Here's a guy who "wants to be
there for you," and yet can't
take you out for dinner.
>> Get dinner?
He not trying to smash?
You a cute girl, Miracle.
>> If you really think that
meeting this guy is something
that can greatly affect your
life, I would like to try and
make that happen.
>> Miracle needs a miracle.
>> Absolutely.
>> We will kind of put our stuff
together and catch the next
flight to Milwaukee.
>> Oh, my God, I can't wait to
see you guys.
>> Bye, Miracle.
>> Bye.
>> What are the chances
of that, Nev?
It's amazing how the universe
works, yo.
>> Yeah, you guys were meant to
meet, and to obviously
meet again.
>> Yeah.
>> Let's get our stuff together.
>> This is the fun part.
Here we go, Nev!
Crazy how somebody like Miracle
can fall for this.
She knows it's probably B.S.
>> She kind of knows.
>> But she just wants to know.
Hope dealers, man.
He's selling hope.
>> This is your travel swag?
>> T-shirt from Target.
$9.99.
I need to catch
a big-ass catfish.
I can't believe y'all
couldn't pay for a
straight-through flight.
This catfish [bleep] is too
real, man.
Y'all keeping it way too real.
Or cheap, one of the two.
>> Miracle's so convinced that
Javonni is this amazing, loving
person, and we don't know if he
is the real deal or not.
This girl's got a story.
We got to make her feel
comfortable to tell us.
>> Do something
that men never do,
actually listen to the female.
>> That's right.
>> Okay, I got you.
>> All right, let's do this.
>> Nev, ladies and gentlemen.
>> Look at you.
You're a natural.
Hey, there she is.
>> Hi. How are you?
>> Hello.
>> Hi, Charlamagne.
>> You know Charlamagne.
>> Miracle!
>> Wow, this place is decorated.
>> Thank you.
This is Rikai.
This is our wall.
>> What a smile.
Oh, my God.
>> This is Rikai's room.
>> What?
>> Rikai out here ballin'.
First of all, where the hell you
find all these black Barbies?
>> I want her to feel like if
Barbie can be president,
astronaut, doctor, then she
can too.
>> I didn't know Barbie was that
racially diverse.
>> Before we move too fast,
I'd like to know a little bit
more just sort of about you and
your background.
>> Well, of course.
I guess you should know why my
name is Miracle.
My mom, she was on drugs,
and she didn't know that she
was pregnant until
the day she had me.
She thought she had a tumor.
>> Whoa.
>> So...
>> For nine months?
>> Mm-hmm.
>> Wow.
>> What drugs
was your mom using primarily?
>> Crack cocaine.
>> Crack cocaine.
>> Me and my sisters,
we were exchanges.
>> What does that mean?
>> Yeah.
>> She was on drugs.
She didn't have the money.
She had a vagina,
they had, you know...
So if I have sex with you,
can I have, you know...
>> Wow.
>> And then, of course, my dad.
>> Where's he?
>> I have no idea who he is.
She doesn't even know, so...
>> Is she still struggling?
>> Mm-hmm.
It's not as bad,
but she's still on.
She'll say, "No, I'm not."
We know you are.
We're not crazy.
>> You have every reason
to be a loser.
>> Right.
>> Like, you could have just
accepted it and been like, "You
know what, eff life.
I'm gonna be a failure,
make excuses."
>> I mean, I did at one point,
but then I got pregnant.
Then I had her and was like,
"Wow, okay, I have this little
person following me around now.
You know, she's gonna
look up to me.
Like, I'm somebody's mother."
So she's the only reason.
>> Explain to me how Javonni
got you wrapped up in
this relationship.
>> It may sound crazy.
Like, the things he was saying,
I hadn't heard in a while.
>> Then what happens?
>> He just kind of, like,
dropped the random
bombshell on me.
He was telling me
that he had a meeting,
a real big meeting in Atlanta.
He wanted me to be the first
person to know.
He's saying, "T.I. signed me to
Grand Hustle."
He said, "I'm gonna have to move
to Atlanta."
He was all over the place.
He kept saying his sister had
lupus, so he was, like, back and
forth from there to here.
Out of nowhere,
I get a text message.
"Who is this?
Don't text Javonni's
phone anymore.
He doesn't need you, you're a
groupie, you just want him for
his money and who he is."
>> He said, "Oh, my God,
that's my ex, she's crazy."
>> Do you think that all the
stuff that he was telling you
may not be true?
>> I mean, I know it's some sick
people out here, but I don't
think that a person would lie
about their sister having lupus.
>> You don't watch Catfish.
>> I absolutely do.
>> Oh.
>> I don't think he would lie
about that, no.
T.I., Grand Hustle?
>> All right, well, I got to see
this guy.
>> I need to see this guy too.
>> All right, so let me
get this going.
>> I'm watching Nev in action.
I feel like I'm watching
LeBron play.
>> That is Javonni.
>> Okay.
I have to say, he looks much
more like a regular guy than I
thought he would.
>> He looks attainable.
>> I want to see your messages.
>> His text messages?
>> I would live to see this B.S.
that he's feeding you.
>> Yeah, so let's just see what
he says to you.
>> You want to role play?
Want me to be Javonni?
>> Sure.
>> "Yeah, I'm that type of
[bleep] when I find something
I like."
>> You found something you like?
>> "I believe I have."
>> I think I have.
>> "Really?
That's what it dew"--
D-E-W.
>> I told my friends I think I'm
being catfished.
>> "Aw, yeah, that's
some bull[bleep].
Laugh out loud.
I need to be asking you that.
Wait, are you a catfish?
You seem to be everything I look
for in a woman.
I think I need a Miracle
in my life."
This is amazing.
He's good.
Now I'm starting to see
he's kind of good.
>> He's giving me attention.
I don't really feel like I've
met anyone worthy enough for me
to say I'm ready to settle down.
Javonni just makes me feel
more wanted.
At the end of the day,
I feel like I deserve to be
happy just like everybody else.
Like, my past should not
determine my future.
I can honestly say everything
that he's said about the Grand
Hustle, the producing,
everything, I don't really care
about that stuff.
He's a great guy.
If it's not him,
I just want to know why.
>> It means being ready for
the truth.
>> I'm ready--it's long overdue.
>> All right.
We're gonna get out of here.
Do some research.
We'll be in touch.
>> Bye, Charlamagne.
>> All right, Miracle.
>> See you guys later.
>> What do you think about all
this, man?
>> I ain't gonna front, man.
It's a lot.
Nobody ever paid her attention.
She probably never felt like
somebody really cared.
I want to hug my daughter and,
like, "Oh, you are loved."
This guy is not gonna be nothing
that she thinks he's
going to be.
Lord have mercy.
>> So you do this at a cafe?
>> That's all I need.
>> You are the cheapest man
in America.
You stay in three-star hotels...
>> Free internet.
>> You drive minivans,
and you mooch people's
free wireless?
>> So basically what we're
dealing with--
we've got a young lady, she's
26, nine-year-old daughter.
Some guy hits her up on
Instagram, gives Miracle his
number, they start texting,
and here we are a year later.
We've got to figure out who this
Javonni guy is,
if he's the guy in the pictures.
I mean, right now we really
don't know if anything he's
telling her is true.
>> So what are we waiting on to
work your magic?
This is all you use,
isa computer?
You don't have, like, no,
like, no Batman utility belt?
>> We have no special tools.
I got my phone and a laptop
and free wi-fi.
>> Wow.
>> Let's start with Javonni's
phone number.
Let's throw it in Spokeo.
It's searching.
Oh, we got male.
It says address unknown.
So not a lot coming through on
the phone number, unfortunately.
>> You're really looking
for this guy.
I really thought that this was
some type of plant, like--
>> You thought somehow we
wouldn't have to actually figure
it out and find him?
>> Yeah.
I thought he was already
in on the act.
>> No, man.
>> This is a real show.
You're not doing this just
'cause I'm here, right?
>> Nope.
Let's go through his photos, and
then we'll do an image search.
Here's the first one.
No direct match.
No hits.
>> This guy doesn't exist, man.
>> Ahh!
>> So what do you do
when you strike out?
>> You know what I think
could help?
>> What?
>> A little silver fox infusion.
>> Okay.
>> I usually do this with Max.
>> So you're admitting right now
that Max is the brains of
this operation, basically.
>> I think Max has
a lot to offer.
Let's give him a call.
Oh, connecting.
Hey!
>> Hey, guys.
>> What's going on?
>> Really?
That's a set, Max?
