Catfish: The TV Show (2012–…): Season 4, Episode 1 - Miracle and Javonni - full transcript

Single mom Miracle falls for Javonni, a dreamy-eyed Instagram user.

>> Hey, Catfish fans.

Zac Efron here with an important

announcement to make.

Shoot, let me do this one

more time.

Hey, guys, Zac Efron--oh.

Your amazing co-host of Catfish,

Max Joseph, is taking a leave of

absence for six episodes

to direct me in a movie.

Good luck with everything and



have fun with Nev.

Is that all right?

>> Yeah, that was--

>> That was pretty good.

>> So what would you do?

>> All right, let me show you.

>> Give me some tips.

>> Hey, guys.

Nev here.

Don't worry.

While Max is on hiatus,

we've got some special guest

stars who are gonna be standing

in for him for the few episodes



that he's gonna miss.

>> That was good.

>> You got to up your smugness

just a little bit.

>> Yeah.

>> To get it right.

I am really sad I can't

be there.

>> If you're not gonna be on the

show, then I'm gonna have to

take this.

>> You're commandeering

my camera?

>> Sorry, Max.

Say good-bye to

your Catfish fans.

>> See you, Catfish fans.

>> I will be back.

Trust me.

>> You guys get back to work so

you get back as soon as

possible, all right?

>> Good luck.

>> Be safe out there, buddy.

>> Well, an all new episode of

Catfish starts right now.

Hi, I'm Nev,

and I'm jumping into the fourth

season of Catfish.

>> I'm gonna have

a heart attack.

>> But starting off,

things are a little different.

We don't have Max.

>> Action!

>> My co-host is directing

We Are Your Friends,

his first feature film,

starring Zac Efron.

So for five episodes...

>> 'Sup, Nev?

>> Hey, man.

I'll be on the road with

guest partners.

>> Catfish!

>> What's this?

A TV monitor?

[gasps] Whoa!

>> But the mystery...

Foot fetish.

>> [gasps]

>> Don't you follow no angry

black man into their house.

>> Deception...

>> This could be the biggest

family betrayal this show

has ever seen.

>> Forgiveness...

>> There might be hope for you

if you are honest

from the get-go.

>> And shocking twists

are back.

We don't know what the hell's

coming out of that house.

>> What the [bleep]?

>> This is Catfish: The TV Show.

>> All right.

Ready to give it a shot?

>> So, going to A?

>> Well, I kind of have to start

with the singles here, so let me

just actually frame that up.

>> Hey, everybody.

This week, we have an all new

special co-host.

>> Sign my petition, please.

We want people to be black.

>> You know him from the radio.

You've seen him on TV.

Here he is: Charlamagne.

>> Sup, Nev?

>> Hey, man.

>> Thank you for

having me, man.

I already realize this show is

real because there's no hair

and makeup people.

>> You've been tweeting about

the show as long as the show's

been on.

>> You can't stage some of those

moments that these people are

having, you know?

>> Yeah.

>> Some episodes I see, and the

guy will be real mad, like, "How

could you do this to me?"

Yadda yadda yadda--I'm like,

"Dawg, who cares?

Have sex with her."

You came this far.

You got in a plane.

>> Release the tension.

>> Absolutely.

>> All right.

I got to teach you

one important thing.

This is Max's famous mini cam.

>> Wow.

>> Just roll on everything.

>> Okay.

>> And once you're ready, let me

know and we'll get into this.

>> Let's do it.

>> All right, so it says,

"Dear Nev and Max,"

so I'm gonna edit it on the fly.

So "Dear Nev and Charlamagne..."

>> Okay.

>> "Hey, guys.

How are you?"

>> I'm fine.

>> Okay, good.

"My name is Miracle

and I'm 26 years old and live

in Milwaukee."

>> I love Milwaukee.

>> You've been to Milwaukee?

>> Yeah, I've been there a

couple weeks ago, actually.

>> "I'm emailing you because I

have met the man of my dreams

and his name is Javonni."

>> * No, I won't lose hope *

* No, I won't lose sight *

>> "He randomly sent me a friend

request on Instagram back in

January and told me that I

should text him sometime."

>> That means he likes what he

saw on her Instagram.

>> "Javonni seemed to be a

super cool go-getter, not to

mention that he was the most

amazingly handsome man that I

had met in years."

>> * Heaven is a place

* That I can't find *

>> "He started telling me about

how he was an up-and-coming

music producer..."

That's always a red flag.

"Who had recently moved from

Milwaukee to Atlanta."

People always think, "Well, if

I'm a music producer, I can

always use the excuse, like,

'Oh, I'm in the studio.'"

Like, we see that all the time.

>> True.

"Right now, my feelings for

Javonni are through the roof.

He restored my heart and soul

at the same time..."

>> Hmm.

