Catfish: The TV Show (2012–…): Season 5, Episode 15 - Spencer & Katy - full transcript
Spencer reveals that he has been having a relationship with a pop star, and the Catfish team sets out to find the truth.
- I think this is gonna be
your best episode ever.
- Whoa. Why'’s that?
- Yeah.
- I'’ve made a ring for her.
- What?
- We could definitely go
to England and reach out to her.
- Let'’s go meet her.
- "Catfish" has made it
to the UK.
- Hello? Okay.
Tell her I'’ll be down shortly.
- What?
- Whoa.
[dramatic music]
- She'’s here.
- [bleep]
- This is my color.
- That is your color.
It'’s crazy that we took so long
to get you silver Max Cam.
- Everything looks better on it.
It actually
turns everyone'’s hair grey.
That worked!
[laughs]
- All right, ooh,
we got something.
- All right.
- "Dear Catfish,
my name is Spencer,
"and I am a typical guy living
in Knoxville, Tennessee.
"I met Katy on a texting app.
"We chatted as much
as humanly possible
over the last six years."
- ♪ Remember when you threw me
the hard stuff high inside ♪
- "Katy lives all the way
out in California."
- Yes!
We could be going to Cali.
- "Not that long ago,
Katy finally got to the point--
to go fully all in with me."
- ♪ No-oh-oh-oh divide
- "I was really excited
that our love was finally
"going to cross over
into a real relationship,
"but she killed
that idea completely
"only a few weeks afterwards
without explaining why.
"Katy claims she sent an email
"explaining what was going on
with her.
"Problem is that I never
received that message.
"It'’s been lost
in the cyberspace black hole,
"but she never resent it
so I could read it.
"I am not sure what she wanted
to say to me.
"Any help would be greatly
appreciated.
Thank you.
Spencer."
I mean, it'’s a little unclear
what'’s going on here.
- There are a lot of gaps--
- Let'’s just call this guy.
[line trilling]
- Hey!
- Hey!
- What'’s up, guys?
- Hey, Spencer. How you doin'’?
- Oh, man, I'’m excited
to see you guys.
Thank you
for, uh, talking to me.
- You obviously have high hopes
for this episode.
- Yeah, I think this is gonna
be your best episode ever.
- Whoa. Why'’s that?
- Yeah.
- All right, well,
Katy is Katy Perry.
So...there you go.
[both laughing]
What?
- Yeah, go ahead
and laugh about it.
You'’ll meet her.
- That'’s the Katy that you were
talking about in your email?
- That'’s right.
- That'’s a wild...
claim to be making.
- Wait, time out.
Is she not, like,
with someone else now?
- I think she is
dating somebody, yes.
- Who?
- I think it'’s the elf
from "The Lord of the Rings."
- Orlando Bloom?
- That'’s right.
- And what, if anything,
gives you the impression
that you are actually talking
to Katy Perry?
- '’Cause I'’ve been talking
to her for six years.
Just the millions and millions
of details.
Little stories, like,
when she was growing up
that only Katy would know.
- Okay...
- But you--but you--
you understand how, like...
it'’s one of
the most ridiculous things
we'’ve probably ever heard.
- Yeah, I haven'’t told anybody,
obviously.
But we met
on this goofy little app.
You could interact
with other people on it.
She was on there, I was
on there at the same time.
Her name on there
was Katy Perry.
I messaged her, "Hi!
Are you the singer?"
- Must be her!
- It was immediate connection.
A million "I love you'’s"
back and forth.
It was pretty cool.
Katy got to the point of really
wanting to go all in with me,
and have me completely attached
to her, I guess.
But then she quickly killed
that idea,
probably about two weeks
after that.
She deleted
the Yahoo messenger.
Didn'’t tell me why.
Later in an email, she said
that she had sent a message
explaining everything,
but I never got the message,
and she never resent it,
so I would like to, you know,
be face to face
and see if
there'’s a future here.
- All right, Spencer,
level with us for a second.
On a scale of 1 to 10,
10 being, "I fully believe
I'’m in a virtual relationship
with Katy Perry,"
and 1 being "This could be true,
but probably isn'’t,
but I thought it would be
a good episode of '’Catfish,'’"
where do you fall on that scale?
- Like, 1,000.
- Have you spoken to her
on the phone?
- I have. One time.
- One time?
- And it was $270 because
she had a phone from Canada.
- Why does Katy Perry
have a phone from Canada?
- She was on tour in Canada
at the time.
It made total sense.
- Spencer, nothing
would make me happier
than bringing you
to meet Katy Perry,
but, I mean,
it'’s a real stretch.
- Would you like to find out
with me?
- I mean, yeah. Sure.
- Let'’s find out.
- So long as you understand
that, like,
I'’m usually the one who tries
to remain hopeful
and think that
there'’s maybe a chance.
I'’m going to abandon that role
on this episode.
- Man, this is gonna make it
even more sweet when it'’s her.
- Okay! Great.
- [indistinct] making my dream
come true.
- We'’ll be there.
- Okay, thanks, guys.
- What is there?
What can you say?
I think we have to just kinda
go in and just say, like,
"All right, man,
take us on this ride.
Like, whatever weird thing
you'’ve got going on, we'’re in."
- All right.
Thank you.
Knoxville, here we come.
Sorry, you'’re in my seat
- ♪ You make me feel so good
♪
- Whoo!
- ♪ Ooh, ooh, ooh
- Here we are,
downtown Knoxville.
- It is beautiful here.
- I don'’t know,
what do you think?
Do you see Katy Perry
moving to Knoxville?
- I mean, he'’s clearly not
talking to Katy Perry.
- At least
we'’ll get some insight
as to who this Katy really is
and the kind of scam
she'’s working.
- All right, dude.
- ♪ It make her feel so
♪
- Lot of different ways
to knock in Knoxville.
- All right! There he is!
- How we doin'’?
- All right, Spencer,
in the flesh.
Come in, guys.
Look at this place.
Charming.
All right, this looks
like a nice place.
I got a lot of questions.
I don'’t even know
where to start.
- What is it about her
that you like so much?
- Oh, she'’s awesome.
Katy'’s funnier than I am,
she'’s smarter than I am.
I don'’t know how many people
give her credit for that,
but she'’s very intelligent.
Katy'’s full of life.
She'’s--huge heart.
- Have you guys said
that you love each other?
- Many times.
Back and forth.
- You mentioned yesterday,
you'’ve spoken to her once.
- Yes, on the phone.
- So she had to give you
her number.
- I have a Canadian phone number
for Katy, yes.
- Which you were texting on
at one point?
- Yes.
- Okay.
But the majority
of your conversations
have been through different
texting apps--or messaging apps.
- A lot of stuff like videos,
you can'’t send through the apps.
So, you know, she shared
some songs with me, some music
before they even were released.
- Really?
Like early versions
of--of tracks?
- Yeah.
- Well, that'’s...
some kind of proof.
I think the next step
is looking at these things.
- Okay.
Sit down at the computer.
- This is her right here.
- So you'’ve got 1,809 emails.
That'’s a lot.
- Messenger is way more
than that.
- She said, "Hi! Heart.
"I don'’t even know if you check
your email tons,
"but I stole Marcus'’s laptop.
"So first thing I do
is email you.
Heart, heart.
Love you."
- Marcus [bleep].
- That'’s her manager?
- Just a friend.
- "Here'’s a random bunch
"of my songs
that are unreleased.
Here'’s the links."
So she sent you links
to YouTube.
- They'’re YouTube videos.
- Unavailable.
- A lot of it is.
- So she'’s saying, "Here are
some unreleased tracks..."
- And she'’s linking them from,
like,
random people'’s YouTube pages.
- Yeah.
- Right.
If they were really
unreleased tracks from her,
wouldn'’t they be--
- Part of the--
Part of the fun for her was
keeping me kinda guessing.
- All right, so.
Clearly you guys talked
very often.
- Yeah.
- Was there ever discussion
about, like, you moving out
to California?
- Having kids, getting married.
- Really?
- Yeah, I have made a ring
for her.
- You...made a ring?
- Yeah.
- Like you had an actual
engagement ring made?
- My great grandmother'’s
emerald, I took out of it,
and put in a new diamond band.
- You have it here?
- Can we see it?
- Yeah, go grab that.
- I don'’t know.
Wow.
- I'’m not proposing to you.
- [laughs]
- She'’s got a song,
"Don'’t let this moment
pass you by."
- Oh, my God, that'’s beautiful.
- Thank you.
- You spent some bread on that.
- Yeah.
- A lot?
- Yeah.
- How much of your savings--
- [indistinct]
Um...25% of it, probably.
- Whoa, that'’s a lot.
- That'’s serious, man.
- It'’s crazy.
- Look, I feel bad.
And I don'’t want to, like,
break your heart,
because you obviously have a lot
invested in this relationship.
But nothing you'’ve shown us is,
like, good evidence of anything.
In fact,
I see this as pretty sloppy.
