The Vow (2020–…): Season 1, Episode 7 - Blame & Responsibility - full transcript

Catherine travels to Buffalo to meet with Frank Parlato, creator of "The Frank Report," to build a dossier of evidence. Toni Natalie, one of Keith's former girlfriends, share hers experiences and challenges she faced with Keith.

I'm the
front page of the New York Times.

All of a sudden,
the whole world knows.

I'm hoping the authorities
will take another look.

I hope so too.

I gave up making
millions to help build the company.

During my nine years there,

there were 12 women
he was intimate with.

I held a forum.

There were nine women
who wanted to confront Keith.

We all resigned.

We wrote our resignation letter
asking for money



that was owed to us.

This is extortion.
We are filing criminal charges.

They said that I had done

all of these crimes
against them.

So I had to defend all of those.

I just spoke to Frank Parlato.

This is my last resort,

going to the media,

and unless there's outrage,
the authorities are not gonna

step in and do what
they should do,

which is shut this down.

Oh, my God, it's
the attorney general!

The negative aspect
of shame is what you feel with guilt.

Shame is actually
the fear of approaching,



or being associated with others,

because of whatever you did.

In other words,
you did something that was shameful.

Shame is when you don't want
to be associated with something,

so you fearfully
run away from it.

Just like guilt,
shame is a verdict we pass on ourselves.

But the issue here
is how you handle shame.

Someone who is at cause
doesn't feel shame in the same way.

As the results of their actions
unfold to them,

they feel a strong
motivation to stop it.

When the at cause person sees
something they've done going awry,

and realizes that they've
participated in something

that goes against their values,

they're motivated to face it,
and do something about it.

They feel empowered.

In the past two weeks,

since the "New York Times"
articles have come out,

I would say 100 publications
have picked up the story.

"People" to "Megyn Kelly"
to "20/20," "Nightline."

This is, like, all over
the freaking world.

And I am conflicted,

because I have a child
who's blaming me

for potentially destroying her
reputation for the rest of her life.

This is a horrible situation
for a parent to be in.

He's not even commented.

I sent him the media that
we got online yesterday,

I texted him the cover
of the newspaper.

He's not even...
I said, "We need to talk."

Nothing. Nothing!

And I am a tad
hysterical right now.

Part of me was fantasizing that
she would say, "Mom, come get me.

You're right.
I want to come home."

And that's not the case at all.

In fact, quite the opposite.

I texted her...

"Darling, please call me.
I love you."

Nothing. No response.

And quite frankly,
if I were in her position,

I would be pretty pissed, too.

Sarah Edmondson Hello?

Hi, love.

- How are you?
- I'm okay.

Catherine,
you said you have news.

Can you fill us in?

Yeah. Okay, so,

the chief investigator in the Attorney
General Schneiderman's office

has reached out to me,

and they're interested in
the criminal angle.

What we need

is evidence of criminality,

that will help bolster
a criminal case.

We need to be able to
collect all the evidence,

- to hand a package in to the authorities.
- Okay.

We need
more people to come out on the record,

stating their experience.
And if those people

have been involved
in illegal activities,

or aware of illegal activities,

- we need that information.
- Mm-hmm.

Okay, here is a question, guys.

Who can we bring in to help us,

because all of us
can't do all of this.

Look... look, remember,
we have different agendas.

I have a child to save.

- I don't want to burden you...
- Of course.

- With extra stuff, so.
- No.

This is, she's not my child,
but I...

I'll have your back wherever
you want me to have your back.

- Okay?
- Thank you, Sarah. That means a lot to me.

All right,
I'm gonna start a list.

Anyone for sure
that we can trust.

And I'm just gonna say,
"Who wants to help?"

Is that okay?

- Yeah, fantastic.
- Yeah, that's great. I think that's great.

And remember Frank Parlato?

He has a lot of sources
inside and outside of ESP

that report to him.

He's says he's got
about 30 people.