>> "And just took away all the

pain, hurt, and sorrow that I

had once felt towards all men.

However, I feel like we're

drifting apart.

I would ask him to video chat

with me, and he would always say

that he couldn't because he

didn't remember any of

his logins for the website."

That's...

>> Some B.S.

>> This is some B.S.

>> Yeah.

"When he still lived in

Milwaukee, I would often ask him

when we would be able to meet,

and he would always tell me

'Very soon,'

but it has never happened.

If he is who he says he is,

then he is, without a doubt,

my ideal man, husband, life

partner, and I would like to see

where this could

potentially go."

I mean, that's deep for an

online relationship.

>> I agree.

That's a Drake single waiting to

happen right there.

>> "I am begging for you guys

to help to uncover a long

overdue love that needs to be

brought together."

>> If you got a chick that you

can potentially smash

close to you,

and you don't go smash it,

something's wrong.

Something's wrong.

You the man!

>> Let's get this girl on the

old video chateroo.

>> Let's do it.

>> Hi.

>> Hi!

Hey, how you doing?

Hi, Charla--

>> You know this guy?

>> Yeah, oh, my God.

We met a few weeks ago here.

>> You met her?

>> Oh, at the club!

She had a T-shirt on of my face.

Now, see, this is gonna seem

so staged.

>> Whoa.

>> Hold on, I got it on

my Instagram.

>> Are you guys messing with me?

>> Hold up, hold up.

>> No, this is so real.

>> Hold on.

>> Are you Javonni?

>> No, I'm not Javonni.

>> You said you

were in Milwaukee

recently for a gig or something.

>> I was in Milwaukee.

This one right here.

>> What?

>> Hold on,

let me get out my camera.

>> This is crazy.

>> This is insane.

>> And now she's requesting

our help with an

Instagram relationship.

>> Listen, I totally believe in

the universe, man.

This is not a coincidence.

>> Wow.

Okay, so we just

read your email.

This guy has, like, a real

emotional hold on you.

>> A huge one.

It was like he knew the right

things to say at the right time.

"Oh, you're beautiful."

The good morning text messages,

the good night.

He will often ask

is my daughter okay.

He just made it aware that he

was there for me no matter what.

>> Has he ever, like, sent you

music that he produced?

>> No.

>> That's a little weird.

If he is an up-and-coming...

>> It is, but--

>> music producer,

you'd think he would want to

share some of that music

with you.

>> Right.

>> Have you spoken on the phone?

>> Yes.

Three times.

He sounds like he's the person

that I've been seeing

everywhere, you know, in

pictures and everything.

Nothing too crazy, like he's a

woman or anything.

>> Here's a guy who "wants to be

there for you," and yet can't

take you out for dinner.

>> Get dinner?

He not trying to smash?

You a cute girl, Miracle.

>> If you really think that

meeting this guy is something

that can greatly affect your

life, I would like to try and

make that happen.

>> Miracle needs a miracle.

>> Absolutely.

>> We will kind of put our stuff

together and catch the next

flight to Milwaukee.

>> Oh, my God, I can't wait to

see you guys.

>> Bye, Miracle.

>> Bye.

>> What are the chances

of that, Nev?

It's amazing how the universe

works, yo.

>> Yeah, you guys were meant to

meet, and to obviously

meet again.

>> Yeah.

>> Let's get our stuff together.

>> This is the fun part.

Here we go, Nev!

Crazy how somebody like Miracle

can fall for this.

She knows it's probably B.S.

>> She kind of knows.

>> But she just wants to know.

Hope dealers, man.

He's selling hope.

>> This is your travel swag?

>> T-shirt from Target.

$9.99.

I need to catch

a big-ass catfish.

I can't believe y'all

couldn't pay for a

straight-through flight.

This catfish [bleep] is too

real, man.

Y'all keeping it way too real.

Or cheap, one of the two.

>> Miracle's so convinced that

Javonni is this amazing, loving

person, and we don't know if he

is the real deal or not.

This girl's got a story.

We got to make her feel

comfortable to tell us.

>> Do something

that men never do,

actually listen to the female.

>> That's right.

>> Okay, I got you.

>> All right, let's do this.

>> Nev, ladies and gentlemen.

>> Look at you.

You're a natural.

Hey, there she is.

>> Hi. How are you?

>> Hello.

>> Hi, Charlamagne.

>> You know Charlamagne.

>> Miracle!

>> Wow, this place is decorated.

>> Thank you.

This is Rikai.

This is our wall.

>> What a smile.

Oh, my God.

>> This is Rikai's room.

>> What?

>> Rikai out here ballin'.

First of all, where the hell you

find all these black Barbies?

>> I want her to feel like if

Barbie can be president,

astronaut, doctor, then she

can too.

>> I didn't know Barbie was that

racially diverse.