- This is why
I-I messaged you guys.
- Right.
- I need your help.
- I have a ring.
I need to know.
- All right, all right.
We have to investigate.
- Thanks, man.
- Good to meet you.
- All right, buddy.
- He just full-fledged
believes it.
- I mean, the ring?
The ring?
I feel like this guy is just
gonna have his heart stepped on
and broken into
a million pieces.
It'’s not like, "Oh, my God,
could it be Katy Perry?"
'’cause there'’s no way
it'’s Katy Perry.
- But could it be Katy Perry?
- Could it be Katy Perry?
- All right.
- All right, so...
Spencer.
- [exhales]
- Unshakeable faith.
- This is either gonna be very
easy or nearly impossible.
- I think it'’s gonna be
nearly impossible.
- Right, well, we know that
she'’s not Katy Perry, right?
- Right.
- Right?
- It is not Katy Perry.
- Are you 100% sure?
- I am 100% sure.
- All right.
Just dive in headfirst.
"Hey, guys, thanks for meeting
with me yesterday.
"Here'’s the information
I have for Katy.
"I have one phone number
for her.
"Here is the email address
that I have been using
to communicate with her."
All right, so we'’ve got
a phone number and an email.
Let'’s search.
- Yeah, let'’s look up both.
- All right, let'’s just start
with this phone number.
We'’ve never searched
an international phone number
before.
- 403.
Come on, baby!
- Fingers crossed.
both: Oh!
- We got a hit.
- It says it'’s cell phone.
From Calgary, Alberta.
- That'’s it.
- Let'’s look up her email.
All right, "purry kitteh"...
- Come on! We'’re almost there.
Here we go.
both: We got a match!
- We got a hit!
- Oh, my God.
- We got a hit!
- Harriet [bleep].
both: In England!
- Picture and everything!
- Wait, but this girl'’s hot!
- Yeah.
- Look, it'’s from ask.fm.
- Who is this chick?
- Go to the ask.fm profile.
- "About Harriet [bleep].
Cat lady.
"I sold my soul to Lady Gaga
"and now my feels
are all over the place.
"If you don'’t like Lady Gaga,
I probably hate you.
"Meow meow bitch.
England."
- Wait, do you think this person
really could be in England?
- I don'’t know.
So far it looks like it.
- It'’s looking international.
Canada, England.
- Right.
- So search for
"Harriet [bleep]" on Facebook.
Come on, baby.
- Oh! We got a hit.
- We got a hit.
- Oh, my God.
- Harriet [bleep].
Gloucester. Boom!
- Whoa!
- We got it!
- From Calgary, Alberta.
But now lives in England.
- Hello.
- She'’s cute.
- She'’s pretty.
- She'’s really pretty.
Let'’s scroll down her page
a little bit.
Here she is with friends.
- She'’s a total babe.
- Oh! Oh!
- What?
- "When Katy Perry
notices your art."
- Katy Perry liked it.
- That'’s crazy.
So she'’s a Katy Perry fan,
obviously.
- But look, it says that it was
posted from United Kingdom.
- Oh, yeah, so this girl'’s
definitely in England.
Oh, there'’s more
Katy Perry stuff.
- Yeah, lot of Katy Perry stuff.
She'’s posting about Lady Gaga.
- Mm-hmm.
I mean,
this page feels pretty real.
- It does feel real.
- Someone said,
"Hey, you, had a great time
hanging out
"with you over the weekend.
Let me know
when you'’re free next."
This was a couple days ago.
- Okay, so she knows this girl.
- I guess so.
All right, so let'’s reach out.
"Hey, Amy, we'’re making
an episode of '’Catfish'’
and we need your help.
Please get back to me as soon
as you can." All right.
- Boom.
She'’s in England, she'’s real.
She likes Katy Perry.
- It'’s her. It'’s gotta be her.
- It'’s her.
- All right, so look,
we gotta talk to Spencer now
because this episode
just took a serious turn.
- An international turn.
[phone line trilling]
- Spencer, we are on our way
over to your house.
Are you ready for us?
- Have you told him yet
about all this?
- All right, man.
Bye.
- All right, let'’s do it.
What'’s up, fellas?
- What'’s up, guys?
- Nev, Max.
- Hey, Sam.
- Nice to meet you.
- Pleasure to meet you.
- Let'’s go inside.
Okay.
- There we go.
- So do you know
who we are at all?
- I'’ve seen your movie before.
- Oh, really? You saw the doc?
- Yeah.
- Oh, okay.
So you know about my experience
getting catfished.
So since I had that experience,
we'’ve been on the road
helping people
who find themselves
in situations like I did.
- Wow.
- Sometimes it works out.
Most of the time it doesn'’t.
- Okay.
- Spencer, why don'’t you...
- Um, okay, I'’ve been talking
to this woman...
- Okay.
- For the last six years.
I'’m in love with her.
- Wow.
- Uh, she'’s awesome.
Um...
it'’s Katy Perry.
The singer.
- Wow.
- You and Katy were very close.
- Yeah. Lots of "I love you'’s."
- For years, it was, like,
constant back and forth.
The email, text app, whatever.
- No Skype calls.
- Yep.
- No phone calls.
- Nope.
- Well, one phone call.
- Yes, really one.
- It goes even further,
but I don'’t know how far
you want to...
- What, the ring?
- Yeah.
- You got a ring?
- Yes, I'’ve made her a ring.
It'’s our great grandmother'’s
emerald.
Took a diamond ring, like, band
to it, and made a ring.
It'’s an engagement ring.
- That'’s intense.
- Why don'’t you show
your brother the ring?
- Sure.
- Great Grammy'’s ring.
- What do you think?
- It'’s an incredible story.
It'’s too incredible
to be...true.
- Does he have a history
of incredible stories?
- No.
- He'’s never done anything
kinda like this before?
- No, not that I can
come up with,
which is kinda what makes it
extra incredible.
'’Cause I would put him
as the kind of person
who doesn'’t get up
and ever do anything incredible.
- All right, let'’s see it.
- Okay. Check it out.
- Wow.
That'’s really nice.
Um...I'’m really glad
that you'’ve had someone
that you'’ve been talking to
and someone that obviously
means a lot.
That'’s really awesome to hear.
- There'’s definitely love there.
- I'’m sure you know I'’m here
for you, no matter what.
- Oh, I don'’t have any doubts.
- All right.
- Okay.
- I promise not to tell our mom.
Good luck.
- All right, why don'’t
we move into the kitchen?
We'’ll sit down and talk.
- Yeah.
- How you feelin'’
about telling your brother?
- Good--I think he took it well.
As best as he could, I guess.
- On a scale of 1 to 10, where'’s
your confidence level right now?
- It'’s at 1,000.
- [chuckles]
All right,
so we did some research.
We took the email that you sent.
We ran the phone number.
And all that it came back with
is that it'’s registered
to Calgary, Alberta.
- Yep, I did that.
- Right, you had done that.
- I had looked.
- Right.
- So the next thing we did was
we searched her email.
Purry kitty.
And this was our first big hit.
- "Harriet [bleep]."
- Right any bells?
- No.
- You never heard that name
before?
- Not once.
- It says one profile match
on ask.fm.
- Okay.
- It doesn'’t have, like,
any information except
a little tiny "about."
- "I sold my soul to Lady Gaga
"and now my feels
are all over the place.
"If you don'’t like Lady Gaga,
I probably hate you.
"Meow meow bitch.
England."
Mmmm...doesn'’t sound like her.
- No?
She doesn'’t say,
"Meow meow bitch"?
- No, and is not the biggest
Lady Gaga fan.
- Really? Like actively disliked
Lady Gaga?
- Um...
You want me to announce that?
Is that okay to say?
Yeah.
Yeah, like, the night
that I-I fell in love with Katy,
like, a lot of the conversation
was dissing on Lady Gaga.
So yeah, I'’m feeling like this
is not the person
that I'’ve been talking to.
- Okay.
But there'’s a weird connection.
The email that you'’ve been using
to correspond with Katy--
- Is connected to this person.
- Right.
So then we searched Facebook.
And one thing came back.
- There'’s that name again,
right?
- There'’s that name again.
- All right.
- Well, so we went
to her profile.
Lives in England, Gloucester.
But she did live in Calgary,
which is the first, like,
connection to a real beat
from your experience with Katy.
- Okay, that'’s weird.
- Well, as we scrolled down
her page,
we saw that she had made some
art Katy Perry had favorited.
So we know she likes Katy Perry.
When we scrolled down her
timeline a little bit further,
we saw people leaving comments.
- So we reached out to Amy.
- She hasn'’t written back.
- But the point is,
we feel pretty confident
that you'’re actually talking
to this girl Harriet
who lives in the UK.
She'’s actually pretty cute.
- Yeah, she'’s fine.
But the writing doesn'’t seem
similar to me.
- How do you mean?
- Just how she'’s talking.