Right now,
he has more information

about what's going on
than really anybody else.

Some of the
stuff Frank writes is very vulgar,

and over the top.

Like it's really rough.

Every time
there's an article about India,

- and they're usually pretty graphic...
- Mm-hmm.

It hurts.

But I don't interfere
with his reporting.

- Is that what it was?
- Yeah.

I mean,
he's kind of strong-arming these women

who are not really
understanding.

They're scared
to come out, and get,

you know,
screwed by this whole thing.

He's not at all
remotely sensitive to that.

Frank has published lies

about people
that have really hurt them.

I think he is
potentially guilty of some things

but they pale in comparison to
everything else that's going on.

Frank Parlato.

- Frank?
- Frank Parlato:

- Hey, how are you?
- I'm okay.

The chief
investigator called me.

He wants a meeting with me
on Monday, November 6th.

But I need all
the evidence in hand.

Otherwise, it's a waste
of a meeting.

But I want to strategize, and...

I'm... Are you available
that weekend prior?

Monday. So I have
the weekend to prepare.

Mm-hmm.

I've never met him in person.

I imagine he's a character.

He is a character.

And he was kind of odd on the
phone when I first reached out.

But the more I got to know him,

the more I realized
we have the same agenda.

And I think he's helped
a lot of people get out.

Mom, you picked up!

- What?
- I said hello.

Listen,
I need you to do something.

Can you call
Charles and get a direct contact

- with the Dalai Lama?
- Uh-huh?

I want to tell him that my
daughter's being held as a sex slave,

- to this organization because...
- Yes.

He should probably make some
sort of public statement.

And Charles is
very close with him.

- Fantastic. All right. So,
I just... -

Yeah, I'm landed in...
I'm in Buffalo,

driving right now to
Frank Parlato's house

to put together the evidence.

For my meeting on Monday.

Tonight we're
staying at Frank's house.

No, I've never met him
in person.

I think so.

What do you
think of The Frank Report?

All right, love you, Mom.

Bye. I shall.

Kiss, kiss. Bye.

Prince Charles.

He's Mom's second cousin.

That's it?

It's the one that looks
like the Addams Family?

Yeah.

Hi. It's so good to meet you.

- This is Jerry.
- Hi.

- Hi. Nice to meet you.
- Hi. Lovely to meet you.

- That's Brad.
- Who's Brett?

- Brad.
- Brad.

I'm Catherine. Nice to meet you.

So, where do you want to work?
Are we gonna need a table?

- Are we gonna need...
- Oh, we need the printer. Brad...

I got the printer.

- Oh, I gotta get the paper.
- Paper.

I'll do the...
Paper's in the front seat.

- Would you help me?
- Yeah, I'll grab it.

Got enough? Got enough film?

Um, yeah. We can do as
much as we... as much as you want.

Let's do "cut" right now,
'cause I gotta talk something private.

Yeah, but you see,
the real chess people,

the greatest chess people,
including myself,

we don't need a board.

We keep the whole game
in our head.

You plan out 14 steps ahead.
I'm seven to go.

Can I try pineapple
and carrot juice?

So, Frank has a juicer
that he's never used.

But we can christen it.

All right, everybody
cross their fingers.

I'm sure there's
a better way of doing this.

Okay!

Here. You be
the official taster.

Who else wants juice?

- It's very good.
- You like it?

- Yes, very nice.
- Well, it's what we had,

and I winged it.
That's kind of how I cook.

Thank you so much.

Aw, Debbie, you're so sweet.

Thank you for helping.

So,
we're trying to put together a package.

True evidence
of criminal activity.

She's going to see
the Attorney General's

chief deputy and investigator.

We have a list of crimes,

and we want to know how
best to present those crimes,

and how much information to give
pertaining to each crime.

Read off some of the crimes.

So human trafficking, extortion,

uh, assault, hazing,
scheme to defraud.

