The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills (2010–…): Season 1, Episode 14 - Reunion Part 1 - full transcript
Hosted by Bravo's Andy Cohen, the ladies of Beverly Hills, Taylor Armstrong, Camille Grammer, Adrienne Maloof, Kim Richards, Kyle Richards and Lisa Vanderpump get together to set the record straight on some of the most talked-about antics of the season and answer some of America's most burning questions. Part 1 of 2.
- I actually think we're
the norm, not the exception.
- I didn't know he had
a lover at that time.
- you compared yourself
to jesus.
- well, she needs to learn
some manners.
- you called me delusional.
- you started the fight.
- keep it straight.
- I wanted you on the show.
- enough!
- Meow.
- conniving, passive-aggressive,
narcissistic.
one of the tabloids called you
the most hated housewife ever.
- this whole season was set up
to make me look bad.
- you better [bleep] swear...
- Stop. Stop.
- right now.
- Stop.
- do you think
that kyle bullied you?
- egotistical, narcissistic,
vindictive, vile, piece of...
- you're the one that keep
saying that you're not violent,
but yet you're telling me,
"i'm gonna take you out back
and give you some oklahoma."
- tread softly.
- You too.
- you've never been honest.
- you bully me all the time.
- quit using the buzzword
of the moment, camille, okay?
- oh, no.
It's you are a bully.
i am not a liar.
i don't lie.
- hey, everybody.
welcome to the real housewives
of beverly hills reunion.
i'm andy cohen.
we are at the historic
millennium biltmore hotel
in downtown los angeles
with the real housewives
of beverly hills.
hi, adrienne.
- hi, andy.
- lisa.
- Hello, andy.
- very understated tonight.
- thank you, darling.
Like the queen of england.
- kim richards,
great to see you.
- hello, andy.
How are you?
- I'm great.
Hi, taylor.
- hi, andy.
- camille grammer,
great to see you.
- thank you.
Good to see you.
- last but not least,
kyle richards.
- hi, andy.
- Well, I want
to just start getting
into some questions
for you ladies.
emily, from fair oaks,
california,
asked this--
"ladies, I love you,
"but your plastic surgery
"doesn't make you look young;
"it makes you look deformed.
"are you so afraid
"to show the marks of aging
and experience?"
what do you say
to this, vanderpump?
- me?
- Yeah.
- I haven't had plastic surgery
on my face.
I've had fillers and botox,
yeah.
i'm very honest about that.
i think if somebody wants
to do it,
let them do it.
i think it's really rude
to criticize
somebody else,
the way they look.
actually, give me her name
and address
and I'll write back.
[laughter]
- I think you have a trip
to fair oaks, california,
in your future.
- Yeah, absolutely.
- and, for the record,
your husband, adrienne,
is not your plastic surgeon.
- no.
i would never want to do that.
- Because?
- other than, you know,
fillers and botox.
i just don't think
it's a good idea.
what if he really messed up
and then I've got to
live with him?
or what if he's really ticked
off at me the night before
and I got to go in for surgery?
i think--you know, I don't want
an eye over here.
just kidding, just kidding!
- Do you not trust him?
- of course, I do.
I'm just kidding.
- you could add on.
That would be interesting.
jan, from lucas, iowa, says,
"ladies, I'm sure you all know
"the cost of a gucci handbag,
but how much
is a gallon of milk?"
[laughter]
how much?
- $3.49.
[laughs]
- you know what?
by price is right rules,
you didn't get it.
but you're very--
'cause you went over.
but it's $3.29.
It's $3.29.
- but if you go to costco, you
can get 'em for, like, $2.79.
- well, beverly hills is $3.49.
- It's $3.29 a gallon.
so that's good.
Okay.
- we shop at costco, obviously.
- bonnie, from decatur, alabama,
said, "taylor, $60,000
"on a four-year-old's
birthday party?
what are you gonna do
when she turns five?"
- nothing.
I'm too tired.
we're going to kyle's to play
on the swing set.
- do you think
it was a waste of money at all?
- everyone had a great time.
and, no, I guess
I don't.
plenty of other people do,
though.
- I do.
I was one of them.
i said, "whatever happened to
pin the tail on the donkey?"
- right. Season two.
- "Blind man's bluff?"
so I brought up my children
totally differently,
but she knows that.
I'm very honest.
i think it's bloody ridiculous.
$60,000.
you know, do that
when they're 18 or 21 if ever,
i have to say.
- you know, what caught
everyone's attention
about the six of you,
frankly,
is just how freakin' rich
you all are.
lisa, how many square feet
is your home?
- 17,000.
It's big.
but, I mean, to be honest,
when I had the kids
and relatives staying--
No, I know.
yes, I know
we live in a--
- yes, when you have the kids
and relatives staying, yes.
[overlapping chatter]
- it was a good house for us,
a good family house.
It was beautiful.
now it doesn't work for us
anymore.
there's two of us.
i want something cozier,
absolutely.
- what would you call cozy?
- well, I mean...
cozier that I can actually find
my husband
without having to page him.
how about that?
- Okay.
camille,
you said a number of times
on this show
regarding the apartment
in new york
that you couldn't imagine
living in--
i think it was, like,
3,500 square feet.
- I know. It was really
kelsey's issue on that.
and I can't speak for him,
but I'm gonna tell you--
he used to call me and say,
"camille, I just don't see us
all fitting in,"
'cause he likes to spread out,
and he likes his space, and
he likes to have his man room.
- when he said all fitting in,
did he mean
the girlfriend as well?
[laughter]
- why did you do the show
in the first place?
- okay, I didn't want
to do the show.
- okay.
- And then kelsey kept saying,
"no, I think
it's really good for you.
"this is something really good
for you,
"because it's something
that's yours.
something that you're doing
for yourself."
- do you now question
his motives
for wanting you
to do the show?
- I have.
You know, I'm gonna be honest.
i have questioned his motives.
maybe it was to keep me, you
know, preoccupied in california
while he was having
his affair
or having fun in new york.
- you know, I gotta say, the--
camille, you have really been
a lightning rod on the show.
- yes, I have been.
- one of the tabloids called you
the most hated housewife ever.
- I was very hurt
when I read it.
i was devastated
to read that.
- people have been talking
about you
like crazy,
and people have
very aggressive opinions
about you.
- absolutely.
very negative aggressive.
- Very negative.
- and it's very hurtful.
i mean,
'cause I don't think
that they're seeing
the real me on this show.
you're seeing glimpses of me.
but I don't think--
I think I've been villainized.
- here are some of the words
that were used
to describe you...
- And they're harsh.
- in these questions:
conniving,
passive-aggressive,
narcissistic,
insecure,
catty, jealous, cruel,
hypocritical, self-absorbed,
manipulative,
fake, insincere,
delusional.
- wow.
It's...
it's very hurtful.
i mean, it's devastating when
you hear that about yourself.
listen, there are things
that I've said on this show
that I wish I didn't,
I wish I could take back,
and that are horrible things
to say,
but I don't think
that it's a accurate portrayal
of who I really am.
- whomever wrote
those specific words,
if they said it to her
in front of any of us,
they would have serious problems
on their hands,
because we're all here
for each other.
and these people can sit
behind their computers
and write negative words
about people who seem
to live perfect lives,
but they don't know her.
and it's--
I just think
it's cowardly.
- what are people reacting to
about you?
- I think
there's a lot of things.
it started with the fight
with kyle.
also I'm going
through this horrible divorce
with kelsey grammer,
you know,
and he is the beloved, you know,
frasier character.
- right.
- So here I am, the wife of,
you know, a larger-than-life,
you know, person, I'm gonna say.
it's like being with
an elephant in the room.
that's why we might bring up
the insecurity issue.
- people want to know
the real reason
you used a surrogate.
Was it to keep your figure?
- we tried.
That was a comment from kyle.
thank you.
- I never said that.
- oh, you didn't say that?
I thought--
who said that on the show?
okay.
Oh, she didn't say it.
i thought somebody said that
on the show.
i'm sorry.
My bad.
it wasn't to keep my figure.
that's absolutely ridiculous.
we tried,
kelsey and I tried,
and, unfortunately,
it didn't happen.
and thank god
for modern medical technology
that we can have children
and they're
our biological children
through surrogacy
and this process,
and it's an amazing
experience really.
- okay.
How can you be so busy
when you have so many people
working for you?
- oh, that's a funny one.
- you say you're so busy
all the time.
- I'm so busy all the time.
well, we were working
on the show,
i'm a mom, and I was going
through a divorce.
and I was also trying
to keep together
my husband's production company.
- camille, "pernicious,
machiavellic"--
do you subscribe
to word of the day?
- no, no, no.
you know, I was an english major
in college.
i studied english literature.
i don't, you know--
I know what pernicious means.
and, I thought, god,
wow, is she pernicious.
she's just a pernicious--
Her behavior was pernicious.
and I'll leave it at that.
- machiavellic?
- no, it's machiavellian.
and, you know, based,
you know,
with the whole book,
you know, the prince,
and we all know
about machiavelli.
and I just felt like,
at that time,
that kyle was being
a little machiavellian.
- I was pernicious.
- okay, I'm sorry.
You're pernicious.
- I'm gonna have
to get a dictionary.
- why did you call faye resnick
the morally corrupt faye resnick
when you yourself posed
for playboy?
- there was something done
in a limo,
and she was showing
naked pictures of me
in the limo
with a group of girls.
i did a movie for cinemax
in my early 20s
that, you know,
unfortunately, we do things
when we were younger,
and it's, you know,
i wish I didn't,
but, yes, I did,
and it's not a hard-core.
It's soft.
that doesn't make it
any better, but...
and I got upset
when I found out
that the girls
were in a limo
looking at these pictures.
and this is why I had said that
about faye.
- we were looking at them.
it's out there.
I mean, I'm not gonna lie.
i think if anybody was sent
something like that,
they'd be shocked.
- I think that was set up
and premeditative,
'cause you don't--
- that wasn't premeditated.
Camille, it's out there.
you did that.
- I invited her
to a dinner party at my house
with faye resnick,
and this is what they do
when they leave in a limo.
I think that's classless.
- after we had a big fight, yes.
Well, it probably is.
- we're gonna talk about the--
We're gonna talk
about that party.
- But it's classless to say
that somebody is
morally corrupt
when you've done soft-core porn
or whatever it's called.
soft...
It is.
i mean, come on, you have
the balls of a burglar
to be saying--
Throwing rocks like that
when you live
in a glass house.
- coming up...
- but yet you're telling me,
"i'm gonna take you out back
and give you some oklahoma."
