Catfish: The TV Show (2012–…): Season 3, Episode 4 - Lucille & Kidd Cole - full transcript
Lucille led a simple life until she was asked to work for an up and coming music producer named Kidd Cole. Companies were never paid for their services and one day Kidd couldn't be found. Will Lucille get the answers she needs?
>> I JUST WANT TO ASK HIM WHY.
>> MAYBE HE THINKS THAT HE CAN
SORT OF JUST TALK HIS WAY OUT OF
IT.
>> WELL...
>> EITHER WAY, HE'S IN FOR A
SURPRISE.
>> YES.
>> LET'S DO THIS.
>> THIS MUST BE PRETTY WEIRD FOR
YOU.
>> VERY.
>> THAT COULD BE HIM.
>> OH, YEAH, THERE HE IS.
>> MM...
>> YOU REALLY THINK HE'S WORKING
WITH KANYE WEST?
>> [humming]
* NEW EPISODE, CATFISH, YEAH *
* SEASON THREE, PRETTY CRAZY
>> [laughs]
>> * MAX IS MY MAN
* HE IS CRAZY
>> * AND SOMETIMES LAZY
>> [humming]
ALL RIGHT.
SEE THAT, RIGHT THERE?
THAT'S AN INDICATION THAT I HAVE
A NEW EMAIL.
>> YEAH, YOU DO.
>> UH-OH.
"SUBJECT--FRIEND OR FRAUD?"
INTERESTING.
"HI, GUYS!
MY NAME IS LUCILLE, AND I'M
CURRENTLY LIVING IN
PHILADELPHIA."
>> WE ARE IN PHILADELPHIA RIGHT
NOW.
>> YEAH.
>> "I'VE HAD A LITTLE
BROTHER/BIG SISTER RELATIONSHIP
FOR A LITTLE OVER A YEAR NOW
WITH A MUSIC PRODUCER NAMED
KIDD COLE.
I FOUND OUT THAT HE WAS THE
YOUNGEST MUSIC PRODUCER SIGNED
TO KANYE WEST'S LABEL,
G.O.O.D. MUSIC.
YOU REALLY THINK HE'S WORKING
WITH KANYE WEST?
WE DIRECT MESSAGE.
I EVENTUALLY GAVE HIM MY NUMBER
AS A FAN AND TOLD HIM THAT IF HE
WERE EVER IN PHILLY TO JUST GIVE
ME A CALL AND WE COULD HANG
OUT."
>> * SO YOU'VE COME A LONG WAY *
* SO YOU'RE BUSY EARNIN' *
* YOU CAN'T GET ENOUGH *
>> "I DIDN'T THINK HE WOULD CALL
BECAUSE WE WAS A CELEBRITY AND
I WAS JUST A FAN AT THE TIME."
>> "HOWEVER, I GOT A CALL OUT OF
THE BLUE FROM SOMEONE WITH A
SLIGHT BRITISH ACCENT NAMED"...
>> both: "MIGUEL"...
>> "INFORMING ME THAT KIDD
WANTED TO INVITE ME AS A SPECIAL
GUEST TO HIS BIRTHDAY PARTY, AND
I WAS SO EXCITED.
AFTER THAT CONVERSATION, MIGUEL
WENT ON TO ASK ME IF I COULD
HELP HIM WITH MAKING SOME CALLS
FOR AN EVENT IN
WASHINGTON, D.C."
WAIT. SO MIGUEL "REPS" KIDD.
>> KIDD COLE.
HE WAS ASKING LUCILLE TO DO SOME
WORK FOR HIM.
>> RIGHT. OKAY.
"HELPING FOR ONE DAY TURNED INTO
TWO WEEKS."
WEIRD.
"I HAD HIRED A SECURITY TEAM AND
DRIVER THAT WAS AT HIS EVERY
BECK AND CALL.
THE SECURITY TEAM, THE DRIVER,
AND I ALL FINANCED WHATEVER HE
NEEDED FOR THE WHOLE TWO WEEKS,
WHICH BASICALLY MEANT THAT I HAD
TO FRONT THE MONEY.
NONE OF US HAVE GOTTEN PAID FOR
OUR SERVICES, AND SOMEONE NEEDS
TO BE HELD RESPONSIBLE.
I REALLY NEED YOUR HELP IN
FINDING OUT IF HE IS WHO HE SAYS
HE IS.
WHO KNOWS HOW MANY OTHER PEOPLE
HE HAS DONE THIS TO?
IT'S NOT RIGHT.
HOPE TO HEAR FROM YOU SOON.
THANKS, LUCILLE."
WOW.
>> THIS IS A VERY STRANGE CASE.
>> YEAH.
>> LET'S CALL HER.
>> HERE WE GO.
[line trilling]
>> HELLO.
>> HI.
>> HEY.
>> HEY.
WHAT'S UP, GUYS?
>> WHAT'S UP, LUCILLE?
THAT WAS, LIKE, THE WEIRDEST
EMAIL.
>> I STILL CAN'T WRAP MY BRAIN
AROUND IT.
I FOUND KIDD ONLINE.
I HAD GAVE HIM MY NUMBER.
THAT'S WHEN I WAS CONTACTED BY
HIS MANAGER, MIGUEL.
HE HAD TOLD ME IF I HELPED HIM
OUT, I WOULD BE COMPENSATED
$1,000.
>> AND DID YOU GET THAT $1,000?
>> NO.
>> AND WHAT WAS HE DOING?
WHERE WAS HE GOING?
>> I HAD SET UP APPEARANCES FOR
KIDD AT HIGH SCHOOLS.
HE WENT TO CONCERTS.
I SET UP HOTEL ROOMS.
IT WAS MAYHEM AFTER THAT.
MIGUEL TEXTS ME FRANTIC,
TALKING ABOUT, "YOU NEED TO GET
HIM FOOD," IN THE MIDDLE OF THE
NIGHT, SENDING HIM MONEY.
>> THIS IS CRAZY.
>> TRUST ME--IT GETS STRANGER.
EVERYBODY STARTS SENDING ME
INVOICES AS FAR AS HOW MUCH
THEIR BILLS WERE.
THE SECURITY TEAM'S BILL WAS
OVER $13,000.
THE DRIVER'S BILL WAS OVER
$8,000.
AND MIGUEL DISAPPEARED.
>> WOW.
>> AND YOU DIDN'T PAY THOSE?
>> NO.
THEY NEVER GOT PAID.
>> HOW DID THIS NOT SEEM REALLY
SKETCHY TO YOU?
>> I HAVE NEVER BEEN IN A
SITUATION LIKE THIS, SO I DIDN'T
KNOW WHAT THE RED FLAGS WERE.
I THOUGHT THAT I WAS GOING TO BE
LEAVING PHILADELPHIA, GETTING
THIS REALLY AWESOME JOB AT A
MAJOR RECORD LABEL.
BUT I'M THE TYPE OF PERSON,
LIKE, "NO, SWEETHEART, YOU'RE
JUST NOT GOING TO RUN OVER ME
AND THINK I'M JUST GOING TO LAY
DOWN AND TAKE IT.
NO."
>> HERE'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO
DO.
WE'RE GOING TO HEAD OUT TO MEET
YOU, AND WE'RE GOING TO GET TO
THE BOTTOM OF THIS.
>> I REALLY NEED YOU GUYS' HELP.
I REALLY DO.
>> ALL RIGHT.
>> ALL RIGHT, GOOD NIGHT.
>> WHO IS KIDD COLE?
CAN WE LOOK HIM UP RIGHT NOW
REALLY QUICKLY?
>> BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SOURCE
OF ALL.
>> OH, MY GOD.
>> LOOK.
HE'S ON THE MTV ARTIST WEBSITE.
"ABOUT KIDD COLE...
JEREZ COLEMAN FLEW TO MANHATTAN,
NEW YORK, TO CONSULT WITH
KANYE WEST."
>> YEAH, G.O.O.D. MUSIC.
"THE NEWEST MEMBER OF
G.O.O.D. MUSIC."
>> I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT
IF THE CON MAN IS KIDD COLE OR
IF IT'S JUST MIGUEL.
>> OR IT'S SOMEONE PRETENDING
TO BE KIDD COLE.
>> WE CAN CATCH THIS GUY.
ALL RIGHT, MAX, GET SOME SLEEP.
I NEED YOU SHARP.
>> SHARP.
>> RIGHT NOW GOT TO PUT ON
SOMETHING PRETTY WARM.
>> * I KNOW
* I'M NEVER GONNA *
* MAKE IT ANYWAY
* I THINK I'M GONNA *
* MAKE IT ANYWAY
>> WE ARE IN LUCILLE'S HOOD.
THIS IS HER RIGHT HERE.
>> IS THAT--
>> * I THINK I'M GONNA *
* MAKE IT TODAY
>> HEY, GUYS.
>> HEY.
>> HEY, LUCILLE.
>> WOW. LOOK AT THIS.
>> HOW YOU DOING?
>> AMAZING.
>> COME ON IN.
Y'ALL STANDING OUT THERE
FREEZING TO DEATH.
>> COME ON, GUYS.
>> MM.
>> SWEET.
[meows]
>> THIS IS POLLY.
>> HEY, POLLY.
>> [laughs]
>> OKAY, LET'S GET RIGHT TO IT.
>> OKAY.
>> SO THERE WAS THIS SORT OF
UNUSUAL AND UNEXPECTED EXCHANGE
WITH KIDD COLE.
WHY WAS THAT EXCITING?
>> HERE I AM PRETTY MUCH
STRUGGLING.
MY JOB'S NOT PAYING ME THAT
MUCH.
BUT THEN I WAS TOLD, "YOU COULD
BE HIRED WITH THE LABEL."
YOU KNOW, THAT WAS, LIKE, THE
BIG LIGHTS.
>> WAS THERE ANY SPECIFIC
MENTION OF THE KIND OF SALARY
YOU'D BE GETTING?
>> I THINK I HAD SETTLED ON,
LIKE, $70,000...
>> WOW.
>> FOR START.
>> YEAH.
>> I FELT MY SHIP HAD CAME IN.
>> AND THEN WHEN IT DIDN'T...
>> [chuckles]
I WANTED TO JUST CURL UP AND
CRY.
I CALLED MY MOM.
I CALLED MY DAD AND TOLD THEM.
I WAS LIKE, "IT'S--IT'S NOT
GOING TO HAPPEN."
I TALKED TO A COUPLE COP FRIENDS
OF MINE.
THEY SAID IT'S REALLY NOTHING
CRIMINAL.
IT'S MORE OF A CIVIL MATTER.
I WOULD PRETTY MUCH HAVE TO TAKE
HIM TO COURT, AND I'M LIKE,
"I DON'T HAVE THE TIME, NOR DO
I HAVE THE MONEY."
SO I JUST WANT TO GET DOWN TO
THE BOTTOM OF IT.
>> AND YOU HAVE ALL THE
CORRESPONDENCE?
>> YES, I DO.
>> LET'S CHECK IT OUT.
>> YEAH.
>> IN THE END OF 2012, FIRST
FOUND OUT ABOUT KIDD.
THAT'S WHEN I FOUND OUT HE HAD
SOME BEATS ON SOUNDCLOUD.
I LISTENED TO HIM.
I FIGURED OUT THAT HE WAS
TALENTED.
I REACHED OUT TO HIM ON TWITTER,
D.M.'D HIM.
THAT GOES ON FOR WEEKS, MONTHS.
I'M TELLING YOU, ME AND THIS BOY
WERE IN CONTACT.
>> THIS IS SERIOUS CONTACT.
>> YEAH.
>> SO YOU DO HAVE A NUMBER FOR
HIM.
>> 202 IS...
>> D.C.
>> THAT'S PROBABLY WHERE THIS
GUY IS.
>> SO THEN I WAS CONTACTED BY
HIS COMANAGER, MIGUEL, ABOUT
BEING INVITED TO HIS BIRTHDAY
PARTY AND THE WHOLE CELEBRITY
GUEST LIST.
>> THE GUESTS INCLUDE
ROBIN THICKE, PHARRELL,
KANYE WEST, AND JADEN SMITH.
>> I WAS EXCITED.
HE SAYS, "I WAS JUST, YOU KNOW,
REACHING OUT TO YOU TO SEE IF
YOU COULD HELP ME WITH SOME
THINGS AS FAR AS KIDD'S
CONCERNED."
SO I WAS PRETTY MUCH THE CONTACT
PERSON TO SET UP EVERYTHING FOR
KIDD COLE FOR WHAT HE WAS GOING
TO BE DOING IN THE D.C. AREA.
THIS WENT ON FOR TWO WEEKS.
I BOOKED APPEARANCES FOR HIM AT
A HIGH SCHOOL.
I WOULD HAVE THE LEAD SECURITY
GUY MAKING SURE THERE WAS AN
ENTRANCE THAT HE CAN COME IN
AND SPEAK TO THE KIDS.
>> OKAY.
>> THEY WOULD HAVE QUESTION AND
ANSWER, AND IT'S LIKE EVERYTHING
THAT I'M DOING IS PRETTY MUCH A
TEST AS FAR AS...
>> SURE.
>> HOW I'M GOING TO PERFORM IF
I'M WITH THE LABEL.
BUT IT WAS A FIASCO WITH HIM.
IT WAS ALWAYS, "NOBODY LOVES ME.
EVERYBODY JUST WANTS TO BE WITH
ME BECAUSE I HAVE MONEY.
I'LL BE BETTER OFF DEAD."
>> HE GOT YOU HOOKED EMOTIONALLY
AND, LIKE, PROFESSIONALLY.
>> PSYCHOLOGICALLY,
PROFESSIONALLY.
>> YEAH.
>> HE ALWAYS THREATENED, "WELL,
I'M GOING TO CALL KANYE.
PEOPLE GOING TO GET FIRED."
>> WHO THREATENED?
>> KIDD.
I'M THINKING I'M GOING TO BE,
YOU KNOW, CHARGED WITH SOMETHING
BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS DONE BY
ME.
>> THIS IS WHAT SCARES ME.
YOU HIRED THE DRIVER.
>> YES.
>> YOU HIRED THE SECURITY GUY.
THEY COULD EASILY THINK THAT YOU
WERE THE ONE EXECUTING THE SCAM.
>> I'M THE PAWN IN ALL THIS.
>> YEAH.
SO HOW DID THIS END?
>> KIDD HAD GIVEN THE DRIVER THE
CONTRACT.
HE CALLS ME SAYING, "I LOOKED AT
THE CONTRACT.
THERE WAS NO CONTACT
INFORMATION.
THERE'S NO ADDRESS,
NO NOTHING."
HE SAID IT'S ALL A FAKE.
I'M LIKE, "OH, MY GOD, LIKE, HOW
ARE THESE PEOPLE GOING TO BE
PAID?"
>> RIGHT.
>> BECAUSE WHEN I SAW THAT
INVOICE, I ALMOST HIT THE FLOOR.
THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE
FAMILIES, WHO--WHO HAVE RENT TO
PAY, LIKE, I MEAN, AND THEY WERE
BANKING ON GETTING PAID FROM
THIS JOB.
>> YOU MUST HAVE CONTACTED
MIGUEL AND SAID, "HEY, WHAT'S
GOING ON?"
YOU HAVE HIS NUMBER.
>> YES, AND HE NEVER RESPONDED.
>> HE KIND OF LEFT YOU...
>> TO FEND FOR MYSELF.
