Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath (2016–…): Season 2, Episode 2 - The Ultimate Failure of Scientology - full transcript

- Hello?
- Hi.

Hi, baby.

Baby, I totally understand

what predicament you're in.

I really do.

They are saying the only reason

you're feeling this way about the church

is because you are
connected to suppression.

Even though you're saying…

No, 'cause something happened to me.

It's gaslighting. It
makes you absolutely insane.



That's the purpose of it.

And the purpose of my show

is to validate these people's stories

who've been told that it's their fault.

Okay, my love. We'll talk.

Okay. Bye, baby.

This makes me so sick.
Like, I want to cry.

I want to cry from this phone call.

Somebody reached out to me

and said they want to tell their story.

But not on television.

The story that she's telling me

was that she was molested

when she was underage.



In a way, I'm glad the cameras are here

because this is what Mike and I do.

- This is day in, day out.
- All day, all night,

when the cameras are not rolling.

And our job is to simply
be there for them

as much as we can.

And when we say, are
you willing to do anything?

A lot of times they say no.

And we say okay.

It says a lot about
the people who are talking.

- Right.
- Who have talked.

Not just to us, Mike, but to people

who go on blogs and say,
this happened to me.

But anybody coming on this show

is taking such a big stand
because of the repercussions.

And it says a lot about
the people who said yes,

I'll talk to you guys on camera.

It sure does.

I am the writer of the textbooks
of Scientology.

The aim and goal is to
put man in a mental condition,

uh, where he him…
can solve his own problems.

Without any Scientology organization

things are not gonna
change on this planet.

After years of slowly
questioning Scientology…

Leah Remini and her very public break

with Scientology…

Stop lying to people

that they hold their eternity
in their hands.

Stop telling parents
that it doesn't matter

what you do this lifetime
other than Scientology.

If your religion is so amazing

and doing all these
amazing things for the world,

then it should stand up
to some questioning.

I would repeat this line,
"I want to die. I want to die".

That was my first idea of:

I want to end my own life.

You gave me up

at 13 years old.

How could you think
that this was okay for me?

These people are doing extreme things,

and they need to be held accountable.

For us to do more of this,

we wanted to do something
that could help these people.

We need to do more
than simply document stuff.

You got this.

People will continue to speak.

People will continue to fight.

So we're going to see Marie Bilheimer,

who is a former Sea Org member,

whose former Sea Org member husband

committed suicide in the Hollywood Inn.

The Hollywood Inn is one

of the Sea Organization's buildings

that's on Hollywood Boulevard,
where the staff live.

And now it actually has the Test Center

on the ground floor, there.

Scientology promises people

that it has the answers to everything.

All of life, every part
of your existence

can be analyzed, resolved,

and made better by Scientology.

And clearly, the ultimate
failure of that

is when someone commits suicide.

Right.

If you are suicidal

in the Church of Scientology,

you actually get in trouble
for those feelings.

So you're gonna suppress that
and hide those feelings

if you want to remain in Scientology.

- Right.
- So there's a lot of things

that add to people
being suicidal in Scientology

or depressed in Scientology.

But they learn very early on
to suppress those feelings.

- Hi, cutie lady.
- Hello.

- Come on in.
- Thank you for having us.

- How are you?
- I'm good.

I'm Marie Bilheimer. I was
born into Scientology

and I was a member for 30 years.

Thank you for having us in your home,

and thank you for talking to us,

'cause I know this is not an easy thing.

You're feeling worried about doing this.

You feel like you're going
against your former group.

There's so much history,
and so it's kind of

all coming up, you know, emotionally.

- So it's all kind of…
- Right there.

- Yeah.
- Yeah, I get it. I get it.

So your parents were Scientologists.

Yes, so I was born into Scientology.

The youngest of four, and my parents

had already met at the Edmonton Org.

And so for my whole life,

it was just… Scientology
was the most important thing.

I ended up joining
the Sea Org when I was 15.