Immigration fraud,
wire fraud, money laundering,

tax evasion,
retaliation against witnesses,

slavery, kidnapping,
medical malpractice.

I can't
prove all of these claims.

Mm-hmm.

So, would you go with
a leaner package,

or a bigger package?

She can tell you,
they're starving her daughter,

they're making her sleep deprived,
they've branded her.

They're coercing her to have
sexual activities,

and to coerce other women
to have sex with Raniere.

- It's human trafficking, I think.
- Yeah.

Yes.

Well, plus, they all
gave collateral.

And they were told
if they didn't fulfill
their assignments,

they would release that.

Blackmail. Let's just
call it what it is.

Exactly.

And people have gone to law
enforcement with that evidence

and they still have
turned them away.

So how do we handle
this list of crimes?

I want to make sure
that I'm saying this right.

"Clare Bronfman 'loaned, '"
in quotation marks,

uh, "at least $65 million to Keith
Raniere and NXIVM companies.

NXIVM declares no income and
therefore cannot repay said loan."

That's pretty clear?

They're cooking their books.

Yeah,
but they're saying it's consensual.

Most people probably don't know,

Catherine is India
Oxenberg's mom.

And Catherine's literally been
spending all her time and energy

compiling evidence
and working with Frank.

And
I believe that Frank probably has

75 percent of the evidence.

What we don't have so
far is witness testimonies.

If all of us write letters,

basically saying that
there is criminal activity,

that we believe, we know,
we participated in,

they may have to look at it.

What I think everyone
would want to know is

what kind of impression
we want them to have

when we write this.

Yeah, it's really important

that you share a tiny bit
about your experience,

that you were brought
in under certain pretext.

Because ultimately,
this is a criminal enterprise

- masquerading as a personal growth program.
- Right.

The idea was to get 100 letters.

We would use the same system
that got us in, in terms of enrollment,

to get out, which is to, like,
think of a couple people each

that we could
duplicate this with.

And I have an example,
if you want me to read it.

"I had three separate women
contact me fearing for their safety.

"What were they afraid of?

"The branding of Keith Raniere
and Allison Mack's initials

in their pubic area."

"DOS is a monolithic
and ruthless group,

"masquerading as a group
designed to liberate women.

"It relies primarily on coercion
instead of open dialogue,

"on intimidation
instead of free choice.

At the beck and call of a man
accountable to no one named Keith Raniere."

No one's ever done this.

No one has ever done
what we're doing now

because they're too afraid
to talk to other people.

"Is this gonna get back to Keith?"

That's why he's able to do
what he's done for so many years,

and not just in ESP.

We need to expose him. The
more people that expose him,

the more people come out of the
woodwork and say the same thing.

All right. Let's start.

Having something
from you would be helpful.

It's supposed to be anonymous,
anyway.

It's your story,
but if you want to help them

to understand
the magnitude of it.

But it frames it
in people's heads.

The more people
that can go on the record,

stating their experience,
the better.

Whoever you
want to reach out to.

Whoever you think has evidence.

I think everybody has a
piece of the puzzle. I really do.

There are so many stories

of the destruction
to people's lives.

And as they tell us the stories,

we need to compile all
the information together.

And all the evidence
to prepare this dossier,

to present them with a case.

We want the world to see.

I'm seeing how long
these things were going on,

and how far back they went.

And one thing I found is clear
evidence of financial crimes.

Susan Dones
was one of the nine that left...

back in 2009.

And then they
just went after her.

She was sued on
almost 200 charges.

And she defended herself.

And won.

She's an amazing woman.

And she totally
understands how it all works.

I was never his follower.

I never took a course
or anything like that.

I was his publicist.

It is astounding how many
people he's intimidated

and frightened.

He will spend
five million dollars

against a person,
to punish them for no good reason.

He enjoys hurting people.

This is a pattern.

Just think about Toni Natalie.

She was the original
pioneer of the defectors.

