Kindred Spirits (2016–…): Season 3, Episode 10 - The Search for Lizzie Borden - full transcript

People have searched...

for decades and decades,

and I don't know of anyone
that's ever actually

talked to Lizzie Borden.

We do hear a disembodied voice
of a woman.

I felt, like, an electrical jolt
on the back of my leg.

My God!

It can't be.

It can't be, right?
It can't be.

No, that's **** up.

Don't help me!



We know who's in this house.

When the dead are
forgotten, they become restless.

- My God! You just touched me.
- What? I did not touch you.

I'm Amy Bruni.

A haunting encounter
redefined my life.

I live with that experience
and seek answers to the unknown.

It says, "I am."

I'm Adam Berry.

At Gettysburg, the shadows
and screams of dead soldiers

turned me
into a supernatural believer.

My God.

Together, our investigations
bring peace to the living...

You can't scare us,
you can't deter us.

...by giving a voice
to the dead.



I'm going to ask you
one more time.

What is your name?

Because we believe the dead
and the living are all...

Kindred spirits.

So, here we are,
back in Fall River.

You know, because
of Lizzie Borden,

but not because
of the murders.

We're not even going
to the famous axe murderer.

No. No, we're not.

We are going
to Maplecroft.

Yeah, which is the house
that Lizzie Borden

bought with her sister
directly after

she was acquitted
of the murders

of her father
and step-mother.

The whole idea
and, like, the theory why

many people think Lizzie
might have killed her father

was because he was a miser,
and he had so much money

and they lived in that
little house on Second Street.

This is the house that may
or may not have

been bought with blood money,
if you think about it.

Lizzie Borden allegedly
killed her step-mother

before turning the blade
on her father.

She was acquitted in 1893

despite widespread accusations
of murder.

After the trial of the century,

Lizzie inherited
her father's massive fortune,

bought this house,

and named it "Maplecroft."

Here she lived a secluded life

for the remainder of her days.

Up until now, no one has
really discussed in depth --

- Or investigated it, right?
- No.

The doors of Maplecroft
have been shut

to paranormal investigators
since her death in 1927,

but that's about to change.

So why us, and why now?

So, the people who bought it
are the people

who currently own
the other house...

...the murder house.
- Right.

We've worked
with the people

from the Lizzie Borden house
on so many occasions.

I've known them for years,
and I think that's why

they're entrusting us
to do this,

because everyone said
it wasn't haunted,

but then they got in there,
and they started doing things

and they started
moving things around

and they started talking
about what happened,

and activity
started happening.

Employees Sue and Deb
reported being grabbed,

doors slamming,
and hearing disembodied voices.

They want
a definitive answer...

...of who is
haunting Maplecroft...

...because they've been having
a lot of activity there. - Right.

They want us
to come in and gauge,

like, what is the potential
here for activity.

You know, once they start
having full-on tours and guests

and people
investigating,

like, what's gonna happen
to this house?

Is it gonna go off the chain,
like the Second Street house?

So, we're gonna have to push
the boundaries a little bit...

...just to see what kind
of activity we can get...

...to set a base level, right?
- Absolutely.

Look at this place.

There it is.

- It is massive compared to the house
on Second Street. - Yeah.

Just from the outside,
this part looks...

Like, it looks compact
and contained,

but I know
it extends west.

- It's sprawling.
- It's huge.

It's a fortress,
to keep everyone out

and to keep her
inside of it.

She spent 34 years here.

This is the longest she lived
anywhere --

longer than she lived
in that house on Second Street.

I mean, I could see why
she probably just led, like,

a private life here

and just ran away
from everything,

but at the same time,
was still very much present

in Fall River,
which is crazy to me.

But is she still
in there?

Who are we meeting?

We are gonna meet Deb.

And so she has worked
with owners for a while,

and I think she might be one
of the future tour guides here,

but she's had
a lot of experiences here.

- Okay.
- Hey, Deb.