IT'S LIKE HE DISAPPEARED--
NO TEXTS, NO NOTHING.
HE JUST GOT GHOST.
>> AND WHERE IS KIDD COLE?
>> HE CONTACTED ME JUST THIS
MONTH ASKING ME FOR MY CREDIT
CARD INFORMATION BECAUSE HE HAD
A PRESS CONFERENCE TO DO WITH
CNN AND THE TRANSPORTATION
COMPANY NEEDED A VALID CREDIT
CARD ON FILE BECAUSE HIS CREDIT
CARD DECLINED.
LIKE, WHO DOES THAT?
OH, GOD.
I'M IN TROUBLE.
I WANT TO FIND OUT WHAT'S GOING
ON, WHO HE IS, WHY IS HE DOING
THIS, 'CAUSE THIS IS NOT HOW
YOU TREAT SOMEBODY.
>> ALL RIGHT, SO PUT IT ALL IN
AN EMAIL AND GIVE US EVERYTHING
YOU HAVE.
>> OKAY.
>> I WANT TO CATCH THIS GUY.
>> ALL RIGHT.
>> HE MESSED WITH THE WRONG
PERSON.
>> THAT'S RIGHT.
>> ALL RIGHT?
>> OKAY, BYE.
>> BYE.
>> THE WHOLE STORY IS
COMPLICATED.
THERE'S LOTS OF PARTS AND
PLAYERS AND MONIES.
>> I WANT TO CALL THE LIMO
DRIVERS.
I WANT TO CALL THE SECURITY
GUARDS.
>> BUT BEFORE WE EVEN START
LOOKING INTO THAT, I THINK WE
JUST NEED TO DETERMINE IF
KIDD COLE IS REAL.
>> GIVE ME THE CAMERA.
>> I'LL SHOOT YOU.
>> ALL RIGHT.
I WILL GLADLY LEAD THIS
INVESTIGATION.
FOR TWO WEEKS, LUCILLE WAS
SCAMMED BY THIS GUY, KIDD COLE.
>> OR HIS MANAGER MIGUEL.
>> RIGHT.
>> THIS IS A GIRL WHO CONNECTED
DRIVER, SECURITY TEAMS, THE
WHOLE--
>> COTERIE.
SO NOW LUCILLE, WHO WAS OUT 500
BUCKS....
THE LIMO DRIVER IS OUT $8,000,
AND THE SECURITY DETAIL IS OUT--
>> ALMOST $15,000.
>> SO WHO IS KIDD COLE?
WHO IS MIGUEL?
>> FIRST THINGS FIRST, IS
"KIDD COLE" LEGIT?
>> LOOK, HERE IS THE MTV SITE.
"JEREZ COLEMAN, CURRENTLY KNOWN
BY HIS STAGE NAME KIDD COLE, IS
AN R&B AND CONTEMPORARY LEVEL
MUSIC PRODUCER WHO WAS
DISCOVERED BY HIS FUTURE
MANAGER, MIGUEL."
WE NEED TO CALL ALLISON THIEL,
WHO'S IN CHARGE OF A LOT OF THE
MUSIC THAT GOES ON SHOWS ON MTV.
[line trilling]
HEY, ALLISON, IT'S NEV AND MAX.
>> HEY, ALLISON.
>> WE'RE SHOOTING AN EPISODE
RIGHT NOW.
WHAT ARE THE WAYS IN WHICH
SOMEONE CAN GET ON THE
HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF AN
ARTIST NAMED KIDD COLE?
THIS KID SAYS THAT HE'S SIGNED
AT G.O.O.D. MUSIC.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW
ANYBODY OVER THERE.
OKAY, THANK YOU.
>> WHY DON'T WE JUST TYPE IN
"KIDD COLE" AND SEE IF ANYTHING
COMES UP?
>> ALL RIGHT.
>> WHAT DO WE GOT?
OKAY, LOOK, HERE ARE IMAGES.
THIS IS APPARENTLY A PICTURE OF
HIM WITH KANYE, BUT YOU CAN'T
REALLY TELL WHO THIS IS, AND
THERE'S A SONG FEATURING
KIDD COLE.
SHOULD WE PLAY IT?
>> SURE.
[hip-hop music]
>> ALL RIGHT, SO I'M GOING TO
SOUNDHOUND THIS FOR A SECOND.
AND THERE'S NOTHING.
THE FIRST SONG THAT CAME UP
ISN'T EVEN ATTRIBUTED TO HIM.
ALL RIGHT, LET'S GO TO HIS
SOUNDCLOUD.
HERE'S A SONG BY KIDD COLE.
>> WHOA. WAIT, WAIT.
>> THIS COMES UP.
WE JUST GOT A HIT ON THIS SONG.
IT'S BY LIL MARTIN.
THIS DOESN'T MENTION LIL MARTIN
AT ALL.
>> WE SHOULD LOOK UP THAT ALBUM.
>> RIGHT.
>> ON THE iTUNES PAGE--
LIL MARTIN,
GARY COLEMAN MIXTAPE.
>> OKAY, SO GARY COLEMAN IS A
REAL ALBUM.
>> NO MENTION OF KIDD COLE
ANYWHERE.
LET'S LOOK UP THE NUMBER SHE
HAS FOR KIDD COLE'S MANAGER,
MIGUEL.
WE GOT A HIT.
STONE-COL JEREZ.
KIDD COLE'S REAL NAME...
>> IS JEREZ.
>> SUPPOSEDLY IS JEREZ COLEMAN.
>> IT'S ALL OBVIOUSLY, LIKE, A
PLAY ON WORDS.
>> SO MIGUEL'S PHONE NUMBER IS
REGISTERED TO JEREZ.
LET'S RUN KIDD COLE'S PHONE
NUMBER.
>> [inhales sharply] AGAIN.
>> AGAIN, IT'S JEREZ, IN D.C.
MIGUEL AND KIDD COLE ARE THE
SAME PERSON.
WHAT IF YOU JUST LOOKED UP
"JEREZ COLEMAN" ON GOOGLE?
>> HERE'S A WEB SEARCH FOR
JEREZ.
WOW. THERE'S A FACEBOOK PAGE
CALLED "KIDD COLE SCAM ARTIST"!
>> GO TO THAT.
>> "SCAM ALERT--KIDD COLE SCAM."
"KIDD COLE, AKA JEREZ COLEMAN,
IS A SCAM ARTIST WHO HAVE
SCAMMED MANY IN THE D.C. AREA.
BEWARE."
"I AM MAD AS HELL.
MY BEST FRIEND, LORETTA, HAS
BEEN DUPED BY KIDD COLE.
SHE IS AN INDEPENDENT LIMO
DRIVER AND WAS CONTACTED ON
FEBRUARY 2ND."
>> JUST HAPPENED.
>> WHOA.
"MY FRIEND IS OUT THOUSANDS OF
DOLLARS AND COMPLETELY
DEVASTATED."
"THIS LITTLE SCAM ARTIST SCAMMED
MY TRANSPORTATION COMPANY.
PLEASE BEWARE OF HIM.
I WILL BE POSTING VIDEOS OF THIS
PUNK."
>> WHO'S LORETTA?
WE GOT TO REACH OUT TO HER.
>> "DEAR LORETTA, I HAVE A SHOW
ON MTV CALLED CATFISH."
>> SO I GUESS THIS IS THE KID,
BECAUSE EVERYBODY IS POSTING
ABOUT HIM.
>> THIS GUY JUST SCAMMED SOMEONE
LAST WEEK.
>> SO WE HAVE ONE ANSWER, WHICH
IS THAT HE'S STILL DOING IT.
>> WEIRD.
>> WE'VE GOT A LOT OF
INFORMATION AND EVIDENCE THAT
SORT OF POINTS TO THE D.C.
AREA--THE PHONE NUMBER, THE
PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN SCAMMED.
SO WE KNOW WE CAN GO DOWN THERE
AND POKE AROUND AND MAYBE JUST
TRY AND FIND SOME OF THESE
PEOPLE.
WE'RE ONTO SOMETHING.
WE'RE GOING TO FIGURE OUT WHO HE
IS AND HOW TO STOP HIM.
>> OH, WE GOT ONE.
>> ONE MESSAGE.
>> FROM LORETTA.
>> OH, THAT'S THE WOMAN WHO
RECENTLY GOT SCAMMED, RIGHT?
>> YEAH.
>> "MR. NEV, I HOPE THAT YOU
ARE WHO YOU SAY BECAUSE I CAN'T
TRUST ANYONE THESE DAYS AFTER
KIDD COLE.
I WOULD LOVE TO TELL MY STORY."
>> FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, ALL
WE'VE WANTED TO DO IS GET IN
TOUCH WITH SOMEONE WHO'S HAD AN
IN-PERSON MEETING WITH
KIDD COLE.
RIGHT NOW THAT'S LORETTA.
SO I THINK WE SHOULD GO DOWN TO
D.C.--WE'RE NOT FAR--INTERVIEW
HER.
BUT FIRST, WE GOT TO GO TALK
TO LUCILLE.
>> SO LET'S GO.
ALL RIGHT.
WHEW.
SO WE DID A LOT OF OUR OWN
RESEARCH.
>> OKAY.
>> THIS IS THE KIDD COLE SORT OF
ARTIST PAGE ON MTV'S WEBSITE.
I CALLED THE MUSIC SUPERVISOR
FOR OUR SHOW, AND WHAT SHE TOLD
US IS THAT ANYBODY CAN DO IT.
>> OKAY.
>> OKAY, SO THERE'S THAT.
>> SO THIS IS THE SOUNDCLOUD
PAGE THAT WE FOUND FOR
KIDD COLE, AND WE USED
SOUNDHOUND, AND IT PULLED UP
THIS.
THERE'S AN ALBUM...
>> BY LIL MARTIN ON THE iTUNES
PAGE...
>> CALLED GARY COLEMAN,
THE GARY COLEMAN MIXTAPE.
>> AND NOWHERE ON iTUNES DOES IT
SAY THAT KIDD COLE WORKED ON
THIS OR PRODUCED IT.
>> BASICALLY, WHAT WE'RE SAYING
IS, YOU ASKED US TO FIND OUT IF
KIDD COLE IS LEGIT.
HE'S NOT.
>> I'M--I'M--I'M SPEECHLESS
RIGHT NOW.
I REALLY AM.
>> THEN WE LOOKED UP THIS 202
NUMBER THAT YOU GAVE US FOR
KIDD COLE.
SO THAT CAME UP AS
STONE-COL JEREZ.
AND THEN WHAT'S INTERESTING IS
THAT THE NUMBER YOU HAD FOR
MIGUEL ALSO CAME UP AS
REGISTERED TO STONE-COL JEREZ.
>> [sighs]
>> MIGUEL AND KIDD COLE AND
JEREZ ARE ALL THE SAME PERSON.
>> THEN WE LOOKED UP
JEREZ COLEMAN AGAIN, AND THE
VERY FIRST HIT.
>> SOMEONE STARTED A WHOLE NEW
PAGE WITH A PICTURE OF KIDD, AND
THE BANNER OF THE PAGE--"SCAM
ALERT."
AND IT SAYS, "I AM MAD AS HELL.
MY BEST FRIEND, LORETTA, HAS
BEEN DUPED BY KIDD COLE.
MY FRIEND IS OUT OF THOUSANDS OF
DOLLARS AND COMPLETELY
DEVASTATED."
AS OF EARLIER THIS MONTH,
"JEREZ COLEMAN," OR WHATEVER YOU
WANT TO CALL HIM, STILL GOES BY
"KIDD COLE," AND HE'S STILL
TOTALLY OUT THERE DOING WHAT HE
DOES.
>> I'M SHAKING RIGHT NOW.
I MEAN, 'CAUSE I'M--I'M LIKE...
IT'S NOT JUST ME WHO HE'S DONE
THIS TO.
LIKE, WHY?
'CAUSE YOU JUST DON'T DO THIS TO
HONEST, HARDWORKING PEOPLE THAT
ARE LIVING THEIR LIVES AND, YOU
KNOW, TRYING TO MAKE A LIVING,
YOU KNOW, AND IT'S--IT'S--NO.
IT'S NOT COOL.
LIKE, WHY WOULD YOU GO THROUGH
ALL THIS?
DO YOU WANT TO BE NOTICED THAT
BAD?
AND WHY DID YOU BRING ME INTO
IT?
LIKE, WHY?
>> * HUSTLE YOU
*
* 'CAUSE I'M A HUSTLER *
*
>> EVERYTHING SEEMS TO BE
DIRECTING US TO D.C., WHICH IS
WHERE MOST, IF NOT ALL, OF THIS
ACTIVITY HAS BEEN TAKING PLACE.
>> MM-HMM.
I REALLY WANT TO GET TO THE
BOTTOM OF THIS.
>> YOU READY TO GO TO D.C.?
>> LET'S DO THIS.
>> * NEVER STOP
>> LET'S GO TO D.C.
>> * I'M SHININ' OUT HERE *
* ON THE BLOCK
* EVERY DAY IS ONE STEP
* CLOSER TO THE TOP
[cell phone chimes]
>> OH, BOY, HERE WE GO.
HELLO.
HEY, ALLISON.
YOU SPOKE TO SOMEONE AT
G.O.O.D. MUSIC.
>> ALL RIGHT.
>> YEAH, THAT WAS WHAT WE WERE
WAITING TO HEAR.
>> HE HAS NO AFFILIATION TO
KANYE.
HE'S A TOTAL IMPOSTOR.
>> YEAH.
AND, I MEAN, LIKE, HE WAS
DROPPING NAMES LIKE HE HAD IT
LIKE THAT.
>> * FOR THE TOWN I'M REPPIN' *
* TAKE A SECOND AND RECKON
* DON'T IT SOUND LIKE HEAVEN? *
* THE AIR'S STILL FRESH *
* I BREATHE
* AND WHEN I LEAVE...
>> GET READY FOR A BIG DAY
TOMORROW.
D.C. STANDS FOR "DETECTIVE
CATFISH."
>> OW!
>> GOOD NIGHT.
>> * I'M GONNA SHINE *
* YEAH, YEAH
>> LORETTA, THE LIMO DRIVER WHO
RECENTLY GOT SCAMMED, IS
DOWNSTAIRS.
>> OKAY, LET'S GO MEET HER.
>> YOU MUST BE LORETTA.
>> I'M THE ONE AND ONLY.
HOW ARE YOU?
>> PLEASURE TO MEET YOU.
WE HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS FOR
YOU.
>> NO PROBLEM.
I ALSO BROUGHT THE ITINERARY
THAT THE GENTLEMAN GAVE US...
>> OH, WOW.
>> ALONG WITH THE CONTRACT.
>> THIS LOOKS VERY OFFICIAL.
>> IT DID.
>> LOOK AT THIS.
>> TWO WEEKS AGO.
>> JUST TWO WEEKS AGO.
>> YEAH, EXACTLY.
OUR COMPANY WAS ONE THAT HE
SCAMMED OUT OF ALMOST 8 GRAND.
>> WELL, LET'S DRIVE AROUND A
LITTLE BIT AND SHOW US SOME OF
THE PLACES YOU GUYS WERE GOING
TO.
>> ALL RIGHT, I WILL DO THAT.
OKAY, NO PROBLEM.
>> CAN YOU WALK US THROUGH JUST
THE WHOLE STORY?
>> WE HAD THIS CALL COME FROM A
NEW YORK NUMBER.