She was the only
one out there fighting,

long before anybody
else came out to fight.

And she did it all
these years by herself.

She's had 30 years of Raniere.

But, you know,
it really wrecked her life.

My name is Toni Natalie.

And I was a former
girlfriend of Keith Raniere.

Keith and I had a bit of
a different relationship.

He wasn't "Vanguard."
He was Keith.

He was a businessman
when I met him.

I met a person recently

who has come up
with a doozy of an idea.

And I'd like you to meet
this impressive young man.

- Keith, happy to see you again.
- Yes, happy to see you, too.

It's an amazing idea.

Yes, well,
sometimes it even amazes me.

But Consumers'
Buyline is wonderful.

And it's working.

Consumers' Buyline was
a multi-level marketing company,

where people joined this membership,
and as a group,

would save hundreds, if not
thousands of dollars, on their purchases.

We've been able to concentrate

all this purchasing power

to get a better deal
from the sellers.

But you have to be represented
by professional buyers

who shop around
for the best value.

What we are about
is getting things

that we could not
get by ourselves.

We help each other have more.

It's merely a stepping stone

to change the way we live,

and maximize human potential.

The way he
presented himself was,

"Hi,
I'm Keith Raniere. I have a 240 IQ,

and I want to change the world."

And it became one of the fastest-growing
multi-level marketing companies

in the country at the time.

- -News
anchor: The gross receipts

of CBI's first year of operation

were under $200,000.

In 1992,
they took a meteoric rise to $35 million.

And it was pretty enticing.

I mean,
the program was really good.

So, I drove up there to
see if it was legitimate.

You know? Let's
put eyes on this.

And when I went in,

I don't know how to
explain it. It was... energized.

Consumers' Buyline,
may I help you?

It was a room
full of young people,

working all hours
of the day and night,

all excited about
what was going on.

And he came out...

And he came up
to me in the office,

and he said, "Do you smoke?"

And I said yes. He said,
"Would you like to quit?"

And all I can
remember thinking was,

this genius that's
running this huge company

is gonna stop and take
time and spend time with me,

and help me to quit smoking.

We went into his office,

and he asked me what
made me comfortable,

and what things made me nervous.

And he was using
pressure points on my hands.

And he said, "Any time you
feel like you're going to smoke,

"what I want you to do
is just press that spot,

and you're not gonna have
the urge to smoke anymore."

That's all I remember.

When I walked out,
somebody said to me,

"What were you doing
in there all that time?"

And I said, "What do you mean?
I was in there, like, 15 minutes."

He said, "No, Toni. You were in
there about two and a half hours."

I went back to Rochester,

and then, Keith started calling.

Hours and hours and
hours of phone calls.

He would share
things about his life.

I would share
things about my life.

And this went on for months.

So, he knew all of my secrets.

He was listening.
He was listening.

When I asked him why
someone with a 240 IQ

was doing a multi-level
marketing company,

"Why aren't you curing cancer

or doing something that really
is gonna be very significant?"

And he said this was going
to be the platform he used

to change the world,

and didn't I want to come along?

And I was hooked.

He convinced me to
take a train to Clifton Park.

On that first trip out there,

Keith and I started a,
a relationship.

A, a physical relationship.

And they offered me a
position within the company.

My son and I moved up there.

I became instantly accepted
by this group of people.

This is the principle on
which Consumers' Buyline has grown:

friends recommending
us to friends.

I would love for you
to join our family.

It was very exciting.
It paid extremely well.

But Keith said,
"No one can know about our relationship."

"Well, why's that?" "Because
you don't have a formal education."

People will think you got
the job because of me."

My education is all of
two weeks of tenth grade.

And Keith knew that,
'cause I had shared it with him.

So, he took my shame,

and he figured out a
way to use it to control me.

And then,
I started to feel uncomfortable

with things that were
going on with the company.

Commission checks
weren't going out on time.

