Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath (2016–…): Season 3, Episode 11 - Episode #3.11 - full transcript
Leah and Mike speak with Jay Wexler, an expert in constitutional law, to discuss the remarkable story of Scientology's journey to tax-exempt status. Mike and Leah also talk with Lt. Yulanda...
Neither law enforcement nor the law
is designed to
effectively deal with a cult
or a heavily
mind-controlling organization.
We are hitting dead
ends with the police.
We're hitting dead ends with the IRS.
Scientology has
gotten away with what it does
with their tax-exempt status.
People were trying to
do the right thing,
and the authorities aren't listening.
It's maddening.
There's a lack of education on part
of the government agencies.
They need to know what they're
dealing with here.
I am the writer of the textbooks
of Scientology.
The aim and goal is to
put man in a mental condition,
where he him...
Can solve his own problems.
Without any Scientology organization,
things are not gonna
change on this planet.
After years of slowly
questioning Scientology...
Leah Remini and her very public break
with Scientology...
Scientology, what they do...
Trying to destroy people,
trying to destroy their
families when they leave,
they create a lot of people
who are willing to fight against them.
Scientology takes tax-free dollars
and ruins people's lives.
This is not the life
that I want to live.
I wanted to end my life.
Some people, it takes a year,
some people, it takes ten years
of just peeling that onion
of how you were manipulated
and made to think.
This season, we really needed to focus
on the reason why Scientology is able
to do the things that they do
is because they have tax-exempt status.
The people who have
bravely come on and told their stories
have not told those stories in vain.
They are having an impact.
We're presenting our case to the world,
to the FBI, to the IRS.
The most important thing
that has to be done
is the persistent telling of the truth,
and that's what you're doing.
You have to continue to fight.
You have to continue
to fight for what's right.
In past seasons, we have shown you
stories of abuse...
and the abuse of policies
of Scientology,
and we are constantly asked,
"How does the Church of Scientology
continue to get away with it?"
Tonight, we're gonna try
to answer that question,
because it really is
about their tax-exempt status.
I feel safe in stating
that if you were to take
all our previous external wins,
those over the last four decades,
and combine them all into one,
they wouldn't even approach
the magnitude
of what I'll announce tonight.
Tonight, what we're going to talk about
is the war to end all wars.
Today, we're talking
to Professor Jay Wexler,
from Boston University, who is...
an expert in church-state law.
He's written a couple of books about it
and has graciously agreed
to help us and the audience
understand some of these issues
vis-a-vis Scientology
and its tax-exempt status.
A lot of our viewers say,
"I don't understand
"how they continue to
have tax-exempt status,
how they continue to
get away with the abuses,"
the amount of money
that they're amassing
through what we're claiming is fraud.
Quite remarkable... story.
For decades, the IRS treated
Scientology as not tax-exempt.
You know, I think it's important
for everybody to understand that
being a religion or being
a church is necessary
to get tax-exempt status,
but it's not sufficient.
What my understanding
is that the IRS thought
the profits of the Church of Scientology
went to a private individual,
which is not allowed under the tax code.
That was specifically L. Ron Hubbard,
and in the mind of Scientology,
once L. Ron Hubbard died,
"Oh, well, great.
We'll be able to pull this off".
L. Ron Hubbard's will decreed
that his estate had to be distributed
to a tax-exempt organization
of Scientology.
The Church of Spiritual Technology
was created for that purpose.
I was a part of the team
that restructured
the entire corporate hierarchy
of Scientology,
including the creation of
CST in the early 1980s.
In 1986, when L. Ron Hubbard died,
CST still did not have
tax-exempt status.
His estate was held in limbo
because it could not be distributed.
That started a very,
very intense campaign
from Scientology,
led by David Miscavige,
to gain exemption from the IRS.
The IRS was engaged in a
criminal investigation.
They were issuing levies
and massive tax assessments
against Scientology,
so Scientology did what
Hubbard says to do.
- Attack.
- Attack. Fight back.
They sued the IRS.
They started putting
private investigators
on individual IRS agents.
Now a lot of lawyers hire private eyes
to dig up dirt on people.
I mean, now we are even hearing...
I don't know.
I know... I've
heard that people do that,
and I know that the media does that,
but I don't know that
a lot of lawyers do that.
I don't do that.
L. Ron Hubbard said,
"Don't go after organizations.
"Go after individuals.
Make it painful for the individual".
This is not something
that the IRS confronts normally.
I don't think that they've
ever had to deal
with something like this before, ever.
We began exposing the actual who's.
That's right. Naming names.
First, we filed a suit
for $128 million on the IRS
and the individual IRS agents
committing these criminal acts.
Now, we were able to piece
together their crimes
from the bits of documents
we had received,
and then the International
Association of Scientologists
sponsored more ads in "USA Today".
You have no idea how much
the IRS hates publicity,
but to see their own faces...
It was more than they could handle.
We have obtained a previously
undisclosed memo
from the IRS at this time
that this is going on,
and it reads,
"We have recently received
reports of harassment.
"This harassment has been in the form
"of photographing employees
and their family members,
"surveillance of residences,
and annoying telephone calls.
"These events have taken place
"in the National Office
in the Los Angeles area.
"We have traced one incident
to a private investigator
associated with the Church
of Scientology".
This went on for ten years.
Could you imagine you work
at the IRS and you're doing...
Just, you're simply your job,
and then all of a sudden,
you have PI's following you?
It became frantic in 1992.
It became an obsession
and a
no-holds-barred assault
on whatever it took
to attain tax-exempt status
for Scientology.
So David Miscavige and Marty Rathbun
literally walked down to
1111 Constitution Avenue,
walked into the IRS building, and said,
"Hi, I want to meet
with the IRS commissioner".
It's reported that David Miscavige
asked, "If we turn off
the faucet of all of this..."
"Freedom Magazine's"
investigating, exposing,
ads in "USA Today"
Like, it was a major campaign.
"Can you resolve our issues?"
and Fred Goldberg said, "Yes,"
and ultimately, the deal was done.
So this guy didn't want
to continue the fight,
because if they... you know,
there's documents that say,
"We do not find this organization
to be fitting
the criteria for tax-exempt status,"
and then all of a sudden,
the guy signs off on it.
Yeah.
What is so insane is that Scientology
used their abusive policies
to gain tax-exempt status.
The way that Scientology
achieved their tax-exempt status
is the reason why they shouldn't have
tax-exempt status.
It's... it's actually insane.