Like, hello,
how I'’m having a conversation
with someone like that.
- Oh, doesn'’t match the way
that you and Katy talk?
- Right.
- I think you probably need
some time to process this stuff.
- Right.
- Seem pretty, like...
- Mad?
- Well, I mean, a minute ago,
you were 1,000% sure.
- I mean, it looks like
that'’s the person, you know?
- We agree.
We'’ve got one viable option
right now.
We could definitely go to
England and reach out to her,
but that'’s your call.
- ♪ All good things in life
for free ♪
- I mean, that'’s extremely
embarrassing for me.
You'’ve had six years to tell me
who you are.
- ♪ This is what they are
for me ♪
- So you'’re ruining,
like, my life right now.
For what?
'’Cause you'’re an insecure girl?
It'’s hateful.
[choir singing indistinctly]
- I'’m so confused at the moment.
- If you want to say,
"You know what?
I don'’t want to go,"
then you can say that too.
- It'’s just I want her
to apologize to me to my face.
So...let'’s go to England.
Let'’s meet Harriet.
Let'’s go meet her.
- Great.
- We'’ll pick you up tomorrow.
- All right,
so we'’re gonna go to England.
- All right.
- Thanks, guys.
- All right, man, take it easy.
- Thank you.
- ♪ It goes without saying
♪ Sometimes
- Okay, I think
we'’re recording here.
Um, had a little bit
more time to think.
Yesterday was hard,
it was tough for sure.
Knew it was gonna be tough.
I'’ve gone back and listened
to some of her songs
in the last album.
All of '’em have little bits
of lyrics that are clues to me.
It was, uh, it was up to me
to figure it out.
But I figured it out.
I'’m fully 100% confident
it'’s Katy.
She'’s smart.
I think that she has planted
this Harriet seed
from way back in 2010.
And we are all bearing witness
to it coming to fruition.
It'’s Katy.
I know it'’s Katy.
- All right.
- Here is is,
just on the porch waiting.
- What'’s up, guys?
- You ready for your trip
to England?
- Let'’s do it.
- Well, did you talk
to your bro at all?
- Yeah, I might have
mentioned to him
I'’m thinking
I'’m meeting Katy Perry possibly.
- Wait, what?
- Come on.
- I haven'’t ruled that out
as a possibility.
- Dude, you'’re not talking
to Katy Perry.
- I did Google Katy last night.
- And what'’d you find?
- That maybe
her current situation,
there might be some
rocky waters, so...
- With her boyfriend?
- Mr. Bloom.
- So you'’re thinking there might
be, like, kind of a...
- An opening?
- An opening.
- Maybe.
I'’m still believing.
- Weirder [bleep] has happened.
- Really?
- I mean, just in general.
- [laughs]
- There starts the long road
to England.
- ♪ And from a small town,
our hard-working folks ♪
♪ Were all born rich
and we all died broke ♪
- Wonder if we can get some
catfish and chips.
- Going to England together!
- ♪ And we all know
that the sun will shine ♪
♪ I must go and chase
this dream of mine ♪
- Good night.
- ♪ And I know
I can do you proud ♪
♪ When I'’m high above
those clouds ♪
♪
- "Catfish" has made it
to the UK.
Eight hours later.
- There they are!
- Yay!
Sun'’s out.
- We all know
that the sun will shine ♪
- England is beautiful so far.
- How you doin'’?
- Look, there'’s Big Ben.
- Oh, my God.
- ♪ When I'’m high
above those clouds ♪
- There'’s Richard
the Lionhearted.
There'’s a great statue.
And there'’s a statue
of a man named Nev.
And here I am in front
of Buckingham Palace
where the queen of England
sits atop her throne.
- All right, gentlemen.
See you tomorrow.
- Yep, tomorrow.
- [in a British accent]
Hello!
Let'’s go down the hallway
and fetch out lad.
- It'’s not good.
[both laughing]
- Hello?
- '’ello, gov!
- Top of the morning!
- '’ello, govna!
- Morning.
Come in, boys.
- Gentlemen, let'’s do a little
Facebook message check.
Oh, yeah.
- Have you got one?
- Amy wrote back.
"Of course.
I'’ll do anything I can to help.
Call me."
I'’m gonna see
if I can FaceTime her.
[FaceTime line trilling]
Oh, it'’s connecting.
Hi!
- Oh, hi!
- Amy, right?
- Yeah, yeah.
- Hey, it'’s Nev and Max.
- Is this even real?
- It'’s real.
We'’re doing an episode
right now
and we were wondering you could
tell us a little bit more
about your friend Harriet.
- Um, she'’s actually
my ex-girlfriend.
- Ex-girlfriend? What?
- Yeah.
- Is she a lesbian? Is she bi?
- She'’s 100% gay, yeah.
- Okay, that'’s pretty certain.
- How long were you guys dating?
- Only for a couple months.
Month or two.
- Okay, so not that long.
We'’re here in London, obviously.
Where do you live?
- Gloucester.
- And she lives out there too,
right?
- Yeah.
- Our plan was to drive out
there today
and hopefully meet up with her.
We'’re gonna be staying
at the Hotel Convent.
- Yeah, I know where that is.
- Okay, cool.
So if you could let her know
that we spoke,
that we'’d love to meet up
with her.
She can reach us on this number.
That'’d be great.
- Okay.
- Thank you.
- All right, bye.
- Bye.
- Whoa!
- Okay.
- That'’s a pretty big--
- She kissed a girl
and she liked it!
- Apparently.
- Was very helpful.
- They were dating.
- To me, that'’s, like,
huge evidence
like it'’s not this person.
- That'’s more evidence
that it'’s Katy Perry.
- It is still on the table
for me.
- At this point,
we don'’t have any other choice
other than drive out there,
hopefully meet this girl.
If she'’s not
who you'’ve been talking to,
she'’s gotta have some idea of
who you have been talking to.
All right. He'’s ready.
- To Gloucester.
- A "glosster" is someone who
applies lip gloss constantly.
- Well, we should bring
some cherry Chap Stick.
- Nev, you gotta
get in here now.
Have you ever driven in England
before?
- Uh...
it'’s so weird getting in
over here.
Here we go.
- Guys, this is dangerous.
- It'’s fine, Max.
I got this.
- Ah!
- Oh, my God.
[laughter]
- ♪ Take a [...] day
and make it all right ♪
♪ Yeah, all right
[all groaning]
- What happened?
Ugh, you really destroyed it.
- ♪ This bad taste,
these headaches ♪
♪ Wake up on the floor again
- Well done. Well done.
- ♪ Baby, you'’re the highlight
of my lowlife ♪
- Wow, look at this place!
This is so awesome.
- Harriet has to know we'’re here
because we spoke to Amy.
- Well, '’cause--yeah.
Amy must have told her.
Amy seemed very willing to give
up all the info.
- Yeah.
- That'’s what happens
when you break up with somebody.
- I'’m just worried
if we don'’t meet Harriet,
then he'’s gonna keep somehow
believing he'’s talking to Katy--
- But here'’s the thing--
[phone sighing]
What the hell?
Is your phone--is that--
what is that?
- I don'’t know.
- Is that how phones ring here?
- It'’s the receptionist.
Hello?
She'’s here?
Uh, okay. Okay.
Tell her I'’ll be down shortly.
Thank you.
What?
- Whoa.
Wait, she'’s here?
How did she--
- We told Amy
we were staying here.
- This is like "Seven" where
Kevin Spacey just shows up
at the police station...
- "What'’s in the box?"
[dramatic music]
♪
Yo.
- Hey, guys.
- She'’s here.
- [bleep], I'’m ready.
- You wanna come down with us?
- Need deodorant or something?
- No, I put it on.
You wanna smell?
- No, you'’re good, you'’re good.
Come on, let'’s go down.
- To the garden?
Okay, thanks.
Oh, I see someone [indistinct].
Hello.
Harriet, I presume.
- Yeah.
- Nev, how are you?
- Hi, I'’m Max.
- Hi, I'’m Harriet.
- Nice to meet you.
- Hi, I'’m Harriet.
- This is Spencer.
- Spencer.
- Yeah, Amy told me you guys
were here, so...
- So you'’ve been talking to
Spencer for the last six years.
- I have.
- You don'’t know Katy Perry.
- No.
[laughs]
- Anything to say to me?
- No...
I'’m sorry, I guess.
- It'’s not the kind of thing
you guess you'’re sorry about.
- No, yeah.
- Seems like an understatement.
- Yeah. [laughs]
- Forgive me,
but is there anything about
this situation
that you find humorous?
- No. I don'’t think
it'’s, like, funny.
- He said that you had to be
Katy because you knew
so much about her life
and all these details...
- Well, I was, like, a really
big fan of hers,
so it was kinda stuff I knew
from being a fan.
- I was checking everything.
- Well, yeah, I kinda just...
was kinda really obsessive
there.
- Googling Katy,
where'’s she'’s at,
what she'’s doing,
what she likes...
