90 Day Fiancé: Before the 90 Days (2017–…): Season 5, Episode 17 - Tell All Part 1 - full transcript

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Nothing is off limits.

You know, you got to
reciprocate that passion.

We get into
arguments frequently,

and that does affect it.

Okay? It does.

- Nelcy, shut up!
- Do not tell me to shut up.

Then just... just leave.

Nelcy, sit down.

The emotions
reach a breaking point.

If you're in an
international relationship,



you don't cheat.

I have zero respect
for you for that.

Are you a grown adult? Do you
need people to, like, coddle you?

You have not been with
anybody else since that time?

What about your birthday?

And I'd like for
you to be honest.

And secrets are revealed.

That's up.

You didn't know that
Usman had called Zara?

Nope. I did not.

And it all starts now.

Hey.

I'm excited about today.

I am a little nervous,
but, you know,



exciting at the
same time, you know.

What are people going
to think of my story?

Are they going to have
any criticism of me.

I'm feeling a little nervous.

I don't know what's
going to happen.

Um, I don't know what
questions I'm going to be asked.

I might have to
defend myself today.

At the end of the day, I want
to be prepared for everything.

How you doing, Gino?

Thank you.

- I still got the hat on.
- Yeah.

You gotta take that
thing off there, bud.

Yeah, right.

See? Bald.

Jeez.

So where is everyone else at?

I don't know.

I'm a little bit, uh, nervous
because I'm not sure,

you know, what questions
are going to come at me, right?

I know some of my friends had
their concerns about Ximena.

I just ignore all
those comments.

I want to know what
Ximena is in this for.

Is she in it for a green
car to come to America?

That's the question
that I would have.

I'm excited
to be here in New York

because my son lives here,

but I'm nervous to be
here at the same time.

- Hi.
- Hey, Kim.

- Hey.
- How are you doing?

There's... there's things
about the other couples

that I've seen that
they concern me.

I'm really not looking forward
to seeing Ximena or Ella.

Like, how are you
all doing? Good?

- Good.
- Yeah, I'm doing great.

Is there anybody you're,
like, excited to meet or excited

to, like, see their story?

It's a tough question because
they're all interesting to me.

Yeah, Mike and Ximena,
I'm interested in that one.

And then the whole Ella and
Johnny thing, I don't condone that.

I think Ella was... trash
for sleeping on this...

this nice man and the hurt
on his face, when I saw it,

it was just... It hurt
my heart, you know?

I am freaking out inside.

I am not very confident
and I'm just a little nervous.

I'm nervous as to whether
Mahogany is going to show up or not.

I don't know if she will.

I can take the bullets. I
just don't know if she can.

I don't know if she's ready to.

- Hey, guys.
- Hi.

- What's up?
- How's it going?

- Good to see you.
- Yeah.

Ben, you're so cute.

- Oh, my God.
- So are you.

And I love my man,
but you're gorgeous.

A lot of the guys are not, uh,

standing up to their women,

and they're allowing them to
cross their personal boundaries

of human dignity.

I just want to know if they're,
like, willing to stand for themselves.

It's... it's going
to be interesting.

I'm nervous,
but I'm really, really,

really excited to
meet everybody.

I am so sad that I'm
coming here knowing

that I'm the only one
who has not seen my man.

- Ella.
- Hey...

How are you? Good
to see you in the flesh.

My moment of
weakness when I decided

to get animalistic,

I definitely know I'm going
to get a lot of flak for tha

Johnny is... is definitely
an amazing man.

And I did him wrong.

I'm pretty sure I'm going
to get some harsh judgment

on one of my things that
happened in my story.

So I'm interested to see
what happens with that.

You know, when you cheat,
this is what you deal with.

But for me, there's a lot of
judgment for him going over there

and following my heart,
which is crazy to me

because that's what I
should have done, you know.

You seemed to come on
pretty strong from what I saw.

- I went for what I wanted.
- Well, like...

Okay, guys are... I'm
going to stereotype now,

so I'm going to get in trouble.

- Okay.
- We as men are the predators.

We are lions
looking for gazelles.

And you're kind of hoping
that it's a bit of a race.

You know, you don't want
it to just, like, lay down.

It's like, "Well,
that wasn't fun."

So, like, if a gazelle
ever attacked me,

I wouldn't know what to do.

I mean, to me,
it's just a turn-off.

But if Usman likes
that sort of thing,

all the power to him, but
he seemed like he didn't.