- well, she needs to learn
some manners,
and so we needed
to go outside.
- we are back with the real
housewives of beverly hills.
well, whether you love her
or love to hate her,
it was hard not to feel
for camille
as her 13-year marriage
to kelsey grammer fell apart.
let's take a look.
- don't forget,
I love you.
be safe.
- Bye, babe.
- bye!
- how has it been
not having kelsey around?
- I feel empowered
by this.
i lost my sense of self
because I was taking care
of somebody else
for so long.
- she has taken a back seat
to my life.
i think it's time for camille
to get a little attention.
hello.
- [Gasps]
- daddy!
- hey.
don't I get a little sugar?
- I'm not gonna pretend
that 13 years of marriage
is easy all the time.
- cheers.
- To the tonys and my husband.
- to kelsey.
All: to kelsey.
- that he wins.
My husband called me
and told me that he was done
with our marriage.
- is he gonna be moving
back here?
- um, that's the plan
so far.
and then he said,
"why don't we do this?
"if you come to the tonys
"why don't we spend
some quality time together
and see what happens?"
this might be better
for this weather.
- that might be.
Hey!
- in my heart, I felt
that we could work it out.
you know, we've worked
through things before,
and I thought,
oh, this is just a phase.
we're gonna work this out.
[exclamations]
mwah.
- It looks good.
- congratulations,
and good luck tonight.
- thank you.
- I love you.
- thank you.
- It's just a lot.
I've been through a lot
with him.
- here's to love.
[overlapping chatter]
- good luck tonight.
- 13 years of marriage.
- there you go, babe.
- There you go.
- cheers.
- Cheers.
i mean,
who are you, Mr. Grammer?
i'm thinking to myself,
who is this man?
it's not my husband anymore.
- adrienne, you got
really choked up from that.
why are you--
Why are you crying?
- because she spent time--
- Because I spent time with her.
- because she spent time
with us together.
- and I felt bad. To me,
they were a beautiful couple.
and I felt a lot of sadness
for her.
- thank you.
- It's hard to watch for me.
and that's what this show is.
it's real life, and,
unfortunately for you,
it caught you at a time--
probably
the most difficult time.
- the most difficult time,
and that was really hard
because I'm trying to keep it
inside and not expose it.
and I think
that's maybe why I was distant
from some of the girls,
because I was going through this
in my personal life.
and I wasn't ready
to out it yet.
a lot of stuff, you know,
that I got overemotional
or maybe some anger
did come out.
i didn't have a vendetta
against you, kyle.
but it was
a very, very hard time.
- so you first knew something
was off when?
- god, the end of february.
and when did we start shooting?
- right around then.
- so it was right
at the beginning of shooting.
- yeah.
my husband
was always very attentive.
and he'd call me several times
throughout the day
to check in on me,
and I know he had
a busy schedule
with the play,
but his phone calls
kept cutting back,
and then he stopped calling,
and then he would just text.
and then the text stopped.
it's not the kelsey
I was married to for 13 years.
this is another man.
- and so where do things
stand now?
- we don't speak.
you know, I want to speak.
i think it's very important
for us
to have open dialogue
and communication.
to raise our kids,
we need to co-parent.
and the only way
to co-parent
the right way
is to communicate.
i remember walking into
my divorce attorney's office,
and he said to me, "notice
that, you know,
"your husband's a celebrity.
people tend to side
with celebrity."
- did you lose friends?
- some.
and I gained others.
and it's amazing
how my female friends
gathered around me,
have been so strong.
they've all rallied behind me.
so I have to say how important
women are in my life
and how they've rallied
behind me.
- doug, from east hartford,
connecticut,
says, "is it true
you don't have a prenup?"
- this is true.
Yes.
- beneficial to you.
[laughter]
- yes.
that's what my lawyer said.
[laughs]
he said, "do you have a prenup?"
I said, "no."
he goes, "good for you."
- smart girl.
- darren, from burbank,
has a question
that I want the answer to.
- Okay.
- he says, "camille,
if you get $50 million,
"that's still a boatload
of money.
what will you do
with the rest of your life?"
are you going for $50 million?
- I can't say.
- I have to think
that there's something sizable
coming your way.
- I'm gonna say it's sizable.
but I don't want
to give the figure.
i find that to be obnoxious--
- I think
it's over $40 million.
[laughter]
uh-huh.
- [Mutters indistinctly]
- okay, I heard also
that kelsey,
when asked if he was going
to ask his girlfriend
to sign a prenup,
that he respected her too much--
- he didn't want to insult her
with signing a prenup.
he said the same thing to me.
- they never learn.
- good for her.
- no, he won't need one,
'cause he won't have
any money left.
[laughter]
- ben, from manhattan, kansas,
says, "camille, I heard
in the tabloids
"that you're threatening
to release a sex tape.
isn't that extortion?"
- [laughs]
- I don't have a sex tape.
- there's something
about, like,
married people over 40
in a sex tape.
i don't know
if that's such a...
- you never know.
- Would people buy that?
we'd have to pay people
to buy our sex tape.
[laughs]
- if there were a second season,
would you do it?
- I don't know.
I'm thinking about it.
right now, I'm really busy
with my children.
and my children are my priority
right now of course.
maybe. I'm not taking it
off the table.
i think about it.
so we'll see, you know.
- Great.
well, I want to switch gears
a little bit.
- okay.
- Okay?
from the start of the season,
taylor and kim
have never quite clicked.
let's take a quick trip
down the rocky road
of their relationship.
- everybody,
grab your party favor.
[laughter]
kim, this one's for you.
[laughter]
- I feel like kim was giving me
the cold shoulder
all through the sacramento trip.
there was a wall there,
and I was not in the mood
to climb it.
- every one of you, like,
stirred up a little commotion.
- the way I recall,
kyle needed you,
you weren't there for her--
- You can ask my sister.
- I will ask your sister.
i don't want to be dragged
in the middle of this.
she's
like a human jack-in-the-box.
just, like, wind the box
and wind the box,
and then, next thing you know,
she pops up out of the box
and makes some snide comment
toward me.
- can you do me a favor
and just stay away from me?
- well, this is my party,
so do me a favor
and stay away from me.
- taylor and I just look at
each other, and it's like meow.
you were telling me that--
- I wasn't telling you anything.
you were baiting me.
- I wasn't baiting you.
please do me a favor
and don't.
i don't like conflict.
I can't...
it makes me a little crazy.
- you're
off your [bleep] rocker.
girls, enough,
enough, enough.
enough!
I mean,
she doesn't like conflict
with whom?
because it's certainly not
with me.
you asked me
if she was insecure.
- taylor, you're the one
that said that.
- don't--don't--do not [bleep]
drag me into this.
- don't piss me off.
- okay.
Well, bring it on, baby.
i'm about to take you out back
and pull some oklahoma
on your ass.
[laughs]
- so "pulling oklahoma
on your ass" is what?
- yes, yes.
- What is that?
- I have no idea.
- [Laughs]
- I have no idea.
- All I kept thinking
to myself was,
here's this girl
who's involved
in domestic violence,
who doesn't, you know,
believe...
any of this
domestic violence in here,
and she's gonna
all of a sudden--
miss I-don't-like-violence--
she's gonna take me out back
in new york
and throw me around
in the alley, like,
where the dumpsters are.
- Right.
and that is exactly
what I did.
- I was like, oh, my gosh.
Where did that come from?
- it was kind of a joke, kim,
and I don't appreciate you
bringing my charity into it.
- I'm just saying, you know,
you're the one who keeps saying
that you're not violent,
but yet you're telling me,
"i'm gonna take you out back
and give you some oklahoma."
- Okay. Well.
- so you were quick
to go there.
- and I didn't.
- well, we got
a viewer question
actually
about this very thing.
tammy, from costa mesa,
california, said,
"taylor, given
your heartfelt charity speech
"on domestic violence,
why were you so quick
to threaten kim with violence?"
- I mean, sincerely,
did you really think
i was threatening her?
i don't even know
what oklahoma means.
- but it was kim that you
were talking to, so I would--
- well, she needs to learn
some manners,
and so we needed
to go outside and--
I've never laid a hand
on anyone in my entire life.
and my charity means
everything to me,
so if that was taken
in a way that makes it seem
as though I'm a violent person,
then, you know, I misspoke.
but I've certainly never been
in a fight in my life, so...
- I just thought it was odd
that, you know,
for somebody that's so sensitive
to that subject
about, you know, physicalness...
- should we talk
about her state of mind
at that table?
- "...teach you some oklahoma."
You know, I...
- what are you saying?
- I said, "do we want to talk
"about your frame of mind as
we were sitting at that table
or shall we skip that?"
- should we talk
about everybody's frame of mind
while we were sitting there?
- Okay, well, just tread softly.
- well, you too.
- moving on.
- why?
What do you mean?
- we'll reserve that
for later in the conversation.
- coming up...
you only have sex
with ken twice a year?
- well, not twice every year.
i mean, that's on a good year,
for god's sake.
[laughter]
- welcome back
to the real housewives
of beverly hills reunion.
you looked like you were ready
to pull some westlake village
on her ass.
- No.
i was just--
you know,
I just didn't want
to be involved
in any of the drama.
i really just--
I'm sitting again
in the middle
of the hot seat.
and then she and I--
- No, you wanted
to be involved
in drama with me.
you didn't want
to get in the middle
of drama protecting your sister.
that's the drama
you wanted to be involved in.
drama with me.
Not drama to protect kyle.
so just keep it straight.
- kim,
at taylor's birthday party,
you said
that kyle was faked out
by who taylor really is.
who do you think she really is?
- I think that taylor is, like,
kind of like a chameleon really.
i don't think taylor has
a real commitment to anybody.
i think that she's with lisa,
she's with lisa.
she's with kyle,
she's with kyle.
she's with camille,
she's with camille.
- I do think
that I'm a friend--
try to be a friend
and be neutral with everyone.
i'm a people pleaser.
That's my nature.
but I don't--
I think that's what it's like
when you're in a group
of friends.
you are friends with everyone.
i don't need to choose sides
or only be friends
with one person.
so, yeah, I guess
that's true.
i don't know
that that's a bad thing.
i'm confused, but...
- well, I think
she's saying
that you're actually saying
just what everyone else wants
to hear.
- like,
i'm gonna take you outside
and go oklahoma on your ass?
you think that's what people
want to hear?
- [laughs]
- sometimes I'm protective
of people, including you.
- I'm gonna move on.
as we know,
lisa is beautiful and elegant
and sassy, but, you know...
