Catfish: The TV Show (2012–…): Season 3, Episode 5 - Tracie & Sammie - full transcript

>> WELL, HERE WE ARE IN ARDMORE.

>> OH, HERE IT IS.

>> OKAY, YOU KNOW WHAT?

WHAT'S GONNA BE IS GONNA BE.

I'M GONNA TRY TO JUST LET IT

HAPPEN.

OH, MY GOD.

OKAY.

DID ANYBODY SEE HER?

>> HEY, GUYS.

IS THAT HER?



>> IT JUST GOT REALLY DARK AND,

LIKE, TWISTED.

>> * MY NAME IS NEV

* I'M HERE RIGHT NOW *

* MAX IS COOL

* HE'S MY FRIEND *

* BUDDY MAX, BUDDY MAX

* HE IS THE BEST

* FILMING WITH A CAMERA

* ON HIS CHEST

[laughter]

* NOW, WE'RE GOING TO SKYPE *

* WITH SOMEONE

* WE DON'T KNOW WHO IT IS *



* OR WHERE THEY ARE

BUT WE GOT SOMEBODY.

"HELLO, NEV AND MAX.

MY NAME IS TRACIE.

I AM AN ACTRESS, AND CURRENTLY

LIVE IN LOS ANGELES.

I NEED YOUR HELP.

I WAS IN THE FILM ADAPTATION OF

THE BROADWAY MUSICAL RENT AND

WAS LUCKY ENOUGH TO BE IN THE

CLOSING BROADWAY CAST.

I WAS ALSO IN QUENTIN

TARANTINO'S DEATH PROOF."

SHE'S THE BADASS GIRL FROM

DEATH PROOF.

>> THAT'S PRETTY COOL.

>> THAT'S CRAZY.

"I HAD AN ONLINE EXPERIENCE THAT

I WANT TO TELL YOU ABOUT.

IT STILL HAUNTS ME TO THIS DAY.

HOWEVER, MY CATFISH IS NOT

ROMANTIC IN NATURE.

I 'MET' A FAN ABOUT TWO YEARS

AGO ON TWITTER NAMED SAMMIE."

>> * BABY, I'M A DARK STAR *

* DARK STAR

>> "SHE QUICKLY BECAME WHAT I

CALL A SUPER FAN.

SHE WAS AWESOME."

>> * 'CAUSE, BABY *

* I'M A DARK STAR *

* DARK STAR

>> "SHE HELPED GET THE WORD OUT

ABOUT PROJECTS I WAS INVOLVED

IN, MADE VIDEOS FOR ME, MADE

MEMES, CREATED HASHTAGS,

RETWEETED EVERYTHING TO PROMOTE

ANYTHING I WAS DOING.

I REALLY GREW TO LIKE THIS GIRL.

I'VE HAD EXPERIENCES WITH FANS

THAT HAVE GONE AWRY BEFORE.

THIS GIRL WAS REALLY CLEVER AND

DETAILED IN HER DECEIT, AND I

STILL DON'T KNOW HOW SHE PULLED

IT ALL OFF."

>> WHAT DID SHE PULL OFF?

>> "SHE CREATED MULTIPLE

ACCOUNTS AND PERSONALITIES TO

GARNER MORE AND MORE ATTENTION

FOR ME, AND EVEN KILLED ONE OFF

TO GET SYMPATHY FOR ME.

I HAVE HAD NO INTERACTION WITH

HER IN A WHILE.

I HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING IF

SHE'S STILL LURKING ABOUT.

EVEN AFTER ALL SHE PUT ME

THROUGH, I'D LIKE TO KNOW THAT

SHE'S OKAY.

AND IN A PERFECT WORLD, SHE'S

REFORMED HER CATFISHING WAYS.

CAN YOU HELP ME?

TRACIE."

INTERESTING.

>> VERY INTERESTING.

WHAT A DIFFERENT KIND OF STORY

THIS IS.

>> IT REALLY IS.

>> YEAH.

>> LET'S GET HER ON--ON SKYPE.

>> ON THE HORN.

[ringing]

TRACIE?

>> HELLO.

>> HI.

>> HI.

FIRST, LET ME JUST SAY,

I'M A--I'M A BIG FAN.

>> [laughter]

>> WHAT DID SHE DO THAT, LIKE,

KIND OF SET OFF YOUR ALARM?

>> SO LAST YEAR, I WAS WORKING

ON A FILM CALLED RAZE, AND WHEN

YOU'RE DOING INDEPENDENT MOVIES,

YOU REALLY DEPEND ON YOUR FAN

BASE.

AND SHE WAS JUST AWESOME.

SHE WAS SMART.

SHE WAS FUNNY.

SHE WAS A REALLY, REALLY CLEVER

GIRL.

HER VIDEOS WERE FUNNY, AND SHE

COOKED ME.

I WAS GONNA HIRE THIS GIRL.

I GOT THAT CLOSE TO HER.

AND THEN SHE INTRODUCED ME TO

HER FRIEND, REESE.

AND REESE WAS, LIKE, QUIETER.

SHE WAS VERY DEVOTED, AND SHE

AND SAMMIE BECAME, LIKE, THIS

DYNAMIC DUO FOR US AND OUR

MOVIE.

THEN REESE SAID SOMETHING LIKE,

"I HOPE I GET TO MEET TRACIE

BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE."

I D.M.'D REESE, I'M LIKE,

"WHAT'S HAPPENING?

WHAT'S GOING ON?"

AND THEN SHE'S LIKE,

"OH, I'M SORRY.

I DIDN'T MEAN FOR YOU TO SEE

THAT.

BUT, OKAY, I HAVE CANCER."

THEN SUDDENLY, THINGS TURNED FOR

THE WORSE, AND THEN SAMMIE

D.M.'D ME, LIKE, "REESE PASSED

AWAY."

OH, MY GOD, REALLY?

THAT WAS FAST.

BUT THAT'S REALLY UPSETTING.

AND THEN, MAYBE A HALF AN HOUR

LATER, SAMMIE'S LIKE,

"ARE YOU OKAY?

HOW ARE YOU DOING?"

I'M LIKE, "HOW ARE YOU DOING?

THAT'S YOUR BEST FRIEND.

WHY ARE YOU ASKING ME

HOW I'M DOING?"

>> WOW.

>> JUST SOMETHING THERE.

AND I WAS LIKE, "SOMETHING'S NOT

RIGHT.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS.

AND THEN, DEAD REESE JUST

FAVORITED HER OWN R.I.P. TWEET.

>> SO SOMEONE SIGNED INTO

REESE'S PROFILE AFTER SHE

"DIED."

>> RIGHT.

THEN AN HOUR LATER,

UNFAVORITED IT.

AND TURNS OUT, THROUGH ALL OF

OUR DIGGING, REESE DOESN'T

EXIST.

THERE WAS NO REESE.

SAMMIE MADE HER UP AND GAVE HER

CANCER AND KILLED HER FOR

ATTENTION.