>> So while you're on the beach,
I'm sitting here with
Charlamagne trying to track down
Javonni Santos.
Guess what--
he's a music producer.
>> [laughs]
>> Right.
We need a little inspiration.
What are, like, all those things
that we always remember after--
>> PeopleSmart?
>> Let's write that down.
>> Hey, come on!
I'm a little rusty.
>> Sorry for bothering you,
Mr. Max.
>> Later, buddy.
>> Thank you, sir.
>> Here's Javonni's cell phone.
Let's check and see if that
shows up on PeopleSmart.
Come on, now.
Come on, give us something.
>> We got the luck of the silver
fox on our side.
We should be okay.
Rickie Witherspoon!
It's him!
He's 27!
Born April 1987.
You did it, Nev!
You got him!
>> This could be the break.
>> Max did it.
>> Current address.
Milwaukee, so that's good.
So now let's look up Rickie.
We got a Twitter profile.
That looks like it could be
our guy.
>> That's catfish.
>> Look, he's got,
like, an album.
Let's hear it.
[rap music]
*
Oh, here we go.
Oh, boy.
We got a music video
with him in it.
>> These [bleep] here.
You know who I am,
the director.
Mr. Director.
>> Oh.
That's him.
>> Just finishing up, you know,
our little video shoot
that I leaped one time.
>> I think we play Miracle that
video, and we're just like, "is
this the voice," and she says
yes, then we know it's this guy.
>> You did it again, man.
This is amazing to watch.
>> Basically we've got a guy
who's a less-successful-than-he-
makes-himself-out-to-be music
producer who has been pretending
to be this very handsome guy,
but the good news is that he
is a guy, he is making music,
and he does live in Milwaukee.
I think, if he is really the
sweet guy that he presents
himself as with Miracle, like,
maybe there's a chance.
>> Absolutely.
You got him.
>> We've got some real
information to go back to her
with tomorrow.
Let's get out of here.
>> To Catch a Catfish continues.
>> Yesterday, we may have found
our guy, Rickie.
But here's something else
that we can do
to prove to her that she's not
talking to Javonni.
I was thinking, you've got a
pretty big social
media following.
>> Mm-hmm.
>> Nobody knows that you're
working on the show right now.
>> Mm-hmm.
>> So if you posted a picture of
this guy, Javonni, and just sort
of said, like, "Hey--"
>> "I'm looking for this
producer.
I heard he makes hot beats."
>> Yeah, exactly.
>> Now we talking.
So I'm like the sexy decoy.
Bam!
I posted on Instagram and
Twitter and Facebook.
I'ma speak his language.
"Looking for this guy.
Heard he got them beats
and [bleep]."
>> Bam.
Let's see how long it takes.
Has anyone
hit you back about Javonni?
>> Let me see.
Somebody said,
"Isn't that eyeyou--"
that's eyeyouugly!
We got him!
>> Hold on, hold on.
>> He's got 7,000 followers.
Oh, video.
>> Yeah, man, I've
been up all night.
I didn't get no
sleep last night.
>> We got him.
>> All right.
>> Ah, poor Miracle.
>> Let's message this guy.
"It's Nev from Catfish.
Any chance we can chat quickly?
Let me know."
I think we got everything we
need now to totally prove that
she's not talking to this guy.
The guy she is talking to is
potentially Rickie.
We should go over to Miracle's,
show her everything that we
found, because we might say
Rickie Witherspoon to her and
she might say, like,
"Oh, my God, I know Rickie."
>> Yeah.
>> Who knows what could happen?
>> Yeah.
>> All right.
Let's load out.
Rickie Witherspoon.
We're coming for you.
>> Espresso bar.
Nev, let's get a triple shot
of espresso and lose
our [bleep] minds.
>> All right.
How are you feeling right now?
>> Nervous.
>> It's very important to
remember right now that you may
not control all the events that
happen to you, but you can
decide whether or not to be
reduced by them.
>> Thanks, Charlamagne.
>> First thing's first.
We did a phone search,
and that gave us a hit.
It came up registered to a guy
named Rickie.
Do you have any idea
who that guy is?
>> No, but his address--
that's right down the street
from where I live.
>> This address is
very close to you.
>> On a good day,
in walking distance.
>> So we thought, "Okay, let's
look up Rickie Witherspoon,"
and it did bring us to
this Twitter account.
This doesn't ring any bells?
Well, we were scrolling through
tweets and we came across
this video.
>> You know who I am,
the director.
Mr. Director.
Just finishing up, you know,
our little video shoot.
>> Having spoken to Javonni on
the phone,
does that guy's voice...
>> No.
>> Sound anything like
Javonni's to you?
>> Not at all.
>> I don't think she wants it to
be his voice.
>> So this morning, we decided,
let's do something we've never
done before.
We downloaded a picture of
Javonni and sort of asked
the internet, "Does anybody know
who this guy is?"
And it brought us to an
Instagram account.
"Eyeyouugly."
The pictures are the same guy.
We started to get to pictures
that include this girl.
>> Yeah, that sucks.
Bad.
>> I believe that you're so real
that it's easy for you to
believe in other people.
That's why it was easy for you
to believe that this guy was
Javonni Santos, or whatever
his name was.
>> Like, someone should tell him
that somebody's using him
like that.
Like, that sucks.
>> Actually, we reached
out to him.
I sent him an Instagram message.
I don't know if he wrote back,
but we should check.
Okay, he said, "Sure, I'm free.
We can FaceTime."
So do you want to talk
to this guy?
>> Yeah.
>> Hey, what's up?
>> Hey, what's going on?
>> Thanks for getting back
to me.
Appreciate it.
What should I call you?
>> You can call me Jonathan
or JC.
>> Okay, so your name is
Jonathan, though.
>> Right.
>> Have you ever seen my
show, Catfish?
>> I have.
>> Okay.
So we're helping a young lady
who has been talking to someone
who looks a lot like you.
>> I'm so sorry.
>> If you don't mind just
saying hello, that might be a
nice thing.
>> Hi.
>> Hi, baby.
>> Hey.
>> How are you?
>> It sounds like
the text messages.
I'm fine.
I don't know, this is just
really weird.
It's--I don't know.
>> Do you have any history or
friends in Milwaukee?
>> Not at all.
I don't know anybody
from Milwaukee.
>> You okay?
>> Who does that
to somebody?
I just kind of feel like
my heart has been broken.
Even if it was just through text
messages, those messages meant a
lot to me.
>> * I know you're gonna *
* Wait for me
* Until I won't be there *
>> What do we do next?
>> I want to know
who it is.
>> You do?
>> Absolutely.
>> I could feel her hurt.
It was genuine.
Like, she knows
her fantasy is gone.
>> I think at this point we just
have to reach out to Javonni
and say, "Look, we know you're
not the guy in the pictures,"
and see if he wants
to come clean.
>> Let's go.
[line ringing]
>> Yes, hello, is this Javonni?
>> Okay, cool.
Hey, this is Nev.
Have you seen or are you at
least familiar with the TV show
that I make called Catfish?
>> Great.
As you, I'm sure, already know,
Miracle, the young lady that
you've been talking to, would
very much like to meet you.
>> Okay, so are you
in Milwaukee?
>> We were curious--do you also
ever go by Rickie?
Is that also your name, or...
>> So--
[phone beeps]
>> I mean, look, this is not so
different than some of the
people we've met before.
They want to tell the truth,
they want to come clean, like he
said, "I'm ready to have this be
over," or what did he say?
Something like that.
>> I don't like when people
say things like that.
>> I don't either.
>> "Over" sounds final.
>> Let me go get my stuff,
and I'll meet you in the lobby.
>> Word.
>> All right, cool.
>> Let's do it.
>> Javonni texted me a few
minutes ago with an address,
and guess what.
It's the same address that comes
up with the phone number
with Rickie.
To me it's--
>> It's a wrap.
You got him.
>> We got him.
[knocking on door]
Oh, there she is.
>> Hi.
>> Hi.
>> So where are we going?
>> We're going to that address
that we found for Rickie.
It turns out that that's where
he is.
>> Ugh, this is sick.
We live in the same city.
Like, do you know me?
>> Right.
>> Did somebody put you
up to this?
I just feel real dumb.
I just never thought it could
happen to me.
>> Do you feel like he owes
you anything?
>> I just want to know why.
>> It's gonna be on this side.
There it is.
I'll go knock,
and I'll bring him out, okay?
>> Okay.
>> I'm not sure which door
to knock on.
[knocking on door]
>> Oh, hell no.
>> Hey. How you doing?
>> Hey. How's it going?
Pretty good.
