Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath (2016–…): Season 3, Episode 8 - Gilman Springs Road - full transcript

If you talk to the
staff they'll tell you

it's a worker's paradise.

It couldn't be a
better place to work.

This is where we live.

It's really extraordinary
the amount of care

that goes into making
sure we're doing well,

that we have everything we need.

All the way down to a
personal staff dentist.

Everything is in-house.

Like, you have all
these facilities

that you need for production.



This really is a
distraction-free environment.

We've been reporting on
allegations of physical abuse

inside the Church
of Scientology.

The allegations have
been made by a number

of former high
ranking Scientologists

against the church's leader,
David Miscavige, himself.

I was personally beat up
on five separate occasions

by the head of Scientology,
David Miscavige.

The veins are
popping in his neck,

and I am going, "What in
the hell is going on"?

I had no idea what wrath

and punishments
would be levied on me

if I even blinked the wrong way

in dealing with the subject.



They're watching every move of
every person on the property

so that nobody could get out.

Scientology presents
a public image

to the world and even
to Scientologists

that the Gold Base
is paradise on Earth.

It is the pinnacle of the
technology of Scientology.

- It isn't.
- I know.

I lived there for 20 years.

I am the writer of the
textbooks of Scientology.

The aim and goal is to put man

in a… a mental condition, uh,

where he can solve
his own problem.

Without any Scientology
organization,

things are not gonna
change on this planet.

After years of slowly

questioning Scientology…

Leah Remini and her
very public break

with Scientology…

Scientology, what they do…

trying to destroy people,

trying to destroy their
families when they leave.

They create a lot of people

who are willing to
fight against them.

Scientology takes
tax-free dollars

and ruins people's lives.

This is not the life
that I wanna live.

I wanted to end my life.

Some people it takes a year,
some people it takes ten years

of just peeling that onion
of how you were manipulated

and made to think.

This season we really
needed to focus on

the reason why
Scientology is able

to do the things that they do

is because they have
tax-exempt status.

The people who have bravely

come on and told their stories

have not told those
stories in vain.

They are having an impact.

We're presenting our
case to the world,

to the FBI, to the IRS.

The most important thing
that has to be done is

the persistent
telling of the truth,

and that's what you're doing.

You have to continue to fight.

You have to continue
to fight for what's right.

Hey, how are you?

- It's good to see you.
- So nice to see you.

- Good to see you.
- Good to see you.

Tonight we're gonna be
talking to former executives

at the Gold Base,

who all experienced
abuse themselves,

but also witnessed
abuse to others

who are still there.

Amy Scobee, Jeff Hawkins,

Marc and Claire Headley,
and Mike Rinder,

who were all there
at the Gold Base.

We are obviously doing an
episode about the Gold Base

and the abuses that
occurred there,

but also the missing executives.

'Cause we all know
that they're being held

- at the Gold Base.
- Yes.

So, we wanted to talk
about the Gold Base.

And, you know, it's funny
because I was telling Mike

on the way over here,
like, "what" … like,

"What haven't we said?
Like we've already said,"

and he goes, "We actually
never told this story."

And it's so crazy, 'cause
we all believe that

the story is out
there and being told,

and why isn't anybody
doing anything about it?

In 1978, L. Ron
Hubbard shot a movie

on the golf course at
Golden Era Productions.

He decided it would be
an ideal property to make

the international
headquarters of Scientology,

so he bought it.

Even though he had been
there to shoot the movie,

he never lived there.

He did have a house…
A small house there

that we was supposed to live in.

But nevertheless,
it was established

as an area that would
be safe for him.

It had security measures put in,

in the event that
Hubbard did come there.

The fences were put up,
a guard gate was established,

all of these things
to prevent people

from being able to
come onto the property

unannounced or undetected.

That to this day remains
a purpose of their security.

While also being the
international headquarters,

though, public Scientologists
were never allowed

to know the location.

Yes, it was a
confidential location,

and I just never
knew where it was.

In 1986, after L.
Ron Hubbard had died,

Miscavige basically
took over the Gold Base.