>> JESUS.

>> YOU KNOW, PART OF ME IS

WORRIED ABOUT HER.

WE WERE VERY, VERY GOOD FRIENDS.

IT JUST GOT REALLY DARK

AND--AND, LIKE, TWISTED.

I NEED TO KNOW.

IS SHE STILL LURKING AROUND?

IS SHE STALKING OTHER PEOPLE?

IS SHE STALKING ME?

>> THE GOOD NEWS IS WE LIVE IN

LOS ANGELES.

WE WOULD LOVE TO FLY BACK THERE

AND TALK ABOUT THIS, AND YOU CAN

REALLY SHOW US EVERYTHING THAT

YOU HAVE AND WE CAN SORT OF

COME UP WITH A STRATEGY, FIGURE

OUT WHAT WE WANT TO DO.

IT'S DEFINITELY GONNA BE AN

ADVENTURE.

>> I'M SO EXCITED.

>> BYE, TRACIE.

>> BYE, THANK YOU.

>> BYE.

>> IT'S A NEW ONE.

IT'S INTERESTING.

IT'S COOL.

>> * IS IT REAL FOR YOU

* LIKE IT'S REAL FOR ME *

>> YEAH.

>> * I'VE BEEN WALKING *

* IN SUBURBIA

* JUST LOOKING FOR YOU

>> SHOULD WE TURN IT UP?

MAX HEAT.

>> [laughs]

>> * BABY

* IS THIS HOW YOU FEEL

* I WANT TO KNOW, WANT TO KNOW

* IS THIS HOW YOU FEEL

>> LAND AT LOS "AN-GA-LEES."

>> WHOO!

>> WHAT'S AMAZING BECAUSE OF

SOCIAL MEDIA, YOU CAN ACTUALLY

REACH OUT AND TALK TO YOUR

IDOLS.

PEOPLE IN THE PUBLIC EYE HAVE A

LOT MORE RESPONSIBILITY TO

ACTUALLY ENGAGE WITH THEIR FANS.

>> HI, COME IN, HI.

>> HELLO.

I WANT THE FULL STORY HERE.

YOU MENTIONED ON THE SKYPE THAT

YOU HAVE SOME EXCHANGES,

MAYBE SCREENGRABS.

>> YEAH.

>> YEAH, LET'S SEE IT.

>> OKAY.

SAMMIE STARTED BEING A SUPER FAN

FOR OUR FILM RAZE.

AND I HAD, LIKE, KIND OF A SOFT

SPOT IN MY HEART FOR SAMMIE

BECAUSE SHE WAS VERY SWEET, VERY

TALENTED.

SHE MADE LITTLE MOVIES, LITTLE

SHORTS, AND THEY WERE ALWAYS

REALLY GOOD.

AND WE HAD THIS REALLY KIND OF

COOL FRIENDSHIP.

>> AND IT WAS THROUGH SAMMIE

THAT YOU MET REESE.

>> YES.

>> AND THEN REESE CAME AT YOU

WITH ALL OF THIS CANCER STUFF.

>> "I HAVE CANCER, AND I'M

DY--I'M DYING.

I'M DYING."

IT WAS VERY STRANGE BECAUSE

I GOT MORE EMOTIONALLY INVESTED

IN REESE THAN I HAD BEEN IN--IN

SAMMIE'S PERSONAL LIFE.

THE OTHER TWIST IN THE STORY

IS THAT I WASN'T THE ONLY ONE

THAT SAMMIE AND REESE WERE

TALKING TO.

THEY BOTH WERE ALSO REALLY

TALKING TO MY FRIEND, LOTTI.

AND SHE'S PRODUCING A FILM

CALLED CHASTITY BITES.

LOTTI GOT VERY, VERY CLOSE TO

SAMMIE AND REESE.

'CAUSE AS A PRODUCER, THESE ARE

THE GOLDEN SUPERSTARS,

THE PEOPLE THAT GO OUT INTO THE

WORLD AND TALK ABOUT IT AND

TWEET ABOUT IT.

SO JUST LOOK AT THIS TOP PART

RIGHT HERE.

"HAVE YOU TALKED TO REESE

TODAY?"

I DIDN'T ANSWER.

THEN THE NEXT DAY,

"SHE DIED THIS MORNING."

"OH, MY GOD, I'M SO SORRY.

WHY DID IT HAPPEN THAT FAST?"

SO A COUPLE DAYS LATER, SHE SENT

US THIS.

"HERE'S A LITTLE VIDEO."

AND THIS USED TO PLAY.

SO FIRST OF ALL, SHE'S TAKING

VIDEO AT HER BEST FRIEND'S

FUNERAL, WHICH IS ALREADY WEIRD.

AND YOU START TO SEE THE CASKET

COMING OUT, AND THEN IT CUTS.

SHE'S OUTSIDE BEHIND A CAR.

THEN SAMMIE TWEETS THIS FUNERAL

BANNER.

AND SHE'S LIKE, "TODAY'S THE

DAY."

>> THAT GOES ON THE CAR

REARVIEW--

>> IT GOES ON A CAR.

I ZOOMED IN.

THEN I WAS LIKE, "I KNOW HOW I'M

GONNA GET YOU."

YOU CAN GET RIGHT IN THERE.

EMMETT GOLDEN HUNT MEMORIAL

CHAPEL.

AND THERE'S, LIKE, THE PHONE

NUMBER.

AND THEY SAY,

"NO REESE."

>> COULD THAT BE HER NICKNAME?

>> YEAH, SO THEN I SAY TO HER,

"GOD, I'VE GOTTEN SO INVESTED IN

REESE.

I FEEL LIKE I KNOW SO LITTLE

ABOUT HER.

DO YOU HAVE AN OBITUARY?"

AND THEN SHE SAID, "I CAN'T

REALLY GET IT RIGHT NOW.

GIVE ME YOUR ADDRESS, AND I'LL

SEND IT TO YOU."

SO THEN I SAID, "NO, IT'S FINE.

JUST TWITPIC IT."

>> YEAH.

>> AND THEN NOTHING.

SHE GOT TIPPED OFF.

AND THEN, I REMEMBERED THIS

OTHER THING.

SAMMIE HAD A DEATH SCARE OF HER

OWN A FEW MONTHS AGO, WITH SOME

OTHER GIRL TWEETING ME THAT

SAMMIE WAS DEAD.

IT WAS FROM @MARISSACAMPAIGN.

THEN SAMMIE RESURFACED SAYING

SHE WAS FINE.

SHE JUST FAINTED AND WENT TO

THE HOSPITAL OR SOMETHING.

THEN I SAW THIS.

TURNS OUT, @MARISSACAMPAIGN WAS

THE ACCOUNT THAT WAS REESE

BEFORE HER NAME BECAME

@TNTSHEART.

>> WAIT, I'M--WAIT, HOLD ON.

