Catfish: The TV Show (2012–…): Season 8, Episode 6 - William & Jamie - full transcript
Akirra contacts Nev and Kamie for help to stop her bae's online ex, Jamie, from harassing her and her boyfriend William.
- Akirra's boyfriend, William,
needs to discover the truth
about who Jamie is.
- We've been talking
for around two years.
- Did you love her?
- Yeah, I loved her.
- This is your
transaction history.
Are you [bleep] kidding me?
This is a lot of money.
Does Akirra know about that?
- Akirra's upset.
- Bro, just get out of
my [bleep] face; just go.
- I think I see her.
Jamie?
- Oh, my [bleep] God.
[dramatic music]
- "I need your help."
"Help."
For almost a decade,
"Catfish" has brought
desperate hopefuls
the answers they deserve.
- Thank you guys so much
for bringing us together.
- This time around, though,
we flipped the script.
Now I'm heading out
with my cohost, Kamie.
- Who's ready to go fishing?
- We're helping people
who need us the most.
Let's do it.
Only they have no idea.
- She doesn't know
I reached out to you guys.
- Oh, my goodness.
- This season, we're being
tipped off by friends...
- I care about him a lot.
- Family...
- My brother's really
in love with her.
- And even anonymous sources.
Whoa.
- What?
- This is from
the whistle-blower.
Ride-or-dies
who will not sit back
while their loved ones
get played.
- ♪ Come on
and catch me now ♪
- Why can't we meet?
- Homey is getting played.
So many layers.
- 'Cause even when
you don't know it...
Chill, chill, chill.
- [bleep] him, man.
- Take a second.
- [exhales]
- "Catfish" has your back.
[dramatic musical sting]
- All right, there she is.
- Oh, no.
- Can't lay like that.
- I'm watching TV.
- I think that's weird.
- How do you watch TV?
- If you're gonna be on a bed,
then you go like this.
- How am I supposed to see it
when I don't have my
glasses on?
- First of all,
when did you become
an 80-year-old Southern woman?
- Yesterday.
[laughter]
- "I don't have my glasses on!"
- Anyway, if you're finished
watching "Hoarders,"
I thought we'd do something
a little different today.
Instead of reading the email
from the computer,
I could read it right here
on my phone.
- Why not?
- All right,
this one is from Akirra.
The subject is "A Catfish
is Ruining My Relationship."
"Hey, Nev and Kamie,
"Things are getting
out of hand.
And I realized you're the only
ones who can help."
- Probably.
- "My boyfriend William and I
"have been dating
for the past three months.
"We're completely in love.
"But recently,
a girl named Jamie
"has been blowing up his phone
constantly.
"When I asked William about it,
"he said he and Jamie
used to date online
"but out of respect for me,
William blocked her.
"But she's been messaging him
from other profiles.
"Can't get over him,
and is doing anything she can
"to stay in touch.
"With all this going on,
I decided to look into her.
"William believes
she's some sort of
"social media influencer,
because she has a ton
of followers..."
- Oh, God, no.
"But I saw her Twitter,
and it looked shady.
"It's clear to me
she isn't just a stalker ex.
"She's a catfish.
"And it's gotten even worse.
"I'm getting weird messages
from fake accounts,
"and they're freaking me out
and pissing me off.
"Jamie even told William
that he better watch out,
because she knows his address."
- ♪ Only your evil
will cut us down ♪
"I love William,
"but I don't know
what to do anymore.
"She's going to ruin
our relationship
"if we don't get her
out of our lives.
Thanks in advance,
Akirra."
- It sounds like William
is not doing a very good job
at keeping his ex at bay.
- She's infiltrating.
- Well, he tried to block her.
This girl is, like,
really butting her nose
in their business.
- Watch out?
- Right.
- I'm gonna show up
at your house?
She's a stalker.
- I'm nervous now.
All right, let's go.
Let's see if we can get Akirra
on Skype and find out a little
more about what's going on.
[Skype tone ringing]
Hello!
- Hey!
- What's up?
- How you guys doing?
- How are you?
- It's going good.
- Where are you from?
- I'm from King George,
Virginia.
- Hey, DMV.
I'm from Maryland.
- From Maryland?
- Yeah.
- How old are you, Akirra?
- I'm 19.
- And how old is William?
- William is 21.
He's the perfect guy.
I love him a lot.
- What's so great
about William?
- Everything,
like his laugh,
his personality, and the way
that he carries himself.
Like, we're really, really
in love.
But I was hoping you guys
could help me out because
I didn't know he was dating
a girl online
before him and I met.
And now, since she knows
that him and I are together,
and we're trying to progress,
it makes her angry.
- Wow.
- I had a hundred different
Instagrams messaging me like,
"Your boyfriend is a cheater.
He's not loyal to you."
And like...
- My God.
- And she'll try to use
my Instagram username
and sign in my account
and hit "Forgot Password"
so I'll get a hundred
notifications of like,
"Oh, we're sorry that you
can't get into your Instagram.
Maybe we can help you."
- Oh, my God.
- Oh, that would piss me off
like nothing else.
- This is a problem.
Like--this is a--
- Yeah.
- Now our relationship
is on the line.
She's in the way.
She has to go.
- Okay, he's not still
interested in having
any kind of communication
or friendship
or anything with her, is he?
- Um, see, I don't know.
I found them communicating
still after he had said
he blocked her.
- What?
- Where were they talking?
- They were talking on Paypal.
- Is that because
he sends her money?
- No. She sends him money.
- Oh. Well, no wonder
he doesn't want to let go.
- William has a sugar mama.
- Wow.
Does he know you
wrote in to us?
- He knows that I wrote
in to you guys,
but he's not, like, excited
with the fact that I did.
He's here, if you guys
want to talk to him.
- Yeah.
[footsteps]
[knocking on door]
- William.
- Open up.
- I'm on the phone
with "Catfish"
and they want to talk to you.
- Oh, man.
- [laughs]
- Get out here, Will.
- I can't believe
that you did this.
- [laughs]
- This is--
- Oh, man.
- We've been hearing a little
about this crazy story.
- She's cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs,
need a restraining order.
- No--
- Catfish.
- [laughs]
- I don't believe
she's a catfish
because of what she's doing.
Sending me money,
helping me out.
- Over the last two years,
how much money
do you think she's sent you?
- Thousands.
- Thousands.
What?
- Ain't feel good.
- Wow.
- You weren't sending anything
in exchange for this money,
because that's a different
kind of business.
- Dick pics.
- [giggles]
- The most important thing here
is that you guys are happy,
and this girl's doing a lot
to sort of mess that up.
- She's jealous.
- I feel like this girl's
jeopardizing our relationship,
- Right.
- So that's what makes me
interested in finding out,
because I wanna know.
- We gotta help you guys.
All right, so we'll meet
you guys in Virginia.
- DC.
- We're in DC now.
- Oh, you're--
okay, you're in DC now.
- DMV area.
- DMV, yeah.
- We'll see you guys soon.
- Bye.
both: Bye.
- Wow.
- I think William
wants a sugar mama.
- Money talks.
- The good news is
we're going to Maryland.
Yay!
[upbeat music]
♪ ♪
- All right, Maryland.
- Maryland.
- I like Akirra.
- I like Akirra.
- She's funny.
- She's with it.
- And she's keeping
him in check.
- All right, we're here.
- Hey.
- Hey, how you doing?
- Good, how are you?
- I'm doing good.
Nice to meet you.
- Nice to meet you, too.
I'm Kamie.
- What's up?
- How you doing?
- Oh, good.
- Could we all step in?
- Yeah, you don't have a coat.
Let's go. [bleep].
Thank you.
- Wait, where's
your girlfriend?
I don't really wanna talk
to you that much.
[laughter]
- We're here for Akirra.
- So let's get the story.
- Spill the tea.
- So me and Jamie,
we were talking for,
like, around two years.
She hit me up on Twitter.
Guess I liked her tweet,
and then that's when
she inboxed me.
She told me her name
is Jamie Gonzalez.
She retweets things for promos,
like money--
- So it's like,
if you pay me $5,
I'll post your picture
on my page.
- Yes.
- Like that.
Because she has a lot
of followers.
- Yeah. I wanted
to get to know who she was.
That's when I started
texting her,
talking to her on the phone.
- How often were
you guys talking?
- Every day.
She's a cool person.
She's caring, thoughtful,
she ain't a judgey person.
She had me hooked.
- Ooh.
Did you love her?
- Yeah, I loved her.
I cared about her.
At the time...
I told her I need help
money-wise.
That's when she was, like,
giving me money.
But when she was doing
the promo stuff
and things like that...
- Right.
- Her Paypal got suspended.
- Oh, wait a second.
- Oh.
- So people send her money
to help promote stuff,
and then you're just
getting random...
- Random money, like,
every day--
- Money from different
accounts.