- But.
- lisa, you're also
an oxymoron.
you claim to rarely have sex,
but our editors realized
that it's pretty much
all you talk about.
let's take a look.
- my husband calls me
a sex object.
he says every time he wants sex,
I object.
[laughs]
- I do like this blush, though.
what's it called?
- Orgasm.
would you like some?
- No, thank you.
I've had one already today.
Oh, hey, sweetie.
- thanks a lot.
- I say to him, "you know what?
"christmas and birthdays.
"and it's your birthday,
not mine.
that's another day off."
taylor was playing
with that cotton candy.
she was kind of licking it
and chewing it,
doing things that I'd only read
about in books.
camille's dancing was
like she was really shaking it
and moving it.
i think all that's missing
was a pole, really.
ooh, look at these puppies.
Whoo!
her breasts, they had a life
of their own that night.
they were--I think martin was
actually quite happy to see her.
- can he hold his own?
- does he have to hold his own?
that's why he's meeting kim,
isn't it?
so he doesn't have to.
[laughter]
i feel like I've been shagged
through a hedge backwards.
- [laughs]
wait, isn't shagged--
- Dragged.
- oh, I thought
you said shagged.
- maybe I did.
- Shagged through a hedge.
here's to hoping my boob
doesn't fall out.
- here's to the exact
opposite.
[laughter]
- I'll drink to that.
- when you put it together,
it looks really bad
for me.
[laughter]
- you're very cheeky.
- well, you know what,
andy, I just do tend
to call it how it is,
but with a sense of humor.
so, yeah, why not?
- kristen, from st. Louis,
wrote, "seriously, lisa,
you only have sex
with ken twice a year?"
- well, not twice every year.
i mean, that's on a good year,
for god's sake.
[laughter]
but I didn't say I don't
have sex with somebody else,
now did i?
No, I don't.
you know what,
I've been married 29 years.
we're very secure
in our relationship.
he doesn't care what I say.
a lot of what I say
is for fun.
i mean, I have to be honest.
and, yeah, I did up it
to three times
this year, andy,
i told you,
on my new year's resolution.
- [laughs]
- deborah,
from plano, texas, says,
"only two times a year
for ken and lisa?
"and rumor has it
"that camille cut off kelsey
for a whole year.
"what is it
with you rich people?
don't you like sex?"
- I do.
I really do like sex.
in fact, I do have good sex
with my husband for the record.
- kelsey cut me off
ten years ago, so...
[laughter]
i mean, that's a rumor.
- christie,
in philadelphia, says,
"lisa, saying camille needs
a pole when she dances
"or that kim should escape
"back to witch mountain
is funny,
but it's catty too."
- I don't think so.
- "do you use humor to hide
your mean girl streak?"
- well, I don't think it is.
i mean, she was dancing
and shaking it
and bending over.
i mean, I call it
how it is.
i'm sorry if anybody's upset.
but look at her.
She doesn't seem upset.
- I'm not upset.
- no.
I don't agree with her at all.
- sally, from chicago,
emailed and said,
"lisa, you feared for your life
at the dmv
"because of the eclectic people.
"is that what the code word
in beverly hills
for people who aren't white
and rich?"
- oh, that's absolute nonsense.
my life is eclectic.
i have people of all ethnicities
and color working with us,
as friends,
so absolutely baloney.
- do you have any poor friends?
- well, you, andy.
[laughter]
of course, I do.
i have friends
from all walks of life.
- listen, I'm the poorest chump
in this room.
poppy, from south jordan, utah,
wants to know,
"kyle, you and lisa seem
like close friends.
has your friendship changed
because of the show?"
- no.
- No.
- we're still
very close friends.
- in one of the last shows
of the season,
the two of you had drinks
with taylor
at villa blanca,
and, lisa, you seemed
a little annoyed
by kyle and taylor's
growing friendship.
was there a little bit
of jealousy there?
- that night, I have to say
I was a little irritated
because--
Oh, stop it.
camille, get over here
and sit on my lap, will you?
[laughter]
well, because I'd arranged
to have dinner with kyle,
and then taylor said
she wanted to come by
and talk
about her marriage problems,
and then she shows up--
I mean, I love taylor,
but not that much.
no, she shows up,
and then they were just--
Look at them.
it was annoying,
to be honest.
it's annoying.
- Jelly bean.
- why is it annoying?
-because they're sitting there
holding--
i mean, who does that?
look at that.
Don't you think that's weird?
- you are very touchy-touchy,
the two of you.
- [sultry] andy...
haven't you heard?
- but you have said before
that the british
are not quite as touchy-feely
as americans.
- if I were to touch your hand,
you would be like,
"get your bloody paw off me."
- yeah, see.
- well, let me ask,
why would you be jealous
of their friendship?
- I didn't say I was jealous.
i said, at that time,
I was irritated.
- okay.
- and don't you find this
irritating?
when they're sitting there
going...
- I think it's kind of hot.
- okay. Well, exactly.
I don't.
- you didn't have
to say you were jealous.
you were a little jealous.
a little bit of a jelly bean.
- a little jelly bean.
- get over here.
[laughter]
- sit on her lap.
- come on, baby.
- All right.
- come on, darling.
- nice.
nice.
do you think--
Do you--oh, excellent.
- I was feeling
like taylor needed,
like, a little handholding.
- I like to--
- And lisa was jealous.
she was jealous.
- She's a jelly bean.
- lisa's been eating peanut
butter and jelly sandwiches.
- excellent. All right, camille,
get back here.
- thank you.
- Well, you know, I love you.
- oh, bugger off.
- Look, see, I told you.
she tells me to bugger off.
that's it, I'm never holding
your hand again.
- okay, good.
- coming up...
- stop.
You bully me all the time.
- quit using the buzzword
of the moment, camille, okay?
- oh, no.
It's you are a bully.
- susan, from laguna hills,
california,
wrote about a topic that seemed
to transfix the country--
taylor's lips.
- wow.
- She wants to know,
"taylor,
would you ever consider
having your lip implant
removed?"
- no, I wouldn't.
i mean, I know a lot of people
would probably like that.
i get plenty of tweets
about how it really bothers
a lot of people,
but I'm not gonna have surgery
and it's been there
for too long, so no.
- what upsets people about it?
- I don't know.
people--people think about it
a lot, though.
- right. We got a lot
of questions about your lip.
- I know. Right?
And I have a large mouth.
and, so, a lot of people
say that as well.
like, "your mouth seems
abnormally large."
and I don't know
if maybe I should have some type
of a surgery to have that
repaired as well, but...
- a mouth reduction?
- maybe, a mouth...
- Okay.
- we are back
with the real housewives
of beverly hills reunion.
owning an nba team
or a vegas casino aren't things
most people would relate to.
but couples across the country
are happy to learn
that they actually have
something in common
with adrienne maloof.
let's see what it is.
[phone ringing]
- hey, paul!
paul!
- Yes, my darling.
- do you like this?
- no.
- Well, you don't know.
- then why'd you ask me?
we've been bickering
since,
you know,
the first night we met.
i walked up and go,
"hi, nice to meet you."
so basically
here's what she did.
"hi, nice to meet you."
- I don't think
he got over that.
you're so dramatic.
- I can't breathe, though.
[trying to breathe]
- when we bicker,
it's more in a fun, loving--
i don't want to say that--
[laughter]
- this, unfortunately,
has to move.
put that--
This is--
- okay, so you're
already directing--okay.
- I know what she likes.
we both have the same taste.
is there any way to get
just a little,
small, small thing
of that turkey chili,
which is incredible here.
- I don't eat turkey.
Remember?
i just said that.
- Let me just taste it.
- I don't want any.
- As the years go by,
our marriage gets easier.
can you like--
Move in! My god.
we kind of learn how not to push
each other's buttons.
i'll see you
in a couple of hours.
- all right.
wow, those shoes make
a lot of noise.
[laughter]
- as you've watched
your marriage play out on tv,
what's been your reaction?
- well, it's very real.
i actually think
we're the norm,
not the exception.
and we've been married
almost nine years,
so, of course--
Of course it's gonna happen.
- does the bickering betray
any kind of a deeper disdain
that you have for him?
- oh, absolutely not.
it's just the way
we communicate.
- talk about the tinsel
in your hair,
because we've gotten
a lot of comments
about that.
What is that?
- well, I thought
it would be a great idea.
everywhere I went,
people loved it.
women loved it.
- On watch what happens live,
isaac mizrahi said, "if you
start dressing like charo,
pretty soon
you turn into charo."
- what does he know?
[laughter]
- kip, from davenport, iowa,
says, "adrienne, how did you
feel when you heard camille
say that she was 30% busier
than the rest of you?"
- I obviously thought
it wasn't true,
because I know how busy I am,
but again she says things
i think that she doesn't
necessarily mean sometimes.
- that was
about the divorce too.
- what does that mean?
- because I was dealing
with kelsey
and our relationship
falling apart.
- so you're putting that
in the divorce bucket?
- no, no, I'm not.
emotionally,
what I was going through
that nobody knew
was so much more
than these girls were.
- I like it that you got 30%.
that you figured out
a percentage.
monica, from covington,
kentucky, says,
"adrienne, I know
you're too humble
"to reveal your net worth,
"so, lisa, how loaded
do you think
adrienne really is?"
- oh, my god.
I knew that was coming.
- well, I think
if I was adrienne,
i'd be sitting in bed
with a box of chocolates.
- really?
- And a gigolo. Absolutely.
- [laughs]
and your dog, right?
- yeah. No.
Absolutely not.
[laughter]
- well, you're such an
interesting juxtaposition to me
because you're very outgoing,
yet I watch you on the show,
and you totally shy away
from confrontation.
you know,
when it gets heated,
i see you turning inward.
- well, I mean,
first of all,
i grew up with a house
full of brothers.
and when you grow up
with all brothers,
you have to learn to be
pretty diplomatic.
and I'm not one to really
like confrontation either.
i prefer to probably solve
the problem
instead of get in the mix
with it.
and that's always been
my personality.
- have any of the rest of you
seen adrienne pissed off?
- no.
- No, I've lived next door
to her for six years
and I haven't.
- she's a very calming force.
- But I can.
- very calming.
- But I think
that's why we get on so well.
- but I can also tell,
like, in certain scenes
when I see your face,
when you'll be a comment
and be like--
i can tell that look,
and I know
she means it.
She's serious.
- yeah, I like when you
got pushed in the pool,
and you were like...
