Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath (2016–…): Season 3, Episode 10 - Episode #3.10 - full transcript
Leah and Mike travel to Clearwater, Florida, spiritual headquarters for the Church of Scientology. Speaking with some of the city's most prominent Scientology critics, they explore how the ...
In 1975, Clearwater, Florida
was chosen to be
the international headquarters
of Scientology.
The plan was to turn Clearwater
into the first Scientology city.
Slowly, it's coming out,
this town is being taken over.
They have chosen us to be
their spiritual headquarters
and they are going to buy up our town.
And anybody who spoke out against that
was going to be neutralized.
And these orders, very clearly,
stated, "Find out who your
enemies are. Destroy 'em".
The orders, in effect,
were occupation orders.
What's really interesting
is that it is the only city
that actually had hearings.
The city of Clearwater
was fighting back.
We can't deal with
this mafia-like organization
in our small town.
It was a continuing
fraudulent enterprise.
It still is to this day,
as far as I'm concerned.
You had people willing
to stand up and fight
and they were fighting.
The city then tried
to enact an ordinance
designed to get Scientology
out of Clearwater.
Unfortunately, Clearwater lost.
We would start hearing about
additional properties
that they were buying,
and they stated cherry-picking
the areas
so they could control, you
know, the... the entire area.
Today, Scientology has
almost achieved its objective
of complete subjugation
of downtown Clearwater
of taking over vast tracts of the city
and turning it into the first
Scientology city on Earth.
I am the writer of the textbooks
of Scientology.
The aim and goal is to
put man in a mental condition,
where he, him, can solve
his own problems.
Without any Scientology organization,
things are not gonna
change on this planet.
After years of slowly
questioning Scientology...
Leah Remini and her very public break
with Scientology...
Scientology, what they do.
Trying to destroy people,
trying to destroy their
families when they leave,
they create a lot of people
who are willing to fight against them.
Scientology takes tax-free dollars,
and ruins people's lives.
This is not the life
that I want to live.
I wanted to end my life.
Some people, it takes a year.
Some people, it takes ten years
of just peeling that onion
of how you were manipulated
and made to think.
This season, we
really needed to focus on
the reason why Scientology is able
to do the things that they do
is because they have tax-exempt status.
The people who have bravely come on
and told their stories
have not told those stories in vain.
They are having an impact.
We're presenting our case to the world,
to the FBI, to the IRS.
The most important thing
that has to be done
is the persistent telling of the truth,
and that's what you're doing.
You have to continue to fight.
You have to continue
to fight for what's right.
You've heard the history
of how Scientology got to Clearwater
but what's really interesting
is that it is the only city
that actually had hearings
to deal with the problem of Scientology.
Then the city, unfortunately,
overreached
and lost...
To Scientology.
And that was kind of the
end of this battle.
That all changed in 1995
with the death of Lisa McPherson.
We've always wanted
to tell this story, Mark,
'cause I was just so
always touched by what
you and Bob Minton had started
with the death of Lisa McPherson, and...
you know that I've been
hounding you for years.
Like, how do we tell her story?
I'm so emotional today.
Yeah.
Sorry.
I was crying on the way here.
- I know.
- Yeah, it's...
Yeah, yeah, you've shed
a couple of tears too.
Yeah.
But I'm glad that
we're finally telling it.
You know, originally we...
You know, we got so many messages
on social media about
covering Clearwater
as a... you know, "Hey
they're taking over our town,"
and there's long history, but
it's turned into something else
which I'm very thankful for
that we are able to kind of
stop and tell Lisa's story.
Lisa McPherson was
a devout Scientologist
for 15 years.
She had been recently
reconnecting with old friends
and saying that she had doubts
and she was thinking
about coming back home,
and shortly after that, she
got into a minor fender bender
in downtown Clearwater.
And by the time the
police came and the ambulance,
she had stripped off
of all of her clothes
and was walking down the street naked,
and a paramedic came up to her and said,
"Why are you doing this?"
And she said, "Because I need somebody
"to pay attention to me.
I need help".
So they took her over to the
nearby Morton Plant Hospital
and they checked her in there.
Within an hour,
ten Scientologists came to the hospital
and talked her into leaving
and going back with them,
against the doctor's wishes.
They had to release her
and then Scientology took her
back to the Fort Harrison Hotel
in locked her in a room for 17 days.
On Scientology's introspection rundown,
where if somebody's having
a psychotic break,
you don't talk to them,
you don't respond if they're
talking to you,
there's all these rules.
Unfortunately, Scientology's
rules also don't include
having anybody trained to deal
with someone in Lisa's state.
They literally grabbed anybody
that could be spared.
They had no training,
they had no idea whatsoever
what they were doing
and had no ability to effectively
deal with someone in her state.
Every day, the caretakers
would take logs
and you can see in the logs
that her condition is
getting worse and worse
and worse every day.
The last three days of her life,
those records were destroyed
by Scientology.
Marty Rathbun confessed to that.
He ordered them destroyed.
Well, hang on.
David Miscavige ordered those
documents to be destroyed
through Marty Rathbun who, in fact,
admitted to destroying them.
Yes.
You ordered those days
of logs to be destroyed.
- Right.
- All right,
could you explain, you
know, why you did that?
To protect the organization.
One of them was talking about
the witness in the case
pleading with the doctor,
who was on staff,
to get Lisa to a doctor.
That was like a
smoking gun incriminating
in terms of people knowing
that she was in a deteriorated
physical condition.
As a Scientologist at the time,
I never even heard of Lisa McPherson
or her death.
Scientology is so
genius at having parishioners
not look at the news,
not read newspapers.
This was a huge story.
And then... when they came
down with the actual charges,
when our medical examiner... Joan Wood,
came up and... and found
out that the cause of death
was... was... not natural,
it was not an accident,
but it was criminal in nature,
then Scientology once
again showed its power,
showed its... capabilities so to speak,
and they went after Joan Wood.
The fact that Scientology
was charged with
criminal neglect in
the death of Lisa McPherson
was of enormous concern
to David Miscavige
because it was the biggest threat
to the tax-exempt status
of Scientology.
You cannot be engaged
in illegal activities.
Miscavige spared no expense
to challenge the findings of Joan Wood.
We, Scientology...
Hired the foremost criminal
pathologist in the world,
three of them who came
and lived in Clearwater...
I mean, these were the guys
that had just finished
the O.J. Simpson trial...
To find credible explanations
that would place the findings
of Joan Wood in doubt.
