Ghost Adventures (2008–…): Season 13, Episode 9 - Dumas Brothel - full transcript
The guys travel to Butte, MT, to investigate a historic bordello. As they communicate directly with the aggressive spirits, Zak suffers a mysterious scratch on his neck and loses time during the lockdown.
ZAK:
The Twin Bridges Orphanage...
CHILD: I want my mommy.
Do you believe
in the darker side of hauntings?
I think there are spirits
out there.
I've seen them.
[ Children laughing ]
ZAK: Were you
and the other kids
in fear
of getting a beating?
Oh, of course.
[ Thwack! ]
AARON: Come out, come out,
wherever you are.
[ Thudding ]
Aah!
Look in the pool.
-What is that, dude?
Look, it's moving!
It's moving!
ZAK:
There are things in this world
that we will never
fully understand.
[ Distorted ] Understand.
[ Echoing ] We want answers.
We have worked years to build
our credibility, our reputation,
working alongside
the most renowned professionals
in the field,
capturing groundbreaking proof
of the paranormal.
It's working!
I can't give you
an explanation.
[ Birds cawing ]
This is our evidence...
our ghost adventures.
Look at the fog all up
on top of the mountains.
We are
in the middle of nowhere.
We are in Montana.
We know that.
But we are
trying to find
a very little, tiny town
called Twin Bridges.
AARON: Is this not like
Silent Hill driving up?
It's just eerie.
ZAK: We are in search
of an abandoned orphanage
with a sometimes brutal history.
Whoa!
Look at that.
-Wow.
-Damn.
ZAK: The Twin Bridges
Orphanage opened in 1894.
It cared for over
5,000 unfortunate souls
before closing its doors
in 1975.
How long have you
owned this place?
ADAMS: Since 2005.
This is a bit of
a kind of challenge for us
as I said
when we were driving in,
because nobody has
ever investigated this.
We don't really have people
to tell us evidence
they've captured
or spirits here.
Do you keep this place
kind of guarded from everybody?
-Kind of, yeah.
-Are you protective of it?
I am. I feel like
a caretaker of it, so...
Yeah, and that's part
of the reason I haven't --
I worry about when you guys
go away, you know,
if you do find things
that are disturbing.
Why would you worry?
Just that we'd be left
to deal with it.
Uh-huh.
So you're --
I'm glad, no, listen --
That's been
my biggest hesitation ever.
Well, I'm glad that
you're open about this.
We just want to try
to communicate, okay?
Are you okay?
-Uh-huh. Yeah.
ZAK: Leslie clearly
is emotionally connected
to the spirits
of orphans who linger here.
Do you believe
in the darker side of hauntings?
Are you religious?
Do you believe in angels
and demons and stuff?
I think there's spirits
out there.
I've seen them
and have experienced them.
And while they can be
frightening, you know,
here there
are kids singing
and that's the kind
of experiences I've had.
[ Child humming ]
Where do you hear
that at?
It tends to be when
I'm alone in places.
-In the buildings?
-In the buildings, yeah.
[ Children singing
indistinctly ]
ZAK: Noel Freedman grew up here
as an orphan.
He is author of the book
"Dumped,"
a memoir of his time here.
Why were you sent here?
What happened
with your family?
FREEDMAN: My mother went
to the state for help
and they wouldn't
help her.
So one day, we went
into the state capital,
and my mother said,
"You kids sit here
on the granite steps.
If anybody asks what
you're doing here,
you tell them I said
the state was babysitting."
CHILD'S VOICE: "By lunch,
people started asking
what the kids
were doing here.
'Did you kids eat?'
'No.'
'You got money?'
'No.'
The children were placed
in the Montana
State Orphans Home."
Were you ever
scared being here?
Just I wanted
to get out.
You just wanted
to get out.
Yeah, well, you know,
everybody was crying
to get out.
Why were they crying
to get out?
They missed their
mommy and daddy.
Yeah.
[ Children talking
indistinctly ]
[ Chalk scraping
on chalkboard ]
Would kids ever die
on the property?
Yes, I do remember
a child
that did die here
that got kicked by a horse.
-Really?
-She got out into a field.
So she got kicked in
the face by a horse?
Oh, yes, she got out there
or stepped on.
She was dead anyway, you know,
killed out here.
There was always diseases
going on.
-Right.
-Communicable diseases.
Did you have
to be quarantined ever?
-Oh, yeah.
-You did?
Well, I mean, the whole place
would be shut down.
There would be
a quarantine sign
on the outside
for people coming
that said "Quarantined."
That meant keep out.
ZAK: A former staff member
of the orphanage reports
there were 30 headstones
of buried orphans
in the fields here
and somehow they have
mysteriously disappeared,
leaving a recipe
for innocent souls
who have not only lost
their mommies and daddies,
but have lost
their own identities.
Now, from all these buildings,
where did you live?
This would be the first
building I went in.
-This is?
-Yeah.
The kids that wet the bed
would put their sheets
on the radiator
and dry them
so they wouldn't get
a whipping for wetting the bed.
Do you believe that
physical beatings
was right to do here
at the orphanage?
As a child, I thought maybe
that was how they cured it.
I found out
that it didn't work
because they still wet
the bed.
That matron come out enraged
with her whip
and down she'd come
and it wet the bed,
and the kid would turn over
and whip the kid
and then on to the next.
[ Thwack! ]
And this is really
the God's truth.
Were you
and the other kids
constantly in fear
of getting a beating?
Oh, of course.
CHILD'S VOICE: "It's my mother's
birthday today.
This morning, it was cold out,
so when I came downstairs,
I got by the radiator.
Horbes came down and hit me
with the hose."
The hose doesn't make
any noise, but it does hurt,
but you can't scream
because you hurt so bad,
so they had to hit harder
to get a rise out of you.
ZAK: As we set up our next
interview, storm clouds roll in
as if the restless souls
of the orphans
are crying out to us.
All right, let's go.
Janie Wasmann was employed
by the orphanage in the 1970's.
Did the kids ever get out
of line
where you had
to give them a whooping?
I can't tell you what I did
to the one kid.
[ Laughs ]
Why can't you tell me?
We had cafeteria duty
and he was supposed
to clean the toilets
and he didn't want to,
and he'd go [sighs]
[ Sighs ]
I said, "You do that
one more time,
and I'm shoving your head
in that toilet bowl"
and by God, I did.
I never heard him go
[sighs] ever again.