If you go to work,

you want to get paid
at the end of the week.

And that's the bottom
line with people.

And people aren't getting paid?

Not that I've heard.

On Saturday night,

more than 200 Consumers'
Buyline members

packed into this theater,

all looking to meet the
man behind the company,

President Keith Raniere.

But Raniere did not show up.

The company was accused of
being an illegal pyramid scheme,

that uses unfair sales practices
to sign up new members.

So far, the company is
facing four state investigations,

and several state lawsuits.

Consumers' Buyline was shut down

by 22 Attorney Generals
and two federal agencies.

Keith refused to admit
he did anything wrong.

He said it was the
government that was after him,

and Walmart,
'cause he was competing with Walmart.

And at that point,

I kind of thought that
Keith was deteriorating.

And maybe his mind just
wasn't as clear as it was before.

Then came Nancy.

And that was the turning point.

At that time,
Nancy Salzman was my therapist.

And she was the number
two NLP expert in the world.

A number of years ago,

I took an NLP course.

I felt that this was at
least part of the answer

to all that had been missing.

I became a trainer,

and then proceeded to
practice this newfound skill,

teaching and working with
literally tens of thousands of people.

Neuro-linguistic
programming is a type of hypnotherapy.

Nancy Salzman was an NLP master.

Define "lie."

What does it mean, lie?

What is a lie?
What does it mean?

It was at this point in my life

that I met a gentleman
named Keith Raniere.

He could not only
voice the questions

that were burning in my mind,

but he had the answers.

Keith developed a model
called "rational inquiry."

In just minutes,
he could get to core issues.

And he said,
"This is something that I could teach you.

"It's reproducible,
it's verifiable.

I could teach it to anyone
who really wanted to learn."

And I really wanted to learn.

A single man had
developed a technology

to transform and
empower the world.

I have a video of
the first class that Nancy did.

And Keith's sitting there.

He watched her take
control of that room,

and it was almost
like a light went off.

He could get her
to control the people

that he wanted to control.

They started
talking about this business

that they were going to create.

The original intent was
to go into big corporations,

and sell them their program.

It was originally Raniere
Management Systems.

And the first corporate
package that she pitched,

they came back with,

"We love you,
Nancy. We think this is great.

But we don't want him
to have any involvement."

So when he realized that
his past wasn't going to work,

they kind of regrouped.

And they created
Executive Success Program.

And I went to what I believed
to be the first intensive.

But, you know, your gut just
tells you that something's not right.

I was having
sessions with Nancy.

I talked to her about my
relationship with Keith.

Too many women around,

and too many things
that just didn't fit.

And she said to me,
"You just don't know who he is, do you?"

And I started to really look
at what I was participating in.

And then all of a sudden we were
supposed to call him "Vanguard."

- Vanguard!
- Just like the arcade!

It was a video game
that he had in our garage.

That was it.

Whoa! Sorry.

I thought, all right,
I'm going to break up with him

and that's going to be
the end of the relationship.

And that was just kind
of the beginning of hell.

Uh, guys?

Frank? -Parlato: Yes?

I just got a text from India.

Yeah?

"For someone so
concerned with my well-being,

"I find it odd that you've never visited,
that's all.

"If you could pinpoint the danger
that you seem to think I'm in,

"that might help you.

"Your claims are
really frightening people

"who think I'm also in danger,

"and that's really sad,
since if you were here,

you, too,
would see that there's nothing happening."

I feel him...

I feel him in every word.

The truth is,
she feels really lost to me.

There's a part of me that
just doesn't want to accept it.

Because it doesn't
make sense to me

that the child that
I've known for 26 years

is not present anymore.

I do feel responsible.

I was always on
a spiritual quest,

around gurus and ashrams,

and very often I would bring her,
even as an infant,

to those places.

So,
I've exposed her to those environments.

And then I feel responsible
for introducing her to ESP.

There are certain
things that we're good at.