And they went after Joan Wood
and... with a vengeance...
And... and took her down,
and ultimately she changed
the autopsy to cause of death
as being an accident
and that gutted the state attorneys'...
- The prosecution?
- Yeah, the prosecution,
state attorneys'... case
and they had to drop the charges.
It was money to hire people
who have great influence.
It was David Miscavige
personally contacting Joan Wood's lawyer
to persuade Joan Wood
that she had no choice
but to change her testimony
based on the information
that was coming forward
from these medical examiners.
This was a major catastrophe
in the Scientology world.
It threatened to expose
Miscavige's involvement
in Lisa McPherson's life.
Scientology literally spent
millions and millions.
No expense was to be spared
because David Miscavige's ass
was on the line.
There was also a civil
case that was funded by
soon-to-become
my boss, Bob Minton,
who was a retired
international investment banker,
and he started looking back
into this in 1995,
and the more Bob started
looking into it,
meeting former members,
he decided he wanted to help.
And one of the things he did was,
in 2000, he opened up an office
right next to Scientology's
Office of Special Affairs
in the bank building,
and he gathered a few of us
to stand up to Scientology
because the city wasn't.
They had made peace with them.
The Lisa McPherson Trust
was both... an insult
and a threat in the mind
of David Miscavige
and in my mind and everybody else
who was in the
Office of Special Affairs.
That this avowed financier
of anti-Scientology activities
had moved into town
and set up an office
right next door to Scientology?
This was... seen as
a... A massive failure
that he had been able to do that.
This space now belongs to
the Lisa McPherson Trust
and we are going to change
the face of Scientology
and Clearwater forever.
Scientology doesn't respond
to slaps in the face
by turning the other cheek.
The full force of L. Ron
Hubbard's philosophy
of attack the attacker
and destroy your enemies
was brought to bear on Bob Minton
and the Lisa McPherson Trust,
and I know because I did it.
So Scientology has been...
harassing and...
attempting to silence people for decades
and now the Lisa McPherson
Trust comes into town.
People were saying,
"An injustice is happening.
We're gonna stand up
for Lisa McPherson".
And, of course, Scientology says,
"That's not okay.
Attack".
And that's exactly what they did.
Here's this wonderful man, Bob Minton,
creates a trust,
gets good people like you,
and you guys are just doing this
'cause it's the right thing to do.
- Right.
- And you set up shop
in Scientology territory,
which also takes some balls,
and they are sending
Scientologists there
to harass you guys.
That footage is so creepy,
Mark, that I saw.
We quickly recognized what a problem
the Lisa McPherson Trust was.
Miscavige believed that
the Lisa McPherson Trust
were there to be in his face,
so he wanted Scientologists
to be back in their face
and make their life uncomfortable.
It got... kind of got ratcheted
up when Bob Minton came and...
And then decided to have
an organized protest.
Go in front of the Fort Harrison,
on the sidewalk, hold
the signs like you see,
and what happened
next was... chaos in a way.
Somebody came up to him
and stuck their camera
right in his face,
and Bob pushed it away.
It had hit the guy in the
head and, of course,
with great dramatic flair,
he went to the ground
and...
Scientologists all went around him
and stood there in silence
and the police were called
and... Bob was arrested.
- For assault?
- He was arrested for battery
on this... on this... On this fella.
We went to court over it
and explained why he was set up
and to do that, we had
to explain Scientology,
fair game, and what it was,
and that became discussed in the trial.
When the case was over,
he was acquitted.
It's just remarkable
the lengths that Scientology
will go to.
You talk about the chaos.
There was one night that was really bad,
which we called The Mad Picket.
If you look at the full video,
which I've put out raw
and unedited on YouTube,
you can see it starts off quietly
outside the... Fort Harrison Hotel
and after about five minutes of that,
down the street comes
the O.T. committee.
Loser! McDonald's workers!
You guys are losers!
That was sad and pathetic.
You should go back to your Nazi friends.
Move along, move along, move along.
Cult member.
- Chop chop! Chop chop!
- Move.
Come on, Mark!
So, we're there quietly protesting
and then Scientology comes
to get in our face, literally,
trying to provoke us
and they had orders to do this.
I caught them on tape.
Like, one guy shoved Bob
Minton, I believe it was.
Watch out! Hey, hey. hey!
- Hold...
- Who's that?
And another Scientologist
came up to him and said,
"Let them come to you".
So they wanted to provoke us
so that so that we would
do something against them
and have us arrested.
- Sure, sure.
- That's their whole goal.
The problems that we're
having with the pro... protesting
got so out of
hand... that the... the police
and the politicians and all that said,
"This has got to stop".
And so there was an injunction filed
by the church against the
people that were protesting
and we had long hearings
in... in front of a... a...
A circuit court judge in Clearwater
where he took testimony about
what they were doing,
whether they were violent,
and so on and so forth.
And... the judge ultimately
issued the injunction.
And unfortunately,
my... my comrade here is named
in one of the injunctions
to stay away from... anybody that's...
I think it says that's a Scientologist.
- Yeah.
- And you live in Clearwater!
Well, wait a minute,
how do you know you're a...
They don't go around with a T-shirt...
- Right, right.
- Saying "I'm a Scientologist".
But he supposedly has to be clairvoyant
and find out that he has
to stay a certain number
of feet not only away
from Scientologists,
but away from any buildings
that were named in the injunction.
It was a one-sided debacle that was...
really a sad... a
sad time for Clearwater.
We hit upon the idea of hiring off-duty
Clearwater police department officers
to guard the building
to protect against
the Lisa McPherson Trust.
This had the effect
of turning many
Clearwater police officers
into de facto employees of Scientology.
They were schmoozed
in order to make them
more favorable toward us
and less favorable towards
the Lisa McPherson Trust,
who were positioned always
as troublemakers
who had been imported from out of town
to come and cause trouble in
beautiful downtown Clearwater.
Today, many in the
Clearwater Police Department
work for Scientology on their days off,
and they're supposed
to report of Mike Rinder,
the head of the Office
of Special Affairs.
The Clearwater Police watch
as the O.S.A. agents
videotape our every move.
Scientology PIs follow us everywhere.
The police had just
stood by while these protestors
have been assaulted by Scientologists.
The police had been absolutely
unwilling to do anything
to protect the protestors.
The day that injunction
was put into effect by the judge,
he was out on the street using
it trying to get us arrested.
I've got tape of the police officer...
You saying to the officer,
"Look, they're named here!