He moved there in 1987,

he became the capo di tutti
capo of Scientology,

and he set up residence at Gold.

Miscavige now has stepped into
the role of L. Ron Hubbard

What… what other
security measures?

- Let's go through that.
- We used to have…

Every week we would have
a thing called "renovations,"

which we did on… on Saturdays,

and we would install
Ultra Barrier

on all the fences,
which is… it's about

a two to three-inch
razor barrier.

So, if you were trying
to get in from the outside

or out from the inside,

you would get
sliced up by those.

We put microphones
in the ground,

outside of the property.

There's also motion
sensors on the fences,

and there were
floodlights installed

all around the entire property

so that they could light it
up like a baseball stadium.

It was lit up like
the Berlin Wall.

And then the security force

that could be
dispatched at any moment

and they would drill
that response time

to make it faster.

So, they have the
security rover bikes,

and they also have an SUV

that can drive
around all the roads.

So, if you do escape
over the fence

they're gonna know the
instant it happens.

And people ask, well, you know,

"If you were out
in the free world,

"or you got over the fence,

"what does it matter if
there was a light on you?

Like, you made it out."

Yeah, but there's nowhere to go.

That property is a
4- or 5-mile walk

before you come to the
first actual civilization

- that can do anything.
- Yeah.

Unless someone's waiting
for you on the highway,

they're gonna catch you because…

You can't write
someone a letter,

all mail ingoing and
outgoing is opened and read.

What are they looking for?

They wanna see if you're
talking about leaving

or meeting up with somebody
or telling somebody,

"Hey, David Miscavige

"is… is dealing out
beat downs here.

Come rescue me."

Sometimes family members
would send in phones,

'cause they would say,
"Well, you never call.

Here's a… here's a phone."

And that would get confiscated.

So, you guys had no
access to telephones?

- No.
- Did you have access to 911?

- No.
- And how do you know that?

The internal phone system,
you have to get a line out

in order to call.

If you wanted to make
a phone call out,

you would have to call
reception and say,

"I need you to call
a number for me."

Tell her the number,
then she would dial it,

and then she would connect
you with that person.

I worked over staff training,

staff morale, staff counseling,

so I've witnessed
so many stories

about what measures
would be gone to

to make sure that staff
did not have easy access

to the outside world.

There was a… a thing
at the… at that base

- called "the perimeter council."
- Yeah.

And the perimeter council
consisted of people like Claire

and others who were
in certain positions

responsible for the
security of the property,

the well-being or the
control of the staff.

And they met once a
week and had this list…

- List.
- The perimeter list.

- Of threats.
- It was called the Threat List.

And the way you got
on the perimeter list,

Marc, would be something, like,

in your personal, private
"counseling" sessions

in Scientology, you would admit

that you had thoughts of leaving

or that you were being beaten…

- Yep, anything.
- And you wanted leave.

- Anything.
- Any-thing.

Disagreed with David Miscavige.

If David Miscavige said,

"That guy's got crimes."

It doesn't matter
what you've done,

at the end of the day,

you better have some
crimes to give up,

because you're just gonna
get interrogated for…

For months until you say,

- "Okay, I did X, Y, Z."
- "Okay, good."

And then that person who's
interrogating you can say,

"You were right, sir,
he did X, Y, Z."

And I went on the
perimeter council list

for, like, two months,
because my husband at the time

attended an event that
he shouldn't have.

I should have known

and should have prevented
that from happening,

but I… I had… I
never even saw him.

As a Scientologist,

and even as somebody
who left Scientology

and heard some of these stories,

I'm still learning.

It's still mind-blowing to me.

Even today I'm going, "What"?

What is the penalty

for trying to get
out and failing?

What is the penalty?

When you get back you
get put on the decks,

and that is digging ditches,

building block walls,
pouring concrete.

Heavy manual labor
will force you

to confront what you've done,

and it's part of the
beginning process

of breaking down your…

- Will.
- Desire…

- Yeah, your will to leave.
- Exactly.

- It is all about that.
- Yeah.