You know, out of the dozen
or so... IRS agents
who were individually targeted
by Scientology,
we have spoken to two of them.
One of them was unwilling
to appear on camera,
and we asked him why,
and he said, "You know",
"after all this time,
"do you know that I
still make several right turns
"when I'm traveling anywhere?
"Like, that caused me
emotional, like, trauma
"that I still haven't gotten over
"and I'm here talking
to you guys off-camera
"to try to help you
"because I believe in what
you guys are doing,
"and I think it's outrageous
that this organization received
its tax-exempt status,"
which he didn't believe
they should receive,
but he wanted to help,
but he just didn't want
to appear on camera.
Yeah, that's...
That's a terrible story, yeah.
The IRS is well aware of the
tactics of Scientology,
that they should be doing
something about it.
There will be no billion-dollar
tax bill
which we can't pay.
There will be no more discrimination.
There will be no more 2,500 cases
against parishioners across the U.S.
The pipeline of IRS false reports
won't keep flowing across the planet.
There will be no more nothing,
because on October 1, 1993,
at 8:37 p.m. Eastern Standard Time,
the IRS issued letters
recognizing Scientology
and every one of its organizations
as fully tax-exempt.
The war is over.
The IRS acquiesced on everything
and basically granted
all Scientology organizations
and entities
religious tax-exempt status,
and all donations, all
payments to Scientology
from Scientologists,
as being deductible,
in October of 1993.
That part is extraordinary
from my perspective.
There's a Supreme Court case
that specifically said
that payment for auditing services
is not deductible
to the person who makes the payment,
because it's basically
a quid pro quo business transaction,
and the Supreme Court upheld that
and said, "That's right".
The Supreme Court held that,
and then in this settlement,
the commissioner of the
IRS basically said,
"Forget that, and from
now on, you can deduct".
How do they continue to get away with
"this is freedom of religion,
this is our First Amendment rights?"
This is the stuff
that I don't understand,
that given the tax-exempt status,
it's kind of freed
the path for Scientology...
Continue to do this.
The best place to start
might be just to back up
and think about, you know,
"What is the point
"of having a tax-exempt program
in the first place," right.
- Sure.
- Everybody pays taxes.
Individuals pay taxes,
institutions pay taxes,
corporations pay taxes,
and that tax money
goes to fund all of our public benefits.
We, through Congress,
we the people have decided,
you know, there are certain
categories of organizations.
If you are in one of those categories
and you meet all of the
other requirements,
those groups, because
they provide a benefit
that the government might not provide
as much as we would like,
they get to be tax-exempt,
but we also have to realize
that there's a cost,
because that's less money
going to the public,
which either means that everybody else
has to pay more taxes
right out of their pocket,
or it means we have less services,
we have less defense,
we have less education,
we have less infrastructure,
right, our bridges fall apart.
That's why the agencies and the IRS,
the Department of Treasury,
have an obligation to
make sure that if somebody is...
If an institution is granted
a tax-exempt status,
that there's a good reason for it.
When I say, "You, American taxpayer,
are subsidizing the activities
of Scientology,"
this is exactly what I mean.
This is your tax dollars
are a substitute
for the tax dollars from
the Church of Scientology.
I would like to just go
through these guidelines
that the IRS uses to determine
what is or isn't a religion
in order to qualify
under that part of the exempt code.
The first one is that the organization
has to be organized formally
as one of the listed types.
Like, it has to be formally organized
as a religious organization.
I don't think that's the
particularly difficult thing
for any institution or organization...
- to get over that hurdle.
- Right.
- The second one is...
- The second one,
which gets much more complicated
and interesting, I think, is that you...
That the organization has to be operated
for the purpose that it's organized for,
so if you say you're
a literary organization,
then you have to, in fact,
operate as a literary organization.
To go a little further
in this operational test,
is it acting as a commercial entity?
If you're making tons of money,
maybe you're a business,
and so that's something
that the agency has to look at.
It's not an either-or thing.
You can be a church,
you can be a religious organization,
but also be more commercial
than a church,
and therefore not deserve
tax-exempt status.
For example, an institution that says,
"Our purpose is to protect
against cruelty to animals,"
which happens to be
one of the listed things,
and you do some
animal cruelty prevention,
but you're also selling
lots and lots of books about animals.
- Okay.
- Right?
And so you're making
lots and lots of money,
and that money maybe is
even going to the person
who runs the organization, right?
In a sense, you are still
an animal rescue organization,
but you're all of these
other things too,
and so even though you are
an animal-helping organization,
you don't get tax-exempt status.
If your religious organization's
primary activity
is accumulating funds
and buying empty real estate,
that is not primarily
the activity of a religion,
and it's not providing a public benefit.
Well, let me ask you this,
because people say this all the time,
what's the difference
between that and real churches?
You know, real churches
have just as much money,
if not more than, Scientology.
Well, for the most part,
it's the method in which
they collect it,
it's the amount of money
that they have accumulated
over centuries.
Like, the assets of the Catholic Church
and the buildings they have,
or the Baptist Church, or whatever,
have been accumulated over h...
A long, long period of time.
Scientology arrived
on the scene in the 1950s
and suddenly has $3 billion,
and massive real estate holdings
around the world,
and doesn't have a population of people
commensurate with that.
This is very different,
and Scientology is run as a business.
You walk into a Church of Scientology
and you are required to pay,
and you may not participate
in the main services of Scientology...
Yes, there's a few that they throw in
that are free to sort of be able to say
that we have free stuff,
but the truth of the matter is
everything you do in Scientology,
you are required to pay for in advance,
with discounts for the more in advance,
and discounts
for the bigger amount
that you give them,
and that has been determined
to not be a commercial transaction,
and that is mind-boggling.
A tax-exempt organization
can have money,
it can have profits,
it can have bank accounts,
but there has to be some
sort of rela...
reasonable relationship,
proportional relationship,
between the money it has
and the benefits it's providing.
You know, the audience should understand
that there's a lot of things
that are clear in the law
and there are a lot of things
that are... that's mushy.
Let me tell you, Scientology
isn't mushy on this stuff.
Exactly, even if you
didn't have Scientology
on that point because it's vague, right,
you still have Scientology
on the other points.
It's a great business model, right,
because there's tons
and tons of "buy now,"
and "you have to get this
now, and you have to get... "
and you have to buy in advance,
and "50% off" you know, it's like a...
You know, I'm sure
they're gonna be running ads
on their Scientology channel.