[ Laughing ]
[ Toilet flushes ]
You shoved his head
in a toilet bowl?
Yeah,
and I flushed it.
Do you think any of the kids
were ever killed here?
Yes, I do.
-You do?
-Yes, I do.
All we had to do was
backhand them
and they'd fall down the stairs,
bang, we lost one more.
ZAK:
To hear a former matron
laugh about
inflicting child abuse
as punishment for
a simple gesture disturbs me.
Could violent behavior
like this
be the cause
of such unrest here?
I've lived in Montana
since 2000.
I was originally born
in Calispell.
Kurtiss Mathias
is good friends with Leslie,
owner of the orphanage.
I stopped
at the basketball court
or hoop area
and what I was looking at
was a bunch of kids
playing basketball,
but they weren't --
they weren't flesh.
[ Children laughing ]
It wasn't flesh and bone
I was looking at.
I was looking at definitely
something different.
[ Thunder rumbles ]
[ Laughter ]
-Do you come in here at night?
-No.
-Why?
-Just not looking for trouble.
ZAK: So it could be
scary here at night?
Mm-hmm.
This room over here,
they taught girls
how to sew.
This is really
interesting here.
There's something
I have with mirrors,
especially when they're still
standing in the exact spot
where these children were.
I always believe
that these mirrors
absorb the images
and the moments
of every single time that child
looked at their own
reflection in them.
This is what you use
when you create,
um, what's the name of that,
a psychomanteum.
But I'll tell you right now,
I strongly believe
and I can even feel it,
standing in between
these mirrors
that there is something
in between these mirrors
like a doorway
or something right here.
I feel like a charge of energy,
electricity right here.
We immediately grab our gear
and return to the sewing room
to investigate
whatever is causing
the intense energy there.
Definitely getting spikes
over here.
It's going off
nonstop over here.
AARON: For real?
Listen, right
in this area, too.
Oh, yeah.
You can hear this
is just going nuts.
What's the milligauss?
0.7, 0.9.
MAN: It's going up?
0.8, yes, around --
we just had a spike.
And you're not moving,
you're just in the same spot.
-Did you get it, Jay?
-Yeah, I got it.
Now it's down to 0.3,
4.7, 1.0.
-What?
-Seriously?
ZAK: 0.9.
We just had a massive
4.7 milligauss spike
for no reason whatsoever,
right by the mirror
where I was feeling
all the energy earlier.
-Nothing on thermal.
-Let me see that.
-Here.
-Document that spike,
hold onto that.
AARON: "Electric."
Right when I walk to the
mirrors, it said electric.
Like your Mel meter
was going off.
It says electric right
when I walk this area.
ZAK: I know, but
what's interesting
is it said electric
and when I went there,
how did I describe the feeling
that was in there?
-Oh, yeah.
-Electric, I said electricity.
I feel a charge of energy,
electricity right here.
We have enough evidence
right now to show
that there
are unexplained readings
and unexplained things going on,
paranormal, inside here.
There could possibly
be bodies in here.
ZAK: There are little kids
that are unknown.
I want to connect
with their spirits.
You know, we were told
by Leslie
that it hasn't rained here
in a very long time
and just when we show up,
this rain begins to fall.
And it just feels
like these raindrops are
like the tears of the orphans
that came here
and lost their families,
they lost everything.
I was able to find something
that was written by a former
orphan who is now deceased,
but right before he died,
he wrote this in 2014.
"Both of my parents died
when I was 7 years old
and I was taken
to the orphanage in 1932
and was there for four years.
The matron was Ms. Hyman.
She would give each of us
a whipping about
five times per week.
All of us boys would cry
except Robert,
who never let a peep out.
Once this made her so angry
that she said, 'I'll keep this
up until you cry.'
After whipping Robert
for a long time,
he finally said a groaning.
That was the only time
I heard her laugh."
All of my thoughts that
I've ever had as a small child
were always good,
were always positive
and it pains me to read
these type of quotes
that were given by old men
who still remember
nothing but negativity.
He survived and he lived
a very long time,
but all the children
that didn't survive,
they died here.
Those atrocities combined
with the emotions
of these children,
the sadness...
...could very well welcome
things here to these buildings
that are still feeding off
of those residual emotions
that linger on here
in the shadows.
Leslie, the owner,
said one thing that
is sticking with me right now.
She loves this place,
she's protective of it,
but she won't go
in the buildings at night.
I want to find out why.
So, we just walked
around with Noel
and Noel just informed us
that there are
underground tunnels
that connect
all these buildings.
There are kids
that are buried
on the property here
in unmarked graves.
There could possibly
be bodies in here.
I'm sure nobody has been
in these tunnels for decades.
I want to see what's
in these tunnels.
Is that okay?
Yeah, okay.
So now, this is rolling
right now.
Be careful. It may be
the very last time I see you.
Any last words?
-It's been fun.
-That's good, Jay.
Just in case
if something does happen,
we're going
to remember you
and dedicate
this episode to you.
I'm just glad I'm nine years
deep in this
and I don't have to do that.
-I'm glad I'm 10 years deep.
I know, forget that.
ZAK: While Jay investigates
the tunnels,
Billy, Aaron and I head
to the Twin Bridges Cemetery
to pay our respects
to the many unfortunate children
who lost their lives
at the orphanage.
All these little children,
innocent spirits,
still living through torment
and suffering,
still living in fear
from the matrons
that used to beat them.
And if their captives
are still there,
keeping them there, then we want
to break that barrier.
Hello, children.
It's a little over
100 names on this plaque.
These are just
the documented orphans.
There's no telling
how many were undocumented.
I just feel that I have
to name every single name
just to let every child know
that they're not forgotten.
Matthew Adams, Max Andall,
Maxine Andall, Jack Anderson,
Nora Anderson,
Celas Anukas Armstrong,
John Raymond Arigoni,
Joseph Bet,
Glen Duck,
Marlan Brainwait,
Judson Gother,
Dorene Haskins,
Hubert Hattula...
...Dorene Haskins,
William Hicks,
Mary Joseph Johns,
Edward Moore,
Mable Norris,
John Mueller, Alfred Shaw.
...Delmar Post,
Mary Rask,
Walter Replogel...
...Alfred Schaad, Edgar Scholtz,
Wilfred Sheopherd,
Joseph Smith,
Frank Yochim.
There is a separate
name plaque here
that says "Those unknown."
Could you imagine?