SO @MARISSACAMPAIGN IS--YOU--

>> YEAH, BECAME REESE

@TNTSHEART.

THE NEXT MORNING, I WENT TO

REESE'S ACCOUNT.

IT SAID, "USER DOESN'T EXIST."

I WAS LIKE, "OH, NO."

SO I WENT TO MY D.M.s FROM

SAMMIE.

I STARTED TRYING TO FIND THINGS

THAT SHE HAD DONE AND

SCREENSHOT THEM.

THINGS WERE DISAPPEARING AS I

HAD THEM UP.

THEY WOULD BLINK OUT.

LIKE, SHE WAS DELETING

EVERYTHING.

SHE DELETED ALL HER OWN TWEETS

ABOUT REESE.

SHE DID THAT QUICKLY BECAUSE

SHE GOT TIPPED OFF.

THE LAST THING I EVER SAID TO

HER WAS, "JUST TWITPIC IT."

>> WOW.

WHAT IS YOUR GOAL OR HOPE THAT

WE CAN ACCOMPLISH WITH THIS

WHOLE EXPERIENCE TOGETHER?

>> IT'S JUST, LIKE, I HAVE SO

MANY, LIKE, KIND OF, LIKE,

QUESTIONS FOR HER.

LIKE, I LIKED HER.

>> * LIKE THE ACTORS

* I SEEN ON THE TELEVISION

* WITH THE STAGE LIGHTS ON

>> I ALMOST JUST WANT TO LOOK

HER IN THE FACE AND SAY,

"YOU WERE ENOUGH.

YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO DO THAT.

YOU DON'T EVER HAVE TO DO THIS

AGAIN."

SHE WAS ENOUGH.

SAMMIE, BY HERSELF, WAS ENOUGH.

>> * OF EVERYONE I EVER KNEW

* I'M GIVING IT ALL TO YOU *

* I'M ASKING EVERYTHING *

* IN RETURN

>> WHO KNOWS WHAT SHE WANTED.

I DON'T KNOW.

MAYBE SHE'S STILL OUT THERE.

SHE MORPHED HERSELF INTO

SOMEBODY ELSE, AND I'M NOT

REALIZING IT WHILE I'M TALKING

TO SOME OTHER FAN AND IT'S JUST

HER AGAIN.

>> I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR

YOU TO KNOW THAT THIS IS OVER.

>> YEAH.

>> SO YOUR FREDDY KRUEGER OR

YOUR MONSTER UNDER YOUR BED IS

NOT SOME--SORT OF ALWAYS

LURKING.

>> CAN YOU SEND US ALL OF THAT?

>> WE NEED A COPY OF ALL OF

THAT.

>> YEAH, I CAN SEND YOU ALL OF

THIS.

>> WE'LL GET THE ANSWERS.

>> RIGHT.

>> HOPEFULLY.

>> OKAY.

>> YOU WANT ME TO CRY AND HUG

HER.

>> WE'RE GONNA GET TO WORK.

>> THANKS, TRACIE.

>> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU, GUYS.

>> WE'RE OUT.

>> BYE.

>> IT'S PRETTY CLEAR HOW

UNNERVED THIS SUCCESSFUL,

CONFIDENT WOMAN HAS BEEN BY

A YOUNG FAN.

IT STILL BOTHERS HER TO THE

POINT WHERE SHE STILL HAS

QUESTIONS AND WANTS TO KNOW

MORE.

>> I'M JUST CONCERNED SAMMIE

COULD BE DANGEROUS.

>> HEADING INTO POST.

THE CATFISH HEADQUARTERS.

>> ALL RIGHT, SO HERE'S WHAT'S

UP.

WHAT TRACIE REALLY WANTS, WHICH

IS WHY WE'RE EVEN HERE, IS TO

FIND OUT IF THIS GIRL'S STILL

DOING THIS AND TO STOP HER FROM

DOING IT.

>> ALL WE KNOW IS WHAT TRACIE

KNOWS, WHICH IS THAT SAMMIE WAS

A SUPER FAN WHO CREATED REESE

AND MANIPULATED ALL OF THEM,

AND THAT WAS THAT.

SO LET'S FIND SAMMIE.

>> GREAT.

HERE'S HER EMAIL WITH ALL THE

INFO.

ALL RIGHT, HERE'S SPOKEO.

SO LET'S JUST START WITH THE

PHONE NUMBER.

>> OKAY.

ALL RIGHT, SPOKEO.

>> WE'LL SEE WHAT WE GOT.

>> DRUMROLL, PLEASE.

AND...

WOW.

>> OOH.

>> THERE YOU GO.

>> both: SAMANTHA DAVIS.

>> THAT'S INTERESTING.

>> LIVES OUTSIDE OF

PHILADELPHIA.

ALL RIGHT, SO WE HAVE A DIRECT

HIT FOR SAMANTHA DAVIS.

>> OKAY, THAT'S INTERESTING.

>> WELL, LET'S TAKE TO FACEBOOK.

>> YEAH, YOU WANT TO LOOK HER

UP?

>> YEAH, WE HAVE HER TWITTER

HANDLE.

>> LET'S LOOK UP HER HANDLE ON

FACEBOOK 'CAUSE IT'S PROBABLY

HER FACEBOOK PAGE TOO.

LET'S CHECK IT OUT.

BAM.

FACEBOOK PAGE, SAMANTHA REGINA.

>> MAYBE HER NAME IS

SAMANTHA REGINA DAVIS.

>> THAT'S THE SAME GIRL,

I THINK.

HERE, WAIT.

MAYBE WE CAN SEE MORE PHOTOS.

BABY.

"MY SON."

>> WHOA.

>> OKAY, SHE'S GOT A KID.

OKAY, LET'S GO TO THE ABOUT.

25, FEMALE, INTERESTED IN WOMEN

AND MEN.

"BONUS TRIVIA, BOTH MY PARENTS

ARE DEAF.

I'M REALLY GOOD AT CELEBRITIES."

"I'M REALLY GOOD AT

CELEBRITIES"?

>> SHE IS GOOD AT CELEBRITIES.

>> WHAT KIND OF A WEIRD THING TO

SAY IS THAT?

>> LOOK AT WHAT HER TWITTER

SAYS.

"TWISTED_LIZBIAN."

>> WAIT A SECOND.

THAT'S NOT HER.

>> BUT LOOK, IT'S THE SAME

BACKGROUND.

>> YOU'RE RIGHT.

"I LOVE LIZ [bleep]."

OKAY, SO HER TWITTER PAGE IS

JUST A FAN PAGE FOR LIZ [bleep].

OKAY.

>> SO SHE'S ACTIVELY STILL

PURSUING OTHER STARS.

>> OH, MY GOD.

THIS IS GETTING WEIRD.

LIZ, SHE'S A BROADWAY

SONGSTRESS.

>> ACTRESS, SINGER.

>> RIGHT.