>> I'm Nev.
>> Nice to meet you, Nev.
>> I'm gonna guess your
name is Rickie...
aka Javonni.
>> This is a whole lot.
It's a whole lot.
>> Right.
>> But the best thing
you could do is, you know,
follow me inside.
>> Actually what I'd like to do
is introduce you to Miracle.
>> Yeah, I'll do that for you.
>> So let's do that.
>> I'll do that for you.
I mean...
>> You don't want to come
down here?
>> I'd rather have her come up
this way.
>> Why is that?
>> Like I said, you definitely
need to follow me inside.
I got some...
It's hard to explain right now.
Yeah, it's hard to explain.
>> Why don't you just walk down
here with me?
Wait, hold up, hold up.
Hold up.
Where are you going, man?
>> Nev, don't you follow no
angry black man into
their house.
>> I guess he went
back upstairs.
>> I can understand he feels
like we're putting him
in the hot seat.
He really needs us to go inside.
I'm willing to go in.
>> It's fine.
Charlamagne, you have to
come too.
>> Oh, Lord, MTV ain't paying me
enough for all of this, bro.
>> Okay, we are in the house.
>> Do you know me
from somewhere?
Like, have you seen me?
>> No.
>> So why me?
>> You know, I...
It's tough, man.
It's hard.
>> [sighs]
>> Hey.
Let's just talk for a second.
She's just feeling a lot of
anger and humiliation.
>> I get that.
I get that.
>> So I think the best thing you
can do is to just tell her and
us what's going on with you.
Whatever it is.
>> Oh, God.
>> Give me a sec.
>> Think about it.
No pressure.
He's just gonna take a second.
I'd like to at least
give him an opportunity
to just explain himself.
>> Oh, my God.
>> All right.
>> Hi.
>> Hello. How are you?
>> Hi.
>> I'm Nev.
>> I'm Kara.
>> Kara.
>> Yes.
>> Hi.
>> Well...
I'm Javonni.
>> Meaning you are the person
with whom Miracle has
been texting?
>> Yes.
>> Which would mean that you're
the guy on the phone
that she spoke to?
>> Yes.
>> So together,
you guys created this--
>> Not together.
>> No.
>> I did it on my own.
When Miracle wanted to speak
with a guy, I didn't know
who else to turn to...
but my husband.
I made a page, 'cause a friend
of mine, her boyfriend was
cheating on her, and the girl
that he was cheating with, I was
trying to get her to give me all
of her information.
So of course, when I made the
page, I'm just sending out
friend requests to everyone.
>> So you made the Javonni
Santos page to reach out to a
girl that your friend's
boyfriend was messing
around with?
>> Yes.
>> Explain how we ended up here
right now.
'Cause there's a big--
>> There is a big gap.
Well, I don't work, because I
have lupus.
Most of the time, I'm just kind
of laying around,
kind of in bed not feeling good,
so when she started texting, it
was like, "Oh," not thinking
that it would have went
this far.
Not even thinking that it would
have lasted more than
a week or two.
>> This is some real
Catfish [bleep].
>> How do you let your wife do
this, though?
Why didn't you check
your wife, bro?
>> Like, why didn't you take the
phone and say, "Miracle, it's my
wife, she playin'"?
>> She's here majority
of the time.
I'm usually not here.
I'm working.
That's what I do, you know?
So I'm normally gone,
so I didn't realize how deep it
had gotten.
Like, girl, you need
to stop with that.
I didn't realize that it went
over what she originally planned
for it to be.
>> Once I get to know Miracle,
like, I thought she was a really
sweet girl.
>> Are your feelings--
>> Genuine. They're genuine.
Yes.
Everything through our text
messages, that was all me.
>> But to be clear, you
expressed, at least from the
little bit that was made
apparent to us, like,
romantic feelings.
>> Um, some of it was pretend
and some of it was real.
But far as, like, wanting a
relationship with her, no, I
don't want to take it that far.
>> I mean, just from what I got,
it was a relationship.
>> No, it wasn't.
>> That, you know, couldn't be
put to rest, you know?
Like, you know, a month goes
past, you're still conversating?
Why are you still--
you're still--
this is what's still going on?
>> This is some B.S. right now.
You did make me feel like that
person was a real person.
Now we're on national television
looking crazy as hell.
I got friends, I got family,
I have a daughter.
I have a job, I have a career,
I work for the damn state.
I'm sitting over here looking
dumb as hell because of you.
>> I do apologize that you got
wrapped up, but at the same
time, it's not like, "You, you,
you, you, you."
It's not that.
It's us.
We did it together.
We was in this together.
We was--I wasn't texting myself.
You're trying to blame
the victim.
>> Mind you, several times,
I did try to stop.
>> Every time you tried, you
were right back trying to keep
me to stay there, saying all of
this weird stuff.
Let's just be real.
Do not sit there and say, like,
you was just sitting here like,
"I'm done, I'm done, I'm done,"
and I'm just sitting there like
some dumb-ass female, and I'm
still there.
>> Come on, man, let's be real
about the [bleep] thing.
>> I tried more than once.
>> Is it lupus or is she psycho?
Which one?
You're a sick individual.
>> I am a [bleep]
sick individual,
I am a sick individual.
>> I know you are.
>> I have lupus, and I live with
it every [bleep] day.
>> Your mind, your mind.
>> You're talking about sick--
my mind is good,
my mind is good.
>> Something's wrong with you.
[both speaking at once]
>> I apologize.
I said I'm sorry,
and now what the [bleep]
do you want me to do?
Like, get on my knees and beg?
I'm not gonna do that.
>> Ladies, ladies, ladies.
>> Calm down, okay? Calm down.
>> I'm beyond pissed.
>> We ain't talking.
I ain't talking to her no more.
We ain't talking.
>> Maybe now is the appropriate
time to--
>> Absolutely.
>> You see me?
Don't speak me.
>> Trust me, there ain't no
reason to.
Sweetie, you basic.
>> Do you see
your outfit, though?
And I'm basic?
Is that a fishnet?
>> Let's go. Let's go.
>> There's the door.
>> We can leave.
'Cause this [bleep]'s done.
>> Okay.
>> All right, bro.
Peace, man.
>> Take it easy.
>> Have a good day.
>> You too, now.
>> They's some
sick-ass individuals.
They both some [bleep] bums
if you ask me.
>> You should holler at your
wife, though, man.
Don't let her do that
again to somebody.
>> You know, the bottom line is
you don't know what's, you know,
what's going on behind the
scenes, is basically
what I'm trying to say.
>> Y'all be cool, man.
>> Get me the hell out of here.
>> It is.
>> That's it. It's over with.
>> It is.
>> You know?
>> She didn't have to
call you basic.
>> She own a fishnet top.
I'm basic?
Her haircut's $6.99.
>> I'm telling you, a pack.
>> It was on sale.
Buy one, get one free.
>> But you basic, though.
>> I'm basic.
>> I never would have considered
that a woman who was catfishing
you would have her
husband involved.
>> Oh, my goodness.
[knocking on door]
>> Yo.
>> Hey, man.
>> 'Sup, bro?
>> I think there's a lot more to
Kara's story than
we got yesterday.
I just don't want to leave
tension and negativity.
>> Make Miracle understand
Kara better.
You're a good guy, man.
You got a great heart.
>> I think my best chance at
sort of breaking down Kara
and getting her to really open
up to me would be to just talk
to her solo,
and then meet back up with you
and Miracle, fill you guys in,
so that she can sit down with
Kara and they can relate
to each other.
>> Hi.
>> Hello.
>> How you doing?
>> How are you? I'm good.
>> Good to see you.
I'd love to know what you
thought was gonna happen
yesterday when you walked out
from that hallway, 'cause you
caught us all pretty off-guard.
>> When I came out,
I was so calm,
and then, when I got upset
is she said, "It must be the
lupus that's messing with your
mind, that's making you
act psycho."
You don't know what
I've been through.
You don't know what life is like
when I'm stuck in my bed,
that my husband has to carry me
to the bathroom, help me take
down my clothes, sit me on the
toilet, help me wipe, put me
back in the bed.
Like, you don't know that life.
Lupus is an autoimmune disorder,
and it affects everything.
So there's no sun,
no sun exposure.
I have to wait until the sun
goes down before I can
go outside.
>> Really?
>> I feel bad for my children,
because they want to go out and
they want to play, they want to
enjoy things, but I'm not
able to.
Sometimes, like, I feel like
I'm suffocating.
>> The situation you're in now
leaves you with a lot of indoor
time on your hands.