There are little kids
that are unknown whose name
is not on this plaque,
whose bodies are buried
on the property there,
whose souls are still
wandering those halls.
I want to know the unknown.
I want to connect
with their spirits.
This is why we're
in Twin Bridges.
Hello, children.
AARON: I heard
something, Zak.
BILLY: Jay, Jay, Jay.
Oh, my God.
Okay, it's time.
We are
in the middle of Montana
and this is
how I really absolutely love it.
I love it like this when
we're just stranded,
there's nobody around,
nobody to help us
and there's a huge iron
gate, Bill, to lock us in.
This property
is absolutely massive.
How many acres is it?
-100 acres.
-And multiple buildings
of this orphanage.
We are here to try and help
these little children.
There are so many deaths here
and there are so many
mysterious circumstances
surrounding some unnamed bodies
that are apparently buried
on the property
and I think --
-Some documented, some not.
-Right and I think that has
a lot to do with the spirits
that are here.
Because this orphanage
contains
so many abandoned buildings,
Billy and Jay make their way
over to investigate
the gymnasium
while Aaron and I focus
our attention
on the oldest building,
a castle.
AARON: Let me just show you
what we're entering --
pitch blackness.
Hello, children.
Little children,
do you hear my voice?
You're safe with me.
We just want to say hi,
get to know you.
Lookit,
I brought some toys.
Do you like toys?
[ Speaking indistinctly ]
What was that?
I heard something,
Zak.
Before entering the gymnasium,
Jay and Billy decide
to set up this
thermal-imaging camera
covering the grounds
as the spirits of children
are often seen playing outside.
Oh, my God,
Jay, Jay, Jay.
No, no, no.
A black figure just
came straight across.
Straight across.
-Are you serious?
Yes.
It came straight at me.
I can see it through
the light through the ceiling.
A black shadow just rushed up to
the door and then bellowed back.
I saw it with my own eyes.
ZAK: After Billy sees this dark
shadow figure in the gymnasium
with his own eyes,
a strange light anomaly appears
to come out
of the gym towards them,
then it does a sharp u-turn
and heads right back inside.
BILLY:
Who's in there?
Could this light anomaly,
which we debunk
as not being a bug,
be the same figure that Billy
just saw,
only now it's showing itself
as a ball of light
in the infrared spectrum?
I was looking through
my camera
and saw this dark-figure thing
rush up like that.
You could hear the floor.
I'm not doing so well.
I haven't even made it in there.
ZAK: Aaron and I continue
using trigger objects
with the intention of showing
the little children
that we are not here
to hurt them.
[ Music box playing music ]
AARON:
Did you like that?
If you liked that,
can you applaud
or say yes out loud?
-Who is in here?
-Jay, what was that?
It sounds like scratching.
AARON: Come out, come out,
wherever you are.
[ Thudding ]
Aah!
ZAK: The night is still young
as Aaron and I head upstairs
here at the Twin Bridges
Orphanage.
Who's in there?
Who's in here?
AARON:
Those are footsteps.
All of a sudden, Aaron
and I begin
hearing all kinds of loud noises
coming from inside this room,
which begs the question,
what is in here with us?
[ Clattering ]
Oh, my God.
Whoa.
What was that?
[ Clattering continues ]
Aah!
Pigeons.
[ Laughing ]
A pigeon.
Oh, my God.
Sorry to laugh, but...
What we thought were footsteps
and smashing noises
were actually
just plain old pigeons.
Aah!
[ Slow-motion ] Aah!
Those are debunked.
After Billy sees
a dark figure lunge at him,
he and Jay leave a basketball
in that exact same spot
to see if the figure
will move it
while they move on
to investigate another building.
BILLY: Hello?
Is there anybody in here?
There's a lot of
little rooms back there.
It's weird, man.
[ Clattering ]
Did you hear that?
Jay, what was that?
-Sounded like scratching.
-Where did it come from?
-This back room.
It's drawing us back in.
I don't like that
at all, do you?
-It was like scratching.
-I heard it.
BILLY: What? What?
What did you see?
I don't know it just darted
across the two rooms.
It went right
across the hallway.
-Was it dark?
-No, it was a light
just shot across
from the one room --
-On your camera?
-On the camera.
ZAK: Right after Jay hears
scratching noises
come from this direction,
he sees something on his camera
that causes him to freak out.
Watch very closely as
these dual light anomalies
move in tandem
with each other.
This compelling evidence
is a rare capture
that validates our belief
that these light anomalies
are visual
representations of spirits.
-On your camera?
-On the camera.
Hold on, hold on.
Projection.
-Projection?
Did you just
project yourself for Jay?
Are you trying
to communicate with us?
Hold on.
Hide.
It says hide.
Do we hide or are you
trying to hide?
Dude, maybe it's...
Hold on, hold on, Jay.
We've got to get ahold
of ourself. Hold on.
That scratching
and that light.
It says return.
It wants us
to return back there.
ZAK: Jay and Billy instinctively
take this message
as a command to return
to the gymnasium
where something is about
to shake both of them
to their inner cores.
AARON: We're playing a game
called hide-and-seek
and what we're trying to do
is find you.
So you've got to show
yourself real quick
and then we've got to come
and tag you, all right?
Come out, come out,
wherever you are.
What was she called,
the matron?
This would be
where she chilled.
What? What?
I'm going
on night vision.
Oh, my God, dude,
look!
Look at that.
There are little
kid's voices.
All right, we're running
over there right now.
Oh, my God!
ZAK: It's almost midnight here
in Montana,
as we discover footprints
in the orphanage's main
building.
AARON: Oh, my God,
dude, look!
Look at that.
Look, they go straight
to the window.
As Aaron and I are looking
at these fresh footprints
that appear
in the center of the room
and lead to the window,
we examine them
even closer and discover
that they are not
paranormal after all.
No, that's an animal.
It doesn't have a heel,
right?
That's definitely a raccoon.
One, two, three, four, five,
that's an obvious
raccoon footprint,
so these are not caused
by any spirit of a child.
These are definitely
caused by an animal.
These are debunked.
Just as we are beginning
to feel
as though there are no spirits
in our presence,
something happens that shifts
our entire perspective.
Aaron?
-Yeah?
Watch, watch, watch.
Who are you?
I just saw you.
Do you know
that you generate light?
Do I look like light to you?
Did you just move?
-No.
Do you know
that you generate light?
Do I look like light to you?