>> Before we move too fast,

I'd like to know a little bit

more just sort of about you and

your background.

>> Well, of course.

I guess you should know why my

name is Miracle.

My mom, she was on drugs,

and she didn't know that she

was pregnant until

the day she had me.

She thought she had a tumor.

>> Whoa.

>> So...

>> For nine months?

>> Mm-hmm.

>> Wow.

>> What drugs

was your mom using primarily?

>> Crack cocaine.

>> Crack cocaine.

>> Me and my sisters,

we were exchanges.

>> What does that mean?

>> Yeah.

>> She was on drugs.

She didn't have the money.

She had a vagina,

they had, you know...

So if I have sex with you,

can I have, you know...

>> Wow.

>> And then, of course, my dad.

>> Where's he?

>> I have no idea who he is.

She doesn't even know, so...

>> Is she still struggling?

>> Mm-hmm.

It's not as bad,

but she's still on.

She'll say, "No, I'm not."

We know you are.

We're not crazy.

>> You have every reason

to be a loser.

>> Right.

>> Like, you could have just

accepted it and been like, "You

know what, eff life.

I'm gonna be a failure,

make excuses."

>> I mean, I did at one point,

but then I got pregnant.

Then I had her and was like,

"Wow, okay, I have this little

person following me around now.

You know, she's gonna

look up to me.

Like, I'm somebody's mother."

So she's the only reason.

>> Explain to me how Javonni

got you wrapped up in

this relationship.

>> It may sound crazy.

Like, the things he was saying,

I hadn't heard in a while.

>> Then what happens?

>> He just kind of, like,

dropped the random

bombshell on me.

He was telling me

that he had a meeting,

a real big meeting in Atlanta.

He wanted me to be the first

person to know.

He's saying, "T.I. signed me to

Grand Hustle."

He said, "I'm gonna have to move

to Atlanta."

He was all over the place.

He kept saying his sister had

lupus, so he was, like, back and

forth from there to here.

Out of nowhere,

I get a text message.

"Who is this?

Don't text Javonni's

phone anymore.

He doesn't need you, you're a

groupie, you just want him for

his money and who he is."

>> He said, "Oh, my God,

that's my ex, she's crazy."

>> Do you think that all the

stuff that he was telling you

may not be true?

>> I mean, I know it's some sick

people out here, but I don't

think that a person would lie

about their sister having lupus.

>> You don't watch Catfish.

>> I absolutely do.

>> Oh.

>> I don't think he would lie

about that, no.

T.I., Grand Hustle?

>> All right, well, I got to see

this guy.

>> I need to see this guy too.

>> All right, so let me

get this going.

>> I'm watching Nev in action.

I feel like I'm watching

LeBron play.

>> That is Javonni.

>> Okay.

I have to say, he looks much

more like a regular guy than I

thought he would.

>> He looks attainable.

>> I want to see your messages.

>> His text messages?

>> I would live to see this B.S.

that he's feeding you.

>> Yeah, so let's just see what

he says to you.

>> You want to role play?

Want me to be Javonni?

>> Sure.

>> "Yeah, I'm that type of

[bleep] when I find something

I like."

>> You found something you like?

>> "I believe I have."

>> I think I have.

>> "Really?

That's what it dew"--

D-E-W.

>> I told my friends I think I'm

being catfished.

>> "Aw, yeah, that's

some bull[bleep].

Laugh out loud.

I need to be asking you that.

Wait, are you a catfish?

You seem to be everything I look

for in a woman.

I think I need a Miracle

in my life."

This is amazing.

He's good.

Now I'm starting to see

he's kind of good.

>> He's giving me attention.

I don't really feel like I've

met anyone worthy enough for me

to say I'm ready to settle down.

Javonni just makes me feel

more wanted.

At the end of the day,

I feel like I deserve to be

happy just like everybody else.

Like, my past should not

determine my future.

I can honestly say everything

that he's said about the Grand

Hustle, the producing,

everything, I don't really care

about that stuff.

He's a great guy.

If it's not him,

I just want to know why.

>> It means being ready for

the truth.

>> I'm ready--it's long overdue.

>> All right.

We're gonna get out of here.

Do some research.

We'll be in touch.

>> Bye, Charlamagne.

>> All right, Miracle.

>> See you guys later.

>> What do you think about all

this, man?

>> I ain't gonna front, man.

It's a lot.

Nobody ever paid her attention.

She probably never felt like

somebody really cared.

I want to hug my daughter and,

like, "Oh, you are loved."

This guy is not gonna be nothing

that she thinks he's

going to be.

Lord have mercy.

>> So you do this at a cafe?

>> That's all I need.

>> You are the cheapest man

in America.

You stay in three-star hotels...

>> Free internet.

>> You drive minivans,

and you mooch people's

free wireless?