A lot of kids my age
were joining at that time.

I don't feel like I really
knew what it was about

until I was there.

You didn't get what
you were about to do.

You're 15, but now you're joining

the elite group of the Sea Organization.

The Sea Org is not glamorous at all.

But there's this hype

of "You're so tough if you can make it".

And "Many are called, few are chosen".

Very early on, I would
see various punishments,

or treatments, of people
getting into trouble,

such as people having
to do all-nighters

or scrubbing toilets with toothbrushes.

There was the mindset for me

that I couldn't get into trouble,

because when I would see it
happen with other people,

I didn't want the same
thing to happen for me.

So you joined the Sea Org at 15

and then you get married at 16.

- Yeah.
- To another Sea Org member.

- Yes. His name was Aaron.
- How old was he?

17.

I met Aaron when I was

newly into the Sea Org.

He'd been there longer than I had.

He had been in the Cadet Org.

He kind of helped show me the ropes.

He was very happy, big smile,
always goofing around.

Even if you have friends on post,

you always have to watch your back.

You let one little thing slide,

and someone's gonna report you.

And with Aaron, I could
let my guard down.

I could be myself.

So when he and I first met,

we were at the same level.

Eventually, I got promoted,

and he would get demoted.

He would just get caught
doing, like, I don't know,

sleeping in some room.

Or, like, just not showing up.

And it ended up where we were
at different echelons,

where I was at one base that was higher,

and he was still
back at the… at PAC Base,

where we originally started.

We were young, and we were happy.

And things were crazy,

but we still had fun to a degree.

I remember one time, like,

him and two of the other
guys in his dorm

got caught with an Eminem CD.

It was like, "You're not allowed
to listen to that".

One time, he put, like,
sun-in in his hair.

And so, like…

It was like his tips,
and they were orange.

And some exec comes up
to me, and they're like,

"Can you please tell your
husband to handle his hair?"

Then for a period…
maybe nine months or a year…

I was in training at Flag in Florida.

And while I was gone,

he had kind of gotten into trouble.

He went out to, like,
an 18-and-older nightclub

and was dancing, and it was
like a couple of other guys…

Wait a minute, he's 18 years old

- and he's going dancing.
- Yeah.

It was totally not allowed.

- Oh!
- Yeah.

- Okay, I was… I was like…
- That's a big crime.

- It's a crime.
- Yeah.

No matter what he did, no matter

how many times he got into trouble,

I still felt I made those vows

and through thick and thin,

I will be married to you.

Aaron was going through

what teenagers go through.

He… wanting to go out to nightclubs,

and dancing, and he put
sun-in in his hair.

But the way that children
are treated in the Sea Org

is that there is one goal,

and that is to clear the planet.

And anything that goes on beyond that

is unacceptable.

There was a certain weight on me

as an executive with
a non-executive husband,

because I had to uphold
an image all of the time.

But Aaron being demoted to a lower org

and being more involved with public…

the parishioners…

at some point, it felt like

Aaron got interested in having

the styles of the regular society.

For me, it seemed like
that isn't important.

At higher echelons of Scientology,

the public image of those people

is considered to be extremely important.

And that includes their spouses.

If their spouse is someone
who is considered

to be a… sort of a lowlife
or a low-level person,

that's unacceptable.

And thus, there is pressure
brought to bear

to find yourself another spouse.

So they want you to divorce him.

One of my seniors did kind of a,

- "You could do better".
- Right.

And things like that.

But he felt that he was holding me back.

- Oh.
- And I said, "I don't care".

- Did you love him?
- Yeah.

And I… he was my best friend.

And I wanted to help him.

And I thought that we
had the answers to do that.

Being Scientologists.

We went through a period of
a lot of struggles between us.

And then Aaron came home one night.

He got home very late,

and he said that it was really foggy,

so he didn't want to drive,
and he pulled over,

and he had gotten a ticket.

And I'm like…

okay.