Did you just move?
-No.
-I see you.
-I see you!
Oh, my God, dude,
it says I see you.
-Did you just move?
-No.
-I see you.
-I see you.
You can totally hear it,
it goes, "I see you."
-Did you just move?
-No.
AARON: It's only when
you react to the light.
It goes, "I see you."
Listen.
-Did you just move?
-No.
-Crystal clear.
-Crystal clear.
It goes, "I see you."
We capture a second EVP
and this time,
it's a full sentence.
Only we can't make out
the last word, can you?
What is that?
Listen.
That's crazy.
-What is it saying?
It's muffled.
-Yeah.
Crazy.
I'm literally frozen
right now.
BILLY: I know.
There's more than just birds
in there, Jay.
Oh, my God, dude.
What was that?
There was three knocks.
Did you hear that?
It was like,
"Dang, dang, dang."
There's more than just birds
in there, Jay.
Oh, my God.
There was three distinct knocks.
Did you hear it?
We had scratches,
sulfur smell,
growls
and now three knocks.
This is not adding up
to a good thing.
It's not adding up
to a bunch of kids
that are trapped here.
-No.
-I'm sure that they are.
We have not found
the kids yet.
Right now we're coming
in contact
with stuff
that we can feel it.
-It's dark.
-It's evil and dark.
It makes the hair on the back
of your neck just stand up.
What did you see, Jay?
Jay, what was that?
I saw it standing
right next to me.
We're all right,
we're okay.
Hold on.
ZAK: Absolutely terrified,
Jay and Billy head
to the abandoned pool,
where they begin hearing
children's voices,
only they aren't captured
on the camera's audio,
but that's about to change.
Take this moment to turn up
the volume on your speakers
and prepare to listen closely.
-Could you hear the kid?
-Yeah, clear as day.
It was like a ¶ Ahh ¶
-Right.
-Kind of singing sound.
[ Girl singing ]
Kind of singing sound.
Zak, come in,
Zak, come in.
What's up?
Jay and I are literally,
like, glued to each other
scared, shaking,
because we just heard
a little kid
singing a nursery rhyme
plain as day.
We heard it with our own ears,
both of us did.
-Where are you at?
-We're over here in the gym.
It's too much to tell you
over the walkie,
I'm just telling you
right now,
but there are
little kids' voices.
All right, we're running
over there right now.
Where's the gym?
Be careful when you come
in the gym, dude.
AARON: I think it's straight
and to the right.
Let's go.
I know they're scared,
but do we got to run?
It ain't like it was
10 years ago.
You can definitely tell we're
getting older, huh, Aaron?
-This place is no joke.
-Dude, right there in the pool.
Look, it's moving,
it's moving.
My God.
ZAK: Billy and Jay
just captured what appears
to be the sound
of children's spirits
here in the pool area.
We just heard
a little kid
singing a nursery rhyme
plain as day.
Aaron and I quickly make
our way over to the gymnasium.
Hello?
BILLY: We don't know
what you guys experienced.
Jay and I have experienced
nothing but darkness.
We're beside
ourselves right now.
I heard it first,
Jay didn't.
I was in there where
the shower rooms are.
Little kid goes,
¶ Na na na na na ¶
Like hide-and-go-seek
and I went, "What?"
It scared me,
so I came out here,
and then
it happened again.
We both heard it.
I know
it's caught on camera.
Kind of singing sound.
This place is no joke.
So what we were just about to do
is try and make contact.
It sounded like
a little girl, right?
Where are you, little girl?
You need to take that
inside that room, like,
the girl's shower room
and the shower
and then in the gymnasium
because there is something
either in the gymnasium
or in that shower.
It was right in Jay's face.
-That's just crazy, dude.
AARON: We didn't have that level
of activity over there.
If you do this,
I think that --
-Oh, God.
-What was that, dude?
JAY: Hey, hey.
That was something
really heavy.
It sounded like
a ball bouncing honestly.
-What was that?
-Dude, right there.
ZAK: Look in the pool,
look in the pool right there.
-What is that?
-That's the ball.
-Where did that come from?
-That ball was not there.
The camera's rolling.
This one is right here.
This thing right here
is shooting this whole area.
ZAK:
All of a sudden, we hear
a ball hit
the opposite end of the pool.
None of us know
where this ball came from.
We are all
absolutely speechless.
It isn't until
we analyze the video
and brighten the picture
that we realize the ball
actually rolled out
of this back room towards us.
That's unbelievable.
AARON: Can you even get down
there in that area
or is it just
full of water?
That's weird.
Little girl --
You heard a little girl,
right?
-Yeah.
-Yes.
ZAK: Little girl,
can you move this ball?
[ Gasps ] It just moved
when you said that.
Keep moving it.
Look, it's moving,
it's moving.
-No way.
-Oh, my God.
-Are you serious?
-Keep moving it.
-How the hell is it moving?
-It was just sitting still.
Keep moving it.
ZAK: I immediately grab
the Ovilus III device
to see if this little girl
will communicate through it.
Carol.
-Carol!
-Carol.
-Get out of here!
-You serious?
ZAK:
As I'm walking down this ladder,
I get the name of a girl
named Carol.
That's insane.
Is that your name, Carol?
It's probably the girl
who was singing the song.
What did it say?
-Laugh.
-Laugh.
It says laugh.
Here, Aaron, get it.
Twist.
Laugh.
I got it, twist.
Zak, you're all
twisted right now.
Yeah.
You're trying
to show me.
I'm all twisted up.
She's laughing at you.
She's laughing at me
for being all twisted up
on the ladder.
-Exactly.
Carol, are you laughing at me?
Cleansing.
Cleansing. Carol, is this
cleansing you,
laughing, looking at me
all twisted up on the ladder?
This is some of
the most amazing evidence
we have ever captured on a
Ghost Adventures investigation.
Jay and Billy heard
Carol's voice...
...then we all witnessed
a mysterious ball appear
out of nowhere
and it also seems
to move on command.
Can you move this ball?
It just moved
when you said that.
It just moved.
Keep moving it.
It's moving, it's moving.
Next, this little girl
identifies herself...
...and she also laughs
at my posture
as I'm all twisted
up on the ladder.
We came here to witness
these spirits
but we leave knowing,
that our presence
has also helped them.
Carol, is this cleansing you?
Let's go
in the gymnasium.
Yeah, yeah.
There is more horse poop
on this property,
like, seriously
every four steps,
there's just land mines.