>> So basically what we're

dealing with--

we've got a young lady, she's

26, nine-year-old daughter.

Some guy hits her up on

Instagram, gives Miracle his

number, they start texting,

and here we are a year later.

We've got to figure out who this

Javonni guy is,

if he's the guy in the pictures.

I mean, right now we really

don't know if anything he's

telling her is true.

>> So what are we waiting on to

work your magic?

This is all you use,

isa computer?

You don't have, like, no,

like, no Batman utility belt?

>> We have no special tools.

I got my phone and a laptop

and free wi-fi.

>> Wow.

>> Let's start with Javonni's

phone number.

Let's throw it in Spokeo.

It's searching.

Oh, we got male.

It says address unknown.

So not a lot coming through on

the phone number, unfortunately.

>> You're really looking

for this guy.

I really thought that this was

some type of plant, like--

>> You thought somehow we

wouldn't have to actually figure

it out and find him?

>> Yeah.

I thought he was already

in on the act.

>> No, man.

>> This is a real show.

You're not doing this just

'cause I'm here, right?

>> Nope.

Let's go through his photos, and

then we'll do an image search.

Here's the first one.

No direct match.

No hits.

>> This guy doesn't exist, man.

>> Ahh!

>> So what do you do

when you strike out?

>> You know what I think

could help?

>> What?

>> A little silver fox infusion.

>> Okay.

>> I usually do this with Max.

>> So you're admitting right now

that Max is the brains of

this operation, basically.

>> I think Max has

a lot to offer.

Let's give him a call.

Oh, connecting.

Hey!

>> Hey, guys.

>> What's going on?

>> Really?

That's a set, Max?

>> So while you're on the beach,

I'm sitting here with

Charlamagne trying to track down

Javonni Santos.

Guess what--

he's a music producer.

>> [laughs]

>> Right.

We need a little inspiration.

What are, like, all those things

that we always remember after--

>> PeopleSmart?

>> Let's write that down.

>> Hey, come on!

I'm a little rusty.

>> Sorry for bothering you,

Mr. Max.

>> Later, buddy.

>> Thank you, sir.

>> Here's Javonni's cell phone.

Let's check and see if that

shows up on PeopleSmart.

Come on, now.

Come on, give us something.

>> We got the luck of the silver

fox on our side.

We should be okay.

Rickie Witherspoon!

It's him!

He's 27!

Born April 1987.

You did it, Nev!

You got him!

>> This could be the break.

>> Max did it.

>> Current address.

Milwaukee, so that's good.

So now let's look up Rickie.

We got a Twitter profile.

That looks like it could be

our guy.

>> That's catfish.

>> Look, he's got,

like, an album.

Let's hear it.

[rap music]

*

Oh, here we go.

Oh, boy.

We got a music video

with him in it.

>> These [bleep] here.

You know who I am,

the director.

Mr. Director.

>> Oh.

That's him.

>> Just finishing up, you know,

our little video shoot

that I leaped one time.

>> I think we play Miracle that

video, and we're just like, "is

this the voice," and she says

yes, then we know it's this guy.

>> You did it again, man.

This is amazing to watch.

>> Basically we've got a guy

who's a less-successful-than-he-

makes-himself-out-to-be music

producer who has been pretending

to be this very handsome guy,

but the good news is that he

is a guy, he is making music,

and he does live in Milwaukee.

I think, if he is really the

sweet guy that he presents

himself as with Miracle, like,

maybe there's a chance.

>> Absolutely.

You got him.

>> We've got some real

information to go back to her

with tomorrow.

Let's get out of here.

>> To Catch a Catfish continues.

>> Yesterday, we may have found

our guy, Rickie.

But here's something else

that we can do

to prove to her that she's not

talking to Javonni.

I was thinking, you've got a

pretty big social

media following.

>> Mm-hmm.

>> Nobody knows that you're

working on the show right now.

>> Mm-hmm.

>> So if you posted a picture of

this guy, Javonni, and just sort

of said, like, "Hey--"

>> "I'm looking for this

producer.

I heard he makes hot beats."

>> Yeah, exactly.

>> Now we talking.

So I'm like the sexy decoy.

Bam!

I posted on Instagram and

Twitter and Facebook.

I'ma speak his language.

"Looking for this guy.

Heard he got them beats

and [bleep]."

>> Bam.

Let's see how long it takes.

Has anyone

hit you back about Javonni?

>> Let me see.

Somebody said,

"Isn't that eyeyou--"

that's eyeyouugly!

We got him!

>> Hold on, hold on.

>> He's got 7,000 followers.

Oh, video.

>> Yeah, man, I've

been up all night.

I didn't get no

sleep last night.

>> We got him.

>> All right.

>> Ah, poor Miracle.

>> Let's message this guy.

"It's Nev from Catfish.

Any chance we can chat quickly?

Let me know."