They will reprogram
you as an individual

so that your desire to leave
is… does not exist anymore.

On the few occasions that
I did manage to run away,

I was tackled and
brought back physically.

Uh, I mean, one of the
men that tackled me

was a guy named Chris Guider,

who was an ex-professional
Australian football player.

He was big,

and I… I couldn't
go up against that.

Let's talk about
these blow drills.

So, there's a drill in
place that if somebody

does penetrate the perimeter
and get out, what happens?

There's a crew of
about, I don't know,

maybe 50 people on the property,

and they each have
an assigned task.

Certain people are assigned to
go to the nearest bus station.

Certain people are assigned
to go to the nearest airport.

Some people are assigned
to call the taxi companies

to find out if anyone's
called for a taxi nearby.

They go to all of
the local hotels.

They go to the local hospitals.

If the person does have a phone,

they immediately login
to that phone account

and go through all the
calls that person's made

and then find out who those
people that are called.

They'll send somebody
to the mother's house

in San Francisco to just
sit outside the house

and wait for you to show up.

When they find the person,
they're usually gonna get

somebody that that person knows

or that's a good
friend of that person.

Or if it's a family
member of that person

that's in Scientology,
to then talk them back.

Like, "Oh, no, you
don't wanna do this."

I would be the person that
Miscavige would come to

virtually every morning and say,

"Have there been any blows?"

Which is a unauthorized
departure, it's…

Wait, what's a "blow"?

A blow is an
unauthorized departure.

- Somebody escapes or takes off…
- They've blown.

- They're gone, they're blown.
- We call it "blown."

Just like Marty said,
every morning he and I

would report to Miscavige
sitting in his bath robe,

drinking his first
morning cup of coffee.

And the first question
that he always asked was,

"Who blew"?

He was paranoid about

who may have left the property,

because that is where

he was conducting
his reign of terror.

The Gold Base was headquarters

for Miscavige rules.

Anybody who left that base

was aware of what was happening.

If you want to leave,

and you really, genuinely
are like, "I'm gonna leave."

You basically have to be willing

to be a bum on the street.

Because you have no education,

you have no cred…
You have no money,

you have no resources
to do anything.

So, when you drive
off the property,

or when you run…
Jump over that gate,

you're basically saying,

"I'm gonna try to make it from…

Starting with nothing
and no one to help me."

I mean, living there
for, you know, decades,

you kind of get used to this
as the security type of thing,

but, um, after you leave
and you think about it,

you think about how crazy it is.

Like, every time you wanted
to go anywhere at all,

you had to write a petition.

It's called a
completed staff work,

but it's like
similar to a petition

to your superiors and
get everyone's approval.

And if you had anything wrong
they would just not okay it.

But… and you always
had to have a buddy

or somebody to go with you.

It was that kind of a lockdown.

It's really discouraged
and you also feel

it's… it's not worth leaving
this important mission of

what we're trying to
accomplish frantically,

to go and do
anything with family.

So, it's… it's very
rare, but if you do,

like, maybe a funeral
or something like that,

where it would be
bad public relations

for Scientology if you
didn't at least show up,

then you would do, uh,
a petition to be able to go

and sometimes have
to have a buddy.

Like, when my father
had a… a heart attack,

and he was in the
hospital, I was gonna go,

but it was disapproved,

um, unless I paid for a
fulltime buddy to come with me,

- you know, at the time.
- To supervise you.

And the buddy is to watch you

to make sure that you
don't try and take off.

Yeah, that's why.

When my mother died
it took me about

five to seven days
of security checks

before I could leave the base
to go to her memorial service.

And everybody was trying
to dissuade me and saying,

"Why do you need to go?
She's already dead.

Why do you need to go?"

You know, it's that
kind of an attitude.

- Mm-hmm.
- Right.

With each escape…

Golden Era Production…
Scientology…

Changed the way
they do business.

So, there was a time, when
Marc and Claire were in,

where Claire can go to
LensCrafters, right?

And get her glasses.