AND THEN IT'S LIKE, "HI.
MR. KANYE WEST'S IN-HOUSE
PRODUCER KIDD COLE IS IN TOWN,
AND WE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF YOU
WOULD PROVIDE TRANSPORTATION FOR
HIM."
AND I SAID, "YEAH."
AND WE WENT AND GOOGLED THIS
GENTLEMEN.
HE HAD, LIKE, EVENTS IN D.C.
WHERE HE WAS WITH KANYE WEST AND
JADEN SMITH.
SO THE NEXT DAY WE PICKED
MR. COLE UP.
AFTER THAT, WE WENT TO THIS
PLACE TO EAT AND FOUND OUT THAT
HE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO
PAY THE BILL.
HE TEXTED US THE NEXT DAY, SAID
THAT KIDD COLE WAS ROBBED THE
NIGHT BEFORE, OF HIS WALLET AND
OF $800.
>> YEAH, HE TOLD ME A SIMILAR
STORY ABOUT HOW SOMEBODY ROBBED
HIM.
>> YEAH.
>> AND SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE
REASONS WHY HE WANTED TO HAVE A
WHOLE BUNCH OF SECURITY WITH
HIM, BECAUSE HE HAD GOT ROBBED.
>> OH, MY GOSH.
I TOOK HIM TO H&M, WHERE HE
WANTED ME TO CALL AND ASK FOR
SECURITY TO COME OUTSIDE AND
MEET HIM SO HE CAN GO SHOPPING.
THESE GENTLEMEN WERE STANDING ON
THE CORNER LIKE IT WAS OBAMA.
THEN I GUESS HE STARTED TRUSTING
ME, AND THEN I ALWAYS DROPPED
HIM OFF AT HOME.
THAT'S THE HOUSE I WENT IN AND
VISITED THE GRANDMOTHER.
>> HOW'D YOU END UP GETTING
INSIDE THE HOUSE?
>> OH, YOU DON'T KNOW ME, SIR.
I WENT THE NEXT DAY, AND
I KNOCKED ON THE DOOR AND SAID,
"IS MR. JEREZ COLEMAN THERE?"
SHE'S LIKE, "WHO?"
I SAID, "KIDD COLE."
AND SHE OPENED THE DOOR.
AND SHE SAID, "WELL, NO, HE'S
NOT HERE, BUT HIS MOTHER IS."
THE YOUNG LADY NEVER CAME DOWN
TO EVEN APPROACH ME TO SEE WHY
I WAS THERE ABOUT HER SON.
AND AS I WAS LEAVING, THE
GRANDMA WAS LIKE, "LORETTA,
THEY'VE BEEN STAYING WITH ME FOR
TWO MONTHS.
I THINK THEY'RE HOMELESS."
AND I WAS LIKE, "I GOT HIM."
AND THAT'S ALL I SAID, AND
I WALKED OUT.
>> WOW.
>> I HAVE A FRIEND WHO'S A
PARALEGAL, AND SHE DID AN
INVESTIGATION.
>> SHE SEARCHED JEREZ COLEMAN
AND FOUND HIM.
>> OH, YEAH, AND IT DOES SHOW
HIS ARREST RECORD FOR FRAUD AND
FELONY.
BUT I THINK MONDAY HE HAS TO GO
TO COURT.
SO HE'S GOING TO GET CAUGHT.
>> HOW MUCH MONEY DID YOU
ACTUALLY SPEND?
>> WELL, WE ACTUALLY SPENT--
THESE EXTRA VEHICLES THAT HE
WANTED, WE SUBCONTRACTED THOSE.
I PAID $85 AN HOUR FOR THAT
MERCEDES.
>> OOF.
>> YEAH. HE WAS GOOD.
HE OKEYDOKEY'D US.
LIKE I TOLD HIM ON THE PHONE,
I SAID, "I MAY NOT GET ONE DIME
OUT OF YOU, BUT I'M GOING TO LET
EVERYBODY KNOW WHO YOU ARE AND
WHO YOU'RE NOT, AND I'M GOING TO
HAUNT YOU LIKE A GHOST.
YOU CAN CALL ME 'SPOOKY.'"
THAT'S WHAT I TOLD HIM.
>> [laughs]
>> LORETTA, THIS WAS AN AMAZING
TOUR.
I HOPE YOU GET JUSTICE.
>> OH, I WILL.
[chuckles]
>> TODAY WAS ENLIGHTENING.
>> VERY.
>> IT WAS INTERESTING TO SORT OF
TRACE HIS STEPS.
I THINK ALL THAT'S LEFT TO DO IS
TO JUST TRY TO MEET HIM.
>> YEAH.
>> ALL RIGHT, HERE GOES NOTHING.
[line trilling]
HELLO, IS THIS JEREZ?
HEY, JEREZ.
THIS IS NEV.
I HAVE A TV SHOW ON MTV--
CATFISH.
AND WE'VE BEEN HEARING A LOT
ABOUT YOU AND SORT OF THE FAMOUS
KIDD COLE.
WE'RE JUST HEARING LOTS ABOUT
YOU, MAN.
WE'RE ACTUALLY SITTING WITH YOUR
OLD FRIEND LUCILLE.
HERE, YOU CAN SAY HELLO.
>> WHAT'S UP?
HOW YOU BEEN?
YOU BEEN OKAY?
>> YOU GUYS HAVE HAD THIS
FRIENDSHIP NOW FOR OVER A YEAR,
I THINK, AND SHE WANTS TO
FINALLY MEET YOU.
WE'D LOVE TO HELP FACILITATE
THAT.
ARE YOU IN D.C. OR...?
OH, OKAY.
YEAH, WELL, WE HEARD FROM
LUCILLE THAT YOU WERE, YOU KNOW,
A MUSIC PRODUCER AND AN ARTIST.
WE--WE THOUGHT THAT WAS COOL.
WE SAW YOUR, YOU KNOW, BIO ON
MTV.
I MEAN, I'M A FAN, OBVIOUSLY, OF
KANYE AND G.O.O.D. MUSIC AND
ALL THAT.
I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE COOL FOR
US TO GET TO MEET YOU.
>> UM...
>> ALL RIGHT, MAN.
I MEAN, DOESN'T SEEM TO HAVE HIS
STORY...
>> YEAH.
>> READY.
>> YEAH.
>> YOU KNOW, WE CAUGHT HIM
OFF GUARD, AND YOU COULD TELL HE
WAS SCRAMBLING.
>> I'M NOT WORRIED OF HIM, LIKE,
SLIPPING THROUGH OUR FINGERS.
>> NO, WE GOT HIM.
[cell phone chimes]
>> KIDD COLE.
HE SAID, "HI. WHAT'S UP?
LET'S MEET AT YARDS PARK AT
12:30 IN THE AFTERNOON."
>> LET'S GO GET OUR GIRL.
>> I CAN'T BELIEVE KIDD COLE HAS
ACTUALLY AGREED TO MEET WITH US.
>> WELL, LET'S NOT FORGET WHAT
HE THINKS THIS IS.
HE THINKS YOU WANT TO MEET HIM.
YOU'RE SOMEONE WHO HAS SORT OF
BEEN HIS FRIEND.
>> YES.
>> NOW, I'M SURE HE'S AWARE THAT
YOU ARE PROBABLY A LITTLE
CONFUSED, IF NOT UPSET...
>> YES.
>> ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED.
>> YES.
I JUST WANT TO ASK HIM WHY.
IF YOU'RE TRYING TO GET NOTICED
OR PICKED UP BY A LABEL, THIS
ISN'T HOW YOU DO IT.
>> BUT MAYBE HE THINKS THAT HE
CAN SORT OF JUST TALK HIS WAY
OUT OF IT.
>> WELL...
>> YOU KNOW WHAT?
HE'S IN FOR A SURPRISE.
>> YES.
LET'S DO THIS.
>> HOW ABOUT DOWN THERE?
>> IS THAT HIM OVER THERE?
>> YEAH, YEAH.
>> YEAH, THAT COULD BE HIM.
>> THIS MUST BE PRETTY WEIRD FOR
YOU.
>> VERY.
>> THERE HE HIS.
>> OH, YEAH, THERE HE IS.
>> MM...
[groans]
HEY, YOU.
>> HOW YOU DOING?
>> HOW ARE YOU?
>> I'M DOING GOOD.
>> SURPRISED TO SEE ME?
>> YEAH.
HEY, WHAT'S UP? HOW YOU DOING?
>> HEY. NEV. HOW YOU DOING?
>> NICE TO MEET YOU.
>> MAX.
>> WHAT'S UP?
>> NICE TO MEET YOU.
>> HOW YOU DOING?
>> WHAT'S THE LATEST WITH YOU?
>> YEAH, WHAT'S GOING ON, MAN?
>> I'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, JUST
RELAXING AND STUFF.
WE'RE JUST DOING SOME STUFF DOWN
HERE.
>> HAVE YOU BEEN IN THE STUDIO?
>> YEAH.
I HAVE A COUPLE OF PROJECTS
COMING UP.
>> WHO ARE YOU WORKING WITH?
>> RIGHT NOW I HAVE A PLACE
WITH--RIGHT NOW WITH WALE RIGHT
NOW I'M WORKING ON.
AND THEN I HAVE ANOTHER ONE
WITH--WITH RZA FROM WU TANG.
>> OKAY.
>> HAVE YOU SEEN OUR SHOW EVER?
>> NO, I NEVER, EVER DID.
SO THAT'S IT.
>> WHAT'S THE DEAL WITH YOU?
>> LIKE WHAT?
I'M LOST.
>> YOU'RE LOST?
>> YEAH, REALLY, I AM.
>> YOU WERE HELPING KIDD OUT
LAST YEAR, RIGHT?
>> NOVEMBER, YEAH.
>> LAST NOVEMBER.
>> YEAH.
>> WHAT HAPPENED THERE?
>> WELL, I WAS PRETTY MUCH THE
GO-TO PERSON FOR EVERYTHING.
I WAS SETTING UP SECURITY,
APPEARANCES AT HIGH SCHOOLS.
I WAS TOLD THAT I WAS GOING TO
BE THE EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT WITH
YOU.
>> JUST WANTED TO GET TO KNOW
WHAT'S GOING ON--YOU KNOW,
WHAT'S UP WITH YOU, THAT'S ALL.
I MEAN, DO PEOPLE CALL YOU
"KIDD COLE" OR...?
>> THAT'S WHAT I'M KNOWN BY,
KIDD COLE, YEAH.
>> RIGHT.
YOUR NAME'S JEREZ, RIGHT?
>> YEAH.
>> IT'S KIND OF TOUGH.
WE WANTED TO FIND SOME OF YOUR
MUSIC ONLINE, BUT WE COULDN'T.
WE WERE--
>> MY SOUNDCLOUD?
>> WE WENT ON YOUR SOUNDCLOUD
PAGE, AND WE LOOKED INTO SOME OF
THE SONGS THAT YOU PUT UP THERE,
AND YOU DIDN'T MAKE THEM.
>> ALL MY BEATS ARE
"COPYWRITTEN," AND I HAVE ALL
LEGAL DOCUMENTATION THAT SAY
THAT, SO...
[distant siren wailing]
I'M NOT A FRAUDULENT PERSON.
EVERYTHING I DO IS CORRECT,
SO...
AND I HAVE PEOPLE AROUND ME
THAT'S LIKE--SOME POWERFUL
PEOPLE BEHIND ME, SO...
>> MIGUEL DISAPPEARS.
WERE YOU PRETENDING TO BE MIGUEL
OR--JUST TO GET RODE AROUND IN
CARS?
'CAUSE THERE ARE PEOPLE
RUNNING BUSINESSES THAT HAVE
THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS OF BILLS
THAT AREN'T BEING PAID.
GINO AND THEM IS OWED OVER
$13,000.
WHAT HAPPENED WITH THAT?
YOU REMEMBER THAT?
>> YEAH.
>> WHAT WAS UP WITH THAT?
>> I LIKE THAT CASE.
WHO MAKES THAT?
CAN I SEE THAT?
YOU'VE BEEN PLAYING PEOPLE...
HARD.
>> ACTUALLY, NO, NOT REALLY.
>> YEAH, REALLY.
YOU CAN GO GET IT IF YOU WANT,
BUT I THINK WE'RE ALL BETTER
OFF WITHOUT YOU HAVING IT.
>> I'M--I'M SERIOUS NOW.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET MY
PHONE, 'CAUSE, LIKE, THAT'S,
LIKE, MY PHONE.
>> WHY DON'T YOU ANSWER SOME
QUESTIONS HERE FOR OUR FRIEND
LUCILLE?
>> BUT YOU SHOULD, LIKE, GET MY
PHONE.
>> WELL, THE PHONE'S GONE, SO...
>> I'M NOT REALLY, LIKE, GONNA
BE HOSTILE WITH YOU, 'CAUSE
YOU'RE GROWN, SO...
>> YEAH.
>> BUT THAT'S MY PHONE.
>> IT SUCKS TO LOSE SOMETHING,
DOESN'T IT?
SOMETHING IMPORTANT TO YOU.
>> YOU JUST THREW MY PHONE FOR
NO REASON.
YOU'RE LIKE--
>> ACTUALLY--
>> LOOK, NO, BUT DO YOU KNOW--
WAIT, HOLD ON.
BUT I'M JUST SAYING I NEVER
DISRESPECTED HIM AT ALL.
>> YOU'RE STANDING HERE, AND
YOU'RE LYING TO US,
AND YOU'VE BEEN LYING TO HER.
YOU'VE BEEN TAKING ADVANTAGE OF
PEOPLE, AND WE JUST WANT YOU TO
TELL US WHAT'S UP AND--AND, YOU
KNOW.
>> ACTUALLY, I HAVEN'T.
>> BE HONEST WITH US.
>> HE JUST THREW MY PHONE.
BUT YOU JUST THREW MY PHONE,
THOUGH.
>> STEP--STEP BACK.
>> [bleep].
THAT'S JUST IRRITATING.
>> TALK TO ME.
>> OKAY.
>> ALL RIGHT.
>> [bleep] THESE CAMERAS, MAN.
LISTEN...
>> DID YOU ORCHESTRATE THIS
WHOLE THING?
>> NO.
>> WERE YOU PRETENDING TO BE
MIGUEL OR...?
>> NO.
I DON'T LIKE REVEALING, LIKE--
I'M A VERY PRIVATE PERSON.
I DON'T LIKE REVEALING
EVERYTHING.
>> THESE PEOPLE HAVE BILLS.
LIKE, THEY HAVE $8,000 BILLS.
>> I'M IRRITATED AND...
GET MY PHONE.
IT'S A WRAP FOR TODAY.
>> I OVERREACTED.
I OVERREACTED.
SORRY I LOST MY COOL.
IT WASN'T--WAS NOT AN OKAY THING
TO DO.
I HEARD WE'RE GOING TO TAKE CARE
OF GETTING YOU A NEW PHONE, SO
I HOPE THAT WILL MAKE IT A
LITTLE BIT BETTER.
BUT PLEASE ACCEPT MY APOLOGY.
>> MM-HMM.
GREAT.
>> HEARD FROM KIDD COLE.
HE'S EXCITED TO SHOW US HIS
STUFF.
>> STILL TO THIS DAY, I'M LIKE,
WITH ALL THE INTELLIGENCE THAT
I DO HAVE, LIKE, FOR THIS KID TO
BE SO YOUNG AND TO HAVE DONE
THIS TO ME, I'M LIKE, "YO,
LIKE...