I think we got everything we

need now to totally prove that

she's not talking to this guy.

The guy she is talking to is

potentially Rickie.

We should go over to Miracle's,

show her everything that we

found, because we might say

Rickie Witherspoon to her and

she might say, like,

"Oh, my God, I know Rickie."

>> Yeah.

>> Who knows what could happen?

>> Yeah.

>> All right.

Let's load out.

Rickie Witherspoon.

We're coming for you.

>> Espresso bar.

Nev, let's get a triple shot

of espresso and lose

our [bleep] minds.

>> All right.

How are you feeling right now?

>> Nervous.

>> It's very important to

remember right now that you may

not control all the events that

happen to you, but you can

decide whether or not to be

reduced by them.

>> Thanks, Charlamagne.

>> First thing's first.

We did a phone search,

and that gave us a hit.

It came up registered to a guy

named Rickie.

Do you have any idea

who that guy is?

>> No, but his address--

that's right down the street

from where I live.

>> This address is

very close to you.

>> On a good day,

in walking distance.

>> So we thought, "Okay, let's

look up Rickie Witherspoon,"

and it did bring us to

this Twitter account.

This doesn't ring any bells?

Well, we were scrolling through

tweets and we came across

this video.

>> You know who I am,

the director.

Mr. Director.

Just finishing up, you know,

our little video shoot.

>> Having spoken to Javonni on

the phone,

does that guy's voice...

>> No.

>> Sound anything like

Javonni's to you?

>> Not at all.

>> I don't think she wants it to

be his voice.

>> So this morning, we decided,

let's do something we've never

done before.

We downloaded a picture of

Javonni and sort of asked

the internet, "Does anybody know

who this guy is?"

And it brought us to an

Instagram account.

"Eyeyouugly."

The pictures are the same guy.

We started to get to pictures

that include this girl.

>> Yeah, that sucks.

Bad.

>> I believe that you're so real

that it's easy for you to

believe in other people.

That's why it was easy for you

to believe that this guy was

Javonni Santos, or whatever

his name was.

>> Like, someone should tell him

that somebody's using him

like that.

Like, that sucks.

>> Actually, we reached

out to him.

I sent him an Instagram message.

I don't know if he wrote back,

but we should check.

Okay, he said, "Sure, I'm free.

We can FaceTime."

So do you want to talk

to this guy?

>> Yeah.

>> Hey, what's up?

>> Hey, what's going on?

>> Thanks for getting back

to me.

Appreciate it.

What should I call you?

>> You can call me Jonathan

or JC.

>> Okay, so your name is

Jonathan, though.

>> Right.

>> Have you ever seen my

show, Catfish?

>> I have.

>> Okay.

So we're helping a young lady

who has been talking to someone

who looks a lot like you.

>> I'm so sorry.

>> If you don't mind just

saying hello, that might be a

nice thing.

>> Hi.

>> Hi, baby.

>> Hey.

>> How are you?

>> It sounds like

the text messages.

I'm fine.

I don't know, this is just

really weird.

It's--I don't know.

>> Do you have any history or

friends in Milwaukee?

>> Not at all.

I don't know anybody

from Milwaukee.

>> You okay?

>> Who does that

to somebody?

I just kind of feel like

my heart has been broken.

Even if it was just through text

messages, those messages meant a

lot to me.

>> * I know you're gonna *

* Wait for me

* Until I won't be there *

>> What do we do next?

>> I want to know

who it is.

>> You do?

>> Absolutely.

>> I could feel her hurt.

It was genuine.

Like, she knows

her fantasy is gone.

>> I think at this point we just

have to reach out to Javonni

and say, "Look, we know you're

not the guy in the pictures,"

and see if he wants

to come clean.

>> Let's go.

[line ringing]

>> Yes, hello, is this Javonni?

>> Okay, cool.

Hey, this is Nev.

Have you seen or are you at

least familiar with the TV show

that I make called Catfish?

>> Great.

As you, I'm sure, already know,

Miracle, the young lady that

you've been talking to, would

very much like to meet you.

>> Okay, so are you

in Milwaukee?

>> We were curious--do you also

ever go by Rickie?

Is that also your name, or...

>> So--

[phone beeps]

>> I mean, look, this is not so

different than some of the

people we've met before.

They want to tell the truth,

they want to come clean, like he

said, "I'm ready to have this be

over," or what did he say?

Something like that.

>> I don't like when people

say things like that.

>> I don't either.

>> "Over" sounds final.

>> Let me go get my stuff,

and I'll meet you in the lobby.

>> Word.

>> All right, cool.

>> Let's do it.

>> Javonni texted me a few

minutes ago with an address,

and guess what.

It's the same address that comes

up with the phone number

with Rickie.

To me it's--

>> It's a wrap.

You got him.

>> We got him.