>> SO IT FITS THE PROFILE OF THE

KIND OF GIRLS THAT SAMMIE

FOLLOWS.

>> TOTALLY.

>> SHE'S LIKE A SERIAL SUPER

FAN, AND NEEDS VALIDATION FROM

CELEBRITIES.

BUT MOST SUPER FANS DON'T GO

THIS FAR.

>> ON HER PINTEREST PAGE, IF YOU

GO TO HER PINS, MARISSA VON

BLEICKEN, IN TERMS OF @MARISSA.

>> SHE WAS A CONTENDER IN THE

FIRST SEASON OF THE GLEE

PROJECT.

>> SHE CREATED THIS

@MARISSACAMPAIGN TWITTER

ACCOUNT THAT THEN BECAME REESE.

SHE'S NOW ATTACHED TO LIZ

[bleep] AND OBVIOUSLY HAS A

SOFT SPOT FOR TRACIE.

ALL FEMALE MUSICAN-ACTRESSES.

SHE'S GOT HER TYPE.

CREEPY.

NOW, THE QUESTION IS, WHAT WAS

MARISSA'S EXPERIENCE WITH

SAMMIE?

IS IT STILL GOING ON?

>> LET'S MESSAGE HER.

"HEY, MARISSA.

THIS IS NEV FROM THE MTV SHOW,

CATFISH.

WE ARE WORKING ON A STORY NOW

THAT INVOLVES YOU AND ONE OF

YOUR TWITTER FANS.

WE WOULD LOVE TO SPEAK TO YOU.

IF YOU WANT TO HELP AND DON'T

MIND BEING ON TV, 'WINKY FACE,'

GIVE ME A CALL."

SAMMIE ALSO CURRENTLY RUNS A FAN

ACCOUNT FOR LIZ [bleep], AND I'M

GONNA DIRECT MESSAGE HER.

"HEY, LIZ.

LET ME KNOW IF YOU'RE FREE TO

CHAT.

CHEERS."

'CAUSE IF NOTHING ELSE, I WANT

TO ALERT HER TO THE FACT THAT

SHE'S GOT A CRAZY SUPER FAN.

[phone buzzes]

OH.

WHO'S THIS?

HELLO.

>> IT IS.

IS THIS MARISSA?

>> AMAZING.

>> SO ARE WE.

>> I'M DYING TO KNOW, DO YOU

HAVE A FAN BY THE NAME OF

SAMANTHA DAVIS?

>> OKAY, THAT FITS OUR

STORYLINE.

WHERE'D YOU SAY YOU--YOU WERE

RIGHT NOW?

>> OH.

MAYBE WE COULD MEET UP WITH YOU.

>> OKAY, GREAT.

>> BYE.

>> NOW WE'VE GOT LEADS.

WE'RE GONNA MEET WITH MARISSA.

WE CAN TALK TO TRACIE'S FRIEND,

LOTTI.

>> RIGHT.

SAMMIE CATFISHED HER.

THEY MIGHT NOT EVEN REALIZE THAT

THERE ARE OTHER FAKE ACCOUNTS

THAT THEY COULD BE INTERACTING

WITH THAT COULD BE MANNED BY

SAMMIE.

I MEAN, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT

SHE'S CAPABLE OF.

>> RIGHT.

>> ALL RIGHT.

LORD KNOWS WHAT'S LURKING AROUND

ON THERE.

>> SO RIGHT NOW, THE PLAN IS TO

HEAD OVER TO LOTTI'S.

MARISSA'S GONNA MEET US THERE.

WE CAN TALK TO BOTH OF THEM, GET

A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL FROM

LOTTI ABOUT HER WHOLE CRAZY

STORY, AND SEE IF MARISSA'S

STILL TALKING TO THIS GIRL.

BECAUSE WHAT WE REALLY NEED TO

KNOW IS IS SAMMIE STILL TOYING

WITH CELEBRITIES?

>> I'M MAX.

NICE TO MEET YOU.

>> HI.

>> HI.

>> NEV.

>> HI.

>> HI, EVERYBODY.

>> YEAH.

>> COME ON IN.

>> HERE, EVERYONE HAVE A SEAT.

>> WHAT IS YOUR RELATIONSHIP,

PAST AND PRESENT,

WITH SAMANTHA DAVIS?

>> I WOULD CALL HER, I GUESS,

PROBABLY ONE OF MY MOST ZEALOUS

FANS.

SHE WOULD CONTACT ME THROUGH

SOCIAL MEDIA.

SHE MADE ANOTHER ACCOUNT CALLED

@MARISSACAMPAIGN.

>> I KNOW WHO YOU ARE NOW.

OKAY, SORRY.

GO ON.

>> I DID BRING THE FAN MAIL.

>> WHOA.

>> THIS IS JUST FROM HER.

SHE WROTE THESE FAN FICTION

STORIES.

SHE ALSO WROTE ME A POEM.

>> THIS IS THE POEM.

>> HMM.

>> WOW.

THIS IS A POEM IN THE SHAPE OF A

HEART.

"YOU ARE THE THOUGHT THAT STARTS

EACH MORNING, THE CONCLUSION TO

EACH DAY.

YOU ARE THE SMILE ON MY FACE,

THE TWINKLE IN MY EYE,

THE WARMTH INSIDE MY HEART.

I WILL ALWAYS LOVE YOU."

WELL, THAT'S A LITTLE STRANGE.

DID YOU EVER WRITE BACK TO HER?

>> DUE TO THE--THE CONTENT AND

THE NATURE, THE INTENSITY OF IT,

I DIDN'T, BUT A HUGE PART OF ME

FELT COMPELLED TO.

>> MM-HMM.

THAT SAME GIRL WHO SENT YOU ALL

OF THAT INTENSE FAN MAIL

CATFISHED ME AND TRACIE THOMS.

I WAS DEVASTATED.

SAMMIE PRETENDED TO BE A GIRL

NAMED REESE, GAVE HER CANCER,

AND KILLED HER OFF TO GET OUR

SYMPATHY.

REESE NEVER EXISTED.

AND THEN WE FOUND OUT REESE'S

TWITTER HANDLE, @TNTSHEART, WAS

PREVIOUSLY @MARISSACAMPAIGN.

SO THE TWITTER ACCOUNT SHE USED

TO TWEET YOU ALL THAT FAN STUFF,

SHE THEN TURNED INTO REESE.

>> [sighs]

>> W-WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME DO

YOU REMEMBER HAVING ANY

INTERACTION WITH SAMMIE?

>> FEW MONTHS AGO MAYBE?

>> WHAT ACCOUNT WAS IT?

>> SOMETHING LIKE

@TWISTED_LIZBIAN OR SOMETHING.

>> OH.

>> YEAH.

WE ALSO THINK THAT'S HER CURRENT

TWITTER ACCOUNT.

BUT IT DEFINITELY SEEMS AS

THOUGH SHE IS STILL ENGAGING

WITH CELEBRITIES AND OTHER

PEOPLE.