They're named!"
That was another life. Leave him alone.
Well, Mike... Mike is fully aware
that we're going to find that stuff
and we're going to air it. Sorry, Mike.
- Oh, Mike!
- We're gonna find that stuff.
So it appears as if they've
called the Clearwater police
to complain of the... prior
peaceful picketing activity.
I'm concerned that Mike Rinder
wants to stop peaceful picketing
under the guise of legal process.
Mike Rinder is the chief
of their dirty tricks department
and there is nothing
he wouldn't do or say
to try to keep this... criminal
at the helm of Scientology,
David Miscavige, in power
because Mike Rinder's power
comes from David Miscavige.
Have you been served
with one of these injunctions
- as an agent of his?
- No.
You were in court, Stacy,
when that was issued.
You were test... You were
sitting right there.
Because you're saying that
you're... you're not on notice.
Or you're trying to say
you're not on notice.
This was just a tactic
to try to stop protests.
You're not allowed to protest?
Well, that's the entire injunction.
That injunction, issued in 1999,
even though the Lisa McPherson Trust
ceased to exist in 2001,
Scientology still drags this thing out
at every opportunity.
They put a red cover on it,
they make it look all official,
they hand it to the cops and they say,
"Here, we got an injunction
against this guy.
He's just a troublemaker!"
In 1999, like 20 years ago?
It's absurd, but the
theater of the absurd
is the theater of Scientology.
Scientology realized, like,
"Oh, Mark can't be within
ten feet of us".
So then they started staging
Scientologists every ten feet
so that you couldn't even
walk down the street.
Yeah, I... I went to one event
across from the Ford Harrison Hotel.
- Yeah.
- And there's a woman
talking with a police officer
and they were talking toward me
and she... saw me coming
and she shouted,
"Ten feet!"
And I had to stop...
and the police told me that I
could not walk down the street
as long as she was there.
I said, "Well, can I walk out
around the cars in the street?"
"No, that'd be breaking the law".
- Wow!
- That's crazy, that's insane.
The next event where
David Miscavige was speaking
downtown at a... opening ceremony
for one of their new buildings,
I arrived and they stationed
Scientologists every ten feet
around two blocks around the event.
Precisely ten feet,
and she was waiting as I approached
with two police officers.
They tried to get Mark
kicked out of his condo
because his next door neighbor
was a Scientologist.
I got a knock on the
door from my neighbor.
Very excited to meet me
and very chipper and happy
and "Hi, come on in..."
"come on over to my place!
"You need some furniture?
You want a chair?
"How 'bout a table," you know?
And we sat and talked
for about 15, 20 minutes
and she was very up and very positive
and then... I
noticed she had a big bookcase
full of L. Ron Hubbard
Scientology stuff.
She would, again, was trying
to force furniture on me
and I said, "Well, that's...
That's very kind of you"
"but I think you
should know that I am an SP
"and I've been making a documentary
"about the Church of Scientology and
"I just wanted to be upfront about that
and I hope we can still be friends".
How'd that go?
Her face just went to a glower.
"In that case, I'm going
to have to ask you to leave".
I said, "Well, I... I... I think
still think we can talk..."
"Leave now".
And then the next day,
the condo association
were getting threatening letters
from Scientology attorneys
saying I had to be evicted
because I was ten feet away
from this Scientologist
and breaking the injunction.
And the condo association
thankfully said,
"No, we ran a check
on this guy. He's fine".
- Wow.
- And they didn't like
Scientology trying to pressure them,
- so they... they...
- They stood up for you.
You know, they stood with me.
So it... it's... it's just nuts.
Nuts.
Talking about the... The injunctions
and all of the hoo-ha around
the Lisa McPherson Trust,
the real issue is
what got done, ultimately,
to destroy it.
Which was not the injunctions
and not the people in their faces
and that sort of stuff,
but the investigation and the harassment
that was conducted against Bob Minton.
And I am extremely familiar
with this because I ran it.
If ever there was a critic
of Scientology,
it was Bob Minton
and, I promise you,
no expense was spared
when it came to hiring
private investigators,
hiring people around the world
to investigate Bob and
his finances in particular.
It was his money that
we were interested in.
We knew that Minton had made
a considerable amount of money
selling Nigerian bonds.
So Dave Lubow went to London
and managed to persuade
the Nigerian government
that Bob Minton and the
people he had worked with
had scammed them out of tens
of millions of dollars.
And the Nigerian government
officially requested a prosecutor
in Switzerland to open an investigation
and to freeze Bob Minton's funds
in his Swiss bank accounts.
And he had no money.
He didn't have any money
to pay his bills,
and that was the real pressure
that was put on him.
Now why are you getting emotional?
'Cause you're making me emotional.
Bob was my hero.
He was a flawed man
but he was a good man.
- Yeah.
- And he really cared
and was really trying
to make a difference.
Yeah.
And he helped a lot of people.
It was not a... a pretty ending.
I saw the pressure on him.
Every day I would...
I would walk into his house
and wonder, is this the day
that Bob's gonna shoot himself?
And it was horrific,
and Stacy went through that too.
They were trying to get Bob out of this
and one of the things they did...
was try to sit down with Scientology
and work out some sort of ceasefire.
I believe they...
were you at those meetings?
- Absolutely.
- Yeah.
And... and from my understanding...
Thank you.
From my understanding, Bob and Stacy
wanted to go in there and just say,
"Okay, we'll...
we'll stop all the lawsuits.
We just wanna get out of this
because it's too hard".
And at the first meeting,
my understanding is
you said, "Not only are... are
you not getting out of this"
but here's a $10 million lawsuit".
And, I was told, a detailed
$30 million RICO case
that you were preparing against Bob
and they came home from
that just shell-shocked.
Bob called me and asked
me if I would be willing
to meet with he and Stacy alone.
I said yes.
Miscavige insisted that Monique Yingling
go with me and we met at
the Johnson Pope law offices.
He eventually just went, "I want out.
If you can get my money
freed up, I'm out of here".
And that was sort of the sad end of Bob
as a crusader against Scientology.
He was effectively terminated
as an attacker,
which is the objective of the
Office of Special Affairs.
- He was neutralized.
- Neutralized.
It is something that haunted me
for a long, long time.
Stacy and Bob called me
when he was in Zurich
going to get his money
and he was suicidal
and he was threatening
to jump out the window
of his hotel room
and Stacy called me to help,
to get me to talk to Bob
and I ended up talking to him
for, like, two hours on the phone
and... and talking him
out of committing suicide.