[knocking on door]

Oh, there she is.

>> Hi.

>> Hi.

>> So where are we going?

>> We're going to that address

that we found for Rickie.

It turns out that that's where

he is.

>> Ugh, this is sick.

We live in the same city.

Like, do you know me?

>> Right.

>> Did somebody put you

up to this?

I just feel real dumb.

I just never thought it could

happen to me.

>> Do you feel like he owes

you anything?

>> I just want to know why.

>> It's gonna be on this side.

There it is.

I'll go knock,

and I'll bring him out, okay?

>> Okay.

>> I'm not sure which door

to knock on.

[knocking on door]

>> Oh, hell no.

>> Hey. How you doing?

>> Hey. How's it going?

Pretty good.

>> I'm Nev.

>> Nice to meet you, Nev.

>> I'm gonna guess your

name is Rickie...

aka Javonni.

>> This is a whole lot.

It's a whole lot.

>> Right.

>> But the best thing

you could do is, you know,

follow me inside.

>> Actually what I'd like to do

is introduce you to Miracle.

>> Yeah, I'll do that for you.

>> So let's do that.

>> I'll do that for you.

I mean...

>> You don't want to come

down here?

>> I'd rather have her come up

this way.

>> Why is that?

>> Like I said, you definitely

need to follow me inside.

I got some...

It's hard to explain right now.

Yeah, it's hard to explain.

>> Why don't you just walk down

here with me?

Wait, hold up, hold up.

Hold up.

Where are you going, man?

>> Nev, don't you follow no

angry black man into

their house.

>> I guess he went

back upstairs.

>> I can understand he feels

like we're putting him

in the hot seat.

He really needs us to go inside.

I'm willing to go in.

>> It's fine.

Charlamagne, you have to

come too.

>> Oh, Lord, MTV ain't paying me

enough for all of this, bro.

>> Okay, we are in the house.

>> Do you know me

from somewhere?

Like, have you seen me?

>> No.

>> So why me?

>> You know, I...

It's tough, man.

It's hard.

>> [sighs]

>> Hey.

Let's just talk for a second.

She's just feeling a lot of

anger and humiliation.

>> I get that.

I get that.

>> So I think the best thing you

can do is to just tell her and

us what's going on with you.

Whatever it is.

>> Oh, God.

>> Give me a sec.

>> Think about it.

No pressure.

He's just gonna take a second.

I'd like to at least

give him an opportunity

to just explain himself.

>> Oh, my God.

>> All right.

>> Hi.

>> Hello. How are you?

>> Hi.

>> I'm Nev.

>> I'm Kara.

>> Kara.

>> Yes.

>> Hi.

>> Well...

I'm Javonni.

>> Meaning you are the person

with whom Miracle has

been texting?

>> Yes.

>> Which would mean that you're

the guy on the phone

that she spoke to?

>> Yes.

>> So together,

you guys created this--

>> Not together.

>> No.

>> I did it on my own.

When Miracle wanted to speak

with a guy, I didn't know

who else to turn to...

but my husband.

I made a page, 'cause a friend

of mine, her boyfriend was

cheating on her, and the girl

that he was cheating with, I was

trying to get her to give me all

of her information.

So of course, when I made the

page, I'm just sending out

friend requests to everyone.

>> So you made the Javonni

Santos page to reach out to a

girl that your friend's

boyfriend was messing

around with?

>> Yes.

>> Explain how we ended up here

right now.

'Cause there's a big--

>> There is a big gap.

Well, I don't work, because I

have lupus.

Most of the time, I'm just kind

of laying around,

kind of in bed not feeling good,

so when she started texting, it

was like, "Oh," not thinking

that it would have went

this far.

Not even thinking that it would

have lasted more than

a week or two.

>> This is some real

Catfish [bleep].

>> How do you let your wife do

this, though?

Why didn't you check

your wife, bro?

>> Like, why didn't you take the

phone and say, "Miracle, it's my

wife, she playin'"?

>> She's here majority

of the time.

I'm usually not here.

I'm working.

That's what I do, you know?

So I'm normally gone,

so I didn't realize how deep it

had gotten.

Like, girl, you need

to stop with that.

I didn't realize that it went

over what she originally planned

for it to be.

>> Once I get to know Miracle,

like, I thought she was a really

sweet girl.

>> Are your feelings--

>> Genuine. They're genuine.

Yes.

Everything through our text

messages, that was all me.

>> But to be clear, you

expressed, at least from the

little bit that was made

apparent to us, like,

romantic feelings.

>> Um, some of it was pretend

and some of it was real.

But far as, like, wanting a

relationship with her, no, I

don't want to take it that far.

>> I mean, just from what I got,

it was a relationship.

>> No, it wasn't.

>> That, you know, couldn't be

put to rest, you know?

Like, you know, a month goes

past, you're still conversating?

