Catfish: The TV Show (2012–…): Season 6, Episode 13 - Johnny & Connor - full transcript

- What?
- No!

- I [bleep] knew it!
- What are you doing here?

- I need your help.

- How does a catfish fall
for a catfish?

- You know--
- I know how the game works.

- How the game works.

- You were talking
to Connor for a while.

He's, "Oh, and by the way, my
roommate's your ex-boyfriend."

- What? Wait a minute.

He found someone who is
so similar to his ex-boyfriend,

that it might actually be
his ex-boyfriend.



- Or is he messing with us?

- Now I swear to [bleep] God,
if he ends up being Connor,

I'm gonna slap the taste
out of his mouth.

[dramatic musical sting]

All right, buddy.
- [grunting]

- That's just making me tired.

- Ready?

- Whoa!
- Oh.

- Yeah, aced it.

[glass shatters]
- Oh!

- All right, fun's over.

- All right, here we are.

Here's an email from jman90.

"I should know better,
but I'm stuck.



"Dear Nev and Max,
my name is Jonathon.

I'm 25 years old and live
in Northern California."

- My name is Jonathon.
- I know, I was trying

to remember the name of the guy
from Monterey.

- It wasn't Jonathon.
- Oh. What was his name?

- Was that?
- I don't even know.

- "I have fallen in love
with a guy named Connor,

"who lives near San Francisco.

"It all started when we matched
on Tinder over five months ago.

- ♪ Don't look back
I want to break free ♪

♪ If you'll never
see it coming ♪

♪ You'll never have to hide ♪

- "Aside from his banging body,

both: LOL.
- "We connected

on a mental level
and shared similar interests."

- ♪ Oh, ooh, ♪

♪ They'll never break
the shape we take ♪

- "One day,
Connor went off the grid."

- Ghosted.
- "He never went

"onto his Tinder account,

"so I could not
communicate with him.

"That is, until recently,
when he reappeared.

"Anyway, I let it go,
and once again, we hit it off.

"But five months
is a long time not to meet,

"or at least talk on the phone.

"I admit, I do love him,

"and I've tried not to,
but I can't help it.

"I'm really starting
to get concerned

"that I'm being lied to.

Hope you guys read this.
Jonathon."

Not having a phone
conversation--

at least just once--
is always bad.

- We need to find out more
about this Jonathon guy.

See what his story is.

- Right.

What?
- No!

I [bleep] knew it!

- What are you [bleep] doing?

- I [bleep] knew it.
I said that.

- What are you doing here?

- I need your help.

- So, who are you?

- Uh, my name is Johnny.
I didn't mean to catfish you.

I'm not out to my family,

and I've never dated a guy
up until this year.

- Okay, Jonathon, I can't
believe it's you, it's crazy.

- I don't think we've ever
known you as Jonathon.

You were Johnny.
- Yeah, I wasn't sure

if you would help me,

being as I was
a previous catfish,

so I wrote in as Jonathon
instead.

- So, I take it things
didn't work out with Andrew.

- I think, based
on what we both need,

we should be good friends
for one another.

I think that's more important
right now.

- We just weren't
each other's match.

- Wait a second, how does
a catfish fall for a catfish?

You know all the things.
- That's right.

- You don't know
if it's a catfish.

It could actually be the person
that they say they are.

- This is now a sequel.
- It's true.

- We need a new pick up line

that's funnier
than meet my balls.

- So, his opening line
after they match was,

"Are you spaghetti?

Because I want you
to meet my balls."

- [laughs]

- What I messaged Connor was,
"Are you a racehorse?

Because when I ride,
you always finish first."

[horse neighs]
- [laughs]

- There it is.

All right, Johnny,
we just read your email.

For five months, you've been
talking to this new guy Connor.

Tell us kind of how it went.

- So, we matched on Tinder,

we talked for
a few months on there.

You know, we would
just talk every day,

and then he just disappeared.

- For how long?
- About a month.

- All right, and did he have
an excuse for what happened?

- Well, he said he lost
his phone, or he deleted--

yeah, he lost his phone.
- Come on.

This guy's--come on, Johnny.
- How can you fall for this?

- This guy's full of [bleep].
- You're a catfish.

- It's a possibility, you know,
he's full of [bleep],

but I don't wanna believe it.

- So, wait, wait,
how many pictures

have you seen of this guy?

- So, like, after
he disappeared on Tinder,

he actually reached out
to me on Instagram.

I looked up his pictures,
and I didn't find anything.

I don't have the last name,

so I can't look for his
social media,

like his Facebook,
or his Twitter, or anything.

All I have is his Instagram.

I gave him my number
on Instagram,

and then he finally reached out
to me and texted me.