And I was still in the Office
of Special Affairs
- at that time.
- Right.
And I ultimately had a lot
of conversations with him
and Stacy and I was going
to go visit them in Ireland
when he moved to Ireland,
but he was still so scared,
he said, "Please don't come".
"I'm afraid that if you come,
the PIs are all gonna come again,"
and he couldn't take it.
And then he died.
And I never got to see him,
to have the... the real personal
one-on-one conversation.
What I directed to be
done against Bob Minton
and what I did to Bob Minton
has haunted me for a long time,
and I am sorry for what
I did to destroy him
or to seek to destroy him.
This story of Lisa McPherson
really touched him
and it's what motivated him.
He was not motivated by money.
He wasn't even motivated by
a hatred of Scientology,
and you know the way that I know that?
He was willing to have me as a friend
even when I was still in Scientology.
But you got to finally say
you were sorry to him?
Oh, absolutely, and to Stacy.
I mean, to this day, Stacy is...
I consider a good friend.
- Yeah.
- And the only reason
- that she is not on this show...
- Yeah.
Because she desperately wants to be...
Is because of the settlement
agreement that I did with her
that prevents her from talking.
Non-disclosure.
One thing I didn't realize
was that he had no connection
at all to Scientology
or Clearwater or no relatives.
He just came down to
make our city better.
That's what's so insane,
is that they talk about
freedom of speech
and freedom of religion,
but they attack and destroy
those who are...
- Exercising?
- Speaking.
Yeah, exercising freedom of speech.
Exercising that right.
Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
I hope that the...
the memory of Bob is as it should be.
That people understand
that he was doing something
that was selfless
and I, you know, I genuinely
have great, great sorrow
about what happened.
The only... the only mitigating
factor is the fact
that I was able to...
to speak with him and Stacy
afterwards and kind of
make peace with them,
but that's not made
peace with the world,
so I hope that to some extent
this will accomplish that.
Yeah.
- Sorry.
- It's okay.
This is going to mean the world to her.
Thank you.
Mark Bunker, when he
walks down the street,
suddenly, the Clearwater Police
Department appear in force
because Scientology calls them and says,
"We have an injunction!
We've got a trespasser,"
and they are there in a flash
even though that injunction
is 20 years old.
So tell me the history of this park.
It was built for the purpose of what?
- This used to be...
- I mean, it's lovely.
I'm not... I'm not...
I'm not begrudging them.
This for the longest time was
a drive-through Checkers...
Drive-through.
Oh, that's right.
And Miscavige... His office used to be
up in that corner.
And he hated this being here.
- It attracted people to...
- His area.
- His environment.
- I...
And this was his little zone over here.
So... like they bought
this park. They bought that one.
That parking lot, this parking lot.
Then when this became available,
they bought this
and they didn't have anything
to do here with it,
so they just made it a park.
It gets used one time a year now
for Winter Wonderland.
There's nowhere that you can go
to even take a photo of someone.
Right.
These cops don't know what to do.
They brought them the injunction.
Of course.
And does the injunction say
that he can't be at a park?
Nope, nope.
Here's another one.
Here you go, Scientology
using the resources...
They've called the Sergeant in.
- Somebody in the car.
- Yeah.
That's probably the O.S.A. people.
Sorry, they just took pictures of us.
Oh, here's another one.
Now there's four now.
Yup, there you go.
This is a big crime.
I don't really get this shit, Mike.
Am I overreacting to this?
Not at all.
This is why we're doing
a show about Clearwater.
When it comes to Scientology,
this is insanity HQ.
Well, I'm sitting my ass here
until these cops leave.
So it's gonna be a long night.
Thank you!
Thank you!
What are you... what... What's up?
We're sitting here.
We're sitting here at a park.
Okay.
We're sitting here talking
and Scientology, of course,
doesn't want us sitting here talking.
So.
What are... what shall you report back?
Hi, O.S.A.!
You... you know that injunction
isn't applicable to him here.
I'll... I'll explain it to you.
They're the complainant,
you guys are the subjects,
we're just here to get this
whole thing sorted out.
That injunction was
gotten actually by me
when I was in the Church
against him and 13 other people
that used to work for
the Lisa McPherson Trust,
and it requires that
he and those other people
not protest in front
of the Fort Harrison
or the flag building
and a few other places.
That's what that injunction says.
This isn't any of those locations
and he's not, as far as we know...
- Hi!
- Hi.
- Oh, my gosh. Yeah.
- We appreciate it.
- Thank you.
- Hold on. Juno, come on!
As we're standing there
with the Clearwater Police Department,
we have people who are
filming us from Scientology,
but also we have
people who are screaming,
"We love you, Leah and Mike!
"Keep going!" You know,
"Can we take pictures with you?"
Like... and it's just a...
such a weird dicho...
It's just so weird.
It's like, what world are we living in?
So this is my normal life here.
Mark, you poor baby.
I didn't do anything.
Okay, here comes the boss.
Hi folks, I'm Corporal Wassmer.
- How are you?
- Good, how are you?
Hey, man.
No one has.
This is their
private property right here?
- Yeah, the park and...
- So we can use the benches?
We're gonna stand there. Is that okay?
Let's see if they... if
they have a problem with us
standing here.
I am.
I don't think this is part
of the injunction though.
They didn't even own this building
when this injunction was done.
That why we all just...
There's nothing wrong
with us being here.
Well, and that's why we wanted
to document it too.
Okay.
- Bring 'em on, bring 'em on.
- Please do.
We will stand on this public street.
We will wait here for...
- For her happily.
- We would really love it.
It's ostensibly a public park,
and they even have a big
sign which lays out
that everybody is welcome
to come in here.
It has a little line
at the end that says
and we reserve the right
to remove anybody
should they be harassing people
or something like that.
The truth of the matter is that
this is Scientology property
and if they don't like you,
they will call the police
to get you thrown out.
This injunction is almost 20 years old.
They will never give up.
A whole ruckus is being caused
because Mark Bunker is sitting
in an empty park.
Still going on today...
Using the Clearwater Police Department
for these criminals sitting in a park.
This is what the IRS
should be looking at.
These fake buildings
that have nobody in them.
- Right.
- What is this?
- This was the L.M.T.
- This is it.
- Oh, this was it!
- This is where the L.M.T. was.
My office was in the back
half of that space there.
It's been heartbreaking
to walk through this adorable community
and see nothing but empty
Scientology buildings.
