Catfish: The TV Show (2012–…): Season 5, Episode 16 - Candic & Titus - full transcript
After months of intimate text exchanges with a man she met online, named Titus, Candic has decided to finally stop and fess up to her husband. But before she does, she needs Nev and Max to help her find out who Titus really is!
- You'’re married.
- Yes.
But I can'’t lie,
I did kind of think, you know,
the grass might be greener
on the other side.
- Is she cheating
on her husband?
- Oh, my God.
That'’s what it feels like.
Could be this guy.
- Ooh, died August 6, 2011.
That'’s crazy.
- Isn'’t that weird?
He was one
of my really good friends.
- What?
- Yeah.
- Did he have, like,
a crush on you?
- I mean, it'’s possible.
- Possible?
- Oh, man.
- Yo-yo.
Can you walk the dog?
Whoa!
- Come on up. Come back.
- This was the old iPhone.
When you were bored,
you played with this.
- You'’re gonna hurt somebody,
and it'’s gonna be you.
- Ow.
[laughter]
- All right.
We got an email, Nev.
- Uh-oh.
Candic.
- "My mistakes could cost me
my one true love."
- "Dear Nev and Max,
my name is Candic
"and I'’m a 27-year-old living
in McConnellsburg, PA.
"A few months ago,
I met a guy named Titus
through a retail app
I use for work."
- ♪ Take a look at me
♪ I'’m your type of gal ♪
- "At first, he messaged me
"about an item
I had listed for sale,
but soon we started chatting
about other things."
- ♪ I want to be with you
all of the time ♪
♪ You'’ve got a good touch ♪
♪ I want to make it
last longer ♪
- "I'’ve been going through
a difficult time
"in my personal life
and Titus has been there
"to listen, encourage,
and support me emotionally
in a way that'’s been missing
from my life for a while."
- ♪ I want to be with you
all of the time ♪
- "Titus lives in the town over
from me, but we'’ve never met."
- Wah-wah.
- "We'’ve never even talked
over the phone."
- Oh, my God.
- But wait a second,
so what is this all about?
"So this is where my story
becomes complicated.
I'’ve been married
for over seven years."
- Whoa.
- Whoa.
"And I have a beautiful
four-year-old daughter.
"I love my family,
but for the past year,
it'’s been really hard for my
husband and I to communicate."
- ♪ It'’s all because of you ♪
- "Titus and I have
an emotional connection.
"It feels like
I'’m betraying my husband
"and I'’m ready to put a stop
to this relationship
"and to come clean
to everyone.
"But most importantly, I need to
tell my husband the truth
and face the consequences."
- ♪ I do it for you
♪ Do it for you
- "Please help me
make things right."
- Time out. She hasn'’t talked
to him on the phone.
She hasn'’t met him,
she hasn'’t kissed him,
she hasn'’t slept with him.
- Right.
- She'’s done nothing wrong.
- Right.
- She should just drop Titus.
- Right, she could just--right.
- Not write into the show
and live the rest of her life
as if this thing didn'’t happen.
- Well, no, but I think what
she'’s going through right now
is she clearly wasn'’t able
to fix things
with her husband
the way they were going.
- So she wanted someone
to be intimate with.
- She didn'’t even know
she wanted that.
It happened, kind of,
by accident.
- Right. So she feels like
she'’s maybe emotionally cheated
a little bit
on her husband.
She wants to come clean.
- Yeah.
She doesn'’t know how
to get out of this situation
and she needs help
and she feels like
we'’re the right people
to help her.
- All right, well,
let'’s call her.
Let'’s get her
on the horn.
- Okay, here we go.
[Skype trilling]
- Hi.
- Hello.
- Hi.
- Hi, Candic.
- How'’s it going?
- Good.
We just read your email.
- Yeah.
- And you'’re in
a very interesting situation.
- It'’s a little complicated.
- Uh, yeah.
Yeah, it'’s definitely
complicated.
- You'’re married right now.
- Yes.
- And what'’s his name?
- Jamie.
We met in army training
and military.
- And you have
a four-year-old daughter.
- Yes.
My daughter'’s name is Addison.
- Cute name.
- We call her Addie.
- So kind of explain to us
things with your husband
are maybe a little estranged
at the moment.
- Uh, Jamie is a good person.
It'’s the communication
that we have issues with.
He'’s just hard to talk to.
He'’s been overseas
for the military.
And he'’s very shut down
about anything emotional.
You know, my childhood
was pretty rough.
Quite a few
traumatic experiences
that I'’ve been through,
so I need
that emotional outlet,
but trying to communicate
with my husband
is like trying to talk
to a wall.
- Since you guys
have been married,
have you been together
for most of that time, or...
- Yes.
We'’ve never broken up.
There'’s never been any kind
of infidelity on either side.
This is the first thing that
I'’m going to have to confess
that is gonna kill him.
That'’s the biggest part
I'’m nervous about
is trying to tell him
about it.
- Okay, so walk us through
meeting Titus.
- I met him on
a local shopping app.
- What were you trying to sell?
- A purse.
- A purse?
- Yes.
Pretty much my job is buying
and reselling fashion items.
- And a guy was looking
at the purse item for sale.
- Yeah, basically.
- [laughing]
- [laughing]
- Did it sell?
- Since that, yes.
But not to him.
He wasn'’t interested
in buying it at all.
He was just interested
in hitting me up, I guess.
So we'’ve been talking
for a few months.
Small chit-chat led into
telling him
all of my life secrets.
- Wow.
- There was somebody giving me
attention and listening
to what I had to say for once.
It just really felt amazing.
- Have you ever imagined
what it might be like
if you did eventually
meet him?
- I can'’t lie,
I thought about it.
We never sexted or never sent
any dirty pictures
or anything like that.
But I did kind of think,
you know,
the grass might be greener
on the other side.
- You know that doing this
is going to create a situation
in which you have to confess
something to your husband.
I guess my big question is
why make a mountain
out of this molehill?
- Well, Titus is giving me
the emotional support I need.
But he knows more about me
than I know about him.
I want to know who I'’ve told
all of my secrets to.
- I mean, look, if giving you
the opportunity to meet Titus
so that you can not wonder
who was this person
is the best thing for you
and your family,
then, like,
that'’s what we need to do.
- Thank you.
- Let us, uh, pack our things
and head out to you.
We'’ll figure this out.
- Okay, great.
- All right, bye, Candic.
- Bye.
- Thank you.
- This is interesting
and different.
- I feel for her.
I mean, but if she really wants
to get back together
with her husband
and make things right again,
then why did she call us?
- I'’ll tell you why.
- Why?
- Because mystery
is the greatest aphrodisiac.
She'’s been dreaming of this guy
who'’s so perfect
and, like, emotionally there
for her.
And I think for her own
satisfaction and closure and,
sort of, ability to move on
from Titus
and hopefully fix things
with her husband,
she needs to, like, meet him
so she can be, like,
"Okay, you'’re actually not
the person
"that I had dreamed you were
that'’s gonna, like,
fix everything." Right.
- "Now I can get back together
with my husband
and everything will be great."
- Right, totally.
All right,
let'’s get this train rolling.
This way to Pennsylvania.
- Thank you.
- One ticket to "Catfish,"
please.
- ♪ Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah
♪ I'’m trippin'’ on your love ♪
- That'’s us.
- ♪ Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah
♪ Trippin'’ on your love ♪
- Staying in this adorable
bed and breakfast.
Look at those pillows
with the doilies.
A candle walking through here.
Lots of Chinese checkers.
All that'’s left to do now
is sign the guest book.
- ♪ Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah
♪ Trippin'’ on your love ♪
- Candic just texted me.
She says,
"Hey, guys, it'’s Candic.
Is there a possibility
"to meet somewhere
other than my house?
My husband is home.
Let me know. Thanks."
- Are we now--
- Is she cheating on her husband
with us?
- Oh, my God.
That'’s what it feels like.
- We'’re an accessory.
- We'’re accessories.
- Hey, Candic, no problem.
Why don'’t you meet us at
our adorable bed and breakfast?
- Boom.
Way to go.
All right, get me
when something happens.
- All right.
[doorbell rings]
- Oh, someone here?
- Yeah.
Come on, Max.
all: Hey.
- All right, what'’s up?
How are you?
- Good, how are you?
- Great.
- Hi.
- Hi.
- Nice to meet you.
- You too.
- Let'’s chat.
Come on,
have a seat over here.
All right, so, you mentioned
very briefly on the Skype call
that you had kind of crazy
experiences growing up
that were traumatic.
- Yes.
- So why don'’t
we just start there?
- Everything started
when I was really, really young.
My dad was a hemophiliac.
He needed a transfusion
and he was infected with HIV.
But by the time he knew,
my mom was too.
And then my mom deteriorated
really fast.
She died when I was six.
My dad felt a lot of guilt
from that.
He turned into
a raging alcoholic.
We were basically
put into foster care.
When I was old enough to,
I started turning to drinking.
And then I was feeling
pretty bad about myself
when I decided to join
the military.
I just wanted to do something
with my life.
I didn'’t want to drink
everything away
and let my whole future
go down the drain.