- You guys texting now?

- Yeah, now we
started texting, yeah.

- Did you try calling him?

- I tried calling him;
he doesn't answer.

I tell him to call me;
he won't call me.

- How serious
is this relationship?

- It's pretty serious;

like, we have plans
for the future already.

- Really?
- Yeah, I love him.

both: You love him?
- Yeah.

- And does he love you?

- I hope so, yeah, of course.

He sends me the kissy emojis,
so he has to.

- But he won't say it
to your ear.

- No, that's why I really want
to hear him say it.

- And what do you like
about Connor so much?

- Yeah, aside from the steaming
hot body,

he just makes me
feel comfortable.

Like, you know, I can be myself.

He doesn't judge me based on
who I am or my past.

He just, like,
he's there for me.

- All right, well, look, Johnny.
I wanna help you

because I think you've already
learned your lesson

about not being a catfish.

Now you need to learn
your lesson

about how to not get catfished.

- That's a lesson
I wanna learn.

- We're gonna get on

the first flight tomorrow
morning to come see you.

- All right.
- Johnny.

- Or Jonathon.
- Be good. All right?

- See you tomorrow.
- Okay.

- I can't believe it.
- It's Johnny.

- It's Johnny.

- How is this happening
to Johnny?

- I don't know. I mean--

- He knows.
- I know.

- I mean, it's amazing.

We're gonna help
a former catfish...

- That's right.
- Find his catfish.

- All right, let's go.
- All right.

- It's 5:40 a.m.

It's definitely way too early
to be doing anything.

Someone special's coming
on the road with us.

- It's too late.
- It's too early.

- It's too early.

- ♪ This is here,
tonight's the night ♪

♪ The curtain's closed
be all right ♪

- Okay, well, we got here
a little early,

so we're both gonna take a nap.

Nev is gonna nap.
- This is my pillow.

I call him Max.
- [laughs]

- This is my pillow.
- Ooh.

- I call her Priscilla.
[both laugh]

- Monterey.
- Something is afoot

in Monterey.

Why won't this person

talk to Johnny on the phone?

- All right, I think we're here.

[knocking]

- All right, so we already
know this guy.

- We're old friends.

- We are old friends.
- We know this guy.

- Hey!
- Hey, what's up guys?

- Here's Johnny.
- How are you doing?

Here's Johnny. Let's go inside.

- All right, Johnny,
we're not gonna be like,

nice and easy on you,
because we know you already.

- I feel like you would be
less likely to get catfished,

having been a catfish,
because you know...

- I know how the game works.
- How the game works.

- I know the excuses,
I know everything.

- So, what--I'm just curious,

what happened
when the episode aired?

- It was actually very positive,

'cause, like, you know, like,
my friends were supportive,

my family was supportive

when it came to me coming out,

and you know,
they were proud of me

for, like, not being
so ashamed of it no more.

- It's amazing.
Was that a giant, like, relief

for you?
- It was a big relief, yeah.

- Did you go out on some dates?
- No, I didn't go on dates.

- So, you haven't had
a relationship since Andrew?

- No.
- Wow.

- So you've never hooked up
with a guy?

- No, I've never hooked up
with a guy.

- Have you ever kissed a guy?

- Oh yeah, Camron.
- Right, your ex?

- My ex, he was my first kiss
and everything, you know?

When he broke up with me,
like, you know,

it left me, like,
really depressed,

so I made the fake profile

hoping to match with my ex,

and see if he had moved on.

With Connor, I think
he reminds me of my ex,

and, like, I--you know,
I'm trying to, like, have,

like, the same relationship
as I once had.

- Could it be your ex?

How much does he remind you
of your ex?

- [laughs] Well, there's
something I didn't

tell you guys.

- Here we go.

- Connor told me that
he lives with my ex.

both: What?
- Yeah.

- Wait a minute. Time out.
Connor told you--

- Are you kidding me?
- No.

- This is ridiculous.
- Thing is,

so you've been talking
to this Connor

for a while, he's,
"Oh, and by the way,

my roommate's
your ex-boyfriend."

- The plot thickens.

Roommate?
- What?

- Yeah, they live together.

- That's insane. You solved it.

Look.

[shuts camera screen]
Case closed.

End of story. It's Camron.

- It could be. At the time
I thought maybe Camron

had something to do
with why Connor deleted me,

or unmatched me, or whatever.

- Why wouldn't you have
called your ex?

- I tried, he doesn't answer
my calls,

and he won't answer my texts.

- Can you think of any reason
why Camron

would invent a fake profile
to match with you?

- Yeah, I don't know
what his motive would be.

- There are a few suspects here.
I mean, think about Andrew.