Obviously, you fill some of that
time with social media.
>> Yes. Yes.
>> You were using the Instagram
profile to follow and learn
about this other girl.
>> Right. Right.
>> In an effort to make it seem
legit, you friended a bunch
of people.
>> Just random people.
And she was the only one
that responded.
I said, "I'll just go with it
for a little while."
It was a relationship.
I actually had some
kind of bond with her,
some kind of attachment.
>> You were enjoying the
exchange of, sort of,
flirtation and attraction.
>> I was kind of curious,
far as women.
But growing up, it was nothing
ever that, you know, 'cause--
my parents became pastors.
If you do that, you're going
straight to hell.
Hell is not a place
that I want to go.
I just never really
experimented with it.
>> * How can this happen
* How can this be
>> I'm telling her things
that I would love to hear.
>> * There is no ending
* There is no peace
>> You wish someone would say
those things to you?
>> More.
You know, the lupus kind of
changed our marriage.
He has to work,
6:30 till 10:00,
every day.
>> Wow.
>> And so we don't get that time
that I want, you know, with him.
But this is my life, so I have
to accept it and I have to
live it.
>> Still a lot that needs to be
said and understood, but I feel
like if you guys could sit down
and hear each other,
there might be a chance
at an actual friendship.
>> This episode of Catfish: The
TV Show continues now.
Kara really sees that she made a
bad decision,
but she's lonely,
and she is home all day long,
and I think this is where maybe
you guys can relate.
She talked to you in the way
that she wished someone would
talk to her.
>> Wow.
That's deep.
Use this opportunity to teach.
Share your strength, man.
You know she's dead wrong.
She knows she's dead wrong.
>> There is a real conversation
that you could have that could
be pretty beneficial.
Give her a chance.
>> Okay.
With everything
that happened yesterday,
I was on ten,
ready to go.
To know that he isn't real,
I do kind of feel like a big
piece of me is gone.
He was real to me.
And I'm not gonna lie, I did
want to come in here today
being real negative.
But I said,
"Okay, you know what? No.
I'ma give her a chance to say
whatever it is she has to say."
>> I apologize for
leading you on.
My main thing is, I did not have
malicious intent to come in and
try to hurt you in any kind
of way.
That's not even me.
That's not even the type
of person that I am.
It was something different
about you.
It was some kind of sincerity.
It was just something
different about you,
and it was weird, because, like,
I would be laying in bed on the
side of my husband, and I'm
like, "I didn't get a good
morning text this morning."
I honestly, truly thought this
person genuinely cares about me.
I don't have many friends.
You know, when I made the
Javonni page, it was just like--
Javonni was just Kara.
Just with a different face.
>> Even though you started it,
I'm definitely not gonna put all
the blame on you.
It may sound crazy, but
the text messages we shared--
it meant a lot.
Things that I shared with you,
I told Javonni before I told
my friends.
>> What I want you to know is,
like, all of that, the feelings,
like, that was Kara.
>> Knowing the severity now of
your condition, I would
definitely still check in, like,
"Hey, Kara, you okay?
How's it going?"
Maybe one day becoming friends.
>> I appreciate that, because I
felt like you and I did have
some kind of bond.
>> Give me a hug.
>> Okay.
>> I might even like that.
>> I apologize again.
>> That's okay.
>> All right, how'd it go?
>> Might have a friendship here.
You never know.
>> All right, well, thank you.
>> Good luck with everything.
>> Thank you.
>> Nice meeting you.
>> Nice meeting you as well.
Thank you, guys.
>> Bye.
>> Wow.
>> I can't sit here and be mad
forever about it.
As the conversation went on,
like, we both just started
sharing things and...
the frowns turned into smiles.
>> You learned something from
her, and I'm sure she learned a
lot from you.
[line ringing]
>> Hi.
>> Are you ready?
Here we go,
I got Charlamagne now.
>> How are you?
>> Oh, gosh, I'm great.
It's been really weird
not having Javonni to talk to.
I tried to reach out to Kara
on Facebook.
She never replied.
>> Jeez.
>> Oh, my God.
>> I really hope you find a man
who you love.
>> Thank you, Charlamagne.
>> Good luck with everything.
>> Bye.
[line ringing]
>> Hello.
>> Hey, Kara. How are you?
>> Everything is great.
My health is getting better.
>> That all sounds good.
I'm glad to hear things are
going well for you.
>> Thank you.
>> Miracle says she tried to
inbox you on Facebook.
>> I have not been avoiding her.
I totally did not see that, but
I will go and look.
I have no problem with reaching
out to her.
She can come sit on my couch
if she wants.
>> All right. Bye, guys.
>> Bye.
>> All right.
>> We've never done an episode
like this before where
the catfish wrote in
pretending to be the hopeful.
>> What?
>> The extent that you've gone
to is a little obsessive.
>> Yeah, kinda.
[laughs]
>> Is he gonna leave me alone?
Or am I gonna kind of be
watching behind my back?
>> Oh, my God, I'm gonna
have a heart attack.
Okay.
>> Are you okay?
1659
00:41:04.
Zac Efron here with an important
announcement to make.
Shoot, let me do this one
more time.
Hey, guys, Zac Efron--oh.
Your amazing co-host of Catfish,
Max Joseph, is taking a leave of
absence for six episodes
to direct me in a movie.
Good luck with everything and
have fun with Nev.
Is that all right?
>> Yeah, that was--
>> That was pretty good.
>> So what would you do?
>> All right, let me show you.
>> Give me some tips.
>> Hey, guys.
Nev here.
Don't worry.
While Max is on hiatus,
we've got some special guest
stars who are gonna be standing
in for him for the few episodes
that he's gonna miss.
>> That was good.
>> You got to up your smugness
just a little bit.
>> Yeah.
>> To get it right.
I am really sad I can't
be there.
>> If you're not gonna be on the
show, then I'm gonna have to
take this.
>> You're commandeering
my camera?
>> Sorry, Max.
Say good-bye to
your Catfish fans.
>> See you, Catfish fans.
>> I will be back.
Trust me.
>> You guys get back to work so
you get back as soon as
possible, all right?
>> Good luck.
>> Be safe out there, buddy.
>> Well, an all new episode of
Catfish starts right now.
Hi, I'm Nev,
and I'm jumping into the fourth
season of Catfish.
>> I'm gonna have
a heart attack.
>> But starting off,
things are a little different.
We don't have Max.
>> Action!
>> My co-host is directing
We Are Your Friends,
his first feature film,
starring Zac Efron.
So for five episodes...
>> 'Sup, Nev?
>> Hey, man.
I'll be on the road with
guest partners.
>> Catfish!
>> What's this?
A TV monitor?
[gasps] Whoa!
>> But the mystery...
Foot fetish.
>> [gasps]
>> Don't you follow no angry
black man into their house.
>> Deception...
>> This could be the biggest
family betrayal this show
has ever seen.
>> Forgiveness...
>> There might be hope for you
if you are honest
from the get-go.
>> And shocking twists
are back.
We don't know what the hell's
coming out of that house.
>> What the [bleep]?
>> This is Catfish: The TV Show.
>> All right.
Ready to give it a shot?
>> So, going to A?
>> Well, I kind of have to start
with the singles here, so let me
just actually frame that up.
>> Hey, everybody.
This week, we have an all new
special co-host.
>> Sign my petition, please.
We want people to be black.
>> You know him from the radio.
You've seen him on TV.
Here he is: Charlamagne.
>> Sup, Nev?
>> Hey, man.
>> Thank you for
having me, man.
I already realize this show is
real because there's no hair
and makeup people.
>> You've been tweeting about
the show as long as the show's
been on.
>> You can't stage some of those
moments that these people are
having, you know?
>> Yeah.
>> Some episodes I see, and the
guy will be real mad, like, "How
could you do this to me?"
Yadda yadda yadda--I'm like,
"Dawg, who cares?
Have sex with her."
You came this far.
You got in a plane.
>> Release the tension.
>> Absolutely.
>> All right.
I got to teach you
one important thing.
This is Max's famous mini cam.
>> Wow.
>> Just roll on everything.
>> Okay.
>> And once you're ready, let me
know and we'll get into this.
>> Let's do it.
>> All right, so it says,
"Dear Nev and Max,"
so I'm gonna edit it on the fly.
So "Dear Nev and Charlamagne..."
>> Okay.
>> "Hey, guys.
How are you?"
>> I'm fine.
>> Okay, good.
"My name is Miracle
and I'm 26 years old and live
in Milwaukee."
>> I love Milwaukee.