Why are you still--

you're still--

this is what's still going on?

>> This is some B.S. right now.

You did make me feel like that

person was a real person.

Now we're on national television

looking crazy as hell.

I got friends, I got family,

I have a daughter.

I have a job, I have a career,

I work for the damn state.

I'm sitting over here looking

dumb as hell because of you.

>> I do apologize that you got

wrapped up, but at the same

time, it's not like, "You, you,

you, you, you."

It's not that.

It's us.

We did it together.

We was in this together.

We was--I wasn't texting myself.

You're trying to blame

the victim.

>> Mind you, several times,

I did try to stop.

>> Every time you tried, you

were right back trying to keep

me to stay there, saying all of

this weird stuff.

Let's just be real.

Do not sit there and say, like,

you was just sitting here like,

"I'm done, I'm done, I'm done,"

and I'm just sitting there like

some dumb-ass female, and I'm

still there.

>> Come on, man, let's be real

about the [bleep] thing.

>> I tried more than once.

>> Is it lupus or is she psycho?

Which one?

You're a sick individual.

>> I am a [bleep]

sick individual,

I am a sick individual.

>> I know you are.

>> I have lupus, and I live with

it every [bleep] day.

>> Your mind, your mind.

>> You're talking about sick--

my mind is good,

my mind is good.

>> Something's wrong with you.

[both speaking at once]

>> I apologize.

I said I'm sorry,

and now what the [bleep]

do you want me to do?

Like, get on my knees and beg?

I'm not gonna do that.

>> Ladies, ladies, ladies.

>> Calm down, okay? Calm down.

>> I'm beyond pissed.

>> We ain't talking.

I ain't talking to her no more.

We ain't talking.

>> Maybe now is the appropriate

time to--

>> Absolutely.

>> You see me?

Don't speak me.

>> Trust me, there ain't no

reason to.

Sweetie, you basic.

>> Do you see

your outfit, though?

And I'm basic?

Is that a fishnet?

>> Let's go. Let's go.

>> There's the door.

>> We can leave.

'Cause this [bleep]'s done.

>> Okay.

>> All right, bro.

Peace, man.

>> Take it easy.

>> Have a good day.

>> You too, now.

>> They's some

sick-ass individuals.

They both some [bleep] bums

if you ask me.

>> You should holler at your

wife, though, man.

Don't let her do that

again to somebody.

>> You know, the bottom line is

you don't know what's, you know,

what's going on behind the

scenes, is basically

what I'm trying to say.

>> Y'all be cool, man.

>> Get me the hell out of here.

>> It is.

>> That's it. It's over with.

>> It is.

>> You know?

>> She didn't have to

call you basic.

>> She own a fishnet top.

I'm basic?

Her haircut's $6.99.

>> I'm telling you, a pack.

>> It was on sale.

Buy one, get one free.

>> But you basic, though.

>> I'm basic.

>> I never would have considered

that a woman who was catfishing

you would have her

husband involved.

>> Oh, my goodness.

[knocking on door]

>> Yo.

>> Hey, man.

>> 'Sup, bro?

>> I think there's a lot more to

Kara's story than

we got yesterday.

I just don't want to leave

tension and negativity.

>> Make Miracle understand

Kara better.

You're a good guy, man.

You got a great heart.

>> I think my best chance at

sort of breaking down Kara

and getting her to really open

up to me would be to just talk

to her solo,

and then meet back up with you

and Miracle, fill you guys in,

so that she can sit down with

Kara and they can relate

to each other.

>> Hi.

>> Hello.

>> How you doing?

>> How are you? I'm good.

>> Good to see you.

I'd love to know what you

thought was gonna happen

yesterday when you walked out

from that hallway, 'cause you

caught us all pretty off-guard.

>> When I came out,

I was so calm,

and then, when I got upset

is she said, "It must be the

lupus that's messing with your

mind, that's making you

act psycho."

You don't know what

I've been through.

You don't know what life is like

when I'm stuck in my bed,

that my husband has to carry me

to the bathroom, help me take

down my clothes, sit me on the

toilet, help me wipe, put me

back in the bed.

Like, you don't know that life.

Lupus is an autoimmune disorder,

and it affects everything.

So there's no sun,

no sun exposure.

I have to wait until the sun

goes down before I can

go outside.

>> Really?

>> I feel bad for my children,

because they want to go out and

they want to play, they want to

enjoy things, but I'm not

able to.

Sometimes, like, I feel like

I'm suffocating.

>> The situation you're in now

leaves you with a lot of indoor

time on your hands.

Obviously, you fill some of that

time with social media.

>> Yes. Yes.

>> You were using the Instagram

profile to follow and learn

about this other girl.

>> Right. Right.

>> In an effort to make it seem

legit, you friended a bunch

of people.

>> Just random people.