And then there are certain things
that we don't know how to do,

or certain limitations
that we experience.

Do you guys have a sense
of what those limitations are?

- I used to have that!
- Me too!

Wait, can I write that down?

I took her to an intro.

And she loved it.

She said, "This is for me."

And she wanted to do it with me.

I figured this is an
opportunity to spend five days

doing something
introspective with my child.

And I definitely had experiences

that I felt were valuable.

I thought it was a good tool.

I kept doing classes

on and off for a
two-year period.

And I overlooked the
things that bothered me.

What I didn't know is that the
whole system was designed

to break a person down

and lock in a new persona.

I'm looking forward to hearing
what you think I can say to India

that will get through to her.

That will want her
to turn against Keith.

Well,
it's not turning against Keith.

It's turning towards herself.

But how do you invite
somebody to turn towards themselves?

Well,
I think you have to explain to her,

in truthful language,
what's about to happen.

This is gonna come falling down,

and there's probably
only one way

- that she can escape humiliation.
- Mm-hmm.

She takes a positive step

towards rebelling and rejecting

the interference with her mind

that Keith has done to her,

and to others.

She has to do something heroic.

So, let's say we...

- Let's say I wrote that text.
- Okay.

What is Keith gonna tell her?

Well, he may tell her...

He may tell her,

"Block your mother.

Block your texts."

And then what would we do?

She is in
the clutches of something

over which I am powerless.

And when I realized that my
message to law enforcement

would include me
accusing my daughter

of participating
in sex trafficking,

it hit me really, really hard.

I know she's a victim.

That's the tragedy of it.

And I need to tell
the whole story

to get them to pay attention.

Now I'll show you the war room.

Come on, Ramona.

Come on.

When Keith and
I finally split up,

the, uh,
last thing he said to me was,

"I will see you
dead or in jail."

And I thought that was
a really horrible thing

to say to someone at the time.

But I had no idea...

what my future held.

Then I started creating a
timeline of things that happened

after I left.

So that I could try to
get my thoughts clear.

It started with phone calls.

All hours of the day and nigh.

They would contact my
credit card companies,

they canceled my
medical insurance,

shut off my phone.

They called my son's school
and they canceled his school.

It was a nightmare.

And I,
I couldn't figure out how it was happening.

My neighbor said to me one da,

"That girl with the long hair.

She comes and takes your mail every day,
Toni."

That's how I found
out what was going on.

I filed complaints.

When you kind of have a feeling
like someone's watching you?

He just wanted to let me know

that he could get to me
anytime he wanted to

as easily as he wanted to.

These are just all the files.

This is proof of
the criminal case,

timelines,

motions that were filed.

I was forced to file bankruptcy.

They lodged three
lawsuits against me.

While that was going on,

he had me
investigated by the FBI.

Files and files and files.

And every time
you pull it all out,

it changes.

You know,
what looked like one thing before

looks completely
different now because you,

you've learned more.

I, I don't know.

This is Pam's.

You'll see she's
weighing herself.

Every morsel of food.

One handful of cereal.

One bite of something.

How many miles she ran.

Pam's top 10 experiences.

Winning the 5th Avenue mile.

Meeting Keith.

She met him skiing.

You know,
she was the one he first manipulated.

Meeting Toni.

I came in '91.

The first time I
went to Clifton Park,

I remember Pam was
running around the office

saying,
"She's here. Is she family?"

And he said, "Yeah, she is."

She had to commit
her life to him.

And part of that was
that she had to help

bring some women
into the family.

And she embraced me

with more love and friendship

and devotion

than anyone had ever in my life.

After I left,

I still waited for her to call.

- So... -

That's enough of that.

Okay.

If you just look
at the specific crimes,

you'll find that Keith Raniere's
name is not on anything.

But,
if you look at the entire system

and how the indoctrination
works over a period of decades,

you understand coercion,
and you understand that he is, in fact,

leading and guiding
and controlling

every single action
in the corporation.