Welcome to Maplecroft.

- Wow.
- My God.

Holy cow.

This place...

My gosh.

I've been, like,
wanting to get into this house

for so many years.

So, she moved here
after the trial, right?

She did -- Her and her sister
Emma moved here.

And then she lived out
her days here, right?

She did.
Lizzie died in this house.

She did?

She was actually waked
here in the front parlor.

- Really?
- Let's take a look at this.

Want to take a walk in there
and see that?

So this is where her casket
would have been.

My God.

Wait, right here?

It's kind of sad.

She was really lonely,
and she moved here

to this house on the hill,
where she always wanted to live,

but she was still ostracized
by the community.

Do you know why
she would stay here?

Lizzie was stubborn.

I mean, clearly.

I feel like
I would've left.

I would've run out of town
at that point.

So, now as far
as this room,

have you heard of any activity
going on in here?

Well, one evening,
we were just sitting over there.

Sue was there,
and I was actually

on that chair over there,

and you heard loud,
loud footsteps.

I heard that,
and I was scared.

That's pretty clear.

It was crazy.

What activity is happening
in the house

that leads you to believe
that it is Lizzie?

We do hear a disembodied voice
of a woman.

I was just chatting right
over there in the front foyer,

and I heard a woman giggle
in the dining room.

- And I heard that Lizzie had
a great giggle, so... - Wow.

It happens at different times
when you least expect it.

Like, we could be
just walking around

and, all of a sudden,
you would hear it.

I feel like...
once word gets out

that people are
investigating here

and once it gets
opened up in things,

there's gonna be
an uptick in activity.

Well, there already
has been.

So I wonder if we come in
and spend three solid days here,

I don't know if
we'll actually make things...

...kind of really rile up here.
- Exactly.

So this is, I feel like,
will be a good, like,

kind of temperature
of the building...

...and see what's
going on here. - Yeah.

All right, well, why don't you show us
some more of the house?

Want to see the second floor?

- Yeah, yeah.
- Let's do it.

Let's go in this direction.

So, that's another thing --
they will touch you.

They like
to touch people.

- So, this was Lizzie's bathroom.
- Wow.

- We have her tub.
- That's crazy.

Isn't that amazing?

And we have her sink
and her medicine cabinet.

My goodness.

Pretty cool.

- So this has all just been here
the whole time. -

Since there are some
original belongings here,

has there ever been an activity
in here that you know of?

Sue has a really good story
for you,

so I'll let her
tell you that.

Okay, so something happened
to Sue in here.

This was
Lizzie's room.

Pretty much the way
she would've had it.

This is the room
she died in.

Well, we're not
really sure.

I'm gonna show you guys
the addition

on the back of the house.

She may have passed
in that room.

She wasn't feeling well
as she got older.

- It was a little more quiet back here
and peaceful. - I see.

So she thought
that she would build on.

- We'll spend some time in here,
for sure. - Absolutely.

- It's so crazy that Lizzie went...
- Okay. Yeah.

from that little house
on Second Street

to this great,
big mansion.

Isn't it amazing?

Yeah, her and Emma
each inherited

half of a small fortune,
so she was able to afford this.

My God.
Thank you for showing us around.

We will definitely let you
know what we find.

I can't wait.

I feel special.

We're the first people
to do, like,

a really in-depth
investigation here.

Investigating Maplecroft

is a big deal.

And reaching out
to one of the most

notorious women in history

should not be taken lightly.

So, we're doing something
a little out of the norm.

We're calling in Chip Coffey
right off the bat.

Alright,
so Chip's gonna meet us.

I hope he's okay

with what we're gonna
ask him to do.

I know, right?
I mean, he trusts us.

He does trust us.

I mean, he knows
what town he's in.

He doesn't know
where he's going.

I think, in order
to do this right,

I think we ask him
if he'll let us...

...put a blindfold on him.
- Absolutely.