- Yeah, some random person.
- Was there ever a conversation
where she was, like,
"Can you accept this
and then pay me?"
Or was it just like,
"Oh, you know what,
you just take it."
Like, you never had
an agreement.
- She supposedly was supposed
to sell her house
out in New York
to come live down here,
with me, for me.
But she kept making excuses.
I was getting tired
and frustrated with that,
so I moved on.
I told her, like, I can't
keep on doing this no more.
- I mean, this is weird.
- [laughs]
- I know; I know it's crazy.
- This is maybe the weirdest
[bleep] that I've ever heard.
Some random girl who says
she's in New York
tells all her clients
to pay you on Paypal
for the social media work
she's doing?
- Oh, [bleep], God!
- Oh.
- Hello, hi.
- Hey.
- What did I miss?
Sorry.
- You scared me!
- You made it. What's up?
- Nice to meet you.
- Hello.
- So, what did I miss, guys?
- The biggest thing
that kinda we cleared up
was this money thing.
- It's crazy. You know,
you wouldn't be, like,
expecting someone to do that.
Like, it's weird,
and it's strange.
- How many different accounts,
do you think,
have sent you money?
- Man, more than 50.
- You have your Paypal
transaction history.
We can look at it, right?
I'd like to see that.
Wow. Oh, my God.
- Look at all those scrolls
you're doing.
- [laughs]
- You're gonna break his thumb.
Holy [bleep].
- He doesn't believe
this is a catfish.
- Okay, so wait a second. So...
- There we go.
- Jamie Aronofsky, $90.
- I thought her last name
was Gonzalez.
- Right.
- Is she Buttercup Gonzalez?
- Yeah, that's what she was
calling herself.
That's how I met her.
- Wait, so she sent you $90
a lot of times.
- Keep adding up.
- Jesus, $60.
$100!
$50, $70, $40.
Are you [bleep] kidding me?
Don't break up with this girl.
[laughter]
This is the best thing
you've got going.
- Thank you.
- For reals.
- Akirra, get outta here!
[laughter]
Why are you messing this up?
- Thank you. Thank you!
[laughter]
- Oh, my God.
This is a lot of money, man.
Jeez, we're still in May.
Dawnee, 5 bucks. Jeju, 5
bucks. Sarah, 5 bucks.
There's a lot of these.
Holy [bleep].
You have a $15 pending payment.
- He doesn't care,
he's getting money every day.
- He doesn't even care.
This is crazy.
- In Paypal messages,
it says I owe 5K.
- Oh, she requested $5,000.
- That was around the time
when I actually
broke it off with her.
Yeah, because she--
- She said,
"Pay back my money
or it's a be a problem."
- That's when Akirra told me
to block her
on Instagram and Twitter.
That's when she contacted me
on Paypal.
- "I helped you over two years,
and this is what
you do to me?"
She sends you a request for
$6.5 million?
- [laughs]
- And then said,
"Don't keep [bleep]
playing with me!"
- That's when the messages
started rolling to me
with the disrespect.
- Right.
- And she's, like,
"Your man's a cheater.
You need to check him."
If you guys wanna see it,
we could take a look.
- Sure.
Here, Kamie, switch with me.
- All right.
- Now I see it.
- There's a whole bunch
of them.
- Okay, so she said...
So this is clearly Jamie.
- Yeah.
- But from a different account.
- Sounds like something
a guy would say.
- I know it ain't a man
for sure.
We can bet on that.
- You gotta
take this seriously.
Like, you got to be very
cautious here.
I mean you could say,
"Oh, my God,
this guy hacked my Paypal.
"He's been stealing
all my money,
go [bleep] him up."
You don't know.
All right, well, let's just see
if we can figure it out.
- Send us all the stuff.
- Okay.
- What kind of rabbit hole
y'all got us going down?
- Good to see you guys.
- See you tomorrow.
Bye.
Man, oh man.
- This might be one of the
crazier catfish stories
we've ever had.
- I don't even know
where to begin.
- I mean,
Akirra is on top of it.
- Oh, yeah.
Because she's not living
in the fantasy land
that William's living in.
- He's in serious denial.
- You ready?
- I'm ready.
- Okay.
William meets Jamie online,
they become friends.
She starts sending him money.
I mean, it's weird.
- Yeah.
- But she was very generous,
and just said, like,
"Oh, let me help you,
let me help you,
let me help you."
- Mm-hmm.
- Eventually, they become
kind of an item.
Try to meet up,
never happens.
After almost two years,
finally William decides, like,
"If I'm never gonna meet you,
I gotta start dating
someone else."
- Mm-hmm.
- William meets Akirra.
They start dating.
Immediately, Jamie freaks out,
starts suggesting
that he should pay her back,
and harassing him.
Then she starts
bothering and harassing Akirra.
- Mm-hmm.
- Messaging her from
lots of weird accounts.
- Scary.
- All right, let's get into it.
We got an email.
"Hey guys, thanks for helping.
"Her name is Jamie Gonzalez.
"She's 22 and lives
in New York.
"Here's her number.
"Here's her Instagram,
@eyebuttersyrup.
"Here's her Twitter account."
- Okay.
- "Here's my Paypal login."
Ooh.
- Yes, we need it.
- Great.
And here are some photos
that he attached.
Let's just start
with the pictures.
Yeah, here we go.
No, no.
No direct hit on that one.
Let's try the second one.
Nope, no hit.
Try this next picture.
Just need one hit.
Okay, no.
- Damn.
- Let's see what happens
if we go to her Instagram.
Well, here's her account.
24,000 followers,
but no posts?
- Right.
- What?
This photo is not even close
to the same girl.
- Right. So what is she,
just buying followers?
- Probably.
You can buy followers
on any website.
- Who's she following?
Is that William?
- @willgetpaiddd?
Yeah, we know.
both: That's him.
- [laughs]
- That's pretty funny.
- Oh, my God.
- Let's see if we can
find anything
on her Twitter account.
Wow, 70,000 followers.
Yeah, I guess she just
sort of...
- Posts travel stuff.
You're buying--
- Right.
- This is, like,
clearly bought followers.
- Right.
So weird.
The only thing left now
is her phone number.
Let's do a little phone search
here on this phone number.
Steven Aronofsky.
Didn't we see
"Aronofsky" somewhere?
- Paypal.
- Yes!
- The Paypal, the original
Paypal transaction.
- That's where we saw it.
- Yeah.
- Yes, it was.
Let's look.
Here's William's
Paypal account.
Let's go to Activity.
Look, Jamie Aronofsky.
- Wow.
I think that's her name.
- Right.
God, there's a lot.
These are all on one day.
Every day, dozens.
And the whole thing to me
just doesn't make any sense.
Why would some impersonator
just willfully start sending
thousands of dollars?
To some guy they don't
ever plan on even meeting?
- When he was telling
the story,
it felt like something
was missing.
- Yeah.
Anyway, all right.
The fact that the phone number
goes to a Steven Aronofsky
and the original transaction
was from a Jamie Aronofsky,
pretty much suggests
that her last name
is probably Aronofsky.
- Mm-hmm.
- Steven Aronofsky.
Either that's her dad,
or she is daddy,
if you know what I'm saying.
- My God.
- All right, let's just see
what other sites
come back with.
'Cause sometimes
you get different stuff
on different sites
for phone numbers.
Jamie Aronofsky.
All right, let's view details.
- Born November, 1993, age 25.
- Wow.
And here's an address.
Medford, New York.
May also be known as
Jamie L. Aronofsky.
Oh, a picture?
- [gasps]
- Who's that?
It's got a Jamie nametag.
Two social networks connected.
[gasps]
- Jamie A.
[gasps]
This is her.
- Guess this is her.
'Cause the phone number
traces to her,
her name is Jamie A.
We have an address.
Based on the fact that
her Paypal name
in the beginning
was Jamie Aronofsky,
phone number comes back
to either Steven
or Jamie Aronofsky,
there's a Facebook page
with a girl who lives
in New York.
We should go show this
to William and Akirra,
see what they think.
- Yeah.
- And I think meeting her
is the only way he's ever
gonna be able to move on...
- Agreed.
- And be with Akirra.
- Agreed.
- And get her to stop
messing with them.
[upbeat music]
♪ ♪
[knocking]
- Hello, there.
- Hello.
- Hey.
- How you guys doing today?
We can sit over here, guys.
- Okay.
- It's cozy in here.
- Ah.
Any new developments?
- No new Paypal requests?
- Mm-mm.
- Nope, anything.
- All right, so look.
We've been obviously
talking about what reason
Jamie would have
for sending you all that money.
You met her,
you started talking.
You mentioned
that you were tight on cash.
- Yes.
- But did she ever
actively talk about having
lots of money?
- She was talking about
a lot of money, just--
she used to, like, talk about
sex and stuff like that.
And, like...