For... for a "Memorial Day
sale on your eternity".
Like, I'm waiting
for that, but, you know,
they actually have printed sales pitches
that they send out all the time.
And if I understand it right, you know,
that's a big part of the reason why
the IRS treated them as not tax-exempt.
- Exactly.
- And they were
absolutely correct.
So there's al... there's
an additional restriction
on... if you get non-profit status,
an organization should not be considered
a non-profit organization
if its activities
are either in further
of an illegal purpose
or a purpose that is contrary
to public policy.
What is public policy?
Well, that's like the
$100,000 million question.
The Supreme Court applied it
in a case called Bob Jones University,
which was an investigation
of whether the university
could discriminate on the basis
of race in its admission.
It didn't let in anybody
but white people.
It said,
"To warrant an exemption,
an institution..."
And any agency that's looking to see
if something is a violation
of public policy star...
Should start with that definition.
Look, when the IRS granted
exemption to Scientology,
there was a five-year trial period
that was built into the settlement,
five years
Scientology had to keep showing
that they were in compliance
with the IRS regulations,
and there are a lot of things
in what was presented
to the IRS at that time
that have changed subsequent to 1998,
when any overview of Scientology ended,
and that to me is what the IRS
should be going back and looking at
and saying, "Wait a minute,
you told us this",
but that didn't turn out to be true".
I also want to read you something
that was sent to the IRS
in the course of seeking exemption.
This is what they said,
and this is a public record document
that was submitted to the IRS, saying,
"You should be giving
us tax-exempt status".
This, to me, encapsulates
the real story of this exemption.
This is the arrogance,
the assertion of "We will destroy you",
we will attack you".
Why would anybody put that in there?
Conflating the IRS trying to make sure
that a non-profit
organization's in fact
providing a public benefit
with the Holocaust and with Nazis
is just... is just disgusting.
Not only was the application
itself weird,
the granting of exemption came
subsequent to court rulings,
including from the
United States Supreme Court,
that said that the IRS
was absolutely correct
in denying Scientology exempt status
and denying the deductibility
of donations to Scientology.
"The court does not question
"the sincerity of the belief
of those who practice Scientology".
"Nor does the court hold..."
"Plainly it is. But..."
Okay, one more that I
just want to mention to you.
There was a decision that also went
to the United States Supreme Court
concerning these tapes
called the "Mission
Corporate Category Sort Out".
These tapes were recordings
of Scientology's lawyers
planning to construct a scheme
to avoid IRS taxation.
The way that these tapes
were described was...
Now, those tapes were turned over
based on this decision,
which was 1991,
again, two years before the exemption,
and the IRS had those tapes,
again ignored,
and effectively, that was all thrown out
and IRS just folded its tent and said,
"Okay, we'll give you exemption
in spite of the fact
that we have these".
I can't imagine what
the conversations were like,
because all the stuff was in the...
Was in the public record
and the IRS had a history of denying
the tax-exempt status for so long.
The IRS comes before
the Supreme Court and says,
"Here's... here are the facts,"
and they're... you know,
they're what you read,
and then to just
ignore that is... is just...
It's bewildering.
It is doing a disservice and injustice
to A, every taxpayer
in the United States,
but more importantly to the people
who suffer the abuse at
the hands of Scientology,
and this is another point
that the IRS exemption brings:
the lack of government oversight.
So Scientology never
has to answer up about
how much money has it spent
on private investigators,
how much money has gone
to lawyers to send letters
to people who appear on our show.
Religions get some autonomy
to believe different things,
but religions don't get the authority
to go outside of themselves
and impose harms,
and burdens, and harassment
on people who are just going
about their business.
Or building a mansion for L. Ron Hubbard
after he's dead.
A house. No, five houses.
He's got five houses constructed for him
around the world in
these CST properties.
Do you want to know why?
- He's coming back?
- Correct.
That's the kind of thing
that... that the...
The tax-exempt status analysis
is about, right?
And it's just a matter of convincing
the people who are in charge
of enforcing that
to at least take another look.
You've answered a question for me,
which is very simple,
which is it's not that it's...
We're going after calling them
a church, not a church,
that's our opinion, but that's fine,
we're just saying "You don't
deserve tax-exempt status,"
and I think that's very simple,
and I think that should
be achievable by the IRS,
and I think they should...
It's time for them to
do something about it.
From everything I've heard
and everything you've said,
I agree absolutely.
You're absolutely right,
you believe you are a church
and you are entitled
to believe what you want to believe.
You can believe in dogs,
you can believe in pineapples.
I mean, if you want
to pray to a pineapple,
you have every right to do it.
Being a religion does not guarantee
that you should receive
tax-exempt status.
Look, I understand that there are
some obstacles to what
the authorities can do,
but there has to be
something more you can do.
There has to be more education.
You have to look and want to look.
You can't say you
don't know what's going on.
You have to know what's going on.
This is what you do.
This is what you do for a living,
to protect and to serve.
I am Yulanda Williams,
and I am employed as a lieutenant
currently with
the San Francisco Police Department.
I've been a police officer for 28 years.
We have requested
to talk to any person
from law enforcement,
and all have declined.
I just want to say
everything that I say today
is my personal opinion,
based upon my experiences.
Right.
Which is very important.
You have experience.
Most people... who go
into law enforcement
don't have this experience.
Not only do they not have
the personal experience,
but it seems... and you
can correct me if I'm wrong...
They don't want to know about it,
because when I have tried to,
and Mike has tried to go in,
something happens, Yulanda,
like, where they
just stop listening to us.
Why can't we penetrate to teach?
Unfortunately, the cult situation
is something that I don't think
that there's any real
law enforcement training
to really know how to deal
with those types of situations
or those types of religious
organizations
that move in the direction
of cult-like treatment
and handling of their members.
Law enforcement responding
to these types of compounds
and religious organizations
need to recognize
people have been living
on these premises
for an extended period of time.
They're potentially brainwashed.
And even with me going
into law enforcement,
it took me 15 years to finally tell them
who I really was
and that I was a survivor from a cult,
and then when they found out,
they couldn't believe it.
Right. Right.
And so it's that ideology
that creates some of the problems
with how law enforcement
is able to best come in
and be equipped to deal with a cult
or something that's cult-like.
I want to talk to you about that.
I want to talk to you about why.
Why did it take you so long to tell them
that you're a survivor?
- It was fear.
- Yeah.
Fear of the fact that
when people speak of those
who have been involved in cults,
they think that there's
something wrong with you.