Like, he should be blindfolded
at least for the drive

and maybe the first part
of the walkthrough...

Right.

...because he knows
what Maplecroft is.

Alright.
Thank you, Mr. Coffey.

- Alright, good. You can't see?
- Nope.

Alright, here we go.

Outside influences
are undeniably powerful.

That's why we blindfolded Chip.

It also increases the intensity
of his psychic sense,

allowing him to more
easily channel thoughts

from beyond the grave.

Okay.
You are in the house.

All of a sudden,
I'm very upset.

Like, agitated and upset.

Like, I don't like it.

There's a sense of...
frenetic...

Like, out of control...

I'm being hit by every single
type of emotion.

It's just, I'm trying to get
a grip on my emotions,

and I just can't.

I hear, "Stop!"

"Leave me alone."

Who came up to me?

There's no one right
in front of you.

- There's no one right here.
- Yeah, there is.

"Yeah."
"You got him blindfolded."

"You think you're smart."

I worry about
this can of worms...

...that they're opening here.
- My God.

It can't be.
It can't be.

This is Maplecroft,

once home to the infamous
Lizzie Borden.

Chip Coffey is blindfolded

and conducting a psychic reading
of the house.

He doesn't know where he is,

but something or someone
knows he's here.

Who came up to me?

There's no one right
in front of you.

- There's no one right here.
- Yeah, there is.

Okay.

That was intense.

- Come towards me.
- Okay.

And then we're gonna walk
into this room here --

just gonna walk
through it.

Female --
"Just let me sit.

Just let me sit."
That's what I hear.

Female voice.
"Just let me sit."

"Just let me sit.
Let me be.

Leave me alone."

Is there death here?

Do we know of?

She was actually waked here
in the front parlor.

So this is where her casket
would have been.

Wait, right here?

'Cause I feel sick,
like I'm...

I know I'm gonna die...

and I don't give a damn.

It's, like, let it come.

"You all think
you know everything.

You know nothing
about me."

That way.

Okay.

Yeah, we can walk,
straight ground.

It's level-level.

It's all level.

Well, here, there's stairs
right in front of you.

I just want to touch
something on the side.

Alright...

There you go.

Yeah.

"Don't help me!"

That's what she screams.

She is screaming
"Don't help me"?

"Don't help me."

I'm just gonna do
a stream of consciousness

of what she's saying
in my head.

Can I do that?

Yes, please do.

"You got him blindfolded."

"You think you're smart."

"I don't care
what you think."

I have to look right.

I have to look right.

I won't crack.

Interesting.

Can we remove
the blindfolds?

Not yet.

"I'm sorry."

"I'm sorry."

And she stepped
away from me.

- Should I take it off?
- Yeah.

Hand his glasses,
please.

Here comes glasses.

It's...crazy.

It's a real, strong presence
in this house.

Huge!

Yeah.

From the moment
we walked in here,

we felt the same
exact way. - Huge.

Welcome to Maplecroft.

Which explains to me
something very clear now...

...who it was...

...that was coming at me.

Or was it?

That's why
you're here.

Chip detected
a powerful female presence

during his reading,

but the entity
stopped communicating with him.

Is the spirit of Lizzie Borden
here in Maplecroft?

We are headed upstairs
to conduct an EVP session.

Chip is joining us

in case the entity
shows herself again.

So, let's, um...
get our stuff together.

We'll head up into
the bedroom area --

- Lizzie's bedroom.
- Yes.

I've got the recorder.
You've got...

- SLS and trigger-object
proximity sensor... - SLS.

...recorder, that.

Alright.
Let's head up.

So, Chip, if you get
any impressions at any point,

just let us know, okay?

Yes.

So...

whoever's here,

do you know who
the spirit is here

that would touch people?

This place is about to be opened
up to the public,

and people are going to be
in here all the time,

asking you questions
you might not want to answer.

Was this your safe place?

Was this kind of
where you went

to get away
from everything?