Sorry, guys.

I lost my respect for him
when he called me a predator.

I did not like that.

Everybody is only seeing a part
of me, you know what I'm saying?

And I don't feel
like I was a predator.

I feel like I'm 51 years old,
I went for what I wanted.

That's how I feel.

And if it came across that I'm a
predator, get the out of here.

You shouldn't have
even said that to me.

It was an insult
to me as a woman.

There's my girl.

- Memphis, oh, my God.
- Okay.

Okay, we got a
little competition, girl.

I love Memphis.

Memphis and I actually became
really good friends, and we talk a lot.

So Ben called me a predator.

He called you a predator?

He called me a predator.
He said I was... What was it?

The gazelle and the lion.

Yeah, I think
that's... Yeah, I think it's rude.

Here you are dating all
these really young women,

but, you know, why
can't a woman do that?

That's what I don't like
about the double standard.

And that's how I feel, too.

Let's go.

- I'm a little nervous.
- That'll be your chair.

Okay.

I don't think people are
going to be happy with me

for some silly
things that I did.

Unfortunately,
I'm a people pleaser

and I'm quite terrified
to upset everybody.

There's a couple
of things I wasn't proud of.

I just hope the other
couples think I'm a good,

genuine person.

I'm probably going to get called
out for not confronting her enough

about some of
the inconsistencies

and just being love blind.

I'm going to tell my opinion.
I'm a very straightforward woman.

All right, here we go.

Okay. Here we go, guys.

Three, two.

Hello and welcome to Before
the 90 Days: The Couples Tell All.

I'm Shaun Robinson.

We have six
couples with us today,

either in studio

or joining remotely
from all over the world.

Everyone here has
something in common,

they've been looking for love,

but finding love,
you know, isn't easy

and keeping it
can be even harder.

Some relationships
stand the test of time,

while others flicker out.

So let's get right into it.

Now, there is one couple who
will not be joining us tonight,

Caleb and Alina.

However, to our surprise,
one of our couples

will be with us
together and in person.

Does everybody
want to know who it is?

- Yeah.
- Ready?

Okay.

Let's bring out Hamza.

- What?
- Yeah.

Hey.

- Hey, how you doing?
- Hi.

Welcome.

We're all very surprised and
excited to see you and Memphis.

It's a pleasure to meet
you for the very first time.

We have an
interpreter for Hamza.

His name is Ed, and
Ed will be speaking

with us throughout the show.

Now I want to move
on to Ella and Johnny.

Ella, good to see you in person.

Good to see you, too.

And, Johnny,
thank you for joining us

from all the way around
the world in China.

How are you today?

Yes, very nice.

And I can't wait to
get into your story.

And we have here,
Gino and Jasmine.

Welcome. Good to meet you guys.

Jasmine, thank you
for joining us remotely

from Panama.

Whoo!

Whoo!

Well, now, one of the
things you guys talked about

was your hat, Gino.

- Oh, my hat?
- What?

Your hat.

Why don't you just
take it off, Gino?

- Take it off.
- Take it off.

- Babe, do it.
- He's not gonna do it.

He's not gonna do it.

Mike and Ximena,
it is good to see you.

Um, Ximena, thank
you for joining us

from all the way from Colombia.

Mike, the last time that
we saw you and Ximena,

things were not
going well at all.

So, Mike, what is the status
of your relationship today?

Um, we were able to work it out,

and today we're back together.

- Wow.
- Yeah.

- Thank you.
- Way to go, Mike.

Okay.

I did not expect you to
say that, I'm telling you.

You guys had so
many ups and downs,

that's going to
be quite a story.

So I, uh, can't wait to
talk to you about that.

Okay. Now, let's
move over to Kimberly.

- Nice to meet you. Kim.
- Nice to meet you, too.

- How are you?
- I'm good, thank you.

- How are you?
- Great.

And, Usman, it's
good to see you again.

Kimberly.

- Benjamin.
- Nice to meet you, Sean.

And we have Mahogany joining us

all the way from Peru.

You are a couple that
ended on a really sad note

after breaking up.

It was just kind of a
disaster, you know?

When was the last
time you guys spoke?

Uh, we spoke last night.

I can't wait to hear what
that conversation was like, Benjamin.

Yeah, I'm
interested to hear that.

- Because... Goodness.
- Yeah.

But right now,
let's kick things off

with Gino and Jasmine.

Congratulations
on your proposal.