>> You've been to Milwaukee?
>> Yeah, I've been there a
couple weeks ago, actually.
>> "I'm emailing you because I
have met the man of my dreams
and his name is Javonni."
>> * No, I won't lose hope *
* No, I won't lose sight *
>> "He randomly sent me a friend
request on Instagram back in
January and told me that I
should text him sometime."
>> That means he likes what he
saw on her Instagram.
>> "Javonni seemed to be a
super cool go-getter, not to
mention that he was the most
amazingly handsome man that I
had met in years."
>> * Heaven is a place
* That I can't find *
>> "He started telling me about
how he was an up-and-coming
music producer..."
That's always a red flag.
"Who had recently moved from
Milwaukee to Atlanta."
People always think, "Well, if
I'm a music producer, I can
always use the excuse, like,
'Oh, I'm in the studio.'"
Like, we see that all the time.
>> True.
"Right now, my feelings for
Javonni are through the roof.
He restored my heart and soul
at the same time..."
>> Hmm.
>> "And just took away all the
pain, hurt, and sorrow that I
had once felt towards all men.
However, I feel like we're
drifting apart.
I would ask him to video chat
with me, and he would always say
that he couldn't because he
didn't remember any of
his logins for the website."
That's...
>> Some B.S.
>> This is some B.S.
>> Yeah.
"When he still lived in
Milwaukee, I would often ask him
when we would be able to meet,
and he would always tell me
'Very soon,'
but it has never happened.
If he is who he says he is,
then he is, without a doubt,
my ideal man, husband, life
partner, and I would like to see
where this could
potentially go."
I mean, that's deep for an
online relationship.
>> I agree.
That's a Drake single waiting to
happen right there.
>> "I am begging for you guys
to help to uncover a long
overdue love that needs to be
brought together."
>> If you got a chick that you
can potentially smash
close to you,
and you don't go smash it,
something's wrong.
Something's wrong.
You the man!
>> Let's get this girl on the
old video chateroo.
>> Let's do it.
>> Hi.
>> Hi!
Hey, how you doing?
Hi, Charla--
>> You know this guy?
>> Yeah, oh, my God.
We met a few weeks ago here.
>> You met her?
>> Oh, at the club!
She had a T-shirt on of my face.
Now, see, this is gonna seem
so staged.
>> Whoa.
>> Hold on, I got it on
my Instagram.
>> Are you guys messing with me?
>> Hold up, hold up.
>> No, this is so real.
>> Hold on.
>> Are you Javonni?
>> No, I'm not Javonni.
>> You said you
were in Milwaukee
recently for a gig or something.
>> I was in Milwaukee.
This one right here.
>> What?
>> Hold on,
let me get out my camera.
>> This is crazy.
>> This is insane.
>> And now she's requesting
our help with an
Instagram relationship.
>> Listen, I totally believe in
the universe, man.
This is not a coincidence.
>> Wow.
Okay, so we just
read your email.
This guy has, like, a real
emotional hold on you.
>> A huge one.
It was like he knew the right
things to say at the right time.
"Oh, you're beautiful."
The good morning text messages,
the good night.
He will often ask
is my daughter okay.
He just made it aware that he
was there for me no matter what.
>> Has he ever, like, sent you
music that he produced?
>> No.
>> That's a little weird.
If he is an up-and-coming...
>> It is, but--
>> music producer,
you'd think he would want to
share some of that music
with you.
>> Right.
>> Have you spoken on the phone?
>> Yes.
Three times.
He sounds like he's the person
that I've been seeing
everywhere, you know, in
pictures and everything.
Nothing too crazy, like he's a
woman or anything.
>> Here's a guy who "wants to be
there for you," and yet can't
take you out for dinner.
>> Get dinner?
He not trying to smash?
You a cute girl, Miracle.
>> If you really think that
meeting this guy is something
that can greatly affect your
life, I would like to try and
make that happen.
>> Miracle needs a miracle.
>> Absolutely.
>> We will kind of put our stuff
together and catch the next
flight to Milwaukee.
>> Oh, my God, I can't wait to
see you guys.
>> Bye, Miracle.
>> Bye.
>> What are the chances
of that, Nev?
It's amazing how the universe
works, yo.
>> Yeah, you guys were meant to
meet, and to obviously
meet again.
>> Yeah.
>> Let's get our stuff together.
>> This is the fun part.
Here we go, Nev!
Crazy how somebody like Miracle
can fall for this.
She knows it's probably B.S.
>> She kind of knows.
>> But she just wants to know.
Hope dealers, man.
He's selling hope.
>> This is your travel swag?
>> T-shirt from Target.
$9.99.
I need to catch
a big-ass catfish.
I can't believe y'all
couldn't pay for a
straight-through flight.
This catfish [bleep] is too
real, man.
Y'all keeping it way too real.
Or cheap, one of the two.
>> Miracle's so convinced that
Javonni is this amazing, loving
person, and we don't know if he
is the real deal or not.
This girl's got a story.
We got to make her feel
comfortable to tell us.
>> Do something
that men never do,
actually listen to the female.
>> That's right.
>> Okay, I got you.
>> All right, let's do this.
>> Nev, ladies and gentlemen.
>> Look at you.
You're a natural.
Hey, there she is.
>> Hi. How are you?
>> Hello.
>> Hi, Charlamagne.
>> You know Charlamagne.
>> Miracle!
>> Wow, this place is decorated.
>> Thank you.
This is Rikai.
This is our wall.
>> What a smile.
Oh, my God.
>> This is Rikai's room.
>> What?
>> Rikai out here ballin'.
First of all, where the hell you
find all these black Barbies?
>> I want her to feel like if
Barbie can be president,
astronaut, doctor, then she
can too.
>> I didn't know Barbie was that
racially diverse.
>> Before we move too fast,
I'd like to know a little bit
more just sort of about you and
your background.
>> Well, of course.
I guess you should know why my
name is Miracle.
My mom, she was on drugs,
and she didn't know that she
was pregnant until
the day she had me.
She thought she had a tumor.
>> Whoa.
>> So...
>> For nine months?
>> Mm-hmm.
>> Wow.
>> What drugs
was your mom using primarily?
>> Crack cocaine.
>> Crack cocaine.
>> Me and my sisters,
we were exchanges.
>> What does that mean?
>> Yeah.
>> She was on drugs.
She didn't have the money.
She had a vagina,
they had, you know...
So if I have sex with you,
can I have, you know...
>> Wow.
>> And then, of course, my dad.
>> Where's he?
>> I have no idea who he is.
She doesn't even know, so...
>> Is she still struggling?
>> Mm-hmm.
It's not as bad,
but she's still on.
She'll say, "No, I'm not."
We know you are.
We're not crazy.
>> You have every reason
to be a loser.
>> Right.
>> Like, you could have just
accepted it and been like, "You
know what, eff life.
I'm gonna be a failure,
make excuses."
>> I mean, I did at one point,
but then I got pregnant.
Then I had her and was like,
"Wow, okay, I have this little
person following me around now.
You know, she's gonna
look up to me.
Like, I'm somebody's mother."
So she's the only reason.
>> Explain to me how Javonni
got you wrapped up in
this relationship.
>> It may sound crazy.
Like, the things he was saying,
I hadn't heard in a while.
>> Then what happens?
>> He just kind of, like,
dropped the random
bombshell on me.
He was telling me
that he had a meeting,
a real big meeting in Atlanta.
He wanted me to be the first
person to know.
He's saying, "T.I. signed me to
Grand Hustle."
He said, "I'm gonna have to move
to Atlanta."
He was all over the place.
He kept saying his sister had
lupus, so he was, like, back and
forth from there to here.
Out of nowhere,
I get a text message.
"Who is this?
Don't text Javonni's
phone anymore.
He doesn't need you, you're a
groupie, you just want him for
his money and who he is."
>> He said, "Oh, my God,
that's my ex, she's crazy."
>> Do you think that all the
stuff that he was telling you
may not be true?
>> I mean, I know it's some sick
people out here, but I don't
think that a person would lie
about their sister having lupus.
>> You don't watch Catfish.
>> I absolutely do.
>> Oh.
>> I don't think he would lie
about that, no.
T.I., Grand Hustle?
>> All right, well, I got to see
this guy.
>> I need to see this guy too.
>> All right, so let me
get this going.
>> I'm watching Nev in action.
I feel like I'm watching
LeBron play.
>> That is Javonni.
>> Okay.
I have to say, he looks much
more like a regular guy than I
thought he would.
>> He looks attainable.
>> I want to see your messages.
>> His text messages?