Before I die, there will be
a lot of bull [bleep]
too, I'm sure.
[ Laughter ]
Don't print that.
The Twin Bridges Orphanage...
CHILD: I want my mommy.
Do you believe
in the darker side of hauntings?
I think there are spirits
out there.
I've seen them.
[ Children laughing ]
ZAK: Were you
and the other kids
in fear
of getting a beating?
Oh, of course.
[ Thwack! ]
AARON: Come out, come out,
wherever you are.
[ Thudding ]
Aah!
Look in the pool.
-What is that, dude?
Look, it's moving!
It's moving!
ZAK:
There are things in this world
that we will never
fully understand.
[ Distorted ] Understand.
[ Echoing ] We want answers.
We have worked years to build
our credibility, our reputation,
working alongside
the most renowned professionals
in the field,
capturing groundbreaking proof
of the paranormal.
It's working!
I can't give you
an explanation.
[ Birds cawing ]
This is our evidence...
our ghost adventures.
Look at the fog all up
on top of the mountains.
We are
in the middle of nowhere.
We are in Montana.
We know that.
But we are
trying to find
a very little, tiny town
called Twin Bridges.
AARON: Is this not like
Silent Hill driving up?
It's just eerie.
ZAK: We are in search
of an abandoned orphanage
with a sometimes brutal history.
Whoa!
Look at that.
-Wow.
-Damn.
ZAK: The Twin Bridges
Orphanage opened in 1894.
It cared for over
5,000 unfortunate souls
before closing its doors
in 1975.
How long have you
owned this place?
ADAMS: Since 2005.
This is a bit of
a kind of challenge for us
as I said
when we were driving in,
because nobody has
ever investigated this.
We don't really have people
to tell us evidence
they've captured
or spirits here.
Do you keep this place
kind of guarded from everybody?
-Kind of, yeah.
-Are you protective of it?
I am. I feel like
a caretaker of it, so...
Yeah, and that's part
of the reason I haven't --
I worry about when you guys
go away, you know,
if you do find things
that are disturbing.
Why would you worry?
Just that we'd be left
to deal with it.
Uh-huh.
So you're --
I'm glad, no, listen --
That's been
my biggest hesitation ever.
Well, I'm glad that
you're open about this.
We just want to try
to communicate, okay?
Are you okay?
-Uh-huh. Yeah.
ZAK: Leslie clearly
is emotionally connected
to the spirits
of orphans who linger here.
Do you believe
in the darker side of hauntings?
Are you religious?
Do you believe in angels
and demons and stuff?
I think there's spirits
out there.
I've seen them
and have experienced them.
And while they can be
frightening, you know,
here there
are kids singing
and that's the kind
of experiences I've had.
[ Child humming ]
Where do you hear
that at?
It tends to be when
I'm alone in places.
-In the buildings?
-In the buildings, yeah.
[ Children singing
indistinctly ]
ZAK: Noel Freedman grew up here
as an orphan.
He is author of the book
"Dumped,"
a memoir of his time here.
Why were you sent here?
What happened
with your family?
FREEDMAN: My mother went
to the state for help
and they wouldn't
help her.
So one day, we went
into the state capital,
and my mother said,
"You kids sit here
on the granite steps.
If anybody asks what
you're doing here,
you tell them I said
the state was babysitting."
CHILD'S VOICE: "By lunch,
people started asking
what the kids
were doing here.
'Did you kids eat?'
'No.'
'You got money?'
'No.'
The children were placed
in the Montana
State Orphans Home."
Were you ever
scared being here?
Just I wanted
to get out.
You just wanted
to get out.
Yeah, well, you know,
everybody was crying
to get out.
Why were they crying
to get out?
They missed their
mommy and daddy.
Yeah.
[ Children talking
indistinctly ]
[ Chalk scraping
on chalkboard ]
Would kids ever die
on the property?
Yes, I do remember
a child
that did die here
that got kicked by a horse.
-Really?
-She got out into a field.
So she got kicked in
the face by a horse?
Oh, yes, she got out there
or stepped on.
She was dead anyway, you know,
killed out here.
There was always diseases
going on.
-Right.
-Communicable diseases.
Did you have
to be quarantined ever?
-Oh, yeah.
-You did?
Well, I mean, the whole place
would be shut down.
There would be
a quarantine sign
on the outside
for people coming
that said "Quarantined."
That meant keep out.
ZAK: A former staff member
of the orphanage reports
there were 30 headstones
of buried orphans
in the fields here
and somehow they have
mysteriously disappeared,
leaving a recipe
for innocent souls
who have not only lost
their mommies and daddies,
but have lost
their own identities.
Now, from all these buildings,
where did you live?
This would be the first
building I went in.
-This is?
-Yeah.
The kids that wet the bed
would put their sheets
on the radiator
and dry them
so they wouldn't get
a whipping for wetting the bed.
Do you believe that
physical beatings
was right to do here
at the orphanage?
As a child, I thought maybe
that was how they cured it.
I found out
that it didn't work
because they still wet
the bed.
That matron come out enraged
with her whip
and down she'd come
and it wet the bed,
and the kid would turn over
and whip the kid
and then on to the next.
[ Thwack! ]
And this is really
the God's truth.
Were you
and the other kids
constantly in fear
of getting a beating?
Oh, of course.
CHILD'S VOICE: "It's my mother's
birthday today.
This morning, it was cold out,
so when I came downstairs,
I got by the radiator.
Horbes came down and hit me
with the hose."
The hose doesn't make
any noise, but it does hurt,
but you can't scream
because you hurt so bad,
so they had to hit harder
to get a rise out of you.
ZAK: As we set up our next
interview, storm clouds roll in
as if the restless souls
of the orphans
are crying out to us.
All right, let's go.
Janie Wasmann was employed
by the orphanage in the 1970's.
Did the kids ever get out
of line
where you had
to give them a whooping?
I can't tell you what I did
to the one kid.
[ Laughs ]
Why can't you tell me?
We had cafeteria duty
and he was supposed
to clean the toilets
and he didn't want to,
and he'd go [sighs]
[ Sighs ]
I said, "You do that
one more time,
and I'm shoving your head
in that toilet bowl"
and by God, I did.
I never heard him go
[sighs] ever again.
[ Laughing ]
[ Toilet flushes ]
You shoved his head
in a toilet bowl?
Yeah,
and I flushed it.