And it was the best decision
I ever made.
I met Jamie. Jamie pulled me
out of alcoholism.
- How'’d you get to where
you guys are now
where you feel like there'’s this
sort of distance between you?
- I'’m older now.
I have a kid.
Like, my priorities
are totally different,
and doing a lot
of self-reflection.
And things that I have put off
feeling for so long
are coming out.
I miss my mom.
My whole life,
anybody that asks me,
I'’m like, "It'’s fine.
I'’m used to it.
She'’s been gone
for a long time.
But now, it'’s like she didn'’t
get to see my daughter
come into the world.
She doesn'’t get to give me
advice now.
And I actually care.
It affects me.
- Why is that creating an issue
between you and Jamie?
- Basically,
I can'’t talk to Jamie.
I'’ve tried.
He has a lot of issues
stemming from fighting
overseas.
So, when I try to say something
to Jamie about it,
it goes nowhere.
And you kind of think, like,
"Can I live like this forever?
Can he change?
Can he open up like that?"
- So you have a need
that'’s not being met.
- Exactly.
- So one day,
you'’re on the internet
and what happens?
- I get a message from Titus.
He'’s just giving me
a compliment
on my profile picture.
And from there we started
small talking.
And it felt really easy
to talk to him.
It felt like the outlet
that I'’ve been longing for
just appeared in my phone.
And it progressed into
really emotional conversations
all about me
and it felt good.
- You did say that you guys
have tried to meet up, right?
- Yes. I was trying
to get him to meet me.
I just wanted to tell him
thank you and clear the air
so that I could tell my husband,
but he refused.
He didn'’t want to meet me.
And it'’s hard to tell
my husband
when I don'’t even know
who I'’m telling him about.
- We haven'’t done...
- Right.
- Any research yet,
but we found
that when someone lives
close to you...
- Right.
- And won'’t either meet you
or get on the phone with you,
it'’s generally because
their voice
will give them away.
Either they'’re someone
you know already
or they'’re someone
of the opposite sex.
- If he'’s not
who he says he is,
I would like to know
who I'’m talking to.
Who I'’ve told everything
about myself to.
I want to know who that is.
- Okay, let'’s see this guy.
- Okay.
Here'’s the picture I got.
- So this is the most recent
picture he sent you?
- Yes.
- I can see that
your conversation
is mostly very, like...
- General.
- Pleasant, day-to-day,
general stuff.
And he said,
"All good, beautiful."
- So he calls you beautiful.
- Yeah.
- That'’s...flirty.
Well, so, I guess the first
thing we need to do
is figure out who Titus is.
Then, you know, once we have
that information,
we can actually start to,like,
put the rest of the pieces
of this puzzle together.
- Okay.
- All right.
- Bye.
- Bye, see you tomorrow.
- Thank you.
- I mean, I definitely
understand now a lot better
why she'’s in the position
she'’s in.
- This is a cry for help
from her.
- For her and him, for him.
- And for Jamie.
She'’s crying out
for both of them.
- Yeah.
- She needs to talk to someone.
She needs to connect.
- Yeah.
- I still think that she doesn'’t
just want to meet Titus
just to say thank you
to the good Samaritan.
I mean, she'’s curious.
- Right. Very, yeah.
- I thought we were going
to a cafe.
- I think it'’s a cafe, brewery,
chocolate factory all in one.
- I mean, is that not the best
kind of factory there is?
Let'’s do it.
- Let'’s do it.
Hello.
- Homemade marshmallows?
Oh, my God.
- Sorry, marshmallow,
I have to do this.
Stop, you'’re drowning me!
I'’m melting!
- [laughing]
A sugar high.
- Whoo!
- Watch out.
[laughing]
All right,
we got some work to do.
Candic has been married
for seven years,
but because her husband
was overseas and fought,
he'’s very closed off
and doesn'’t like
to talk about how he feels.
- She'’s starting to think
more about things
that happened in the past.
- Right. Her mom passed away.
- And she has no way to express
her feelings or her pain.
She needs kind of an outlet
to talk about them
and Jamie has never been
that person.
- She starts talking to
this guy, Titus,
she met on
a local shopping app.
She really opened up
and developed, like,
an emotional connection
with this guy.
Now she doesn'’t know
what to do.
She wants to tell her husband
the truth
for her own closure and ability
to move on from Titus.
I think the possibility
is very strong
that Titus might actually
be a woman.
- It'’s either a woman
or it'’s someone
whose voice she would recognize.
- Right.
- We definitely have
our work cut out for us.
- Yeah.
Here we go.
"Hey, Nev and Max, so here'’s the
information I have on Titus."
She'’s got his profile
from the retail app.
- Right.
- She'’s got his phone number.
"The one picture that he sent me
is attached.
He says he has no other
social media."
- Let'’s search for
the phone number first.
- All right, searching
the phone number, here we go.
- Hey, yo.
- Okay, cool, check this out.
Carrier, it'’s a VOIP.
Oh, from Pinger.
That'’s an app.
- So someone is using
a text app to talk to Candic.
So that'’s weird.
- Well, maybe she would
have recognized
the real phone number.
- Creepy.
- Very.
The fastest way to probably kind
of get to the bottom of this
would be to do
a reverse image search.
All right, well, let'’s search
this one picture
we have of him, then.
All right,
here goes nothing.
- Oh, you got one!
- What is this?
- Stevennum.blog.
- Let'’s just look up...
both: Stevennum.
- Steven Vennum on Instagram.
- Whoa.
both: There he is.
- We found the mask.
- Where is he located? Are any
of these pictures tagged?
- Hold on, I'’m looking.
We'’re looking.
- With a location tag?
You can see it on your phone.
- Yeah, let'’s look on my phone.
- All right,
where are these pictures?
- Let'’s see if he'’s on any maps.
- Oh, here'’s--oh!
- Looks like he'’s close to--
- Sacramento.
- Look him up on Facebook.
- There he is.
Mechanical contractor.
Sacramento.
- Could this be the guy?
- Titus says he doesn'’t have
any other social media.
- Right.
- So clearly Titus is using
this guy'’s pictures.
- Okay.
So we found the mask, but we
have no idea who Titus is.
- Right. Oh, wait,
let'’s check out this retail app.
All right, Titus D.
- Oh, wow.
- Okay, so there is
a photo of him.
Check this out, his public
profile link is Spencer D.
- Wow.
- Maybe his name
is Spencer Duncan.
- That'’s a good call.
- Because Titus is a kind of
strange name.
- Spencer D.
- And why would his URL
be Spencer D.
and not Titus D.?
So let'’s look up Spencer Duncan.
- So search for Spencer Duncan
Chambersburg.
Oh. Army--
- A specialist?
- Spencer C. Duncan.
- Ah, ooh, died August 6, 2011.
That'’s crazy.
- Isn'’t that weird?
And he'’s buried in Chambersburg.
- Oh, man.
Wait a second.
If Spencer Duncan was a soldier
from Pennsylvania,
I feel like there'’s
a really good chance
she knows this person.
- I think if we say
Spencer D. to her...
- Yeah.
- That should illuminate
something hopefully.
- That could--yeah.
- All right, well, let'’s go over
and tell her.
- The crazy thing
is really going to be
what happens
when we tell Candic
that it looks like the guy
she'’s talking to
whose name is really
Spencer D.
Is that going to ring
some bell?
Did she know the guy that died
named Spencer Duncan?
- I would venture to guess
that they'’re not getting
on the phone with her
because she knows--
- Right.
- She'’d recognize their voice
and would know who they were.
[doorbell rings]
- Hi, welcome back.
- Hey, thank you.
- So, we found some stuff.
And we want to talk about it
with you because we'’re hoping
that you can kind of
make some sense
out of what we found.
- Okay.
- All right, so, first,
we searched the phone number.
And it told us that it'’s a,
like,
a voice internet phone number,
like, a text app.
- So it'’s not even
his phone number.
- It'’s a made up
phone number.
- If he used his real number
to talk to you,
and it was registered
to his real name,
it probably would have
come back.
so it'’s a little weird.
- Yeah.
Okay.
- So then we just did
an image search for the picture
of Titus that he sent you.
And it came back with one hit.
- Okay.
- When you go to the account,
you can see the URL
is stevennum.
- Okay, so could that be
a name?
- It'’s something that'’s worth
searching.
- Right. Well, so that'’s what
we did, we searched it.
And, boom,
that'’s the photo
that'’s in his shopping app
profile.
- So this guy'’s name is Steven.
- Yeah.
- And there you can see
in the info...
- Sacramento.
So the guy in the pictures,
his name'’s Steven,
and he lives in California.
- Okay.
- It seems like the person
you'’re talking to
is using this guy'’s pictures.
- Okay, so, how do we
find out who that is?
- Now that was what
we were wondering
and what we were hoping
to do next.
- Okay.
- You know, when you go to
your retail page, your name
is obviously Candic P.
- Mm-hmm.
- Well, on his page
look what it says.
- Spencer...
both: D.
- There'’s--I know somebody
named Spencer Duncan.
He was somebody that
I trained with in military,
but he died in Afghanistan.