- So, well,
that's what makes me wonder.
Like, was she paying you
for sexual favors?
- No.
That was not in our agreement.
We had an agreement.
Me and her had an agreement.
- An understanding.
- Mm-hmm.
- I talk to you
and give you attention,
and you give me money.
- Right.
- Yeah.
That's--thank you.
- That's called
an escort service.
- Well.
- And you could have
a real business with this.
- You could be a gigolo.
- A gigolo?
What's a gigolo?
- It's a male escort.
- It's what you're doing.
- Yeah, you're like
a virtual gigolo.
- You understand
that it's weird, right?
- Yeah, it's very weird.
- From an outsider--
the fact that you met
some sort of
random person online
who lived far away.
Like, you knew she was falling
in love with you.
- Yeah, I knew she was falling
in love with me.
- And did you ever feel
kinda bad taking the money?
- Nope.
She gave me the blueprint
to do that, so I kept--
It got even bigger.
First, it started
$20, $50, $60, $70.
You know, kept going up.
Up and up.
And I was loving it.
I was in love with that.
- So do you really think
you were in love with her
or in love with what
she was providing you with?
- Even though it wasn't
her thing,
she always kept saying
you want to do for me.
I guess on her side,
she thought we, you know,
genuinely, like,
in a relationship.
- But you said yesterday
you really did care for Jamie.
She really cared for you.
You really thought
that was going to be something.
- Akirra,
do you wanna go outside
and have some girl talk?
- Yeah, that's fine.
- Okay, cool.
Let's go in the car.
I'm trying to be warm.
Like, yesterday,
obviously, you know,
William was saying that
he was, like,
in love with this girl,
and like,
that's the reason why
he kept the relationship going.
But now,
he's making it seem like
it's all about money.
- It's about the money, yeah.
- Like, for one second--
- Does he think that's what
you wanna hear?
Maybe that's why
he's saying that?
- I think so.
I guess he's trying
to protect my feelings
but, like, he admitted to me
that he was still in love
with this girl
and that's when
I was definitely, like--
- Still in love with her now?
- Yeah.
- All right. So, okay.
Real talk,
guy to guy.
- Guy to guy.
- If you were given
the choice right now
between Jamie and Akirra...
- Mm-hmm.
- And Jamie was everything
she said she was,
- Yeah.
- I imagine that
would be hard for you.
- Jamie, she genuinely
cared and loved me
by sending me money
to help me,
lifting me up
when I needed it.
But things just didn't go
how we planned.
- Right.
- Akirra is what Jamie
was supposed to have been.
- Clearly, this is not
just about the money.
- That's when I was like,
"If you do find out
"if you do find out
who this person is,
"and, like, y'all wanna
move on together,
then I'm fine just being
your friend."
And that's when
he was, like,
"I wanna be with you.
"There's nothing
that she can do."
But I'm just
sitting here confused,
like, what's really going on?
- Right.
- What's really gonna happen?
- Looking kinda shady, yeah.
- Would you say that you're
prepared to leave him?
- Yeah.
Moving on ain't hard.
I'm pretty, young.
Like, I have a car,
I graduated high school,
like, very smart.
- I feel like you're
not going to get
the 100% honest truth
about this unless he meets her.
- Exactly.
- I had it rough growing up.
Ain't had everything
I wanted,
couldn't get everything
I wanted,
everything that I ever
wanted or needed.
Jamie provided that for me.
I never had nobody
in my life--
my mother, my father--
none of them did, like,
so much what Jamie did for me.
- Does Akirra know about that?
- We're back.
Just a little man-hating,
you know.
The usual.
- [laughs]
- All right, so look.
Enough chit-chat.
And I don't wanna
waste too much time.
So let's just--
we'll walk you through it.
We did a search
for the phone number.
The first one
came back registered
to Steven Aronofsky.
We went into your Paypal.
When she started
sending you money,
it was coming from
Jamie Aronofsky.
But this guy obviously
is a guy, he's 61,
so we thought,
okay, maybe it's her dad.
It's a New York,
Long Island phone number.
So we ran the phone number
again on a different website,
and look at this!
Came back as Jamie Aronofsky.
But this one also has
a Facebook that it brings up
for Jamie A.
And it's this girl
who lives in New York.
She looks
a little different.
- Way different.
- [laughs]
- But she's got a necklace
that says "Jamie."
So there's a chance
most of what you think
you know about Jamieis true,
except she's not the girl
in the pictures.
She's this girl.
- Great.
- Um, kind of unfortunately,
that's as far as we got.
But all we can really do now
is just call her,
and offer her an opportunity
to finally meet you.
- Do it.
- So I'm gonna call her.
- Okay.
[line trilling]
- Jamie.
- Yeah, hey, is this Jamie?
- Hey, Jamie.
My name is Nev,
from the TV show "Catfish."
I would love to help you
finally meet up with Will,
who I know you've been talking
to for a few years now.
Um, are you up in Queens
or Long Island?
- Okay, well--
[disconnect tone]
- Mother[bleep],
I knew that was gonna happen.
Is that the same voice that
you listened to when you talked
to her on the phone?
- Yes, that's her voice.
- That's her?
- That's the voice.
- Always, that's the voice
you hear?
- Yeah, that's the voice.
- You could text her.
- I said,
"Hey, Jamie. I understand
"now isn't
a good time for you.
"But you can't ignore
this situation any longer.
"I know there's a lot going on
here, and it's complicated,
"but both you and Will
owe it to yourselves
"to finally meet face to face
and sort this out.
"We will come to NYC tomorrow
and expect you to find
some time to meet us."
- Mm-hmm.
That's right.
We don't have to give
her a choice.
- Yeah,
she don't have a choice
because I'm gonna find her.
- We're gonna go up
to New York tomorrow.
We have an address.
We'll figure it out.
- Okay, sure.
- That work?
- Yeah.
- Okay, yeah, that's fine.
- All right.
- All right, thank you.
- Pack your bags.
- Okay.
- New York bound.
- All right.
- There's no way that
this relationship can continue
as it is.
- She told me in the car
that she believes in her heart
that he's in love with Jamie.
And she said she's fully
prepared to leave him.
- Wow.
Lot of drama
in that relationship
right now; I mean--
- I mean, this could be
make or break
for their relationship.
[line trilling]
- Good morning.
- Hey, rise and shine.
No response yet from Jamie.
Just roll up?
- I'm down.
- ♪ I feel like
a million bucks ♪
♪ No, I never can
get enough ♪
♪ Cha-Cha-Cha-Ching ♪
- Good morning!
- ♪ I feel like
a million bucks ♪
♪ Uh-huh, you know
I got all the love ♪
- Your first flight.
♪ ♪
- ♪ Cha-Cha-Cha-Ching ♪
♪ I feel like
a million bucks ♪
♪ No, I never can
get enough ♪
♪ Cha-Cha-Cha-Ching ♪
- Let's let her know
we're here in New York.
- ♪ I feel like
a million bucks ♪
♪ Uh-huh, you know
I got all the love ♪
- All right, guys.
How's everyone feeling?
What happened last night?
[electronic tone]
- Is that Jamie?
- She sent an address.
She says she can meet
around 11:30.
- Wow, all right,
so we've got a date.
Here is the hotel.
Let's just grab your stuff.
- So what's all this?
- Just messages of me
and Jamie.
- That's the girl we saw
on the Facebook page.
- It's the same girl to you?
- Are you joking?
Yes.
It's the same girl,
With the glasses
and everything.
Come on, man.
- Are you kidding?
- Yes, it's the same girl.
[laughs]
What?
- When was this?
- Well, I think
we've gotta tell her.
- [exhales]
- Did you know that William
had real photos of Jamie
and he forgot?
- No.
He just--mm.
- Bro, just get out
of my [bleep] face.
Just go.
- You gonna be okay?
- This [bleep] was
a waste of time.
The truth always
comes out.
- Akirra, is she okay?
- She's in the bathroom.
I just spoke to her,
and she says doesn't want
to come with us to meet Jamie.
- I wish
she could come with me.
Like, that's what I know.
She feel how she's feeling.
- But I understand where
Akirra's coming from.
I mean, she's upset.
She's having a hard time
trusting you right now.
Why don't we respect
her wishes
and just leave her alone
to cool down?
[electronic tone]
- Akirra just said
she's ready to go [bleep] home
and she's ready to go
the [bleep] off.
- Oh.
- I know I [bleep] up.
- All right, here's the park.
- [sighs]
- What's wrong?
- I'm worrying about Akirra.
That's what I'm thinking about
right now.
I'm thinking, like,
what's going through her mind.
I just want everything
to just be...
you know, okay.
I still wish Akirra
could have came.
- I don't think
you'd want Akirra there.
- Yeah.
- All right.
Let's see what's going on
out here.
- Okay, man, let's do this.