Do you know what happened
at the Second Street house?

Do you remember
your step-mother?

And your father?

Have you seen us
at the Second Street house?

I'm gonna
listen to this.

What?

Has the activity changed

since the first time
you went?

- It is picking up, I think.
- Okay.

Good to know.

Who is touching people?

- Did you guys hear that?
- Yeah.

We're trying
to chase down

the spirit of Lizzie Borden.

Someone's here speaking to us.

We just don't know who.

"I don't -- "
Do you hear that?

It said,
"I don't know."

"I don't know."

Nothing.

Chip, any --
is there anything else?

It's crazy-quiet.

Someone answered
one of our questions,

but only one.

Communication ceased

the second we brought up
the double-murder.

Chip's work here is done,

but we're just getting started.

We're heading down the road

to where the heinous axe murders
occurred in 1892.

That's where Deb's co-worker,
Sue, works.

We're gonna go meet Sue
at the Second Street house,

which is where
the axe murders took place.

Sue was our client
when we investigated

the Lizzie Borden
house before.

I'm glad that
she can help us now.

Well, yeah.

I'm interested to see what Sue's
experiences at Maplecroft,

'cause she's super level-headed,
as you know. - Yeah.

And so it'll be neat

to hear what happened
to her there.

Deb told us that you'd had
some experiences at Maplecroft.

Can you tell us what happened
there, exactly?

I've had a few
experiences,

but I think the most
jolting one to me

would have been in the bathroom
on the second floor --

Lizzie's original bathroom.

I was hanging the shower curtain
up there,

so I was standing on the chair
in that room.

I'm talking out loud
as I was doing so,

and I said,
"Lizzie, I think

you really would have loved
having a shower."

And as I was
talking out loud,

I felt, like, an electrical jolt
on the back of my leg.

But you could feel, like,
fingers attached to the jolt.

- Really?
- And I was like,

"Okay, you are here
listening to me."

Yes.

Yeah.

What room...

is the most uncomfortable
for you?

I think that
addition room.

We believe Lizzie might have
passed away in that room,

and I think that room.

And I just get an uneasy,
like somebody's watching me.

Has the activity changed
since the first time you went

to the most recent time
that you went?

- I think the more we go there,
it is picking up, I think. - Okay.

Good to know.

Yeah.

Back at Maplecroft,

we'll focus on the two rooms
Sue fears most.

We need to know who, what,

or how many entities are here.

So, the important thing
about this bathroom, I think,

is the fact that these
were all fixtures

that Lizzie Borden
actually used.

So you have to think,
Lizzie, like,

actually looked in this mirror
every day. -

Our friend Sue
was in here,

and she was
working on...

this shower curtain here.

Do you remember her?

She says she felt as though
she was touched in here

while she was putting
the shower curtain up.

I'm sorry,
what was that --

Wait, wait, wait, wait,
wait, wait, wait.

"Not me."

Who is it?

Listen to it.

It can't be.

- Can't be.
- No.

Amy and I are
the first to conduct

a full-fledged investigation
of Maplecroft,

the home Lizzie Borden bought

after inheriting
her murdered father's fortune.

We're looking for Lizzie
and whoever is responsible

for the physical
paranormal activity.

"Not me."

"That's not me."

Yeah. I hear it.

"That's not me."

Who is it?

It seems very insistent.

- Like, "That's not me."
- Right.

Like, so, people
are getting touched.

This voice is saying
"That is not me that does that."

So, who's touching people?

What was that?

That was down that way.

- Did you guys hear that?
- Yeah.

It was really loud.
It was like right here.

The addition.

So, it was a loud,
like...

That's where
she might have died

and the room
she was afraid of.

So, to whoever's
house this is,

thanks for letting us
be here tonight.

We've come here because

there's a lot of history
to this house,

and the new owners

are wondering
if there is anyone here.

So, if you're
in this room,

can you talk into
this little red light here?