They automatically assume
that it's your fault.
It's like the battered wife syndrome.
It's... you know, it's
always the victim's fault.
They feel like if you were a fool enough
to go into a cult
and you got stuck there,
that's your fault, that's your problem,
and it's that undertone
that makes someone who
comes from out of a cult
be fearful to go public and say,
"Look, I've been there.
I know what it's like.
I've got first-hand
experience about it".
So I want to talk to you about the LAPD.
I filed a missing persons report
on the leader's wife
who hadn't been seen in public
for the time of ten years.
And I was writing letters to her,
not receiving responses, I wouldn't...
Couldn't get an answer.
Anyway, filed a police report.
Filed a police report with my friend
who was a detective at the LAPD.
He asked his captain if
he could take it himself.
The captain said,
"Send it to missing persons
and stay out of it".
Within, what, two days,
LAPD releases a statement
that my report was unfounded.
Then as it starts coming
out in the press,
I guess they got a little, like,
"Oh, we should say something
to this girl,"
so then they said,
"Well, we did make contact,
"and she is fine and doesn't want
to be spoken to,
doesn't want to be found".
Then I said, "Well, under
what circumstances
"did you see this person, supposedly?
"Was she alone?
"Did you see her physically
with your own eyes?
"Did you tell her that people
are trying to help her,
that she has a way out?
Did you tell her... "
"We don't have to do
any of that," they said.
It was never clear that they saw her,
and even if they saw her,
did you see her alone?
Was she with her handlers?
Was she under...
None of that information
could I receive.
You have to think about it.
Police officers who've never
been exposed to that...
They can't even fathom the idea
that someone would allow someone to have
that type of control and to that extent.
Most cults do not really consider
law enforcement to be their friends.
Most cults consider law enforcement
and anything that's associated
with the state
that's trying to conduct oversight
to be an archenemy.
Everything outside
of the world of the cult
- is evil, bad...
- True.
You know, everybody's got
different words for it,
but that includes government agencies,
that includes Child Protective Services,
that includes everybody,
because they're outsiders.
Did they give you a copy
of your missing persons report
- that you filed?
- No.
I called Lieutenant Dawson,
who was supposedly
in charge of this case,
even though he's not even
listed on the police report,
and he said he couldn't
give me any information.
Safe-pointing is a concept
that Hubbard came up with
of how you protect the organization
from outside trouble,
and it entails finding
the people in the community
who are the...
What he called "opinion leaders".
Like, you don't want the police,
or law enforcement, or anybody else...
The fire department or whatever...
Having a bad impression of you,
because they have influence
over your activities,
so you locate the people
within your community
that you need to have be your friends,
and you do whatever it takes
to make them friendly towards you,
and each person
that is in that community
that is a friendly person towards you
is a "safe point,"
and the more safe points
you have around your organization,
the less likely it is
that your operations
will suffer or be impeded
by the outside world
somehow making its way
inside the Scientology bubble.
I'm thinking about from
the measure of accountability,
transparency, and everything else
that when you tie yourselves
and align yourselves so much
with one organization, it
makes it very hard for you
to have a clear view
of what may be occurring,
and you might miss
some very important points.
Every time I talk to someone
who was involved
in another organization
similar to Scientology,
you go, "Oh, my God, this is...
Like, it's all the same stuff".
Here's what's so crazy to me.
How do the government agencies
and the police departments
not know that this is what's going on?
Again, my suggestion
after talking about this
at the length we have
is the police officer's
standards and training
to communicate with them directly
and urge them to start putting together
some type of training on cults.
How do you deal with them?
What are the underlying red flags
of a cult,
or that someone that might
be going through something
where they're being forced
to do something
that they, under normal circumstances,
- would not do?
- Right.
And I think it's incumbent upon us
to come up with those warning signs,
put the pen to paper on what they are.
- Agreed.
- Totally agreed.
Educating law enforcement
and government agencies,
and having people within them
that actually understand
what they are dealing with.
Any government agency, like
Child Protective Services...
Another great example...
If someone does come forward
and says, "Look, I was assaulted.
I was sexually molested,
I was whatever,"
as soon as law enforcement
informs Scientology
that there is a complainer,
there are 50 people who write affidavits
signed on the penalty of perjury saying,
- "This never happened".
- Absolutely.
"It's impossible. It
couldn't ever happen".
And then law enforcement
goes, "Okay, case closed".
And you go, "But, wait a minute,
do you know that
those people are lying?"
"Well, they are signed
under penalty of perjury".
It means nothing.
Because Scientology has a term
- called The Greatest Good.
- Yes, the... that's right.
- The Greatest Good is to lie...
- For the cause.
- For the cause.
- Yes.
Anything that brings outside agencies
inside the Scientology world to check
to make sure that Scientology
is doing the right thing
is seen as an attack,
so something as innocuous
as a welfare check
is seen as an attempt
to bring down Scientology.
If you're really doing
your thorough investigation,
why not have an investigator
just periodically
spot check the location?
Call a social worker and say,
"We would like for you
"as a mandated reporter of the state
"and a social worker to go with us.
We need to collaborate".
And again, training,
so that then, the officer
who's put in the situation
to have to take that hard stand that,
"No, I think something's going on here
and I need to come in
and see for myself,"
knows that they have the backings
of the state, training,
that what they're doing is
what they're supposed to do.
- Right.
- We're leaving others behind
while we just keep
walking around and saying,
"Oh, yeah, that's a
Scientology building.
"Nah, I'm not going in there.
Whoever's in there,
well, that's their problem.
I'm not dealing with it".
- We got to stop that.
- Right.
Thank you.
Thank you.
You're an amazing human being.
Had Scientology not obtained
tax-exempt status,
it wouldn't exist.
It could not have paid
that billion dollars in
assessments from the IRS.
It would have had to be liquidated.
The fact that it got tax-exempt status
has now allowed Scientology
in the subsequent 20-plus years
to accumulate enormous amounts of money
that it can use to do what it wishes.
The reason why an organization
is tax-exempt
is because they are supposedly providing
a service to the public.
That's why they have tax-exempt money,
'cause they're like,
"Oh, okay, we feed the poor,
"so that's why we need our money.
We're doing good things.
We're servicing the community".
What Scientology is doing
and has been doing
and will continue to do
is just use their tax-exempt money
to bully people into silence.
The authorities really need to go after
their tax-exempt status,
'cause that is really the thing
that will stop these abuses.