[suspenseful music]
♪ ♪
- Crazy, man.
- I think I see her.
- What the [bleep]?
- I think I see her.
Jamie?
- Does it look like her?
- I don't know.
[suspenseful music]
- Oh, my [bleep] God.
This is [bleep] crazy, cuz.
This is [bleep] crazy.
- Hi.
- How you doing?
Nev.
- I'm Jamie.
- Kamie.
- Nice to meet you.
- Obviously,
you know William.
- Yeah.
- Why don't we talk out here?
It's just a little dark
under there.
So what's going on?
- Um, a lot.
- You're Jamie?
- Yeah.
- Whole time, you were Jamie?
- Mm-hmm.
But I did tell you in texts
who I was,
and I sent you pictures.
- You're right,
because we just saw.
- We just saw.
- Yeah.
- So when you first met him,
were you lying about
the pictures?
- Yes, I was.
- Okay, so initially,
you were using
different pictures.
- Mm-hmm.
- So you admitted that you were
using the wrong pictures,
and you sent him
the right pictures.
- Yeah.
- But then did you go back
to using fake pictures again?
- Yeah, because he kept on
not really believing
that that was me.
So I said I would just--
Like, in my head, I said
I would go along with it.
- So that is confusing for him.
- Yeah.
- Mm-hmm.
- I mean...
for most people,
I would think
they would--they would get it.
- When I started developing
feelings that I had,
I came clean.
Because I felt it was
the right thing to do.
- Thank you.
- [laughs]
- You are the first person.
You lied about who you were,
then you got into
a relationship,
you had feelings for him,
so you told him the truth.
- Yeah, because it was
bothering me for a while.
- You didn't wanna believe it.
- I didn't wanna believe it.
- What's up with
all the money?
'Cause that's very
confusing to us.
- I had feelings for him,
and I just wanted
to help him out.
- Just because you liked him?
- Because she loved me.
- Yeah.
- And that was just
your money that--
- Yeah, that I was making
on social media.
- I mean,
I never really had
a really serious relationship.
And, it was like,
if I sent him money, yeah,
it would keep him around.
I look at it now that
I shouldn't have done that.
But because I couldn't
break how I felt,
then I just kept doing it.
- These other accounts
that I think you created
to mess with him and other
girls that he was dating,
was that--
- No.
- Did you not make any
of those accounts?
- No.
- But you've contacted Akirra.
- No.
I mean,
I don't know what messages
that is referring to--
- Well, saying,
"I know where you live."
- Yeah.
- "I want my money back."
- Yeah, I've said that,
but I didn't actually,
like, think that--
if I was, like,
actually gonna do that.
- You didn't try to log in
to her Instagram account?
- No, there's no way
I could've done that.
- I don't see nobody else
doing that.
- I didn't have a valid reason
to go after Akirra--
- Well, yes you did.
- You do.
- Honestly, yeah.
- You love him,
and have a relationship
with him,
and then he started
dating Akirra.
- I wouldn't blame you,
because
I would be [bleep]
pissed off, too.
I would be, like,
"Who the hell
do you think you are,
just walking all over me?"
- I feel like you're really
judgmental at times, you are.
- I'm judgmental?
- Yeah.
- I don't think I'm judgmental.
I don't judge people.
- I don't think that's right.
I would not say that to you.
- So wait, so after you showed
him pictures of yourself,
he said, "I'm not attracted
to this girl, she's ugly."
- Yeah.
- That's [bleep] up.
- And he said that
he didn't find my
actual voice attractive.
- You said her voice was ugly?
- Yeah, I said
her voice was ugly.
I don't remember,
though, but--yeah.
- I do.
- You don't have a lot
of memories of a lot of things.
- 'Cause I try to forget.
- I remember everything.
I pretty much keep
all of our convos,
I have everything, yeah.
- That was how much you was
in love with me, huh?
- Yeah.
- You really did love me.
- Mm-hmm.
- What are your feelings
toward William now?
- I still love him, I do.
I think he is a great person,
regardless of me feeling hurt.
- So you would still like
to have a relationship
of some kind,
and obviously,
you still have
strong feelings for him.
- Yeah.
- But he's in a relationship.
Do you have any--
what are your feelings now
towards Jamie?
I mean, do you wanna
still be friends?
- No.
I just feel like we should
just go our separate ways,
move on from this,
because Akirra--she--
she thinks, like,
that, you know, we talk,
and that I do have feel--
I still love her
and care about her.
But that's not the caseat all,
because I love Akirra,
and I wouldn't do that.
I'm not a cheater.
- William, if you don't
wanna be friends with Jamie,
then you also can't
be accepting her money.
- I know.
I apologize.
I'm sorry for any--
for everything I did,
or if you felt--
you felt that I hurt you.
I apologize for that.
- I feel the same way.
I mean, yeah,
I'm sorry I lied to you
about a lot of things.
- I think that
moving forward,
you're gonna find somebody
who truly loves you
and respects you,
and you won't feel judged.
- Yeah.
- Because you do
strike all of us, I think,
as a really great person
and you deserve
to have that.
[bleep] this guy.
- Yeah.
[laughter]
- All right.
I guess that's that.
Good-bye.
- Bye.
- Good luck, girl.
- Thank you.
- Any good-bye?
- [sighs]
Nope.
I'm cold.
I'm ready to leave.
We need to go.
- All right. Bye.
- Ready to go home
to my baby.
- You ain't [bleep].
- Come on.
- You're not.
You better go back there
and give Akirra
the biggest hug in the world.
- Man, I am--
- Get your ass in the car.
- ♪ Should I brace myself? ♪
♪ ♪
- [bleep].
Thank God. Oh!
- All right.
Well, you've gotta go clean up
this mess you made with Akirra.
- She's [bleep] mad.
I understand I was wrong
in some ways, you know,
but all I wanna do
is just move on
with my life with Akirra.
[sighs]
♪ ♪
[melancholy music]
♪ ♪
- You crying?
- Yeah.
- What happened?
- He's just thinking
about Akirra.
He wants everything to go well.
- You all right, man?
- It's gonna be fine,
but you have to be vulnerable.
- Hello.
- Come in.
- Okay.
- Hey, Akirra.
- I wanna
tell you that, um,
you ain't got nothing
to worry about.
And that I--I wanna
be with you.
You're who I wanna be with.
I really do love you.
And, like, the thing with Jamie
is, like, done.
It's finished.
I'm sorry.
I wish you would talk to me.
- I just feel like
there's a lot of stuff
that's been hidden
between you and her.
- There's nothing going on
between me and her.
Like, I told her
that I don't want--
nothing to do with you.
I told her--
- I mean, I don't even care
about the details, or whatever.
- I told her that
you're who I wanna be with
and move my--
move forward my life with.
- I don't know what
really happened,
so I don't know what
you said, she said,
or whatever the case
may be, or--
- Well, we were there.
We met her.
It was the girl
that we had all seen
in that Facebook photo.
She still
has feelings for him,
so William
made it very clear
that they can't
even be friends,
because he's with you,
and there's no way
to be friends with someone
if they have feelings for you.
He did say and do
all the right things today.
- Okay.
- And we asked her about the
messages that you were getting,
and the other accounts,
and it seems like
that's finished.
Look, there's no way to know
if Jamie is gonna try
to keep reaching out
to either of you,
but if either of you
hear from her,
just be honest with each other
about it.
- And honesty was a big issue.
- Because the worst thing
that would happen would be
if you didn't tell her that.
So just be...
- Yeah, be honest.
- Open about it.
- Don't just tell her what you
think she wants to hear.
Anything covered in
bull[bleep] is not gonna fly.
Just makes for better
communication.
- I do wanna
like, spend the rest of my life
with you, for real.
Um, I really do love you.
I really do care about you.
And I want you to see that,
and know that.
And I understand you're upset
and everything like that,
but I'm sorry for not being
completely honest with you.
[lively music]
♪ ♪
- Where's the--
- Oh!
- Hello. Hey.
- Oh, my goodness.
So you guys are still good.
- Yeah.
- What's going on with you two?
- We progressed from
when you guys helped us out.
- It's only up.
We're going up and up.
- We made it to our
four-month anniversary
and we've been stronger.
So everything has been only
going up from everything.
- How do you feel now towards
William in terms of trust?
We've gotten closer and we're,
like, encouraged
to go on with our relationship
and do what we have to do
to move forward.
I think we're better
as a person, you know,
to be able to work
with him as a team.
- Good; well, don't break
that trust, William.
You have to stay
on good behavior.
- I got you.
- Try not to--
yeah, stay out of trouble.
- Okay, will do.
- We'll keep in touch.
- See you.
- Bye.
- All right, bye.
Appreciate y'all.
- Danielle has been in contact
with BJ for six years.
- I was shot multiple times.
BJ was there for me.
He's keeping a huge secret.