And she was the only one

that responded.

I said, "I'll just go with it

for a little while."

It was a relationship.

I actually had some

kind of bond with her,

some kind of attachment.

>> You were enjoying the

exchange of, sort of,

flirtation and attraction.

>> I was kind of curious,

far as women.

But growing up, it was nothing

ever that, you know, 'cause--

my parents became pastors.

If you do that, you're going

straight to hell.

Hell is not a place

that I want to go.

I just never really

experimented with it.

>> * How can this happen

* How can this be

>> I'm telling her things

that I would love to hear.

>> * There is no ending

* There is no peace

>> You wish someone would say

those things to you?

>> More.

You know, the lupus kind of

changed our marriage.

He has to work,

6:30 till 10:00,

every day.

>> Wow.

>> And so we don't get that time

that I want, you know, with him.

But this is my life, so I have

to accept it and I have to

live it.

>> Still a lot that needs to be

said and understood, but I feel

like if you guys could sit down

and hear each other,

there might be a chance

at an actual friendship.

>> This episode of Catfish: The

TV Show continues now.

Kara really sees that she made a

bad decision,

but she's lonely,

and she is home all day long,

and I think this is where maybe

you guys can relate.

She talked to you in the way

that she wished someone would

talk to her.

>> Wow.

That's deep.

Use this opportunity to teach.

Share your strength, man.

You know she's dead wrong.

She knows she's dead wrong.

>> There is a real conversation

that you could have that could

be pretty beneficial.

Give her a chance.

>> Okay.

With everything

that happened yesterday,

I was on ten,

ready to go.

To know that he isn't real,

I do kind of feel like a big

piece of me is gone.

He was real to me.

And I'm not gonna lie, I did

want to come in here today

being real negative.

But I said,

"Okay, you know what? No.

I'ma give her a chance to say

whatever it is she has to say."

>> I apologize for

leading you on.

My main thing is, I did not have

malicious intent to come in and

try to hurt you in any kind

of way.

That's not even me.

That's not even the type

of person that I am.

It was something different

about you.

It was some kind of sincerity.

It was just something

different about you,

and it was weird, because, like,

I would be laying in bed on the

side of my husband, and I'm

like, "I didn't get a good

morning text this morning."

I honestly, truly thought this

person genuinely cares about me.

I don't have many friends.

You know, when I made the

Javonni page, it was just like--

Javonni was just Kara.

Just with a different face.

>> Even though you started it,

I'm definitely not gonna put all

the blame on you.

It may sound crazy, but

the text messages we shared--

it meant a lot.

Things that I shared with you,

I told Javonni before I told

my friends.

>> What I want you to know is,

like, all of that, the feelings,

like, that was Kara.

>> Knowing the severity now of

your condition, I would

definitely still check in, like,

"Hey, Kara, you okay?

How's it going?"

Maybe one day becoming friends.

>> I appreciate that, because I

felt like you and I did have

some kind of bond.

>> Give me a hug.

>> Okay.

>> I might even like that.

>> I apologize again.

>> That's okay.

>> All right, how'd it go?

>> Might have a friendship here.

You never know.

>> All right, well, thank you.

>> Good luck with everything.

>> Thank you.

>> Nice meeting you.

>> Nice meeting you as well.

Thank you, guys.

>> Bye.

>> Wow.

>> I can't sit here and be mad

forever about it.

As the conversation went on,

like, we both just started

sharing things and...

the frowns turned into smiles.

>> You learned something from

her, and I'm sure she learned a

lot from you.

[line ringing]

>> Hi.

>> Are you ready?

Here we go,

I got Charlamagne now.

>> How are you?

>> Oh, gosh, I'm great.

It's been really weird

not having Javonni to talk to.

I tried to reach out to Kara

on Facebook.

She never replied.

>> Jeez.

>> Oh, my God.

>> I really hope you find a man

who you love.

>> Thank you, Charlamagne.

>> Good luck with everything.

>> Bye.

[line ringing]

>> Hello.

>> Hey, Kara. How are you?

>> Everything is great.

My health is getting better.

>> That all sounds good.

I'm glad to hear things are

going well for you.

>> Thank you.

>> Miracle says she tried to

inbox you on Facebook.

>> I have not been avoiding her.

I totally did not see that, but

I will go and look.

I have no problem with reaching

out to her.

She can come sit on my couch

if she wants.

>> All right. Bye, guys.

>> Bye.

>> All right.

>> We've never done an episode

like this before where

the catfish wrote in

pretending to be the hopeful.

>> What?

>> The extent that you've gone

to is a little obsessive.

>> Yeah, kinda.

[laughs]

>> Is he gonna leave me alone?

Or am I gonna kind of be

watching behind my back?

>> Oh, my God, I'm gonna

have a heart attack.

Okay.

>> Are you okay?

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