He hasn't got his
name on a company,

or didn't explicitly order
somebody to do something,

but his hand is in everything.

When Susan Dones left...

what we were told
and what I believed

was that she had
maybe stolen materials,

or misused the tech.

Raniere is saying
to make it right,

you know,
you have to make people accountable.

If everybody
steals in the world,

what kind of world are
we gonna have? So...

they were trying
to make it right.

That's the story that I heard.

When I finally speak to
Susan Dones once I'm out,

she tells me how
they went after her.

Why do you need 200 charges

if it's the principle that
needs to be challenged?

This has nothing
to do with principle.

It's to torture the person.

And I was part of the
opposition against her.

The reign of terror.

I was the enforcer...

trying to, like,
capture everybody back into the system.

And what happens is,

people are afraid
to ask questions.

You're afraid you'll be
seen as dishonorable.

And I was afraid
to ask questions.

I sided with the
wrong side of history

against people that were
just trying to get away.

I honestly don't know
how to resolve that.

Hey.

Hello.

Mm...

Aah!

Mark, Mark, Mark, Mark.

I never got
your side of the story.

I just held out hope

that you would wake up one day.

And, um,

- I... -Took longer than you thought,
maybe.

It just took what it took.

Mm.

I am so sorry how
fucked up all this was.

'Cause we had a,
a good thing, and we, like,

-got each other? -Right.

And then as I think you started

pushing against things,

they started saying
stuff about you.

- Right.
- And it eventually started affecting me.

And I just have, like,
just fuckin' regret.

I think in time
you're gonna find

that the stuff that you
have done since you left

is part of your healing.

Being able to stand up and,
and fight for myself

and expose certain things

-that were the truth... -Mm-hmm.

It was very healing for me.

You know,
the guilt and the remorse,

and for me, the betrayal,

that all does
eventually resolve.

- Mm-hmm.
- But it's, it's a tough journey.

- Mm-hmm.
- And there's, like, no way around it.

- Mm-mm.
- You, you have to go through it.

Hi. What's going on?

Mm-hmm.

Yes. There's,
um... there's quite a bit.

I feel good this time.

I feel like this is it.

Have you seen this?

What was this? This was for you?

Yeah,
that was my death timeline.

Oh, my God.

This is one of the letters

that Keith sent me when I left.

This was what was
gonna happen to me.

He's showing her a diagram

of her demise,

basically,
is what that looks like.

Right.

So, yeah, I say we,

we do add this, and just say,

"Keith's threats
after I left him."

- He's doing the same things.
- Oh, yeah. I know.

- His patterns haven't changed in 30 years.
- ...changed at all.

Do you think we
should put the photo of the brand

right up front? -Parlato: Yeah.

And you
know what I'd like to add

is that it's two
inches by two inches.

The dimensions are significan.

Okay, here it is.

Good. Very good.

Three binders full of evidence.

Done.

- -You want to carry them out?

- Yeah, I would like to.
- Thank you, Frank.

Okay.

Frank, thank you.

All right. I'll see you.

I will talk to you shortly.

We'll be in touch.

This building is insane.

It's impenetrable.

I never assumed

that I would be responsible
for so much of this.

I have started a ball rolling,

which I have no control
over the momentum anymore.

And what I'm delivering
to the government

incriminates India.

I'm handing her
to them on a platter

as a criminal.

But I would almost
rather she be in jail,

if that's what it will
take to get her out.

Everything was to help you grow.

But as soon as you recognized
the person masterminding it,

and is manipulating
women for his own pleasure,

everything changes.

DOS is an effect of
years of indoctrination.

We were led to believe
that Keith was a scientist

we would like to study.

We're experimenting.

The idea we were being
sold was men and women

need to walk in
each other's shoes

to truly respect
and love each other.

They're assigning an FBI taskforce.

They want to speak to DOS,

and they want to speak
to witnesses immediately.