- Well, that'’s what we
were going to ask you
because we searched
Spencer Duncan,
and we found a bunch of stuff
about a deceased serviceman.
- Yeah, he was one
of my really good friends.
- Really?
- Yes.
- It'’s really weird
that Titus'’s profile
would be Spencer D.
- It says Spencer D.
- And he says his last name
is Duncan.
- Yeah, Titus Duncan.
So...
- Who else knows that you were
friends with Spencer?
- All of our, like,
training buddies.
- And how many of those
training buddies are here?
- In Pennsylvania?
- In Pennsylvania.
- Like, one.
- Who?
- His name was Slinger.
He lives in Philadelphia,
so it'’s not, like, super far,
but it'’s not real close either.
But maybe that would be why
he couldn'’t just meet.
- Did he have, like,
a crush on you?
- I don'’t think so.
- Would he know that you use
that shopping app?
- I mean, it'’s possible.
- Possible.
- I thought it was possible.
- Who else knows that you use
this retail app?
- My sister.
- Does she know about Spencer?
- She knows about him.
She never met him,
but she knows about him.
- Do you and your sister
get along?
- For the most part.
Like, we had a fight today.
- Does your sister know
about Titus?
Have you told her...
- Mm-hmm.
- That you'’re talking to him?
- Mm-hmm.
- And what does she say?
- Nothing.
- I just told her about it.
She doesn'’t really know
the extent of everything.
- It could be your sister.
- Yeah.
- It could be this Slinger.
We know that there is
a connection,
but we don'’t know
what it is.
It'’s someone who knows that you
and Spencer knew each other.
- I don'’t even know
how to feel right now.
I don'’t know what to say.
It'’s too weird to me
that it--I don'’t know.
- ♪ Wake up
♪ This is more
than just a daydream ♪
♪ Feel it
in your brightest dream ♪
- How am I supposed to feel?
- ♪ Let it go
- We don'’t want to make you
suspicious of anybody.
But the truth is we don'’t know
who you'’re talking to.
They found you
in a very specific way.
And some strange coincidencessuggest
that they might be someone
from your past.
And that'’s really all we know.
- Yeah, the only thing left
to do
is just reach out
and call the number.
And you have the number.
- Right.
So, do you want me
to call?
- I mean,
normally I would call,
but I just think because
of the sensitivity
of the situation here,
I think it has to come
from you.
- That'’s fine. I'’m willing.
- It'’s your--yeah.
- I'’ll call.
- See what happens.
Have you ever tried calling him?
- No.
[phone trilling]
I don'’t know
what'’s gonna happen.
- You have reached
your friend'’s voicemail.
Leave your message
after the tone.
[phone beeps]
- Hey, Titus, it'’s Candic.
Um, I have Nev and Max
from the show "Catfish" here
to help me and you connect,
so it would be really great
if you could call us back.
Thank you.
So, how was that?
- Good.
- Okay.
- Now at least he knows
you'’re serious about meeting.
We'’re here. Hopefully whoever
it is will respond.
Fingers crossed.
- Okay.
- And then we'’ll decide
what we want to do next.
[phone ringing]
- Hey, Candic.
- Okay.
- Progress. It'’s progress.
- Yeah, well, I guess
that'’s good he wrote back.
- It'’s a good sign in regards
to figuring out the mystery.
We know he'’s not the guy
in the pictures.
- Okay, so obviously
if you are cool with the idea
of me going and meeting up
with him first...
- Let me and Max
talk about this for a minute
and we can see
if can figure something out.
- Okay.
Bye.
- I don'’t like this.
- I don'’t know.
Look, I don'’t like this,
but if I have to go
meet this guy
and play by his rules,
I will.
Because I'’m willing to do
whatever it takes
to get the answers
that we came here to get.
Let'’s text him.
"Hey, Titus, this is Nev.
"I spoke to Candic and she told
me you wanted to meet me first.
"I'’m fine with that, I can be
available tomorrow morning.
Does that work for you?"
All right.
Now we wait.
- Well,
I think they might write back
right away.
- We'’re already playing
by his rules.
I'’m not gonna sit around and
wait for him to text me back.
- I love it when you tough talk.
- Yeah.
[phone beeps]
Oh.
- Oh! I told you
he would write back.
- Oh, my God,
that was fast.
- What did he say?
- He said, "Okay.
I can meet you after lunch
at Norlo Park."
"Perfect, see you then."
- Great.
- All right.
- Good-bye, Nev.
- Get some sleep.
We got a big day tomorrow.
[dramatic music]
♪
- Okay, right now the plan is
I go meet Titus.
I'’m gonna ask Titus
to come back here with us
and have Candic meet you here
and you guys can be here
waiting.
- Okay.
Good luck.
♪
- [exhales deeply]
All right, well...
here goes nothing.
♪
[doorbell rings]
- Someone'’s here.
both: Hey.
- How you doing?
- Good, how are you?
- You okay?
- I'’m hanging in there.
- Yeah?
- Yes.
- Nervous?
- Yes.
♪
- What are you feeling
right now?
- I don'’t--I'’ve, you know,
thought about who it could be,
and it could be anybody.
Just, like, why
is my biggest question.
- Okay, here is the park.
Kind of looks--
Okay, no.
I can'’t really tell
who that is.
But there is someone
over there.
♪
What'’s up?
- Not too much, man.
How about yourself?
[dramatic music]
♪
- What'’s up?
- Not too much, man.
How about yourself?
- Nev.
- Jamie.
- Jamie?
Candic'’s husband.
- Right.
- [exhales sharply]
Um, wow.
- Yeah.
- Well, I still am not
totally clear.
Are you Titus?
- I am Titus.
- Okay, you--
so the whole time
Candic has been talking
to Titus,
she'’s been talking to you.
- Yes.
- Uh, all right.
- Basically, I could tell
there was something going on
the past few months,
even right before
I even started as Titus.
I felt like maybe it was me
that she didn'’t want any more,
you know.
Maybe that was the issue.
For me, you know, to not be able
to pinpoint her problem,
it really got to me.
Stupidly, I created Titus
just to see if she would go
and talk to someone else
and if it was, you know,
me that she didn'’t want
any more.
- We hear stories like this
all the time
where people in relationships
create fake profiles
to see if they can get
their partner to cheat on them.
You know, there'’s some issues
surrounding that
that, like, I'’m sure you'’ve been
struggling with.
- I was completely wrong
and stupid
that I would even have tried
to set her up in that situation.
A couple of days into it,
I said, you know,
"Send me a provocative
picture," or whatever.
"No. I'’m happily married.
Only my husband gets that."
I was like, "See?
I am an idiot."
I was gonna let it go at that.
- Sure.
Everything would be done.
A couple of days later,
I come home, she was really
upset and crying in the bedroom.
You know, I'’m like,
"What'’s going on, babe?"
- Yeah.
- She hands me her phone.
She'’s like,
"Well, that'’s what'’s wrong."
- What was she showing you?
- It was a picture of her mom.
I left. I still had to take
my daughter to school
and some other stuff.
Boom, I get a message for Titus.
I'’m thinking,
"This is confusing."
You know,
I was planning on completely
just quitting with Titus.
Well then she opens up to Titus.
- Right.
- And she explains why
she'’s upset.
It was about her mom.
She has a petrified feeling
that she'’s gonna die
like her mom did,
but she'’s gonna do it to Addie.
But she'’s never told me,
so I had never known
that that'’s what was
bothering her.
- Right. In a weird way,
even though you picked up on it,
and maybe
your initial instinct was,
"I wonder if she'’s unhappy
with our relationship,"
what you discovered
was that
it'’s not that she'’s looking
for someone else.
- Right.
- She'’s just looking for more
of you.
- Mm-hmm.
- And it'’s kind of [bleep] up...
- Right.
- What you did. I mean--
- Right, I agree.
I know 100%.
- I don'’t know how--
how did you, like,
respond to her?
- We'’re usually always
on our phone.
- Right.
- And we usually have them
on vibrate because otherwise
it would be ding-ding-ding
all day long, so I mean, yeah,
if I'’m sitting there on my phone
and she'’s nearby,
it doesn'’t throw up any flags.
- How did you get
the name Titus?
- There used to be a TV show
when I was a teenager.
I just thought Titus
was a cool name.
- You know, we thought
it was really strange
that you used the name
Spencer.
- That was a mistake I--
just a habit, you know.
He was my best friend
who was killed in Afghanistan.
- Right.
- And then I realized I did it.
- Well, she didn'’t pick up
on it.
- Right.
- So when we showed her that,
she got, like, freaked out
obviously.
I think it means something,
you know, maybe this will all
kinda just start
to unlock things
and you can start
to talk about things.
- Right. It'’s petrifying to--
how to tell her.
- She didn'’t know how
to tell you,
but knew she had to also,
I mean.
- Right. There'’s nothing else
in this world
that has ever mattered to me
as anything like her.
- As you can imagine,
Candic is very eager
to figure out
who she'’s been talking to.
I take it you want to talk
to her about all this.
- Yes, tell her all.
Right.
What'’s next?
- I mean,
it sounds weird to say it,
but I feel like I have to
introduce you to your wife.