>> I would live to see this B.S.
that he's feeding you.
>> Yeah, so let's just see what
he says to you.
>> You want to role play?
Want me to be Javonni?
>> Sure.
>> "Yeah, I'm that type of
[bleep] when I find something
I like."
>> You found something you like?
>> "I believe I have."
>> I think I have.
>> "Really?
That's what it dew"--
D-E-W.
>> I told my friends I think I'm
being catfished.
>> "Aw, yeah, that's
some bull[bleep].
Laugh out loud.
I need to be asking you that.
Wait, are you a catfish?
You seem to be everything I look
for in a woman.
I think I need a Miracle
in my life."
This is amazing.
He's good.
Now I'm starting to see
he's kind of good.
>> He's giving me attention.
I don't really feel like I've
met anyone worthy enough for me
to say I'm ready to settle down.
Javonni just makes me feel
more wanted.
At the end of the day,
I feel like I deserve to be
happy just like everybody else.
Like, my past should not
determine my future.
I can honestly say everything
that he's said about the Grand
Hustle, the producing,
everything, I don't really care
about that stuff.
He's a great guy.
If it's not him,
I just want to know why.
>> It means being ready for
the truth.
>> I'm ready--it's long overdue.
>> All right.
We're gonna get out of here.
Do some research.
We'll be in touch.
>> Bye, Charlamagne.
>> All right, Miracle.
>> See you guys later.
>> What do you think about all
this, man?
>> I ain't gonna front, man.
It's a lot.
Nobody ever paid her attention.
She probably never felt like
somebody really cared.
I want to hug my daughter and,
like, "Oh, you are loved."
This guy is not gonna be nothing
that she thinks he's
going to be.
Lord have mercy.
>> So you do this at a cafe?
>> That's all I need.
>> You are the cheapest man
in America.
You stay in three-star hotels...
>> Free internet.
>> You drive minivans,
and you mooch people's
free wireless?
>> So basically what we're
dealing with--
we've got a young lady, she's
26, nine-year-old daughter.
Some guy hits her up on
Instagram, gives Miracle his
number, they start texting,
and here we are a year later.
We've got to figure out who this
Javonni guy is,
if he's the guy in the pictures.
I mean, right now we really
don't know if anything he's
telling her is true.
>> So what are we waiting on to
work your magic?
This is all you use,
isa computer?
You don't have, like, no,
like, no Batman utility belt?
>> We have no special tools.
I got my phone and a laptop
and free wi-fi.
>> Wow.
>> Let's start with Javonni's
phone number.
Let's throw it in Spokeo.
It's searching.
Oh, we got male.
It says address unknown.
So not a lot coming through on
the phone number, unfortunately.
>> You're really looking
for this guy.
I really thought that this was
some type of plant, like--
>> You thought somehow we
wouldn't have to actually figure
it out and find him?
>> Yeah.
I thought he was already
in on the act.
>> No, man.
>> This is a real show.
You're not doing this just
'cause I'm here, right?
>> Nope.
Let's go through his photos, and
then we'll do an image search.
Here's the first one.
No direct match.
No hits.
>> This guy doesn't exist, man.
>> Ahh!
>> So what do you do
when you strike out?
>> You know what I think
could help?
>> What?
>> A little silver fox infusion.
>> Okay.
>> I usually do this with Max.
>> So you're admitting right now
that Max is the brains of
this operation, basically.
>> I think Max has
a lot to offer.
Let's give him a call.
Oh, connecting.
Hey!
>> Hey, guys.
>> What's going on?
>> Really?
That's a set, Max?
>> So while you're on the beach,
I'm sitting here with
Charlamagne trying to track down
Javonni Santos.
Guess what--
he's a music producer.
>> [laughs]
>> Right.
We need a little inspiration.
What are, like, all those things
that we always remember after--
>> PeopleSmart?
>> Let's write that down.
>> Hey, come on!
I'm a little rusty.
>> Sorry for bothering you,
Mr. Max.
>> Later, buddy.
>> Thank you, sir.
>> Here's Javonni's cell phone.
Let's check and see if that
shows up on PeopleSmart.
Come on, now.
Come on, give us something.
>> We got the luck of the silver
fox on our side.
We should be okay.
Rickie Witherspoon!
It's him!
He's 27!
Born April 1987.
You did it, Nev!
You got him!
>> This could be the break.
>> Max did it.
>> Current address.
Milwaukee, so that's good.
So now let's look up Rickie.
We got a Twitter profile.
That looks like it could be
our guy.
>> That's catfish.
>> Look, he's got,
like, an album.
Let's hear it.
[rap music]
*
Oh, here we go.
Oh, boy.
We got a music video
with him in it.
>> These [bleep] here.
You know who I am,
the director.
Mr. Director.
>> Oh.
That's him.
>> Just finishing up, you know,
our little video shoot
that I leaped one time.
>> I think we play Miracle that
video, and we're just like, "is
this the voice," and she says
yes, then we know it's this guy.
>> You did it again, man.
This is amazing to watch.
>> Basically we've got a guy
who's a less-successful-than-he-
makes-himself-out-to-be music
producer who has been pretending
to be this very handsome guy,
but the good news is that he
is a guy, he is making music,
and he does live in Milwaukee.
I think, if he is really the
sweet guy that he presents
himself as with Miracle, like,
maybe there's a chance.
>> Absolutely.
You got him.
>> We've got some real
information to go back to her
with tomorrow.
Let's get out of here.
>> To Catch a Catfish continues.
>> Yesterday, we may have found
our guy, Rickie.
But here's something else
that we can do
to prove to her that she's not
talking to Javonni.
I was thinking, you've got a
pretty big social
media following.
>> Mm-hmm.
>> Nobody knows that you're
working on the show right now.
>> Mm-hmm.
>> So if you posted a picture of
this guy, Javonni, and just sort
of said, like, "Hey--"
>> "I'm looking for this
producer.
I heard he makes hot beats."
>> Yeah, exactly.
>> Now we talking.
So I'm like the sexy decoy.
Bam!
I posted on Instagram and
Twitter and Facebook.
I'ma speak his language.
"Looking for this guy.
Heard he got them beats
and [bleep]."
>> Bam.
Let's see how long it takes.
Has anyone
hit you back about Javonni?
>> Let me see.
Somebody said,
"Isn't that eyeyou--"
that's eyeyouugly!
We got him!
>> Hold on, hold on.
>> He's got 7,000 followers.
Oh, video.
>> Yeah, man, I've
been up all night.
I didn't get no
sleep last night.
>> We got him.
>> All right.
>> Ah, poor Miracle.
>> Let's message this guy.
"It's Nev from Catfish.
Any chance we can chat quickly?
Let me know."
I think we got everything we
need now to totally prove that
she's not talking to this guy.
The guy she is talking to is
potentially Rickie.
We should go over to Miracle's,
show her everything that we
found, because we might say
Rickie Witherspoon to her and
she might say, like,
"Oh, my God, I know Rickie."
>> Yeah.
>> Who knows what could happen?
>> Yeah.
>> All right.
Let's load out.
Rickie Witherspoon.
We're coming for you.
>> Espresso bar.
Nev, let's get a triple shot
of espresso and lose
our [bleep] minds.
>> All right.
How are you feeling right now?
>> Nervous.
>> It's very important to
remember right now that you may
not control all the events that
happen to you, but you can
decide whether or not to be
reduced by them.
>> Thanks, Charlamagne.
>> First thing's first.
We did a phone search,
and that gave us a hit.
It came up registered to a guy
named Rickie.
Do you have any idea
who that guy is?
>> No, but his address--
that's right down the street
from where I live.
>> This address is
very close to you.
>> On a good day,
in walking distance.
>> So we thought, "Okay, let's
look up Rickie Witherspoon,"
and it did bring us to
this Twitter account.
This doesn't ring any bells?
Well, we were scrolling through
tweets and we came across
this video.
>> You know who I am,
the director.
Mr. Director.
Just finishing up, you know,
our little video shoot.
>> Having spoken to Javonni on
the phone,
does that guy's voice...
>> No.
>> Sound anything like
Javonni's to you?
>> Not at all.
>> I don't think she wants it to
be his voice.
>> So this morning, we decided,
let's do something we've never
done before.
We downloaded a picture of
Javonni and sort of asked
the internet, "Does anybody know
who this guy is?"
And it brought us to an
Instagram account.
"Eyeyouugly."
The pictures are the same guy.
We started to get to pictures
that include this girl.
>> Yeah, that sucks.
Bad.
>> I believe that you're so real
that it's easy for you to
believe in other people.