Andrew was not thrilled
to be on the show.

He felt humiliated.

That would give him
the motivation to catfish you.

Can we see a picture of Connor?
- Mm-hmm.

- Let's see what
this guy looks like.

- Yeah, he's a good looking--
- He's an attractive fellow.

Look at that smirk.
Isn't that a good smirk?

- Ten posts?
- Yeah, but he told me

that he had to delete
his accounts, remember?

Because he had his phone stolen
and hacked or something?

- You don't have
to delete your account.

- If it got hacked, you do.
- Who is he? James Bond?

- Come on!

- Is it the guy
from "Mission Impossible"?

- Come on! Don't even insult me.

- He said it's--
- By trying to defend this.

- This is fake.
There are 90 followers.

- Wait, but don't you text
with him?

- Mm-hmm.
- "Good morning. Smiley face."

And then he said, "Hey baby,
how's everything going?

"I was just thinking about you.

"I'm at the movies.

"I can't wait till we get to go
to the movies together, baby.

"I was looking at all the
couples

and thinking it could be us."

- It could be real,
or it could be someone's

very manipulative way
of doing exactly

what they knew what would work
to sort of keep you on the hook.

- Fishy.
- I hope it's not.

- The bummer is, we have
very little to go off of here.

I mean, basically,
you don't know his last name.

He's got one very fresh
Instagram account,

and a phone number.

Before we get too ahead
of ourselves,

why don't we go do
a little bit of research,

and then take it from there?

- Sounds good.
- All right, man.

- Thank you guys.
- See you later, buddy.

- Thank you. See you guys.

- Who is behind
the Connor profile?

Is it Camron, his ex-boyfriend?

Is it Andrew,
the scorned hopeful,

who was on our show
and got rejected?

- Or is it Johnny?
Is he messing with us?

- What are Connor's motives?
We don't know,

but I'm afraid
that they might be malicious.

[upbeat music]
[knock at door]

- How you doing, honey?
- Hello.

- Were you pretending
like you had

your own late night
talk show last night?

[laughs]
- That's what it looks like.

Ladies and gentleman...
[laughter]

Max Joseph.

- Hey!
- Hey, it's good to see you.

- Hey!
- Have a seat.

- Okay. Ohh.

- Oh, good to see you.
- It is great to be here.

- Wow. [laughs] I mean--

All right,
so Johnny met Connor

on Tinder five months ago.

They texted through Tinder
for a couple weeks.

And then Johnny learned

that Connor happens
to be roommates

with the guy Johnny used to date
a year ago named Camron.

Clearly, something's up here.

Why is someone
messing with Johnny?

Okay, here's the email
from Johnny.

"Hey guys,
thanks again for everything.

"Here's the information
I have for Connor.

"Phone number,
his Instagram handle,

"and that's all I have.

If you wanna contact Camron,
here is his info."

So, we have Camron's
phone number,

and his Facebook page,
and his address.

- We've got some information.
- We've got something.

- All right, well, why don't we
just do the most obvious thing

and just check the photos?

- Okay.
Here we go.

All right, first pic.

- Here we go. Okay, nothing.
There are no search results.

- All right, let's go
to somebody's Instagram pics.

- Instagram pic number one.
Here we go.

No, nope, all right.
- The gym, OBGYM.

- Nope, nothing.
- Are you kidding me?

- All right, let's look up
the phone number.

- Let's look up
the phone number.

- Here we go. This is gonna
tell us everything.

- You ready? Searching.

- It comes back from Monterey.

He gave him a Monterey
phone number?

The guy says
he's from San Francisco.

- That's right. That's weird.

- Why does he have
a Monterey phone number?

- Could be someone
who saw the episode,

who knows Johnny
and wanted to mess with him.

- No, but this person
also knows Camron.

- Which means they have to know
Johnny pretty well.

- Right.
- Because he would've

talked about Camron.

- It still could be Andrew.

- My ultimate feeling
from today is,

that his main goal was
to get back with his ex,

and it's, like,
hitting me pretty heavy.

- Or it's Johnny himself.
- Right.

- He seems so wide-eyed
and naive and innocent.

- With Connor, I think
he reminds me of my ex,

and, like, I--you know, like,
I'm, trying to, like,

have, like, the same
relationship as I once had.

- What would be a scenario
or a motive for Johnny

to make this up?

Oh! He wants to get back
with Camron,

but Camron won't talk to him.

So, he made this thing look
like it could be Camron.

- No.
- So we--yes! He's trying--

he's using us to get to Camron.

It's the only thing
that makes sense.

- It is the only thing
that makes sense.

You might be onto something.

Let's keep on searching.