- [chuckles]
Yeah.
Well, that'’s more nerve-wracking
than anything I feel,
but all right.
- It'’s crazy, yeah.
All right, let'’s do it.
- Oh, man.
- All right, let me call Max
and just let him know
that we'’re heading back.
[phone trilling]
- Hey, Max.
- I am with Titus
and we are heading back
to the bed and breakfast.
We'’ll be there soon.
Nev convinced Titus
to come over,
so you'’re gonna meet him,
her.
We know it'’s not the person
in the pictures.
- Right, it'’s definitely not.
- ♪ So anxious to see you
♪ I drop everything
♪ You feed on my weakness
♪ But I don'’t complain ♪
- There'’s nothing that I'’m more
afraid of than losing her.
We never lie to each other.
We never hide stuff.
So this is
the first biggest thing
that'’s ever happened for us.
Oh, man.
- ♪ Oh, oh, oh, oh
♪ I'’ve been running
around you ♪
♪ Oh, oh, oh, oh
♪ I'’ll be running away ♪
- It'’s, like, really real
right now.
Like, everything has led up
to this moment right now.
- Hey, Max,
we'’re just parking now.
If you guys want to come
outside, that works.
- All right.
Okay, are you ready to do this?
- Let'’s do it.
- Here we go.
- Hey, Max,
we'’re just parking now.
If you guys want to come
outside, that works.
- All right.
- Can'’t back out now.
- Here we go.
- Here we go.
- Okay.
Are you ready to do this?
- Let'’s do it.
- Here they come.
- Oh, [bleep].
- Wow, it'’s Jamie.
You okay?
- I'’m sorry.
- I don'’t know what to say.
I don'’t.
I just want to know why.
- I just thought I knew
there was something going on.
And I couldn'’t figure out
what was wrong.
I did it to see
if all the issues we were having
was you just didn'’t
want to be with me.
I thought it was me
you didn'’t want.
- You thought that I would start
talking to this guy
as more than a friend?
Why would you think
I would do that?
We'’ve been married
for seven years.
I'’ve never done that to you.
Why would I do that now?
- I don'’t know. I just didn'’t
know what was wrong.
And I could feel
there was something wrong.
- What would you have done
if I did?
If I fed into that?
- I don'’t know.
My thought process was panic.
I'’m losing you.
- I get insecure, you know.
I get worried.
But I don'’t pretend to be
somebody else
and try to trick you.
- I was stupid
in the beginning.
I didn'’t mean to hurt you
or do any of that through it.
I felt like I betrayed you
by even doing that.
The only reason this kept going
was because I felt like
that was what you needed.
You kept telling Titus
everything that was wrong.
Stuff that I didn'’t
even know about.
Like with your mom.
I didn'’t understand
how you felt towards your mom.
And some things
you never told me.
But you told Titus.
The more I kept being Titus,
the more I felt
like I was helping you,
learning how
and what you were looking for.
- It would be nice
if we could have
those kind of conversations
in real life.
- I know,
and that'’s what I realized.
That I was never able
to do that.
And never took the time
to understand
why you felt those ways.
I understand now.
- This is, like, the most
you'’ve ever said to me.
It feels good to know that
that connection was really you.
And in a sense,
it'’s kind of a relief.
Now I don'’t have to tell you
about Titus
because the most nervous thing
I was freaking out about
was telling you.
I'’m a little upset that you
started it the way you did,
but if you could be, like,
supportive like you are
through messages,
I wouldn'’t need to seek out
the closest thing
that I can talk to.
I don'’t want to talk
to Titus.
I want to talk to you.
[upbeat music]
- I'’m sorry.
♪
I love you.
- I love you.
♪
- Is this a relief for you?
Or is it more complicated now?
- It--it is a relief
because the biggest thing
I was concerned with
was that he wouldn'’t
believe me
when I try to tell him I didn'’t
cross the line with Titus.
And I hope you see now
that I wouldn'’t.
- Seems to be that part of why
this kind of worked
was that as Titus, like,
he could read your message.
He could process it.
It'’s one step removed.
It gives you time to breathe
and think and...
both:
Consider what you'’re saying.
- Right.
When you would say something,
you know, at first I didn'’t know
what to say.
But I could sit there
and look and be like, "Okay."
Each piece I could break down
and, you know,
try to give an answer
to each part of it.
- Maybe in a weird way,
you keep the phone number.
And that'’s your, like--
both: Life line.
- There could be some ways
that you guys
can figure out
how to make this work.
- Right.
- This is a really good place
to kind of take things
and--and run with them.
I feel like you should
just go home.
Be at home now together
for the first time in months
without this thing...
- Tension.
- Elephant in the room.
- Between you. Yeah, exactly.
- [sighs]Thanks.
- Yeah, so you guys go,
chill out,
and then tomorrow,
we can check in with you guys.
- All right. Yeah.
- Sounds good.
- All right, guys.
We'’ll talk to you later, okay?
- Okay.
- [exhales deeply]
I'’m sorry, babe.
- Well, I know what
I have to do now
when we have an issue
in our bromance.
- Yeah.
- Just start pretending
like I'’m some girl
on the internet.
- That'’s the best way
to get to my heart.
[laughter]
[upbeat music]
♪
- Here we are.
[doorbell rings]
- Oh.
- Hey, guys.
both: Hey!
- Come on in.
- Hey, what'’s up?
- What'’s going on, bud?
- Would you guys like
to have a seat?
- Yeah.
- Sure.
- We can catch up
a little bit.
- Get the--the down-low.
- What did you talk about
in the car ride home?
- Kinda like explaining,
just for me,
why I did what I did
and, you know,
I kinda had an epiphany more,
like, when we got home about--
my biggest issue
was the death thing.
- The military really
trained you to
not deal with that situation,
so even when you visibly see one
of your friends die in battle,
you have to get over it
really fast,
and you have to move on
and just stay in the mission,
and maybe he'’s brought that
home with him a little bit.
- That'’s the motto?
- Mm-hmm.
Literally what they tell you.
You kinda need to come to a
point where you need to realize
that we'’re not there anymore,
you know.
There'’s no mission for me
to keep my head in.
You know what I mean?
I need to--
she'’s my mission, so...
- Yeah, we discussed
some of the trust issues
that we obviously have
in our relationship.
We actually considered possibly
doing couple'’s therapy for once.
Get some professional help--
insight one some
of our problems.
- That, to me, is a sign of,
like, amazing growth.
And it shows great potential,
I think, for the future.
It'’s unrealistic
to think that
the other person
in the relationship
is going to be able to solve
and understand everything.
- Yeah.
- Like going to see someone
or talking to somebody
that'’s not your husband,
whether it'’s a family member
or a therapist,
or some kind of neutral
third party,
us, for example,
like, it--it helps.
Your partner can'’t be
everything.
- Yeah.
That--I get that.
- It makes a lot of sense.
- So you guys are good?
- Yeah, I feel great today.
- Feels good?
- Feels good.
- I do.
- All right.
- Yeah.
- Well, we'’ll get out
of your hair.
- Okay.
- Let you guys go back
to your happy marriage
and family.
- We appreciate it, guys.
- Yeah, I definitely appreciate
you guys coming out...
- Happy we could help.
- And helping with all this.
- Sure.
- We wish that all stories
could end this happily.
- ♪ I'’m standing
on top of the world ♪
- Where'’s the kid?
Hey, this the little one?
- Yes.
- This is movie star?
- She'’s the prettiest one.
- What'’s up?
Can I get a high five?
- Give a--
- Oh, my God.
All right.
Well, we'’re gonna go.
- Okay.
- All right, guys.
- Say bye.
- Nice.
- Pound it.
- Boom.
- Bye, guys.
- Thanks, guys.
- ♪ Don'’t be so hard
on yourself ♪
- Another happy customer.
- ♪ Everyone trips,
everyone falls ♪
- They'’ve got some work to do,
but I think that her actions
and his actions
cancel each other out
and bring them closer together.
- Right.
You know, that was really great.
- A little "Catfish" can help
a relationship, it seems.
- Right?
[phone trilling]
- Hey!
- Hey-o!
Still together!
- Of course.
- Amazing. What happened after
we finished shooting that day?
- We had a really long
conversation of just all
the things we haven'’t been able
to talk about.
It felt amazing.
- You know, if you could
give advice to other people
who have been in a relationship
and kind of hit a roadblock
like you guys did, what'’s the
advice you'’d give them?
- I would say don'’t give up
Just because you hit a bump
in the road, you know,
just have to continue
to work on things
and communication
is really important.
- Would you recommend catfishing
your spouse
or a significant other?
No.
- Would not--no. Definitely.
- No.
- So things are good?
- Things are awesome.
- Things are going great.
- I'’m picking up good vibes.
Have a great summer.
Congratulations.
We'’re so happy for you guys.
- Thank you.
Thank you, guys.
- Thanks, guys.
- Bye.
- Later. Bye.
- Bye.
- I started YouTube
in sixth grade.
I'’ve had some scary run-ins
with stalkers.
They know the city
where my dad is from.
Stuff that you have to
really be searching for.
- So it'’s scary?
This is another fake account.