HOW COULD I HAVE NOT SEEN ALL
THE RED FLAGS?"
>> MAYBE THE STRATEGY TODAY IS
TO KIND OF JUST HEAR WHAT HE HAS
TO SAY.
>> NOT GO ON THE ATTACK.
>> YEAH.
SEE IF HE CAN OFFER US AN
EXPLANATION, WHY HE DOES THIS.
>> I MEAN, I WILL QUIETLY
SOUNDHOUND THE SONGS HE'S
PLAYING.
>> HERE IT IS.
YOU GUYS READY?
>> LET'S DO THIS.
>> THERE'S A NOTE ON THE DOOR.
>> THAT SAYS?
>> IT SAYS, "COME IN.
WE ARE DOWNSTAIRS IN THE
STUDIO."
OKAY.
[door creaks]
WOW.
>> NICE PLACE.
>> VERY NICE.
>> HELLO?
>> HELLO.
>> WHAT'S UP, GUYS?
>> HI.
>> HOW YOU GUYS DOING?
HADI.
>> HADI?
>> YEAH.
>> I THINK YESTERDAY WE GOT OFF
ON A, LIKE, LITTLE--
>> ON A BAD FOOT?
>> YEAH.
>> WE'RE JUST KIND OF DOWN TO BE
HERE AND JUST ENJOY THE PROCESS.
>> WHOSE PLACE IS THIS?
>> OH, THIS IS MINE.
>> IT'S REALLY NICE.
>> OH, THANKS.
>> DO YOU LIVE HERE?
>> YEAH, MY PARENTS DO.
>> OH, SWEET.
>> DID YOU, LIKE, MIX ALL THIS
STUFF?
>> YEAH, MOST OF THESE ARTISTS
JUST RECORDED HERE, AND I JUST
MIXED AND ENGINEERED ALL OF
THIS, SO...
>> WOW.
WHAT ARE YOU GUYS WORKING ON
NOW?
>> HE'S PRODUCING A COUPLE OF
TRACKS.
>> YEAH, WE CAN ACTUALLY PLAY--
PLAY THE TRACK THAT I DID FOR
THIS SINGER--FOR THE ARTIST, IF
THAT'S COOL.
>> YEAH, THAT'D BE AWESOME.
>> YEAH.
[pop music]
>> * NOBODY EVER SAID
* IT WAS EASY
* WE CAN'T AFFORD TO LET IT GO *
* WE CAN TAKE A WALK
* INTO THE HEART OF THE CITY
>> HOW DO YOU GET STARTED WITH,
LIKE, A GOOD BEAT?
>> WELL, USUALLY I START WITH
THE PERCUSSIONS FIRST, AND THEN
I GO INTO THE BASS.
>> CAN YOU RECORD SOME--SOME
VOCALS RIGHT NOW?
IF WE WANTED TO, COULD WE, LIKE,
LAY DOWN SOME--LIKE A VOCAL
TRACK?
>> SURE.
>> I MEAN, IF YOU WANT TO START
ONE, YOU COULD DO, LIKE, A
RAPPING SESSION.
SEE WHAT YOU GOT.
>> OKAY, I'M GAME.
>> YOU WANT TO FREESTYLE, NEV?
[laughs]
>> YEAH, ALL RIGHT.
SO PUT ME IN THE BOOTH.
>> HADI IS GOING TO GET YOU SET
UP.
>> I'M IN.
>> GO THROUGH THAT, UM...
>> WHICH ONE?
>> [sighs] THE IDIOM TRACK WE
WERE GOING--WE WERE LISTENING TO
BEFORE THIS.
>> CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME YET?
I AM IN THE STUDIO.
>> YOU GONNA RECORD ANYTHING?
>> I CAN SORT OF HEAR IT IN MY
HEADPHONES.
>> OKAY, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU,
THOUGH.
>> OH.
>> WHAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW IS
THAT THESE TWO KNUCKLEHEADS...
[chuckles] ARE TRYING TO FIGURE
OUT HOW TO GET THE MICROPHONE TO
RECORD.
>> WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK?
>> I DON'T EVEN KNOW.
LIKE, I'M TRYING TO--FOR SOME
REASON, IT--THE TRACK ISN'T
TRYING TO RECORD.
WHAT IS GOING ON HERE?
[door creaks]
>> ALL RIGHT, SO THEY JUST
PRETTY MUCH HAVE US IN A REALLY,
REALLY AWKWARD POSITION.
NEV, LIKE, REALLY, REALLY WANTS
TO RECORD, AND ALL I CAN DO IS
JUST PLAY THE BEAT.
>> HOW'S IT GOING?
>> GOOD.
>> LOT OF PRESSURE WITH ALL THE
CAMERAS AND STUFF.
>> YEAH.
NO.
>> SO YOU DON'T LIVE HERE.
>> NO.
>> AND DO YOU KNOW KIDD?
>> KIDD, YES, FOR, LIKE, A
MONTH.
>> ARE YOU DOING THIS AS A FAVOR
TO HIM?
>> HE CALLED ME.
HE'S LIKE, "HEY, WE NEED A
STUDIO TO RECORD THE SHOW AT.
DO YOU KNOW ANY GOOD STUDIOS?
I SAID, "YEAH."
>> AND WHAT DO YOU THINK?
IS HE THE REAL DEAL?
>> UM...
>> THIS EPISODE OF
CATFISH: THE TV SHOW CONTINUES
NOW.
>> SO YOU'VE NEVER ACTUALLY SEEN
HIM, LIKE, WORKING ON ANY OF
THE...
>> MM-MM.
SO EVERY TIME, LIKE, HE CAME
WITH SOMETHING, IT WAS
ALREADY...
>> IT WAS ALREADY MADE.
>> YEAH.
>> ALL RIGHT, WELL, LET'S GO
BACK DOWN.
>> ALL RIGHT, COOL.
>> ALL RIGHT, LET'S FIND OUR WAY
OVER TO THE LIVING ROOM.
>> I TALKED TO HADI UPSTAIRS,
AND HE BROKE DOWN TO ME THAT HE
IS NOT AN ENGINEER.
>> I NEED ANSWERS, BECAUSE IT'S
LIKE EVERYTHING THAT YOU PUT ME
THROUGH FOR THOSE TWO WEEKS,
LIKE, YOU HAD ME CALL ALL THESE
PEOPLE UNDER FALSE PRETENSES
THAT I WAS GOING TO BE WITH THE
LABEL, THAT I WAS GOING TO GET A
JOB.
YOU HAD ME GET ALL THESE
SECURITY GUARDS.
YOU HAD ME CALL THE DRIVER AND
DRIVE YOU AROUND.
THIS IS NOTHING TO PLAY WITH.
THESE ARE PEOPLE'S LIVELIHOODS.
>> WHAT'S DRIVING YOU?
WHAT DO YOU WANT?
>> THE ONLY THING I WANT TO DO
IS TO HAVE A BREAK, THE
OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW PEOPLE WHAT
I CAN DO, BECAUSE WITH ME MAKING
MUSIC, I ACTUALLY REALLY KNOW
WHAT THE HECK I'M DOING, AND I'M
REALLY GOOD.
>> ALL I KNOW IS THAT THE SONGS
THAT YOU PLAYED ARE OTHER
PEOPLE'S SONGS.
WE FOUND THEM ON OTHER WEBSITES.
WE KNOW IT'S NOT YOUR STUFF.
IF YOU HAD REAL MUSIC TO SHOW
US, YOU WOULD HAVE SHOWN IT TO
US.
YOU DON'T.
AND THEN WE DROVE AROUND WITH A
VERY LOVELY WOMAN WHO RECENTLY
DROVE YOU AROUND JUST A COUPLE
WEEKS AGO, WHO SPENT $3,000 OF
HER OWN MONEY RENTING FANCIER
CARS FOR YOU BECAUSE SUBURBAN
WASN'T GOOD ENOUGH.
YOU WANTED THE MERCEDES.
YOU SCAMMED HER JUST THE WAY YOU
SCAMMED THE SECURITY GUARDS.
LIKE, YOU'RE A SCAM ARTIST.
>> I MEAN, BASICALLY, YOU
TRYING TO, LIKE, RUIN--LIKE,
HUMILIATE ME.
>> NO, NO, NO.
YOU HUMILIATED YOURSELF.
>> YOU'VE HUMILIATED YOURSELF.
>> YOU THINK YOU KNOW, BUT YOU
REALLY DON'T.
>> WELL, THEN TELL US.
WE WANT TO KNOW.
>> YOU'VE BEEN, LIKE,
DISRESPECTFUL THIS WHOLE TIME.
LIKE, I'M NOT GOING TO ALLOW YOU
TO DISRESPECT MY TALENT BECAUSE
I ACTUALLY AM TALENTED.
I'M NOT GOING TO ALLOW THAT TO
HAPPEN.
>> THOSE ARE GOOD, HARDWORKING
PEOPLE WHO ARE STRUGGLING NOW
BECAUSE OF SOME THE CHOICES
YOU'VE MADE.
>> I DON'T HAVE THE TIME TO
STEAL NOBODY'S STUFF.
I DON'T DO THAT.
>> WE JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND.
>> I'M NOT TRYING TO DECEIVE
PEOPLE, SCAM PEOPLE.
THAT'S NOT--THAT'S NOT--
>> BUT THAT'S HOW THEY'RE GOING
TO SEE IT.
I CAN UNDERSTAND DOING IT ONCE,
BUT, LIKE, WHY'D YOU DO IT,
LIKE, THREE TIMES?
BUT, LIKE, RIGHT NOW YOU'VE
USED UP A LOT OF GOODWILL.
YOU OWE THESE PEOPLE MONEY.
I KNOW YOU PROBABLY CAN'T GIVE
THEM THE MONEY THAT YOU TOOK.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S, LIKE, AN
APOLOGY.
YOU'RE JUST LIKE, "LOOK, I'M
REALLY SORRY," OR JUST
SOMETHING.
LIKE, IT MIGHT MAKE YOU FEEL
BETTER, IT MIGHT MAKE THEM FEEL
BETTER.
>> YEAH.
>> WHAT IS IT THAT DRIVES YOU TO
DO THIS?
>> SO, I MEAN...
WHEN I WAS 16, WE HAD TO STAY
IN A SHELTER.
THE DIRECTOR OF THE SHELTER PUT
US IN FOSTER CARE.
"I WANT TO BE A MUSIC PRODUCER.
I WANT TO MAKE BEATS AND
EVERYTHING."
AND THEN THAT'S WHEN, LIKE, THE
SOCIAL WORKER WAS LIKE, "YOU'RE
NOT GOING TO, LIKE, BE ANYTHING.
LIKE, YOU CAN'T MAKE MUSIC."
THEY DIDN'T TAKE ME SERIOUSLY.
I REALLY GOT PISSED OFF.
>> IF YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE A
NAME FOR YOURSELF, THIS ISN'T
HOW YOU DO IT.
YOU HAVE TO WORK HARD.
YOU HAVE TO MAKE MISTAKES.
YOU HAVE TO FIND OUT FOR
YOURSELF.
BUT THE MAIN THING ABOUT IT IS
THAT YOU HAVE TO DO THE WORK.
YOU JUST CAN'T GET IT OVERNIGHT
LIKE THAT.
IF NOBODY CAN TRUST YOU, THEN
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO PUT
THEMSELVES OUT THERE TO EVEN TRY
TO GET TO KNOW YOU TO EVEN GIVE
YOU THAT RESPECT THAT YOU'RE
TRYING TO GET FROM THEM.
>> YOU'RE TOO SMART TO BE DOING
WHAT YOU'RE DOING, AND IT WOULD
SUCK TO SEE YOU CONTINUE TO MAKE
SOME OF THESE BAD DECISIONS
>> WELL, DEFINITELY THE ROUTE
THAT I'M GOING IS NOT CORRECT,
SO...
I'LL JUST--AND I'LL WORK ON
MYSELF AND, LIKE, GET THINGS
DONE AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.
THAT'S PRETTY MUCH HOW I GOT TO
DO IT, SO...
>> WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO
SEEING...
>> THE CHANGES.
>> SEEING THAT HAPPEN.
>> ALL RIGHT.
>> YEAH.
>> JUST BE CAREFUL.
>> * PLEASE DON'T THINK *
* I AM WAITING
* ON YOUR SO-CALLED
* PROGRESS
>> I DON'T KNOW WHETHER OR NOT
HE HEARD ME, BUT I PUT MY
EVERYTHING INTO IT.
I WAS SERIOUS ABOUT EVERYTHING
I WAS SAYING.
LIKE, THIS ISN'T--YOU CAN'T DO
THIS.
>> YEAH, HE MIGHT NEVER CHANGE
HIS BEHAVIOR, BUT--BUT YOU
CERTAINLY ARE WISER FOR THIS.
>> OH, YEAH.
NOW I KNOW THAT IF IT'S TOO GOOD
TO BE TRUE, THEN IT PROBABLY IS.
[Bernhoft's
Everything Will Be Alright]
>> LUCILLE.
>> HEY, LUCILLE.
WHAT'S UP, GIRL?
>> HI, YOU GUYS.
>> HOW ARE YOU?
>> I'M DOING GOOD.
SCHOOL AND WORK.
>> * EVERYTHING
* WILL BE ALL RIGHT
* THIS MORNING
* EVERYTHING
* GONNA BE ALL RIGHT
>> MEETING KIDD COLE, WHAT DID
THAT LEAVE YOU WITH?
>> I HAVE A BIG HEART, AND
I LIKE TO HELP PEOPLE, AND THAT
CAN BE A BLESSING AND A CURSE.
>> HE IS ONE OF THE MOST INTENSE
CATFISH WE'VE EVER HAD ON THE
SHOW, SO...
>> YEAH.
>> YOU CAN'T FEEL BAD ABOUT
GETTING HOOKED BY HIM.
>> YEAH, THE LATEST THING WITH
HIM--HE'S SAYING THAT HE WAS
THE COPRODUCER OF BEYONCE'S
DRUNKEN LOVE.
>> WOW.
>> YEAH.
>> KID BE BOLD.
>> YEAH.
>> UNBELIEVABLE.
>> HOPEFULLY PEOPLE WILL SEE HIM
FOR WHO HE IS.
>> AWESOME.
>> ALL RIGHT.
WELL, HANG IN THERE.
GOOD LUCK WITH SCHOOL, AND
HOPEFULLY SOON ENOUGH YOU'LL BE
OUT THERE BUSTING CRIMINALS.
>> OKAY.
>> LET'S DO IT.
>> SOUNDS GOOD.
>> ALL RIGHT, GUYS, TAKE CARE.
>> BYE.
>> BYE, LUCILLE.
>> * THE HATERS
>> * HATERS
>> * THE HATERS GONNA HATE
* BUT JUST GIVE A LITTLE LOVE
* AND THEN YOU WIN 'EM *
* ALL OVER IN THE END
*
>> SHE'S THE BAD ASS GIRL FROM
DEATH PROOF.
"MY CATFISH IS NOT ROMANTIC IN
NATURE."
>> SAYING WE MADE HER UP, AND
GAVE HER CANCER, AND KILLED HER
FOR ATTENTION.
>> SHE'S, LIKE, A SERIAL
SUPER-FAN.
BUT MOST SUPER-FANS DON'T GO
THIS FAR.