That's weird.

None of it made sense in hindsight.

It's like, how do you get a ticket

if you're pulled over like this?

I don't understand.

And he needed to go to court

and take care of it somehow.

And he was concerned about that

'cause explaining that to your org,

you would get in trouble.

Then one evening, he comes home

and he said he had to go back to post.

They were doing an all hands,
and he had to go back.

And he just wanted to change

and to get into something
more comfortable

'cause he was gonna be up all night.

He had this one red shirt

he really liked and this beanie.

And I'm like, why do you
have to wear that beanie?

It's the wrong image, again.

And I wouldn't let him wear it.

And I wish I did,

'cause it was what he wanted to wear.

Why does it matter?

He came over, and he said good-bye.

And he…

kissed me on the lips,

and then on…

each of my eyelids.

'Cause that's… he always did it

the opposite way for some reason.

And that time he switched it around,

'cause I would always say,

"Why don't you kiss my lips first?"

And…

The next day, I am on post.

- Dir I&R comes up to my desk.
- Who's that?

The Director of Inspections and Reports.

And so she says, the security
chief from OSA Int

wants to speak to you at the HI.

And I instantly knew,
what did Aaron do?

We pulled up from behind the building.

As we approached, I could
see an ambulance

and fire trucks and police.

I knew it was bad, but I
didn't want to believe it.

And I just… I couldn't even think.

I walk into the parking lot,

and the security chief
from OSA Int comes up

and says Aaron hung himself last night.

And that was it.

And I said, "Did he die?"

And she said, "Yeah".

And I stood there,
screaming and crying…

alone.

And they all walked away
from me and just…

the was no consolation.

And I thought, well, how am
I supposed to react to this?

And I screamed.

And I had no one to comfort me.

There was nobody.

Like, there were people,
but there was nobody.

They all walked away from me.

They looked at me like I was awkward.

Like, what do we do
with this person? Right?

Everyone was looking at me,

and it was so awkward.

And I'm standing there alone,

and there's 25 people around,

and they just wanted to make sure

that the police got their
questions answered

in the right way.

Which… which meant what?

They just monitor it from a PR aspect

to make sure that police
get the questions they need

and it gets shut down.

And no more questions
are asked, and it goes away.

And nobody else hears about it.

Whenever a situation occurs

that involves police or law enforcement

or something that could
potentially get into the media,

this is what's known as a shore flap.

When Aaron committed suicide,

anybody that was around at the time…

and Marie, of course, when she
was brought to the location…

is to be controlled.

They didn't let me see him.

They made me leave
before his body was taken out.

Who made you leave?

- OSA.
- Not the police.

No, no.

And I went back to post.

- I went back to work.
- Oh, my God.

Luckily my desk was in a corner,

so I could just sit there and cry.

And I was an executive
in my organization

and couldn't tell anybody there

what had happened.

I wasn't allowed to have
a proper service for him.

I wasn't allowed to
spread his ashes on my own.

People that were oblivious
later on that knew him

would ask me, "What hap…
well, where's Aaron?"

How's your husband doing?"

And I… I wasn't able to say.

They kind of spread a story
that he had blown.

Meaning he left the Sea Organization?

He left, and they didn't
find him, and he's gone.

Is that a thing?

I mean, is that… is that a thing?

Absolutely. You don't want…

you don't want other Sea
Org members to know

that a Sea Org member committed suicide.

That is how Sea Org members think.

We must keep everybody focused

on their job and clearing the planet.

And we can't allow them
to be upset about this.

I got to the point where I couldn't…

I couldn't take it anymore.

I couldn't try to be on post.

I couldn't have people
continually looking at me going,

"What's wrong with this person?"

And not being able to
communicate what had happened.

The security chief asked me,
"What do you want to do?

"Do you think that you need to leave?

"And if you do, that
will be totally okay.

Just tell me if that's
what you want to do".

And I said, "Yes, I
think that I should".