This is a recorder.
It won't hurt you.

It just can hear your voice,
even if sometimes we can't.

So, if you could just
get as close

to this little red light
as you can

and just introduce yourself,
please.

People still talk
about this house,

and they talk about
its former occupants.

Is there anyone else here
besides you?

Who else lives in this house
with you?

Are you okay
with us asking you

questions about the past?

Alright, let's listen to this
and see if anybody's talking.

It says something.

Two syllables.

It sounds like a name,
but I can't make it out.

I know, right?

But let's just keep
listening,

see if there's
anything else.

I hate this say it.

Listen to it.
Listen to it.

It can't be.

It really can't be.

My God!

It can't be.

It can't be, right?

- It can't be.
- No.

So, Lizzie
changed her name.

She kind of was trying
to reinvent herself.

That person is who we should
be talking to.

Paranormal activity is
on the rise here in Maplecroft.

We're reaching out
to Lizzie Borden...

...in the room
where she might have died.

- I hate to say it.

Listen to it.
Listen to it.

It can't be.

It really can't be.

My God!

It can't be.

- It can't be, right?
- With a Borden?

- It **** is Lizzie Borden, isn't it?
- Yeah.

You guys...

That's **** up.

- You know what, though?
It's okay. - Yeah.

Let's keep it cool.

What in the...

"I am not."

I mean,
do we walk in here

and get the name
"Lizzie Borden"?

Like, is it that easy?

Yeah, I don't know.
I mean, like...

Is it what we want to hear,
and it's, like,

somebody saying
the name?

Like...
it's so bizarre to me.

It's just very strange,

and then when she said...

...she doesn't want
to talk about it... - Like, it's --

That's what is gonna be
talked about,

over and over
and over again.

I've always
focused so much

on what happened
during the trial.

Like, I don't really
know a lot

about Lizzie after that.

Yeah.

Last night,
we finally got some answers.

It's very possible

we're the first
paranormal investigators

to speak with Lizzie Borden.

But the house went quiet
when we brought up the past.

So we're headed to the library
to learn more

about Lizzie's life
after the trial.

- Hey.
- Hey.

Have a seat.

- Thank you.
- Appreciate this.

- Found some interesting
things for you. - That's great.

It's Maplecroft this time,
you know?

- Yes.
- Here we are.

This is a whole new story,
I feel like.

Isn't it kind of strange
that she's stayed...

...in Fall River?
- Right.

Was she constantly...

bombarded with,
you know, the public?

Yeah, after the trial,
she chose to remain here,

even though all of her friends
abandoned her --

most of them,
I should say.

She walked down the street
and people would be clucking

and "
that's Lizzie Borden."

And some of her friends
would see her...

...and make eye contact...

...and then walk the other way.

And here's a quote I found,
kind of revealing about that.

She said, "When the truth
comes out about this murder,

I want to be living
in Fall River

so I can walk downtown

and meet those
of my old friends

who have been cutting me down
all these years."

It's so bizarre.

I mean, it's so crazy
because it's like,

I don't think
we're gonna be able to --

I don't know
if we're ever gonna know.

- It's America's Jack the Ripper case.
- Yeah.

And people are gonna be
talking about it forever.

To tell you about the house
a little bit,

Lizzie bought that house
along with her sister Emma

shortly after
the acquittal.

Lizzie lived in the house
for 34 years,

longer than Second Street.
- Yeah.

And Emma only lived in the house
for 12 years

because they had kind of
a falling out.

And she said,
"The reason for me leaving,

I'll never discuss it."

That makes you
think, too.

Yeah.

And she had to go
to her reverend

to get advice on this,
so...

It sounds like Emma was
kind of more orthodox

and really just wanted to live,
like, a quiet life.

She wanted to avoid
the notoriety.

After her sister leaves,

paint me a picture,
if you can,

of Lizzie's life
at Maplecroft.