Yes. Flashing that bling, girl.

That means you got to
get her here quick, Gino.

- Yeah.
- So what are the formal plans?

Well, I have a K-1
visa in process.

You do? Okay.

I submitted to immigration,

and we're about at the
fifth month or so waiting,

or sixth, actually.

Wonderful.

Now, one issue that kept
getting in the way of Gino

and Jasmine's love
was Jasmine's jealousy.

Let's take a look at how
Gino dealt with these moments.

Sometimes Jasmine
can get really jealous,

and that concerns
me a little bit.

She says, evidence, reports.

So, usually when I go out,
I'll send her a screenshot

or check in with her.

Hi.

Yeah, I just got a carry
out for fish and chips.

How you doing?

And what's your first name?

- My name's Brittany.
- Brittany. Okay.

Yeah, it was nice meeting you.

- Thank you.
- Thank you.

- Bye.
- Bye.

Yes.

Why not
say hi? It's not...

It was my first time
in the restaurant.

I never have been there.

Which is true.

You don't have
to say nasty stuff.

Whoa!

Jasmine.

I see it.
So I understand that.

That was a little much, though,
with the little police emoji.

It was a little much.

I want to be nice and
say hi, what's your name?

But I wasn't hitting on her.

Jasmine, do you worry
that Gino is cheating on you?

All the time?

Why? I never cheated on you.

I have not. It's a fact.

Um, Gino, have you messaged

anybody in this cast?

What do you mean?

Have you, like,
sent DMs or anything

to anybody that you have
met through this cast?

- Through this cast?
- Yes.

I mean, I've talked to
the cast themselves.

Yeah.

- But no.
- But that's it.

Nobody, nobody that has a
connection with anybody in this cast?

No.

Okay.

So what about
Benjamin's friend Jessica?

What about her?

Have you messaged her?

- Uh... no.
- Okay.

But there's not been any
communication between you

and her at all.

- Okay.
- What happened?

Coming up...

Oh, my God.

And later...

You didn't know?

Nope, I did not.

That's up.

I need a minute.

I don't know.

Tell the truth now, Gino.

I'm telling you.

I think she messaged me
hi and I responded back,

"Hello, how are
you?" or something.

Okay.

So, first, Gino, there was
no communication at all.

Now there is communication.

We actually have the DMs.

No.

Jessica gave this to you, right?

Okay. Um...

She responded...

Gino, that shows me that
you reached out to her first.

No, she originally reached
out and said hello to me first.

Okay.

And would you be able to pull
that conversation up on your DMs?

I don't think I have that. No.

Why would you delete it?

Well, I was not
hitting on her. Okay?

I... I never cheated
on Jasmine ever.

No, but she reached...

She reached out to
me first, I remember.

And I was just being friendly,

having a friendly
conversation with her.

So there's nothing there.

- Because I love Jasmine. I...
- Okay.

Okay.

Okay, we're going to
dig into that a little later,

but for now, we're
going to move on.

When Gino traveled to
Panama, he brought along

some blue pills

in case he needed help
performing with Jasmine.

He didn't end up needing them
for this never-before-seen moment

that brought up a whole lot of
questions about their sex life.

Let's take a look.

Huh?

You couldn't wait an hour?

Oh... Look at Mike.

I'm sorry, that's...

Okay.

So, yeah, I mean, I
remember that night,

I was super tired.

Not tired enough
to play with pee-pee.

I didn't have enough
energy to, uh...

Okay.

- Do the wild thing.
- All right.

Jasmine, why do you
consider that cheating?

Gino, is that true?

No,
it's not true. It's not true.

Where do you get the
idea that I'm masturbating?

Jasmine, did you see him do it?

No.

I'm telling you...

Well, whatever you're
seeing is not what you think

because I'm just telling
you for a fact that...

- Okay.
- It's not the case.

Oh, man.

I don't know why you keep saying

I like to or prefer to
masturbate. It's not true at all.

But you were there
for an entire month

and you only had sex one time?

No, that's... No. No, no, no.

- How many times, Gino?
- How many times...

I don't know exactly, but it
was definitely more than once,

definitely more than once.

Coming up...

Gino, what site did you

and Jasmine meet on?

Um...

I can't remember exactly.

You were there
for an entire month

and you only had sex one time?

The thing that happens is
we get into arguments frequently

and that does affect it, okay?

It does.

I love you, Jasmine.

Gino, you got to
reciprocate that passion.