[laughs]
- well, it started out
as a harmless comment
between kyle and camille,
and because it took place
off-camera,
exactly what was said
is still up for debate.
but this much we do know.
the fallout
of their private conversation
fueled an entire season
of accusations
and arguments.
let's take a look.
- kyle and I left
on an uncomfortable note.
- she says to me, "why does
this bother you so much?"
- I felt like I was
being interrogated.
- I said, "what do you mean?
Why does what bother me?"
- she came out
with a real snide comment.
"why would anyone be interested
in you without kelsey there?"
- let's get the story straight.
I didn't say those things.
you heard that.
I never said that, camille.
- well, what you said was,
"i don't understand..."
- no, you heard that.
first of all,
don't be insecure.
- she brought up insecurity,
and I went,
"where is that coming from?"
- I would never say something
like that.
who talks like that?
i don't think that.
You think that.
- she just kept getting
madder and madder.
- you're such a [bleep] liar,
camille.
- you know, the person
that remains in control
is someone that wins.
she lost her cool.
Sorry, kyle.
you lose.
- I've never had a problem with
a woman like this in my life.
i don't get it.
- my husband is
an a-list celebrity.
he's respected
in his community.
there's a big difference
between that
and the local
beverly hills realtor.
- I received this text
from camille.
she said something like,
"we won't be doing business
with your husband anymore."
- okay, so--so let's start
with the remark.
- could we really talk
about what really was said?
- talk to me.
What did you hear
kyle say
about your trip to hawaii?
- okay, we were discussing
our spring break trip,
and she asked me,
"why are they shooting you
in hawaii
for the show?"
and then she was asking
other questions like,
"how long
are you gonna be there?"
then she asked about,
"why don't you bring
any of the other girls?"
- I never said
any of that stuff.
I'm sorry.
and that's the first time
you've actually
even said that one, camille.
Be honest.
- I'm being honest.
- I never said,
"why don't you bring
the other girls?"
i never said that.
- I'm being honest.
- have you ever said that once
the whole season?
- You asked me.
she goes, "why don't you bring
the other girls?"
- the story's changed
so many times.
- no, kyle.
No. Enough.
I've had enough
of you bullying me,
and now is my time
to take my power
and tell you
you're wrong.
- that's not the truth,
camille.
- no, 'cause you called me
delusional,
and this is what happened.
so then she kept asking me
about the trip.
then she asked me if kelsey
was coming along with me,
and I said, "no, he's not
because he's working
on the play
in new york."
and then she said,
"why are they shooting you
without kelsey being there?"
- I never said that.
- It wasn't even a big deal.
but, kyle,
it's not a big deal.
- camille,
can I just say something
since we can be honest here?
since we're talking
about the show?
- but you've never
been honest.
- you've never been honest.
- this whole season was set up
to make me look bad.
and this was the honest truth,
because I don't--
- okay, can you ask me now
what was said that day?
- what did you hear that day?
- first of all, camille,
you were brought into this show,
let's be honest, because
I called you up and I said,
"would you like
to join the cast
of the real housewives
of beverly hills?"
- and what did I say?
i'm not really
that interested in it.
- so she was not into it.
she really wasn't.
- You knew each other...
- as my husband's clients.
- right, because of mauricio.
- Right.
she was not into it.
i said, "well, why don't you
talk to kelsey
"and see what he thinks?
you know, why shouldn't
you have something, you know?"
and she said, "yeah, you know,
you're right."
- that is true.
- right, so that day,
when we spoke,
she said, "i'm going
to hawaii tomorrow."
and I said, "oh, wow,
oh, my god.
you must be tired. Here we've
been in vegas all weekend."
i said, "is kelsey meeting you?"
and she said, "no."
and I said, "oh, really?"
'cause I'm thinking
that's normal for your husband
to meet you on spring break.
and then I said,
"are you taking a girlfriend?"
and she said, "no."
And I said, "oh, really?"
'cause now I'm thinking, wow,
she's going with just the kids,
so then she says to me,
"why does this bother you
so much?"
and I said, "what do you mean?
Why does what bother me?"
- I said, "obviously you have
a problem with this."
- you said,
"i can feel your tension."
- "i can feel your tension,
"and I feel that you might have
a problem with this."
- You felt that.
but I didn't.
Why would I want you on the show
and then not want them
to film you, camille?
- it actually is
an insecurity issue
because what you heard--
- Yes.
- what you heard was,
why would anyone
be interested in you
without your big star husband?
- that's how it turned--
That's what it turned into.
- but I never said that.
i never thought kelsey
would ever be filmed
in this show.
- yeah, but you were asking
about shooting.
- if your husband was a plumber,
would it be normal
if I said,
"is bob coming?"
- but you were asking
about shooting in hawaii
and why were they shooting me
in hawaii.
- I never said, "why are
they shooting you?", camille.
why wouldn't they shoot you?
they were shooting
the six of us,
and I wanted you on the show.
i wanted you on the show.
- Kyle, stop.
you bully me all the time.
- quit using the buzzword
of the moment, camille, okay?
- oh, no, it's you are a bully.
and you started
the whole delusional thing,
so everybody in america
thinks I'm delusional--
- no, because you say things
that aren't true, camille.
you've done it
to yourself.
- I am not a liar.
I don't lie.
- well, let me ask you
a question.
why would I have a problem
with that?
- you were getting uptight.
- why? Why did I ask you
to join the cast then?
- this has nothing to do
with joining the cast.
- yes, it does, camille,
because I thought that
you would be a great addition,
because of the way you look,
because of your beautiful homes.
why wouldn't I want that shown?
- 'cause you needed a target.
- oh, camille, please.
- do you think she set you up?
You think she set you up?
- I don't think she set me up.
I don't think she set me up.
- hold on.
What do you think?
because you said
she bullied you
and ruined your reputation.
- she did.
- so how did she do that?
- If you had not done that
in vegas, none of this
would have happened.
- I want to know
how she bullied you
and ruined your reputation.
- because she'd keep--
Any time we were together,
she'd keep saying
I attack her.
I've never attacked you.
- well, jerry,
from lebanon, ohio, says,
"camille, you're very sneaky.
"you provoke trouble
and then switch over
"and play the victim.
why do you always see yourself
as the victim?"
- hmm. Do I see myself
as the victim?
god, I don't know.
that's a good question.
play sneaky.
what do you mean, play sneaky?
i don't understand that.
i mean, I know I grin
and I grimace a lot,
but when I get nervous,
i laugh.
you know, at the table
when we were in new york,
i was terrified.
i felt like I was
under attack by kyle.
i know she felt the opposite,
so I felt
like I was under attack.
- upstairs, I apologized
to you.
- yes.
- Even though I didn't say
those things,
I wanted to make peace.
and I thought,
whatever I have to say
to make peace, and then
when the cameras were down,
you came and attacked me.
- I didn't attack you.
- yes, you did.
- Yes, hold on a second.
[overlapping shouting]
when we were upstairs,
now this is where
it goes wrong.
taylor said something
to camille.
and she was wrong
to do that.
and camille got very upset.
The cameras were down.
she came downstairs
and confronted us.
- talk about catty.
why go and do that?
why go upstairs
and stir up the pot?
- there was no pot-stirring
going on.
- obviously
they had just made peace,
and then for you to go and say,
"well, this was said
in the airport,"
when clearly--
- but that didn't have anything
to do--
- it was unnecessary.
It was unnecessary.
- listen, if I could rewind,
i would never have even had
any conversation about it.
- taylor, why did you stir it up
and then not own it?
- but I didn't stir it up.
my conversation with camille
was about me saying, "kim talked
to me in the airport,"
'cause kim and I never talk,
kim and I don't have
a relationship,
so I was saying that to her--
- That sounds
like stirring the pot
a little bit.
- but it was not intentional.
when I said the word insecure,
i didn't know the very last
thing kyle said to her was,
"don't be so insecure."
so when she heard me
say insecure--
- so that struck a chord
in me.
- that struck a chord in her.
- Instantly.
and I went--
- Why did that strike a chord?
- why, because--
- People say that people
who are insecure are the people
who react the strongest
against the word insecure.
coming up...
- Ouch.
that's harsh.
What you just said was so catty.
- yeah, it was catty.
You're right.
- people say that people
who are insecure
are the people who react
the strongest
against the word insecure.
- absolutely, and I'm not saying
that I'm not insecure.
absolutely. I'm sure I was
feeling insecure at the time.
my husband was leaving me.
he was having an affair
behind my back.
- we all have
a little insecurity.
- there was a lot of stuff
that was going on
in my personal life.
and also in terms
of the show, I thought, wow.
- but you didn't know that
at that point.
- he wasn't returning
my phone calls.
i didn't know that he had
a lover at that time,
and that was going on,
but I knew something was off.
- are you overly sensitive
about the way
that people perceive you
because your husband
is so famous?
- You know what, to be honest,
maybe yes.
I will say yes to that.
yes. Of course.
and that is honest.
Absolutely.
- and do you think
you brought that
into this conversation?
- maybe.
I mean, yes.
there could be
some sensitivity
towards that.
- I tried to apologize to you
in new york, camille, and I
thought we were done upstairs.
- it seems like you apologized
to each other
several times.
- they put it to bed,
and then bang!
- so there's still a lot
of tension there.
- mm-hmm.
- well, melody,
from concord, new hampshire,
"i believe camille because,
if kyle was telling the truth
"then in new york,
why didn't her own sister
come to her defense?"
why didn't you think
that you could have ended it?
- well, first of all,
these are all kyle's friends.
i don't know
these girls that well.
i don't know her relationship
with each of them.
I've always had
my sister's back,
and I always will.
and I don't like being put
on the spot.
that's not my thing.
don't put me on the spot.
and then,
the next thing I know,
watch, I get involved,
and then these two make up,
and then they have
this great friendship,
and then, all of a sudden,
i'm invited again,
and then nobody wants
to talk to me.
you know...
- oh.
- At that point,
i didn't even care really.
i just--the conflict,
I was speechless.
- do you think
that kyle is jealous of you?
- no, I don't.
- well, now you say that
after you've realized
that everyone has laughed at you
saying that for a whole season.
so...
- ouch.
That's harsh.
- I'm sorry. You're the one
who said all season that I was.
now the blogs have all said--
- but that was so catty.
What you just said was so catty.
- yeah, it was catty.
You're right.
that was.
- next time...
- I think doing porno
is a lot more corrupt
than doing a tasteful spread
in playboy.
- how I kept my hands off him
when he said to me,
"i [bleep] hate your wife,
and I hate you,
and I hate your [bleep] kids."
i was dumbstruck.
hate him.
Hate him.