That's why it was easy for you
to believe that this guy was
Javonni Santos, or whatever
his name was.
>> Like, someone should tell him
that somebody's using him
like that.
Like, that sucks.
>> Actually, we reached
out to him.
I sent him an Instagram message.
I don't know if he wrote back,
but we should check.
Okay, he said, "Sure, I'm free.
We can FaceTime."
So do you want to talk
to this guy?
>> Yeah.
>> Hey, what's up?
>> Hey, what's going on?
>> Thanks for getting back
to me.
Appreciate it.
What should I call you?
>> You can call me Jonathan
or JC.
>> Okay, so your name is
Jonathan, though.
>> Right.
>> Have you ever seen my
show, Catfish?
>> I have.
>> Okay.
So we're helping a young lady
who has been talking to someone
who looks a lot like you.
>> I'm so sorry.
>> If you don't mind just
saying hello, that might be a
nice thing.
>> Hi.
>> Hi, baby.
>> Hey.
>> How are you?
>> It sounds like
the text messages.
I'm fine.
I don't know, this is just
really weird.
It's--I don't know.
>> Do you have any history or
friends in Milwaukee?
>> Not at all.
I don't know anybody
from Milwaukee.
>> You okay?
>> Who does that
to somebody?
I just kind of feel like
my heart has been broken.
Even if it was just through text
messages, those messages meant a
lot to me.
>> * I know you're gonna *
* Wait for me
* Until I won't be there *
>> What do we do next?
>> I want to know
who it is.
>> You do?
>> Absolutely.
>> I could feel her hurt.
It was genuine.
Like, she knows
her fantasy is gone.
>> I think at this point we just
have to reach out to Javonni
and say, "Look, we know you're
not the guy in the pictures,"
and see if he wants
to come clean.
>> Let's go.
[line ringing]
>> Yes, hello, is this Javonni?
>> Okay, cool.
Hey, this is Nev.
Have you seen or are you at
least familiar with the TV show
that I make called Catfish?
>> Great.
As you, I'm sure, already know,
Miracle, the young lady that
you've been talking to, would
very much like to meet you.
>> Okay, so are you
in Milwaukee?
>> We were curious--do you also
ever go by Rickie?
Is that also your name, or...
>> So--
[phone beeps]
>> I mean, look, this is not so
different than some of the
people we've met before.
They want to tell the truth,
they want to come clean, like he
said, "I'm ready to have this be
over," or what did he say?
Something like that.
>> I don't like when people
say things like that.
>> I don't either.
>> "Over" sounds final.
>> Let me go get my stuff,
and I'll meet you in the lobby.
>> Word.
>> All right, cool.
>> Let's do it.
>> Javonni texted me a few
minutes ago with an address,
and guess what.
It's the same address that comes
up with the phone number
with Rickie.
To me it's--
>> It's a wrap.
You got him.
>> We got him.
[knocking on door]
Oh, there she is.
>> Hi.
>> Hi.
>> So where are we going?
>> We're going to that address
that we found for Rickie.
It turns out that that's where
he is.
>> Ugh, this is sick.
We live in the same city.
Like, do you know me?
>> Right.
>> Did somebody put you
up to this?
I just feel real dumb.
I just never thought it could
happen to me.
>> Do you feel like he owes
you anything?
>> I just want to know why.
>> It's gonna be on this side.
There it is.
I'll go knock,
and I'll bring him out, okay?
>> Okay.
>> I'm not sure which door
to knock on.
[knocking on door]
>> Oh, hell no.
>> Hey. How you doing?
>> Hey. How's it going?
Pretty good.
>> I'm Nev.
>> Nice to meet you, Nev.
>> I'm gonna guess your
name is Rickie...
aka Javonni.
>> This is a whole lot.
It's a whole lot.
>> Right.
>> But the best thing
you could do is, you know,
follow me inside.
>> Actually what I'd like to do
is introduce you to Miracle.
>> Yeah, I'll do that for you.
>> So let's do that.
>> I'll do that for you.
I mean...
>> You don't want to come
down here?
>> I'd rather have her come up
this way.
>> Why is that?
>> Like I said, you definitely
need to follow me inside.
I got some...
It's hard to explain right now.
Yeah, it's hard to explain.
>> Why don't you just walk down
here with me?
Wait, hold up, hold up.
Hold up.
Where are you going, man?
>> Nev, don't you follow no
angry black man into
their house.
>> I guess he went
back upstairs.
>> I can understand he feels
like we're putting him
in the hot seat.
He really needs us to go inside.
I'm willing to go in.
>> It's fine.
Charlamagne, you have to
come too.
>> Oh, Lord, MTV ain't paying me
enough for all of this, bro.
>> Okay, we are in the house.
>> Do you know me
from somewhere?
Like, have you seen me?
>> No.
>> So why me?
>> You know, I...
It's tough, man.
It's hard.
>> [sighs]
>> Hey.
Let's just talk for a second.
She's just feeling a lot of
anger and humiliation.
>> I get that.
I get that.
>> So I think the best thing you
can do is to just tell her and
us what's going on with you.
Whatever it is.
>> Oh, God.
>> Give me a sec.
>> Think about it.
No pressure.
He's just gonna take a second.
I'd like to at least
give him an opportunity
to just explain himself.
>> Oh, my God.
>> All right.
>> Hi.
>> Hello. How are you?
>> Hi.
>> I'm Nev.
>> I'm Kara.
>> Kara.
>> Yes.
>> Hi.
>> Well...
I'm Javonni.
>> Meaning you are the person
with whom Miracle has
been texting?
>> Yes.
>> Which would mean that you're
the guy on the phone
that she spoke to?
>> Yes.
>> So together,
you guys created this--
>> Not together.
>> No.
>> I did it on my own.
When Miracle wanted to speak
with a guy, I didn't know
who else to turn to...
but my husband.
I made a page, 'cause a friend
of mine, her boyfriend was
cheating on her, and the girl
that he was cheating with, I was
trying to get her to give me all
of her information.
So of course, when I made the
page, I'm just sending out
friend requests to everyone.
>> So you made the Javonni
Santos page to reach out to a
girl that your friend's
boyfriend was messing
around with?
>> Yes.
>> Explain how we ended up here
right now.
'Cause there's a big--
>> There is a big gap.
Well, I don't work, because I
have lupus.
Most of the time, I'm just kind
of laying around,
kind of in bed not feeling good,
so when she started texting, it
was like, "Oh," not thinking
that it would have went
this far.
Not even thinking that it would
have lasted more than
a week or two.
>> This is some real
Catfish [bleep].
>> How do you let your wife do
this, though?
Why didn't you check
your wife, bro?
>> Like, why didn't you take the
phone and say, "Miracle, it's my
wife, she playin'"?
>> She's here majority
of the time.
I'm usually not here.
I'm working.
That's what I do, you know?
So I'm normally gone,
so I didn't realize how deep it
had gotten.
Like, girl, you need
to stop with that.
I didn't realize that it went
over what she originally planned
for it to be.
>> Once I get to know Miracle,
like, I thought she was a really
sweet girl.
>> Are your feelings--
>> Genuine. They're genuine.
Yes.
Everything through our text
messages, that was all me.
>> But to be clear, you
expressed, at least from the
little bit that was made
apparent to us, like,
romantic feelings.
>> Um, some of it was pretend
and some of it was real.
But far as, like, wanting a
relationship with her, no, I
don't want to take it that far.
>> I mean, just from what I got,
it was a relationship.
>> No, it wasn't.
>> That, you know, couldn't be
put to rest, you know?
Like, you know, a month goes
past, you're still conversating?
Why are you still--
you're still--
this is what's still going on?
>> This is some B.S. right now.
You did make me feel like that
person was a real person.
Now we're on national television
looking crazy as hell.
I got friends, I got family,
I have a daughter.
I have a job, I have a career,
I work for the damn state.
I'm sitting over here looking
dumb as hell because of you.
>> I do apologize that you got
wrapped up, but at the same
time, it's not like, "You, you,
you, you, you."
It's not that.
It's us.
We did it together.
We was in this together.
We was--I wasn't texting myself.
You're trying to blame
the victim.
>> Mind you, several times,
I did try to stop.
>> Every time you tried, you
were right back trying to keep
me to stay there, saying all of
this weird stuff.
Let's just be real.
Do not sit there and say, like,
you was just sitting here like,
"I'm done, I'm done, I'm done,"
and I'm just sitting there like
some dumb-ass female, and I'm
still there.
>> Come on, man, let's be real
about the [bleep] thing.