Yeah. And I want to
improve this situation, okay?

And I want to argue less.

But if the argument is over
not having sex, just have sex.

Well, during Gino
and Jasmine's blowout fight

about sending the nude photos,

some new things were
revealed about Gino's dating past.

Let's take a look.

Before I met Jasmine

I was looking for, like,
a long-term relationship,

but typical dating sites,
they were not working for me.

Um, so I wanted to
try something different.

A couple of times,
but it was dinner dates.

I paid them.

Wow. Okay.
Gino, I found that so...

surprising that you
would actually pay women

to go out on dates with you,

not just pay for dinner,
but actually pay the women.

Why did you do that?

No, that...

There was more
options to girls that were,

I was more attracted to, um...

If you actually paid them?

- For dinner.
- Oh, my God.

I was not having sex
with these girls. Dinner.

How much would you pay them

I can't remember exactly.

But it varied. Uh,
probably 100 or less.

Hundred dollars. Okay.

But this is my past.
This is my past. This is...

How many dates like
this did you go on, Gino?

Probably less than five.

How many dates do
you think it was, Jasmine?

A minimum of 30?

Gino, what is the sugar
baby relationship like?

Like what... what does
that whole thing entail?

I mean, it's just
like a friendly date

that where the man
could help out the,

for companionship,

that the man would
could pay some money...

- Okay.
- To go on a date.

There's probably some
women on there that are looking

for more than just dinner, okay?

- Yeah. Okay.
- Oh, man.

Yeah. Okay, Gino.

So what site did you

and Jasmine meet on?

Um...

All right, so we met on...

believe it or not,

a sugar baby site.

Okay, okay.

There is still so much
more to talk about.

We'll be right back
after the break.

Coming up...

You know, people who are
saying that cheating is horrible, like...

It's not the same thing, Ella.

And I'm kind of, I'm kind
of offended you said that.

It's not cheating because
he's not lying to me about it.

You lied.

It's really up.

And later...

You didn't know
that Usman had called Zara?

- Nope, I did not.
- Oh, my gosh.

What is that, like...

Wow. This is humiliating.

Three, two.

All right. Now let us
focus on Kim and Usman.

We first met Usman
on season four

of Before the 90 Days,

but unfortunately that
marriage did not last.

So he attempted
to find true love again,

this time with Kim.

So Kim, how has
your dynamic changed

with Usman since you
became officially his girlfriend?

Um, since I've been back,
things are a little, you know,

I don't talk to him as much.

I don't know, like, making
plans is, kind of, hard right now.

Here we go, there's
always an excuse.

Kim, you said that
you would allow Usman

to marry a second
wife and have kids.

I don't really know, to
be honest, you know?

I feel, like, if him and
I were to get married.

I am 51 years old.

I cannot... I don't
want any more children.

I can't have any more children.

But I feel like I
would be selfish

if I did not let this
man have children.

It's his culture for him to have
children to carry on his name.

But like the marriage thing,
we haven't talked about that yet.

Whoa!

We haven't even
crossed that step.

That's why it's crazy we were
even talking about this part.

But I have to, because
it's his culture, you know?

So Kim, how would you feel
about Usman being intimate

with one other woman?

I don't know, like,
how I feel about it.

I can't really say
until it happens.

Is it going to be easy? No.

And everybody's like, "Oh,
you're crazy. Oh, you're crazy."

Maybe. But I love him.

Is there anybody who
thinks this ain't going to work?

- Memphis.
- I can't share my man.

I really can't.

But at the end of the day, if she's willing
to sacrifice for the person that she loves,

I mean, who am I to
tell her that that's wrong?

That's something
that she, you know,

that they will have
to deal with, but he...

Mm-mm.

I know that.

And I know that.

You know, people
who are saying, you know,

that cheating
is horrible, like...

It's not the same thing, Ella.

And I'm, kind of, I'm kind
of offended you said that

because when and
if this day happens,

that's not cheating because
he's not lying to me about it.

I'm going in knowing
about it. You lied.

And he's not lying to me.

Let me tell you, if
some other woman,

like, he just
cheated on me with,

this whole relationship
would be over.

But this is something...

This is a culture thing.

It might not be right...

Let me finish. Let me finish.

It might not be right for you,
but I don't look at it as like

he's cheating on me
because I'm aware of it, right?

Do you see what I'm saying?

I'm very well aware that
it would rip my heart out

to know that he's
going to lay down

with some other
woman to have children

because I can't,

but it's a respect issue.