She didn't want you to be upset…

- Yeah.
- Because it would cause

- a problem for the church.
- I was a situation.

Right. So now they see you as a problem.

- Yeah.
- Okay.

So then you get instantly switched over

to the security checking
and the interrogations.

- Right.
- And mine was tailored

- about Aaron.
- Okay.

What were the questions about Aaron?

Have you ever harmed Aaron?

Have you ever done any…
like, just anything…

- So it was about you…
- Have you ever withheld

- anything about Aaron?
- What you had done to Aaron.

Yeah. And they communicate to me

that the only
reason he did it is because

he's an out-ethics person,

not because of whatever issues

caused him to get to that point.

- Right.
- Not because he's sad

or because he feels trapped there

or because he didn't feel like
he had anyone to turn to

or even that he could communicate to me

whatever he was going through,

but that he took his own life

- and what he did was wrong.
- Right.

And his whole life,
what he was doing was wrong.

- He was just a bad person.
- Right.

Then when I decided
to leave the Sea Org,

I did end up finding the ticket

that Aaron had previously
told me about…

in his sock drawer.

I'm like, "How did I miss that?"

And I pull it out and I look at it,

and I'm like, "It says prostitution".

He was prostituting.

I don't know if he was
struggling with his sexuality,

- if he was gay or…
- Right.

He never communicated anything
like that to me, but…

He wouldn't really be allowed to.

He wouldn't be allowed to,

and he was born and raised
essentially in the Sea Org,

and anything other than being straight

and in a regular…

- Monogamous…
- Relationship is wrong.

And so even if you think
anything like that,

you're like, "Push that out of my mind".

Like, "I don't want to have
any thoughts like that".

So he had an impending court date and…

That was essentially
what was weighing on his mind.

I feel like he was trapped,

and for years, I felt a responsibility,

and I felt the blame, and
I felt like I had missed it

and it was my fault

and that he did it because of me

because I was so dedicated

and he didn't have anywhere to turn to.

They looked at him as somebody
who was undesirable

as a Scientologist
and as a Sea Org member.

They didn't have compassion for him

and what he had been raised in.

They created a person who felt
he couldn't communicate

to his church.

He couldn't communicate to his wife.

He felt tremendous guilt for
whatever he was going through.

Because the Church of Scientology

is not a compassionate one.

It doesn't say, "How are you feeling?"

Let us hold you, let
us help you through this".

And even if he were to speak to me,

I was super dedicated.

I kept my nose clean

and he would've felt

that I would've reported him, of course.

Right. Right.

I wish that I could've told him,

"You can tell me whatever
you need to tell me".

And I thought that…

I thought that he knew
he could be open with me.

And I thought at that point
I had proven myself

to stand by him

and…

And that I would've tried
to do whatever I could.

But at the same time…

it would've always been
Scientology's answers.

Every time we go to talk to somebody,

it's like another level.

Like, what? That wasn't
the worst of it?

It doesn't end, you know?

We leave, we go back to our lives,

and we're protected by our viewers

and the people who support us,

but anybody coming
on this show, you know,

they're not protected.

Well, ultimately, they are.

- They just don't know it.
- Right.

Well, they don't know it in this moment.

- Right now.
- Yeah, right.

But they will see, once
their episode has aired,

the outpouring of support and
love that they get from people

is astonishing.

So we're gonna go talk to Lauren Haggis,

'cause her friend Tayler,
who is a Scientologist,

- committed suicide.
- Right.

The tragedy of it isn't
just that she committed suicide.

That happens, as we know, all too often.

What's heartbreaking
about it is how she was treated.

- Right.
- And the way that her problems

were addressed by her
"friends and family"

because of what they believe
as Scientologists.

I know, it's just still a shock, Mike.

- Hello, hello!
- Lauren, hi.

- Hi! How are you?
- I'm great, how are you?

Look at you, you beautiful lady.

- So good to see you.
- Hi, so good to see you too.