- Whoever made those fake
accounts for your family
also made a fake account
for your best friend.
- They really created a world.
- Your world.
- What the hell
is going on here?
963
00:41:05.
- Yes.
But I can'’t lie,
I did kind of think, you know,
the grass might be greener
on the other side.
- Is she cheating
on her husband?
- Oh, my God.
That'’s what it feels like.
Could be this guy.
- Ooh, died August 6, 2011.
That'’s crazy.
- Isn'’t that weird?
He was one
of my really good friends.
- What?
- Yeah.
- Did he have, like,
a crush on you?
- I mean, it'’s possible.
- Possible?
- Oh, man.
- Yo-yo.
Can you walk the dog?
Whoa!
- Come on up. Come back.
- This was the old iPhone.
When you were bored,
you played with this.
- You'’re gonna hurt somebody,
and it'’s gonna be you.
- Ow.
[laughter]
- All right.
We got an email, Nev.
- Uh-oh.
Candic.
- "My mistakes could cost me
my one true love."
- "Dear Nev and Max,
my name is Candic
"and I'’m a 27-year-old living
in McConnellsburg, PA.
"A few months ago,
I met a guy named Titus
through a retail app
I use for work."
- ♪ Take a look at me
♪ I'’m your type of gal ♪
- "At first, he messaged me
"about an item
I had listed for sale,
but soon we started chatting
about other things."
- ♪ I want to be with you
all of the time ♪
♪ You'’ve got a good touch ♪
♪ I want to make it
last longer ♪
- "I'’ve been going through
a difficult time
"in my personal life
and Titus has been there
"to listen, encourage,
and support me emotionally
in a way that'’s been missing
from my life for a while."
- ♪ I want to be with you
all of the time ♪
- "Titus lives in the town over
from me, but we'’ve never met."
- Wah-wah.
- "We'’ve never even talked
over the phone."
- Oh, my God.
- But wait a second,
so what is this all about?
"So this is where my story
becomes complicated.
I'’ve been married
for over seven years."
- Whoa.
- Whoa.
"And I have a beautiful
four-year-old daughter.
"I love my family,
but for the past year,
it'’s been really hard for my
husband and I to communicate."
- ♪ It'’s all because of you ♪
- "Titus and I have
an emotional connection.
"It feels like
I'’m betraying my husband
"and I'’m ready to put a stop
to this relationship
"and to come clean
to everyone.
"But most importantly, I need to
tell my husband the truth
and face the consequences."
- ♪ I do it for you
♪ Do it for you
- "Please help me
make things right."
- Time out. She hasn'’t talked
to him on the phone.
She hasn'’t met him,
she hasn'’t kissed him,
she hasn'’t slept with him.
- Right.
- She'’s done nothing wrong.
- Right.
- She should just drop Titus.
- Right, she could just--right.
- Not write into the show
and live the rest of her life
as if this thing didn'’t happen.
- Well, no, but I think what
she'’s going through right now
is she clearly wasn'’t able
to fix things
with her husband
the way they were going.
- So she wanted someone
to be intimate with.
- She didn'’t even know
she wanted that.
It happened, kind of,
by accident.
- Right. So she feels like
she'’s maybe emotionally cheated
a little bit
on her husband.
She wants to come clean.
- Yeah.
She doesn'’t know how
to get out of this situation
and she needs help
and she feels like
we'’re the right people
to help her.
- All right, well,
let'’s call her.
Let'’s get her
on the horn.
- Okay, here we go.
[Skype trilling]
- Hi.
- Hello.
- Hi.
- Hi, Candic.
- How'’s it going?
- Good.
We just read your email.
- Yeah.
- And you'’re in
a very interesting situation.
- It'’s a little complicated.
- Uh, yeah.
Yeah, it'’s definitely
complicated.
- You'’re married right now.
- Yes.
- And what'’s his name?
- Jamie.
We met in army training
and military.
- And you have
a four-year-old daughter.
- Yes.
My daughter'’s name is Addison.
- Cute name.
- We call her Addie.
- So kind of explain to us
things with your husband
are maybe a little estranged
at the moment.
- Uh, Jamie is a good person.
It'’s the communication
that we have issues with.
He'’s just hard to talk to.
He'’s been overseas
for the military.
And he'’s very shut down
about anything emotional.
You know, my childhood
was pretty rough.
Quite a few
traumatic experiences
that I'’ve been through,
so I need
that emotional outlet,
but trying to communicate
with my husband
is like trying to talk
to a wall.
- Since you guys
have been married,
have you been together
for most of that time, or...
- Yes.
We'’ve never broken up.
There'’s never been any kind
of infidelity on either side.
This is the first thing that
I'’m going to have to confess
that is gonna kill him.
That'’s the biggest part
I'’m nervous about
is trying to tell him
about it.
- Okay, so walk us through
meeting Titus.
- I met him on
a local shopping app.
- What were you trying to sell?
- A purse.
- A purse?
- Yes.
Pretty much my job is buying
and reselling fashion items.
- And a guy was looking
at the purse item for sale.
- Yeah, basically.
- [laughing]
- [laughing]
- Did it sell?
- Since that, yes.
But not to him.
He wasn'’t interested
in buying it at all.
He was just interested
in hitting me up, I guess.
So we'’ve been talking
for a few months.
Small chit-chat led into
telling him
all of my life secrets.
- Wow.
- There was somebody giving me
attention and listening
to what I had to say for once.
It just really felt amazing.
- Have you ever imagined
what it might be like
if you did eventually
meet him?
- I can'’t lie,
I thought about it.
We never sexted or never sent
any dirty pictures
or anything like that.
But I did kind of think,
you know,
the grass might be greener
on the other side.
- You know that doing this
is going to create a situation
in which you have to confess
something to your husband.
I guess my big question is
why make a mountain
out of this molehill?
- Well, Titus is giving me
the emotional support I need.
But he knows more about me
than I know about him.
I want to know who I'’ve told
all of my secrets to.
- I mean, look, if giving you
the opportunity to meet Titus
so that you can not wonder
who was this person
is the best thing for you
and your family,
then, like,
that'’s what we need to do.
- Thank you.
- Let us, uh, pack our things
and head out to you.
We'’ll figure this out.
- Okay, great.
- All right, bye, Candic.
- Bye.
- Thank you.
- This is interesting
and different.
- I feel for her.
I mean, but if she really wants
to get back together
with her husband
and make things right again,
then why did she call us?
- I'’ll tell you why.
- Why?
- Because mystery
is the greatest aphrodisiac.
She'’s been dreaming of this guy
who'’s so perfect
and, like, emotionally there
for her.
And I think for her own
satisfaction and closure and,
sort of, ability to move on
from Titus
and hopefully fix things
with her husband,
she needs to, like, meet him
so she can be, like,
"Okay, you'’re actually not
the person
"that I had dreamed you were
that'’s gonna, like,
fix everything." Right.
- "Now I can get back together
with my husband
and everything will be great."
- Right, totally.
All right,
let'’s get this train rolling.
This way to Pennsylvania.
- Thank you.
- One ticket to "Catfish,"
please.
- ♪ Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah
♪ I'’m trippin'’ on your love ♪
- That'’s us.
- ♪ Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah
♪ Trippin'’ on your love ♪
- Staying in this adorable
bed and breakfast.
Look at those pillows
with the doilies.
A candle walking through here.
Lots of Chinese checkers.
All that'’s left to do now
is sign the guest book.
- ♪ Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah
♪ Trippin'’ on your love ♪
- Candic just texted me.
She says,
"Hey, guys, it'’s Candic.
Is there a possibility
"to meet somewhere
other than my house?
My husband is home.
Let me know. Thanks."
- Are we now--
- Is she cheating on her husband
with us?
- Oh, my God.
That'’s what it feels like.
- We'’re an accessory.
- We'’re accessories.
- Hey, Candic, no problem.
Why don'’t you meet us at
our adorable bed and breakfast?
- Boom.
Way to go.
All right, get me
when something happens.
- All right.
[doorbell rings]
- Oh, someone here?
- Yeah.
Come on, Max.
all: Hey.
- All right, what'’s up?
How are you?
- Good, how are you?
- Great.
- Hi.
- Hi.
- Nice to meet you.
- You too.
- Let'’s chat.
Come on,
have a seat over here.
All right, so, you mentioned
very briefly on the Skype call
that you had kind of crazy
experiences growing up
that were traumatic.
- Yes.
- So why don'’t
we just start there?
- Everything started
when I was really, really young.
My dad was a hemophiliac.
He needed a transfusion
and he was infected with HIV.
But by the time he knew,
my mom was too.
And then my mom deteriorated
really fast.
She died when I was six.
My dad felt a lot of guilt
from that.
He turned into
a raging alcoholic.
We were basically
put into foster care.
When I was old enough to,
I started turning to drinking.
And then I was feeling
pretty bad about myself
when I decided to join
the military.
I just wanted to do something
with my life.
I didn'’t want to drink
everything away
and let my whole future
go down the drain.
And it was the best decision
I ever made.
I met Jamie. Jamie pulled me
out of alcoholism.
- How'’d you get to where
you guys are now
where you feel like there'’s this
sort of distance between you?