We'll cross that bridge
when we come to it.

I mean, let me enjoy
being Sojaboy's girlfriend.

Let's move on to another topic.

Along with their
physical connection,

another important
aspect to this relationship

was Usman's relationship
with Kim's son, Jamal.

Now we're going
to bring in Jamal

to see how he feels
about Usman possibly

becoming his stepdad.

Please welcome Jamal.

What's up, what's up?

- How are you doing, Jamal?
- I'm good.

Jamal, tell me
how you feel about Usman

possibly becoming your stepdad

now that you have
seen how things

have transpired between them.

Well, first, I'm never
going to call Usman my stepdad.

That just sounds
weird off the bat.

And why not?

Um, because he could
be my mom's son, for one.

- Wow.
- Which is kind of weird.

I'm sorry. But I
don't know, like...

From what I've seen, you
know, his intentions, you know,

are still, it's still kind
of a puzzle to me.

You know, I can't
sit here and say, like,

I wouldn't disrupt the wedding.

You can't say you wouldn't
disrupt the wedding.

You know, y'all's
relationship is a little mysterious.

Well, it looks a little
strange, doesn't it?

What... what is
strange about it?

I mean, for one,
it's the age difference.

For two, you know, she's been
taken advantage of plenty of time.

So, I mean, you got Usman
a MacBook and a PS5.

Those are expensive
gifts, you know,

and she managed
a lot for him there.

So it's, like, I don't know
if he wants an assistant

or if he wants a girlfriend.

Wow.

I don't know.

It's like he doesn't, he
doesn't cut straight.

I mean, I would never call
someone of my potential.

I feel like that's
just disrespectful.

So do you think Usman
is playing your mom?

Oh...

Say it, Jamal.

Coming up...

Oh, you called her?

That's up.

So, Jamal, you think
Usman is playing your mom?

Oh...

Say it, Jamal.

I think it's two
different types of love.

I think my mom is
in love with Usman,

and I think he loves
the idea of my mom.

Okay.

I don't think it's cool to
call her your potential.

Like, what the is that?

Like, what is a potential?

Well, Kim and Usman hit a snag

when Usman revealed
his past relationship

with another American
woman named Zara.

When Kim found
out the real meaning

behind his song "Zara"

they had their
biggest fight yet.

Wow.

I don't understand how
somebody could just

tell me he loves me
and then just, like,

the whole... I feel like everything
was a lie now, you know?

You need to do something big.

I don't know what the
that is because I'm not you.

But I'm not...

Until you prove it and
you prove I'm the one,

I don't even want to be
around you, seriously.

Oh, is it funny?

Is this funny, too?

I hope that was funny, too.

Jamal, how did it make you feel

seeing your mother so upset?

Usman, you know, that was up.

To find out that Zara
was an "actual woman"

was like a slap in my face.

He should have
been honest with me

because I would have never
pursued anything with him

if I thought that he was
dating somebody else.

When I told you I was
falling in love with you,

you should have been
like, "Hey, you know,

I respect you enough
to tell you right now

that I'm in a relationship
with somebody."

Oh, my gosh.

You're over here trying
to justify yourself whereas

you should just admit, like,
"Yeah, I should have told you."

Like, that's it.

Well, when Kim left Tanzania,
she thought she was leaving

her issues about Zara behind.

What she didn't
realize was that Usman

might not have closed
that book entirely.

Take a look.

Oh, no.

Oh, you called her?

Well, thank you for calling me.

Okay.

- Wow.
- Are you sure about that?

Wow. This is humiliating.

That's up.

That's really up.

You didn't know
that Usman had called Zara?

Nope. I did not.

Like, what the is that?

Like...

I need a minute.

Why are you clapping
at her like that?

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After
everything I did, to call Zara,

is a slap in my face.

Feel like, "What do I do now?

Do I make it work now?"

I had a friend come out
and hang out with me.

Not the same one,
but a different one.

Were you guys intimate at all?

I'll tell you one thing,
you're not ready

for this type of
relationship, honey.

Are you a grown adult?

Do you need people
to, like, coddle you?

Yeah, I know I
up. I owned it.

This was meant to be
a one-time thing only.

No, no, no.

That's something you
should just never do.

You had so much
criticism for my relationship

and for everybody on here,

and yours is the worst one here.

This is Benjamin's
friend that Gino was talking to.

Ximena, are you back together?

Wow.