It will stop the pain.
It will stop the hurt.
It will stop the bullying,
the harassing,
the private eyes from going after people
who are simply speaking their truth.
is designed to
effectively deal with a cult
or a heavily
mind-controlling organization.
We are hitting dead
ends with the police.
We're hitting dead ends with the IRS.
Scientology has
gotten away with what it does
with their tax-exempt status.
People were trying to
do the right thing,
and the authorities aren't listening.
It's maddening.
There's a lack of education on part
of the government agencies.
They need to know what they're
dealing with here.
I am the writer of the textbooks
of Scientology.
The aim and goal is to
put man in a mental condition,
where he him...
Can solve his own problems.
Without any Scientology organization,
things are not gonna
change on this planet.
After years of slowly
questioning Scientology...
Leah Remini and her very public break
with Scientology...
Scientology, what they do...
Trying to destroy people,
trying to destroy their
families when they leave,
they create a lot of people
who are willing to fight against them.
Scientology takes tax-free dollars
and ruins people's lives.
This is not the life
that I want to live.
I wanted to end my life.
Some people, it takes a year,
some people, it takes ten years
of just peeling that onion
of how you were manipulated
and made to think.
This season, we really needed to focus
on the reason why Scientology is able
to do the things that they do
is because they have tax-exempt status.
The people who have
bravely come on and told their stories
have not told those stories in vain.
They are having an impact.
We're presenting our case to the world,
to the FBI, to the IRS.
The most important thing
that has to be done
is the persistent telling of the truth,
and that's what you're doing.
You have to continue to fight.
You have to continue
to fight for what's right.
In past seasons, we have shown you
stories of abuse...
and the abuse of policies
of Scientology,
and we are constantly asked,
"How does the Church of Scientology
continue to get away with it?"
Tonight, we're gonna try
to answer that question,
because it really is
about their tax-exempt status.
I feel safe in stating
that if you were to take
all our previous external wins,
those over the last four decades,
and combine them all into one,
they wouldn't even approach
the magnitude
of what I'll announce tonight.
Tonight, what we're going to talk about
is the war to end all wars.
Today, we're talking
to Professor Jay Wexler,
from Boston University, who is...
an expert in church-state law.
He's written a couple of books about it
and has graciously agreed
to help us and the audience
understand some of these issues
vis-a-vis Scientology
and its tax-exempt status.
A lot of our viewers say,
"I don't understand
"how they continue to
have tax-exempt status,
how they continue to
get away with the abuses,"
the amount of money
that they're amassing
through what we're claiming is fraud.
Quite remarkable... story.
For decades, the IRS treated
Scientology as not tax-exempt.
You know, I think it's important
for everybody to understand that
being a religion or being
a church is necessary
to get tax-exempt status,
but it's not sufficient.
What my understanding
is that the IRS thought
the profits of the Church of Scientology
went to a private individual,
which is not allowed under the tax code.
That was specifically L. Ron Hubbard,
and in the mind of Scientology,
once L. Ron Hubbard died,
"Oh, well, great.
We'll be able to pull this off".
L. Ron Hubbard's will decreed
that his estate had to be distributed
to a tax-exempt organization
of Scientology.
The Church of Spiritual Technology
was created for that purpose.
I was a part of the team
that restructured
the entire corporate hierarchy
of Scientology,
including the creation of
CST in the early 1980s.
In 1986, when L. Ron Hubbard died,
CST still did not have
tax-exempt status.
His estate was held in limbo
because it could not be distributed.
That started a very,
very intense campaign
from Scientology,
led by David Miscavige,
to gain exemption from the IRS.
The IRS was engaged in a
criminal investigation.
They were issuing levies
and massive tax assessments
against Scientology,
so Scientology did what
Hubbard says to do.
- Attack.
- Attack. Fight back.
They sued the IRS.
They started putting
private investigators
on individual IRS agents.
Now a lot of lawyers hire private eyes
to dig up dirt on people.
I mean, now we are even hearing...
I don't know.
I know... I've
heard that people do that,
and I know that the media does that,
but I don't know that
a lot of lawyers do that.
I don't do that.
L. Ron Hubbard said,
"Don't go after organizations.
"Go after individuals.
Make it painful for the individual".
This is not something
that the IRS confronts normally.
I don't think that they've
ever had to deal
with something like this before, ever.
We began exposing the actual who's.
That's right. Naming names.
First, we filed a suit
for $128 million on the IRS
and the individual IRS agents
committing these criminal acts.
Now, we were able to piece
together their crimes
from the bits of documents
we had received,
and then the International
Association of Scientologists
sponsored more ads in "USA Today".
You have no idea how much
the IRS hates publicity,
but to see their own faces...
It was more than they could handle.
We have obtained a previously
undisclosed memo
from the IRS at this time
that this is going on,
and it reads,
"We have recently received
reports of harassment.
"This harassment has been in the form
"of photographing employees
and their family members,
"surveillance of residences,
and annoying telephone calls.
"These events have taken place
"in the National Office
in the Los Angeles area.
"We have traced one incident
to a private investigator
associated with the Church
of Scientology".
This went on for ten years.
Could you imagine you work
at the IRS and you're doing...
Just, you're simply your job,
and then all of a sudden,
you have PI's following you?
It became frantic in 1992.
It became an obsession
and a
no-holds-barred assault
on whatever it took
to attain tax-exempt status
for Scientology.
So David Miscavige and Marty Rathbun
literally walked down to
1111 Constitution Avenue,
walked into the IRS building, and said,
"Hi, I want to meet
with the IRS commissioner".
It's reported that David Miscavige
asked, "If we turn off
the faucet of all of this..."
"Freedom Magazine's"
investigating, exposing,
ads in "USA Today"
Like, it was a major campaign.
"Can you resolve our issues?"
and Fred Goldberg said, "Yes,"
and ultimately, the deal was done.
So this guy didn't want
to continue the fight,
because if they... you know,
there's documents that say,
"We do not find this organization
to be fitting
the criteria for tax-exempt status,"
and then all of a sudden,
the guy signs off on it.
Yeah.
What is so insane is that Scientology
used their abusive policies
to gain tax-exempt status.
The way that Scientology
achieved their tax-exempt status
is the reason why they shouldn't have
tax-exempt status.
It's... it's actually insane.
You know, out of the dozen
or so... IRS agents
who were individually targeted
by Scientology,
we have spoken to two of them.