>> WAS THE PLAN TO GIVE HER
CANCER AND KILL HER?
WHOSE FUNERAL WAS THAT?
1549
00:41:05.
>> MAYBE HE THINKS THAT HE CAN
SORT OF JUST TALK HIS WAY OUT OF
IT.
>> WELL...
>> EITHER WAY, HE'S IN FOR A
SURPRISE.
>> YES.
>> LET'S DO THIS.
>> THIS MUST BE PRETTY WEIRD FOR
YOU.
>> VERY.
>> THAT COULD BE HIM.
>> OH, YEAH, THERE HE IS.
>> MM...
>> YOU REALLY THINK HE'S WORKING
WITH KANYE WEST?
>> [humming]
* NEW EPISODE, CATFISH, YEAH *
* SEASON THREE, PRETTY CRAZY
>> [laughs]
>> * MAX IS MY MAN
* HE IS CRAZY
>> * AND SOMETIMES LAZY
>> [humming]
ALL RIGHT.
SEE THAT, RIGHT THERE?
THAT'S AN INDICATION THAT I HAVE
A NEW EMAIL.
>> YEAH, YOU DO.
>> UH-OH.
"SUBJECT--FRIEND OR FRAUD?"
INTERESTING.
"HI, GUYS!
MY NAME IS LUCILLE, AND I'M
CURRENTLY LIVING IN
PHILADELPHIA."
>> WE ARE IN PHILADELPHIA RIGHT
NOW.
>> YEAH.
>> "I'VE HAD A LITTLE
BROTHER/BIG SISTER RELATIONSHIP
FOR A LITTLE OVER A YEAR NOW
WITH A MUSIC PRODUCER NAMED
KIDD COLE.
I FOUND OUT THAT HE WAS THE
YOUNGEST MUSIC PRODUCER SIGNED
TO KANYE WEST'S LABEL,
G.O.O.D. MUSIC.
YOU REALLY THINK HE'S WORKING
WITH KANYE WEST?
WE DIRECT MESSAGE.
I EVENTUALLY GAVE HIM MY NUMBER
AS A FAN AND TOLD HIM THAT IF HE
WERE EVER IN PHILLY TO JUST GIVE
ME A CALL AND WE COULD HANG
OUT."
>> * SO YOU'VE COME A LONG WAY *
* SO YOU'RE BUSY EARNIN' *
* YOU CAN'T GET ENOUGH *
>> "I DIDN'T THINK HE WOULD CALL
BECAUSE WE WAS A CELEBRITY AND
I WAS JUST A FAN AT THE TIME."
>> "HOWEVER, I GOT A CALL OUT OF
THE BLUE FROM SOMEONE WITH A
SLIGHT BRITISH ACCENT NAMED"...
>> both: "MIGUEL"...
>> "INFORMING ME THAT KIDD
WANTED TO INVITE ME AS A SPECIAL
GUEST TO HIS BIRTHDAY PARTY, AND
I WAS SO EXCITED.
AFTER THAT CONVERSATION, MIGUEL
WENT ON TO ASK ME IF I COULD
HELP HIM WITH MAKING SOME CALLS
FOR AN EVENT IN
WASHINGTON, D.C."
WAIT. SO MIGUEL "REPS" KIDD.
>> KIDD COLE.
HE WAS ASKING LUCILLE TO DO SOME
WORK FOR HIM.
>> RIGHT. OKAY.
"HELPING FOR ONE DAY TURNED INTO
TWO WEEKS."
WEIRD.
"I HAD HIRED A SECURITY TEAM AND
DRIVER THAT WAS AT HIS EVERY
BECK AND CALL.
THE SECURITY TEAM, THE DRIVER,
AND I ALL FINANCED WHATEVER HE
NEEDED FOR THE WHOLE TWO WEEKS,
WHICH BASICALLY MEANT THAT I HAD
TO FRONT THE MONEY.
NONE OF US HAVE GOTTEN PAID FOR
OUR SERVICES, AND SOMEONE NEEDS
TO BE HELD RESPONSIBLE.
I REALLY NEED YOUR HELP IN
FINDING OUT IF HE IS WHO HE SAYS
HE IS.
WHO KNOWS HOW MANY OTHER PEOPLE
HE HAS DONE THIS TO?
IT'S NOT RIGHT.
HOPE TO HEAR FROM YOU SOON.
THANKS, LUCILLE."
WOW.
>> THIS IS A VERY STRANGE CASE.
>> YEAH.
>> LET'S CALL HER.
>> HERE WE GO.
[line trilling]
>> HELLO.
>> HI.
>> HEY.
>> HEY.
WHAT'S UP, GUYS?
>> WHAT'S UP, LUCILLE?
THAT WAS, LIKE, THE WEIRDEST
EMAIL.
>> I STILL CAN'T WRAP MY BRAIN
AROUND IT.
I FOUND KIDD ONLINE.
I HAD GAVE HIM MY NUMBER.
THAT'S WHEN I WAS CONTACTED BY
HIS MANAGER, MIGUEL.
HE HAD TOLD ME IF I HELPED HIM
OUT, I WOULD BE COMPENSATED
$1,000.
>> AND DID YOU GET THAT $1,000?
>> NO.
>> AND WHAT WAS HE DOING?
WHERE WAS HE GOING?
>> I HAD SET UP APPEARANCES FOR
KIDD AT HIGH SCHOOLS.
HE WENT TO CONCERTS.
I SET UP HOTEL ROOMS.
IT WAS MAYHEM AFTER THAT.
MIGUEL TEXTS ME FRANTIC,
TALKING ABOUT, "YOU NEED TO GET
HIM FOOD," IN THE MIDDLE OF THE
NIGHT, SENDING HIM MONEY.
>> THIS IS CRAZY.
>> TRUST ME--IT GETS STRANGER.
EVERYBODY STARTS SENDING ME
INVOICES AS FAR AS HOW MUCH
THEIR BILLS WERE.
THE SECURITY TEAM'S BILL WAS
OVER $13,000.
THE DRIVER'S BILL WAS OVER
$8,000.
AND MIGUEL DISAPPEARED.
>> WOW.
>> AND YOU DIDN'T PAY THOSE?
>> NO.
THEY NEVER GOT PAID.
>> HOW DID THIS NOT SEEM REALLY
SKETCHY TO YOU?
>> I HAVE NEVER BEEN IN A
SITUATION LIKE THIS, SO I DIDN'T
KNOW WHAT THE RED FLAGS WERE.
I THOUGHT THAT I WAS GOING TO BE
LEAVING PHILADELPHIA, GETTING
THIS REALLY AWESOME JOB AT A
MAJOR RECORD LABEL.
BUT I'M THE TYPE OF PERSON,
LIKE, "NO, SWEETHEART, YOU'RE
JUST NOT GOING TO RUN OVER ME
AND THINK I'M JUST GOING TO LAY
DOWN AND TAKE IT.
NO."
>> HERE'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO
DO.
WE'RE GOING TO HEAD OUT TO MEET
YOU, AND WE'RE GOING TO GET TO
THE BOTTOM OF THIS.
>> I REALLY NEED YOU GUYS' HELP.
I REALLY DO.
>> ALL RIGHT.
>> ALL RIGHT, GOOD NIGHT.
>> WHO IS KIDD COLE?
CAN WE LOOK HIM UP RIGHT NOW
REALLY QUICKLY?
>> BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SOURCE
OF ALL.
>> OH, MY GOD.
>> LOOK.
HE'S ON THE MTV ARTIST WEBSITE.
"ABOUT KIDD COLE...
JEREZ COLEMAN FLEW TO MANHATTAN,
NEW YORK, TO CONSULT WITH
KANYE WEST."
>> YEAH, G.O.O.D. MUSIC.
"THE NEWEST MEMBER OF
G.O.O.D. MUSIC."
>> I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT
IF THE CON MAN IS KIDD COLE OR
IF IT'S JUST MIGUEL.
>> OR IT'S SOMEONE PRETENDING
TO BE KIDD COLE.
>> WE CAN CATCH THIS GUY.
ALL RIGHT, MAX, GET SOME SLEEP.
I NEED YOU SHARP.
>> SHARP.
>> RIGHT NOW GOT TO PUT ON
SOMETHING PRETTY WARM.
>> * I KNOW
* I'M NEVER GONNA *
* MAKE IT ANYWAY
* I THINK I'M GONNA *
* MAKE IT ANYWAY
>> WE ARE IN LUCILLE'S HOOD.
THIS IS HER RIGHT HERE.
>> IS THAT--
>> * I THINK I'M GONNA *
* MAKE IT TODAY
>> HEY, GUYS.
>> HEY.
>> HEY, LUCILLE.
>> WOW. LOOK AT THIS.
>> HOW YOU DOING?
>> AMAZING.
>> COME ON IN.
Y'ALL STANDING OUT THERE
FREEZING TO DEATH.
>> COME ON, GUYS.
>> MM.
>> SWEET.
[meows]
>> THIS IS POLLY.
>> HEY, POLLY.
>> [laughs]
>> OKAY, LET'S GET RIGHT TO IT.
>> OKAY.
>> SO THERE WAS THIS SORT OF
UNUSUAL AND UNEXPECTED EXCHANGE
WITH KIDD COLE.
WHY WAS THAT EXCITING?
>> HERE I AM PRETTY MUCH
STRUGGLING.
MY JOB'S NOT PAYING ME THAT
MUCH.
BUT THEN I WAS TOLD, "YOU COULD
BE HIRED WITH THE LABEL."
YOU KNOW, THAT WAS, LIKE, THE
BIG LIGHTS.
>> WAS THERE ANY SPECIFIC
MENTION OF THE KIND OF SALARY
YOU'D BE GETTING?
>> I THINK I HAD SETTLED ON,
LIKE, $70,000...
>> WOW.
>> FOR START.
>> YEAH.
>> I FELT MY SHIP HAD CAME IN.
>> AND THEN WHEN IT DIDN'T...
>> [chuckles]
I WANTED TO JUST CURL UP AND
CRY.
I CALLED MY MOM.
I CALLED MY DAD AND TOLD THEM.
I WAS LIKE, "IT'S--IT'S NOT
GOING TO HAPPEN."
I TALKED TO A COUPLE COP FRIENDS
OF MINE.
THEY SAID IT'S REALLY NOTHING
CRIMINAL.
IT'S MORE OF A CIVIL MATTER.
I WOULD PRETTY MUCH HAVE TO TAKE
HIM TO COURT, AND I'M LIKE,
"I DON'T HAVE THE TIME, NOR DO
I HAVE THE MONEY."
SO I JUST WANT TO GET DOWN TO
THE BOTTOM OF IT.
>> AND YOU HAVE ALL THE
CORRESPONDENCE?
>> YES, I DO.
>> LET'S CHECK IT OUT.
>> YEAH.
>> IN THE END OF 2012, FIRST
FOUND OUT ABOUT KIDD.
THAT'S WHEN I FOUND OUT HE HAD
SOME BEATS ON SOUNDCLOUD.
I LISTENED TO HIM.
I FIGURED OUT THAT HE WAS
TALENTED.
I REACHED OUT TO HIM ON TWITTER,
D.M.'D HIM.
THAT GOES ON FOR WEEKS, MONTHS.
I'M TELLING YOU, ME AND THIS BOY
WERE IN CONTACT.
>> THIS IS SERIOUS CONTACT.
>> YEAH.
>> SO YOU DO HAVE A NUMBER FOR
HIM.
>> 202 IS...
>> D.C.
>> THAT'S PROBABLY WHERE THIS
GUY IS.
>> SO THEN I WAS CONTACTED BY
HIS COMANAGER, MIGUEL, ABOUT
BEING INVITED TO HIS BIRTHDAY
PARTY AND THE WHOLE CELEBRITY
GUEST LIST.
>> THE GUESTS INCLUDE
ROBIN THICKE, PHARRELL,
KANYE WEST, AND JADEN SMITH.
>> I WAS EXCITED.
HE SAYS, "I WAS JUST, YOU KNOW,
REACHING OUT TO YOU TO SEE IF
YOU COULD HELP ME WITH SOME
THINGS AS FAR AS KIDD'S
CONCERNED."
SO I WAS PRETTY MUCH THE CONTACT
PERSON TO SET UP EVERYTHING FOR
KIDD COLE FOR WHAT HE WAS GOING
TO BE DOING IN THE D.C. AREA.
THIS WENT ON FOR TWO WEEKS.
I BOOKED APPEARANCES FOR HIM AT
A HIGH SCHOOL.
I WOULD HAVE THE LEAD SECURITY
GUY MAKING SURE THERE WAS AN
ENTRANCE THAT HE CAN COME IN
AND SPEAK TO THE KIDS.
>> OKAY.
>> THEY WOULD HAVE QUESTION AND
ANSWER, AND IT'S LIKE EVERYTHING
THAT I'M DOING IS PRETTY MUCH A
TEST AS FAR AS...
>> SURE.
>> HOW I'M GOING TO PERFORM IF
I'M WITH THE LABEL.
BUT IT WAS A FIASCO WITH HIM.
IT WAS ALWAYS, "NOBODY LOVES ME.
EVERYBODY JUST WANTS TO BE WITH
ME BECAUSE I HAVE MONEY.
I'LL BE BETTER OFF DEAD."
>> HE GOT YOU HOOKED EMOTIONALLY
AND, LIKE, PROFESSIONALLY.
>> PSYCHOLOGICALLY,
PROFESSIONALLY.
>> YEAH.
>> HE ALWAYS THREATENED, "WELL,
I'M GOING TO CALL KANYE.
PEOPLE GOING TO GET FIRED."
>> WHO THREATENED?
>> KIDD.
I'M THINKING I'M GOING TO BE,
YOU KNOW, CHARGED WITH SOMETHING
BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS DONE BY
ME.
>> THIS IS WHAT SCARES ME.
YOU HIRED THE DRIVER.
>> YES.
>> YOU HIRED THE SECURITY GUY.
THEY COULD EASILY THINK THAT YOU
WERE THE ONE EXECUTING THE SCAM.
>> I'M THE PAWN IN ALL THIS.
>> YEAH.
SO HOW DID THIS END?
>> KIDD HAD GIVEN THE DRIVER THE
CONTRACT.
HE CALLS ME SAYING, "I LOOKED AT
THE CONTRACT.
THERE WAS NO CONTACT
INFORMATION.
THERE'S NO ADDRESS,
NO NOTHING."
HE SAID IT'S ALL A FAKE.
I'M LIKE, "OH, MY GOD, LIKE, HOW
ARE THESE PEOPLE GOING TO BE
PAID?"
>> RIGHT.
>> BECAUSE WHEN I SAW THAT
INVOICE, I ALMOST HIT THE FLOOR.
THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE
FAMILIES, WHO--WHO HAVE RENT TO
PAY, LIKE, I MEAN, AND THEY WERE
BANKING ON GETTING PAID FROM
THIS JOB.
>> YOU MUST HAVE CONTACTED
MIGUEL AND SAID, "HEY, WHAT'S
GOING ON?"
YOU HAVE HIS NUMBER.
>> YES, AND HE NEVER RESPONDED.
>> HE KIND OF LEFT YOU...
>> TO FEND FOR MYSELF.
IT'S LIKE HE DISAPPEARED--
NO TEXTS, NO NOTHING.
HE JUST GOT GHOST.
>> AND WHERE IS KIDD COLE?