Well, since Claire left
by going to LensCrafters

and going out a back door

and having a cab
waiting for her,

we don't go to
LensCrafters anymore.

Now, you can go to
whoever they pick,

but a person, who's
a trusted person,

has to stand by your side

while you're
getting an eye exam.

So, they changed their policies

on what they allow people to do.

Were you guys ever trained
how to speak to authorities

if they ever got onto the base?

- Absolutely…
- Yes.

Everybody on that base
has to do a course.

It's called the Int Base
Security and PR Course.

And that's the very first thing
you do when you get there.

- As soon as you arrive.
- And what is that?

It basically tells you how
to lie to the authorities.

It trains you what the story is.

So, you say, "I work at
Golden Era Productions",

we make movies for…
For Scientology."

Volunteer no information that…

That is beyond what
you're actually asked for.

And when you're asked,
answer in generalities.

You work in paradise and
you're wonderfully happy,

and that's the beginning
and the end of the story.

I was at the base for 14 years.

Eight of those years I worked in

Religious Technology Center

so that was David
Miscavige's top organization.

Essentially we had
the police role

of enforcing his orders.

So, I attended
hundreds of meetings,

maybe even thousands.

I witnessed definitely
thousands of instances

of David Miscavige
physically abusing staff.

He wanted to make sure
everybody knew very well

that's what was coming
if they didn't step in line.

It's about 15 times I witnessed

where he physically
assaulted people.

I was at the Gold
Base for 15 years,

and I was physically
abused by David Miscavige

on five or six
different occasions.

One of those times,
I was supposed to script

- an infomercial for "Dianetics."
- Mm-hmm.

And I had done several of these,

and they had been
very successful.

So, I was going to do a new one

to kind of revitalize
that whole campaign.

And I was called up to a meeting

in the big conference room
where the hole was,

and there was, like,
about 30 people there,

all the top execs of
Scientology were there.

And he started
reading off my script

with a lot of sarcasm.

And he was like, "Can
you believe this crap?"

You know?

Getting himself more
and more worked up,

and then he jumps
up on the table

with his feet and just
runs across the table.

It's like that scene from "Elf."

He gets up on the
table, runs across,

launches himself at me,

and starts battering my face.

The times I witnessed beatings

were in the management
conference room,

that's where the
hole is located.

And that's the other thing,
almost all the people

that he's given the beat down to

are major executives
of Scientology.

I don't remember him
ever giving a beat down

to any of the lower
level staff members.

It was always the people
that were the head.

Guillaume is one of
them who is still there.

Have you guys witnessed
him receiving abuse?

I saw Guillaume get
physically abused

by David Miscavige at
many different meetings,

um, and it was for
everything from

something he had done wrong

or David Miscavige did not like
his response to a question.

And I saw punching, shoving,

slapping, strangling,

um, hundreds of times.

One time David Miscavige
went in a meeting,

he took Marc Yager's head
and Guillaume's head

and he put his arms
around just their heads,

and he squeezed them
together so much that he…

The veins in his face
were popping out,

and you could see him,

his arms and his
face were beet red

from squeezing these
guys' heads together,

and their ears were
bleeding after that.

The very first time
I ever witnessed

Miscavige physically
abuse a staff member

was in the parking lot of
the Sandcastle, actually,

in Clearwater in March, '96.

And, um, David Miscavige
attacked Ray Mithoff.

Punched him, shoved him,
it was a culture of fear

entirely driven and
controlled by David Miscavige.

But also no way to reconcile

or resolve that.

Ray Mithoff's really tall,

and David Miscavige
is very short,

um, so, he had Ray
sitting at attention,

and then he just boxed his ears
and punched him and hit him,

and I witnessed that.

Norman Starkey,
I probably witnessed

hundreds of times
of physical abuse

where Miscavige would
punch him, shove him.

He would… Uh, Norman
wore hearing aids,

and Miscavige would turn
the volume all the way up,

so you could hear, like,
a high-pitch screech

coming out of Norman's ears.

Every single meeting I attended

with Miscavige
and Norman Starkey

involved physical abuse.