I found that she
had almost a metamorphosis

in 1905.

She changed her name from Lizzie
to Lizbeth.

That's what she said.

It says something.

So, Lizzie
changed her name?

Yes, Lizbeth.
And that happened in 1905, too.

She even had
business cards...

...that said "Lizbeth of Maplecroft."

So she kind of was trying

to reinvent herself
at that point.

Even in her instructions
on burial --

she wrote them out.

She wanted her name as Lizbeth
on her stone.

- Her stone does say "Lizbeth."
- It does say "Lizbeth." - Yeah.

Interesting, okay.

Is she buried with
her family or...

Yes, she instructed

that she be buried
at her father's foot.

Interesting.

So much drama in the Borden house.

It's not because
of the horrible murder.

We see those in the papers
all the time.

- It's the mystery.
- Yeah.

Thank you so much
for all this.

- We're gonna keep digging.
- Alright, good luck. - As always...

- Let me know how it turns out.
- Yes.

Thank you so much.
Appreciate your help.

And remember --
Lizbeth.

- We're trying to narrow down
who was at Maplecroft. - Exactly.

- And, I mean, I think our gut
is that it's Lizzie. - Right.

I think from
talking to him,

when she said
"Lizzie Borden,"

it was a sassy response.
- Listen to it.

It can't be.

My God!

It can't be.

It can't be, right?

We are seen as those outsiders
that are coming in.

She's like, "You're looking
for Lizzie Borden.

You're not looking
for Lizbeth."

Which is who she became in 1905,
you know?

She, like, changed over her life
completely, right?

So we now have to do something
that she doesn't expect,

which is approach her
as Lizbeth.

I think us going in there,
talking to Lizbeth, right?

That person is who
we should be talking to.

So, we don't even bring up
the murders tonight.

No. Not at all.

And anything that involves
the murders --

the ax upstairs,
the crazy books --

let's put them away.
Take them out.

- And let's make like
a scene of it. - Yeah.

Let's, like, make a moment of,
like, "You know what?

We're gonna take all this
out of the house...

...'cause this does not
define you." - Right.

I think that's a great idea.

We've been addressing
the wrong person

this entire investigation.

That's why names are key.

We should have reached out
to Lizbeth, not Lizzie.

Amy and I need to make
her comfortable

if we hope
to get any answers.

We need to make this feel
like her home.

So, right now, we are
going through Maplecroft

and we're taking out

anything that pertains
to the murders,

because we're gonna make it
an ax-murder-free zone

because Lizbeth would not have
had anything like that here.

Lizbeth, we're getting rid
of all the horrible things

that talk about
what happened on Second Street

because you don't need to be
reminded of that.

This is, like, articles
about Lizzie in jail.

This is, like, artist renderings
of her during the trial.

Alright.
So here we have an ax.

"America's Murder Houses."

This can go.

Take this out.

I found this
newspaper article.

Really?
There's an article in there?

Yeah, "The Butchery of Yesterday
and Yet..."

God.
Let's get it all out.

Let's go put it in the back
of the car for tonight.

Alright, Lizbeth, we're gonna
take this all outside,

keep it out of the house
for tonight.

Before we reach out
to Lizzie again,

we're setting up a unique
and non-threatening experiment.

The goal is to make her
as comfortable as possible,

so Adam and I are separating.

I'm hoping to hear
Lizzie's thoughts

through my Spirit Box,

while Adam asks her questions

via his walkie-talkie.

I won't hear a single word
he says,

but the crew will.

Even though I can't see him,

I'm still gonna put
the blindfold on

just because there is something
to that sensory depravation

where it makes you focus more

on what the Spirit Box
is saying.

So all I'm going to sense,
hear, experience

is whatever I'm hearing
through my ears

through that Spirit Box.

There's no one
on the second floor.

Even our camera crew vacated.

It's just me.

Alone.

Alright, I'm going
under right now.

My friend Amy is upstairs.