>> I'M ACTUALLY GONNA PULL UP

TWITTER 'CAUSE NOW I'M HONESTLY

CURIOUS.

>> RIGHT.

5>> AND I WANT TO SEE WHAT MY

COMMUNICATION'S BEEN, IF ANY,

WITH HER.

WAIT.

SHE IS FOLLOWING ME.

OH, MY GOD.

>> SHE'S STILL LURKING.

>> * BUT ONE THING'S *

* FOR CERTAIN

* OH, WHEN IT COMES

* MY TIME

* I'LL LEAVE THIS OLD WORLD *

>> all: * YOU KNOW I'LL *

* LEAVE IT

>> [vocalizing]

* YEAH

>> all: * BEHIND

>> HI, GUYS.

>> [laughs]

>> YOU GUYS ARE GREAT.

WE DON'T WANT TO--WE DON'T WANT

TO INTERRUPT.

>> OKAY, WELL, LET ME FIND OUT

MY FATE.

>> ALL RIGHT.

>> SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING.

>> HURRY BACK.

>> ALL RIGHT, LET'S DO THIS.

>> THIS MORNING, WE WENT OVER TO

LOTTI'S OFFICE.

>> UH-HUH.

>> AND MARISSA, WHO AS YOU

REMEMBER WAS ON

THE GLEE PROJECT, MET US THERE.

>> REALLY?

>> SO MARISSA, SHE WENT INTO A

PRETTY INTERESTING STORY.

WHEN SHE WAS ON THE GLEE

PROJECT, SHE HAD A LOT OF FANS

REACH OUT TO HER,

ONE IN PARTICULAR.

>> SAMMIE.

>> SAMMIE.

>> YEAH.

>> WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, LIKE,

SOME SERIOUS FAN MAIL.

>> WOW.

>> YEAH.

OKAY?

BUT THIS IS PRETTY INTERESTING.

LIKE, I ALREADY READ IT.

IT'S--

>> "I'M ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT

TEND TO LOVE AND LOVE HARD.

IT'S MORE LIKE I CAN SHOW YOU

MORE THAN I CAN TELL YOU.

WHAT CAN I SAY WITHOUT SOUNDING

LIKE A COMPLETE CREEPER?

IT'S THAT INSECURITY THING EVERY

FAN HAS, THAT FEAR OF FREAKING

OUT THEIR FAVORITE PERSON.

BUT LIKE I SAID, I LOVE HARD.

SAM."

WHOO.

OKAY.

>> SHE CAN EXPRESS HERSELF

PRETTY WELL.

I MEAN, SHE'S GOOD AT IT.

BUT, LIKE, SHE SAID SHE LOVES

HARD, AND SHE DOESN'T LET GO.

>> OF COURSE, THAT'S WHAT MY BIG

FEAR WAS.

>> RIGHT.

>> SO THEN WE FOUND HER

FACEBOOK PAGE.

WE WENT THROUGH HER PHOTOS.

SHE'S GOT A KID.

>> WOW.

>> WHEN WE GO TO HER ABOUT PAGE.

BAM, WEBSITES AND A TWITTER

PAGE.

>> "TWISTED_LIZBIAN."

>> IT'S A LIZ [bleep]

FAN PAGE.

SO IT LOOKS LIKE SHE'S SORT OF

MOVED ON TO THIS GIRL.

>> I WONDER IF SHE FOLLOWS ME.

>> IT WOULDN'T SHOCK ME IF SHE

DOES.

LET'S GO TO HER PAGE AND SEE

WHO SHE FOLLOWS.

OH, BOY.

THERE IT IS.

>> SHE DOES FOLLOW YOU.

SHE'S BEEN WATCHING YOU.

>> PROBABLY TWEETED AT YOU.

>> SHE PROBABLY HAS, AND KNOWING

ME, I PROBABLY RESPONDED.

>> THE REALLY SCARY THING IS

THAT THIS GIRL, WHO KNOWS HOW

MUCH SHE HURT YOU AND HOW UPSET

YOU WERE, HAS DELIBERATELY GONE

OUT OF HER WAY TO TRICK YOU INTO

CONTINUING TO BE IN TOUCH WITH

HER AND HASN'T STOPPED.

>> IT'S FRIGHTENING BECAUSE,

LIKE, WHAT IS THIS PERSON

CAPABLE OF?

THAT'S ONE PLACE WHERE I HAVE

PAUSE ON EVEN MOVING FORWARD.

WE'RE DEALING WITH SOMEONE WHO

IS, YOU KNOW, OBSESSED, AND--AND

THEREFORE, MAY BE PERHAPS

DANGEROUS.

>> SO WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO?

>> I FEEL LIKE I KIND OF

PROBABLY NEED TO GET IT OUT.

THAT MAKE SENSE?

>> SO WE'RE GOING?

>> SO I THINK WE SHOULD GO.

SO I SAY WE SEND HER A FACEBOOK

MESSAGE.

>> YES.

>> COOL?

>> YEAH.

>> OKAY.

"HEY, SAMMIE.

THIS IS NEV FROM CATFISH ON MTV.

MAX AND I ARE WORKING ON AN

EPISODE NOW AND WOULD LOVE TO

TALK TO YOU.

WE'VE SPENT THE LAST FEW DAYS

WITH TRACIE THOMS.

TRACIE HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS.

WE JUST WANT TO HEAR YOUR SIDE

OF THE STORY.

PLEASE GIVE ME A CALL, A.S.A.P."

I HAVE A FEELING SHE'LL PROBABLY

SEE THAT SOON AND BE CURIOUS.

>> OKAY.

>> AS SOON AS I HEAR FROM HER,

I'LL LET YOU GUYS KNOW.

LET'S JUST BE READY, IN CASE

SH--I SPEAK TO HER, AND SHE

AGREES, SO WE CAN GET ON A PLANE

TOMORROW MORNING.

>> OKAY.

GOD, I'M A LITTLE WORRIED.

>> LET'S CHECK FACEBOOK AND SEE

IF WE GOT ANYTHING.

MESSAGES.

NO.

>> NO MESSAGES.

>> NOTHING, REALLY?

>> OH!

OH, WE DO HAVE A MESSAGE.

>> WHOA, YES.

WE DO HAVE A MESSAGE.

SAMMIE WROTE BACK, "MY HEART

DROPPED TO THE FLOOR WHEN I READ

THIS.

I'M REALLY NERVOUS NOW.

YOU CAN CALL ME IF YOU WANT."

YES.

[phone ringing]

>> GOOD MORNING.

IS THIS SAMMIE?

YEAH, HI, THIS IS NEV AND MAX

FROM CATFISH.

THANK YOU FOR RESPONDING TO

OUR MESSAGE LAST NIGHT.

THIS WHOLE SITUATION MUST BRING

UP SOME PER--PERHAPS DIFFICULT

FEELINGS FOR YOU.