- I am not a liar.
I don't lie.
- I think there are issues
that need to be confronted
that haven't really.
- what issues?
- Maybe you should ask kim.
- do you have
a drinking problem?
- to learn more
about the real housewives,
the norm, not the exception.
- I didn't know he had
a lover at that time.
- you compared yourself
to jesus.
- well, she needs to learn
some manners.
- you called me delusional.
- you started the fight.
- keep it straight.
- I wanted you on the show.
- enough!
- Meow.
- conniving, passive-aggressive,
narcissistic.
one of the tabloids called you
the most hated housewife ever.
- this whole season was set up
to make me look bad.
- you better [bleep] swear...
- Stop. Stop.
- right now.
- Stop.
- do you think
that kyle bullied you?
- egotistical, narcissistic,
vindictive, vile, piece of...
- you're the one that keep
saying that you're not violent,
but yet you're telling me,
"i'm gonna take you out back
and give you some oklahoma."
- tread softly.
- You too.
- you've never been honest.
- you bully me all the time.
- quit using the buzzword
of the moment, camille, okay?
- oh, no.
It's you are a bully.
i am not a liar.
i don't lie.
- hey, everybody.
welcome to the real housewives
of beverly hills reunion.
i'm andy cohen.
we are at the historic
millennium biltmore hotel
in downtown los angeles
with the real housewives
of beverly hills.
hi, adrienne.
- hi, andy.
- lisa.
- Hello, andy.
- very understated tonight.
- thank you, darling.
Like the queen of england.
- kim richards,
great to see you.
- hello, andy.
How are you?
- I'm great.
Hi, taylor.
- hi, andy.
- camille grammer,
great to see you.
- thank you.
Good to see you.
- last but not least,
kyle richards.
- hi, andy.
- Well, I want
to just start getting
into some questions
for you ladies.
emily, from fair oaks,
california,
asked this--
"ladies, I love you,
"but your plastic surgery
"doesn't make you look young;
"it makes you look deformed.
"are you so afraid
"to show the marks of aging
and experience?"
what do you say
to this, vanderpump?
- me?
- Yeah.
- I haven't had plastic surgery
on my face.
I've had fillers and botox,
yeah.
i'm very honest about that.
i think if somebody wants
to do it,
let them do it.
i think it's really rude
to criticize
somebody else,
the way they look.
actually, give me her name
and address
and I'll write back.
[laughter]
- I think you have a trip
to fair oaks, california,
in your future.
- Yeah, absolutely.
- and, for the record,
your husband, adrienne,
is not your plastic surgeon.
- no.
i would never want to do that.
- Because?
- other than, you know,
fillers and botox.
i just don't think
it's a good idea.
what if he really messed up
and then I've got to
live with him?
or what if he's really ticked
off at me the night before
and I got to go in for surgery?
i think--you know, I don't want
an eye over here.
just kidding, just kidding!
- Do you not trust him?
- of course, I do.
I'm just kidding.
- you could add on.
That would be interesting.
jan, from lucas, iowa, says,
"ladies, I'm sure you all know
"the cost of a gucci handbag,
but how much
is a gallon of milk?"
[laughter]
how much?
- $3.49.
[laughs]
- you know what?
by price is right rules,
you didn't get it.
but you're very--
'cause you went over.
but it's $3.29.
It's $3.29.
- but if you go to costco, you
can get 'em for, like, $2.79.
- well, beverly hills is $3.49.
- It's $3.29 a gallon.
so that's good.
Okay.
- we shop at costco, obviously.
- bonnie, from decatur, alabama,
said, "taylor, $60,000
"on a four-year-old's
birthday party?
what are you gonna do
when she turns five?"
- nothing.
I'm too tired.
we're going to kyle's to play
on the swing set.
- do you think
it was a waste of money at all?
- everyone had a great time.
and, no, I guess
I don't.
plenty of other people do,
though.
- I do.
I was one of them.
i said, "whatever happened to
pin the tail on the donkey?"
- right. Season two.
- "Blind man's bluff?"
so I brought up my children
totally differently,
but she knows that.
I'm very honest.
i think it's bloody ridiculous.
$60,000.
you know, do that
when they're 18 or 21 if ever,
i have to say.
- you know, what caught
everyone's attention
about the six of you,
frankly,
is just how freakin' rich
you all are.
lisa, how many square feet
is your home?
- 17,000.
It's big.
but, I mean, to be honest,
when I had the kids
and relatives staying--
No, I know.
yes, I know
we live in a--
- yes, when you have the kids
and relatives staying, yes.
[overlapping chatter]
- it was a good house for us,
a good family house.
It was beautiful.
now it doesn't work for us
anymore.
there's two of us.
i want something cozier,
absolutely.
- what would you call cozy?
- well, I mean...
cozier that I can actually find
my husband
without having to page him.
how about that?
- Okay.
camille,
you said a number of times
on this show
regarding the apartment
in new york
that you couldn't imagine
living in--
i think it was, like,
3,500 square feet.
- I know. It was really
kelsey's issue on that.
and I can't speak for him,
but I'm gonna tell you--
he used to call me and say,
"camille, I just don't see us
all fitting in,"
'cause he likes to spread out,
and he likes his space, and
he likes to have his man room.
- when he said all fitting in,
did he mean
the girlfriend as well?
[laughter]
- why did you do the show
in the first place?
- okay, I didn't want
to do the show.
- okay.
- And then kelsey kept saying,
"no, I think
it's really good for you.
"this is something really good
for you,
"because it's something
that's yours.
something that you're doing
for yourself."
- do you now question
his motives
for wanting you
to do the show?
- I have.
You know, I'm gonna be honest.
i have questioned his motives.
maybe it was to keep me, you
know, preoccupied in california
while he was having
his affair
or having fun in new york.
- you know, I gotta say, the--
camille, you have really been
a lightning rod on the show.
- yes, I have been.
- one of the tabloids called you
the most hated housewife ever.
- I was very hurt
when I read it.
i was devastated
to read that.
- people have been talking
about you
like crazy,
and people have
very aggressive opinions
about you.
- absolutely.
very negative aggressive.
- Very negative.
- and it's very hurtful.
i mean,
'cause I don't think
that they're seeing
the real me on this show.
you're seeing glimpses of me.
but I don't think--
I think I've been villainized.
- here are some of the words
that were used
to describe you...
- And they're harsh.
- in these questions:
conniving,
passive-aggressive,
narcissistic,
insecure,
catty, jealous, cruel,
hypocritical, self-absorbed,
manipulative,
fake, insincere,
delusional.
- wow.
It's...
it's very hurtful.
i mean, it's devastating when
you hear that about yourself.
listen, there are things
that I've said on this show
that I wish I didn't,
I wish I could take back,
and that are horrible things
to say,
but I don't think
that it's a accurate portrayal
of who I really am.
- whomever wrote
those specific words,
if they said it to her
in front of any of us,
they would have serious problems
on their hands,
because we're all here
for each other.
and these people can sit
behind their computers
and write negative words
about people who seem
to live perfect lives,
but they don't know her.
and it's--
I just think
it's cowardly.
- what are people reacting to
about you?
- I think
there's a lot of things.
it started with the fight
with kyle.
also I'm going
through this horrible divorce
with kelsey grammer,
you know,
and he is the beloved, you know,
frasier character.
- right.
- So here I am, the wife of,
you know, a larger-than-life,
you know, person, I'm gonna say.
it's like being with
an elephant in the room.
that's why we might bring up
the insecurity issue.
- people want to know
the real reason
you used a surrogate.
Was it to keep your figure?
- we tried.
That was a comment from kyle.
thank you.
- I never said that.
- oh, you didn't say that?
I thought--
who said that on the show?
okay.
Oh, she didn't say it.
i thought somebody said that
on the show.
i'm sorry.
My bad.
it wasn't to keep my figure.
that's absolutely ridiculous.
we tried,
kelsey and I tried,
and, unfortunately,
it didn't happen.
and thank god
for modern medical technology
that we can have children
and they're
our biological children
through surrogacy
and this process,
and it's an amazing
experience really.
- okay.
How can you be so busy
when you have so many people
working for you?
- oh, that's a funny one.
- you say you're so busy
all the time.
- I'm so busy all the time.
well, we were working
on the show,
i'm a mom, and I was going
through a divorce.
and I was also trying
to keep together
my husband's production company.
- camille, "pernicious,
machiavellic"--
do you subscribe
to word of the day?
- no, no, no.
you know, I was an english major
in college.
i studied english literature.
i don't, you know--
I know what pernicious means.
and, I thought, god,
wow, is she pernicious.
she's just a pernicious--
Her behavior was pernicious.
and I'll leave it at that.
- machiavellic?
- no, it's machiavellian.
and, you know, based,
you know,
with the whole book,
you know, the prince,
and we all know
about machiavelli.
and I just felt like,
at that time,
that kyle was being
a little machiavellian.
- I was pernicious.
- okay, I'm sorry.
You're pernicious.
- I'm gonna have
to get a dictionary.
- why did you call faye resnick
the morally corrupt faye resnick
when you yourself posed
for playboy?
- there was something done
in a limo,
and she was showing
naked pictures of me
in the limo
with a group of girls.
i did a movie for cinemax
in my early 20s
that, you know,
unfortunately, we do things
when we were younger,
and it's, you know,
i wish I didn't,
but, yes, I did,
and it's not a hard-core.
It's soft.
that doesn't make it
any better, but...
and I got upset
when I found out
that the girls
were in a limo
looking at these pictures.
and this is why I had said that
about faye.
- we were looking at them.
it's out there.
I mean, I'm not gonna lie.
i think if anybody was sent
something like that,
they'd be shocked.
- I think that was set up
and premeditative,
'cause you don't--
- that wasn't premeditated.
Camille, it's out there.
you did that.
- I invited her
to a dinner party at my house
with faye resnick,
and this is what they do
when they leave in a limo.
I think that's classless.
- after we had a big fight, yes.
Well, it probably is.
- we're gonna talk about the--
We're gonna talk
about that party.
- But it's classless to say
that somebody is
morally corrupt
when you've done soft-core porn
or whatever it's called.
soft...
It is.
i mean, come on, you have
the balls of a burglar
to be saying--
Throwing rocks like that
when you live
in a glass house.
- coming up...
- but yet you're telling me,
"i'm gonna take you out back
and give you some oklahoma."
- well, she needs to learn
some manners,
and so we needed
to go outside.
- we are back with the real
housewives of beverly hills.
well, whether you love her
or love to hate her,
it was hard not to feel
for camille
as her 13-year marriage
to kelsey grammer fell apart.
let's take a look.