I'm hoping that you can
talk to her, please.

I'd love for you
to reach out to her

and say something to her.

Could you tell me your name,
please,

anyone who's in that room...

with my friend Amy?

Can you tell me your name?

Lizbeth.

- We were having a conversation
with Lizbeth. - Yes.

Like, for real.

I could...

I could feel her
up here.

We're talking
to Lizzie Borden.

Amy and I adjusted
our investigative approach,

and it's working.

Could you tell me your name,
please,

anyone who's in that room?

Lizbeth.

Lizbeth, you're gonna have
a lot of people come in here

and try to talk to you,

and most of those people
are gonna talk about --

Directly?

Yes.

They're gonna talk
to you directly.

I'm lost.

So, the people
that own this house now

also own the house --

Don't say anything.

It's not me.

People are gonna ask you
about what happened

at Second Street.

We're trying to warn you
and let you know

to see if that's okay with you.

Please talk to them.

She really wants nothing
to do with her past.

Are you there?

Yes.
Sorry. Sorry.

So you're saying it's okay
for people to come in here

and talk to you
about your past?

Come back.

I'm here.

What would you like
to talk about, Lizbeth?

Is somebody
walking in here?

Sorry, it seems like someone's
walking in here.

Do you miss someone,
Lizbeth?

From your past?

You get used to it.

I'm upset.

What are you
upset about?

Stop.

Anyone else in the house,
Lizbeth, besides you?

Stop it.

Okay.
Thank you, Lizbeth.

Alone.

I tried.

Hey. Hey.

Hey.

Sorry, I wanted to, like,
stop you for...

My God. I was --

That was so long,

and so I wanted
to make sure that...

I was honestly real creeped out
in here by myself.

Like, I had a really --

- You know that feeling like
someone's right behind you? - Yeah.

And then there was one point...

...where I felt footsteps walking
through the room. - Okay.

I was in the DVR, watching you,
listening to you,

and nothing moved
in the room.

And I couldn't see --
Like, I was, like,

so blinded by this,
I couldn't see.

And I'm like, "Is someone
in here with me?"

- 'Cause it was, like...
- Right.

So you didn't
hear footsteps?

- Nope. I didn't hear footsteps.
- So weird.

Especially 'cause

I was listening
to the audio on your mic,

so I didn't pick up
the footsteps.

- It was the feel of, like,
somebody walking. - Right.

I was hearing, like,
full sentences, by the way.

Right.
Which never happens.

No.

Yeah.

Very distinct...

female voice.

Not a big voice.

Like, kind of a...

light voice,

but female.

She just seemed
so conflicted

and lonely and, like...

And not shy.

- Like, she's a talker.
- No.

Like, she...
Man.

So, right off the bat, I said,
"Can you tell me your name?"

And immediately,
you said, "Lizbeth."

Yeah, I heard the name
"Lizbeth."

Well,
my face said it all.

I said, "They're gonna
talk to you in the house."

- You said, "Directly?"
- Weird.

And I was like, "Yes, they're
gonna talk to you directly."

You're like, "I'm lost.

Like, I don't understand
what you're talking about."

And I said, "Okay,
so they're coming in here

and they're gonna
come in here

and talk to you
about your past,"

and you said,
"Don't say anything."

And you go,
"It's not me."

Like, as if to say
whatever happened

in the past
was not you, right?

I said, "What would you like
to talk about?"

And then that's when
you heard the footsteps.

- I mean, we were having
a conversation with Lizbeth. - Yes.

Like, for real.

I could...

I could feel her
up here.

We're talking
to Lizzie Borden.

And that is creepy.
That's crazy.

I mean, I can't --
I mean, do you understa--

Do you guys get it?

I mean, we're talking
to Lizbeth.

I mean...

People have searched

for decades
and decades,

and I don't know of anyone
that's ever actually

talked to Lizzie Borden.

That is insane.

Yeah.