- Before we go any further,
though, let's just quickly look

at Camron's Facebook page.
- Sure.

Lives in San Francisco.
Everything else is private.

- Wow, that's it?

- There's not a lot we can get
off this profile, unfortunately.

We can't find the pictures.

Surely, if Connor says he lives

with Johnny's ex-boyfriend,Camron,

why don't we just call Camron?

- I mean, we've talked
about him enough.

- Yeah.
- We've talked about him

in one whole episode
from a season ago,

and now we're talking
about him again.

- Let's call the guy.

- He's basically a celebrity.

- And just to make sure
that even he's real.

- He's real.
- Who knows?

Let's see if we can get
Camron on the phone.

- All right,
get him on the horn.

[phone line trilling]

- Your call has been forwarded

to an automated voice
messaging system.

[beeps]
- Hi Camron, this is Nev

and Max from the hit
MTV series "Catfish."

We don't know if you saw
an episode that we did,

that involved
your friend Johnny.

Believe it or not,
Johnny's back on the show.

He believes he might be
getting catfished himself,

and you might be able to help
clear some of that up for us.

Please give me a call
back on this number.

Thank you.

- What do you think?
- I don't know.

- All right.
- I'm suspicious of Johnny.

- Well, it could be
an inside job.

It could be Johnny himself.

It could be
a friend of Johnny's.

It could be
Johnny's ex-boyfriend.

It could be Johnny's catfish
spurned hopeful, Andrew.

- That's true.
- It could be anyone.

It could be someone
we haven't even thought of.

- Okay, so the plan
is to go pick up Johnny,

and go straight
to San Francisco.

- He's gonna be freaked out.

The reason that we did
the first episode was Camron.

The reason we're back now
is Camron.

I mean, like, the last year and
a half of his life has been--

- Very Camron centric.
- Yeah.

- Let's just get him in the car,

we'll shake him a little bit.

Maybe he'll come clean with
something he hasn't told us.

- Exactly. There he is.

- You see him?
- Yeah.

- How are you doing?
- What's up, buddy?

- How's everything?
- Good morning.

- So we did some investigation.

We'll go over the results
in a second.

But the long and short of it

is that all roads
are pointing to Camron.

It's not to say
that it is Camron.

- If he's roommates
with your ex,

and you know
where your ex lives,

then there's really no reason

that we don't go there
and find out what's going on.

- What do you say?
- Let's go get some answers.

- All right, let's do it.

- All right.
- So we're going to S.F.

- When was the last time
you were up there?

- Actually, for my birthday
in January.

The only reason why I asked
to go to San Francisco

for my birthday,
and I had like,

all my friends go
and everything,

I was hoping to meet up
with him.

So I asked him to come out
on my birthday,

and he never,
never replied back,

never came out, nothing.

- Wow, so back in January,

you were asking Connor
or Camron to come out?

- Camron, I was asking Camron
to come out.

- And he didn't respond?

- No.
- So this guy really

has been avoiding you.
- Yeah.

And it wasn't even
like a bad break up,

so, like, there's no reason
for him to avoid me.

Like, the text messages, like,
and the phone calls,

like, it would sound
like we were exclusive;

we just didn't put
a title on it.

I mean, like, you know,
in the texts,

if he would send the gay
two guys emoji,

call me babe
and stuff like that.

So, we pretty much would act
like we're together.

- How many weeks did that
go on for?

- Two months.

And then, out of nowhere, like,
he avoided me for five days,

and then he finally just,
like, hit me with the,

"Babe, it's not you,
it's me," text.

- How do you feel about Camron?

- I don't wanna say
I still love him,

but, like, I still--
you know, I--

I guess so, yeah, I still do.

- Why don't we go over
some of the things

that we found yesterday
during the investigation.

First thing we did was we ran
all the Connor Instagram photos,

and we got no hits, anywhere.

Second thing we did,
we searched the phone number.

It comes back for Monterey.

- Maybe it's from somebody
that lives here.

- Weird that he would have
an area code from your town.

- Yeah.
- And then we called Camron.

After that we left
a message and got nothing back.

- That's--that's him.
Sounds like him.

- So we've got a few leads.

It's Connor, Camron, or Andrew.

Or a dark horse,

whose name we don't know.

Or--last option--you.

- Using us to get through
and get in touch

with your ex-boyfriend.
- Right.

Here we are, bringing you
to Camron's apartment.

I mean, you couldn't have
planned this better.

- I'm just that delusional.

- I mean, you are obsessed
with this guy.

You dated him for a month, where
you weren't in the same place.

You kissed him a few times.

Then he gave you the
"It's not you, it's me" routine.

Then you catfished
someone else about it,

then you talked about it
on the show.