What a waste of a cute town.
If you look at the big
view of Clearwater,
it is the perfect microcosm
of whether Scientology,
in fact, provides a public
benefit or not.
was chosen to be
the international headquarters
of Scientology.
The plan was to turn Clearwater
into the first Scientology city.
Slowly, it's coming out,
this town is being taken over.
They have chosen us to be
their spiritual headquarters
and they are going to buy up our town.
And anybody who spoke out against that
was going to be neutralized.
And these orders, very clearly,
stated, "Find out who your
enemies are. Destroy 'em".
The orders, in effect,
were occupation orders.
What's really interesting
is that it is the only city
that actually had hearings.
The city of Clearwater
was fighting back.
We can't deal with
this mafia-like organization
in our small town.
It was a continuing
fraudulent enterprise.
It still is to this day,
as far as I'm concerned.
You had people willing
to stand up and fight
and they were fighting.
The city then tried
to enact an ordinance
designed to get Scientology
out of Clearwater.
Unfortunately, Clearwater lost.
We would start hearing about
additional properties
that they were buying,
and they stated cherry-picking
the areas
so they could control, you
know, the... the entire area.
Today, Scientology has
almost achieved its objective
of complete subjugation
of downtown Clearwater
of taking over vast tracts of the city
and turning it into the first
Scientology city on Earth.
I am the writer of the textbooks
of Scientology.
The aim and goal is to
put man in a mental condition,
where he, him, can solve
his own problems.
Without any Scientology organization,
things are not gonna
change on this planet.
After years of slowly
questioning Scientology...
Leah Remini and her very public break
with Scientology...
Scientology, what they do.
Trying to destroy people,
trying to destroy their
families when they leave,
they create a lot of people
who are willing to fight against them.
Scientology takes tax-free dollars,
and ruins people's lives.
This is not the life
that I want to live.
I wanted to end my life.
Some people, it takes a year.
Some people, it takes ten years
of just peeling that onion
of how you were manipulated
and made to think.
This season, we
really needed to focus on
the reason why Scientology is able
to do the things that they do
is because they have tax-exempt status.
The people who have bravely come on
and told their stories
have not told those stories in vain.
They are having an impact.
We're presenting our case to the world,
to the FBI, to the IRS.
The most important thing
that has to be done
is the persistent telling of the truth,
and that's what you're doing.
You have to continue to fight.
You have to continue
to fight for what's right.
You've heard the history
of how Scientology got to Clearwater
but what's really interesting
is that it is the only city
that actually had hearings
to deal with the problem of Scientology.
Then the city, unfortunately,
overreached
and lost...
To Scientology.
And that was kind of the
end of this battle.
That all changed in 1995
with the death of Lisa McPherson.
We've always wanted
to tell this story, Mark,
'cause I was just so
always touched by what
you and Bob Minton had started
with the death of Lisa McPherson, and...
you know that I've been
hounding you for years.
Like, how do we tell her story?
I'm so emotional today.
Yeah.
Sorry.
I was crying on the way here.
- I know.
- Yeah, it's...
Yeah, yeah, you've shed
a couple of tears too.
Yeah.
But I'm glad that
we're finally telling it.
You know, originally we...
You know, we got so many messages
on social media about
covering Clearwater
as a... you know, "Hey
they're taking over our town,"
and there's long history, but
it's turned into something else
which I'm very thankful for
that we are able to kind of
stop and tell Lisa's story.
Lisa McPherson was
a devout Scientologist
for 15 years.
She had been recently
reconnecting with old friends
and saying that she had doubts
and she was thinking
about coming back home,
and shortly after that, she
got into a minor fender bender
in downtown Clearwater.
And by the time the
police came and the ambulance,
she had stripped off
of all of her clothes
and was walking down the street naked,
and a paramedic came up to her and said,
"Why are you doing this?"
And she said, "Because I need somebody
"to pay attention to me.
I need help".
So they took her over to the
nearby Morton Plant Hospital
and they checked her in there.
Within an hour,
ten Scientologists came to the hospital
and talked her into leaving
and going back with them,
against the doctor's wishes.
They had to release her
and then Scientology took her
back to the Fort Harrison Hotel
in locked her in a room for 17 days.
On Scientology's introspection rundown,
where if somebody's having
a psychotic break,
you don't talk to them,
you don't respond if they're
talking to you,
there's all these rules.
Unfortunately, Scientology's
rules also don't include
having anybody trained to deal
with someone in Lisa's state.
They literally grabbed anybody
that could be spared.
They had no training,
they had no idea whatsoever
what they were doing
and had no ability to effectively
deal with someone in her state.
Every day, the caretakers
would take logs
and you can see in the logs
that her condition is
getting worse and worse
and worse every day.
The last three days of her life,
those records were destroyed
by Scientology.
Marty Rathbun confessed to that.
He ordered them destroyed.
Well, hang on.
David Miscavige ordered those
documents to be destroyed
through Marty Rathbun who, in fact,
admitted to destroying them.
Yes.
You ordered those days
of logs to be destroyed.
- Right.
- All right,
could you explain, you
know, why you did that?
To protect the organization.
One of them was talking about
the witness in the case
pleading with the doctor,
who was on staff,
to get Lisa to a doctor.
That was like a
smoking gun incriminating
in terms of people knowing
that she was in a deteriorated
physical condition.
As a Scientologist at the time,
I never even heard of Lisa McPherson
or her death.
Scientology is so
genius at having parishioners
not look at the news,
not read newspapers.
This was a huge story.
And then... when they came
down with the actual charges,
when our medical examiner... Joan Wood,
came up and... and found
out that the cause of death
was... was... not natural,
it was not an accident,
but it was criminal in nature,
then Scientology once
again showed its power,
showed its... capabilities so to speak,
and they went after Joan Wood.
The fact that Scientology
was charged with
criminal neglect in
the death of Lisa McPherson
was of enormous concern
to David Miscavige
because it was the biggest threat
to the tax-exempt status
of Scientology.
You cannot be engaged
in illegal activities.
Miscavige spared no expense
to challenge the findings of Joan Wood.
We, Scientology...
Hired the foremost criminal
pathologist in the world,
three of them who came
and lived in Clearwater...
I mean, these were the guys
that had just finished
the O.J. Simpson trial...
To find credible explanations
that would place the findings
of Joan Wood in doubt.
And they went after Joan Wood
and... with a vengeance...
And... and took her down,
and ultimately she changed
the autopsy to cause of death
as being an accident
and that gutted the state attorneys'...