- It's been a long, long time.
- I know.

And you.

I'm Lauren Haggis. I
was born into Scientology.

My dad's Paul Haggis.

He's a producer, writer, director.

He was one of the first
celebrities in Scientology

who became public about leaving.

So how's life, my love?

This is a surreal moment,

'cause it's like… I think

my entire life, I've done everything

to be very quiet and
not talk about stuff.

So it's like I'm fighting myself.

Do you think that that side of you

that you're just talking about
is the Scientological side?

- Absolutely, 100%.
- Yeah.

Well, 'cause I was raised in it

since I was a little girl.

So I didn't have another way to think.

- Right.
- It absolutely has created

a way of operating for me

that I've been unlearning

in the last, like, 10, 11 years,

which has been…

- Right.
- Fantastic.

I think the one thing about
being raised in the church,

I had naturally started to
distance myself from people

that I had felt were really
strong Scientologists.

Because I just didn't like
the "us against them" culture.

It kind of felt like some people

thought that they were better

than wogs… non-Scientologists…

throughout middle school
and high school,

especially in high school.

And then that's where you met Tayler.

Yes. She had just come from
being in the Sea Org in 1999.

She was a firecracker.

She was really sweet, but intense.

I mean, those were the two words

that best describe her.

She wasn't, like, a negative person.

She was just assertive
or really sweet and bubbly.

Like, that's… just was.
If she didn't like something,

she told you right to your face.

So she was just herself.

She was a pure spirit.

That part about her I really enjoyed

getting to experience

because she was… she was unique.

We didn't stay in contact
at that point in time.

So I then go to college,
graduate from that.

And then started
following her on Facebook.

So we were able to see
each other's lives.

And it was really interesting
watching her

become her own person.

Like, she completely changed,
like, visually.

Like, she liked to change
her hair and her style.

She was modeling and singing
and doing music.

And it seemed like she was really

coming into her own.

Because she was… she
was just her in the world.

She'd been working for
the church and really gung ho.

Like, "I'm a proud Scientologist".

She was working in Japan
as a volunteer minister,

posting photos of her smiling.

Just, like, totally down
with the program.

Loving life, loving it, and then
something turned for her.

It started with a boyfriend
who broke up with her

and was really negative and nasty

and so that started it.

So he breaks up with her

and becomes nasty in what way?

Mostly it's… he works
with a bunch of other people

at the org, and they were…

supposedly she had been saying…

they had been saying really
terrible things about her.

Calling her, like, a drug addict.

And, like… so it'd be really, like,

- breaking down her character.
- These are people

- who worked at the church…
- Yes.

Were calling her names
and ridiculing her.

Yeah, and taking things from her past

that are supposed to be private.

Tayler was going through
a lot of emotional stress.

And she had felt like she was bullied.

She had repeatedly tried to address this

in the right channels by writing it up,

sending it up to the people
at the top of the org…

so the Portland Org…
to get this addressed.

And she did over, and over,
and over, and over again

over a span of months
and was getting nowhere

and then became very public about it

on Facebook.

I saw these messages.

What I see… being, you know, older…

is a child.

- Yes.
- Crying out for help.

- Yeah.
- And you're seeing this.

- Yeah.
- Okay, go ahead.

And it gets worse and worse and worse.

She had a lot of Scientologist pressure

from her Scientology friends

about her being public.

"They were saying, " Why are you
talking about this publicly?

You should really be quiet about this".

Like, people who were
harassing her in some ways

and being really negative.

You know, unlike Aaron,

Tayler was reaching out.

Please, to my church, help me.

You're saying this is what you do.

Help me. She was doing the right things.

And nobody cared.

She would seem sad and upset

and she was having all these problems.

She had tried to go
through the normal routes,

and nothing was working,

and she wanted it to be fixed.

She was posting everything
that she possibly could

because she was done.

I was concerned about her.

I was worried for her.