He attacked me, punched me,

shoved me at many…
Many other times.

And who witnessed this?

All of his entourage and all…

- I witnessed it.
- You witnessed this beating?

- I was there, too.
- You were there.

- Amy was there.
- I was there.

I was there on the… In
the conference room.

For that one, I was…

Marc Yager was there,
Guillaume was there,

Ray Mithoff was there.
Everybody.

Well, the reason
I say this out loud

is so that again,

the FBI or the
sheriff's department

will maybe now
have witness names

that they can then
go maybe interview.

And say, "You were
witness to these crimes,"

because those people
that you just mentioned

are still there
at the Gold Base.

They consider it is
the greatest good

for the greatest
number of dynamics.

What is good for David Miscavige

is good for planet
Earth, literally.

I was in the hole when there
was a competition of sorts

to write affidavits about

what a wonderful guy
David Miscavige was

with the idea that if
they did the best essay

on what a wonderful guy
David Miscavige was,

they would get out of the hole.

I think if law enforcement
and whoever else

really understood the mentality
that when… when you're in,

you'll do anything to
protect your religion.

You will lie, you
will do anything,

because it's the greater good,

because it's the
salvation of your church.

We often said if you wanna
know what Scientology did

and them hiding crimes
over the decades,

all you need to do
is conduct a raid

like the FBI
successfully did in 19…

'77.

70… and… and they received
all kinds of information.

They weren't looking for…
All that information

is… is in the folders
in Scientology.

Every word David
Miscavige says is recorded

and written down
and transcribed.

Where would these things be?

No, they're all
in building 50.

In the… In the
high density files

in David Miscavige's
office wing.

Well, for and giggles,

I'm gonna give that
information to somebody,

and by the time this airs
I'm sure they'll be a card

that said, "Nothing happened."

We gave that to the FBI.

Oh, you gave that
information to the FBI?

And so did I.

We told them the location
of building 50 files,

the location of archive storage.

Um, every… every single file
location on the property

we marked on a map and
explained how to get to it.

We watched aerial drone footage,

I'm not talking about the drone

you fly around with a
little remote control,

I'm talking about
a plane that flies

several thousand
feet over the ground

and takes pictures like they
do in intelligence operations.

The FBI showed us drone
footage of the property

and was asking us, "Okay,
who are these people?

"Where are they coming from?
Is this where the hole is at?

"What are these guys
doing over here?

Why are there a lot of
vehicles at building?"

We saw footage of the
property from a drone,

from a government drone.

A drone that you could
identify the people.

And nothing happened?

I was… I was identifying

people standing outside
or walking outside.

- And nothing happened?
- Nope, nothing happened.

Over the years, Miscavige
has fished people out

of the hole to go
appear in the media.

They get dressed up, tidied up,

and sent out the door with a…

buddy, escort, guard,

and are… tasked

with the job of trying to prove

how dedicated, loyal,
and on the team they are

in their presentation
to the media.

I know this because I did it.

I did it probably
more than anybody.

Those allegations are absolute,

utter rubbish.

Absolute, utter rubbish.

Our investigations began

after some former high
level members spoke

to "The St. Petersburg
Times" in Florida

claiming that Miscavige
struck members of his staff

on numerous occasions.

Allegations the church denies.

In 2009 "The St.
Petersburg Times"

published an extensive
series of articles

called "The Truth Rundown."

Me, Marty Rathbun, and a
whole bunch of other people

who had been at Gold detailed

all of what was
happening at Gold.

Scientology responded,
initially, saying,

"This is all lies."

As time kinda went
on they changed that,

because that was an
unsustainable position,

and they started saying that,

well, there was violence
at the Gold Base,

but it was all done by
Marty Rathbun and me,

and the other
people who had left.

First of all, the allegations

are absolutely untrue.

There was nothing of the sort,
um, as they're describing,

um, by Mr. Miscavige…

David Miscavige has
never kicked somebody?

- Absolutely not.
- Never punched somebody?

- Absolutely not.
- Never strangled somebody?