- don't forget,
I love you.
be safe.
- Bye, babe.
- bye!
- how has it been
not having kelsey around?
- I feel empowered
by this.
i lost my sense of self
because I was taking care
of somebody else
for so long.
- she has taken a back seat
to my life.
i think it's time for camille
to get a little attention.
hello.
- [Gasps]
- daddy!
- hey.
don't I get a little sugar?
- I'm not gonna pretend
that 13 years of marriage
is easy all the time.
- cheers.
- To the tonys and my husband.
- to kelsey.
All: to kelsey.
- that he wins.
My husband called me
and told me that he was done
with our marriage.
- is he gonna be moving
back here?
- um, that's the plan
so far.
and then he said,
"why don't we do this?
"if you come to the tonys
"why don't we spend
some quality time together
and see what happens?"
this might be better
for this weather.
- that might be.
Hey!
- in my heart, I felt
that we could work it out.
you know, we've worked
through things before,
and I thought,
oh, this is just a phase.
we're gonna work this out.
[exclamations]
mwah.
- It looks good.
- congratulations,
and good luck tonight.
- thank you.
- I love you.
- thank you.
- It's just a lot.
I've been through a lot
with him.
- here's to love.
[overlapping chatter]
- good luck tonight.
- 13 years of marriage.
- there you go, babe.
- There you go.
- cheers.
- Cheers.
i mean,
who are you, Mr. Grammer?
i'm thinking to myself,
who is this man?
it's not my husband anymore.
- adrienne, you got
really choked up from that.
why are you--
Why are you crying?
- because she spent time--
- Because I spent time with her.
- because she spent time
with us together.
- and I felt bad. To me,
they were a beautiful couple.
and I felt a lot of sadness
for her.
- thank you.
- It's hard to watch for me.
and that's what this show is.
it's real life, and,
unfortunately for you,
it caught you at a time--
probably
the most difficult time.
- the most difficult time,
and that was really hard
because I'm trying to keep it
inside and not expose it.
and I think
that's maybe why I was distant
from some of the girls,
because I was going through this
in my personal life.
and I wasn't ready
to out it yet.
a lot of stuff, you know,
that I got overemotional
or maybe some anger
did come out.
i didn't have a vendetta
against you, kyle.
but it was
a very, very hard time.
- so you first knew something
was off when?
- god, the end of february.
and when did we start shooting?
- right around then.
- so it was right
at the beginning of shooting.
- yeah.
my husband
was always very attentive.
and he'd call me several times
throughout the day
to check in on me,
and I know he had
a busy schedule
with the play,
but his phone calls
kept cutting back,
and then he stopped calling,
and then he would just text.
and then the text stopped.
it's not the kelsey
I was married to for 13 years.
this is another man.
- and so where do things
stand now?
- we don't speak.
you know, I want to speak.
i think it's very important
for us
to have open dialogue
and communication.
to raise our kids,
we need to co-parent.
and the only way
to co-parent
the right way
is to communicate.
i remember walking into
my divorce attorney's office,
and he said to me, "notice
that, you know,
"your husband's a celebrity.
people tend to side
with celebrity."
- did you lose friends?
- some.
and I gained others.
and it's amazing
how my female friends
gathered around me,
have been so strong.
they've all rallied behind me.
so I have to say how important
women are in my life
and how they've rallied
behind me.
- doug, from east hartford,
connecticut,
says, "is it true
you don't have a prenup?"
- this is true.
Yes.
- beneficial to you.
[laughter]
- yes.
that's what my lawyer said.
[laughs]
he said, "do you have a prenup?"
I said, "no."
he goes, "good for you."
- smart girl.
- darren, from burbank,
has a question
that I want the answer to.
- Okay.
- he says, "camille,
if you get $50 million,
"that's still a boatload
of money.
what will you do
with the rest of your life?"
are you going for $50 million?
- I can't say.
- I have to think
that there's something sizable
coming your way.
- I'm gonna say it's sizable.
but I don't want
to give the figure.
i find that to be obnoxious--
- I think
it's over $40 million.
[laughter]
uh-huh.
- [Mutters indistinctly]
- okay, I heard also
that kelsey,
when asked if he was going
to ask his girlfriend
to sign a prenup,
that he respected her too much--
- he didn't want to insult her
with signing a prenup.
he said the same thing to me.
- they never learn.
- good for her.
- no, he won't need one,
'cause he won't have
any money left.
[laughter]
- ben, from manhattan, kansas,
says, "camille, I heard
in the tabloids
"that you're threatening
to release a sex tape.
isn't that extortion?"
- [laughs]
- I don't have a sex tape.
- there's something
about, like,
married people over 40
in a sex tape.
i don't know
if that's such a...
- you never know.
- Would people buy that?
we'd have to pay people
to buy our sex tape.
[laughs]
- if there were a second season,
would you do it?
- I don't know.
I'm thinking about it.
right now, I'm really busy
with my children.
and my children are my priority
right now of course.
maybe. I'm not taking it
off the table.
i think about it.
so we'll see, you know.
- Great.
well, I want to switch gears
a little bit.
- okay.
- Okay?
from the start of the season,
taylor and kim
have never quite clicked.
let's take a quick trip
down the rocky road
of their relationship.
- everybody,
grab your party favor.
[laughter]
kim, this one's for you.
[laughter]
- I feel like kim was giving me
the cold shoulder
all through the sacramento trip.
there was a wall there,
and I was not in the mood
to climb it.
- every one of you, like,
stirred up a little commotion.
- the way I recall,
kyle needed you,
you weren't there for her--
- You can ask my sister.
- I will ask your sister.
i don't want to be dragged
in the middle of this.
she's
like a human jack-in-the-box.
just, like, wind the box
and wind the box,
and then, next thing you know,
she pops up out of the box
and makes some snide comment
toward me.
- can you do me a favor
and just stay away from me?
- well, this is my party,
so do me a favor
and stay away from me.
- taylor and I just look at
each other, and it's like meow.
you were telling me that--
- I wasn't telling you anything.
you were baiting me.
- I wasn't baiting you.
please do me a favor
and don't.
i don't like conflict.
I can't...
it makes me a little crazy.
- you're
off your [bleep] rocker.
girls, enough,
enough, enough.
enough!
I mean,
she doesn't like conflict
with whom?
because it's certainly not
with me.
you asked me
if she was insecure.
- taylor, you're the one
that said that.
- don't--don't--do not [bleep]
drag me into this.
- don't piss me off.
- okay.
Well, bring it on, baby.
i'm about to take you out back
and pull some oklahoma
on your ass.
[laughs]
- so "pulling oklahoma
on your ass" is what?
- yes, yes.
- What is that?
- I have no idea.
- [Laughs]
- I have no idea.
- All I kept thinking
to myself was,
here's this girl
who's involved
in domestic violence,
who doesn't, you know,
believe...
any of this
domestic violence in here,
and she's gonna
all of a sudden--
miss I-don't-like-violence--
she's gonna take me out back
in new york
and throw me around
in the alley, like,
where the dumpsters are.
- Right.
and that is exactly
what I did.
- I was like, oh, my gosh.
Where did that come from?
- it was kind of a joke, kim,
and I don't appreciate you
bringing my charity into it.
- I'm just saying, you know,
you're the one who keeps saying
that you're not violent,
but yet you're telling me,
"i'm gonna take you out back
and give you some oklahoma."
- Okay. Well.
- so you were quick
to go there.
- and I didn't.
- well, we got
a viewer question
actually
about this very thing.
tammy, from costa mesa,
california, said,
"taylor, given
your heartfelt charity speech
"on domestic violence,
why were you so quick
to threaten kim with violence?"
- I mean, sincerely,
did you really think
i was threatening her?
i don't even know
what oklahoma means.
- but it was kim that you
were talking to, so I would--
- well, she needs to learn
some manners,
and so we needed
to go outside and--
I've never laid a hand
on anyone in my entire life.
and my charity means
everything to me,
so if that was taken
in a way that makes it seem
as though I'm a violent person,
then, you know, I misspoke.
but I've certainly never been
in a fight in my life, so...
- I just thought it was odd
that, you know,
for somebody that's so sensitive
to that subject
about, you know, physicalness...
- should we talk
about her state of mind
at that table?
- "...teach you some oklahoma."
You know, I...
- what are you saying?
- I said, "do we want to talk
"about your frame of mind as
we were sitting at that table
or shall we skip that?"
- should we talk
about everybody's frame of mind
while we were sitting there?
- Okay, well, just tread softly.
- well, you too.
- moving on.
- why?
What do you mean?
- we'll reserve that
for later in the conversation.
- coming up...
you only have sex
with ken twice a year?
- well, not twice every year.
i mean, that's on a good year,
for god's sake.
[laughter]
- welcome back
to the real housewives
of beverly hills reunion.
you looked like you were ready
to pull some westlake village
on her ass.
- No.
i was just--
you know,
I just didn't want
to be involved
in any of the drama.
i really just--
I'm sitting again
in the middle
of the hot seat.
and then she and I--
- No, you wanted
to be involved
in drama with me.
you didn't want
to get in the middle
of drama protecting your sister.
that's the drama
you wanted to be involved in.
drama with me.
Not drama to protect kyle.
so just keep it straight.
- kim,
at taylor's birthday party,
you said
that kyle was faked out
by who taylor really is.
who do you think she really is?
- I think that taylor is, like,
kind of like a chameleon really.
i don't think taylor has
a real commitment to anybody.
i think that she's with lisa,
she's with lisa.
she's with kyle,
she's with kyle.
she's with camille,
she's with camille.
- I do think
that I'm a friend--
try to be a friend
and be neutral with everyone.
i'm a people pleaser.
That's my nature.
but I don't--
I think that's what it's like
when you're in a group
of friends.
you are friends with everyone.
i don't need to choose sides
or only be friends
with one person.
so, yeah, I guess
that's true.
i don't know
that that's a bad thing.
i'm confused, but...
- well, I think
she's saying
that you're actually saying
just what everyone else wants
to hear.
- like,
i'm gonna take you outside
and go oklahoma on your ass?
you think that's what people
want to hear?
- [laughs]
- sometimes I'm protective
of people, including you.
- I'm gonna move on.
as we know,
lisa is beautiful and elegant
and sassy, but, you know...
- But.
- lisa, you're also
an oxymoron.
you claim to rarely have sex,
but our editors realized
that it's pretty much
all you talk about.
let's take a look.
- my husband calls me
a sex object.
he says every time he wants sex,
I object.