- Well, it was kind of me
though.
- Six years, like, this
is the first time us meeting?
I feel like...
more excitement, maybe, more...
- You would feel it?
- Or she would towards me.
Where did we meet again?
- On the app.
- Oh.
- Yeah.
- Who else could it be?
- I mean, really, Katy.
- Where we meet again?
- On the app. Yeah.
- Oh.
- Dude, it'’s her.
- No, I don'’t think it is, man.
- Who else could it be?
- I mean, really, Katy.
- You can'’t possibly think
it'’s still Katy Perry.
- I do.
- Okay, so...do you wanna...
- Well.
- Can you just pop his bubble
for a second
and tell him that he has not
been talking to Katy Perry?
- Is there something you can
tell him that might...
ring true?
- Your middle name'’s Ray.
You dressed up as that hot sauce
for Halloween.
- What'’s the name of our kids
that we talked about?
- It was Lica, Luca,
something else.
Started with an L, probably.
- It'’s not her.
- What do you mean?
- It'’s not her.
- Why, did she get
the name wrong?
- No, she got
the first two names right.
- Oh, it was Boss.
[all talking at once]
- You'’re not getting punked
right now.
- It was Boss. It was--
- This is it.
- I think that Katy would get
a kick out of me
getting punked a little bit.
This might be a little bit
part of that.
- So Katy Perry and Harriet
conspired to bring you here.
- I mean, she got some details
that were pretty important.
- But she doesn'’t care!
- They weren'’t important--
- Right, '’cause she didn'’t
care that much.
Which is maybe harder
to--to accept.
- We found the person
you'’ve been talking to
beyond really
any shred of doubt.
And you still want to believe
the thing that makes you
happier.
But you need to know that you'’re
not talking to Katy Perry.
And you need to start thinking
about other people'’s feelings.
The fact that this is
the actual human being,
as weird and crazy
as he might be, has a heart
and was giving it to you 100%
for six years of his life.
Both of you, there'’s some self
reflection that needs to happen.
So why don'’t we get out of here.
Potentially meet with you
tomorrow.
That'’s very doable, right?
- Yep.
[dramatic music]
Scale of 1 to 10,
how confident are you
that you'’re talking
to Katy Perry?
- Gonna go with a 9.
- Well, at least it'’s down
from a 10.
This is it, man.
This is it.
Definitely the girl
you'’ve been talking to.
I promise you.
- I guess her personality
just doesn'’t match at all
the person--maybe she'’s just
playing tough, like...
"I don'’t care about crushing
this dude'’s heart."
I mean, I don'’t know.
- Not saying this
to sound harsh.
I'’m saying this so--
'’cause this is the reality
of the situation.
There'’s no Katy Perry at the end
of this rainbow.
There'’s not even a girl
who'’s in love with you.
Think you really need to spend
some time accepting that.
Take some time to start closing
this door
and getting ready to open
another one.
[knock at door]
- Morning.
- Come on in.
- How you feeling?
- Feel good.
- On a scale of 1 to 10,
how confident are you
that you'’re talking
to Katy Perry?
- Like a 1, I guess, probably.
- Okay, that'’s progress.
- Yeah.
Um, soaking everything in.
I was gullible, for sure.
And I guess maybe
I fed myself into that.
- All right, so you get it.
- Yeah.
Live and learn, you know.
- Sure.
Is there anything you want
to, like, hear from her today
that would make your process of
dealing with this better?
- Maybe a little more awareness
of what I'’ve gone through.
I don'’t know if there was
emotion going on.
I couldn'’t see it.
- I think that'’s fair.
- We thought it would be good if
we went and talked to her first.
- Yeah.
- And then maybe give you guys
a chance to sit down together.
See if it goes
a little differently
than it did yesterday.
- Okay.
- ♪ There'’s people you love
that you don'’t want to love ♪
- Look how great this is.
Looks like a painting.
- ♪ Everybody'’s running ♪
- Pastoral.
- They don'’t know
where they'’re going ♪
- "Ye olde lodge."
- Is anything new?
- [laughing]
Look at this place.
It'’s gorgeous.
- Good morrow.
- Hey, how are you?
- Is that what you say here?
- No.
- That'’s not a thing?
- That'’s not a thing.
- How are you feeling today?
- Better than yesterday.
A lot less, like, nervous.
I think there was a lot, like,
left unsaid.
- Yeah, that'’s kinda
what we thought.
Part of what was so difficult
for Spencer to kind of
wrap his mind around was that
the personality of Katy
was so warm and playful
and affectionate and cute,
and then he met you yesterday,
and he'’s like,
"This can'’t be the girl
I'’ve been talking to.
This girl doesn'’t seem to have
any of those qualities."
- Yeah, I want to, like,
explain to him, like...
obviously, when I started
the profile, I was pretty young.
I wanted to be more like her.
Her confidence
that I didn'’t have,
and her kind of...um...
her, like, just kind of
fun personality
that I guess
I still might not have.
So yesterday,
I didn'’t really know what to do.
Were you shocked
that this guy believed
that you were Katy Perry?
- Yeah.
He was, like, the only one.
For someone to believe
that I was Katy Perry,
like, I wanted him in my life
'’cause he is so accepting
of that.
- So if he could accept you
saying that you were Katy Perry,
then he would accept anything
about you.
- Yeah.
Obviously, I wasn'’t able
to say that to him.
And it made me feel really,
like, guilty
that I made him, like,
go to such an extent.
- I can see
that you'’re a warmer person
than you appeared
to be yesterday.
- You need to kind of step up
today with him
and be mature about it
and, you know, be accountable.
Be responsible.
- Yeah.
I'’d like to do that.
- Come on.
- All right, let'’s do this.
What'’s up, pal?
- Hello, Harriet.
- Hi.
- How are we feeling today?
- Feeling better, thanks.
How '’bout you?
- Uh, better, yeah.
- Is it cool if we give you
a minute to talk without us?
- Come on, Harriet.
- We'’ll see you guys
in a little bit.
- Okay, thanks, guys.
- I'’m really sorry
about, like, yesterday.
I felt like I couldn'’t,
like, say
lots of stuff that I wanted to.
- Well, I mean,
here'’s your chance.
I mean, the reason
I'’m here is for you.
- Yeah, yeah.
- I get that it'’s, you know,
fun for a little while,
but for six years, I mean,
that'’s...
it had to be exhausting for you
'’cause it was exhausting for me
just to try to keep up
with what you were telling me.
- It, like, just all started
'’cause I lived, like,
in the middle of nowhere,
like, away from my school
and away from, like,
any, like, friends'’ houses.
I didn'’t really have anybody,
and then, like, I don'’t know,
I thought it would be kinda easy
to talk to someone online.
I was just scared of putting
myself out there.
Obviously, Katy,
like, I chose her
'’cause she was someone
I aspired to be like.
I didn'’t feel confident
or bubbly or fun.
For me, it was enjoyable
to feel, like, pretty like that.
But there'’s also
that kind of realization
that I'’ve lost myself in that,
like, being someone else.
And like, I just got to a point
where I couldn'’t imagine,
like, not talking to you.
Like, I looked forward
to it so much.
Just talking to you--I'’ve been
through some, like, tough times
throughout the time we'’ve been
talking, the past six years.
Like, my dad died
a few years ago.
[sniffles]
- I'’m sorry.
I know that'’s tough.
- Being able to talk to you
throughout that
was just, like, reassuring
and like...
knowing that I'’ve hurt you...
acknowledging that is hard
for me.
And I guess I haven'’t really
thought about that before,
like, that this, what I'’m doing,
could actually hurt someone.
I'’m, like, genuinely sorry.
Can'’t really change what I did,
but I understand
it was really wrong, so.
- I came into this situation
with an open heart,
so that'’s something
I have to learn.
Just to protect that myself.
- Yeah, to know you were,
like, valued, I guess,
would be like my thing.
- You told me many, many times,
but it'’s nice for you to tell me
again face to face for sure.
I know that there was a lot
of love that was there.
And maybe doesn'’t seem
like that now,
but, you know, there was
definitely a strong connection
going on for a long time.
- I did care about you,
and I do care about you.
It'’s like, obviously,
I'’m not straight.
It'’s kinda weird.
- Yeah, the whole thing'’s weird.
- Yeah, it is.
- I mean, absolutely.
[both laughing]
- But then, like, I don'’t know
where that leaves you, like...
- I'’ll be okay.
I'’ll be fine.
The bad'’s in the past.
- Yeah.
- What'’s ahead will be good.
[Skype line trilling]
both: Hey, Spencer!
- There he is!
- Great, man.
- Spencer, on a scale
of 1 to 10, how sure are you
that you were talking
to Katy Perry.
- He'’s cured.
- Have you had any communication
with Harriet?
- Wow. Nothing.
- Oh, so you'’ve tried
and she hasn'’t responded.
- Yeah, that is weird.
- All right, buddy.