>> HE CONTACTED ME JUST THIS
MONTH ASKING ME FOR MY CREDIT
CARD INFORMATION BECAUSE HE HAD
A PRESS CONFERENCE TO DO WITH
CNN AND THE TRANSPORTATION
COMPANY NEEDED A VALID CREDIT
CARD ON FILE BECAUSE HIS CREDIT
CARD DECLINED.
LIKE, WHO DOES THAT?
OH, GOD.
I'M IN TROUBLE.
I WANT TO FIND OUT WHAT'S GOING
ON, WHO HE IS, WHY IS HE DOING
THIS, 'CAUSE THIS IS NOT HOW
YOU TREAT SOMEBODY.
>> ALL RIGHT, SO PUT IT ALL IN
AN EMAIL AND GIVE US EVERYTHING
YOU HAVE.
>> OKAY.
>> I WANT TO CATCH THIS GUY.
>> ALL RIGHT.
>> HE MESSED WITH THE WRONG
PERSON.
>> THAT'S RIGHT.
>> ALL RIGHT?
>> OKAY, BYE.
>> BYE.
>> THE WHOLE STORY IS
COMPLICATED.
THERE'S LOTS OF PARTS AND
PLAYERS AND MONIES.
>> I WANT TO CALL THE LIMO
DRIVERS.
I WANT TO CALL THE SECURITY
GUARDS.
>> BUT BEFORE WE EVEN START
LOOKING INTO THAT, I THINK WE
JUST NEED TO DETERMINE IF
KIDD COLE IS REAL.
>> GIVE ME THE CAMERA.
>> I'LL SHOOT YOU.
>> ALL RIGHT.
I WILL GLADLY LEAD THIS
INVESTIGATION.
FOR TWO WEEKS, LUCILLE WAS
SCAMMED BY THIS GUY, KIDD COLE.
>> OR HIS MANAGER MIGUEL.
>> RIGHT.
>> THIS IS A GIRL WHO CONNECTED
DRIVER, SECURITY TEAMS, THE
WHOLE--
>> COTERIE.
SO NOW LUCILLE, WHO WAS OUT 500
BUCKS....
THE LIMO DRIVER IS OUT $8,000,
AND THE SECURITY DETAIL IS OUT--
>> ALMOST $15,000.
>> SO WHO IS KIDD COLE?
WHO IS MIGUEL?
>> FIRST THINGS FIRST, IS
"KIDD COLE" LEGIT?
>> LOOK, HERE IS THE MTV SITE.
"JEREZ COLEMAN, CURRENTLY KNOWN
BY HIS STAGE NAME KIDD COLE, IS
AN R&B AND CONTEMPORARY LEVEL
MUSIC PRODUCER WHO WAS
DISCOVERED BY HIS FUTURE
MANAGER, MIGUEL."
WE NEED TO CALL ALLISON THIEL,
WHO'S IN CHARGE OF A LOT OF THE
MUSIC THAT GOES ON SHOWS ON MTV.
[line trilling]
HEY, ALLISON, IT'S NEV AND MAX.
>> HEY, ALLISON.
>> WE'RE SHOOTING AN EPISODE
RIGHT NOW.
WHAT ARE THE WAYS IN WHICH
SOMEONE CAN GET ON THE
HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF AN
ARTIST NAMED KIDD COLE?
THIS KID SAYS THAT HE'S SIGNED
AT G.O.O.D. MUSIC.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW
ANYBODY OVER THERE.
OKAY, THANK YOU.
>> WHY DON'T WE JUST TYPE IN
"KIDD COLE" AND SEE IF ANYTHING
COMES UP?
>> ALL RIGHT.
>> WHAT DO WE GOT?
OKAY, LOOK, HERE ARE IMAGES.
THIS IS APPARENTLY A PICTURE OF
HIM WITH KANYE, BUT YOU CAN'T
REALLY TELL WHO THIS IS, AND
THERE'S A SONG FEATURING
KIDD COLE.
SHOULD WE PLAY IT?
>> SURE.
[hip-hop music]
>> ALL RIGHT, SO I'M GOING TO
SOUNDHOUND THIS FOR A SECOND.
AND THERE'S NOTHING.
THE FIRST SONG THAT CAME UP
ISN'T EVEN ATTRIBUTED TO HIM.
ALL RIGHT, LET'S GO TO HIS
SOUNDCLOUD.
HERE'S A SONG BY KIDD COLE.
>> WHOA. WAIT, WAIT.
>> THIS COMES UP.
WE JUST GOT A HIT ON THIS SONG.
IT'S BY LIL MARTIN.
THIS DOESN'T MENTION LIL MARTIN
AT ALL.
>> WE SHOULD LOOK UP THAT ALBUM.
>> RIGHT.
>> ON THE iTUNES PAGE--
LIL MARTIN,
GARY COLEMAN MIXTAPE.
>> OKAY, SO GARY COLEMAN IS A
REAL ALBUM.
>> NO MENTION OF KIDD COLE
ANYWHERE.
LET'S LOOK UP THE NUMBER SHE
HAS FOR KIDD COLE'S MANAGER,
MIGUEL.
WE GOT A HIT.
STONE-COL JEREZ.
KIDD COLE'S REAL NAME...
>> IS JEREZ.
>> SUPPOSEDLY IS JEREZ COLEMAN.
>> IT'S ALL OBVIOUSLY, LIKE, A
PLAY ON WORDS.
>> SO MIGUEL'S PHONE NUMBER IS
REGISTERED TO JEREZ.
LET'S RUN KIDD COLE'S PHONE
NUMBER.
>> [inhales sharply] AGAIN.
>> AGAIN, IT'S JEREZ, IN D.C.
MIGUEL AND KIDD COLE ARE THE
SAME PERSON.
WHAT IF YOU JUST LOOKED UP
"JEREZ COLEMAN" ON GOOGLE?
>> HERE'S A WEB SEARCH FOR
JEREZ.
WOW. THERE'S A FACEBOOK PAGE
CALLED "KIDD COLE SCAM ARTIST"!
>> GO TO THAT.
>> "SCAM ALERT--KIDD COLE SCAM."
"KIDD COLE, AKA JEREZ COLEMAN,
IS A SCAM ARTIST WHO HAVE
SCAMMED MANY IN THE D.C. AREA.
BEWARE."
"I AM MAD AS HELL.
MY BEST FRIEND, LORETTA, HAS
BEEN DUPED BY KIDD COLE.
SHE IS AN INDEPENDENT LIMO
DRIVER AND WAS CONTACTED ON
FEBRUARY 2ND."
>> JUST HAPPENED.
>> WHOA.
"MY FRIEND IS OUT THOUSANDS OF
DOLLARS AND COMPLETELY
DEVASTATED."
"THIS LITTLE SCAM ARTIST SCAMMED
MY TRANSPORTATION COMPANY.
PLEASE BEWARE OF HIM.
I WILL BE POSTING VIDEOS OF THIS
PUNK."
>> WHO'S LORETTA?
WE GOT TO REACH OUT TO HER.
>> "DEAR LORETTA, I HAVE A SHOW
ON MTV CALLED CATFISH."
>> SO I GUESS THIS IS THE KID,
BECAUSE EVERYBODY IS POSTING
ABOUT HIM.
>> THIS GUY JUST SCAMMED SOMEONE
LAST WEEK.
>> SO WE HAVE ONE ANSWER, WHICH
IS THAT HE'S STILL DOING IT.
>> WEIRD.
>> WE'VE GOT A LOT OF
INFORMATION AND EVIDENCE THAT
SORT OF POINTS TO THE D.C.
AREA--THE PHONE NUMBER, THE
PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN SCAMMED.
SO WE KNOW WE CAN GO DOWN THERE
AND POKE AROUND AND MAYBE JUST
TRY AND FIND SOME OF THESE
PEOPLE.
WE'RE ONTO SOMETHING.
WE'RE GOING TO FIGURE OUT WHO HE
IS AND HOW TO STOP HIM.
>> OH, WE GOT ONE.
>> ONE MESSAGE.
>> FROM LORETTA.
>> OH, THAT'S THE WOMAN WHO
RECENTLY GOT SCAMMED, RIGHT?
>> YEAH.
>> "MR. NEV, I HOPE THAT YOU
ARE WHO YOU SAY BECAUSE I CAN'T
TRUST ANYONE THESE DAYS AFTER
KIDD COLE.
I WOULD LOVE TO TELL MY STORY."
>> FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, ALL
WE'VE WANTED TO DO IS GET IN
TOUCH WITH SOMEONE WHO'S HAD AN
IN-PERSON MEETING WITH
KIDD COLE.
RIGHT NOW THAT'S LORETTA.
SO I THINK WE SHOULD GO DOWN TO
D.C.--WE'RE NOT FAR--INTERVIEW
HER.
BUT FIRST, WE GOT TO GO TALK
TO LUCILLE.
>> SO LET'S GO.
ALL RIGHT.
WHEW.
SO WE DID A LOT OF OUR OWN
RESEARCH.
>> OKAY.
>> THIS IS THE KIDD COLE SORT OF
ARTIST PAGE ON MTV'S WEBSITE.
I CALLED THE MUSIC SUPERVISOR
FOR OUR SHOW, AND WHAT SHE TOLD
US IS THAT ANYBODY CAN DO IT.
>> OKAY.
>> OKAY, SO THERE'S THAT.
>> SO THIS IS THE SOUNDCLOUD
PAGE THAT WE FOUND FOR
KIDD COLE, AND WE USED
SOUNDHOUND, AND IT PULLED UP
THIS.
THERE'S AN ALBUM...
>> BY LIL MARTIN ON THE iTUNES
PAGE...
>> CALLED GARY COLEMAN,
THE GARY COLEMAN MIXTAPE.
>> AND NOWHERE ON iTUNES DOES IT
SAY THAT KIDD COLE WORKED ON
THIS OR PRODUCED IT.
>> BASICALLY, WHAT WE'RE SAYING
IS, YOU ASKED US TO FIND OUT IF
KIDD COLE IS LEGIT.
HE'S NOT.
>> I'M--I'M--I'M SPEECHLESS
RIGHT NOW.
I REALLY AM.
>> THEN WE LOOKED UP THIS 202
NUMBER THAT YOU GAVE US FOR
KIDD COLE.
SO THAT CAME UP AS
STONE-COL JEREZ.
AND THEN WHAT'S INTERESTING IS
THAT THE NUMBER YOU HAD FOR
MIGUEL ALSO CAME UP AS
REGISTERED TO STONE-COL JEREZ.
>> [sighs]
>> MIGUEL AND KIDD COLE AND
JEREZ ARE ALL THE SAME PERSON.
>> THEN WE LOOKED UP
JEREZ COLEMAN AGAIN, AND THE
VERY FIRST HIT.
>> SOMEONE STARTED A WHOLE NEW
PAGE WITH A PICTURE OF KIDD, AND
THE BANNER OF THE PAGE--"SCAM
ALERT."
AND IT SAYS, "I AM MAD AS HELL.
MY BEST FRIEND, LORETTA, HAS
BEEN DUPED BY KIDD COLE.
MY FRIEND IS OUT OF THOUSANDS OF
DOLLARS AND COMPLETELY
DEVASTATED."
AS OF EARLIER THIS MONTH,
"JEREZ COLEMAN," OR WHATEVER YOU
WANT TO CALL HIM, STILL GOES BY
"KIDD COLE," AND HE'S STILL
TOTALLY OUT THERE DOING WHAT HE
DOES.
>> I'M SHAKING RIGHT NOW.
I MEAN, 'CAUSE I'M--I'M LIKE...
IT'S NOT JUST ME WHO HE'S DONE
THIS TO.
LIKE, WHY?
'CAUSE YOU JUST DON'T DO THIS TO
HONEST, HARDWORKING PEOPLE THAT
ARE LIVING THEIR LIVES AND, YOU
KNOW, TRYING TO MAKE A LIVING,
YOU KNOW, AND IT'S--IT'S--NO.
IT'S NOT COOL.
LIKE, WHY WOULD YOU GO THROUGH
ALL THIS?
DO YOU WANT TO BE NOTICED THAT
BAD?
AND WHY DID YOU BRING ME INTO
IT?
LIKE, WHY?
>> * HUSTLE YOU
*
* 'CAUSE I'M A HUSTLER *
*
>> EVERYTHING SEEMS TO BE
DIRECTING US TO D.C., WHICH IS
WHERE MOST, IF NOT ALL, OF THIS
ACTIVITY HAS BEEN TAKING PLACE.
>> MM-HMM.
I REALLY WANT TO GET TO THE
BOTTOM OF THIS.
>> YOU READY TO GO TO D.C.?
>> LET'S DO THIS.
>> * NEVER STOP
>> LET'S GO TO D.C.
>> * I'M SHININ' OUT HERE *
* ON THE BLOCK
* EVERY DAY IS ONE STEP
* CLOSER TO THE TOP
[cell phone chimes]
>> OH, BOY, HERE WE GO.
HELLO.
HEY, ALLISON.
YOU SPOKE TO SOMEONE AT
G.O.O.D. MUSIC.
>> ALL RIGHT.
>> YEAH, THAT WAS WHAT WE WERE
WAITING TO HEAR.
>> HE HAS NO AFFILIATION TO
KANYE.
HE'S A TOTAL IMPOSTOR.
>> YEAH.
AND, I MEAN, LIKE, HE WAS
DROPPING NAMES LIKE HE HAD IT
LIKE THAT.
>> * FOR THE TOWN I'M REPPIN' *
* TAKE A SECOND AND RECKON
* DON'T IT SOUND LIKE HEAVEN? *
* THE AIR'S STILL FRESH *
* I BREATHE
* AND WHEN I LEAVE...
>> GET READY FOR A BIG DAY
TOMORROW.
D.C. STANDS FOR "DETECTIVE
CATFISH."
>> OW!
>> GOOD NIGHT.
>> * I'M GONNA SHINE *
* YEAH, YEAH
>> LORETTA, THE LIMO DRIVER WHO
RECENTLY GOT SCAMMED, IS
DOWNSTAIRS.
>> OKAY, LET'S GO MEET HER.
>> YOU MUST BE LORETTA.
>> I'M THE ONE AND ONLY.
HOW ARE YOU?
>> PLEASURE TO MEET YOU.
WE HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS FOR
YOU.
>> NO PROBLEM.
I ALSO BROUGHT THE ITINERARY
THAT THE GENTLEMAN GAVE US...
>> OH, WOW.
>> ALONG WITH THE CONTRACT.
>> THIS LOOKS VERY OFFICIAL.
>> IT DID.
>> LOOK AT THIS.
>> TWO WEEKS AGO.
>> JUST TWO WEEKS AGO.
>> YEAH, EXACTLY.
OUR COMPANY WAS ONE THAT HE
SCAMMED OUT OF ALMOST 8 GRAND.
>> WELL, LET'S DRIVE AROUND A
LITTLE BIT AND SHOW US SOME OF
THE PLACES YOU GUYS WERE GOING
TO.
>> ALL RIGHT, I WILL DO THAT.
OKAY, NO PROBLEM.
>> CAN YOU WALK US THROUGH JUST
THE WHOLE STORY?
>> WE HAD THIS CALL COME FROM A
NEW YORK NUMBER.
AND THEN IT'S LIKE, "HI.