- I'’m older now.
I have a kid.
Like, my priorities
are totally different,
and doing a lot
of self-reflection.
And things that I have put off
feeling for so long
are coming out.
I miss my mom.
My whole life,
anybody that asks me,
I'’m like, "It'’s fine.
I'’m used to it.
She'’s been gone
for a long time.
But now, it'’s like she didn'’t
get to see my daughter
come into the world.
She doesn'’t get to give me
advice now.
And I actually care.
It affects me.
- Why is that creating an issue
between you and Jamie?
- Basically,
I can'’t talk to Jamie.
I'’ve tried.
He has a lot of issues
stemming from fighting
overseas.
So, when I try to say something
to Jamie about it,
it goes nowhere.
And you kind of think, like,
"Can I live like this forever?
Can he change?
Can he open up like that?"
- So you have a need
that'’s not being met.
- Exactly.
- So one day,
you'’re on the internet
and what happens?
- I get a message from Titus.
He'’s just giving me
a compliment
on my profile picture.
And from there we started
small talking.
And it felt really easy
to talk to him.
It felt like the outlet
that I'’ve been longing for
just appeared in my phone.
And it progressed into
really emotional conversations
all about me
and it felt good.
- You did say that you guys
have tried to meet up, right?
- Yes. I was trying
to get him to meet me.
I just wanted to tell him
thank you and clear the air
so that I could tell my husband,
but he refused.
He didn'’t want to meet me.
And it'’s hard to tell
my husband
when I don'’t even know
who I'’m telling him about.
- We haven'’t done...
- Right.
- Any research yet,
but we found
that when someone lives
close to you...
- Right.
- And won'’t either meet you
or get on the phone with you,
it'’s generally because
their voice
will give them away.
Either they'’re someone
you know already
or they'’re someone
of the opposite sex.
- If he'’s not
who he says he is,
I would like to know
who I'’m talking to.
Who I'’ve told everything
about myself to.
I want to know who that is.
- Okay, let'’s see this guy.
- Okay.
Here'’s the picture I got.
- So this is the most recent
picture he sent you?
- Yes.
- I can see that
your conversation
is mostly very, like...
- General.
- Pleasant, day-to-day,
general stuff.
And he said,
"All good, beautiful."
- So he calls you beautiful.
- Yeah.
- That'’s...flirty.
Well, so, I guess the first
thing we need to do
is figure out who Titus is.
Then, you know, once we have
that information,
we can actually start to,like,
put the rest of the pieces
of this puzzle together.
- Okay.
- All right.
- Bye.
- Bye, see you tomorrow.
- Thank you.
- I mean, I definitely
understand now a lot better
why she'’s in the position
she'’s in.
- This is a cry for help
from her.
- For her and him, for him.
- And for Jamie.
She'’s crying out
for both of them.
- Yeah.
- She needs to talk to someone.
She needs to connect.
- Yeah.
- I still think that she doesn'’t
just want to meet Titus
just to say thank you
to the good Samaritan.
I mean, she'’s curious.
- Right. Very, yeah.
- I thought we were going
to a cafe.
- I think it'’s a cafe, brewery,
chocolate factory all in one.
- I mean, is that not the best
kind of factory there is?
Let'’s do it.
- Let'’s do it.
Hello.
- Homemade marshmallows?
Oh, my God.
- Sorry, marshmallow,
I have to do this.
Stop, you'’re drowning me!
I'’m melting!
- [laughing]
A sugar high.
- Whoo!
- Watch out.
[laughing]
All right,
we got some work to do.
Candic has been married
for seven years,
but because her husband
was overseas and fought,
he'’s very closed off
and doesn'’t like
to talk about how he feels.
- She'’s starting to think
more about things
that happened in the past.
- Right. Her mom passed away.
- And she has no way to express
her feelings or her pain.
She needs kind of an outlet
to talk about them
and Jamie has never been
that person.
- She starts talking to
this guy, Titus,
she met on
a local shopping app.
She really opened up
and developed, like,
an emotional connection
with this guy.
Now she doesn'’t know
what to do.
She wants to tell her husband
the truth
for her own closure and ability
to move on from Titus.
I think the possibility
is very strong
that Titus might actually
be a woman.
- It'’s either a woman
or it'’s someone
whose voice she would recognize.
- Right.
- We definitely have
our work cut out for us.
- Yeah.
Here we go.
"Hey, Nev and Max, so here'’s the
information I have on Titus."
She'’s got his profile
from the retail app.
- Right.
- She'’s got his phone number.
"The one picture that he sent me
is attached.
He says he has no other
social media."
- Let'’s search for
the phone number first.
- All right, searching
the phone number, here we go.
- Hey, yo.
- Okay, cool, check this out.
Carrier, it'’s a VOIP.
Oh, from Pinger.
That'’s an app.
- So someone is using
a text app to talk to Candic.
So that'’s weird.
- Well, maybe she would
have recognized
the real phone number.
- Creepy.
- Very.
The fastest way to probably kind
of get to the bottom of this
would be to do
a reverse image search.
All right, well, let'’s search
this one picture
we have of him, then.
All right,
here goes nothing.
- Oh, you got one!
- What is this?
- Stevennum.blog.
- Let'’s just look up...
both: Stevennum.
- Steven Vennum on Instagram.
- Whoa.
both: There he is.
- We found the mask.
- Where is he located? Are any
of these pictures tagged?
- Hold on, I'’m looking.
We'’re looking.
- With a location tag?
You can see it on your phone.
- Yeah, let'’s look on my phone.
- All right,
where are these pictures?
- Let'’s see if he'’s on any maps.
- Oh, here'’s--oh!
- Looks like he'’s close to--
- Sacramento.
- Look him up on Facebook.
- There he is.
Mechanical contractor.
Sacramento.
- Could this be the guy?
- Titus says he doesn'’t have
any other social media.
- Right.
- So clearly Titus is using
this guy'’s pictures.
- Okay.
So we found the mask, but we
have no idea who Titus is.
- Right. Oh, wait,
let'’s check out this retail app.
All right, Titus D.
- Oh, wow.
- Okay, so there is
a photo of him.
Check this out, his public
profile link is Spencer D.
- Wow.
- Maybe his name
is Spencer Duncan.
- That'’s a good call.
- Because Titus is a kind of
strange name.
- Spencer D.
- And why would his URL
be Spencer D.
and not Titus D.?
So let'’s look up Spencer Duncan.
- So search for Spencer Duncan
Chambersburg.
Oh. Army--
- A specialist?
- Spencer C. Duncan.
- Ah, ooh, died August 6, 2011.
That'’s crazy.
- Isn'’t that weird?
And he'’s buried in Chambersburg.
- Oh, man.
Wait a second.
If Spencer Duncan was a soldier
from Pennsylvania,
I feel like there'’s
a really good chance
she knows this person.
- I think if we say
Spencer D. to her...
- Yeah.
- That should illuminate
something hopefully.
- That could--yeah.
- All right, well, let'’s go over
and tell her.
- The crazy thing
is really going to be
what happens
when we tell Candic
that it looks like the guy
she'’s talking to
whose name is really
Spencer D.
Is that going to ring
some bell?
Did she know the guy that died
named Spencer Duncan?
- I would venture to guess
that they'’re not getting
on the phone with her
because she knows--
- Right.
- She'’d recognize their voice
and would know who they were.
[doorbell rings]
- Hi, welcome back.
- Hey, thank you.
- So, we found some stuff.
And we want to talk about it
with you because we'’re hoping
that you can kind of
make some sense
out of what we found.
- Okay.
- All right, so, first,
we searched the phone number.
And it told us that it'’s a,
like,
a voice internet phone number,
like, a text app.
- So it'’s not even
his phone number.
- It'’s a made up
phone number.
- If he used his real number
to talk to you,
and it was registered
to his real name,
it probably would have
come back.
so it'’s a little weird.
- Yeah.
Okay.
- So then we just did
an image search for the picture
of Titus that he sent you.
And it came back with one hit.
- Okay.
- When you go to the account,
you can see the URL
is stevennum.
- Okay, so could that be
a name?
- It'’s something that'’s worth
searching.
- Right. Well, so that'’s what
we did, we searched it.
And, boom,
that'’s the photo
that'’s in his shopping app
profile.
- So this guy'’s name is Steven.
- Yeah.
- And there you can see
in the info...
- Sacramento.
So the guy in the pictures,
his name'’s Steven,
and he lives in California.
- Okay.
- It seems like the person
you'’re talking to
is using this guy'’s pictures.
- Okay, so, how do we
find out who that is?
- Now that was what
we were wondering
and what we were hoping
to do next.
- Okay.
- You know, when you go to
your retail page, your name
is obviously Candic P.
- Mm-hmm.
- Well, on his page
look what it says.
- Spencer...
both: D.
- There'’s--I know somebody
named Spencer Duncan.
He was somebody that
I trained with in military,
but he died in Afghanistan.
- Well, that'’s what we
were going to ask you
because we searched
Spencer Duncan,
and we found a bunch of stuff
about a deceased serviceman.
- Yeah, he was one
of my really good friends.