We'’re gonna call Harriet
right now
and see why she isn'’t
responding.
- Later, man.
- Harriet!
Good!
How are you feeling
after everything that went down?
- So you got some emails
from Spencer?
- What were they?
- Wait, wait, wait, wait.
So Spencer sent an email
to your Katy Perry email address
telling Katy Perry that he came
to England and met you.
- Gotta call Spencer back.
- Bye, Harriet.
- Bye.
- All right, call Spencer.
Spencer, we just spoke
to Harriet.
- She told us
you sent some emails
describing your trip to England,
meeting Harriet
as if Harriet wasn'’t the girl
you were sending the emails to.
[both laughing]
- So you just wanted
to be 200% sure
that Katy wasn'’t really
behind all this.
- But now are you sure?
- All right, well, look, man.
We just want to make sure
that there'’s no more doubt,
that you really do get it.
- There is no Katy Perry
in this whole scenario.
- Well, that'’s good to hear.
- Spencer, man, you are one
of our favorite people
we'’ve ever had on the show.
- Be good!And...
- Party on.
- Party on.
- All right, later, dude.
- "I'’ve been married
for over seven years.
- Whoa.
- Whoa.
- If I have to go meet this
guy, play by his rules, I will.
If you guys want
to come outside, that works.
- Here they come.
- No. [bleep]
929
00:41:05.
your best episode ever.
- Whoa. Why'’s that?
- Yeah.
- I'’ve made a ring for her.
- What?
- We could definitely go
to England and reach out to her.
- Let'’s go meet her.
- "Catfish" has made it
to the UK.
- Hello? Okay.
Tell her I'’ll be down shortly.
- What?
- Whoa.
[dramatic music]
- She'’s here.
- [bleep]
- This is my color.
- That is your color.
It'’s crazy that we took so long
to get you silver Max Cam.
- Everything looks better on it.
It actually
turns everyone'’s hair grey.
That worked!
[laughs]
- All right, ooh,
we got something.
- All right.
- "Dear Catfish,
my name is Spencer,
"and I am a typical guy living
in Knoxville, Tennessee.
"I met Katy on a texting app.
"We chatted as much
as humanly possible
over the last six years."
- ♪ Remember when you threw me
the hard stuff high inside ♪
- "Katy lives all the way
out in California."
- Yes!
We could be going to Cali.
- "Not that long ago,
Katy finally got to the point--
to go fully all in with me."
- ♪ No-oh-oh-oh divide
- "I was really excited
that our love was finally
"going to cross over
into a real relationship,
"but she killed
that idea completely
"only a few weeks afterwards
without explaining why.
"Katy claims she sent an email
"explaining what was going on
with her.
"Problem is that I never
received that message.
"It'’s been lost
in the cyberspace black hole,
"but she never resent it
so I could read it.
"I am not sure what she wanted
to say to me.
"Any help would be greatly
appreciated.
Thank you.
Spencer."
I mean, it'’s a little unclear
what'’s going on here.
- There are a lot of gaps--
- Let'’s just call this guy.
[line trilling]
- Hey!
- Hey!
- What'’s up, guys?
- Hey, Spencer. How you doin'’?
- Oh, man, I'’m excited
to see you guys.
Thank you
for, uh, talking to me.
- You obviously have high hopes
for this episode.
- Yeah, I think this is gonna
be your best episode ever.
- Whoa. Why'’s that?
- Yeah.
- All right, well,
Katy is Katy Perry.
So...there you go.
[both laughing]
What?
- Yeah, go ahead
and laugh about it.
You'’ll meet her.
- That'’s the Katy that you were
talking about in your email?
- That'’s right.
- That'’s a wild...
claim to be making.
- Wait, time out.
Is she not, like,
with someone else now?
- I think she is
dating somebody, yes.
- Who?
- I think it'’s the elf
from "The Lord of the Rings."
- Orlando Bloom?
- That'’s right.
- And what, if anything,
gives you the impression
that you are actually talking
to Katy Perry?
- '’Cause I'’ve been talking
to her for six years.
Just the millions and millions
of details.
Little stories, like,
when she was growing up
that only Katy would know.
- Okay...
- But you--but you--
you understand how, like...
it'’s one of
the most ridiculous things
we'’ve probably ever heard.
- Yeah, I haven'’t told anybody,
obviously.
But we met
on this goofy little app.
You could interact
with other people on it.
She was on there, I was
on there at the same time.
Her name on there
was Katy Perry.
I messaged her, "Hi!
Are you the singer?"
- Must be her!
- It was immediate connection.
A million "I love you'’s"
back and forth.
It was pretty cool.
Katy got to the point of really
wanting to go all in with me,
and have me completely attached
to her, I guess.
But then she quickly killed
that idea,
probably about two weeks
after that.
She deleted
the Yahoo messenger.
Didn'’t tell me why.
Later in an email, she said
that she had sent a message
explaining everything,
but I never got the message,
and she never resent it,
so I would like to, you know,
be face to face
and see if
there'’s a future here.
- All right, Spencer,
level with us for a second.
On a scale of 1 to 10,
10 being, "I fully believe
I'’m in a virtual relationship
with Katy Perry,"
and 1 being "This could be true,
but probably isn'’t,
but I thought it would be
a good episode of '’Catfish,'’"
where do you fall on that scale?
- Like, 1,000.
- Have you spoken to her
on the phone?
- I have. One time.
- One time?
- And it was $270 because
she had a phone from Canada.
- Why does Katy Perry
have a phone from Canada?
- She was on tour in Canada
at the time.
It made total sense.
- Spencer, nothing
would make me happier
than bringing you
to meet Katy Perry,
but, I mean,
it'’s a real stretch.
- Would you like to find out
with me?
- I mean, yeah. Sure.
- Let'’s find out.
- So long as you understand
that, like,
I'’m usually the one who tries
to remain hopeful
and think that
there'’s maybe a chance.
I'’m going to abandon that role
on this episode.
- Man, this is gonna make it
even more sweet when it'’s her.
- Okay! Great.
- [indistinct] making my dream
come true.
- We'’ll be there.
- Okay, thanks, guys.
- What is there?
What can you say?
I think we have to just kinda
go in and just say, like,
"All right, man,
take us on this ride.
Like, whatever weird thing
you'’ve got going on, we'’re in."
- All right.
Thank you.
Knoxville, here we come.
Sorry, you'’re in my seat
- ♪ You make me feel so good
♪
- Whoo!
- ♪ Ooh, ooh, ooh
- Here we are,
downtown Knoxville.
- It is beautiful here.
- I don'’t know,
what do you think?
Do you see Katy Perry
moving to Knoxville?
- I mean, he'’s clearly not
talking to Katy Perry.
- At least
we'’ll get some insight
as to who this Katy really is
and the kind of scam
she'’s working.
- All right, dude.
- ♪ It make her feel so
♪
- Lot of different ways
to knock in Knoxville.
- All right! There he is!
- How we doin'’?
- All right, Spencer,
in the flesh.
Come in, guys.
Look at this place.
Charming.
All right, this looks
like a nice place.
I got a lot of questions.
I don'’t even know
where to start.
- What is it about her
that you like so much?
- Oh, she'’s awesome.
Katy'’s funnier than I am,
she'’s smarter than I am.
I don'’t know how many people
give her credit for that,
but she'’s very intelligent.
Katy'’s full of life.
She'’s--huge heart.
- Have you guys said
that you love each other?
- Many times.
Back and forth.
- You mentioned yesterday,
you'’ve spoken to her once.
- Yes, on the phone.
- So she had to give you
her number.
- I have a Canadian phone number
for Katy, yes.
- Which you were texting on
at one point?
- Yes.
- Okay.
But the majority
of your conversations
have been through different
texting apps--or messaging apps.
- A lot of stuff like videos,
you can'’t send through the apps.
So, you know, she shared
some songs with me, some music
before they even were released.
- Really?
Like early versions
of--of tracks?
- Yeah.
- Well, that'’s...
some kind of proof.
I think the next step
is looking at these things.
- Okay.
Sit down at the computer.
- This is her right here.
- So you'’ve got 1,809 emails.
That'’s a lot.
- Messenger is way more
than that.
- She said, "Hi! Heart.
"I don'’t even know if you check
your email tons,
"but I stole Marcus'’s laptop.
"So first thing I do
is email you.
Heart, heart.
Love you."
- Marcus [bleep].
- That'’s her manager?
- Just a friend.
- "Here'’s a random bunch
"of my songs
that are unreleased.
Here'’s the links."
So she sent you links
to YouTube.
- They'’re YouTube videos.
- Unavailable.
- A lot of it is.
- So she'’s saying, "Here are
some unreleased tracks..."
- And she'’s linking them from,
like,
random people'’s YouTube pages.
- Yeah.
- Right.
If they were really
unreleased tracks from her,
wouldn'’t they be--
- Part of the--
Part of the fun for her was
keeping me kinda guessing.
- All right, so.
Clearly you guys talked
very often.