[laughs]
- I do like this blush, though.
what's it called?
- Orgasm.
would you like some?
- No, thank you.
I've had one already today.
Oh, hey, sweetie.
- thanks a lot.
- I say to him, "you know what?
"christmas and birthdays.
"and it's your birthday,
not mine.
that's another day off."
taylor was playing
with that cotton candy.
she was kind of licking it
and chewing it,
doing things that I'd only read
about in books.
camille's dancing was
like she was really shaking it
and moving it.
i think all that's missing
was a pole, really.
ooh, look at these puppies.
Whoo!
her breasts, they had a life
of their own that night.
they were--I think martin was
actually quite happy to see her.
- can he hold his own?
- does he have to hold his own?
that's why he's meeting kim,
isn't it?
so he doesn't have to.
[laughter]
i feel like I've been shagged
through a hedge backwards.
- [laughs]
wait, isn't shagged--
- Dragged.
- oh, I thought
you said shagged.
- maybe I did.
- Shagged through a hedge.
here's to hoping my boob
doesn't fall out.
- here's to the exact
opposite.
[laughter]
- I'll drink to that.
- when you put it together,
it looks really bad
for me.
[laughter]
- you're very cheeky.
- well, you know what,
andy, I just do tend
to call it how it is,
but with a sense of humor.
so, yeah, why not?
- kristen, from st. Louis,
wrote, "seriously, lisa,
you only have sex
with ken twice a year?"
- well, not twice every year.
i mean, that's on a good year,
for god's sake.
[laughter]
but I didn't say I don't
have sex with somebody else,
now did i?
No, I don't.
you know what,
I've been married 29 years.
we're very secure
in our relationship.
he doesn't care what I say.
a lot of what I say
is for fun.
i mean, I have to be honest.
and, yeah, I did up it
to three times
this year, andy,
i told you,
on my new year's resolution.
- [laughs]
- deborah,
from plano, texas, says,
"only two times a year
for ken and lisa?
"and rumor has it
"that camille cut off kelsey
for a whole year.
"what is it
with you rich people?
don't you like sex?"
- I do.
I really do like sex.
in fact, I do have good sex
with my husband for the record.
- kelsey cut me off
ten years ago, so...
[laughter]
i mean, that's a rumor.
- christie,
in philadelphia, says,
"lisa, saying camille needs
a pole when she dances
"or that kim should escape
"back to witch mountain
is funny,
but it's catty too."
- I don't think so.
- "do you use humor to hide
your mean girl streak?"
- well, I don't think it is.
i mean, she was dancing
and shaking it
and bending over.
i mean, I call it
how it is.
i'm sorry if anybody's upset.
but look at her.
She doesn't seem upset.
- I'm not upset.
- no.
I don't agree with her at all.
- sally, from chicago,
emailed and said,
"lisa, you feared for your life
at the dmv
"because of the eclectic people.
"is that what the code word
in beverly hills
for people who aren't white
and rich?"
- oh, that's absolute nonsense.
my life is eclectic.
i have people of all ethnicities
and color working with us,
as friends,
so absolutely baloney.
- do you have any poor friends?
- well, you, andy.
[laughter]
of course, I do.
i have friends
from all walks of life.
- listen, I'm the poorest chump
in this room.
poppy, from south jordan, utah,
wants to know,
"kyle, you and lisa seem
like close friends.
has your friendship changed
because of the show?"
- no.
- No.
- we're still
very close friends.
- in one of the last shows
of the season,
the two of you had drinks
with taylor
at villa blanca,
and, lisa, you seemed
a little annoyed
by kyle and taylor's
growing friendship.
was there a little bit
of jealousy there?
- that night, I have to say
I was a little irritated
because--
Oh, stop it.
camille, get over here
and sit on my lap, will you?
[laughter]
well, because I'd arranged
to have dinner with kyle,
and then taylor said
she wanted to come by
and talk
about her marriage problems,
and then she shows up--
I mean, I love taylor,
but not that much.
no, she shows up,
and then they were just--
Look at them.
it was annoying,
to be honest.
it's annoying.
- Jelly bean.
- why is it annoying?
-because they're sitting there
holding--
i mean, who does that?
look at that.
Don't you think that's weird?
- you are very touchy-touchy,
the two of you.
- [sultry] andy...
haven't you heard?
- but you have said before
that the british
are not quite as touchy-feely
as americans.
- if I were to touch your hand,
you would be like,
"get your bloody paw off me."
- yeah, see.
- well, let me ask,
why would you be jealous
of their friendship?
- I didn't say I was jealous.
i said, at that time,
I was irritated.
- okay.
- and don't you find this
irritating?
when they're sitting there
going...
- I think it's kind of hot.
- okay. Well, exactly.
I don't.
- you didn't have
to say you were jealous.
you were a little jealous.
a little bit of a jelly bean.
- a little jelly bean.
- get over here.
[laughter]
- sit on her lap.
- come on, baby.
- All right.
- come on, darling.
- nice.
nice.
do you think--
Do you--oh, excellent.
- I was feeling
like taylor needed,
like, a little handholding.
- I like to--
- And lisa was jealous.
she was jealous.
- She's a jelly bean.
- lisa's been eating peanut
butter and jelly sandwiches.
- excellent. All right, camille,
get back here.
- thank you.
- Well, you know, I love you.
- oh, bugger off.
- Look, see, I told you.
she tells me to bugger off.
that's it, I'm never holding
your hand again.
- okay, good.
- coming up...
- stop.
You bully me all the time.
- quit using the buzzword
of the moment, camille, okay?
- oh, no.
It's you are a bully.
- susan, from laguna hills,
california,
wrote about a topic that seemed
to transfix the country--
taylor's lips.
- wow.
- She wants to know,
"taylor,
would you ever consider
having your lip implant
removed?"
- no, I wouldn't.
i mean, I know a lot of people
would probably like that.
i get plenty of tweets
about how it really bothers
a lot of people,
but I'm not gonna have surgery
and it's been there
for too long, so no.
- what upsets people about it?
- I don't know.
people--people think about it
a lot, though.
- right. We got a lot
of questions about your lip.
- I know. Right?
And I have a large mouth.
and, so, a lot of people
say that as well.
like, "your mouth seems
abnormally large."
and I don't know
if maybe I should have some type
of a surgery to have that
repaired as well, but...
- a mouth reduction?
- maybe, a mouth...
- Okay.
- we are back
with the real housewives
of beverly hills reunion.
owning an nba team
or a vegas casino aren't things
most people would relate to.
but couples across the country
are happy to learn
that they actually have
something in common
with adrienne maloof.
let's see what it is.
[phone ringing]
- hey, paul!
paul!
- Yes, my darling.
- do you like this?
- no.
- Well, you don't know.
- then why'd you ask me?
we've been bickering
since,
you know,
the first night we met.
i walked up and go,
"hi, nice to meet you."
so basically
here's what she did.
"hi, nice to meet you."
- I don't think
he got over that.
you're so dramatic.
- I can't breathe, though.
[trying to breathe]
- when we bicker,
it's more in a fun, loving--
i don't want to say that--
[laughter]
- this, unfortunately,
has to move.
put that--
This is--
- okay, so you're
already directing--okay.
- I know what she likes.
we both have the same taste.
is there any way to get
just a little,
small, small thing
of that turkey chili,
which is incredible here.
- I don't eat turkey.
Remember?
i just said that.
- Let me just taste it.
- I don't want any.
- As the years go by,
our marriage gets easier.
can you like--
Move in! My god.
we kind of learn how not to push
each other's buttons.
i'll see you
in a couple of hours.
- all right.
wow, those shoes make
a lot of noise.
[laughter]
- as you've watched
your marriage play out on tv,
what's been your reaction?
- well, it's very real.
i actually think
we're the norm,
not the exception.
and we've been married
almost nine years,
so, of course--
Of course it's gonna happen.
- does the bickering betray
any kind of a deeper disdain
that you have for him?
- oh, absolutely not.
it's just the way
we communicate.
- talk about the tinsel
in your hair,
because we've gotten
a lot of comments
about that.
What is that?
- well, I thought
it would be a great idea.
everywhere I went,
people loved it.
women loved it.
- On watch what happens live,
isaac mizrahi said, "if you
start dressing like charo,
pretty soon
you turn into charo."
- what does he know?
[laughter]
- kip, from davenport, iowa,
says, "adrienne, how did you
feel when you heard camille
say that she was 30% busier
than the rest of you?"
- I obviously thought
it wasn't true,
because I know how busy I am,
but again she says things
i think that she doesn't
necessarily mean sometimes.
- that was
about the divorce too.
- what does that mean?
- because I was dealing
with kelsey
and our relationship
falling apart.
- so you're putting that
in the divorce bucket?
- no, no, I'm not.
emotionally,
what I was going through
that nobody knew
was so much more
than these girls were.
- I like it that you got 30%.
that you figured out
a percentage.
monica, from covington,
kentucky, says,
"adrienne, I know
you're too humble
"to reveal your net worth,
"so, lisa, how loaded
do you think
adrienne really is?"
- oh, my god.
I knew that was coming.
- well, I think
if I was adrienne,
i'd be sitting in bed
with a box of chocolates.
- really?
- And a gigolo. Absolutely.
- [laughs]
and your dog, right?
- yeah. No.
Absolutely not.
[laughter]
- well, you're such an
interesting juxtaposition to me
because you're very outgoing,
yet I watch you on the show,
and you totally shy away
from confrontation.
you know,
when it gets heated,
i see you turning inward.
- well, I mean,
first of all,
i grew up with a house
full of brothers.
and when you grow up
with all brothers,
you have to learn to be
pretty diplomatic.
and I'm not one to really
like confrontation either.
i prefer to probably solve
the problem
instead of get in the mix
with it.
and that's always been
my personality.
- have any of the rest of you
seen adrienne pissed off?
- no.
- No, I've lived next door
to her for six years
and I haven't.
- she's a very calming force.
- But I can.
- very calming.
- But I think
that's why we get on so well.
- but I can also tell,
like, in certain scenes
when I see your face,
when you'll be a comment
and be like--
i can tell that look,
and I know
she means it.
She's serious.
- yeah, I like when you
got pushed in the pool,
and you were like...
[laughs]
- well, it started out
as a harmless comment
between kyle and camille,
and because it took place
off-camera,
exactly what was said
is still up for debate.
but this much we do know.
the fallout
of their private conversation
fueled an entire season
of accusations
and arguments.
let's take a look.
- kyle and I left
on an uncomfortable note.