- "I know who Danielle
is really talking to."
- Whoa.
There are two people coming.
Is that them?
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
- What's going on?
1060
00:41:31.
needs to discover the truth
about who Jamie is.
- We've been talking
for around two years.
- Did you love her?
- Yeah, I loved her.
- This is your
transaction history.
Are you [bleep] kidding me?
This is a lot of money.
Does Akirra know about that?
- Akirra's upset.
- Bro, just get out of
my [bleep] face; just go.
- I think I see her.
Jamie?
- Oh, my [bleep] God.
[dramatic music]
- "I need your help."
"Help."
For almost a decade,
"Catfish" has brought
desperate hopefuls
the answers they deserve.
- Thank you guys so much
for bringing us together.
- This time around, though,
we flipped the script.
Now I'm heading out
with my cohost, Kamie.
- Who's ready to go fishing?
- We're helping people
who need us the most.
Let's do it.
Only they have no idea.
- She doesn't know
I reached out to you guys.
- Oh, my goodness.
- This season, we're being
tipped off by friends...
- I care about him a lot.
- Family...
- My brother's really
in love with her.
- And even anonymous sources.
Whoa.
- What?
- This is from
the whistle-blower.
Ride-or-dies
who will not sit back
while their loved ones
get played.
- ♪ Come on
and catch me now ♪
- Why can't we meet?
- Homey is getting played.
So many layers.
- 'Cause even when
you don't know it...
Chill, chill, chill.
- [bleep] him, man.
- Take a second.
- [exhales]
- "Catfish" has your back.
[dramatic musical sting]
- All right, there she is.
- Oh, no.
- Can't lay like that.
- I'm watching TV.
- I think that's weird.
- How do you watch TV?
- If you're gonna be on a bed,
then you go like this.
- How am I supposed to see it
when I don't have my
glasses on?
- First of all,
when did you become
an 80-year-old Southern woman?
- Yesterday.
[laughter]
- "I don't have my glasses on!"
- Anyway, if you're finished
watching "Hoarders,"
I thought we'd do something
a little different today.
Instead of reading the email
from the computer,
I could read it right here
on my phone.
- Why not?
- All right,
this one is from Akirra.
The subject is "A Catfish
is Ruining My Relationship."
"Hey, Nev and Kamie,
"Things are getting
out of hand.
And I realized you're the only
ones who can help."
- Probably.
- "My boyfriend William and I
"have been dating
for the past three months.
"We're completely in love.
"But recently,
a girl named Jamie
"has been blowing up his phone
constantly.
"When I asked William about it,
"he said he and Jamie
used to date online
"but out of respect for me,
William blocked her.
"But she's been messaging him
from other profiles.
"Can't get over him,
and is doing anything she can
"to stay in touch.
"With all this going on,
I decided to look into her.
"William believes
she's some sort of
"social media influencer,
because she has a ton
of followers..."
- Oh, God, no.
"But I saw her Twitter,
and it looked shady.
"It's clear to me
she isn't just a stalker ex.
"She's a catfish.
"And it's gotten even worse.
"I'm getting weird messages
from fake accounts,
"and they're freaking me out
and pissing me off.
"Jamie even told William
that he better watch out,
because she knows his address."
- ♪ Only your evil
will cut us down ♪
"I love William,
"but I don't know
what to do anymore.
"She's going to ruin
our relationship
"if we don't get her
out of our lives.
Thanks in advance,
Akirra."
- It sounds like William
is not doing a very good job
at keeping his ex at bay.
- She's infiltrating.
- Well, he tried to block her.
This girl is, like,
really butting her nose
in their business.
- Watch out?
- Right.
- I'm gonna show up
at your house?
She's a stalker.
- I'm nervous now.
All right, let's go.
Let's see if we can get Akirra
on Skype and find out a little
more about what's going on.
[Skype tone ringing]
Hello!
- Hey!
- What's up?
- How you guys doing?
- How are you?
- It's going good.
- Where are you from?
- I'm from King George,
Virginia.
- Hey, DMV.
I'm from Maryland.
- From Maryland?
- Yeah.
- How old are you, Akirra?
- I'm 19.
- And how old is William?
- William is 21.
He's the perfect guy.
I love him a lot.
- What's so great
about William?
- Everything,
like his laugh,
his personality, and the way
that he carries himself.
Like, we're really, really
in love.
But I was hoping you guys
could help me out because
I didn't know he was dating
a girl online
before him and I met.
And now, since she knows
that him and I are together,
and we're trying to progress,
it makes her angry.
- Wow.
- I had a hundred different
Instagrams messaging me like,
"Your boyfriend is a cheater.
He's not loyal to you."
And like...
- My God.
- And she'll try to use
my Instagram username
and sign in my account
and hit "Forgot Password"
so I'll get a hundred
notifications of like,
"Oh, we're sorry that you
can't get into your Instagram.
Maybe we can help you."
- Oh, my God.
- Oh, that would piss me off
like nothing else.
- This is a problem.
Like--this is a--
- Yeah.
- Now our relationship
is on the line.
She's in the way.
She has to go.
- Okay, he's not still
interested in having
any kind of communication
or friendship
or anything with her, is he?
- Um, see, I don't know.
I found them communicating
still after he had said
he blocked her.
- What?
- Where were they talking?
- They were talking on Paypal.
- Is that because
he sends her money?
- No. She sends him money.
- Oh. Well, no wonder
he doesn't want to let go.
- William has a sugar mama.
- Wow.
Does he know you
wrote in to us?
- He knows that I wrote
in to you guys,
but he's not, like, excited
with the fact that I did.
He's here, if you guys
want to talk to him.
- Yeah.
[footsteps]
[knocking on door]
- William.
- Open up.
- I'm on the phone
with "Catfish"
and they want to talk to you.
- Oh, man.
- [laughs]
- Get out here, Will.
- I can't believe
that you did this.
- [laughs]
- This is--
- Oh, man.
- We've been hearing a little
about this crazy story.
- She's cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs,
need a restraining order.
- No--
- Catfish.
- [laughs]
- I don't believe
she's a catfish
because of what she's doing.
Sending me money,
helping me out.
- Over the last two years,
how much money
do you think she's sent you?
- Thousands.
- Thousands.
What?
- Ain't feel good.
- Wow.
- You weren't sending anything
in exchange for this money,
because that's a different
kind of business.
- Dick pics.
- [giggles]
- The most important thing here
is that you guys are happy,
and this girl's doing a lot
to sort of mess that up.
- She's jealous.
- I feel like this girl's
jeopardizing our relationship,
- Right.
- So that's what makes me
interested in finding out,
because I wanna know.
- We gotta help you guys.
All right, so we'll meet
you guys in Virginia.
- DC.
- We're in DC now.
- Oh, you're--
okay, you're in DC now.
- DMV area.
- DMV, yeah.
- We'll see you guys soon.
- Bye.
both: Bye.
- Wow.
- I think William
wants a sugar mama.
- Money talks.
- The good news is
we're going to Maryland.
Yay!
[upbeat music]
♪ ♪
- All right, Maryland.
- Maryland.
- I like Akirra.
- I like Akirra.
- She's funny.
- She's with it.
- And she's keeping
him in check.
- All right, we're here.
- Hey.
- Hey, how you doing?
- Good, how are you?
- I'm doing good.
Nice to meet you.
- Nice to meet you, too.
I'm Kamie.
- What's up?
- How you doing?
- Oh, good.
- Could we all step in?
- Yeah, you don't have a coat.
Let's go. [bleep].
Thank you.
- Wait, where's
your girlfriend?
I don't really wanna talk
to you that much.
[laughter]
- We're here for Akirra.
- So let's get the story.
- Spill the tea.
- So me and Jamie,
we were talking for,
like, around two years.
She hit me up on Twitter.
Guess I liked her tweet,
and then that's when
she inboxed me.
She told me her name
is Jamie Gonzalez.
She retweets things for promos,
like money--
- So it's like,
if you pay me $5,
I'll post your picture
on my page.
- Yes.
- Like that.
Because she has a lot
of followers.
- Yeah. I wanted
to get to know who she was.
That's when I started
texting her,
talking to her on the phone.
- How often were
you guys talking?
- Every day.
She's a cool person.
She's caring, thoughtful,
she ain't a judgey person.
She had me hooked.
- Ooh.
Did you love her?
- Yeah, I loved her.
I cared about her.
At the time...
I told her I need help
money-wise.
That's when she was, like,
giving me money.
But when she was doing
the promo stuff
and things like that...
- Right.
- Her Paypal got suspended.
- Oh, wait a second.
- Oh.
- So people send her money
to help promote stuff,
and then you're just
getting random...
- Random money, like,
every day--
- Money from different
accounts.
- Yeah, some random person.
- Was there ever a conversation
where she was, like,
"Can you accept this
and then pay me?"