Do you think any of the kids
were ever killed here?
Yes, I do.
-You do?
-Yes, I do.
All we had to do was
backhand them
and they'd fall down the stairs,
bang, we lost one more.
ZAK:
To hear a former matron
laugh about
inflicting child abuse
as punishment for
a simple gesture disturbs me.
Could violent behavior
like this
be the cause
of such unrest here?
I've lived in Montana
since 2000.
I was originally born
in Calispell.
Kurtiss Mathias
is good friends with Leslie,
owner of the orphanage.
I stopped
at the basketball court
or hoop area
and what I was looking at
was a bunch of kids
playing basketball,
but they weren't --
they weren't flesh.
[ Children laughing ]
It wasn't flesh and bone
I was looking at.
I was looking at definitely
something different.
[ Thunder rumbles ]
[ Laughter ]
-Do you come in here at night?
-No.
-Why?
-Just not looking for trouble.
ZAK: So it could be
scary here at night?
Mm-hmm.
This room over here,
they taught girls
how to sew.
This is really
interesting here.
There's something
I have with mirrors,
especially when they're still
standing in the exact spot
where these children were.
I always believe
that these mirrors
absorb the images
and the moments
of every single time that child
looked at their own
reflection in them.
This is what you use
when you create,
um, what's the name of that,
a psychomanteum.
But I'll tell you right now,
I strongly believe
and I can even feel it,
standing in between
these mirrors
that there is something
in between these mirrors
like a doorway
or something right here.
I feel like a charge of energy,
electricity right here.
We immediately grab our gear
and return to the sewing room
to investigate
whatever is causing
the intense energy there.
Definitely getting spikes
over here.
It's going off
nonstop over here.
AARON: For real?
Listen, right
in this area, too.
Oh, yeah.
You can hear this
is just going nuts.
What's the milligauss?
0.7, 0.9.
MAN: It's going up?
0.8, yes, around --
we just had a spike.
And you're not moving,
you're just in the same spot.
-Did you get it, Jay?
-Yeah, I got it.
Now it's down to 0.3,
4.7, 1.0.
-What?
-Seriously?
ZAK: 0.9.
We just had a massive
4.7 milligauss spike
for no reason whatsoever,
right by the mirror
where I was feeling
all the energy earlier.
-Nothing on thermal.
-Let me see that.
-Here.
-Document that spike,
hold onto that.
AARON: "Electric."
Right when I walk to the
mirrors, it said electric.
Like your Mel meter
was going off.
It says electric right
when I walk this area.
ZAK: I know, but
what's interesting
is it said electric
and when I went there,
how did I describe the feeling
that was in there?
-Oh, yeah.
-Electric, I said electricity.
I feel a charge of energy,
electricity right here.
We have enough evidence
right now to show
that there
are unexplained readings
and unexplained things going on,
paranormal, inside here.
There could possibly
be bodies in here.
ZAK: There are little kids
that are unknown.
I want to connect
with their spirits.
You know, we were told
by Leslie
that it hasn't rained here
in a very long time
and just when we show up,
this rain begins to fall.
And it just feels
like these raindrops are
like the tears of the orphans
that came here
and lost their families,
they lost everything.
I was able to find something
that was written by a former
orphan who is now deceased,
but right before he died,
he wrote this in 2014.
"Both of my parents died
when I was 7 years old
and I was taken
to the orphanage in 1932
and was there for four years.
The matron was Ms. Hyman.
She would give each of us
a whipping about
five times per week.
All of us boys would cry
except Robert,
who never let a peep out.
Once this made her so angry
that she said, 'I'll keep this
up until you cry.'
After whipping Robert
for a long time,
he finally said a groaning.
That was the only time
I heard her laugh."
All of my thoughts that
I've ever had as a small child
were always good,
were always positive
and it pains me to read
these type of quotes
that were given by old men
who still remember
nothing but negativity.
He survived and he lived
a very long time,
but all the children
that didn't survive,
they died here.
Those atrocities combined
with the emotions
of these children,
the sadness...
...could very well welcome
things here to these buildings
that are still feeding off
of those residual emotions
that linger on here
in the shadows.
Leslie, the owner,
said one thing that
is sticking with me right now.
She loves this place,
she's protective of it,
but she won't go
in the buildings at night.
I want to find out why.
So, we just walked
around with Noel
and Noel just informed us
that there are
underground tunnels
that connect
all these buildings.
There are kids
that are buried
on the property here
in unmarked graves.
There could possibly
be bodies in here.
I'm sure nobody has been
in these tunnels for decades.
I want to see what's
in these tunnels.
Is that okay?
Yeah, okay.
So now, this is rolling
right now.
Be careful. It may be
the very last time I see you.
Any last words?
-It's been fun.
-That's good, Jay.
Just in case
if something does happen,
we're going
to remember you
and dedicate
this episode to you.
I'm just glad I'm nine years
deep in this
and I don't have to do that.
-I'm glad I'm 10 years deep.
I know, forget that.
ZAK: While Jay investigates
the tunnels,
Billy, Aaron and I head
to the Twin Bridges Cemetery
to pay our respects
to the many unfortunate children
who lost their lives
at the orphanage.
All these little children,
innocent spirits,
still living through torment
and suffering,
still living in fear
from the matrons
that used to beat them.
And if their captives
are still there,
keeping them there, then we want
to break that barrier.
Hello, children.
It's a little over
100 names on this plaque.
These are just
the documented orphans.
There's no telling
how many were undocumented.
I just feel that I have
to name every single name
just to let every child know
that they're not forgotten.
Matthew Adams, Max Andall,
Maxine Andall, Jack Anderson,
Nora Anderson,
Celas Anukas Armstrong,
John Raymond Arigoni,
Joseph Bet,
Glen Duck,
Marlan Brainwait,
Judson Gother,
Dorene Haskins,
Hubert Hattula...
...Dorene Haskins,
William Hicks,
Mary Joseph Johns,
Edward Moore,
Mable Norris,
John Mueller, Alfred Shaw.
...Delmar Post,
Mary Rask,
Walter Replogel...
...Alfred Schaad, Edgar Scholtz,
Wilfred Sheopherd,
Joseph Smith,
Frank Yochim.
There is a separate
name plaque here
that says "Those unknown."
Could you imagine?
There are little kids
that are unknown whose name
is not on this plaque,
whose bodies are buried
on the property there,
whose souls are still
wandering those halls.