- she says to me, "why does
this bother you so much?"
- I felt like I was
being interrogated.
- I said, "what do you mean?
Why does what bother me?"
- she came out
with a real snide comment.
"why would anyone be interested
in you without kelsey there?"
- let's get the story straight.
I didn't say those things.
you heard that.
I never said that, camille.
- well, what you said was,
"i don't understand..."
- no, you heard that.
first of all,
don't be insecure.
- she brought up insecurity,
and I went,
"where is that coming from?"
- I would never say something
like that.
who talks like that?
i don't think that.
You think that.
- she just kept getting
madder and madder.
- you're such a [bleep] liar,
camille.
- you know, the person
that remains in control
is someone that wins.
she lost her cool.
Sorry, kyle.
you lose.
- I've never had a problem with
a woman like this in my life.
i don't get it.
- my husband is
an a-list celebrity.
he's respected
in his community.
there's a big difference
between that
and the local
beverly hills realtor.
- I received this text
from camille.
she said something like,
"we won't be doing business
with your husband anymore."
- okay, so--so let's start
with the remark.
- could we really talk
about what really was said?
- talk to me.
What did you hear
kyle say
about your trip to hawaii?
- okay, we were discussing
our spring break trip,
and she asked me,
"why are they shooting you
in hawaii
for the show?"
and then she was asking
other questions like,
"how long
are you gonna be there?"
then she asked about,
"why don't you bring
any of the other girls?"
- I never said
any of that stuff.
I'm sorry.
and that's the first time
you've actually
even said that one, camille.
Be honest.
- I'm being honest.
- I never said,
"why don't you bring
the other girls?"
i never said that.
- I'm being honest.
- have you ever said that once
the whole season?
- You asked me.
she goes, "why don't you bring
the other girls?"
- the story's changed
so many times.
- no, kyle.
No. Enough.
I've had enough
of you bullying me,
and now is my time
to take my power
and tell you
you're wrong.
- that's not the truth,
camille.
- no, 'cause you called me
delusional,
and this is what happened.
so then she kept asking me
about the trip.
then she asked me if kelsey
was coming along with me,
and I said, "no, he's not
because he's working
on the play
in new york."
and then she said,
"why are they shooting you
without kelsey being there?"
- I never said that.
- It wasn't even a big deal.
but, kyle,
it's not a big deal.
- camille,
can I just say something
since we can be honest here?
since we're talking
about the show?
- but you've never
been honest.
- you've never been honest.
- this whole season was set up
to make me look bad.
and this was the honest truth,
because I don't--
- okay, can you ask me now
what was said that day?
- what did you hear that day?
- first of all, camille,
you were brought into this show,
let's be honest, because
I called you up and I said,
"would you like
to join the cast
of the real housewives
of beverly hills?"
- and what did I say?
i'm not really
that interested in it.
- so she was not into it.
she really wasn't.
- You knew each other...
- as my husband's clients.
- right, because of mauricio.
- Right.
she was not into it.
i said, "well, why don't you
talk to kelsey
"and see what he thinks?
you know, why shouldn't
you have something, you know?"
and she said, "yeah, you know,
you're right."
- that is true.
- right, so that day,
when we spoke,
she said, "i'm going
to hawaii tomorrow."
and I said, "oh, wow,
oh, my god.
you must be tired. Here we've
been in vegas all weekend."
i said, "is kelsey meeting you?"
and she said, "no."
and I said, "oh, really?"
'cause I'm thinking
that's normal for your husband
to meet you on spring break.
and then I said,
"are you taking a girlfriend?"
and she said, "no."
And I said, "oh, really?"
'cause now I'm thinking, wow,
she's going with just the kids,
so then she says to me,
"why does this bother you
so much?"
and I said, "what do you mean?
Why does what bother me?"
- I said, "obviously you have
a problem with this."
- you said,
"i can feel your tension."
- "i can feel your tension,
"and I feel that you might have
a problem with this."
- You felt that.
but I didn't.
Why would I want you on the show
and then not want them
to film you, camille?
- it actually is
an insecurity issue
because what you heard--
- Yes.
- what you heard was,
why would anyone
be interested in you
without your big star husband?
- that's how it turned--
That's what it turned into.
- but I never said that.
i never thought kelsey
would ever be filmed
in this show.
- yeah, but you were asking
about shooting.
- if your husband was a plumber,
would it be normal
if I said,
"is bob coming?"
- but you were asking
about shooting in hawaii
and why were they shooting me
in hawaii.
- I never said, "why are
they shooting you?", camille.
why wouldn't they shoot you?
they were shooting
the six of us,
and I wanted you on the show.
i wanted you on the show.
- Kyle, stop.
you bully me all the time.
- quit using the buzzword
of the moment, camille, okay?
- oh, no, it's you are a bully.
and you started
the whole delusional thing,
so everybody in america
thinks I'm delusional--
- no, because you say things
that aren't true, camille.
you've done it
to yourself.
- I am not a liar.
I don't lie.
- well, let me ask you
a question.
why would I have a problem
with that?
- you were getting uptight.
- why? Why did I ask you
to join the cast then?
- this has nothing to do
with joining the cast.
- yes, it does, camille,
because I thought that
you would be a great addition,
because of the way you look,
because of your beautiful homes.
why wouldn't I want that shown?
- 'cause you needed a target.
- oh, camille, please.
- do you think she set you up?
You think she set you up?
- I don't think she set me up.
I don't think she set me up.
- hold on.
What do you think?
because you said
she bullied you
and ruined your reputation.
- she did.
- so how did she do that?
- If you had not done that
in vegas, none of this
would have happened.
- I want to know
how she bullied you
and ruined your reputation.
- because she'd keep--
Any time we were together,
she'd keep saying
I attack her.
I've never attacked you.
- well, jerry,
from lebanon, ohio, says,
"camille, you're very sneaky.
"you provoke trouble
and then switch over
"and play the victim.
why do you always see yourself
as the victim?"
- hmm. Do I see myself
as the victim?
god, I don't know.
that's a good question.
play sneaky.
what do you mean, play sneaky?
i don't understand that.
i mean, I know I grin
and I grimace a lot,
but when I get nervous,
i laugh.
you know, at the table
when we were in new york,
i was terrified.
i felt like I was
under attack by kyle.
i know she felt the opposite,
so I felt
like I was under attack.
- upstairs, I apologized
to you.
- yes.
- Even though I didn't say
those things,
I wanted to make peace.
and I thought,
whatever I have to say
to make peace, and then
when the cameras were down,
you came and attacked me.
- I didn't attack you.
- yes, you did.
- Yes, hold on a second.
[overlapping shouting]
when we were upstairs,
now this is where
it goes wrong.
taylor said something
to camille.
and she was wrong
to do that.
and camille got very upset.
The cameras were down.
she came downstairs
and confronted us.
- talk about catty.
why go and do that?
why go upstairs
and stir up the pot?
- there was no pot-stirring
going on.
- obviously
they had just made peace,
and then for you to go and say,
"well, this was said
in the airport,"
when clearly--
- but that didn't have anything
to do--
- it was unnecessary.
It was unnecessary.
- listen, if I could rewind,
i would never have even had
any conversation about it.
- taylor, why did you stir it up
and then not own it?
- but I didn't stir it up.
my conversation with camille
was about me saying, "kim talked
to me in the airport,"
'cause kim and I never talk,
kim and I don't have
a relationship,
so I was saying that to her--
- That sounds
like stirring the pot
a little bit.
- but it was not intentional.
when I said the word insecure,
i didn't know the very last
thing kyle said to her was,
"don't be so insecure."
so when she heard me
say insecure--
- so that struck a chord
in me.
- that struck a chord in her.
- Instantly.
and I went--
- Why did that strike a chord?
- why, because--
- People say that people
who are insecure are the people
who react the strongest
against the word insecure.
coming up...
- Ouch.
that's harsh.
What you just said was so catty.
- yeah, it was catty.
You're right.
- people say that people
who are insecure
are the people who react
the strongest
against the word insecure.
- absolutely, and I'm not saying
that I'm not insecure.
absolutely. I'm sure I was
feeling insecure at the time.
my husband was leaving me.
he was having an affair
behind my back.
- we all have
a little insecurity.
- there was a lot of stuff
that was going on
in my personal life.
and also in terms
of the show, I thought, wow.
- but you didn't know that
at that point.
- he wasn't returning
my phone calls.
i didn't know that he had
a lover at that time,
and that was going on,
but I knew something was off.
- are you overly sensitive
about the way
that people perceive you
because your husband
is so famous?
- You know what, to be honest,
maybe yes.
I will say yes to that.
yes. Of course.
and that is honest.
Absolutely.
- and do you think
you brought that
into this conversation?
- maybe.
I mean, yes.
there could be
some sensitivity
towards that.
- I tried to apologize to you
in new york, camille, and I
thought we were done upstairs.
- it seems like you apologized
to each other
several times.
- they put it to bed,
and then bang!
- so there's still a lot
of tension there.
- mm-hmm.
- well, melody,
from concord, new hampshire,
"i believe camille because,
if kyle was telling the truth
"then in new york,
why didn't her own sister
come to her defense?"
why didn't you think
that you could have ended it?
- well, first of all,
these are all kyle's friends.
i don't know
these girls that well.
i don't know her relationship
with each of them.
I've always had
my sister's back,
and I always will.
and I don't like being put
on the spot.
that's not my thing.
don't put me on the spot.
and then,
the next thing I know,
watch, I get involved,
and then these two make up,
and then they have
this great friendship,
and then, all of a sudden,
i'm invited again,
and then nobody wants
to talk to me.
you know...
- oh.
- At that point,
i didn't even care really.
i just--the conflict,
I was speechless.
- do you think
that kyle is jealous of you?
- no, I don't.
- well, now you say that
after you've realized
that everyone has laughed at you
saying that for a whole season.
so...
- ouch.
That's harsh.
- I'm sorry. You're the one
who said all season that I was.
now the blogs have all said--
- but that was so catty.
What you just said was so catty.
- yeah, it was catty.
You're right.
that was.
- next time...
- I think doing porno
is a lot more corrupt
than doing a tasteful spread
in playboy.
- how I kept my hands off him
when he said to me,
"i [bleep] hate your wife,
and I hate you,
and I hate your [bleep] kids."
i was dumbstruck.
hate him.
Hate him.
- I am not a liar.
I don't lie.
- I think there are issues
that need to be confronted
that haven't really.
- what issues?
- Maybe you should ask kim.
- do you have
a drinking problem?
- to learn more
about the real housewives,