- The prosecution?
- Yeah, the prosecution,
state attorneys'... case
and they had to drop the charges.
It was money to hire people
who have great influence.
It was David Miscavige
personally contacting Joan Wood's lawyer
to persuade Joan Wood
that she had no choice
but to change her testimony
based on the information
that was coming forward
from these medical examiners.
This was a major catastrophe
in the Scientology world.
It threatened to expose
Miscavige's involvement
in Lisa McPherson's life.
Scientology literally spent
millions and millions.
No expense was to be spared
because David Miscavige's ass
was on the line.
There was also a civil
case that was funded by
soon-to-become
my boss, Bob Minton,
who was a retired
international investment banker,
and he started looking back
into this in 1995,
and the more Bob started
looking into it,
meeting former members,
he decided he wanted to help.
And one of the things he did was,
in 2000, he opened up an office
right next to Scientology's
Office of Special Affairs
in the bank building,
and he gathered a few of us
to stand up to Scientology
because the city wasn't.
They had made peace with them.
The Lisa McPherson Trust
was both... an insult
and a threat in the mind
of David Miscavige
and in my mind and everybody else
who was in the
Office of Special Affairs.
That this avowed financier
of anti-Scientology activities
had moved into town
and set up an office
right next door to Scientology?
This was... seen as
a... A massive failure
that he had been able to do that.
This space now belongs to
the Lisa McPherson Trust
and we are going to change
the face of Scientology
and Clearwater forever.
Scientology doesn't respond
to slaps in the face
by turning the other cheek.
The full force of L. Ron
Hubbard's philosophy
of attack the attacker
and destroy your enemies
was brought to bear on Bob Minton
and the Lisa McPherson Trust,
and I know because I did it.
So Scientology has been...
harassing and...
attempting to silence people for decades
and now the Lisa McPherson
Trust comes into town.
People were saying,
"An injustice is happening.
We're gonna stand up
for Lisa McPherson".
And, of course, Scientology says,
"That's not okay.
Attack".
And that's exactly what they did.
Here's this wonderful man, Bob Minton,
creates a trust,
gets good people like you,
and you guys are just doing this
'cause it's the right thing to do.
- Right.
- And you set up shop
in Scientology territory,
which also takes some balls,
and they are sending
Scientologists there
to harass you guys.
That footage is so creepy,
Mark, that I saw.
We quickly recognized what a problem
the Lisa McPherson Trust was.
Miscavige believed that
the Lisa McPherson Trust
were there to be in his face,
so he wanted Scientologists
to be back in their face
and make their life uncomfortable.
It got... kind of got ratcheted
up when Bob Minton came and...
And then decided to have
an organized protest.
Go in front of the Fort Harrison,
on the sidewalk, hold
the signs like you see,
and what happened
next was... chaos in a way.
Somebody came up to him
and stuck their camera
right in his face,
and Bob pushed it away.
It had hit the guy in the
head and, of course,
with great dramatic flair,
he went to the ground
and...
Scientologists all went around him
and stood there in silence
and the police were called
and... Bob was arrested.
- For assault?
- He was arrested for battery
on this... on this... On this fella.
We went to court over it
and explained why he was set up
and to do that, we had
to explain Scientology,
fair game, and what it was,
and that became discussed in the trial.
When the case was over,
he was acquitted.
It's just remarkable
the lengths that Scientology
will go to.
You talk about the chaos.
There was one night that was really bad,
which we called The Mad Picket.
If you look at the full video,
which I've put out raw
and unedited on YouTube,
you can see it starts off quietly
outside the... Fort Harrison Hotel
and after about five minutes of that,
down the street comes
the O.T. committee.
Loser! McDonald's workers!
You guys are losers!
That was sad and pathetic.
You should go back to your Nazi friends.
Move along, move along, move along.
Cult member.
- Chop chop! Chop chop!
- Move.
Come on, Mark!
So, we're there quietly protesting
and then Scientology comes
to get in our face, literally,
trying to provoke us
and they had orders to do this.
I caught them on tape.
Like, one guy shoved Bob
Minton, I believe it was.
Watch out! Hey, hey. hey!
- Hold...
- Who's that?
And another Scientologist
came up to him and said,
"Let them come to you".
So they wanted to provoke us
so that so that we would
do something against them
and have us arrested.
- Sure, sure.
- That's their whole goal.
The problems that we're
having with the pro... protesting
got so out of
hand... that the... the police
and the politicians and all that said,
"This has got to stop".
And so there was an injunction filed
by the church against the
people that were protesting
and we had long hearings
in... in front of a... a...
A circuit court judge in Clearwater
where he took testimony about
what they were doing,
whether they were violent,
and so on and so forth.
And... the judge ultimately
issued the injunction.
And unfortunately,
my... my comrade here is named
in one of the injunctions
to stay away from... anybody that's...
I think it says that's a Scientologist.
- Yeah.
- And you live in Clearwater!
Well, wait a minute,
how do you know you're a...
They don't go around with a T-shirt...
- Right, right.
- Saying "I'm a Scientologist".
But he supposedly has to be clairvoyant
and find out that he has
to stay a certain number
of feet not only away
from Scientologists,
but away from any buildings
that were named in the injunction.
It was a one-sided debacle that was...
really a sad... a
sad time for Clearwater.
We hit upon the idea of hiring off-duty
Clearwater police department officers
to guard the building
to protect against
the Lisa McPherson Trust.
This had the effect
of turning many
Clearwater police officers
into de facto employees of Scientology.
They were schmoozed
in order to make them
more favorable toward us
and less favorable towards
the Lisa McPherson Trust,
who were positioned always
as troublemakers
who had been imported from out of town
to come and cause trouble in
beautiful downtown Clearwater.
Today, many in the
Clearwater Police Department
work for Scientology on their days off,
and they're supposed
to report of Mike Rinder,
the head of the Office
of Special Affairs.
The Clearwater Police watch
as the O.S.A. agents
videotape our every move.
Scientology PIs follow us everywhere.
The police had just
stood by while these protestors
have been assaulted by Scientologists.
The police had been absolutely
unwilling to do anything
to protect the protestors.
The day that injunction
was put into effect by the judge,
he was out on the street using
it trying to get us arrested.
I've got tape of the police officer...
You saying to the officer,
"Look, they're named here!
They're named!"
That was another life. Leave him alone.
Well, Mike... Mike is fully aware
that we're going to find that stuff
and we're going to air it. Sorry, Mike.