I JUST WANTED TO DISCUSS THE

POSSIBILITY OF US COMING TO MEET

YOU WITH TRACIE.

MAYBE SORT OF FIND SOME

RESOLUTION TO THIS WHOLE CRAZY

STORY.

>> [sighs]

>> MIGHT BE DIFFICULT AND

PERHAPS UNCOMFORTABLE.

BUT GENERALLY THOSE ARE THE

SITUATIONS THAT TEACH US THINGS,

AND THAT'S SORT OF WHAT WE'RE

TRYING TO DO HERE.

ALL RIGHT, THANKS, SAMMIE.

LET'S LET TRACIE KNOW.

[phone ringing]

I JUST GOT OFF THE PHONE WITH

SAMMIE.

>> UH-HUH.

>> OBVIOUSLY, SHE'S VERY

NERVOUS, BUT SHE'S AGREED TO DO

IT.

SO WE SHOULD BASICALLY GET

GOING BECAUSE IF WE'RE GONNA

FLY TO PHILADELPHIA, WE NEED TO

LEAVE SOON.

>> OH.

>> YEAH, IT'S GONNA HAPPEN.

WHY DON'T WE JUST MEET UP AT

THE AIRPORT?

BYE.

>> ALL RIGHT, COME ON.

HERE WE GO.

>> EW.

>> [laughs]

>> TAKE CARE OF EACH OTHER.

>> THUS BEGINS THE LONG ROAD TO

PHILLY.

>> BYE, L.A.

I'LL MISS YOU.

>> HERE WE ARE.

>> UH, MS. THOMS?

MS. THOMS?

>> * WHEN I'M LOOKING *

* AT THE FLOOR

* I WATCH YOUR FEET

* AS YOU WALK ON BY

>> [laughs]

>> * SHE WON'T GO MY WAY *

* NOT EVEN WHEN I

* CALL HER NAME

* SHE WON'T EVEN NOTICE ME *

* I LOVE HER JUST THE SAME

* YEAH, YEAH, YEAH

* YEAH, YEAH, YEAH

* OW, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH

>> WE'RE GONNA GO LOOK AT THE

DARK SIDE OF SUPER FANS.

>> FEELINGS OF, LIKE, "OH, I

LIKED HER," HAVE COME BACK.

I MEAN, THE GIRL MADE UP ANOTHER

GIRL, GAVE HER CANCER, AND DIED

FOR ATTENTION.

BUT YET, STILL, THROUGH ALL

OF THAT, I FEEL SOME KIND OF

COMPASSION FOR THAT SOMETIMES.

THEN I GET MAD AT MYSELF FOR

FEELING THAT WAY.

>> * BABY, MY HEART AND SOUL

* A GIANT IN THE ROOM

* I LEFT LONG HIM AGO

* FOLLOWING YOU

>> WHY IS SHE ONLY REACHING OUT

TO CELEBRITIES?

SHE'S ONLY SEEKING OUT

RELATIONSHIPS WHERE THE OTHER

PERSON HAS A HIGH STATUS.

>> * THERE'S NO WAY OUT *

>> THEY'LL--SEE, ALL THESE

PEOPLE SAY, "THAT'S JUST

TWITTER."

IT'S NOT TWITTER.

IT'S MY LIFE.

IT'S REAL.

'CAUSE ON THE OTHER END OF THAT

TWITTER, THERE IS A PERSON.

>> WELL, HERE WE ARE IN ARDMORE.

>> ARDMORE STATION CAFE.

UM, OH, HERE IT IS.

>> OKAY, YOU KNOW WHAT?

WHAT'S GONNA BE IS GONNA BE.

I'M GONNA TRY TO JUST LET IT

HAPPEN.

OH, MY GOD.

WHAT AM I DOING?

>> I FEEL LIKE I SHOULD GO SEE

IF SHE'S INSIDE.

SHE'S NOT IN THERE.

>> OKAY.

>> IT'S AFTER LUNCH, SO

THERE'S--IT'S JUST EMPTY.

>> I'M HAVING THESE MOMENTS OF

FEELING LIKE A COMPLETE CHUMP.

WHAT IF SHE STANDS US UP?

>> IT'S POSSIBLE.

>> THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING.

>> IS THAT HER?

THAT'S HER, RIGHT?

>> [laughs nervously]

>> HELLO.

>> HI.

>> HOW ARE YOU DOING?

>> I'M GOOD, HOW ARE YOU?

>> GOOD TO MEET YOU.

>> NICE TO MEET YOU.

>> NEV.

MAX.

>> I'M MAX.

>> HELLO.

>> NICE TO MEET YOU.

>> NICE TO MEET YOU.

HI.

>> TRACIE, WHO YOU KNOW.

>> IT'S NICE TO SEE YOU.

>> DID YOU EVER THINK THIS KIND

OF THING WOULD HAPPEN?

>> NO, NOT AT ALL.

>> SO WHEN YOU CREATED REESE,

WAS THE PLAN TO GIVE HER CANCER

AND KILL HER IMMEDIATELY?

>> NO.

IT WASN'T.

THAT WAS--I DECIDED TO DO THAT

AFTER I REALIZED IT GOT TOO FAR.

>> WHOSE FUNERAL WAS THAT?

>> MY COUSIN'S.

>> SO YOUR COUSIN DIED?

>> YEAH.

>> YOU WENT TO YOUR COUSIN'S

FUNERAL AND FILMED IT.

WHAT?

>> THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS.

I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO SIT

DOWN AND GO OVER THIS.

>> OKAY.

>> SO WHY DON'T YOU START

WITH, WHO ARE YOU?

>> SAMMIE.

I WAS BORN AND RAISED HERE IN

THIS SMALL TOWN, IN ARDMORE.

AND THEN I'M AN ONLY CHILD, SO I

WAS A LONER IN SCHOOL.

AND SO I GOT REALLY INVOLVED IN

THE INTERNET.

YOU KNOW, I MADE A LOT OF, LIKE,

INTERNET FRIENDS AND ODD STUFF.

SO IT WAS PRETTY, PRETTY

COMFORTABLE ONLINE, WHEREAS

OPPOSED TO REAL LIFE.

>> YOU'VE EXPRESSED FROM THE

INFORMATION THAT YOU'VE POSTED

ONLINE THAT YOUR SEXUALITY IS

SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE FIGURING

OUT.

>> WHEN I FOUND OUT THAT I WAS

GAY?

YEAH.

>> YEAH.

>> I'VE ALWAYS KNOWN.

AND I KEPT THAT UNDER WRAPS.

THAT'S WHY I GOT A BOYFRIEND.

I'M JUST HAPPY THAT AFTER MY

SON WAS BORN THAT I COULD END

IT 'CAUSE I WAS JUST NOT HAPPY

AT ALL.

>> SO WHEN DID YOU DISCOVER

MARISSA?