Or was it just like,
"Oh, you know what,
you just take it."
Like, you never had
an agreement.
- She supposedly was supposed
to sell her house
out in New York
to come live down here,
with me, for me.
But she kept making excuses.
I was getting tired
and frustrated with that,
so I moved on.
I told her, like, I can't
keep on doing this no more.
- I mean, this is weird.
- [laughs]
- I know; I know it's crazy.
- This is maybe the weirdest
[bleep] that I've ever heard.
Some random girl who says
she's in New York
tells all her clients
to pay you on Paypal
for the social media work
she's doing?
- Oh, [bleep], God!
- Oh.
- Hello, hi.
- Hey.
- What did I miss?
Sorry.
- You scared me!
- You made it. What's up?
- Nice to meet you.
- Hello.
- So, what did I miss, guys?
- The biggest thing
that kinda we cleared up
was this money thing.
- It's crazy. You know,
you wouldn't be, like,
expecting someone to do that.
Like, it's weird,
and it's strange.
- How many different accounts,
do you think,
have sent you money?
- Man, more than 50.
- You have your Paypal
transaction history.
We can look at it, right?
I'd like to see that.
Wow. Oh, my God.
- Look at all those scrolls
you're doing.
- [laughs]
- You're gonna break his thumb.
Holy [bleep].
- He doesn't believe
this is a catfish.
- Okay, so wait a second. So...
- There we go.
- Jamie Aronofsky, $90.
- I thought her last name
was Gonzalez.
- Right.
- Is she Buttercup Gonzalez?
- Yeah, that's what she was
calling herself.
That's how I met her.
- Wait, so she sent you $90
a lot of times.
- Keep adding up.
- Jesus, $60.
$100!
$50, $70, $40.
Are you [bleep] kidding me?
Don't break up with this girl.
[laughter]
This is the best thing
you've got going.
- Thank you.
- For reals.
- Akirra, get outta here!
[laughter]
Why are you messing this up?
- Thank you. Thank you!
[laughter]
- Oh, my God.
This is a lot of money, man.
Jeez, we're still in May.
Dawnee, 5 bucks. Jeju, 5
bucks. Sarah, 5 bucks.
There's a lot of these.
Holy [bleep].
You have a $15 pending payment.
- He doesn't care,
he's getting money every day.
- He doesn't even care.
This is crazy.
- In Paypal messages,
it says I owe 5K.
- Oh, she requested $5,000.
- That was around the time
when I actually
broke it off with her.
Yeah, because she--
- She said,
"Pay back my money
or it's a be a problem."
- That's when Akirra told me
to block her
on Instagram and Twitter.
That's when she contacted me
on Paypal.
- "I helped you over two years,
and this is what
you do to me?"
She sends you a request for
$6.5 million?
- [laughs]
- And then said,
"Don't keep [bleep]
playing with me!"
- That's when the messages
started rolling to me
with the disrespect.
- Right.
- And she's, like,
"Your man's a cheater.
You need to check him."
If you guys wanna see it,
we could take a look.
- Sure.
Here, Kamie, switch with me.
- All right.
- Now I see it.
- There's a whole bunch
of them.
- Okay, so she said...
So this is clearly Jamie.
- Yeah.
- But from a different account.
- Sounds like something
a guy would say.
- I know it ain't a man
for sure.
We can bet on that.
- You gotta
take this seriously.
Like, you got to be very
cautious here.
I mean you could say,
"Oh, my God,
this guy hacked my Paypal.
"He's been stealing
all my money,
go [bleep] him up."
You don't know.
All right, well, let's just see
if we can figure it out.
- Send us all the stuff.
- Okay.
- What kind of rabbit hole
y'all got us going down?
- Good to see you guys.
- See you tomorrow.
Bye.
Man, oh man.
- This might be one of the
crazier catfish stories
we've ever had.
- I don't even know
where to begin.
- I mean,
Akirra is on top of it.
- Oh, yeah.
Because she's not living
in the fantasy land
that William's living in.
- He's in serious denial.
- You ready?
- I'm ready.
- Okay.
William meets Jamie online,
they become friends.
She starts sending him money.
I mean, it's weird.
- Yeah.
- But she was very generous,
and just said, like,
"Oh, let me help you,
let me help you,
let me help you."
- Mm-hmm.
- Eventually, they become
kind of an item.
Try to meet up,
never happens.
After almost two years,
finally William decides, like,
"If I'm never gonna meet you,
I gotta start dating
someone else."
- Mm-hmm.
- William meets Akirra.
They start dating.
Immediately, Jamie freaks out,
starts suggesting
that he should pay her back,
and harassing him.
Then she starts
bothering and harassing Akirra.
- Mm-hmm.
- Messaging her from
lots of weird accounts.
- Scary.
- All right, let's get into it.
We got an email.
"Hey guys, thanks for helping.
"Her name is Jamie Gonzalez.
"She's 22 and lives
in New York.
"Here's her number.
"Here's her Instagram,
@eyebuttersyrup.
"Here's her Twitter account."
- Okay.
- "Here's my Paypal login."
Ooh.
- Yes, we need it.
- Great.
And here are some photos
that he attached.
Let's just start
with the pictures.
Yeah, here we go.
No, no.
No direct hit on that one.
Let's try the second one.
Nope, no hit.
Try this next picture.
Just need one hit.
Okay, no.
- Damn.
- Let's see what happens
if we go to her Instagram.
Well, here's her account.
24,000 followers,
but no posts?
- Right.
- What?
This photo is not even close
to the same girl.
- Right. So what is she,
just buying followers?
- Probably.
You can buy followers
on any website.
- Who's she following?
Is that William?
- @willgetpaiddd?
Yeah, we know.
both: That's him.
- [laughs]
- That's pretty funny.
- Oh, my God.
- Let's see if we can
find anything
on her Twitter account.
Wow, 70,000 followers.
Yeah, I guess she just
sort of...
- Posts travel stuff.
You're buying--
- Right.
- This is, like,
clearly bought followers.
- Right.
So weird.
The only thing left now
is her phone number.
Let's do a little phone search
here on this phone number.
Steven Aronofsky.
Didn't we see
"Aronofsky" somewhere?
- Paypal.
- Yes!
- The Paypal, the original
Paypal transaction.
- That's where we saw it.
- Yeah.
- Yes, it was.
Let's look.
Here's William's
Paypal account.
Let's go to Activity.
Look, Jamie Aronofsky.
- Wow.
I think that's her name.
- Right.
God, there's a lot.
These are all on one day.
Every day, dozens.
And the whole thing to me
just doesn't make any sense.
Why would some impersonator
just willfully start sending
thousands of dollars?
To some guy they don't
ever plan on even meeting?
- When he was telling
the story,
it felt like something
was missing.
- Yeah.
Anyway, all right.
The fact that the phone number
goes to a Steven Aronofsky
and the original transaction
was from a Jamie Aronofsky,
pretty much suggests
that her last name
is probably Aronofsky.
- Mm-hmm.
- Steven Aronofsky.
Either that's her dad,
or she is daddy,
if you know what I'm saying.
- My God.
- All right, let's just see
what other sites
come back with.
'Cause sometimes
you get different stuff
on different sites
for phone numbers.
Jamie Aronofsky.
All right, let's view details.
- Born November, 1993, age 25.
- Wow.
And here's an address.
Medford, New York.
May also be known as
Jamie L. Aronofsky.
Oh, a picture?
- [gasps]
- Who's that?
It's got a Jamie nametag.
Two social networks connected.
[gasps]
- Jamie A.
[gasps]
This is her.
- Guess this is her.
'Cause the phone number
traces to her,
her name is Jamie A.
We have an address.
Based on the fact that
her Paypal name
in the beginning
was Jamie Aronofsky,
phone number comes back
to either Steven
or Jamie Aronofsky,
there's a Facebook page
with a girl who lives
in New York.
We should go show this
to William and Akirra,
see what they think.
- Yeah.
- And I think meeting her
is the only way he's ever
gonna be able to move on...
- Agreed.
- And be with Akirra.
- Agreed.
- And get her to stop
messing with them.
[upbeat music]
♪ ♪
[knocking]
- Hello, there.
- Hello.
- Hey.
- How you guys doing today?
We can sit over here, guys.
- Okay.
- It's cozy in here.
- Ah.
Any new developments?
- No new Paypal requests?
- Mm-mm.
- Nope, anything.
- All right, so look.
We've been obviously
talking about what reason
Jamie would have
for sending you all that money.
You met her,
you started talking.
You mentioned
that you were tight on cash.
- Yes.
- But did she ever
actively talk about having
lots of money?
- She was talking about
a lot of money, just--
she used to, like, talk about
sex and stuff like that.
And, like...
- So, well,
that's what makes me wonder.
Like, was she paying you
for sexual favors?
- No.
That was not in our agreement.