I want to know the unknown.
I want to connect
with their spirits.
This is why we're
in Twin Bridges.
Hello, children.
AARON: I heard
something, Zak.
BILLY: Jay, Jay, Jay.
Oh, my God.
Okay, it's time.
We are
in the middle of Montana
and this is
how I really absolutely love it.
I love it like this when
we're just stranded,
there's nobody around,
nobody to help us
and there's a huge iron
gate, Bill, to lock us in.
This property
is absolutely massive.
How many acres is it?
-100 acres.
-And multiple buildings
of this orphanage.
We are here to try and help
these little children.
There are so many deaths here
and there are so many
mysterious circumstances
surrounding some unnamed bodies
that are apparently buried
on the property
and I think --
-Some documented, some not.
-Right and I think that has
a lot to do with the spirits
that are here.
Because this orphanage
contains
so many abandoned buildings,
Billy and Jay make their way
over to investigate
the gymnasium
while Aaron and I focus
our attention
on the oldest building,
a castle.
AARON: Let me just show you
what we're entering --
pitch blackness.
Hello, children.
Little children,
do you hear my voice?
You're safe with me.
We just want to say hi,
get to know you.
Lookit,
I brought some toys.
Do you like toys?
[ Speaking indistinctly ]
What was that?
I heard something,
Zak.
Before entering the gymnasium,
Jay and Billy decide
to set up this
thermal-imaging camera
covering the grounds
as the spirits of children
are often seen playing outside.
Oh, my God,
Jay, Jay, Jay.
No, no, no.
A black figure just
came straight across.
Straight across.
-Are you serious?
Yes.
It came straight at me.
I can see it through
the light through the ceiling.
A black shadow just rushed up to
the door and then bellowed back.
I saw it with my own eyes.
ZAK: After Billy sees this dark
shadow figure in the gymnasium
with his own eyes,
a strange light anomaly appears
to come out
of the gym towards them,
then it does a sharp u-turn
and heads right back inside.
BILLY:
Who's in there?
Could this light anomaly,
which we debunk
as not being a bug,
be the same figure that Billy
just saw,
only now it's showing itself
as a ball of light
in the infrared spectrum?
I was looking through
my camera
and saw this dark-figure thing
rush up like that.
You could hear the floor.
I'm not doing so well.
I haven't even made it in there.
ZAK: Aaron and I continue
using trigger objects
with the intention of showing
the little children
that we are not here
to hurt them.
[ Music box playing music ]
AARON:
Did you like that?
If you liked that,
can you applaud
or say yes out loud?
-Who is in here?
-Jay, what was that?
It sounds like scratching.
AARON: Come out, come out,
wherever you are.
[ Thudding ]
Aah!
ZAK: The night is still young
as Aaron and I head upstairs
here at the Twin Bridges
Orphanage.
Who's in there?
Who's in here?
AARON:
Those are footsteps.
All of a sudden, Aaron
and I begin
hearing all kinds of loud noises
coming from inside this room,
which begs the question,
what is in here with us?
[ Clattering ]
Oh, my God.
Whoa.
What was that?
[ Clattering continues ]
Aah!
Pigeons.
[ Laughing ]
A pigeon.
Oh, my God.
Sorry to laugh, but...
What we thought were footsteps
and smashing noises
were actually
just plain old pigeons.
Aah!
[ Slow-motion ] Aah!
Those are debunked.
After Billy sees
a dark figure lunge at him,
he and Jay leave a basketball
in that exact same spot
to see if the figure
will move it
while they move on
to investigate another building.
BILLY: Hello?
Is there anybody in here?
There's a lot of
little rooms back there.
It's weird, man.
[ Clattering ]
Did you hear that?
Jay, what was that?
-Sounded like scratching.
-Where did it come from?
-This back room.
It's drawing us back in.
I don't like that
at all, do you?
-It was like scratching.
-I heard it.
BILLY: What? What?
What did you see?
I don't know it just darted
across the two rooms.
It went right
across the hallway.
-Was it dark?
-No, it was a light
just shot across
from the one room --
-On your camera?
-On the camera.
ZAK: Right after Jay hears
scratching noises
come from this direction,
he sees something on his camera
that causes him to freak out.
Watch very closely as
these dual light anomalies
move in tandem
with each other.
This compelling evidence
is a rare capture
that validates our belief
that these light anomalies
are visual
representations of spirits.
-On your camera?
-On the camera.
Hold on, hold on.
Projection.
-Projection?
Did you just
project yourself for Jay?
Are you trying
to communicate with us?
Hold on.
Hide.
It says hide.
Do we hide or are you
trying to hide?
Dude, maybe it's...
Hold on, hold on, Jay.
We've got to get ahold
of ourself. Hold on.
That scratching
and that light.
It says return.
It wants us
to return back there.
ZAK: Jay and Billy instinctively
take this message
as a command to return
to the gymnasium
where something is about
to shake both of them
to their inner cores.
AARON: We're playing a game
called hide-and-seek
and what we're trying to do
is find you.
So you've got to show
yourself real quick
and then we've got to come
and tag you, all right?
Come out, come out,
wherever you are.
What was she called,
the matron?
This would be
where she chilled.
What? What?
I'm going
on night vision.
Oh, my God, dude,
look!
Look at that.
There are little
kid's voices.
All right, we're running
over there right now.
Oh, my God!
ZAK: It's almost midnight here
in Montana,
as we discover footprints
in the orphanage's main
building.
AARON: Oh, my God,
dude, look!
Look at that.
Look, they go straight
to the window.
As Aaron and I are looking
at these fresh footprints
that appear
in the center of the room
and lead to the window,
we examine them
even closer and discover
that they are not
paranormal after all.
No, that's an animal.
It doesn't have a heel,
right?
That's definitely a raccoon.
One, two, three, four, five,
that's an obvious
raccoon footprint,
so these are not caused
by any spirit of a child.
These are definitely
caused by an animal.
These are debunked.
Just as we are beginning
to feel
as though there are no spirits
in our presence,
something happens that shifts
our entire perspective.
Aaron?
-Yeah?
Watch, watch, watch.
Who are you?
I just saw you.
Do you know
that you generate light?
Do I look like light to you?
Did you just move?
-No.
Do you know
that you generate light?
Do I look like light to you?
Did you just move?
-No.
-I see you.
-I see you!
Oh, my God, dude,
it says I see you.
-Did you just move?
-No.
-I see you.