I mean,
on your very own birthday,

you concocted a whole excuse

to go to San Francisco,

just on the off chance that
Camron could join the group.

So here we are.
- Obsessed much?

- Yeah, I think that you

could be using us
to get to Camron.

- I mean, you are obsessed
with this guy.

You dated him for a month.

Then he gave you the
"It's not you, it's me" routine.

I think that you could be
using us to get to Camron.

Is that the truth?

- No, it's not.
- Is that the truth?

- It's not the truth. If I want
to see him that bad, I would.

Let's just find out
who the hell it is,

and then we'll answer your
question,

whether it's me or not.

- We'll see.

There's San Francisco.

- Signs for the Golden Gate
Bridge right there.

- Oh, my God.
- Pretty close now.

No turning back.

Does this look familiar?
This area?

- Yeah.

- Oh boy, we are getting close.

- I'll park here.

- Let's do this.

- Oh my God,
I really hope it's Connor.

- Is this it?
- Here we go.

I think it's this one.
It's this.

All right, you wait here.
I'll knock.

[dramatic music]

♪ ♪

- How you doing?
- I'm freaking out.

- Hey.
- Hi there.

- How are you?
- Good.

- Nev.
- Hi.

- Good to meet you.
- What can I do for you?

- We thought perhaps someone
lived here named either Camron,

or Connor.

- I--I know a Camron.
- You do?

- Yeah. He lives upstairs.

- He lives upstairs?
- Yeah.

- Can I talk to you
for a second?

- Yeah.
- What the [bleep] is this?

- So, this is Max,
he's on the show with me.

- Hey. All right.

- And this is Johnny.
- Hey, Johnny.

Nice to meet you.

- So yeah, I mentioned
we were looking for Camron.

You said you know
Camron, and that--

- He lives
in the back unit upstairs.

- Okay, so are you
the landlord here?

- I am.
- Oh, great.

- Does Camron have
a roommate named Connor?

- Uh, no, there's nobody
named Connor that lives here.

He has a couple of roommates.

It's like a male/female couple,
but nobody named Connor.

- Do you have a picture of
Connor that you could pull up?

Have you seen a young man
who looks like that?

- No, that guy
doesn't look familiar.

I can give him a call
or a text if you want.

- Yeah, can you call him?
And you know,

he might be at work, but--

- Uh, let's see.
Hey, it's Mark.

There's a couple of guys here
looking for you, Max and Nev.

If you want to give me a call,
I guess they've called you.

You can call them back
or give me a ring.

Okay, thanks.

So, if he calls me, I'll let him
know you're looking for him.

- Okay yeah,
that would be helpful.

Thank you, Mark.
Good to meet you.

- Good luck, guys.
Appreciate it.

Hope you find
who you're looking for.

- Thank you.
- Good luck to you.

- Appreciate it.
- Bye, guys.

- What a disappointment.

- Well, the good news is,

your new love interest
doesn't live

with your old love interest.

But why would he say--
How would he know about Camron?

And why would he say
that he lives with him?

That's such a weird thing.

- And why won't he get
on the phone with you?

- What do we do?
- I'm not ready to go home.

- We get the landlord
and that's it?

You're ready to turn around?

- Well, we got some information.

I don't think Connor
is in San Francisco.

He's not roommates with Camron.

- It's Camron.
- No, I don't think it is.

Why would Camron do this?

It's someone in Monterey.

Got a Monterey phone number.

They know Johnny,
they know about Camron.

- They're not talking to you
on the phone

because you know
exactly who they are.

- Everything points us back
to where we started.

Back in the car, everybody.

- Fine.
- We're going back to Monterey.

- All that anxiety for nothing.
- I just feel like

nothing makes
any sense in this story.

There's really
no good explanation

to make all this up
and mix it in with your ex.

I'm worried that whoever
is doing this

is just messing with you.

- They're basically just playing
with my emotions at this point.

- Oh [bleep].
We got a missed call

from Camron!
- What?

- Oh [bleep].

We got a missed call...
- Oh.

- From Camron!
- What?

- All right, I'm calling him.

- Hi, Camron?

- Hi, this is Max and Nev
from "Catfish."

- The reason we called
was obviously,

it has to do
with your friend Johnny.

- Got it. Turns out that
after the episode aired,

Johnny ended up
becoming friendly

with a guy named Connor,

and Connor told Johnny

that he was actually
was your roommate.

- Can you just give me
one second?

We're gonna
pull off the road.

All right, this will do.

It was so odd to me
that he formulated this idea

that we were dating,
and that he was in love with me

because he didn't even know
who I was.

- That's a [bleep] lie.

- But you did.