- Really?
- Yes.
- It'’s really weird
that Titus'’s profile
would be Spencer D.
- It says Spencer D.
- And he says his last name
is Duncan.
- Yeah, Titus Duncan.
So...
- Who else knows that you were
friends with Spencer?
- All of our, like,
training buddies.
- And how many of those
training buddies are here?
- In Pennsylvania?
- In Pennsylvania.
- Like, one.
- Who?
- His name was Slinger.
He lives in Philadelphia,
so it'’s not, like, super far,
but it'’s not real close either.
But maybe that would be why
he couldn'’t just meet.
- Did he have, like,
a crush on you?
- I don'’t think so.
- Would he know that you use
that shopping app?
- I mean, it'’s possible.
- Possible.
- I thought it was possible.
- Who else knows that you use
this retail app?
- My sister.
- Does she know about Spencer?
- She knows about him.
She never met him,
but she knows about him.
- Do you and your sister
get along?
- For the most part.
Like, we had a fight today.
- Does your sister know
about Titus?
Have you told her...
- Mm-hmm.
- That you'’re talking to him?
- Mm-hmm.
- And what does she say?
- Nothing.
- I just told her about it.
She doesn'’t really know
the extent of everything.
- It could be your sister.
- Yeah.
- It could be this Slinger.
We know that there is
a connection,
but we don'’t know
what it is.
It'’s someone who knows that you
and Spencer knew each other.
- I don'’t even know
how to feel right now.
I don'’t know what to say.
It'’s too weird to me
that it--I don'’t know.
- ♪ Wake up
♪ This is more
than just a daydream ♪
♪ Feel it
in your brightest dream ♪
- How am I supposed to feel?
- ♪ Let it go
- We don'’t want to make you
suspicious of anybody.
But the truth is we don'’t know
who you'’re talking to.
They found you
in a very specific way.
And some strange coincidencessuggest
that they might be someone
from your past.
And that'’s really all we know.
- Yeah, the only thing left
to do
is just reach out
and call the number.
And you have the number.
- Right.
So, do you want me
to call?
- I mean,
normally I would call,
but I just think because
of the sensitivity
of the situation here,
I think it has to come
from you.
- That'’s fine. I'’m willing.
- It'’s your--yeah.
- I'’ll call.
- See what happens.
Have you ever tried calling him?
- No.
[phone trilling]
I don'’t know
what'’s gonna happen.
- You have reached
your friend'’s voicemail.
Leave your message
after the tone.
[phone beeps]
- Hey, Titus, it'’s Candic.
Um, I have Nev and Max
from the show "Catfish" here
to help me and you connect,
so it would be really great
if you could call us back.
Thank you.
So, how was that?
- Good.
- Okay.
- Now at least he knows
you'’re serious about meeting.
We'’re here. Hopefully whoever
it is will respond.
Fingers crossed.
- Okay.
- And then we'’ll decide
what we want to do next.
[phone ringing]
- Hey, Candic.
- Okay.
- Progress. It'’s progress.
- Yeah, well, I guess
that'’s good he wrote back.
- It'’s a good sign in regards
to figuring out the mystery.
We know he'’s not the guy
in the pictures.
- Okay, so obviously
if you are cool with the idea
of me going and meeting up
with him first...
- Let me and Max
talk about this for a minute
and we can see
if can figure something out.
- Okay.
Bye.
- I don'’t like this.
- I don'’t know.
Look, I don'’t like this,
but if I have to go
meet this guy
and play by his rules,
I will.
Because I'’m willing to do
whatever it takes
to get the answers
that we came here to get.
Let'’s text him.
"Hey, Titus, this is Nev.
"I spoke to Candic and she told
me you wanted to meet me first.
"I'’m fine with that, I can be
available tomorrow morning.
Does that work for you?"
All right.
Now we wait.
- Well,
I think they might write back
right away.
- We'’re already playing
by his rules.
I'’m not gonna sit around and
wait for him to text me back.
- I love it when you tough talk.
- Yeah.
[phone beeps]
Oh.
- Oh! I told you
he would write back.
- Oh, my God,
that was fast.
- What did he say?
- He said, "Okay.
I can meet you after lunch
at Norlo Park."
"Perfect, see you then."
- Great.
- All right.
- Good-bye, Nev.
- Get some sleep.
We got a big day tomorrow.
[dramatic music]
♪
- Okay, right now the plan is
I go meet Titus.
I'’m gonna ask Titus
to come back here with us
and have Candic meet you here
and you guys can be here
waiting.
- Okay.
Good luck.
♪
- [exhales deeply]
All right, well...
here goes nothing.
♪
[doorbell rings]
- Someone'’s here.
both: Hey.
- How you doing?
- Good, how are you?
- You okay?
- I'’m hanging in there.
- Yeah?
- Yes.
- Nervous?
- Yes.
♪
- What are you feeling
right now?
- I don'’t--I'’ve, you know,
thought about who it could be,
and it could be anybody.
Just, like, why
is my biggest question.
- Okay, here is the park.
Kind of looks--
Okay, no.
I can'’t really tell
who that is.
But there is someone
over there.
♪
What'’s up?
- Not too much, man.
How about yourself?
[dramatic music]
♪
- What'’s up?
- Not too much, man.
How about yourself?
- Nev.
- Jamie.
- Jamie?
Candic'’s husband.
- Right.
- [exhales sharply]
Um, wow.
- Yeah.
- Well, I still am not
totally clear.
Are you Titus?
- I am Titus.
- Okay, you--
so the whole time
Candic has been talking
to Titus,
she'’s been talking to you.
- Yes.
- Uh, all right.
- Basically, I could tell
there was something going on
the past few months,
even right before
I even started as Titus.
I felt like maybe it was me
that she didn'’t want any more,
you know.
Maybe that was the issue.
For me, you know, to not be able
to pinpoint her problem,
it really got to me.
Stupidly, I created Titus
just to see if she would go
and talk to someone else
and if it was, you know,
me that she didn'’t want
any more.
- We hear stories like this
all the time
where people in relationships
create fake profiles
to see if they can get
their partner to cheat on them.
You know, there'’s some issues
surrounding that
that, like, I'’m sure you'’ve been
struggling with.
- I was completely wrong
and stupid
that I would even have tried
to set her up in that situation.
A couple of days into it,
I said, you know,
"Send me a provocative
picture," or whatever.
"No. I'’m happily married.
Only my husband gets that."
I was like, "See?
I am an idiot."
I was gonna let it go at that.
- Sure.
Everything would be done.
A couple of days later,
I come home, she was really
upset and crying in the bedroom.
You know, I'’m like,
"What'’s going on, babe?"
- Yeah.
- She hands me her phone.
She'’s like,
"Well, that'’s what'’s wrong."
- What was she showing you?
- It was a picture of her mom.
I left. I still had to take
my daughter to school
and some other stuff.
Boom, I get a message for Titus.
I'’m thinking,
"This is confusing."
You know,
I was planning on completely
just quitting with Titus.
Well then she opens up to Titus.
- Right.
- And she explains why
she'’s upset.
It was about her mom.
She has a petrified feeling
that she'’s gonna die
like her mom did,
but she'’s gonna do it to Addie.
But she'’s never told me,
so I had never known
that that'’s what was
bothering her.
- Right. In a weird way,
even though you picked up on it,
and maybe
your initial instinct was,
"I wonder if she'’s unhappy
with our relationship,"
what you discovered
was that
it'’s not that she'’s looking
for someone else.
- Right.
- She'’s just looking for more
of you.
- Mm-hmm.
- And it'’s kind of [bleep] up...
- Right.
- What you did. I mean--
- Right, I agree.
I know 100%.
- I don'’t know how--
how did you, like,
respond to her?
- We'’re usually always
on our phone.
- Right.
- And we usually have them
on vibrate because otherwise
it would be ding-ding-ding
all day long, so I mean, yeah,
if I'’m sitting there on my phone
and she'’s nearby,
it doesn'’t throw up any flags.
- How did you get
the name Titus?
- There used to be a TV show
when I was a teenager.
I just thought Titus
was a cool name.
- You know, we thought
it was really strange
that you used the name
Spencer.
- That was a mistake I--
just a habit, you know.
He was my best friend
who was killed in Afghanistan.
- Right.
- And then I realized I did it.
- Well, she didn'’t pick up
on it.
- Right.
- So when we showed her that,
she got, like, freaked out
obviously.
I think it means something,
you know, maybe this will all
kinda just start
to unlock things
and you can start
to talk about things.
- Right. It'’s petrifying to--
how to tell her.
- She didn'’t know how
to tell you,
but knew she had to also,
I mean.
- Right. There'’s nothing else
in this world
that has ever mattered to me
as anything like her.
- As you can imagine,
Candic is very eager
to figure out
who she'’s been talking to.
I take it you want to talk
to her about all this.
- Yes, tell her all.
Right.
What'’s next?
- I mean,
it sounds weird to say it,
but I feel like I have to
introduce you to your wife.
- [chuckles]
Yeah.
Well, that'’s more nerve-wracking
than anything I feel,
but all right.
- It'’s crazy, yeah.