-I see you.
You can totally hear it,
it goes, "I see you."
-Did you just move?
-No.
AARON: It's only when
you react to the light.
It goes, "I see you."
Listen.
-Did you just move?
-No.
-Crystal clear.
-Crystal clear.
It goes, "I see you."
We capture a second EVP
and this time,
it's a full sentence.
Only we can't make out
the last word, can you?
What is that?
Listen.
That's crazy.
-What is it saying?
It's muffled.
-Yeah.
Crazy.
I'm literally frozen
right now.
BILLY: I know.
There's more than just birds
in there, Jay.
Oh, my God, dude.
What was that?
There was three knocks.
Did you hear that?
It was like,
"Dang, dang, dang."
There's more than just birds
in there, Jay.
Oh, my God.
There was three distinct knocks.
Did you hear it?
We had scratches,
sulfur smell,
growls
and now three knocks.
This is not adding up
to a good thing.
It's not adding up
to a bunch of kids
that are trapped here.
-No.
-I'm sure that they are.
We have not found
the kids yet.
Right now we're coming
in contact
with stuff
that we can feel it.
-It's dark.
-It's evil and dark.
It makes the hair on the back
of your neck just stand up.
What did you see, Jay?
Jay, what was that?
I saw it standing
right next to me.
We're all right,
we're okay.
Hold on.
ZAK: Absolutely terrified,
Jay and Billy head
to the abandoned pool,
where they begin hearing
children's voices,
only they aren't captured
on the camera's audio,
but that's about to change.
Take this moment to turn up
the volume on your speakers
and prepare to listen closely.
-Could you hear the kid?
-Yeah, clear as day.
It was like a ¶ Ahh ¶
-Right.
-Kind of singing sound.
[ Girl singing ]
Kind of singing sound.
Zak, come in,
Zak, come in.
What's up?
Jay and I are literally,
like, glued to each other
scared, shaking,
because we just heard
a little kid
singing a nursery rhyme
plain as day.
We heard it with our own ears,
both of us did.
-Where are you at?
-We're over here in the gym.
It's too much to tell you
over the walkie,
I'm just telling you
right now,
but there are
little kids' voices.
All right, we're running
over there right now.
Where's the gym?
Be careful when you come
in the gym, dude.
AARON: I think it's straight
and to the right.
Let's go.
I know they're scared,
but do we got to run?
It ain't like it was
10 years ago.
You can definitely tell we're
getting older, huh, Aaron?
-This place is no joke.
-Dude, right there in the pool.
Look, it's moving,
it's moving.
My God.
ZAK: Billy and Jay
just captured what appears
to be the sound
of children's spirits
here in the pool area.
We just heard
a little kid
singing a nursery rhyme
plain as day.
Aaron and I quickly make
our way over to the gymnasium.
Hello?
BILLY: We don't know
what you guys experienced.
Jay and I have experienced
nothing but darkness.
We're beside
ourselves right now.
I heard it first,
Jay didn't.
I was in there where
the shower rooms are.
Little kid goes,
¶ Na na na na na ¶
Like hide-and-go-seek
and I went, "What?"
It scared me,
so I came out here,
and then
it happened again.
We both heard it.
I know
it's caught on camera.
Kind of singing sound.
This place is no joke.
So what we were just about to do
is try and make contact.
It sounded like
a little girl, right?
Where are you, little girl?
You need to take that
inside that room, like,
the girl's shower room
and the shower
and then in the gymnasium
because there is something
either in the gymnasium
or in that shower.
It was right in Jay's face.
-That's just crazy, dude.
AARON: We didn't have that level
of activity over there.
If you do this,
I think that --
-Oh, God.
-What was that, dude?
JAY: Hey, hey.
That was something
really heavy.
It sounded like
a ball bouncing honestly.
-What was that?
-Dude, right there.
ZAK: Look in the pool,
look in the pool right there.
-What is that?
-That's the ball.
-Where did that come from?
-That ball was not there.
The camera's rolling.
This one is right here.
This thing right here
is shooting this whole area.
ZAK:
All of a sudden, we hear
a ball hit
the opposite end of the pool.
None of us know
where this ball came from.
We are all
absolutely speechless.
It isn't until
we analyze the video
and brighten the picture
that we realize the ball
actually rolled out
of this back room towards us.
That's unbelievable.
AARON: Can you even get down
there in that area
or is it just
full of water?
That's weird.
Little girl --
You heard a little girl,
right?
-Yeah.
-Yes.
ZAK: Little girl,
can you move this ball?
[ Gasps ] It just moved
when you said that.
Keep moving it.
Look, it's moving,
it's moving.
-No way.
-Oh, my God.
-Are you serious?
-Keep moving it.
-How the hell is it moving?
-It was just sitting still.
Keep moving it.
ZAK: I immediately grab
the Ovilus III device
to see if this little girl
will communicate through it.
Carol.
-Carol!
-Carol.
-Get out of here!
-You serious?
ZAK:
As I'm walking down this ladder,
I get the name of a girl
named Carol.
That's insane.
Is that your name, Carol?
It's probably the girl
who was singing the song.
What did it say?
-Laugh.
-Laugh.
It says laugh.
Here, Aaron, get it.
Twist.
Laugh.
I got it, twist.
Zak, you're all
twisted right now.
Yeah.
You're trying
to show me.
I'm all twisted up.
She's laughing at you.
She's laughing at me
for being all twisted up
on the ladder.
-Exactly.
Carol, are you laughing at me?
Cleansing.
Cleansing. Carol, is this
cleansing you,
laughing, looking at me
all twisted up on the ladder?
This is some of
the most amazing evidence
we have ever captured on a
Ghost Adventures investigation.
Jay and Billy heard
Carol's voice...
...then we all witnessed
a mysterious ball appear
out of nowhere
and it also seems
to move on command.
Can you move this ball?
It just moved
when you said that.
It just moved.
Keep moving it.
It's moving, it's moving.
Next, this little girl
identifies herself...
...and she also laughs
at my posture
as I'm all twisted
up on the ladder.
We came here to witness
these spirits
but we leave knowing,
that our presence
has also helped them.
Carol, is this cleansing you?
Let's go
in the gymnasium.
Yeah, yeah.
There is more horse poop
on this property,
like, seriously
every four steps,
there's just land mines.
Before I die, there will be
a lot of bull [bleep]
too, I'm sure.
[ Laughter ]
Don't print that.