- Then you shoulda said that.

- Yes.
He's in the car with us, yeah.

- You kinda led me on,
you know?

You shoulda just, like, been,
like, direct from the beginning,

and said, "You know what?

It's not gonna work out. You're
not my type," or whatever.

And that woulda hurt less.

- All right.
- I don't wanna talk to him.

- All right, well, look,
we appreciate your time.

Sorry for any inconvenience,
and thanks for your help.

both: Bye.

- So, there it is.

Closure on Camron.

- We've all had this happen
to us.

It sucks, and you never
really get over it.

Especially the first one.

- I'm just, like, thinking back
at everything

that he, like, said to me,

and I feel like everything
that he, like,

said to me is just--
was a lie from the beginning.

Like he was never even
interested in me, you know?

- Well, he said he liked you.
- People don't know, you know?

You say something, he says
something; it's exciting.

You know,
but it can quickly change.

- I've never been
through that before.

Like, I've never dated somebody,

so he was, like,
saying it indirectly.

I feel like he should have
just went straight to the point

and said, "Look,
this is not gonna work out."

- All right, so look.
Now that you understand,

things with Camron
are finished.

Now let's come back,
and let's focus

on what's going on right now.

Connor is lying, right?

He told you he was roommates
with Camron.

We know that's not true.

And until we hear from him,

I'm not sure what else
there is to do, I mean--

- Karma really is a bitch
if I don't find out who it is.

- Max. Hey, man.

Last night...

- Yeah.
- In response to our text

to Connor yesterday...
- Mm-hmm.

- He wrote back,
"Is this really 'Catfish'?"

Fair.
I said, "Hey, Connor.

Yes, it's 'Catfish.'
We need to talk."

I said, "Are you free
to meet up with us tomorrow?"

He said, "Oh [bleep], yes I am."

- So let's call him.
- Let me text him now,

and see if he can talk.

Oh, he's writing back.

"I can't talk right now,
just text."

- Right. They don't wanna
talk on the phone.

Who could this be?

It's not Camron.

It still could be Johnny.

It could be Andrew.
[phone chimes]

What did he say?
- "I know I need to stop."

Okay, great.

Why don't we meet up
and put an end to this?

- "Okay, I will send you
an address of

where we can meet
in a little bit."

It's Johnny, which is why
he doesn't wanna call us,

'cause we'll know
the second he does.

- Let's call Johnny.
[phone line trilling]

- Hello?
- Hey, Johnny.

Connor finally texted me
back last night.

Looks like he might tell us
a place to meet him.

- Oh [bleep], okay.
Let's go see who this is.

- Okay, well,
we'll see you soon.

- Okay, it's Johnny.
It's gotta be Johnny.

- I swear to [bleep] God,
if he ends up being Connor,

I'm gonna slap the taste
out of his mouth.

- I still think
that's what's happening.

He did it because he's obsessed
with his ex-boyfriend.

All right, let's do this.

- Hey.
- Hey, guys.

- There he is.
- How you doing today?

- I'm a whole mix of emotions.
- Yeah?

- Yeah.
- I have not received

an address since that text.

- This is the worst part,
is waiting for them to reply.

- Well, if we get a response,

that will at least indicate
that you're not Connor.

- Still a possibility,
- Keep your hands in the air

where I can see them.

- No, nothing--nothing yet.
- Yeah.

Something you wanna tell us?
- No.

- I mean--
[phone chimes]

Oh, oh, oh!
- Oh, oh!

So it's not you.

- All right.
- What did it say?

- It says, "You're with him now?
Where?"

At his place.

"Okay, I know where he lives.

I'm gonna catch the bus
and be there soon."

- Oh [bleep], wait. Are they--

- They're coming here.
- He's coming here?

- Yes.

- If they know where I live,

then it's not, like,
some random stranger.

- It's someone you know.

- Well, why don't we go out
and be a greeting committee?

- [sighs] This isn't happening.

[dramatic music]

♪ ♪

Oh, my God.

- I mean, it has to be someone
that you know, right?

- Yeah.
- Wait, here's someone.

- Oh. Someone's on foot.
- Is it foot, or on a bike?

- Through the hedges.

It's a girl. You know this girl?

- Wait, here's someone.
- Oh, someone's on foot.

- Is it foot, or on a bike?
- Through the hedges.

- It's a girl.
- You know this girl?

- Yes.
- Who is she?

- Oh, my God.
- Hi.

- Hi.
- How are you doing?

- Good.

- I'm Nev.
- Hey.

- What's your name?
both: Shana.

- This is Max.
both: Hi.

- Johnny.
- Are you Connor?

- Yes.

- Oh, my God.

- Who is Shana?
- Just some girl.