- Oh, Mike!
- We're gonna find that stuff.
So it appears as if they've
called the Clearwater police
to complain of the... prior
peaceful picketing activity.
I'm concerned that Mike Rinder
wants to stop peaceful picketing
under the guise of legal process.
Mike Rinder is the chief
of their dirty tricks department
and there is nothing
he wouldn't do or say
to try to keep this... criminal
at the helm of Scientology,
David Miscavige, in power
because Mike Rinder's power
comes from David Miscavige.
Have you been served
with one of these injunctions
- as an agent of his?
- No.
You were in court, Stacy,
when that was issued.
You were test... You were
sitting right there.
Because you're saying that
you're... you're not on notice.
Or you're trying to say
you're not on notice.
This was just a tactic
to try to stop protests.
You're not allowed to protest?
Well, that's the entire injunction.
That injunction, issued in 1999,
even though the Lisa McPherson Trust
ceased to exist in 2001,
Scientology still drags this thing out
at every opportunity.
They put a red cover on it,
they make it look all official,
they hand it to the cops and they say,
"Here, we got an injunction
against this guy.
He's just a troublemaker!"
In 1999, like 20 years ago?
It's absurd, but the
theater of the absurd
is the theater of Scientology.
Scientology realized, like,
"Oh, Mark can't be within
ten feet of us".
So then they started staging
Scientologists every ten feet
so that you couldn't even
walk down the street.
Yeah, I... I went to one event
across from the Ford Harrison Hotel.
- Yeah.
- And there's a woman
talking with a police officer
and they were talking toward me
and she... saw me coming
and she shouted,
"Ten feet!"
And I had to stop...
and the police told me that I
could not walk down the street
as long as she was there.
I said, "Well, can I walk out
around the cars in the street?"
"No, that'd be breaking the law".
- Wow!
- That's crazy, that's insane.
The next event where
David Miscavige was speaking
downtown at a... opening ceremony
for one of their new buildings,
I arrived and they stationed
Scientologists every ten feet
around two blocks around the event.
Precisely ten feet,
and she was waiting as I approached
with two police officers.
They tried to get Mark
kicked out of his condo
because his next door neighbor
was a Scientologist.
I got a knock on the
door from my neighbor.
Very excited to meet me
and very chipper and happy
and "Hi, come on in..."
"come on over to my place!
"You need some furniture?
You want a chair?
"How 'bout a table," you know?
And we sat and talked
for about 15, 20 minutes
and she was very up and very positive
and then... I
noticed she had a big bookcase
full of L. Ron Hubbard
Scientology stuff.
She would, again, was trying
to force furniture on me
and I said, "Well, that's...
That's very kind of you"
"but I think you
should know that I am an SP
"and I've been making a documentary
"about the Church of Scientology and
"I just wanted to be upfront about that
and I hope we can still be friends".
How'd that go?
Her face just went to a glower.
"In that case, I'm going
to have to ask you to leave".
I said, "Well, I... I... I think
still think we can talk..."
"Leave now".
And then the next day,
the condo association
were getting threatening letters
from Scientology attorneys
saying I had to be evicted
because I was ten feet away
from this Scientologist
and breaking the injunction.
And the condo association
thankfully said,
"No, we ran a check
on this guy. He's fine".
- Wow.
- And they didn't like
Scientology trying to pressure them,
- so they... they...
- They stood up for you.
You know, they stood with me.
So it... it's... it's just nuts.
Nuts.
Talking about the... The injunctions
and all of the hoo-ha around
the Lisa McPherson Trust,
the real issue is
what got done, ultimately,
to destroy it.
Which was not the injunctions
and not the people in their faces
and that sort of stuff,
but the investigation and the harassment
that was conducted against Bob Minton.
And I am extremely familiar
with this because I ran it.
If ever there was a critic
of Scientology,
it was Bob Minton
and, I promise you,
no expense was spared
when it came to hiring
private investigators,
hiring people around the world
to investigate Bob and
his finances in particular.
It was his money that
we were interested in.
We knew that Minton had made
a considerable amount of money
selling Nigerian bonds.
So Dave Lubow went to London
and managed to persuade
the Nigerian government
that Bob Minton and the
people he had worked with
had scammed them out of tens
of millions of dollars.
And the Nigerian government
officially requested a prosecutor
in Switzerland to open an investigation
and to freeze Bob Minton's funds
in his Swiss bank accounts.
And he had no money.
He didn't have any money
to pay his bills,
and that was the real pressure
that was put on him.
Now why are you getting emotional?
'Cause you're making me emotional.
Bob was my hero.
He was a flawed man
but he was a good man.
- Yeah.
- And he really cared
and was really trying
to make a difference.
Yeah.
And he helped a lot of people.
It was not a... a pretty ending.
I saw the pressure on him.
Every day I would...
I would walk into his house
and wonder, is this the day
that Bob's gonna shoot himself?
And it was horrific,
and Stacy went through that too.
They were trying to get Bob out of this
and one of the things they did...
was try to sit down with Scientology
and work out some sort of ceasefire.
I believe they...
were you at those meetings?
- Absolutely.
- Yeah.
And... and from my understanding...
Thank you.
From my understanding, Bob and Stacy
wanted to go in there and just say,
"Okay, we'll...
we'll stop all the lawsuits.
We just wanna get out of this
because it's too hard".
And at the first meeting,
my understanding is
you said, "Not only are... are
you not getting out of this"
but here's a $10 million lawsuit".
And, I was told, a detailed
$30 million RICO case
that you were preparing against Bob
and they came home from
that just shell-shocked.
Bob called me and asked
me if I would be willing
to meet with he and Stacy alone.
I said yes.
Miscavige insisted that Monique Yingling
go with me and we met at
the Johnson Pope law offices.
He eventually just went, "I want out.
If you can get my money
freed up, I'm out of here".
And that was sort of the sad end of Bob
as a crusader against Scientology.
He was effectively terminated
as an attacker,
which is the objective of the
Office of Special Affairs.
- He was neutralized.
- Neutralized.
It is something that haunted me
for a long, long time.
Stacy and Bob called me
when he was in Zurich
going to get his money
and he was suicidal
and he was threatening
to jump out the window
of his hotel room
and Stacy called me to help,
to get me to talk to Bob
and I ended up talking to him
for, like, two hours on the phone
and... and talking him
out of committing suicide.
And I was still in the Office
of Special Affairs
- at that time.
- Right.