We know
who's in this house,

and I don't think anybody
expected to what level.

This is not just some

residual-type haunting.

Like, Lizzie Borden --
Lizbeth Borden --

lives in this house,

and she is ever-present.

The historical
significance here,

the ghostly significance
here is huge,

and it's a big undertaking
they've taken on,

and it's a big
responsibility.

And so, hopefully,
we'll be able to give them,

like, the beginning
of some guidance...

...that will set them
down the path...

...of keeping this place
kind of level. - Yeah.

Bottom line -- 100%,

we found the ghost
of Lizzie Borden.

- Like, we found her.
- Yeah.

This is one of the first
investigations of many.

It's clear to us that
Lizzie Borden is still here,

and it's safe for now.

We have learned that the second
we bring up the murders,

the activity stops,
or Lizzie stops talking to us.

And so that's why

we just don't delve
very far into it

while we're in this house.

It's out of respect,
and also we know

that going down that road
does not give us any results.

It's time to tell Deb
the best course of action.

- Hey.
- How are you?

How are you?
Good to see you again.

Welcome back.

Thanks.

We've had quite an eventful
three days here.

I don't think we've ever
left an investigation

as connected
with whatever's here

as we are right now.

So, we had Chip come over.

And we blindfolded him,
so he had no idea where he was.

And immediately,
he picked up on Lizzie Borden.

He just said it was
a woman energy

who was frantic.

We really got a taste
of her personality.

- And so the second night, we got
a very distinct EVP. - Liz-beth.

Liz-beth,

She split it.
Yeah.

That's awesome.

Yeah.
She's very clear.

Like, "Liz-beth."

Yeah.

We figured,
"Okay, Lizbeth Borden is here,"

and she's really clear
that she likes to be called

Lizbeth, by the way.

So we experimented
with this idea

that we wanted
to make her comfortable.

And so the first thing
we did --

we went through,
and we made a big spectacle,

and we said, "Lizbeth,

we are taking everything
out of this house...

...that has anything to do...

...with what happened
at the other house." - Right.

That's amazing.

So, we do something --

we call it, like,
the Spirit Box experiment --

where basically,

one of us wears
noise-canceling headphones

and listens
to the Spirit Box.

And we wear a blindfold,
so we're like sensory deprived.

And he would ask the questions
through the walkie.

And so we had, probably,
a solid 12-minute conversation...

...with Lizzie Borden.
- Lizbeth.

Lizbeth Borden.

Yeah.

And you see her
character traits.

There are moments
when she's chatty,

and there's moments
when she's happy.

And then immediately,
almost on the dime,

she's upset,

and she doesn't want
to talk about it

and she's
"Leave me alone."

We're just trying to think of,
like, the long run

and what you can do here to,
one, stop this from escalating,

because if people
start coming in

and bringing up
uncomfortable things for her,

the activity could
start ramping up.

- And so you do kind of want her
to remain comfortable. - Exactly.

So, we just feel
like in the long run,

it's important that everybody
that come here,

if they're going
to investigate,

do so very respectfully

and with the idea
that this was her sanctuary,

and it still is.

So, we think that
the best thing to do --

we have a whole box
of anything in the house

that had to do
with the murders.

We should just get it
out of the house,

because I think
that's the one thing

that's uncomfortable
for her here.

But otherwise, it's all
on the people who come in here

to handle it respectfully,
know where her headspace is,

know that Lizbeth Borden
is in this house. - Right.

She is a very strong person,
you know?

She's entrusted us with this house...

...and we want to make sure
she's comfortable.

This was her sanctuary.

So you kind of hit it
right on the head.

But this is
just awesome.

You guys did an amazing job.
I'm so impressed.

Thank you.

This was a monumental
investigation,

and as paranormal investigators,

a legendary milestone.

We're the first to ever connect

with Lizzie Borden
in the afterlife.

This home might have
been her sanctuary,

but that's about to change.

The question is,
will she?