>> I tried more than once.
>> Is it lupus or is she psycho?
Which one?
You're a sick individual.
>> I am a [bleep]
sick individual,
I am a sick individual.
>> I know you are.
>> I have lupus, and I live with
it every [bleep] day.
>> Your mind, your mind.
>> You're talking about sick--
my mind is good,
my mind is good.
>> Something's wrong with you.
[both speaking at once]
>> I apologize.
I said I'm sorry,
and now what the [bleep]
do you want me to do?
Like, get on my knees and beg?
I'm not gonna do that.
>> Ladies, ladies, ladies.
>> Calm down, okay? Calm down.
>> I'm beyond pissed.
>> We ain't talking.
I ain't talking to her no more.
We ain't talking.
>> Maybe now is the appropriate
time to--
>> Absolutely.
>> You see me?
Don't speak me.
>> Trust me, there ain't no
reason to.
Sweetie, you basic.
>> Do you see
your outfit, though?
And I'm basic?
Is that a fishnet?
>> Let's go. Let's go.
>> There's the door.
>> We can leave.
'Cause this [bleep]'s done.
>> Okay.
>> All right, bro.
Peace, man.
>> Take it easy.
>> Have a good day.
>> You too, now.
>> They's some
sick-ass individuals.
They both some [bleep] bums
if you ask me.
>> You should holler at your
wife, though, man.
Don't let her do that
again to somebody.
>> You know, the bottom line is
you don't know what's, you know,
what's going on behind the
scenes, is basically
what I'm trying to say.
>> Y'all be cool, man.
>> Get me the hell out of here.
>> It is.
>> That's it. It's over with.
>> It is.
>> You know?
>> She didn't have to
call you basic.
>> She own a fishnet top.
I'm basic?
Her haircut's $6.99.
>> I'm telling you, a pack.
>> It was on sale.
Buy one, get one free.
>> But you basic, though.
>> I'm basic.
>> I never would have considered
that a woman who was catfishing
you would have her
husband involved.
>> Oh, my goodness.
[knocking on door]
>> Yo.
>> Hey, man.
>> 'Sup, bro?
>> I think there's a lot more to
Kara's story than
we got yesterday.
I just don't want to leave
tension and negativity.
>> Make Miracle understand
Kara better.
You're a good guy, man.
You got a great heart.
>> I think my best chance at
sort of breaking down Kara
and getting her to really open
up to me would be to just talk
to her solo,
and then meet back up with you
and Miracle, fill you guys in,
so that she can sit down with
Kara and they can relate
to each other.
>> Hi.
>> Hello.
>> How you doing?
>> How are you? I'm good.
>> Good to see you.
I'd love to know what you
thought was gonna happen
yesterday when you walked out
from that hallway, 'cause you
caught us all pretty off-guard.
>> When I came out,
I was so calm,
and then, when I got upset
is she said, "It must be the
lupus that's messing with your
mind, that's making you
act psycho."
You don't know what
I've been through.
You don't know what life is like
when I'm stuck in my bed,
that my husband has to carry me
to the bathroom, help me take
down my clothes, sit me on the
toilet, help me wipe, put me
back in the bed.
Like, you don't know that life.
Lupus is an autoimmune disorder,
and it affects everything.
So there's no sun,
no sun exposure.
I have to wait until the sun
goes down before I can
go outside.
>> Really?
>> I feel bad for my children,
because they want to go out and
they want to play, they want to
enjoy things, but I'm not
able to.
Sometimes, like, I feel like
I'm suffocating.
>> The situation you're in now
leaves you with a lot of indoor
time on your hands.
Obviously, you fill some of that
time with social media.
>> Yes. Yes.
>> You were using the Instagram
profile to follow and learn
about this other girl.
>> Right. Right.
>> In an effort to make it seem
legit, you friended a bunch
of people.
>> Just random people.
And she was the only one
that responded.
I said, "I'll just go with it
for a little while."
It was a relationship.
I actually had some
kind of bond with her,
some kind of attachment.
>> You were enjoying the
exchange of, sort of,
flirtation and attraction.
>> I was kind of curious,
far as women.
But growing up, it was nothing
ever that, you know, 'cause--
my parents became pastors.
If you do that, you're going
straight to hell.
Hell is not a place
that I want to go.
I just never really
experimented with it.
>> * How can this happen
* How can this be
>> I'm telling her things
that I would love to hear.
>> * There is no ending
* There is no peace
>> You wish someone would say
those things to you?
>> More.
You know, the lupus kind of
changed our marriage.
He has to work,
6:30 till 10:00,
every day.
>> Wow.
>> And so we don't get that time
that I want, you know, with him.
But this is my life, so I have
to accept it and I have to
live it.
>> Still a lot that needs to be
said and understood, but I feel
like if you guys could sit down
and hear each other,
there might be a chance
at an actual friendship.
>> This episode of Catfish: The
TV Show continues now.
Kara really sees that she made a
bad decision,
but she's lonely,
and she is home all day long,
and I think this is where maybe
you guys can relate.
She talked to you in the way
that she wished someone would
talk to her.
>> Wow.
That's deep.
Use this opportunity to teach.
Share your strength, man.
You know she's dead wrong.
She knows she's dead wrong.
>> There is a real conversation
that you could have that could
be pretty beneficial.
Give her a chance.
>> Okay.
With everything
that happened yesterday,
I was on ten,
ready to go.
To know that he isn't real,
I do kind of feel like a big
piece of me is gone.
He was real to me.
And I'm not gonna lie, I did
want to come in here today
being real negative.
But I said,
"Okay, you know what? No.
I'ma give her a chance to say
whatever it is she has to say."
>> I apologize for
leading you on.
My main thing is, I did not have
malicious intent to come in and
try to hurt you in any kind
of way.
That's not even me.
That's not even the type
of person that I am.
It was something different
about you.
It was some kind of sincerity.
It was just something
different about you,
and it was weird, because, like,
I would be laying in bed on the
side of my husband, and I'm
like, "I didn't get a good
morning text this morning."
I honestly, truly thought this
person genuinely cares about me.
I don't have many friends.
You know, when I made the
Javonni page, it was just like--
Javonni was just Kara.
Just with a different face.
>> Even though you started it,
I'm definitely not gonna put all
the blame on you.
It may sound crazy, but
the text messages we shared--
it meant a lot.
Things that I shared with you,
I told Javonni before I told
my friends.
>> What I want you to know is,
like, all of that, the feelings,
like, that was Kara.
>> Knowing the severity now of
your condition, I would
definitely still check in, like,
"Hey, Kara, you okay?
How's it going?"
Maybe one day becoming friends.
>> I appreciate that, because I
felt like you and I did have
some kind of bond.
>> Give me a hug.
>> Okay.
>> I might even like that.
>> I apologize again.
>> That's okay.
>> All right, how'd it go?
>> Might have a friendship here.
You never know.
>> All right, well, thank you.
>> Good luck with everything.
>> Thank you.
>> Nice meeting you.
>> Nice meeting you as well.
Thank you, guys.
>> Bye.
>> Wow.
>> I can't sit here and be mad
forever about it.
As the conversation went on,
like, we both just started
sharing things and...
the frowns turned into smiles.
>> You learned something from
her, and I'm sure she learned a
lot from you.
[line ringing]
>> Hi.
>> Are you ready?
Here we go,
I got Charlamagne now.
>> How are you?
>> Oh, gosh, I'm great.
It's been really weird
not having Javonni to talk to.
I tried to reach out to Kara
on Facebook.
She never replied.
>> Jeez.
>> Oh, my God.
>> I really hope you find a man
who you love.
>> Thank you, Charlamagne.
>> Good luck with everything.
>> Bye.
[line ringing]
>> Hello.
>> Hey, Kara. How are you?
>> Everything is great.
My health is getting better.
>> That all sounds good.
I'm glad to hear things are
going well for you.
>> Thank you.
>> Miracle says she tried to
inbox you on Facebook.
>> I have not been avoiding her.
I totally did not see that, but
I will go and look.
I have no problem with reaching
out to her.
She can come sit on my couch
if she wants.
>> All right. Bye, guys.
>> Bye.
>> All right.
>> We've never done an episode
like this before where
the catfish wrote in
pretending to be the hopeful.
>> What?
>> The extent that you've gone
to is a little obsessive.
>> Yeah, kinda.
[laughs]
>> Is he gonna leave me alone?
Or am I gonna kind of be
watching behind my back?
>> Oh, my God, I'm gonna
have a heart attack.
Okay.
>> Are you okay?
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