One of them was unwilling
to appear on camera,
and we asked him why,
and he said, "You know",
"after all this time,
"do you know that I
still make several right turns
"when I'm traveling anywhere?
"Like, that caused me
emotional, like, trauma
"that I still haven't gotten over
"and I'm here talking
to you guys off-camera
"to try to help you
"because I believe in what
you guys are doing,
"and I think it's outrageous
that this organization received
its tax-exempt status,"
which he didn't believe
they should receive,
but he wanted to help,
but he just didn't want
to appear on camera.
Yeah, that's...
That's a terrible story, yeah.
The IRS is well aware of the
tactics of Scientology,
that they should be doing
something about it.
There will be no billion-dollar
tax bill
which we can't pay.
There will be no more discrimination.
There will be no more 2,500 cases
against parishioners across the U.S.
The pipeline of IRS false reports
won't keep flowing across the planet.
There will be no more nothing,
because on October 1, 1993,
at 8:37 p.m. Eastern Standard Time,
the IRS issued letters
recognizing Scientology
and every one of its organizations
as fully tax-exempt.
The war is over.
The IRS acquiesced on everything
and basically granted
all Scientology organizations
and entities
religious tax-exempt status,
and all donations, all
payments to Scientology
from Scientologists,
as being deductible,
in October of 1993.
That part is extraordinary
from my perspective.
There's a Supreme Court case
that specifically said
that payment for auditing services
is not deductible
to the person who makes the payment,
because it's basically
a quid pro quo business transaction,
and the Supreme Court upheld that
and said, "That's right".
The Supreme Court held that,
and then in this settlement,
the commissioner of the
IRS basically said,
"Forget that, and from
now on, you can deduct".
How do they continue to get away with
"this is freedom of religion,
this is our First Amendment rights?"
This is the stuff
that I don't understand,
that given the tax-exempt status,
it's kind of freed
the path for Scientology...
Continue to do this.
The best place to start
might be just to back up
and think about, you know,
"What is the point
"of having a tax-exempt program
in the first place," right.
- Sure.
- Everybody pays taxes.
Individuals pay taxes,
institutions pay taxes,
corporations pay taxes,
and that tax money
goes to fund all of our public benefits.
We, through Congress,
we the people have decided,
you know, there are certain
categories of organizations.
If you are in one of those categories
and you meet all of the
other requirements,
those groups, because
they provide a benefit
that the government might not provide
as much as we would like,
they get to be tax-exempt,
but we also have to realize
that there's a cost,
because that's less money
going to the public,
which either means that everybody else
has to pay more taxes
right out of their pocket,
or it means we have less services,
we have less defense,
we have less education,
we have less infrastructure,
right, our bridges fall apart.
That's why the agencies and the IRS,
the Department of Treasury,
have an obligation to
make sure that if somebody is...
If an institution is granted
a tax-exempt status,
that there's a good reason for it.
When I say, "You, American taxpayer,
are subsidizing the activities
of Scientology,"
this is exactly what I mean.
This is your tax dollars
are a substitute
for the tax dollars from
the Church of Scientology.
I would like to just go
through these guidelines
that the IRS uses to determine
what is or isn't a religion
in order to qualify
under that part of the exempt code.
The first one is that the organization
has to be organized formally
as one of the listed types.
Like, it has to be formally organized
as a religious organization.
I don't think that's the
particularly difficult thing
for any institution or organization...
- to get over that hurdle.
- Right.
- The second one is...
- The second one,
which gets much more complicated
and interesting, I think, is that you...
That the organization has to be operated
for the purpose that it's organized for,
so if you say you're
a literary organization,
then you have to, in fact,
operate as a literary organization.
To go a little further
in this operational test,
is it acting as a commercial entity?
If you're making tons of money,
maybe you're a business,
and so that's something
that the agency has to look at.
It's not an either-or thing.
You can be a church,
you can be a religious organization,
but also be more commercial
than a church,
and therefore not deserve
tax-exempt status.
For example, an institution that says,
"Our purpose is to protect
against cruelty to animals,"
which happens to be
one of the listed things,
and you do some
animal cruelty prevention,
but you're also selling
lots and lots of books about animals.
- Okay.
- Right?
And so you're making
lots and lots of money,
and that money maybe is
even going to the person
who runs the organization, right?
In a sense, you are still
an animal rescue organization,
but you're all of these
other things too,
and so even though you are
an animal-helping organization,
you don't get tax-exempt status.
If your religious organization's
primary activity
is accumulating funds
and buying empty real estate,
that is not primarily
the activity of a religion,
and it's not providing a public benefit.
Well, let me ask you this,
because people say this all the time,
what's the difference
between that and real churches?
You know, real churches
have just as much money,
if not more than, Scientology.
Well, for the most part,
it's the method in which
they collect it,
it's the amount of money
that they have accumulated
over centuries.
Like, the assets of the Catholic Church
and the buildings they have,
or the Baptist Church, or whatever,
have been accumulated over h...
A long, long period of time.
Scientology arrived
on the scene in the 1950s
and suddenly has $3 billion,
and massive real estate holdings
around the world,
and doesn't have a population of people
commensurate with that.
This is very different,
and Scientology is run as a business.
You walk into a Church of Scientology
and you are required to pay,
and you may not participate
in the main services of Scientology...
Yes, there's a few that they throw in
that are free to sort of be able to say
that we have free stuff,
but the truth of the matter is
everything you do in Scientology,
you are required to pay for in advance,
with discounts for the more in advance,
and discounts
for the bigger amount
that you give them,
and that has been determined
to not be a commercial transaction,
and that is mind-boggling.
A tax-exempt organization
can have money,
it can have profits,
it can have bank accounts,
but there has to be some
sort of rela...
reasonable relationship,
proportional relationship,
between the money it has
and the benefits it's providing.
You know, the audience should understand
that there's a lot of things
that are clear in the law
and there are a lot of things
that are... that's mushy.
Let me tell you, Scientology
isn't mushy on this stuff.
Exactly, even if you
didn't have Scientology
on that point because it's vague, right,
you still have Scientology
on the other points.
It's a great business model, right,
because there's tons
and tons of "buy now,"
and "you have to get this
now, and you have to get... "
and you have to buy in advance,
and "50% off" you know, it's like a...
You know, I'm sure
they're gonna be running ads
on their Scientology channel.
For... for a "Memorial Day
sale on your eternity".
Like, I'm waiting
for that, but, you know,
they actually have printed sales pitches
that they send out all the time.