She was really thin.
She was posting pictures

of her at, like, 95 pounds…

Where she was having
these emotional breakdowns,

and she was so stressed out.

She was just continuing to be
offered auditing, essentially.

Which made her worse.

Scientology does not
recognize depression

as a mental illness.

In fact, nothing that has
anything to do with psychiatry

is acceptable in Scientology.

Anybody who has any problem
whatsoever in Scientology

is sent to an auditor

to have Scientology counseling.

Therefore, anything
that was troubling Tayler

will only be addressed by Scientologists

with Scientology.

She had nowhere to go to get real help.

So I wanted to try to give her
support, but I was scared.

Well, you didn't want to
reach out to her, because

- like most Scientologists…
- No. I wasn't very comfortable.

And I'm including myself in that…

thinks what I can't do is
show her any public support

because then my church
is gonna come after me.

- That was your frame of mind.
- Yeah, essentially.

And so it was that fear.
And I let that fear control me.

Right.

And I wish I hadn't.

- Lauren…
- I know.

- Okay, 'cause it…
- I know. I know it's…

I hope for not one second
you're gonna say

that you could've prevented it, okay.

I know, I know I couldn't,

but I… I didn't do what I could.

- So how…
- But, Lauren,

in the frame of mind of a Scientologist,

you believed that
there was nothing you can do.

- Well…
- You know, being outside…

- I know.
- Mike knowing what he knows now

would never allow his children
to be in Scientology.

- No, no. Of course.
- So we understand.

But sitting here, seeing your pain,

I can't allow you now to blame yourself

or to think you could've prevented it.

Because you couldn't have.

You were also in a prison at that time.

Yeah, yeah. But still, I didn't…

I was still fearful and so I gave her

this, like, really, like,

I'm sorry to hear you're having
problems with the church.

Keep your head high, hugs
and kisses, kind of thing.

That was the last time I talked to her.

Around the end of the year,

Tayler wrote this giant paragraph

of saying, basically, I'm sorry

for being an asshole to my friends.

About putting this stuff
on your guys' lines…

She apologized to
the Scientology community

- for speaking out.
- Essentially.

And then she stopped
posting on that Facebook page,

made a new Facebook
page where she didn't

post anything negative
against the church.

And was posting photos of herself.

And then she applied to, like, college.

So I was like, okay.

- Things got fixed.
- Things got fixed.

So I was like, okay, good.

Glad I reached out
and everything's good.

And then January came around

and we found out that
she had killed herself.

I was shocked. I was just shocked.

I started asking my friends…
'cause we all know each other.

We went to a really small school.

So everyone knows someone.

And so I started reaching out to people.

And we found out she shot herself.

She took her own life.

We can't ever be prepared
for anything like that.

But I was totally taken off.

Like, I… I thought
she was doing better.

I thought things were good for her.

But no one expected it.

It was just so sad.

From what I know now,
Tayler has suffered from…

had suffered from suicidal thoughts

and, like, she had
tried to commit suicide

several times throughout her life.

My friend asked, "And you
did all the processing"

and didn't feel any better?"

Taylor says, "Worse".

She'd never gotten
to see a regular doctor,

but she'd gotten to see
homeopathic people.

And tried to handle
her symptoms with vitamins

- and those types of regimens.
- Yeah, Scientology.

Scientology's thing versus medication.

Because in Scientology, you…
no, it's not an answer.

It's not an option. You got to get…

do your auditing and take
your vitamins and exercise.

Because you think psychiatry
and psychology is…

they're all crazy.

They're just going over
and lobotomizing people

and shoving Ritalin and
stuff down kids' throats.

And ultimately, you'd get
kicked out of the church

if you said, "I want
to go see a real doctor".

Or "I want to go see a psychoanalyst"

"or a therapist or a psychiatrist.

I want to be put on medication".

- They'd say, "You're out".
- Yeah.

And you would lose everything
you've ever known.

No, 'cause it's the antichrist.