- Just some girl?
- How do you know Johnny?

Why have you created Connor?

- Me and him had, like,
a thing going on.

- What kind of thing?

- Like, we, like, went on dates,
we kissed, and--

- You hooked up?
- Yeah. Like, I fell for him.

- When?

- Between, like,
August, September.

- Just last year?
- What?

- Yeah.
- Okay, over the course

of a couple weeks.
- Yes.

- I thought he was gay.

- I thought he was straight.

- Wow.

- This is so embarrassing.

- According to what you've
told us, it seemed--

sounded like you were
only interested in men.

You didn't know that.
- No, because we had

a thing going on, you know?

So I feel like, if you were gay,
why didn't you just tell me?

- And did you develop
feelings for him?

- Yeah, a lot.

- And then what happened?
- And then on the show,

he comes out as you know,
liking men.

And I was like--
like, what the hell?

- I wasn't talking to her at
the time when the episode aired.

- But were you dating,
or talking before?

- Yeah.

- How did things end
with you guys?

- He just, like, you know, like,
just stopped talking to me.

Just dropped me.
You at least coulda let me know.

You don't just leave
somebody hanging.

You could have just
been up front, like,

"You know what,
this isn't going anywhere."

- Right.
- But it never did.

- Sounds very familiar, yeah.

And then, how did
the Connor profile come to be?

- I saw the show
and I feel like, okay,

what can I do to kind of, like,

get back at him,
maybe a little bit?

- You made Connor,
you matched on Tinder.

- Yes. Yes.
- How did you know

all that stuff about Camron?

- Mutual friends.

He used to talk about
his ex a lot.

- Johnny, Johnny.
I mean--

[laughter]
- Johnny.

We'll get to Johnny in a second.

Do you still have feelings
for Johnny?

- Yeah, I do.

- This is a very poetic
situation, isn't it?

Do I need to point
out the irony here?

- This is [bleep] up,
this is so [bleep] up.

I have a defense.
- So, let's hear it.

- Let's hear it. I can't wait.

- So what she said was true.
We did have a thing going on.

But in my defense,

we would only talk
through Snapchat

or Facebook
or whatever.

- Then you met
in person multiple times?

- Yeah, but you
don't tell some--

- But you had
a way to communicate.

- Yeah, but I don't
wanna take somebody--

I don't wanna break
somebody's heart in person.

- No, but you could have.
[all speaking]

- You coulda told me.

It woulda been better

if you told me,
like, right now, in direct.

- All right, whoa, stop, stop,
stop, stop, stop.

Let's do this. Okay?
- Okay.

- Why did you stop
hanging out with Shana?

- I don't want this to come off
as, like, I was just using you,

or like exploring my sexuality,

'cause I did like what we had.

But I just wasn't interested.

- Well, you shoulda said that.

Why didn't you say it?
You had plenty of time to say it

right in my face, just like now.

You had plenty of time
to say it.

- It's just amazing to me
how you spent

all day yesterday whining.

"Camron didn't give me
clear signals."

Meanwhile, you did the exact
same thing to Shana.

Yes, while what Shana did--
pretending to be Connor

and drawing you out
into this thing--

is [bleep] up--it's a wash.

This is karma.

- Thank you.
- You're welcome.

- Like, you had
plenty of time to tell me.

- Yeah, I know.
I get that now.

- I really don't think you
get it whatsoever.

- I don't know what to say.

This whole thing
is embarrassing.

- How do you think I felt?
- Jesus, I can't believe

this [bleep] played out
this way.

- Max?
- Nev.

- We've obviously been
talking a lot.

I think maybe you and Johnny

should discuss this
a little bit further.

I have some questions for Shana.

So I'm gonna talk to Shana
for a minute;

you guys talk
amongst yourselves.

- Yeah, let's go.
Let's go inside.

- So, is this sort of
what you imagined,

or how you pictured this going?

- No.
- I'm just--

like, how long
have you known him?

Like a year?
Two years? Ten years?

- Like two.
- Okay. He says, "Well, yeah,

"I was hanging out with her,

"but, like, I wasn't telling her
I liked her or anything,

so why did she think
I was into her?" It's like--

- Because your actions
speak louder than your words.

- Well, right. We know that.
He just doesn't--

Does he really just not get it?

- The time that we spent,
I mean,

you could text somebody all day
and stuff,

but that's not really
spending time.

- Right, the relationship
he had with his ex,

that he claims
that was so intimate,

they barely ever hung out.

It was always text.
- Texting.

- Whereas, with you,
he was actually

spending time with you.

But you weren't texting.
So, for him it's like,

well that wasn't a relationship.

We were just hanging out
as friends.