And if I understand it right, you know,
that's a big part of the reason why
the IRS treated them as not tax-exempt.
- Exactly.
- And they were
absolutely correct.
So there's al... there's
an additional restriction
on... if you get non-profit status,
an organization should not be considered
a non-profit organization
if its activities
are either in further
of an illegal purpose
or a purpose that is contrary
to public policy.
What is public policy?
Well, that's like the
$100,000 million question.
The Supreme Court applied it
in a case called Bob Jones University,
which was an investigation
of whether the university
could discriminate on the basis
of race in its admission.
It didn't let in anybody
but white people.
It said,
"To warrant an exemption,
an institution..."
And any agency that's looking to see
if something is a violation
of public policy star...
Should start with that definition.
Look, when the IRS granted
exemption to Scientology,
there was a five-year trial period
that was built into the settlement,
five years
Scientology had to keep showing
that they were in compliance
with the IRS regulations,
and there are a lot of things
in what was presented
to the IRS at that time
that have changed subsequent to 1998,
when any overview of Scientology ended,
and that to me is what the IRS
should be going back and looking at
and saying, "Wait a minute,
you told us this",
but that didn't turn out to be true".
I also want to read you something
that was sent to the IRS
in the course of seeking exemption.
This is what they said,
and this is a public record document
that was submitted to the IRS, saying,
"You should be giving
us tax-exempt status".
This, to me, encapsulates
the real story of this exemption.
This is the arrogance,
the assertion of "We will destroy you",
we will attack you".
Why would anybody put that in there?
Conflating the IRS trying to make sure
that a non-profit
organization's in fact
providing a public benefit
with the Holocaust and with Nazis
is just... is just disgusting.
Not only was the application
itself weird,
the granting of exemption came
subsequent to court rulings,
including from the
United States Supreme Court,
that said that the IRS
was absolutely correct
in denying Scientology exempt status
and denying the deductibility
of donations to Scientology.
"The court does not question
"the sincerity of the belief
of those who practice Scientology".
"Nor does the court hold..."
"Plainly it is. But..."
Okay, one more that I
just want to mention to you.
There was a decision that also went
to the United States Supreme Court
concerning these tapes
called the "Mission
Corporate Category Sort Out".
These tapes were recordings
of Scientology's lawyers
planning to construct a scheme
to avoid IRS taxation.
The way that these tapes
were described was...
Now, those tapes were turned over
based on this decision,
which was 1991,
again, two years before the exemption,
and the IRS had those tapes,
again ignored,
and effectively, that was all thrown out
and IRS just folded its tent and said,
"Okay, we'll give you exemption
in spite of the fact
that we have these".
I can't imagine what
the conversations were like,
because all the stuff was in the...
Was in the public record
and the IRS had a history of denying
the tax-exempt status for so long.
The IRS comes before
the Supreme Court and says,
"Here's... here are the facts,"
and they're... you know,
they're what you read,
and then to just
ignore that is... is just...
It's bewildering.
It is doing a disservice and injustice
to A, every taxpayer
in the United States,
but more importantly to the people
who suffer the abuse at
the hands of Scientology,
and this is another point
that the IRS exemption brings:
the lack of government oversight.
So Scientology never
has to answer up about
how much money has it spent
on private investigators,
how much money has gone
to lawyers to send letters
to people who appear on our show.
Religions get some autonomy
to believe different things,
but religions don't get the authority
to go outside of themselves
and impose harms,
and burdens, and harassment
on people who are just going
about their business.
Or building a mansion for L. Ron Hubbard
after he's dead.
A house. No, five houses.
He's got five houses constructed for him
around the world in
these CST properties.
Do you want to know why?
- He's coming back?
- Correct.
That's the kind of thing
that... that the...
The tax-exempt status analysis
is about, right?
And it's just a matter of convincing
the people who are in charge
of enforcing that
to at least take another look.
You've answered a question for me,
which is very simple,
which is it's not that it's...
We're going after calling them
a church, not a church,
that's our opinion, but that's fine,
we're just saying "You don't
deserve tax-exempt status,"
and I think that's very simple,
and I think that should
be achievable by the IRS,
and I think they should...
It's time for them to
do something about it.
From everything I've heard
and everything you've said,
I agree absolutely.
You're absolutely right,
you believe you are a church
and you are entitled
to believe what you want to believe.
You can believe in dogs,
you can believe in pineapples.
I mean, if you want
to pray to a pineapple,
you have every right to do it.
Being a religion does not guarantee
that you should receive
tax-exempt status.
Look, I understand that there are
some obstacles to what
the authorities can do,
but there has to be
something more you can do.
There has to be more education.
You have to look and want to look.
You can't say you
don't know what's going on.
You have to know what's going on.
This is what you do.
This is what you do for a living,
to protect and to serve.
I am Yulanda Williams,
and I am employed as a lieutenant
currently with
the San Francisco Police Department.
I've been a police officer for 28 years.
We have requested
to talk to any person
from law enforcement,
and all have declined.
I just want to say
everything that I say today
is my personal opinion,
based upon my experiences.
Right.
Which is very important.
You have experience.
Most people... who go
into law enforcement
don't have this experience.
Not only do they not have
the personal experience,
but it seems... and you
can correct me if I'm wrong...
They don't want to know about it,
because when I have tried to,
and Mike has tried to go in,
something happens, Yulanda,
like, where they
just stop listening to us.
Why can't we penetrate to teach?
Unfortunately, the cult situation
is something that I don't think
that there's any real
law enforcement training
to really know how to deal
with those types of situations
or those types of religious
organizations
that move in the direction
of cult-like treatment
and handling of their members.
Law enforcement responding
to these types of compounds
and religious organizations
need to recognize
people have been living
on these premises
for an extended period of time.
They're potentially brainwashed.
And even with me going
into law enforcement,
it took me 15 years to finally tell them
who I really was
and that I was a survivor from a cult,
and then when they found out,
they couldn't believe it.
Right. Right.
And so it's that ideology
that creates some of the problems
with how law enforcement
is able to best come in
and be equipped to deal with a cult
or something that's cult-like.
I want to talk to you about that.
I want to talk to you about why.
Why did it take you so long to tell them
that you're a survivor?
- It was fear.
- Yeah.
Fear of the fact that
when people speak of those
who have been involved in cults,
they think that there's
something wrong with you.
They automatically assume
that it's your fault.
It's like the battered wife syndrome.
It's... you know, it's
always the victim's fault.