We had an agreement.
Me and her had an agreement.
- An understanding.
- Mm-hmm.
- I talk to you
and give you attention,
and you give me money.
- Right.
- Yeah.
That's--thank you.
- That's called
an escort service.
- Well.
- And you could have
a real business with this.
- You could be a gigolo.
- A gigolo?
What's a gigolo?
- It's a male escort.
- It's what you're doing.
- Yeah, you're like
a virtual gigolo.
- You understand
that it's weird, right?
- Yeah, it's very weird.
- From an outsider--
the fact that you met
some sort of
random person online
who lived far away.
Like, you knew she was falling
in love with you.
- Yeah, I knew she was falling
in love with me.
- And did you ever feel
kinda bad taking the money?
- Nope.
She gave me the blueprint
to do that, so I kept--
It got even bigger.
First, it started
$20, $50, $60, $70.
You know, kept going up.
Up and up.
And I was loving it.
I was in love with that.
- So do you really think
you were in love with her
or in love with what
she was providing you with?
- Even though it wasn't
her thing,
she always kept saying
you want to do for me.
I guess on her side,
she thought we, you know,
genuinely, like,
in a relationship.
- But you said yesterday
you really did care for Jamie.
She really cared for you.
You really thought
that was going to be something.
- Akirra,
do you wanna go outside
and have some girl talk?
- Yeah, that's fine.
- Okay, cool.
Let's go in the car.
I'm trying to be warm.
Like, yesterday,
obviously, you know,
William was saying that
he was, like,
in love with this girl,
and like,
that's the reason why
he kept the relationship going.
But now,
he's making it seem like
it's all about money.
- It's about the money, yeah.
- Like, for one second--
- Does he think that's what
you wanna hear?
Maybe that's why
he's saying that?
- I think so.
I guess he's trying
to protect my feelings
but, like, he admitted to me
that he was still in love
with this girl
and that's when
I was definitely, like--
- Still in love with her now?
- Yeah.
- All right. So, okay.
Real talk,
guy to guy.
- Guy to guy.
- If you were given
the choice right now
between Jamie and Akirra...
- Mm-hmm.
- And Jamie was everything
she said she was,
- Yeah.
- I imagine that
would be hard for you.
- Jamie, she genuinely
cared and loved me
by sending me money
to help me,
lifting me up
when I needed it.
But things just didn't go
how we planned.
- Right.
- Akirra is what Jamie
was supposed to have been.
- Clearly, this is not
just about the money.
- That's when I was like,
"If you do find out
"if you do find out
who this person is,
"and, like, y'all wanna
move on together,
then I'm fine just being
your friend."
And that's when
he was, like,
"I wanna be with you.
"There's nothing
that she can do."
But I'm just
sitting here confused,
like, what's really going on?
- Right.
- What's really gonna happen?
- Looking kinda shady, yeah.
- Would you say that you're
prepared to leave him?
- Yeah.
Moving on ain't hard.
I'm pretty, young.
Like, I have a car,
I graduated high school,
like, very smart.
- I feel like you're
not going to get
the 100% honest truth
about this unless he meets her.
- Exactly.
- I had it rough growing up.
Ain't had everything
I wanted,
couldn't get everything
I wanted,
everything that I ever
wanted or needed.
Jamie provided that for me.
I never had nobody
in my life--
my mother, my father--
none of them did, like,
so much what Jamie did for me.
- Does Akirra know about that?
- We're back.
Just a little man-hating,
you know.
The usual.
- [laughs]
- All right, so look.
Enough chit-chat.
And I don't wanna
waste too much time.
So let's just--
we'll walk you through it.
We did a search
for the phone number.
The first one
came back registered
to Steven Aronofsky.
We went into your Paypal.
When she started
sending you money,
it was coming from
Jamie Aronofsky.
But this guy obviously
is a guy, he's 61,
so we thought,
okay, maybe it's her dad.
It's a New York,
Long Island phone number.
So we ran the phone number
again on a different website,
and look at this!
Came back as Jamie Aronofsky.
But this one also has
a Facebook that it brings up
for Jamie A.
And it's this girl
who lives in New York.
She looks
a little different.
- Way different.
- [laughs]
- But she's got a necklace
that says "Jamie."
So there's a chance
most of what you think
you know about Jamieis true,
except she's not the girl
in the pictures.
She's this girl.
- Great.
- Um, kind of unfortunately,
that's as far as we got.
But all we can really do now
is just call her,
and offer her an opportunity
to finally meet you.
- Do it.
- So I'm gonna call her.
- Okay.
[line trilling]
- Jamie.
- Yeah, hey, is this Jamie?
- Hey, Jamie.
My name is Nev,
from the TV show "Catfish."
I would love to help you
finally meet up with Will,
who I know you've been talking
to for a few years now.
Um, are you up in Queens
or Long Island?
- Okay, well--
[disconnect tone]
- Mother[bleep],
I knew that was gonna happen.
Is that the same voice that
you listened to when you talked
to her on the phone?
- Yes, that's her voice.
- That's her?
- That's the voice.
- Always, that's the voice
you hear?
- Yeah, that's the voice.
- You could text her.
- I said,
"Hey, Jamie. I understand
"now isn't
a good time for you.
"But you can't ignore
this situation any longer.
"I know there's a lot going on
here, and it's complicated,
"but both you and Will
owe it to yourselves
"to finally meet face to face
and sort this out.
"We will come to NYC tomorrow
and expect you to find
some time to meet us."
- Mm-hmm.
That's right.
We don't have to give
her a choice.
- Yeah,
she don't have a choice
because I'm gonna find her.
- We're gonna go up
to New York tomorrow.
We have an address.
We'll figure it out.
- Okay, sure.
- That work?
- Yeah.
- Okay, yeah, that's fine.
- All right.
- All right, thank you.
- Pack your bags.
- Okay.
- New York bound.
- All right.
- There's no way that
this relationship can continue
as it is.
- She told me in the car
that she believes in her heart
that he's in love with Jamie.
And she said she's fully
prepared to leave him.
- Wow.
Lot of drama
in that relationship
right now; I mean--
- I mean, this could be
make or break
for their relationship.
[line trilling]
- Good morning.
- Hey, rise and shine.
No response yet from Jamie.
Just roll up?
- I'm down.
- ♪ I feel like
a million bucks ♪
♪ No, I never can
get enough ♪
♪ Cha-Cha-Cha-Ching ♪
- Good morning!
- ♪ I feel like
a million bucks ♪
♪ Uh-huh, you know
I got all the love ♪
- Your first flight.
♪ ♪
- ♪ Cha-Cha-Cha-Ching ♪
♪ I feel like
a million bucks ♪
♪ No, I never can
get enough ♪
♪ Cha-Cha-Cha-Ching ♪
- Let's let her know
we're here in New York.
- ♪ I feel like
a million bucks ♪
♪ Uh-huh, you know
I got all the love ♪
- All right, guys.
How's everyone feeling?
What happened last night?
[electronic tone]
- Is that Jamie?
- She sent an address.
She says she can meet
around 11:30.
- Wow, all right,
so we've got a date.
Here is the hotel.
Let's just grab your stuff.
- So what's all this?
- Just messages of me
and Jamie.
- That's the girl we saw
on the Facebook page.
- It's the same girl to you?
- Are you joking?
Yes.
It's the same girl,
With the glasses
and everything.
Come on, man.
- Are you kidding?
- Yes, it's the same girl.
[laughs]
What?
- When was this?
- Well, I think
we've gotta tell her.
- [exhales]
- Did you know that William
had real photos of Jamie
and he forgot?
- No.
He just--mm.
- Bro, just get out
of my [bleep] face.
Just go.
- You gonna be okay?
- This [bleep] was
a waste of time.
The truth always
comes out.
- Akirra, is she okay?
- She's in the bathroom.
I just spoke to her,
and she says doesn't want
to come with us to meet Jamie.
- I wish
she could come with me.
Like, that's what I know.
She feel how she's feeling.
- But I understand where
Akirra's coming from.
I mean, she's upset.
She's having a hard time
trusting you right now.
Why don't we respect
her wishes
and just leave her alone
to cool down?
[electronic tone]
- Akirra just said
she's ready to go [bleep] home
and she's ready to go
the [bleep] off.
- Oh.
- I know I [bleep] up.
- All right, here's the park.
- [sighs]
- What's wrong?
- I'm worrying about Akirra.
That's what I'm thinking about
right now.
I'm thinking, like,
what's going through her mind.
I just want everything
to just be...
you know, okay.
I still wish Akirra
could have came.
- I don't think
you'd want Akirra there.
- Yeah.
- All right.
Let's see what's going on
out here.
- Okay, man, let's do this.
[suspenseful music]
♪ ♪
- Crazy, man.
- I think I see her.
- What the [bleep]?
- I think I see her.