All right, let'’s do it.
- Oh, man.
- All right, let me call Max
and just let him know
that we'’re heading back.
[phone trilling]
- Hey, Max.
- I am with Titus
and we are heading back
to the bed and breakfast.
We'’ll be there soon.
Nev convinced Titus
to come over,
so you'’re gonna meet him,
her.
We know it'’s not the person
in the pictures.
- Right, it'’s definitely not.
- ♪ So anxious to see you
♪ I drop everything
♪ You feed on my weakness
♪ But I don'’t complain ♪
- There'’s nothing that I'’m more
afraid of than losing her.
We never lie to each other.
We never hide stuff.
So this is
the first biggest thing
that'’s ever happened for us.
Oh, man.
- ♪ Oh, oh, oh, oh
♪ I'’ve been running
around you ♪
♪ Oh, oh, oh, oh
♪ I'’ll be running away ♪
- It'’s, like, really real
right now.
Like, everything has led up
to this moment right now.
- Hey, Max,
we'’re just parking now.
If you guys want to come
outside, that works.
- All right.
Okay, are you ready to do this?
- Let'’s do it.
- Here we go.
- Hey, Max,
we'’re just parking now.
If you guys want to come
outside, that works.
- All right.
- Can'’t back out now.
- Here we go.
- Here we go.
- Okay.
Are you ready to do this?
- Let'’s do it.
- Here they come.
- Oh, [bleep].
- Wow, it'’s Jamie.
You okay?
- I'’m sorry.
- I don'’t know what to say.
I don'’t.
I just want to know why.
- I just thought I knew
there was something going on.
And I couldn'’t figure out
what was wrong.
I did it to see
if all the issues we were having
was you just didn'’t
want to be with me.
I thought it was me
you didn'’t want.
- You thought that I would start
talking to this guy
as more than a friend?
Why would you think
I would do that?
We'’ve been married
for seven years.
I'’ve never done that to you.
Why would I do that now?
- I don'’t know. I just didn'’t
know what was wrong.
And I could feel
there was something wrong.
- What would you have done
if I did?
If I fed into that?
- I don'’t know.
My thought process was panic.
I'’m losing you.
- I get insecure, you know.
I get worried.
But I don'’t pretend to be
somebody else
and try to trick you.
- I was stupid
in the beginning.
I didn'’t mean to hurt you
or do any of that through it.
I felt like I betrayed you
by even doing that.
The only reason this kept going
was because I felt like
that was what you needed.
You kept telling Titus
everything that was wrong.
Stuff that I didn'’t
even know about.
Like with your mom.
I didn'’t understand
how you felt towards your mom.
And some things
you never told me.
But you told Titus.
The more I kept being Titus,
the more I felt
like I was helping you,
learning how
and what you were looking for.
- It would be nice
if we could have
those kind of conversations
in real life.
- I know,
and that'’s what I realized.
That I was never able
to do that.
And never took the time
to understand
why you felt those ways.
I understand now.
- This is, like, the most
you'’ve ever said to me.
It feels good to know that
that connection was really you.
And in a sense,
it'’s kind of a relief.
Now I don'’t have to tell you
about Titus
because the most nervous thing
I was freaking out about
was telling you.
I'’m a little upset that you
started it the way you did,
but if you could be, like,
supportive like you are
through messages,
I wouldn'’t need to seek out
the closest thing
that I can talk to.
I don'’t want to talk
to Titus.
I want to talk to you.
[upbeat music]
- I'’m sorry.
♪
I love you.
- I love you.
♪
- Is this a relief for you?
Or is it more complicated now?
- It--it is a relief
because the biggest thing
I was concerned with
was that he wouldn'’t
believe me
when I try to tell him I didn'’t
cross the line with Titus.
And I hope you see now
that I wouldn'’t.
- Seems to be that part of why
this kind of worked
was that as Titus, like,
he could read your message.
He could process it.
It'’s one step removed.
It gives you time to breathe
and think and...
both:
Consider what you'’re saying.
- Right.
When you would say something,
you know, at first I didn'’t know
what to say.
But I could sit there
and look and be like, "Okay."
Each piece I could break down
and, you know,
try to give an answer
to each part of it.
- Maybe in a weird way,
you keep the phone number.
And that'’s your, like--
both: Life line.
- There could be some ways
that you guys
can figure out
how to make this work.
- Right.
- This is a really good place
to kind of take things
and--and run with them.
I feel like you should
just go home.
Be at home now together
for the first time in months
without this thing...
- Tension.
- Elephant in the room.
- Between you. Yeah, exactly.
- [sighs]Thanks.
- Yeah, so you guys go,
chill out,
and then tomorrow,
we can check in with you guys.
- All right. Yeah.
- Sounds good.
- All right, guys.
We'’ll talk to you later, okay?
- Okay.
- [exhales deeply]
I'’m sorry, babe.
- Well, I know what
I have to do now
when we have an issue
in our bromance.
- Yeah.
- Just start pretending
like I'’m some girl
on the internet.
- That'’s the best way
to get to my heart.
[laughter]
[upbeat music]
♪
- Here we are.
[doorbell rings]
- Oh.
- Hey, guys.
both: Hey!
- Come on in.
- Hey, what'’s up?
- What'’s going on, bud?
- Would you guys like
to have a seat?
- Yeah.
- Sure.
- We can catch up
a little bit.
- Get the--the down-low.
- What did you talk about
in the car ride home?
- Kinda like explaining,
just for me,
why I did what I did
and, you know,
I kinda had an epiphany more,
like, when we got home about--
my biggest issue
was the death thing.
- The military really
trained you to
not deal with that situation,
so even when you visibly see one
of your friends die in battle,
you have to get over it
really fast,
and you have to move on
and just stay in the mission,
and maybe he'’s brought that
home with him a little bit.
- That'’s the motto?
- Mm-hmm.
Literally what they tell you.
You kinda need to come to a
point where you need to realize
that we'’re not there anymore,
you know.
There'’s no mission for me
to keep my head in.
You know what I mean?
I need to--
she'’s my mission, so...
- Yeah, we discussed
some of the trust issues
that we obviously have
in our relationship.
We actually considered possibly
doing couple'’s therapy for once.
Get some professional help--
insight one some
of our problems.
- That, to me, is a sign of,
like, amazing growth.
And it shows great potential,
I think, for the future.
It'’s unrealistic
to think that
the other person
in the relationship
is going to be able to solve
and understand everything.
- Yeah.
- Like going to see someone
or talking to somebody
that'’s not your husband,
whether it'’s a family member
or a therapist,
or some kind of neutral
third party,
us, for example,
like, it--it helps.
Your partner can'’t be
everything.
- Yeah.
That--I get that.
- It makes a lot of sense.
- So you guys are good?
- Yeah, I feel great today.
- Feels good?
- Feels good.
- I do.
- All right.
- Yeah.
- Well, we'’ll get out
of your hair.
- Okay.
- Let you guys go back
to your happy marriage
and family.
- We appreciate it, guys.
- Yeah, I definitely appreciate
you guys coming out...
- Happy we could help.
- And helping with all this.
- Sure.
- We wish that all stories
could end this happily.
- ♪ I'’m standing
on top of the world ♪
- Where'’s the kid?
Hey, this the little one?
- Yes.
- This is movie star?
- She'’s the prettiest one.
- What'’s up?
Can I get a high five?
- Give a--
- Oh, my God.
All right.
Well, we'’re gonna go.
- Okay.
- All right, guys.
- Say bye.
- Nice.
- Pound it.
- Boom.
- Bye, guys.
- Thanks, guys.
- ♪ Don'’t be so hard
on yourself ♪
- Another happy customer.
- ♪ Everyone trips,
everyone falls ♪
- They'’ve got some work to do,
but I think that her actions
and his actions
cancel each other out
and bring them closer together.
- Right.
You know, that was really great.
- A little "Catfish" can help
a relationship, it seems.
- Right?
[phone trilling]
- Hey!
- Hey-o!
Still together!
- Of course.
- Amazing. What happened after
we finished shooting that day?
- We had a really long
conversation of just all
the things we haven'’t been able
to talk about.
It felt amazing.
- You know, if you could
give advice to other people
who have been in a relationship
and kind of hit a roadblock
like you guys did, what'’s the
advice you'’d give them?
- I would say don'’t give up
Just because you hit a bump
in the road, you know,
just have to continue
to work on things
and communication
is really important.
- Would you recommend catfishing
your spouse
or a significant other?
No.
- Would not--no. Definitely.
- No.
- So things are good?
- Things are awesome.
- Things are going great.
- I'’m picking up good vibes.
Have a great summer.
Congratulations.
We'’re so happy for you guys.
- Thank you.
Thank you, guys.
- Thanks, guys.
- Bye.
- Later. Bye.
- Bye.
- I started YouTube
in sixth grade.
I'’ve had some scary run-ins
with stalkers.
They know the city
where my dad is from.
Stuff that you have to
really be searching for.
- So it'’s scary?
This is another fake account.
- Whoever made those fake
accounts for your family
also made a fake account
for your best friend.
- They really created a world.
- Your world.
- What the hell
is going on here?
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