>> WHEN SHE GOT VOTED OFF

THE GLEE PROJECT, I DECIDED TO

START @MARISSACAMPAIGN, YOU

KNOW, LIKE, LET'S GET HER ON

GLEE.

>> THEN AT SOME POINT, YOUR

ATTENTION STARTS TO SHIFT.

>> I WAS MORE OF A TRACIE FAN

THEN THAN, YOU KNOW, ANYBODY

ELSE.

>> WAS THERE ANY ATTRACTION?

>> NOT IN A WEIRD WAY.

ANY INTERACTION ON TWITTER FROM

YOUR FAVORITE CELEBRITY IS,

LIKE, THE BEST THING EVER.

MAKES YOU FEEL SPECIAL, IN A

WAY.

THAT'S WHEN THE IDEA POPPED IN

MY HEAD.

>> WHAT IDEA?

>> TO CREATE ANOTHER PERSON

UNDER THAT ACCOUNT.

I JUST THOUGHT THAT IF I DID

THAT, I WOULD JUST GET DOUBLE

INTERACTIONS.

BUT KILLING OFF REESE WAS

ALREADY GOING TO BE, LIKE, THE

ACTUAL ENDING.

>> BUT THAT'S A PRETTY EXTREME

ATTENTION GRABBER TO--TO SAY

THAT SOMEONE IS DEAD.

WAS THERE ANY SENSE IN YOUR HEAD

THAT, LIKE, THIS WAS WRONG?

>> THAT--THAT DIDN'T POP IN MY

HEAD.

>> WHAT ABOUT JUST FEELING BAD?

>> I FELT REALLY, REALLY BAD

AFTER.

>> AFTER WHAT?

>> AFTER YOU GOT CAUGHT?

>> AFTER I GOT CAUGHT.

>> THIS THING THAT YOU CREATED

WAS EXTREMELY UPSETTING,

PAINFUL.

ALL THE ENERGY I GAVE YOU,

IT JUST WASN'T ENOUGH FOR YOU.

LIKE, NOTHING--WHAT WAS GONNA BE

ENOUGH?

IF WE KEPT TALKING TO YOU,

WE WOULD STILL TO THIS DAY BE

REFERRING TO YOUR DEAD FRIEND,

REESE.

LIKE, FOREVER.

>> YEAH.

>> YOU'D HAVE KEPT THAT GOING

FOREVER.

>> PROBABLY, YEAH.

>> THE WEIRD THING IS THAT YOU

EVEN GOT SOME GENUINE EARNED

ATTENTION FROM YOUR EFFORTS TO

SORT OF HELP TRACIE.

YOU GOT THEIR ATTENTION IN MANY

WAYS BECAUSE OF THE PERSON THAT

YOU ARE, AND--AND YOUR

CREATIVITY.

IT COMES DOWN TO SORT OF JUST

HOW YOU VALUE YOURSELF, YOUR

SELF-WORTH.

>> THAT MAKES SENSE.

>> ONCE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO

THINK ABOUT IT, EVEN JUST A

LITTLE BIT TONIGHT, TOMORROW WE

CAN MAYBE PICK BACK UP AND TRY

TO MAKE SOME STEPS FORWARD.

OKAY.

GOODNIGHT.

>> BYE.

>> THAT WAS WEIRD.

I THINK SHE WAS SO GUARDED.

>> SHE SEEMS PRETTY

OUT OF TOUCH.

I THINK THAT SHE SPECIFICALLY

DOESN'T REALLY GET WHEN SHE'S

DOING THESE THINGS THAT SHE'S

DOING SOMETHING WRONG UNTIL

SHE'S TOLD THAT THEY'RE WRONG.

>> TILL SHE'S TOLD THEY'RE

WRONG.

IT'S WEIRD, RIGHT?

>> both: YEAH.

>> TOTALLY WEIRD.

>> WE CAN HELP THIS GIRL CHANGE

HER LIFE TOMORROW.

AND YOU, OF ALL PEOPLE, HAVE THE

KEY.

>> I HOPE SO.

>> THIS EPISODE OF CATFISH: THE

TV SHOW CONTINUES NOW.

>> OH, BOY.

>> WHAT, YOU GOT SOMETHING?

>> LOTS OF TEXTS.

>> REALLY?

>> YEAH.

>> FROM WHO?

>> FROM SAMMIE.

"I'M SORRY THAT I WASN'T MUCH

HELP.

I JUST DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO REACT.

MY EMOTIONS REALLY HAVE GOTTEN

THE BEST OF ME.

I'M SERIOUSLY SITTING DOWN AND

TAKING EVERYTHING IN.

WILL YOU COME TO MY HOUSE?"

>> I WONDER WHAT CONCLUSION SHE

CAME TO.

I JUST WANT TO LISTEN.

TODAY I WANT TO LISTEN.

>> WE'RE SUPPOSED TO GO IN OVER

HERE.

>> HI.

>> HI.

>> OKAY.

>> THANKS FOR HAVING US OVER.

>> SURE.

>> YEAH.

>> SO WE LEFT YESTERDAY ON A

PRETTY STRANGE NOTE.

DID YOU THINK ABOUT MAYBE WHY

YOU CHOSE TO CREATE REESE AND

KILL HER OFF AND GO THROUGH

THAT WHOLE CHARADE?

>> I DID TRY TO THINK ABOUT WHY.

BUT I THINK WHAT POPPED IN MY

HEAD MORE WAS WHY I CHOSE YOU.

BECAUSE OF THE ATTENTION THAT I

WAS GETTING FROM YOU, I SAW YOU

MORE LIKE A BIG SISTER.

>> MM-HMM.

>> AND I DON'T HAVE A SISTER,

I DON'T HAVE A BROTHER, STUFF

LIKE THAT.

AND BECAUSE MY FRIENDS IN THE

REAL WORLD WEREN'T REALLY

SUPPORTIVE OF ME, AND, LIKE, THE

THINGS I ENJOY IN MY LIFE.

>> MM-HMM.

>> SO I GUESS CREATING REESE,

SOMEBODY THAT COULD "FANGIRL"

WITH ME AND ALL THAT STUFF.

>> UH-HUH.

>> AND I THINK THAT'S THE POINT

WHERE I WENT OVERBOARD.

AND I GOT ATTACHED

TO THAT CARING AND SYMPATHY.

>> BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T HAVE IT IN

YOUR LIFE?

>> YEAH.

>> IT'S A INTERESTING THOUGHT

THAT I HADN'T THOUGHT OF BEFORE.

YOU CREATED THIS RELATIONSHIP

ONLINE WITH A BEST FRIEND FOR

YOURSELF BECAUSE THAT WAS

SOMETHING YOU WERE CRAVING.

AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I

NEVER CONSIDERED.

>> HISTORICALLY, HAVE YOU BEEN

ABLE TO GO TO YOUR PARENTS WITH

YOUR PROBLEMS?

>> NO.

I NEVER DID.

JUST 'CAUSE I--THEY WOULDN'T

UNDERSTAND.