MR. KANYE WEST'S IN-HOUSE
PRODUCER KIDD COLE IS IN TOWN,
AND WE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF YOU
WOULD PROVIDE TRANSPORTATION FOR
HIM."
AND I SAID, "YEAH."
AND WE WENT AND GOOGLED THIS
GENTLEMEN.
HE HAD, LIKE, EVENTS IN D.C.
WHERE HE WAS WITH KANYE WEST AND
JADEN SMITH.
SO THE NEXT DAY WE PICKED
MR. COLE UP.
AFTER THAT, WE WENT TO THIS
PLACE TO EAT AND FOUND OUT THAT
HE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO
PAY THE BILL.
HE TEXTED US THE NEXT DAY, SAID
THAT KIDD COLE WAS ROBBED THE
NIGHT BEFORE, OF HIS WALLET AND
OF $800.
>> YEAH, HE TOLD ME A SIMILAR
STORY ABOUT HOW SOMEBODY ROBBED
HIM.
>> YEAH.
>> AND SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE
REASONS WHY HE WANTED TO HAVE A
WHOLE BUNCH OF SECURITY WITH
HIM, BECAUSE HE HAD GOT ROBBED.
>> OH, MY GOSH.
I TOOK HIM TO H&M, WHERE HE
WANTED ME TO CALL AND ASK FOR
SECURITY TO COME OUTSIDE AND
MEET HIM SO HE CAN GO SHOPPING.
THESE GENTLEMEN WERE STANDING ON
THE CORNER LIKE IT WAS OBAMA.
THEN I GUESS HE STARTED TRUSTING
ME, AND THEN I ALWAYS DROPPED
HIM OFF AT HOME.
THAT'S THE HOUSE I WENT IN AND
VISITED THE GRANDMOTHER.
>> HOW'D YOU END UP GETTING
INSIDE THE HOUSE?
>> OH, YOU DON'T KNOW ME, SIR.
I WENT THE NEXT DAY, AND
I KNOCKED ON THE DOOR AND SAID,
"IS MR. JEREZ COLEMAN THERE?"
SHE'S LIKE, "WHO?"
I SAID, "KIDD COLE."
AND SHE OPENED THE DOOR.
AND SHE SAID, "WELL, NO, HE'S
NOT HERE, BUT HIS MOTHER IS."
THE YOUNG LADY NEVER CAME DOWN
TO EVEN APPROACH ME TO SEE WHY
I WAS THERE ABOUT HER SON.
AND AS I WAS LEAVING, THE
GRANDMA WAS LIKE, "LORETTA,
THEY'VE BEEN STAYING WITH ME FOR
TWO MONTHS.
I THINK THEY'RE HOMELESS."
AND I WAS LIKE, "I GOT HIM."
AND THAT'S ALL I SAID, AND
I WALKED OUT.
>> WOW.
>> I HAVE A FRIEND WHO'S A
PARALEGAL, AND SHE DID AN
INVESTIGATION.
>> SHE SEARCHED JEREZ COLEMAN
AND FOUND HIM.
>> OH, YEAH, AND IT DOES SHOW
HIS ARREST RECORD FOR FRAUD AND
FELONY.
BUT I THINK MONDAY HE HAS TO GO
TO COURT.
SO HE'S GOING TO GET CAUGHT.
>> HOW MUCH MONEY DID YOU
ACTUALLY SPEND?
>> WELL, WE ACTUALLY SPENT--
THESE EXTRA VEHICLES THAT HE
WANTED, WE SUBCONTRACTED THOSE.
I PAID $85 AN HOUR FOR THAT
MERCEDES.
>> OOF.
>> YEAH. HE WAS GOOD.
HE OKEYDOKEY'D US.
LIKE I TOLD HIM ON THE PHONE,
I SAID, "I MAY NOT GET ONE DIME
OUT OF YOU, BUT I'M GOING TO LET
EVERYBODY KNOW WHO YOU ARE AND
WHO YOU'RE NOT, AND I'M GOING TO
HAUNT YOU LIKE A GHOST.
YOU CAN CALL ME 'SPOOKY.'"
THAT'S WHAT I TOLD HIM.
>> [laughs]
>> LORETTA, THIS WAS AN AMAZING
TOUR.
I HOPE YOU GET JUSTICE.
>> OH, I WILL.
[chuckles]
>> TODAY WAS ENLIGHTENING.
>> VERY.
>> IT WAS INTERESTING TO SORT OF
TRACE HIS STEPS.
I THINK ALL THAT'S LEFT TO DO IS
TO JUST TRY TO MEET HIM.
>> YEAH.
>> ALL RIGHT, HERE GOES NOTHING.
[line trilling]
HELLO, IS THIS JEREZ?
HEY, JEREZ.
THIS IS NEV.
I HAVE A TV SHOW ON MTV--
CATFISH.
AND WE'VE BEEN HEARING A LOT
ABOUT YOU AND SORT OF THE FAMOUS
KIDD COLE.
WE'RE JUST HEARING LOTS ABOUT
YOU, MAN.
WE'RE ACTUALLY SITTING WITH YOUR
OLD FRIEND LUCILLE.
HERE, YOU CAN SAY HELLO.
>> WHAT'S UP?
HOW YOU BEEN?
YOU BEEN OKAY?
>> YOU GUYS HAVE HAD THIS
FRIENDSHIP NOW FOR OVER A YEAR,
I THINK, AND SHE WANTS TO
FINALLY MEET YOU.
WE'D LOVE TO HELP FACILITATE
THAT.
ARE YOU IN D.C. OR...?
OH, OKAY.
YEAH, WELL, WE HEARD FROM
LUCILLE THAT YOU WERE, YOU KNOW,
A MUSIC PRODUCER AND AN ARTIST.
WE--WE THOUGHT THAT WAS COOL.
WE SAW YOUR, YOU KNOW, BIO ON
MTV.
I MEAN, I'M A FAN, OBVIOUSLY, OF
KANYE AND G.O.O.D. MUSIC AND
ALL THAT.
I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE COOL FOR
US TO GET TO MEET YOU.
>> UM...
>> ALL RIGHT, MAN.
I MEAN, DOESN'T SEEM TO HAVE HIS
STORY...
>> YEAH.
>> READY.
>> YEAH.
>> YOU KNOW, WE CAUGHT HIM
OFF GUARD, AND YOU COULD TELL HE
WAS SCRAMBLING.
>> I'M NOT WORRIED OF HIM, LIKE,
SLIPPING THROUGH OUR FINGERS.
>> NO, WE GOT HIM.
[cell phone chimes]
>> KIDD COLE.
HE SAID, "HI. WHAT'S UP?
LET'S MEET AT YARDS PARK AT
12:30 IN THE AFTERNOON."
>> LET'S GO GET OUR GIRL.
>> I CAN'T BELIEVE KIDD COLE HAS
ACTUALLY AGREED TO MEET WITH US.
>> WELL, LET'S NOT FORGET WHAT
HE THINKS THIS IS.
HE THINKS YOU WANT TO MEET HIM.
YOU'RE SOMEONE WHO HAS SORT OF
BEEN HIS FRIEND.
>> YES.
>> NOW, I'M SURE HE'S AWARE THAT
YOU ARE PROBABLY A LITTLE
CONFUSED, IF NOT UPSET...
>> YES.
>> ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED.
>> YES.
I JUST WANT TO ASK HIM WHY.
IF YOU'RE TRYING TO GET NOTICED
OR PICKED UP BY A LABEL, THIS
ISN'T HOW YOU DO IT.
>> BUT MAYBE HE THINKS THAT HE
CAN SORT OF JUST TALK HIS WAY
OUT OF IT.
>> WELL...
>> YOU KNOW WHAT?
HE'S IN FOR A SURPRISE.
>> YES.
LET'S DO THIS.
>> HOW ABOUT DOWN THERE?
>> IS THAT HIM OVER THERE?
>> YEAH, YEAH.
>> YEAH, THAT COULD BE HIM.
>> THIS MUST BE PRETTY WEIRD FOR
YOU.
>> VERY.
>> THERE HE HIS.
>> OH, YEAH, THERE HE IS.
>> MM...
[groans]
HEY, YOU.
>> HOW YOU DOING?
>> HOW ARE YOU?
>> I'M DOING GOOD.
>> SURPRISED TO SEE ME?
>> YEAH.
HEY, WHAT'S UP? HOW YOU DOING?
>> HEY. NEV. HOW YOU DOING?
>> NICE TO MEET YOU.
>> MAX.
>> WHAT'S UP?
>> NICE TO MEET YOU.
>> HOW YOU DOING?
>> WHAT'S THE LATEST WITH YOU?
>> YEAH, WHAT'S GOING ON, MAN?
>> I'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, JUST
RELAXING AND STUFF.
WE'RE JUST DOING SOME STUFF DOWN
HERE.
>> HAVE YOU BEEN IN THE STUDIO?
>> YEAH.
I HAVE A COUPLE OF PROJECTS
COMING UP.
>> WHO ARE YOU WORKING WITH?
>> RIGHT NOW I HAVE A PLACE
WITH--RIGHT NOW WITH WALE RIGHT
NOW I'M WORKING ON.
AND THEN I HAVE ANOTHER ONE
WITH--WITH RZA FROM WU TANG.
>> OKAY.
>> HAVE YOU SEEN OUR SHOW EVER?
>> NO, I NEVER, EVER DID.
SO THAT'S IT.
>> WHAT'S THE DEAL WITH YOU?
>> LIKE WHAT?
I'M LOST.
>> YOU'RE LOST?
>> YEAH, REALLY, I AM.
>> YOU WERE HELPING KIDD OUT
LAST YEAR, RIGHT?
>> NOVEMBER, YEAH.
>> LAST NOVEMBER.
>> YEAH.
>> WHAT HAPPENED THERE?
>> WELL, I WAS PRETTY MUCH THE
GO-TO PERSON FOR EVERYTHING.
I WAS SETTING UP SECURITY,
APPEARANCES AT HIGH SCHOOLS.
I WAS TOLD THAT I WAS GOING TO
BE THE EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT WITH
YOU.
>> JUST WANTED TO GET TO KNOW
WHAT'S GOING ON--YOU KNOW,
WHAT'S UP WITH YOU, THAT'S ALL.
I MEAN, DO PEOPLE CALL YOU
"KIDD COLE" OR...?
>> THAT'S WHAT I'M KNOWN BY,
KIDD COLE, YEAH.
>> RIGHT.
YOUR NAME'S JEREZ, RIGHT?
>> YEAH.
>> IT'S KIND OF TOUGH.
WE WANTED TO FIND SOME OF YOUR
MUSIC ONLINE, BUT WE COULDN'T.
WE WERE--
>> MY SOUNDCLOUD?
>> WE WENT ON YOUR SOUNDCLOUD
PAGE, AND WE LOOKED INTO SOME OF
THE SONGS THAT YOU PUT UP THERE,
AND YOU DIDN'T MAKE THEM.
>> ALL MY BEATS ARE
"COPYWRITTEN," AND I HAVE ALL
LEGAL DOCUMENTATION THAT SAY
THAT, SO...
[distant siren wailing]
I'M NOT A FRAUDULENT PERSON.
EVERYTHING I DO IS CORRECT,
SO...
AND I HAVE PEOPLE AROUND ME
THAT'S LIKE--SOME POWERFUL
PEOPLE BEHIND ME, SO...
>> MIGUEL DISAPPEARS.
WERE YOU PRETENDING TO BE MIGUEL
OR--JUST TO GET RODE AROUND IN
CARS?
'CAUSE THERE ARE PEOPLE
RUNNING BUSINESSES THAT HAVE
THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS OF BILLS
THAT AREN'T BEING PAID.
GINO AND THEM IS OWED OVER
$13,000.
WHAT HAPPENED WITH THAT?
YOU REMEMBER THAT?
>> YEAH.
>> WHAT WAS UP WITH THAT?
>> I LIKE THAT CASE.
WHO MAKES THAT?
CAN I SEE THAT?
YOU'VE BEEN PLAYING PEOPLE...
HARD.
>> ACTUALLY, NO, NOT REALLY.
>> YEAH, REALLY.
YOU CAN GO GET IT IF YOU WANT,
BUT I THINK WE'RE ALL BETTER
OFF WITHOUT YOU HAVING IT.
>> I'M--I'M SERIOUS NOW.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET MY
PHONE, 'CAUSE, LIKE, THAT'S,
LIKE, MY PHONE.
>> WHY DON'T YOU ANSWER SOME
QUESTIONS HERE FOR OUR FRIEND
LUCILLE?
>> BUT YOU SHOULD, LIKE, GET MY
PHONE.
>> WELL, THE PHONE'S GONE, SO...
>> I'M NOT REALLY, LIKE, GONNA
BE HOSTILE WITH YOU, 'CAUSE
YOU'RE GROWN, SO...
>> YEAH.
>> BUT THAT'S MY PHONE.
>> IT SUCKS TO LOSE SOMETHING,
DOESN'T IT?
SOMETHING IMPORTANT TO YOU.
>> YOU JUST THREW MY PHONE FOR
NO REASON.
YOU'RE LIKE--
>> ACTUALLY--
>> LOOK, NO, BUT DO YOU KNOW--
WAIT, HOLD ON.
BUT I'M JUST SAYING I NEVER
DISRESPECTED HIM AT ALL.
>> YOU'RE STANDING HERE, AND
YOU'RE LYING TO US,
AND YOU'VE BEEN LYING TO HER.
YOU'VE BEEN TAKING ADVANTAGE OF
PEOPLE, AND WE JUST WANT YOU TO
TELL US WHAT'S UP AND--AND, YOU
KNOW.
>> ACTUALLY, I HAVEN'T.
>> BE HONEST WITH US.
>> HE JUST THREW MY PHONE.
BUT YOU JUST THREW MY PHONE,
THOUGH.
>> STEP--STEP BACK.
>> [bleep].
THAT'S JUST IRRITATING.
>> TALK TO ME.
>> OKAY.
>> ALL RIGHT.
>> [bleep] THESE CAMERAS, MAN.
LISTEN...
>> DID YOU ORCHESTRATE THIS
WHOLE THING?
>> NO.
>> WERE YOU PRETENDING TO BE
MIGUEL OR...?
>> NO.
I DON'T LIKE REVEALING, LIKE--
I'M A VERY PRIVATE PERSON.
I DON'T LIKE REVEALING
EVERYTHING.
>> THESE PEOPLE HAVE BILLS.
LIKE, THEY HAVE $8,000 BILLS.
>> I'M IRRITATED AND...
GET MY PHONE.
IT'S A WRAP FOR TODAY.
>> I OVERREACTED.
I OVERREACTED.
SORRY I LOST MY COOL.
IT WASN'T--WAS NOT AN OKAY THING
TO DO.
I HEARD WE'RE GOING TO TAKE CARE
OF GETTING YOU A NEW PHONE, SO
I HOPE THAT WILL MAKE IT A
LITTLE BIT BETTER.
BUT PLEASE ACCEPT MY APOLOGY.
>> MM-HMM.
GREAT.
>> HEARD FROM KIDD COLE.
HE'S EXCITED TO SHOW US HIS
STUFF.
>> STILL TO THIS DAY, I'M LIKE,
WITH ALL THE INTELLIGENCE THAT
I DO HAVE, LIKE, FOR THIS KID TO
BE SO YOUNG AND TO HAVE DONE
THIS TO ME, I'M LIKE, "YO,
LIKE...