- Yeah.
- Was there ever discussion
about, like, you moving out
to California?
- Having kids, getting married.
- Really?
- Yeah, I have made a ring
for her.
- You...made a ring?
- Yeah.
- Like you had an actual
engagement ring made?
- My great grandmother'’s
emerald, I took out of it,
and put in a new diamond band.
- You have it here?
- Can we see it?
- Yeah, go grab that.
- I don'’t know.
Wow.
- I'’m not proposing to you.
- [laughs]
- She'’s got a song,
"Don'’t let this moment
pass you by."
- Oh, my God, that'’s beautiful.
- Thank you.
- You spent some bread on that.
- Yeah.
- A lot?
- Yeah.
- How much of your savings--
- [indistinct]
Um...25% of it, probably.
- Whoa, that'’s a lot.
- That'’s serious, man.
- It'’s crazy.
- Look, I feel bad.
And I don'’t want to, like,
break your heart,
because you obviously have a lot
invested in this relationship.
But nothing you'’ve shown us is,
like, good evidence of anything.
In fact,
I see this as pretty sloppy.
- This is why
I-I messaged you guys.
- Right.
- I need your help.
- I have a ring.
I need to know.
- All right, all right.
We have to investigate.
- Thanks, man.
- Good to meet you.
- All right, buddy.
- He just full-fledged
believes it.
- I mean, the ring?
The ring?
I feel like this guy is just
gonna have his heart stepped on
and broken into
a million pieces.
It'’s not like, "Oh, my God,
could it be Katy Perry?"
'’cause there'’s no way
it'’s Katy Perry.
- But could it be Katy Perry?
- Could it be Katy Perry?
- All right.
- All right, so...
Spencer.
- [exhales]
- Unshakeable faith.
- This is either gonna be very
easy or nearly impossible.
- I think it'’s gonna be
nearly impossible.
- Right, well, we know that
she'’s not Katy Perry, right?
- Right.
- Right?
- It is not Katy Perry.
- Are you 100% sure?
- I am 100% sure.
- All right.
Just dive in headfirst.
"Hey, guys, thanks for meeting
with me yesterday.
"Here'’s the information
I have for Katy.
"I have one phone number
for her.
"Here is the email address
that I have been using
to communicate with her."
All right, so we'’ve got
a phone number and an email.
Let'’s search.
- Yeah, let'’s look up both.
- All right, let'’s just start
with this phone number.
We'’ve never searched
an international phone number
before.
- 403.
Come on, baby!
- Fingers crossed.
both: Oh!
- We got a hit.
- It says it'’s cell phone.
From Calgary, Alberta.
- That'’s it.
- Let'’s look up her email.
All right, "purry kitteh"...
- Come on! We'’re almost there.
Here we go.
both: We got a match!
- We got a hit!
- Oh, my God.
- We got a hit!
- Harriet [bleep].
both: In England!
- Picture and everything!
- Wait, but this girl'’s hot!
- Yeah.
- Look, it'’s from ask.fm.
- Who is this chick?
- Go to the ask.fm profile.
- "About Harriet [bleep].
Cat lady.
"I sold my soul to Lady Gaga
"and now my feels
are all over the place.
"If you don'’t like Lady Gaga,
I probably hate you.
"Meow meow bitch.
England."
- Wait, do you think this person
really could be in England?
- I don'’t know.
So far it looks like it.
- It'’s looking international.
Canada, England.
- Right.
- So search for
"Harriet [bleep]" on Facebook.
Come on, baby.
- Oh! We got a hit.
- We got a hit.
- Oh, my God.
- Harriet [bleep].
Gloucester. Boom!
- Whoa!
- We got it!
- From Calgary, Alberta.
But now lives in England.
- Hello.
- She'’s cute.
- She'’s pretty.
- She'’s really pretty.
Let'’s scroll down her page
a little bit.
Here she is with friends.
- She'’s a total babe.
- Oh! Oh!
- What?
- "When Katy Perry
notices your art."
- Katy Perry liked it.
- That'’s crazy.
So she'’s a Katy Perry fan,
obviously.
- But look, it says that it was
posted from United Kingdom.
- Oh, yeah, so this girl'’s
definitely in England.
Oh, there'’s more
Katy Perry stuff.
- Yeah, lot of Katy Perry stuff.
She'’s posting about Lady Gaga.
- Mm-hmm.
I mean,
this page feels pretty real.
- It does feel real.
- Someone said,
"Hey, you, had a great time
hanging out
"with you over the weekend.
Let me know
when you'’re free next."
This was a couple days ago.
- Okay, so she knows this girl.
- I guess so.
All right, so let'’s reach out.
"Hey, Amy, we'’re making
an episode of '’Catfish'’
and we need your help.
Please get back to me as soon
as you can." All right.
- Boom.
She'’s in England, she'’s real.
She likes Katy Perry.
- It'’s her. It'’s gotta be her.
- It'’s her.
- All right, so look,
we gotta talk to Spencer now
because this episode
just took a serious turn.
- An international turn.
[phone line trilling]
- Spencer, we are on our way
over to your house.
Are you ready for us?
- Have you told him yet
about all this?
- All right, man.
Bye.
- All right, let'’s do it.
What'’s up, fellas?
- What'’s up, guys?
- Nev, Max.
- Hey, Sam.
- Nice to meet you.
- Pleasure to meet you.
- Let'’s go inside.
Okay.
- There we go.
- So do you know
who we are at all?
- I'’ve seen your movie before.
- Oh, really? You saw the doc?
- Yeah.
- Oh, okay.
So you know about my experience
getting catfished.
So since I had that experience,
we'’ve been on the road
helping people
who find themselves
in situations like I did.
- Wow.
- Sometimes it works out.
Most of the time it doesn'’t.
- Okay.
- Spencer, why don'’t you...
- Um, okay, I'’ve been talking
to this woman...
- Okay.
- For the last six years.
I'’m in love with her.
- Wow.
- Uh, she'’s awesome.
Um...
it'’s Katy Perry.
The singer.
- Wow.
- You and Katy were very close.
- Yeah. Lots of "I love you'’s."
- For years, it was, like,
constant back and forth.
The email, text app, whatever.
- No Skype calls.
- Yep.
- No phone calls.
- Nope.
- Well, one phone call.
- Yes, really one.
- It goes even further,
but I don'’t know how far
you want to...
- What, the ring?
- Yeah.
- You got a ring?
- Yes, I'’ve made her a ring.
It'’s our great grandmother'’s
emerald.
Took a diamond ring, like, band
to it, and made a ring.
It'’s an engagement ring.
- That'’s intense.
- Why don'’t you show
your brother the ring?
- Sure.
- Great Grammy'’s ring.
- What do you think?
- It'’s an incredible story.
It'’s too incredible
to be...true.
- Does he have a history
of incredible stories?
- No.
- He'’s never done anything
kinda like this before?
- No, not that I can
come up with,
which is kinda what makes it
extra incredible.
'’Cause I would put him
as the kind of person
who doesn'’t get up
and ever do anything incredible.
- All right, let'’s see it.
- Okay. Check it out.
- Wow.
That'’s really nice.
Um...I'’m really glad
that you'’ve had someone
that you'’ve been talking to
and someone that obviously
means a lot.
That'’s really awesome to hear.
- There'’s definitely love there.
- I'’m sure you know I'’m here
for you, no matter what.
- Oh, I don'’t have any doubts.
- All right.
- Okay.
- I promise not to tell our mom.
Good luck.
- All right, why don'’t
we move into the kitchen?
We'’ll sit down and talk.
- Yeah.
- How you feelin'’
about telling your brother?
- Good--I think he took it well.
As best as he could, I guess.
- On a scale of 1 to 10, where'’s
your confidence level right now?
- It'’s at 1,000.
- [chuckles]
All right,
so we did some research.
We took the email that you sent.
We ran the phone number.
And all that it came back with
is that it'’s registered
to Calgary, Alberta.
- Yep, I did that.
- Right, you had done that.
- I had looked.
- Right.
- So the next thing we did was
we searched her email.
Purry kitty.
And this was our first big hit.
- "Harriet [bleep]."
- Right any bells?
- No.
- You never heard that name
before?
- Not once.
- It says one profile match
on ask.fm.
- Okay.
- It doesn'’t have, like,
any information except
a little tiny "about."
- "I sold my soul to Lady Gaga
"and now my feels
are all over the place.
"If you don'’t like Lady Gaga,
I probably hate you.
"Meow meow bitch.
England."
Mmmm...doesn'’t sound like her.
- No?
She doesn'’t say,
"Meow meow bitch"?
- No, and is not the biggest
Lady Gaga fan.
- Really? Like actively disliked
Lady Gaga?
- Um...
You want me to announce that?
Is that okay to say?
Yeah.
Yeah, like, the night
that I-I fell in love with Katy,
like, a lot of the conversation
was dissing on Lady Gaga.