>> AND THERE'S A REASON WHY ALL

THESE PEOPLE THAT YOU ADMIRE

ONLINE RESPOND TO YOU.

BECAUSE OF YOU.

WE IDENTIFIED WITH YOU.

WE LIKED YOU.

YOU WERE ENOUGH.

LIKE, YOU ARE ENOUGH.

YOU'RE ALWAYS GONNA BE ENOUGH.

YOU'RE TALENTED.

YOU HAVE A MIND THAT'S LOVELY

AND AMAZING.

>> THANK YOU.

>> AND IF YOU TAKE ALL OF THAT

ENERGY, WRITE SOMETHING, SHOOT

IT, CUT IT, MAKE SOMETHING, AND

THEN YOU'LL GET ATTENTION FOR

YOUR TALENT AND YOUR ABILITY.

>> I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S

NEWS TO YOU 'CAUSE YOU WERE

EARNING PEOPLE'S RESPECT AND

LOVE BY DOING A GOOD JOB FOR

THEM.

AND YOU'RE CLEARLY A WRITER.

>> RIGHT.

>> LIKE, SOMEONE WHO WRITES

WITHOUT ASSIGNMENT, JUST

AUTOMATICALLY, BECAUSE THEY NEED

TO.

>> I ALSO THINK THERE'S

SOMETHING REALLY INTERESTING

ABOUT YOU AND YOUR STORY AND

GROWING UP WITH DEAF PARENTS

AND BEING GAY AND HAVING A

BOYFRIEND AND A CHILD, AND--I

MEAN, THAT'S REALLY INTERESTING

AND CERTAINLY A GOOD START FOR A

STORY ABOUT SOMEONE A LOT LIKE

YOU.

>> I LIKE THAT.

LIKE, ONE DAY, I CAN PROBABLY,

LIKE, PUT MY CREATIVITY AND MY

FEELINGS INTO ONE THING AND

CREATE SOMETHING.

I NEVER WOULD'VE IDENTIFIED MY

FEELINGS IN THE WAY THAT YOU

GUYS DID FOR ME.

I SEE THE WAY YOU'RE PUTTING IT.

LIKE, IT'S DEFINITELY, LIKE, A

WAKEUP, KIND OF EXPANDING MY

MIND KIND OF THING.

AND I'M GONNA TAKE THAT WITH ME

FOREVER.

IT'S REALLY BRUTAL WHAT I DID.

I DO KNOW THE EFFECT THAT I HAD

ON YOU GUYS, AND I REALLY AM

TRULY AM SORRY.

I REALLY AM.

I'M GLAD I ACTUALLY GOT TO

APOLOGIZE TO YOU FACE-TO-FACE.

>> WELL, I ACCEPT YOUR APOLOGY.

>> 'KAY.

>> COME HERE.

>> * DON'T YOU WALK THE LINE *

* WALK THAT STRAIGHT

* AND NARROW

>> IT WAS NICE TO MEET YOU,

SAMMIE.

>> NICE TO MEET YOU TOO.

>> ALL RIGHT, SAMMIE.

>> SHALL I WALK YOU GUYS OUT?

>> SURE.

>> * DON'T YOU WALK THE LINE *

* WE ARE THE BOW AND ARROW

>> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

>> THIS WAS KIND OF FUN.

[laughter]

>> AND I LOOK FORWARD TO READING

OR SEEING SOMETHING FROM YOU.

WE'LL--WE'LL BE FOLLOWING YOU.

>> OKAY, COOL.

[laughs]

>> BYE, SAMMIE.

[sighs]

>> BYE.

HAVE FUN, GUYS.

>> YOU TOO.

[phone rings]

>> HI.

>> TRACIE.

>> HEY.

NICE TO SEE YOU.

>> GOOD TO SEE YOU GUYS TOO.

>> HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THE

WHOLE THING?

>> I THINK THE BIGGEST LEARNING

MOMENT FROM THAT WHOLE THING WAS

PROBABLY ON HER END.

SHE REALLY IS SUCH A TALENTED

GIRL AND SUCH A CREATIVE BEING,

AND I-I JUST REALLY HOPE THAT--

THAT, YOU KNOW, SHE CAN GO

FORWARD, AND--AND I'LL BE BUYING

HER BOOKS ONE DAY.

>> AWESOME, TRACIE.

IT WAS GOOD TO TALK TO YOU.

>> ALL RIGHT.

SEE YOU GUYS IN L.A..

>> [laughs]

>> BYE.

>> BYE.

[phone rings]

>> HI.

>> SAMMIE.

>> HI.

>> HOW YOU DOING?

>> PRETTY GOOD.

PRETTY GOOD.

>> HOW ARE THINGS WITH YOUR

LITTLE BABY BOY?

>> HE'S DOING GOOD.

THE WEATHER'S NICE, SO WE'RE,

LIKE, GOING OUT EVERY SINGLE

DAY.

SO IT'S FUN.

>> HAVE YOU BEEN ACTIVE AT ALL

IN ANY ACCOUNTS WITH TRACIE OR

LOTTI?

>> NO.

NOT FOLLOWING LOTTI OR TRACIE.

>> HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THE

WHOLE THING?

I MEAN, THAT WAS A PRETTY

INTENSE COUPLE DAYS.

>> IT WAS A VERY GOOD LEARNING

EXPERIENCE.

I MEAN, IT TAUGHT ME ABOUT

MYSELF.

>> I FEEL LIKE WE'RE SEEING A

DIFFERENT SIDE OF YOU RIGHT NOW

THAN WE SAW WHEN WE WERE AT YOUR

HOUSE.

>> YEAH, I'VE BEEN WRITING,

LIKE, A LOT, SO--

>> GREAT, WHAT KIND OF--WHAT

KIND OF WRITING?

>> KIND OF LIKE A DRAMA-COMEDY

KIND OF THING.

'CAUSE I HAVE SO MANY IDEAS.

>> WE'RE EXCITED TO HEAR THINGS

ARE GOING WELL, SO HOPEFULLY

WE'LL SEE YOU SOON.

>> OKAY.

I WILL SEE YOU GUYS LATER.

>> ALL RIGHT.

>> ALL RIGHT.

>> BYE.

>> both: BYE, SAMMIE.

>> HEY, IT'S JOHN.

>> LOOK AT THIS GUY.

>> HE FELL IN LOVE WITH HER

VOICE, AND HE ONLY GOT TO HEAR

IT ONCE.

>> WOULD YOU BE HEARTBROKEN IF

THIS DIDN'T WORK OUT?

>> I THINK I WOULD.

>> WHERE ARE THE FAROE ISLANDS?

>> ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

>> DID WE GET IT WRONG?

>> THIS IS THE RIGHT SPOT.

IS SHE LOOKING THROUGH THE FENCE

OR SOMETHING?

>> FEELING ANYTHING NOW?

>> OH, I'M FEELING A LOT.

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