Jamie?
- Does it look like her?
- I don't know.
[suspenseful music]
- Oh, my [bleep] God.
This is [bleep] crazy, cuz.
This is [bleep] crazy.
- Hi.
- How you doing?
Nev.
- I'm Jamie.
- Kamie.
- Nice to meet you.
- Obviously,
you know William.
- Yeah.
- Why don't we talk out here?
It's just a little dark
under there.
So what's going on?
- Um, a lot.
- You're Jamie?
- Yeah.
- Whole time, you were Jamie?
- Mm-hmm.
But I did tell you in texts
who I was,
and I sent you pictures.
- You're right,
because we just saw.
- We just saw.
- Yeah.
- So when you first met him,
were you lying about
the pictures?
- Yes, I was.
- Okay, so initially,
you were using
different pictures.
- Mm-hmm.
- So you admitted that you were
using the wrong pictures,
and you sent him
the right pictures.
- Yeah.
- But then did you go back
to using fake pictures again?
- Yeah, because he kept on
not really believing
that that was me.
So I said I would just--
Like, in my head, I said
I would go along with it.
- So that is confusing for him.
- Yeah.
- Mm-hmm.
- I mean...
for most people,
I would think
they would--they would get it.
- When I started developing
feelings that I had,
I came clean.
Because I felt it was
the right thing to do.
- Thank you.
- [laughs]
- You are the first person.
You lied about who you were,
then you got into
a relationship,
you had feelings for him,
so you told him the truth.
- Yeah, because it was
bothering me for a while.
- You didn't wanna believe it.
- I didn't wanna believe it.
- What's up with
all the money?
'Cause that's very
confusing to us.
- I had feelings for him,
and I just wanted
to help him out.
- Just because you liked him?
- Because she loved me.
- Yeah.
- And that was just
your money that--
- Yeah, that I was making
on social media.
- I mean,
I never really had
a really serious relationship.
And, it was like,
if I sent him money, yeah,
it would keep him around.
I look at it now that
I shouldn't have done that.
But because I couldn't
break how I felt,
then I just kept doing it.
- These other accounts
that I think you created
to mess with him and other
girls that he was dating,
was that--
- No.
- Did you not make any
of those accounts?
- No.
- But you've contacted Akirra.
- No.
I mean,
I don't know what messages
that is referring to--
- Well, saying,
"I know where you live."
- Yeah.
- "I want my money back."
- Yeah, I've said that,
but I didn't actually,
like, think that--
if I was, like,
actually gonna do that.
- You didn't try to log in
to her Instagram account?
- No, there's no way
I could've done that.
- I don't see nobody else
doing that.
- I didn't have a valid reason
to go after Akirra--
- Well, yes you did.
- You do.
- Honestly, yeah.
- You love him,
and have a relationship
with him,
and then he started
dating Akirra.
- I wouldn't blame you,
because
I would be [bleep]
pissed off, too.
I would be, like,
"Who the hell
do you think you are,
just walking all over me?"
- I feel like you're really
judgmental at times, you are.
- I'm judgmental?
- Yeah.
- I don't think I'm judgmental.
I don't judge people.
- I don't think that's right.
I would not say that to you.
- So wait, so after you showed
him pictures of yourself,
he said, "I'm not attracted
to this girl, she's ugly."
- Yeah.
- That's [bleep] up.
- And he said that
he didn't find my
actual voice attractive.
- You said her voice was ugly?
- Yeah, I said
her voice was ugly.
I don't remember,
though, but--yeah.
- I do.
- You don't have a lot
of memories of a lot of things.
- 'Cause I try to forget.
- I remember everything.
I pretty much keep
all of our convos,
I have everything, yeah.
- That was how much you was
in love with me, huh?
- Yeah.
- You really did love me.
- Mm-hmm.
- What are your feelings
toward William now?
- I still love him, I do.
I think he is a great person,
regardless of me feeling hurt.
- So you would still like
to have a relationship
of some kind,
and obviously,
you still have
strong feelings for him.
- Yeah.
- But he's in a relationship.
Do you have any--
what are your feelings now
towards Jamie?
I mean, do you wanna
still be friends?
- No.
I just feel like we should
just go our separate ways,
move on from this,
because Akirra--she--
she thinks, like,
that, you know, we talk,
and that I do have feel--
I still love her
and care about her.
But that's not the caseat all,
because I love Akirra,
and I wouldn't do that.
I'm not a cheater.
- William, if you don't
wanna be friends with Jamie,
then you also can't
be accepting her money.
- I know.
I apologize.
I'm sorry for any--
for everything I did,
or if you felt--
you felt that I hurt you.
I apologize for that.
- I feel the same way.
I mean, yeah,
I'm sorry I lied to you
about a lot of things.
- I think that
moving forward,
you're gonna find somebody
who truly loves you
and respects you,
and you won't feel judged.
- Yeah.
- Because you do
strike all of us, I think,
as a really great person
and you deserve
to have that.
[bleep] this guy.
- Yeah.
[laughter]
- All right.
I guess that's that.
Good-bye.
- Bye.
- Good luck, girl.
- Thank you.
- Any good-bye?
- [sighs]
Nope.
I'm cold.
I'm ready to leave.
We need to go.
- All right. Bye.
- Ready to go home
to my baby.
- You ain't [bleep].
- Come on.
- You're not.
You better go back there
and give Akirra
the biggest hug in the world.
- Man, I am--
- Get your ass in the car.
- ♪ Should I brace myself? ♪
♪ ♪
- [bleep].
Thank God. Oh!
- All right.
Well, you've gotta go clean up
this mess you made with Akirra.
- She's [bleep] mad.
I understand I was wrong
in some ways, you know,
but all I wanna do
is just move on
with my life with Akirra.
[sighs]
♪ ♪
[melancholy music]
♪ ♪
- You crying?
- Yeah.
- What happened?
- He's just thinking
about Akirra.
He wants everything to go well.
- You all right, man?
- It's gonna be fine,
but you have to be vulnerable.
- Hello.
- Come in.
- Okay.
- Hey, Akirra.
- I wanna
tell you that, um,
you ain't got nothing
to worry about.
And that I--I wanna
be with you.
You're who I wanna be with.
I really do love you.
And, like, the thing with Jamie
is, like, done.
It's finished.
I'm sorry.
I wish you would talk to me.
- I just feel like
there's a lot of stuff
that's been hidden
between you and her.
- There's nothing going on
between me and her.
Like, I told her
that I don't want--
nothing to do with you.
I told her--
- I mean, I don't even care
about the details, or whatever.
- I told her that
you're who I wanna be with
and move my--
move forward my life with.
- I don't know what
really happened,
so I don't know what
you said, she said,
or whatever the case
may be, or--
- Well, we were there.
We met her.
It was the girl
that we had all seen
in that Facebook photo.
She still
has feelings for him,
so William
made it very clear
that they can't
even be friends,
because he's with you,
and there's no way
to be friends with someone
if they have feelings for you.
He did say and do
all the right things today.
- Okay.
- And we asked her about the
messages that you were getting,
and the other accounts,
and it seems like
that's finished.
Look, there's no way to know
if Jamie is gonna try
to keep reaching out
to either of you,
but if either of you
hear from her,
just be honest with each other
about it.
- And honesty was a big issue.
- Because the worst thing
that would happen would be
if you didn't tell her that.
So just be...
- Yeah, be honest.
- Open about it.
- Don't just tell her what you
think she wants to hear.
Anything covered in
bull[bleep] is not gonna fly.
Just makes for better
communication.
- I do wanna
like, spend the rest of my life
with you, for real.
Um, I really do love you.
I really do care about you.
And I want you to see that,
and know that.
And I understand you're upset
and everything like that,
but I'm sorry for not being
completely honest with you.
[lively music]
♪ ♪
- Where's the--
- Oh!
- Hello. Hey.
- Oh, my goodness.
So you guys are still good.
- Yeah.
- What's going on with you two?
- We progressed from
when you guys helped us out.
- It's only up.
We're going up and up.
- We made it to our
four-month anniversary
and we've been stronger.
So everything has been only
going up from everything.
- How do you feel now towards
William in terms of trust?
We've gotten closer and we're,
like, encouraged
to go on with our relationship
and do what we have to do
to move forward.
I think we're better
as a person, you know,
to be able to work
with him as a team.
- Good; well, don't break
that trust, William.
You have to stay
on good behavior.
- I got you.
- Try not to--
yeah, stay out of trouble.
- Okay, will do.
- We'll keep in touch.
- See you.
- Bye.
- All right, bye.
Appreciate y'all.
- Danielle has been in contact
with BJ for six years.
- I was shot multiple times.
BJ was there for me.
He's keeping a huge secret.
- "I know who Danielle
is really talking to."
- Whoa.
There are two people coming.
Is that them?
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
- What's going on?
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