So yeah, I'’m feeling like this
is not the person
that I'’ve been talking to.
- Okay.
But there'’s a weird connection.
The email that you'’ve been using
to correspond with Katy--
- Is connected to this person.
- Right.
So then we searched Facebook.
And one thing came back.
- There'’s that name again,
right?
- There'’s that name again.
- All right.
- Well, so we went
to her profile.
Lives in England, Gloucester.
But she did live in Calgary,
which is the first, like,
connection to a real beat
from your experience with Katy.
- Okay, that'’s weird.
- Well, as we scrolled down
her page,
we saw that she had made some
art Katy Perry had favorited.
So we know she likes Katy Perry.
When we scrolled down her
timeline a little bit further,
we saw people leaving comments.
- So we reached out to Amy.
- She hasn'’t written back.
- But the point is,
we feel pretty confident
that you'’re actually talking
to this girl Harriet
who lives in the UK.
She'’s actually pretty cute.
- Yeah, she'’s fine.
But the writing doesn'’t seem
similar to me.
- How do you mean?
- Just how she'’s talking.
Like, hello,
how I'’m having a conversation
with someone like that.
- Oh, doesn'’t match the way
that you and Katy talk?
- Right.
- I think you probably need
some time to process this stuff.
- Right.
- Seem pretty, like...
- Mad?
- Well, I mean, a minute ago,
you were 1,000% sure.
- I mean, it looks like
that'’s the person, you know?
- We agree.
We'’ve got one viable option
right now.
We could definitely go to
England and reach out to her,
but that'’s your call.
- ♪ All good things in life
for free ♪
- I mean, that'’s extremely
embarrassing for me.
You'’ve had six years to tell me
who you are.
- ♪ This is what they are
for me ♪
- So you'’re ruining,
like, my life right now.
For what?
'’Cause you'’re an insecure girl?
It'’s hateful.
[choir singing indistinctly]
- I'’m so confused at the moment.
- If you want to say,
"You know what?
I don'’t want to go,"
then you can say that too.
- It'’s just I want her
to apologize to me to my face.
So...let'’s go to England.
Let'’s meet Harriet.
Let'’s go meet her.
- Great.
- We'’ll pick you up tomorrow.
- All right,
so we'’re gonna go to England.
- All right.
- Thanks, guys.
- All right, man, take it easy.
- Thank you.
- ♪ It goes without saying
♪ Sometimes
- Okay, I think
we'’re recording here.
Um, had a little bit
more time to think.
Yesterday was hard,
it was tough for sure.
Knew it was gonna be tough.
I'’ve gone back and listened
to some of her songs
in the last album.
All of '’em have little bits
of lyrics that are clues to me.
It was, uh, it was up to me
to figure it out.
But I figured it out.
I'’m fully 100% confident
it'’s Katy.
She'’s smart.
I think that she has planted
this Harriet seed
from way back in 2010.
And we are all bearing witness
to it coming to fruition.
It'’s Katy.
I know it'’s Katy.
- All right.
- Here is is,
just on the porch waiting.
- What'’s up, guys?
- You ready for your trip
to England?
- Let'’s do it.
- Well, did you talk
to your bro at all?
- Yeah, I might have
mentioned to him
I'’m thinking
I'’m meeting Katy Perry possibly.
- Wait, what?
- Come on.
- I haven'’t ruled that out
as a possibility.
- Dude, you'’re not talking
to Katy Perry.
- I did Google Katy last night.
- And what'’d you find?
- That maybe
her current situation,
there might be some
rocky waters, so...
- With her boyfriend?
- Mr. Bloom.
- So you'’re thinking there might
be, like, kind of a...
- An opening?
- An opening.
- Maybe.
I'’m still believing.
- Weirder [bleep] has happened.
- Really?
- I mean, just in general.
- [laughs]
- There starts the long road
to England.
- ♪ And from a small town,
our hard-working folks ♪
♪ Were all born rich
and we all died broke ♪
- Wonder if we can get some
catfish and chips.
- Going to England together!
- ♪ And we all know
that the sun will shine ♪
♪ I must go and chase
this dream of mine ♪
- Good night.
- ♪ And I know
I can do you proud ♪
♪ When I'’m high above
those clouds ♪
♪
- "Catfish" has made it
to the UK.
Eight hours later.
- There they are!
- Yay!
Sun'’s out.
- We all know
that the sun will shine ♪
- England is beautiful so far.
- How you doin'’?
- Look, there'’s Big Ben.
- Oh, my God.
- ♪ When I'’m high
above those clouds ♪
- There'’s Richard
the Lionhearted.
There'’s a great statue.
And there'’s a statue
of a man named Nev.
And here I am in front
of Buckingham Palace
where the queen of England
sits atop her throne.
- All right, gentlemen.
See you tomorrow.
- Yep, tomorrow.
- [in a British accent]
Hello!
Let'’s go down the hallway
and fetch out lad.
- It'’s not good.
[both laughing]
- Hello?
- '’ello, gov!
- Top of the morning!
- '’ello, govna!
- Morning.
Come in, boys.
- Gentlemen, let'’s do a little
Facebook message check.
Oh, yeah.
- Have you got one?
- Amy wrote back.
"Of course.
I'’ll do anything I can to help.
Call me."
I'’m gonna see
if I can FaceTime her.
[FaceTime line trilling]
Oh, it'’s connecting.
Hi!
- Oh, hi!
- Amy, right?
- Yeah, yeah.
- Hey, it'’s Nev and Max.
- Is this even real?
- It'’s real.
We'’re doing an episode
right now
and we were wondering you could
tell us a little bit more
about your friend Harriet.
- Um, she'’s actually
my ex-girlfriend.
- Ex-girlfriend? What?
- Yeah.
- Is she a lesbian? Is she bi?
- She'’s 100% gay, yeah.
- Okay, that'’s pretty certain.
- How long were you guys dating?
- Only for a couple months.
Month or two.
- Okay, so not that long.
We'’re here in London, obviously.
Where do you live?
- Gloucester.
- And she lives out there too,
right?
- Yeah.
- Our plan was to drive out
there today
and hopefully meet up with her.
We'’re gonna be staying
at the Hotel Convent.
- Yeah, I know where that is.
- Okay, cool.
So if you could let her know
that we spoke,
that we'’d love to meet up
with her.
She can reach us on this number.
That'’d be great.
- Okay.
- Thank you.
- All right, bye.
- Bye.
- Whoa!
- Okay.
- That'’s a pretty big--
- She kissed a girl
and she liked it!
- Apparently.
- Was very helpful.
- They were dating.
- To me, that'’s, like,
huge evidence
like it'’s not this person.
- That'’s more evidence
that it'’s Katy Perry.
- It is still on the table
for me.
- At this point,
we don'’t have any other choice
other than drive out there,
hopefully meet this girl.
If she'’s not
who you'’ve been talking to,
she'’s gotta have some idea of
who you have been talking to.
All right. He'’s ready.
- To Gloucester.
- A "glosster" is someone who
applies lip gloss constantly.
- Well, we should bring
some cherry Chap Stick.
- Nev, you gotta
get in here now.
Have you ever driven in England
before?
- Uh...
it'’s so weird getting in
over here.
Here we go.
- Guys, this is dangerous.
- It'’s fine, Max.
I got this.
- Ah!
- Oh, my God.
[laughter]
- ♪ Take a [...] day
and make it all right ♪
♪ Yeah, all right
[all groaning]
- What happened?
Ugh, you really destroyed it.
- ♪ This bad taste,
these headaches ♪
♪ Wake up on the floor again
- Well done. Well done.
- ♪ Baby, you'’re the highlight
of my lowlife ♪
- Wow, look at this place!
This is so awesome.
- Harriet has to know we'’re here
because we spoke to Amy.
- Well, '’cause--yeah.
Amy must have told her.
Amy seemed very willing to give
up all the info.
- Yeah.
- That'’s what happens
when you break up with somebody.
- I'’m just worried
if we don'’t meet Harriet,
then he'’s gonna keep somehow
believing he'’s talking to Katy--
- But here'’s the thing--
[phone sighing]
What the hell?
Is your phone--is that--
what is that?
- I don'’t know.
- Is that how phones ring here?
- It'’s the receptionist.
Hello?
She'’s here?
Uh, okay. Okay.
Tell her I'’ll be down shortly.
Thank you.
What?
- Whoa.
Wait, she'’s here?
How did she--
- We told Amy
we were staying here.
- This is like "Seven" where
Kevin Spacey just shows up
at the police station...
- "What'’s in the box?"
[dramatic music]
♪
Yo.
- Hey, guys.
- She'’s here.
- [bleep], I'’m ready.
- You wanna come down with us?
- Need deodorant or something?
- No, I put it on.
You wanna smell?
- No, you'’re good, you'’re good.
Come on, let'’s go down.
- To the garden?
Okay, thanks.
Oh, I see someone [indistinct].
Hello.
Harriet, I presume.
- Yeah.