- Which, that was considered
almost a relationship.

- It was more of
a relationship than--

- 'Cause you're more like
physically face to face, like--

- Right. The whole situation's
pretty, pretty weird.

- I feel like [bleep].
Like, I did to her

what Camron did to me.

And I didn't even know
that I was doing it.

- Everyone ends up being
the bad guy

at some point in their lives.

- Mm-hmm.
It's a terrible feeling.

- It's a bad feeling.

You were totally blind
to the fact

that you were hurting
someone else.

The same way that you
were being hurt.

- I wasn't expecting all this.
- It hurts them a lot less

if you're up front
and honest about it,

than it does when you beat
around the bush.

And you know that now
from being on both ends of it.

- This is a lesson
I needed to learn.

- It's a lesson that
everyone needs to learn.

- I wanna give to her what
Camron never gave to me,

and I wanna, like,
apologize to her in person.

- And mean it.
- Yeah.

- All right, so look, you had
something you wanted to say.

- Yeah, we talked.
- Basically, I wanna

say it to your face
and say that I'm sorry.

And I never meant
to hurt your feelings.

I don't wanna hurt
anybody's feelings.

So, you know,
I'm sorry for that,

and I hope you can
accept my apology.

- And, Shana, what was
your goal?

Was it to find out
if he was attracted to men?

Was it to trick him back into
a relationship with you somehow?

- Yeah, both.

- And then you realized
that he was into guys, right?

- Yes.
- Once you got that answer,

why keep it going?

- Maybe I just didn't
wanna believe it.

You're still not
giving me an answer.

- What--what--what answer
do you want?

If I'm gay?

- Or are you bisexual?
- Or if I'm bisexual?

I don't--I don't know
the answer to that.

I could be either one.
I haven't explored

enough to know that,

and I don't think
that's anybody else's business.

- The question you really wanna
know is, is he really into you?

- Right.
- And he's not.

And that sucks.
- Yeah.

- So, that's--that's that.
- Just the way that we told

Johnny his relationship
with Camron is over.

I think you guys
should probably let this go.

- Mm-hmm.
- You taught him a lesson,

he saw what he did wrong,
and he apologized,

and I appreciate
that you did that,

and I think Shana does as well.

And Shana, same to you, like,
if you're talking to a guy,

and then he goes on TV
and says he's gay, let it go.

You know what I mean?

Like, that's him
telling you he's gay.

Even if he didn't do it
straight to your face.

- Yes.
- You know what I mean?

All right, well, Shana,

thank you for helping
clear this up,

- Sure.
- And for being honest

and communicating
your feelings to Johnny,

so that he can learn from them.

We're gonna say good-bye.
- [laughs]

- Yeah.
- Bye.

- Bye.

- Bye, Connor.
- ♪ Memories you're making ♪

♪ A frame inside your heart ♪
- So, that's that.

- Thank you so much.

- I guess I'll see you
next season.

- Yeah, see you season seven.
- All right, man.

- Thank you
- Good luck.

- Thank you for everything.

- ♪ Ohh ♪

♪ Life's what you make it ♪

- What a story.

- Unbelievable.
Few people in their life

get such a clear lesson
like that.

- Yeah.
- I mean, that was served up

on a plate to him.

- I think he got it.
- Wow.

Well, I can't wait
for the coda on this.

- ♪ Life's what you make it ♪

[phone line trilling]

- Shana!
- Hi.

- Hey.
- What up?

- Hey, what's going on guys?
- So--

- Shana, what's been going on?
- Nothing much.

Hanging out, chilling.

- Have you talked
at all to Johnny?

- Come on, give us an update.

- Yes, we're friends.
We are friends,

and we hung out,
like, two weeks ago.

Went to a baseball game.

- Did anyone get to first
or second base?

[crowd cheering]

- No, none of that.
We actually had fun

and we enjoyed the game.

- Now that you're finished
with him,

and you're not confused,

are you dating someone else?

- Nice. Well, happy
everything worked out.

- Thank you. Bye, you guys.

both: Bye.

[phone line trilling]

both: Johnny!
- How are you guys doing?

- What's going on?

- I haven't been up to much
except for school and work.

- No one special right now?

- No. I've been back
on other dating sites,

just to see what comes
around my way,

but, you know,
anybody I do match with,

they're like 50 miles away,
and stuff like that.

- We need you to fall in love
with someone

on the Internet again,

so we can get you
in episode number three.

- Yeah, you gotta do it.

You gotta go
for a hat trick, now.

- Well, we're rooting for you.

I would say good-bye,
but I'm sure--

I'm sure I'll see you again.Later.

- Bye, guys.
- Bye, Johnny.

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