They feel like if you were a fool enough
to go into a cult
and you got stuck there,
that's your fault, that's your problem,
and it's that undertone
that makes someone who
comes from out of a cult
be fearful to go public and say,
"Look, I've been there.
I know what it's like.
I've got first-hand
experience about it".
So I want to talk to you about the LAPD.
I filed a missing persons report
on the leader's wife
who hadn't been seen in public
for the time of ten years.
And I was writing letters to her,
not receiving responses, I wouldn't...
Couldn't get an answer.
Anyway, filed a police report.
Filed a police report with my friend
who was a detective at the LAPD.
He asked his captain if
he could take it himself.
The captain said,
"Send it to missing persons
and stay out of it".
Within, what, two days,
LAPD releases a statement
that my report was unfounded.
Then as it starts coming
out in the press,
I guess they got a little, like,
"Oh, we should say something
to this girl,"
so then they said,
"Well, we did make contact,
"and she is fine and doesn't want
to be spoken to,
doesn't want to be found".
Then I said, "Well, under
what circumstances
"did you see this person, supposedly?
"Was she alone?
"Did you see her physically
with your own eyes?
"Did you tell her that people
are trying to help her,
that she has a way out?
Did you tell her... "
"We don't have to do
any of that," they said.
It was never clear that they saw her,
and even if they saw her,
did you see her alone?
Was she with her handlers?
Was she under...
None of that information
could I receive.
You have to think about it.
Police officers who've never
been exposed to that...
They can't even fathom the idea
that someone would allow someone to have
that type of control and to that extent.
Most cults do not really consider
law enforcement to be their friends.
Most cults consider law enforcement
and anything that's associated
with the state
that's trying to conduct oversight
to be an archenemy.
Everything outside
of the world of the cult
- is evil, bad...
- True.
You know, everybody's got
different words for it,
but that includes government agencies,
that includes Child Protective Services,
that includes everybody,
because they're outsiders.
Did they give you a copy
of your missing persons report
- that you filed?
- No.
I called Lieutenant Dawson,
who was supposedly
in charge of this case,
even though he's not even
listed on the police report,
and he said he couldn't
give me any information.
Safe-pointing is a concept
that Hubbard came up with
of how you protect the organization
from outside trouble,
and it entails finding
the people in the community
who are the...
What he called "opinion leaders".
Like, you don't want the police,
or law enforcement, or anybody else...
The fire department or whatever...
Having a bad impression of you,
because they have influence
over your activities,
so you locate the people
within your community
that you need to have be your friends,
and you do whatever it takes
to make them friendly towards you,
and each person
that is in that community
that is a friendly person towards you
is a "safe point,"
and the more safe points
you have around your organization,
the less likely it is
that your operations
will suffer or be impeded
by the outside world
somehow making its way
inside the Scientology bubble.
I'm thinking about from
the measure of accountability,
transparency, and everything else
that when you tie yourselves
and align yourselves so much
with one organization, it
makes it very hard for you
to have a clear view
of what may be occurring,
and you might miss
some very important points.
Every time I talk to someone
who was involved
in another organization
similar to Scientology,
you go, "Oh, my God, this is...
Like, it's all the same stuff".
Here's what's so crazy to me.
How do the government agencies
and the police departments
not know that this is what's going on?
Again, my suggestion
after talking about this
at the length we have
is the police officer's
standards and training
to communicate with them directly
and urge them to start putting together
some type of training on cults.
How do you deal with them?
What are the underlying red flags
of a cult,
or that someone that might
be going through something
where they're being forced
to do something
that they, under normal circumstances,
- would not do?
- Right.
And I think it's incumbent upon us
to come up with those warning signs,
put the pen to paper on what they are.
- Agreed.
- Totally agreed.
Educating law enforcement
and government agencies,
and having people within them
that actually understand
what they are dealing with.
Any government agency, like
Child Protective Services...
Another great example...
If someone does come forward
and says, "Look, I was assaulted.
I was sexually molested,
I was whatever,"
as soon as law enforcement
informs Scientology
that there is a complainer,
there are 50 people who write affidavits
signed on the penalty of perjury saying,
- "This never happened".
- Absolutely.
"It's impossible. It
couldn't ever happen".
And then law enforcement
goes, "Okay, case closed".
And you go, "But, wait a minute,
do you know that
those people are lying?"
"Well, they are signed
under penalty of perjury".
It means nothing.
Because Scientology has a term
- called The Greatest Good.
- Yes, the... that's right.
- The Greatest Good is to lie...
- For the cause.
- For the cause.
- Yes.
Anything that brings outside agencies
inside the Scientology world to check
to make sure that Scientology
is doing the right thing
is seen as an attack,
so something as innocuous
as a welfare check
is seen as an attempt
to bring down Scientology.
If you're really doing
your thorough investigation,
why not have an investigator
just periodically
spot check the location?
Call a social worker and say,
"We would like for you
"as a mandated reporter of the state
"and a social worker to go with us.
We need to collaborate".
And again, training,
so that then, the officer
who's put in the situation
to have to take that hard stand that,
"No, I think something's going on here
and I need to come in
and see for myself,"
knows that they have the backings
of the state, training,
that what they're doing is
what they're supposed to do.
- Right.
- We're leaving others behind
while we just keep
walking around and saying,
"Oh, yeah, that's a
Scientology building.
"Nah, I'm not going in there.
Whoever's in there,
well, that's their problem.
I'm not dealing with it".
- We got to stop that.
- Right.
Thank you.
Thank you.
You're an amazing human being.
Had Scientology not obtained
tax-exempt status,
it wouldn't exist.
It could not have paid
that billion dollars in
assessments from the IRS.
It would have had to be liquidated.
The fact that it got tax-exempt status
has now allowed Scientology
in the subsequent 20-plus years
to accumulate enormous amounts of money
that it can use to do what it wishes.
The reason why an organization
is tax-exempt
is because they are supposedly providing
a service to the public.
That's why they have tax-exempt money,
'cause they're like,
"Oh, okay, we feed the poor,
"so that's why we need our money.
We're doing good things.
We're servicing the community".
What Scientology is doing
and has been doing
and will continue to do
is just use their tax-exempt money
to bully people into silence.
The authorities really need to go after
their tax-exempt status,
'cause that is really the thing
that will stop these abuses.
It will stop the pain.
It will stop the hurt.
It will stop the bullying,
the harassing,
the private eyes from going after people
who are simply speaking their truth.