No, never, never, never, never.

It was part of what led to,
uh, Marty Rathbun's removal,

because that is the
kind of behavior

that, actually, he
was involved in.

Then they roll out the
wives, the wives of…

Yeah, it was the
ex-wives of me, Jeff,

Marty Rathbun, and Tom DeVocht.

- Right.
- They all said the same thing.

Your ex-husbands
have made charges

against David Miscavige,
saying that they have seen

repeated acts of
physical violence

perpetrated by Mr. Miscavige.

Is any of that true?

- No.
- Not one ounce of it.

That's not the character
of Mr. David Miscavige.

I slept with Tom DeVocht
for almost 20 years,

I knew every inch of him.

I never saw one scratch,
I never saw one bruise,

I never saw one
black eye, nothing.

Nor did he complain about
anything personally.

And Catherine, you
were married to

Mike Rinder for an
awfully long time.

He says that he was
beaten by David Miscavige

some 50 times,
and multiple people

have also said that
they saw Mike Rinder

bearing the brunt of
David Miscavige's wrath.

Mike Rinder… Mr. Miscavige
never laid a hand

on Mike Rinder.

I lived with Mike Rinder
for over 35 years,

I know every square inch
of Mike Rinder's body,

and I certainly
would have seen it.

The shifting sands of
Scientology's stories

about everything is literally,

they will tell a story over here

in order to avoid a problem.

And then that story
now becomes a problem,

because it wasn't true,

so now they tell
another untrue story…

That's what I'm saying, Mike.

And that piles on
top of the next one,

and they have an
unlimited ability

to tell lies.

These things aren't new.

This is decades of abuse

all pointing at one person…

David Miscavige.

Can they all be liars?

Are they all coming
up with this?

For what purpose?

Punched, grabbed by the
neck, thrown to the floor,

a number of
international executives.

He grabbed Mark's head
with both his hands

and swept him off his
feet and smashed his head

into the… Into a cherry cabinet.

I reached behind my head
and my head was bleeding.

Miscavige told me to beat
the guy with a stick.

I looked at him, and
I refused to do that.

He took that very
severely on me.

David Miscavige comes
up, grabs him by the tie

and starts bashing him
in the filing cabinets.

Then he's thrown
out in the street,

his tie's ripped off.

He threw Ray Mithoff
against the wall

and took his shirt
and, you know,

threw him up like this.

And made him get on
his hands and knees

and just humiliated him.

I saw horrible things going on…

- Mm-hmm.
- Wholesale abuses.

It just was not the
Scientology that I joined.

He said, "Where is the mother."

And he just walked
up and he hit me

on the side of the head.

I wanna talk about the hole,

because Scientology
has said repeatedly

that the hole did not
exist, never has existed,

it was a figment of
people's imagination.

I was in it

and I know some of
you here with me today

were also present in that hole.

It was literally
an office building

that was the international
management office building

that consisted of two
double wide trailers

connected together that had

the entrances and exits
barred except for one,

which was at the
front where there was

a 24-hour a day security guard.

All of the windows were screwed

so that they could not be
opened beyond this much

so nobody could
get out a window.

More than a hundred people

were in that building 24/7,

sleeping literally on the floor,

being fed whatever was
leftover from the dining room,

and being allowed to go
take a shower once a day

unless David Miscavige
happened to be on the base

and he didn't wanna
catch sight of anybody.

So if he was around, then
nobody even took a shower.

Now, Mike, you were…
You were obviously…

You've spoken about this before,

but never on our program.

You were beaten how many times?
Would you say… estimate…

Well, I've said often
that it's 50 times

by David Miscavige.

I think that that estimate
is extremely conservative.

I was definitely a… a target

for a lot of Miscavige wrath.

Now… Now, you stayed, Mike,

because like most
of Scientologists,

but also what… what you
guys have been through,

Sea Org members, you
believed that you deserved it

- at that time.
- I did.

I also believed that it
would be catastrophic

to my marriage, to my
children, to my mother,

to my father, to my brother,
to my sister, everybody.