HOW COULD I HAVE NOT SEEN ALL
THE RED FLAGS?"
>> MAYBE THE STRATEGY TODAY IS
TO KIND OF JUST HEAR WHAT HE HAS
TO SAY.
>> NOT GO ON THE ATTACK.
>> YEAH.
SEE IF HE CAN OFFER US AN
EXPLANATION, WHY HE DOES THIS.
>> I MEAN, I WILL QUIETLY
SOUNDHOUND THE SONGS HE'S
PLAYING.
>> HERE IT IS.
YOU GUYS READY?
>> LET'S DO THIS.
>> THERE'S A NOTE ON THE DOOR.
>> THAT SAYS?
>> IT SAYS, "COME IN.
WE ARE DOWNSTAIRS IN THE
STUDIO."
OKAY.
[door creaks]
WOW.
>> NICE PLACE.
>> VERY NICE.
>> HELLO?
>> HELLO.
>> WHAT'S UP, GUYS?
>> HI.
>> HOW YOU GUYS DOING?
HADI.
>> HADI?
>> YEAH.
>> I THINK YESTERDAY WE GOT OFF
ON A, LIKE, LITTLE--
>> ON A BAD FOOT?
>> YEAH.
>> WE'RE JUST KIND OF DOWN TO BE
HERE AND JUST ENJOY THE PROCESS.
>> WHOSE PLACE IS THIS?
>> OH, THIS IS MINE.
>> IT'S REALLY NICE.
>> OH, THANKS.
>> DO YOU LIVE HERE?
>> YEAH, MY PARENTS DO.
>> OH, SWEET.
>> DID YOU, LIKE, MIX ALL THIS
STUFF?
>> YEAH, MOST OF THESE ARTISTS
JUST RECORDED HERE, AND I JUST
MIXED AND ENGINEERED ALL OF
THIS, SO...
>> WOW.
WHAT ARE YOU GUYS WORKING ON
NOW?
>> HE'S PRODUCING A COUPLE OF
TRACKS.
>> YEAH, WE CAN ACTUALLY PLAY--
PLAY THE TRACK THAT I DID FOR
THIS SINGER--FOR THE ARTIST, IF
THAT'S COOL.
>> YEAH, THAT'D BE AWESOME.
>> YEAH.
[pop music]
>> * NOBODY EVER SAID
* IT WAS EASY
* WE CAN'T AFFORD TO LET IT GO *
* WE CAN TAKE A WALK
* INTO THE HEART OF THE CITY
>> HOW DO YOU GET STARTED WITH,
LIKE, A GOOD BEAT?
>> WELL, USUALLY I START WITH
THE PERCUSSIONS FIRST, AND THEN
I GO INTO THE BASS.
>> CAN YOU RECORD SOME--SOME
VOCALS RIGHT NOW?
IF WE WANTED TO, COULD WE, LIKE,
LAY DOWN SOME--LIKE A VOCAL
TRACK?
>> SURE.
>> I MEAN, IF YOU WANT TO START
ONE, YOU COULD DO, LIKE, A
RAPPING SESSION.
SEE WHAT YOU GOT.
>> OKAY, I'M GAME.
>> YOU WANT TO FREESTYLE, NEV?
[laughs]
>> YEAH, ALL RIGHT.
SO PUT ME IN THE BOOTH.
>> HADI IS GOING TO GET YOU SET
UP.
>> I'M IN.
>> GO THROUGH THAT, UM...
>> WHICH ONE?
>> [sighs] THE IDIOM TRACK WE
WERE GOING--WE WERE LISTENING TO
BEFORE THIS.
>> CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME YET?
I AM IN THE STUDIO.
>> YOU GONNA RECORD ANYTHING?
>> I CAN SORT OF HEAR IT IN MY
HEADPHONES.
>> OKAY, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU,
THOUGH.
>> OH.
>> WHAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW IS
THAT THESE TWO KNUCKLEHEADS...
[chuckles] ARE TRYING TO FIGURE
OUT HOW TO GET THE MICROPHONE TO
RECORD.
>> WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK?
>> I DON'T EVEN KNOW.
LIKE, I'M TRYING TO--FOR SOME
REASON, IT--THE TRACK ISN'T
TRYING TO RECORD.
WHAT IS GOING ON HERE?
[door creaks]
>> ALL RIGHT, SO THEY JUST
PRETTY MUCH HAVE US IN A REALLY,
REALLY AWKWARD POSITION.
NEV, LIKE, REALLY, REALLY WANTS
TO RECORD, AND ALL I CAN DO IS
JUST PLAY THE BEAT.
>> HOW'S IT GOING?
>> GOOD.
>> LOT OF PRESSURE WITH ALL THE
CAMERAS AND STUFF.
>> YEAH.
NO.
>> SO YOU DON'T LIVE HERE.
>> NO.
>> AND DO YOU KNOW KIDD?
>> KIDD, YES, FOR, LIKE, A
MONTH.
>> ARE YOU DOING THIS AS A FAVOR
TO HIM?
>> HE CALLED ME.
HE'S LIKE, "HEY, WE NEED A
STUDIO TO RECORD THE SHOW AT.
DO YOU KNOW ANY GOOD STUDIOS?
I SAID, "YEAH."
>> AND WHAT DO YOU THINK?
IS HE THE REAL DEAL?
>> UM...
>> THIS EPISODE OF
CATFISH: THE TV SHOW CONTINUES
NOW.
>> SO YOU'VE NEVER ACTUALLY SEEN
HIM, LIKE, WORKING ON ANY OF
THE...
>> MM-MM.
SO EVERY TIME, LIKE, HE CAME
WITH SOMETHING, IT WAS
ALREADY...
>> IT WAS ALREADY MADE.
>> YEAH.
>> ALL RIGHT, WELL, LET'S GO
BACK DOWN.
>> ALL RIGHT, COOL.
>> ALL RIGHT, LET'S FIND OUR WAY
OVER TO THE LIVING ROOM.
>> I TALKED TO HADI UPSTAIRS,
AND HE BROKE DOWN TO ME THAT HE
IS NOT AN ENGINEER.
>> I NEED ANSWERS, BECAUSE IT'S
LIKE EVERYTHING THAT YOU PUT ME
THROUGH FOR THOSE TWO WEEKS,
LIKE, YOU HAD ME CALL ALL THESE
PEOPLE UNDER FALSE PRETENSES
THAT I WAS GOING TO BE WITH THE
LABEL, THAT I WAS GOING TO GET A
JOB.
YOU HAD ME GET ALL THESE
SECURITY GUARDS.
YOU HAD ME CALL THE DRIVER AND
DRIVE YOU AROUND.
THIS IS NOTHING TO PLAY WITH.
THESE ARE PEOPLE'S LIVELIHOODS.
>> WHAT'S DRIVING YOU?
WHAT DO YOU WANT?
>> THE ONLY THING I WANT TO DO
IS TO HAVE A BREAK, THE
OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW PEOPLE WHAT
I CAN DO, BECAUSE WITH ME MAKING
MUSIC, I ACTUALLY REALLY KNOW
WHAT THE HECK I'M DOING, AND I'M
REALLY GOOD.
>> ALL I KNOW IS THAT THE SONGS
THAT YOU PLAYED ARE OTHER
PEOPLE'S SONGS.
WE FOUND THEM ON OTHER WEBSITES.
WE KNOW IT'S NOT YOUR STUFF.
IF YOU HAD REAL MUSIC TO SHOW
US, YOU WOULD HAVE SHOWN IT TO
US.
YOU DON'T.
AND THEN WE DROVE AROUND WITH A
VERY LOVELY WOMAN WHO RECENTLY
DROVE YOU AROUND JUST A COUPLE
WEEKS AGO, WHO SPENT $3,000 OF
HER OWN MONEY RENTING FANCIER
CARS FOR YOU BECAUSE SUBURBAN
WASN'T GOOD ENOUGH.
YOU WANTED THE MERCEDES.
YOU SCAMMED HER JUST THE WAY YOU
SCAMMED THE SECURITY GUARDS.
LIKE, YOU'RE A SCAM ARTIST.
>> I MEAN, BASICALLY, YOU
TRYING TO, LIKE, RUIN--LIKE,
HUMILIATE ME.
>> NO, NO, NO.
YOU HUMILIATED YOURSELF.
>> YOU'VE HUMILIATED YOURSELF.
>> YOU THINK YOU KNOW, BUT YOU
REALLY DON'T.
>> WELL, THEN TELL US.
WE WANT TO KNOW.
>> YOU'VE BEEN, LIKE,
DISRESPECTFUL THIS WHOLE TIME.
LIKE, I'M NOT GOING TO ALLOW YOU
TO DISRESPECT MY TALENT BECAUSE
I ACTUALLY AM TALENTED.
I'M NOT GOING TO ALLOW THAT TO
HAPPEN.
>> THOSE ARE GOOD, HARDWORKING
PEOPLE WHO ARE STRUGGLING NOW
BECAUSE OF SOME THE CHOICES
YOU'VE MADE.
>> I DON'T HAVE THE TIME TO
STEAL NOBODY'S STUFF.
I DON'T DO THAT.
>> WE JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND.
>> I'M NOT TRYING TO DECEIVE
PEOPLE, SCAM PEOPLE.
THAT'S NOT--THAT'S NOT--
>> BUT THAT'S HOW THEY'RE GOING
TO SEE IT.
I CAN UNDERSTAND DOING IT ONCE,
BUT, LIKE, WHY'D YOU DO IT,
LIKE, THREE TIMES?
BUT, LIKE, RIGHT NOW YOU'VE
USED UP A LOT OF GOODWILL.
YOU OWE THESE PEOPLE MONEY.
I KNOW YOU PROBABLY CAN'T GIVE
THEM THE MONEY THAT YOU TOOK.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S, LIKE, AN
APOLOGY.
YOU'RE JUST LIKE, "LOOK, I'M
REALLY SORRY," OR JUST
SOMETHING.
LIKE, IT MIGHT MAKE YOU FEEL
BETTER, IT MIGHT MAKE THEM FEEL
BETTER.
>> YEAH.
>> WHAT IS IT THAT DRIVES YOU TO
DO THIS?
>> SO, I MEAN...
WHEN I WAS 16, WE HAD TO STAY
IN A SHELTER.
THE DIRECTOR OF THE SHELTER PUT
US IN FOSTER CARE.
"I WANT TO BE A MUSIC PRODUCER.
I WANT TO MAKE BEATS AND
EVERYTHING."
AND THEN THAT'S WHEN, LIKE, THE
SOCIAL WORKER WAS LIKE, "YOU'RE
NOT GOING TO, LIKE, BE ANYTHING.
LIKE, YOU CAN'T MAKE MUSIC."
THEY DIDN'T TAKE ME SERIOUSLY.
I REALLY GOT PISSED OFF.
>> IF YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE A
NAME FOR YOURSELF, THIS ISN'T
HOW YOU DO IT.
YOU HAVE TO WORK HARD.
YOU HAVE TO MAKE MISTAKES.
YOU HAVE TO FIND OUT FOR
YOURSELF.
BUT THE MAIN THING ABOUT IT IS
THAT YOU HAVE TO DO THE WORK.
YOU JUST CAN'T GET IT OVERNIGHT
LIKE THAT.
IF NOBODY CAN TRUST YOU, THEN
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO PUT
THEMSELVES OUT THERE TO EVEN TRY
TO GET TO KNOW YOU TO EVEN GIVE
YOU THAT RESPECT THAT YOU'RE
TRYING TO GET FROM THEM.
>> YOU'RE TOO SMART TO BE DOING
WHAT YOU'RE DOING, AND IT WOULD
SUCK TO SEE YOU CONTINUE TO MAKE
SOME OF THESE BAD DECISIONS
>> WELL, DEFINITELY THE ROUTE
THAT I'M GOING IS NOT CORRECT,
SO...
I'LL JUST--AND I'LL WORK ON
MYSELF AND, LIKE, GET THINGS
DONE AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.
THAT'S PRETTY MUCH HOW I GOT TO
DO IT, SO...
>> WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO
SEEING...
>> THE CHANGES.
>> SEEING THAT HAPPEN.
>> ALL RIGHT.
>> YEAH.
>> JUST BE CAREFUL.
>> * PLEASE DON'T THINK *
* I AM WAITING
* ON YOUR SO-CALLED
* PROGRESS
>> I DON'T KNOW WHETHER OR NOT
HE HEARD ME, BUT I PUT MY
EVERYTHING INTO IT.
I WAS SERIOUS ABOUT EVERYTHING
I WAS SAYING.
LIKE, THIS ISN'T--YOU CAN'T DO
THIS.
>> YEAH, HE MIGHT NEVER CHANGE
HIS BEHAVIOR, BUT--BUT YOU
CERTAINLY ARE WISER FOR THIS.
>> OH, YEAH.
NOW I KNOW THAT IF IT'S TOO GOOD
TO BE TRUE, THEN IT PROBABLY IS.
[Bernhoft's
Everything Will Be Alright]
>> LUCILLE.
>> HEY, LUCILLE.
WHAT'S UP, GIRL?
>> HI, YOU GUYS.
>> HOW ARE YOU?
>> I'M DOING GOOD.
SCHOOL AND WORK.
>> * EVERYTHING
* WILL BE ALL RIGHT
* THIS MORNING
* EVERYTHING
* GONNA BE ALL RIGHT
>> MEETING KIDD COLE, WHAT DID
THAT LEAVE YOU WITH?
>> I HAVE A BIG HEART, AND
I LIKE TO HELP PEOPLE, AND THAT
CAN BE A BLESSING AND A CURSE.
>> HE IS ONE OF THE MOST INTENSE
CATFISH WE'VE EVER HAD ON THE
SHOW, SO...
>> YEAH.
>> YOU CAN'T FEEL BAD ABOUT
GETTING HOOKED BY HIM.
>> YEAH, THE LATEST THING WITH
HIM--HE'S SAYING THAT HE WAS
THE COPRODUCER OF BEYONCE'S
DRUNKEN LOVE.
>> WOW.
>> YEAH.
>> KID BE BOLD.
>> YEAH.
>> UNBELIEVABLE.
>> HOPEFULLY PEOPLE WILL SEE HIM
FOR WHO HE IS.
>> AWESOME.
>> ALL RIGHT.
WELL, HANG IN THERE.
GOOD LUCK WITH SCHOOL, AND
HOPEFULLY SOON ENOUGH YOU'LL BE
OUT THERE BUSTING CRIMINALS.
>> OKAY.
>> LET'S DO IT.
>> SOUNDS GOOD.
>> ALL RIGHT, GUYS, TAKE CARE.
>> BYE.
>> BYE, LUCILLE.
>> * THE HATERS
>> * HATERS
>> * THE HATERS GONNA HATE
* BUT JUST GIVE A LITTLE LOVE
* AND THEN YOU WIN 'EM *
* ALL OVER IN THE END
*
>> SHE'S THE BAD ASS GIRL FROM
DEATH PROOF.
"MY CATFISH IS NOT ROMANTIC IN
NATURE."
>> SAYING WE MADE HER UP, AND
GAVE HER CANCER, AND KILLED HER
FOR ATTENTION.
>> SHE'S, LIKE, A SERIAL
SUPER-FAN.
BUT MOST SUPER-FANS DON'T GO
THIS FAR.
>> WAS THE PLAN TO GIVE HER
CANCER AND KILL HER?
WHOSE FUNERAL WAS THAT?
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