And I ultimately had a lot
of conversations with him
and Stacy and I was going
to go visit them in Ireland
when he moved to Ireland,
but he was still so scared,
he said, "Please don't come".
"I'm afraid that if you come,
the PIs are all gonna come again,"
and he couldn't take it.
And then he died.
And I never got to see him,
to have the... the real personal
one-on-one conversation.
What I directed to be
done against Bob Minton
and what I did to Bob Minton
has haunted me for a long time,
and I am sorry for what
I did to destroy him
or to seek to destroy him.
This story of Lisa McPherson
really touched him
and it's what motivated him.
He was not motivated by money.
He wasn't even motivated by
a hatred of Scientology,
and you know the way that I know that?
He was willing to have me as a friend
even when I was still in Scientology.
But you got to finally say
you were sorry to him?
Oh, absolutely, and to Stacy.
I mean, to this day, Stacy is...
I consider a good friend.
- Yeah.
- And the only reason
- that she is not on this show...
- Yeah.
Because she desperately wants to be...
Is because of the settlement
agreement that I did with her
that prevents her from talking.
Non-disclosure.
One thing I didn't realize
was that he had no connection
at all to Scientology
or Clearwater or no relatives.
He just came down to
make our city better.
That's what's so insane,
is that they talk about
freedom of speech
and freedom of religion,
but they attack and destroy
those who are...
- Exercising?
- Speaking.
Yeah, exercising freedom of speech.
Exercising that right.
Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
I hope that the...
the memory of Bob is as it should be.
That people understand
that he was doing something
that was selfless
and I, you know, I genuinely
have great, great sorrow
about what happened.
The only... the only mitigating
factor is the fact
that I was able to...
to speak with him and Stacy
afterwards and kind of
make peace with them,
but that's not made
peace with the world,
so I hope that to some extent
this will accomplish that.
Yeah.
- Sorry.
- It's okay.
This is going to mean the world to her.
Thank you.
Mark Bunker, when he
walks down the street,
suddenly, the Clearwater Police
Department appear in force
because Scientology calls them and says,
"We have an injunction!
We've got a trespasser,"
and they are there in a flash
even though that injunction
is 20 years old.
So tell me the history of this park.
It was built for the purpose of what?
- This used to be...
- I mean, it's lovely.
I'm not... I'm not...
I'm not begrudging them.
This for the longest time was
a drive-through Checkers...
Drive-through.
Oh, that's right.
And Miscavige... His office used to be
up in that corner.
And he hated this being here.
- It attracted people to...
- His area.
- His environment.
- I...
And this was his little zone over here.
So... like they bought
this park. They bought that one.
That parking lot, this parking lot.
Then when this became available,
they bought this
and they didn't have anything
to do here with it,
so they just made it a park.
It gets used one time a year now
for Winter Wonderland.
There's nowhere that you can go
to even take a photo of someone.
Right.
These cops don't know what to do.
They brought them the injunction.
Of course.
And does the injunction say
that he can't be at a park?
Nope, nope.
Here's another one.
Here you go, Scientology
using the resources...
They've called the Sergeant in.
- Somebody in the car.
- Yeah.
That's probably the O.S.A. people.
Sorry, they just took pictures of us.
Oh, here's another one.
Now there's four now.
Yup, there you go.
This is a big crime.
I don't really get this shit, Mike.
Am I overreacting to this?
Not at all.
This is why we're doing
a show about Clearwater.
When it comes to Scientology,
this is insanity HQ.
Well, I'm sitting my ass here
until these cops leave.
So it's gonna be a long night.
Thank you!
Thank you!
What are you... what... What's up?
We're sitting here.
We're sitting here at a park.
Okay.
We're sitting here talking
and Scientology, of course,
doesn't want us sitting here talking.
So.
What are... what shall you report back?
Hi, O.S.A.!
You... you know that injunction
isn't applicable to him here.
I'll... I'll explain it to you.
They're the complainant,
you guys are the subjects,
we're just here to get this
whole thing sorted out.
That injunction was
gotten actually by me
when I was in the Church
against him and 13 other people
that used to work for
the Lisa McPherson Trust,
and it requires that
he and those other people
not protest in front
of the Fort Harrison
or the flag building
and a few other places.
That's what that injunction says.
This isn't any of those locations
and he's not, as far as we know...
- Hi!
- Hi.
- Oh, my gosh. Yeah.
- We appreciate it.
- Thank you.
- Hold on. Juno, come on!
As we're standing there
with the Clearwater Police Department,
we have people who are
filming us from Scientology,
but also we have
people who are screaming,
"We love you, Leah and Mike!
"Keep going!" You know,
"Can we take pictures with you?"
Like... and it's just a...
such a weird dicho...
It's just so weird.
It's like, what world are we living in?
So this is my normal life here.
Mark, you poor baby.
I didn't do anything.
Okay, here comes the boss.
Hi folks, I'm Corporal Wassmer.
- How are you?
- Good, how are you?
Hey, man.
No one has.
This is their
private property right here?
- Yeah, the park and...
- So we can use the benches?
We're gonna stand there. Is that okay?
Let's see if they... if
they have a problem with us
standing here.
I am.
I don't think this is part
of the injunction though.
They didn't even own this building
when this injunction was done.
That why we all just...
There's nothing wrong
with us being here.
Well, and that's why we wanted
to document it too.
Okay.
- Bring 'em on, bring 'em on.
- Please do.
We will stand on this public street.
We will wait here for...
- For her happily.
- We would really love it.
It's ostensibly a public park,
and they even have a big
sign which lays out
that everybody is welcome
to come in here.
It has a little line
at the end that says
and we reserve the right
to remove anybody
should they be harassing people
or something like that.
The truth of the matter is that
this is Scientology property
and if they don't like you,
they will call the police
to get you thrown out.
This injunction is almost 20 years old.
They will never give up.
A whole ruckus is being caused
because Mark Bunker is sitting
in an empty park.
Still going on today...
Using the Clearwater Police Department
for these criminals sitting in a park.
This is what the IRS
should be looking at.
These fake buildings
that have nobody in them.
- Right.
- What is this?
- This was the L.M.T.
- This is it.
- Oh, this was it!
- This is where the L.M.T. was.
My office was in the back
half of that space there.
It's been heartbreaking
to walk through this adorable community
and see nothing but empty
Scientology buildings.
What a waste of a cute town.
If you look at the big
view of Clearwater,
it is the perfect microcosm
of whether Scientology,
in fact, provides a public
benefit or not.