Yes, and you're evil to
the church of Scientology

and that's it, and
then everybody you ever…

have ever known leaves your life.

In all of this, it gave me a window

to understand what was
going on with her.

But to see her say things like…

That is… that's just awful.

She actually wanted to die.

She thought it was a solution

to stop all of her problems

that she had been having
her entire life,

and she was done with.

The second round, where she's, like,

has this new Facebook page
and she seems to be, you know,

starting again.

This poor girl keeps trying

to pick herself up and move on.

Something happened and I
don't know because I don't know.

I'm hoping you have some answers.

The Scientology part of her family…

her mom, specifically…

for every time that Tayler
did something and spoke out,

her mom would distance herself
from Tayler financially.

And that was Tayler's only support.

She was not self… she was a musician.

She was not on her own,
she wasn't working.

She was dependent, completely,
on her parents.

So she would withdraw
her financial support.

And her emotional support.

Her family was really,
really important to her.

She loved her mom,
and she loved her family.

So it was very tough on her.

To be going through
what she was going through

in her own experiences with the church

and then to have to deal
with the disconnection

back and forth, back
and forth with her family.

And what got me is, she was living

on her friends' couches.

And I had heard her mom
was calling her friends

and saying Tayler is
in a suppressive person

- kind of stage.
- She's an anti-Scientologist.

She's an enemy of the church.

It's not good for her
for you to house her.

And this happened at the last
house that she was staying at.

And she just ended her life,

which makes me feel like

she didn't feel like
she had anywhere more to go.

She just… all roads led to this.

And at Tayler's funeral,

Tayler's mom said, "I am at peace"

with my daughter's decision".

It was, like, a week
after she killed herself.

"I'm at peace with
my daughter's decision".

This is a microcosm of the Scientology

prison of belief and mindset

that makes it acceptable
to destroy someone

for the greater good.

We have to do what L.
Ron Hubbard says to do

so we're gonna disconnect from you,

- despite your emotional problems.
- Yes.

That belief system is toxic.

It is dangerous.

And ultimately, it's deathly.

Her mother told her friends

to publicly disconnect from her.

That's what her mother said.

The mother was applying Scientology.

No, that's okay. So this is December.

This was a month before she passed.

So it's… Christmas is coming.

I just can't. I just…

Yeah.

You have to step up. You have to

take responsibility for
what you're saying to people.

The mental health profession
should have issue

with Scientology
promoting itself as the cure

for mental illness.

It is not a cure. It isn't.

You telling this story, I hope,

that even one parent in Scientology
or any other cult

wakes up and realizes

- I need to protect my own.
- Of course.

I need… we need
to protect our children.

There are options, there's
things that you can do.

- Exactly.
- They make things go right

and to help people's lives.

There are so many options.

I think it's so beautiful

what you're doing for your friend.

You're being everything
Scientology isn't

by telling Tayler's story.

You are giving her

the defense she needed.

So you're doing the right thing.

I didn't know her,
but she would've been,

you know, somebody I would've

liked to have tried
to help, you know, so…

- Of course, absolutely.
- Let me get a damn tissue.

Okay.

It's amazing that you did this.

Oh, thank you. I… I see her

as if she was actually…
she was here, but…

- Right.
- They remind me completely

that she's not and that
she could have been…

she could have been so easily helped.

I've known five people in my life

who've killed themselves.

Four of them were Scientologists,

including Tayler.

And so who are these people?

And how can we do the same
thing with Tayler for them?

- I love that.
- I am doing

what I could have done then, now.

- I understand.
- Yeah.

Oh, my God. You're not alone.

- Thank you.
- Oh, don't worry about it.

We had three generations
applying Scientology

to the best of their ability.

And at the end of
the day, it destroyed us.

There's no way to make it work.

All of this destruction is Scientology.

Some of the people in my
dorm looked out the window

in time to see him fall.

I feel guilty.

You were a victim yourself.

We are told that if
you reject Scientology,

you will lose.