Nevertheless,
I mean, I ultimately

came to the point where I left.

I wish I had done so sooner.

Hey, I'm glad I went now,

and I'm not still
sitting up there,

'cause I could
literally still be there

with Guillaume and Ray Mithoff
and all those other executives.

After the hole incident,
Mike, it happened again.

We have a current
witness who says,

"I was there where they
were locked in rooms

at Golden Era Productions,
no one could leave."

You guys have all
gone to the FBI,

and all they say to you is,

"Well, the statutes
have run out."

Well, they also
said at one point

they have to have
overwhelming evidence.

This is not
overwhelming evidence,

that it happened to all of you?

We both spoke to
the FBI for months,

we… in detail about
every single aspect

of everything that goes
on at that property.

We were both interviewed
for hours, individually.

It was all recorded,
and I truly believe…

Not just these guys, so was I,

so was Amy, so was Jeff,
so was Marty Rathbun.

And truly it was
the shining light,

like, finally, somebody
is going to do something.

Somebody's actually going to
believe there are criminal acts

being carried out
at this property,

and nobody is doing anything.

It was finally a hope
that… Oh, my gosh,

we can… we can save our friends

even if they won't
ever talk to us again,

we can do something and
reverse that hell environment

we were a part of
for so many years.

Their own documents prove

that they've been
lying this whole time.

And what happened?

The FBI said, "We need
overwhelming evidence.

We need a testimony from
everyone who was there."

This all seems so incredible.

Why didn't anybody do anything

if all of these
things were true?

Well, in 2009,

the FBI did have
an investigation

into Scientology and the abuses.

You guys told the world
what happened to you.

You told your own daughter,
you told everybody,

you told your own family.

Scientologists
know it's going on.

That's why it just gets
me crazy to say things,

like, if people
knew… people know.

And Scientologists should
be enough outraged to go,

"I don't wanna be part
of an organization

that's doing this."

I have to believe the
former head of OSA…

- I know.
- Or the former this

or the former that
that were there…

I have to believe that…
So many of these stories.

You know, we call on you to
come and do these shows, right?

- You don't get paid.
- No.

You don't get… you don't
even… what do we give you,

brownies and?

I mean…

Not even laced brownies,
like, just regular brownies.

You don't get anything
from being here.

Why do these people
keep talking?

We do it for the hope
that the crimes will stop,

that maybe someday I will
be able to see my mom again.

Oh.

- Sorry.
- Don't apologize.

- Ugh, it's so frustrating.
- I know.

I know.

I knew we weren't gonna make
it through without crying.

I almost made it.
I almost made it.

Damn you, Claire.
Damn you, Claire.

Let me get you a tissue.

- Getting everybody.
- I'm sorry.

I didn't know that was coming.

We spent the most…
Majority of our lives

fighting for human rights
thinking that we were

doing the right thing…

- At tremendous sacrifices…
- At tremendous…

- For nothing.
- Yes.

Well, not for nothing, to
lose our entire families.

But no matter what,
there… I truly believe

there is tremendous value in
exposing the mechanics of it,

how it works and
everything else,

because there has to be a way

that law enforcement will
realize what's going on.

And we'll eventually figure out

how to do something
effective to stop it.

It cannot keep going,

and I've always felt that
the people out in the world

that don't know
about Scientology

would like to believe
that this is not possible

to be happening
in today's world,

but it is possible,

and that's why we have
to keep exposing it.

These people have gone
to the authorities,

they have gone to the FBI.

The statutes have
run out for some.

What we had hoped
would happen, happened,

somebody new escaped.

Because we were told,
if you had a new person

maybe that can help.

And we have that new person
saying that "it was happening"

"and it's still happening
and I'm there and I saw it.

I saw it and I witnessed it."

I know the people you just saw.

I was there with them at Gold.

I saw what they saw.

There was a hole then and
there was a hole when I left.

There were beatings then

and there were
beatings when I left.

It didn't stop when
Mike and Marty left.

The only reason why all of that
happened in the first place

was David Miscavige.