- Nev, how are you?
- Hi, I'’m Max.
- Hi, I'’m Harriet.
- Nice to meet you.
- Hi, I'’m Harriet.
- This is Spencer.
- Spencer.
- Yeah, Amy told me you guys
were here, so...
- So you'’ve been talking to
Spencer for the last six years.
- I have.
- You don'’t know Katy Perry.
- No.
[laughs]
- Anything to say to me?
- No...
I'’m sorry, I guess.
- It'’s not the kind of thing
you guess you'’re sorry about.
- No, yeah.
- Seems like an understatement.
- Yeah. [laughs]
- Forgive me,
but is there anything about
this situation
that you find humorous?
- No. I don'’t think
it'’s, like, funny.
- He said that you had to be
Katy because you knew
so much about her life
and all these details...
- Well, I was, like, a really
big fan of hers,
so it was kinda stuff I knew
from being a fan.
- I was checking everything.
- Well, yeah, I kinda just...
was kinda really obsessive
there.
- Googling Katy,
where'’s she'’s at,
what she'’s doing,
what she likes...
- Well, it was kind of me
though.
- Six years, like, this
is the first time us meeting?
I feel like...
more excitement, maybe, more...
- You would feel it?
- Or she would towards me.
Where did we meet again?
- On the app.
- Oh.
- Yeah.
- Who else could it be?
- I mean, really, Katy.
- Where we meet again?
- On the app. Yeah.
- Oh.
- Dude, it'’s her.
- No, I don'’t think it is, man.
- Who else could it be?
- I mean, really, Katy.
- You can'’t possibly think
it'’s still Katy Perry.
- I do.
- Okay, so...do you wanna...
- Well.
- Can you just pop his bubble
for a second
and tell him that he has not
been talking to Katy Perry?
- Is there something you can
tell him that might...
ring true?
- Your middle name'’s Ray.
You dressed up as that hot sauce
for Halloween.
- What'’s the name of our kids
that we talked about?
- It was Lica, Luca,
something else.
Started with an L, probably.
- It'’s not her.
- What do you mean?
- It'’s not her.
- Why, did she get
the name wrong?
- No, she got
the first two names right.
- Oh, it was Boss.
[all talking at once]
- You'’re not getting punked
right now.
- It was Boss. It was--
- This is it.
- I think that Katy would get
a kick out of me
getting punked a little bit.
This might be a little bit
part of that.
- So Katy Perry and Harriet
conspired to bring you here.
- I mean, she got some details
that were pretty important.
- But she doesn'’t care!
- They weren'’t important--
- Right, '’cause she didn'’t
care that much.
Which is maybe harder
to--to accept.
- We found the person
you'’ve been talking to
beyond really
any shred of doubt.
And you still want to believe
the thing that makes you
happier.
But you need to know that you'’re
not talking to Katy Perry.
And you need to start thinking
about other people'’s feelings.
The fact that this is
the actual human being,
as weird and crazy
as he might be, has a heart
and was giving it to you 100%
for six years of his life.
Both of you, there'’s some self
reflection that needs to happen.
So why don'’t we get out of here.
Potentially meet with you
tomorrow.
That'’s very doable, right?
- Yep.
[dramatic music]
Scale of 1 to 10,
how confident are you
that you'’re talking
to Katy Perry?
- Gonna go with a 9.
- Well, at least it'’s down
from a 10.
This is it, man.
This is it.
Definitely the girl
you'’ve been talking to.
I promise you.
- I guess her personality
just doesn'’t match at all
the person--maybe she'’s just
playing tough, like...
"I don'’t care about crushing
this dude'’s heart."
I mean, I don'’t know.
- Not saying this
to sound harsh.
I'’m saying this so--
'’cause this is the reality
of the situation.
There'’s no Katy Perry at the end
of this rainbow.
There'’s not even a girl
who'’s in love with you.
Think you really need to spend
some time accepting that.
Take some time to start closing
this door
and getting ready to open
another one.
[knock at door]
- Morning.
- Come on in.
- How you feeling?
- Feel good.
- On a scale of 1 to 10,
how confident are you
that you'’re talking
to Katy Perry?
- Like a 1, I guess, probably.
- Okay, that'’s progress.
- Yeah.
Um, soaking everything in.
I was gullible, for sure.
And I guess maybe
I fed myself into that.
- All right, so you get it.
- Yeah.
Live and learn, you know.
- Sure.
Is there anything you want
to, like, hear from her today
that would make your process of
dealing with this better?
- Maybe a little more awareness
of what I'’ve gone through.
I don'’t know if there was
emotion going on.
I couldn'’t see it.
- I think that'’s fair.
- We thought it would be good if
we went and talked to her first.
- Yeah.
- And then maybe give you guys
a chance to sit down together.
See if it goes
a little differently
than it did yesterday.
- Okay.
- ♪ There'’s people you love
that you don'’t want to love ♪
- Look how great this is.
Looks like a painting.
- ♪ Everybody'’s running ♪
- Pastoral.
- They don'’t know
where they'’re going ♪
- "Ye olde lodge."
- Is anything new?
- [laughing]
Look at this place.
It'’s gorgeous.
- Good morrow.
- Hey, how are you?
- Is that what you say here?
- No.
- That'’s not a thing?
- That'’s not a thing.
- How are you feeling today?
- Better than yesterday.
A lot less, like, nervous.
I think there was a lot, like,
left unsaid.
- Yeah, that'’s kinda
what we thought.
Part of what was so difficult
for Spencer to kind of
wrap his mind around was that
the personality of Katy
was so warm and playful
and affectionate and cute,
and then he met you yesterday,
and he'’s like,
"This can'’t be the girl
I'’ve been talking to.
This girl doesn'’t seem to have
any of those qualities."
- Yeah, I want to, like,
explain to him, like...
obviously, when I started
the profile, I was pretty young.
I wanted to be more like her.
Her confidence
that I didn'’t have,
and her kind of...um...
her, like, just kind of
fun personality
that I guess
I still might not have.
So yesterday,
I didn'’t really know what to do.
Were you shocked
that this guy believed
that you were Katy Perry?
- Yeah.
He was, like, the only one.
For someone to believe
that I was Katy Perry,
like, I wanted him in my life
'’cause he is so accepting
of that.
- So if he could accept you
saying that you were Katy Perry,
then he would accept anything
about you.
- Yeah.
Obviously, I wasn'’t able
to say that to him.
And it made me feel really,
like, guilty
that I made him, like,
go to such an extent.
- I can see
that you'’re a warmer person
than you appeared
to be yesterday.
- You need to kind of step up
today with him
and be mature about it
and, you know, be accountable.
Be responsible.
- Yeah.
I'’d like to do that.
- Come on.
- All right, let'’s do this.
What'’s up, pal?
- Hello, Harriet.
- Hi.
- How are we feeling today?
- Feeling better, thanks.
How '’bout you?
- Uh, better, yeah.
- Is it cool if we give you
a minute to talk without us?
- Come on, Harriet.
- We'’ll see you guys
in a little bit.
- Okay, thanks, guys.
- I'’m really sorry
about, like, yesterday.
I felt like I couldn'’t,
like, say
lots of stuff that I wanted to.
- Well, I mean,
here'’s your chance.
I mean, the reason
I'’m here is for you.
- Yeah, yeah.
- I get that it'’s, you know,
fun for a little while,
but for six years, I mean,
that'’s...
it had to be exhausting for you
'’cause it was exhausting for me
just to try to keep up
with what you were telling me.
- It, like, just all started
'’cause I lived, like,
in the middle of nowhere,
like, away from my school
and away from, like,
any, like, friends'’ houses.
I didn'’t really have anybody,
and then, like, I don'’t know,
I thought it would be kinda easy
to talk to someone online.
I was just scared of putting
myself out there.
Obviously, Katy,
like, I chose her
'’cause she was someone
I aspired to be like.
I didn'’t feel confident
or bubbly or fun.
For me, it was enjoyable
to feel, like, pretty like that.
But there'’s also
that kind of realization
that I'’ve lost myself in that,
like, being someone else.
And like, I just got to a point
where I couldn'’t imagine,
like, not talking to you.
Like, I looked forward
to it so much.
Just talking to you--I'’ve been
through some, like, tough times
throughout the time we'’ve been
talking, the past six years.
Like, my dad died
a few years ago.
[sniffles]
- I'’m sorry.
I know that'’s tough.
- Being able to talk to you
throughout that
was just, like, reassuring
and like...
knowing that I'’ve hurt you...
acknowledging that is hard
for me.
And I guess I haven'’t really
thought about that before,
like, that this, what I'’m doing,
could actually hurt someone.
I'’m, like, genuinely sorry.
Can'’t really change what I did,
but I understand
it was really wrong, so.
- I came into this situation
with an open heart,
so that'’s something
I have to learn.
Just to protect that myself.
- Yeah, to know you were,
like, valued, I guess,
would be like my thing.
- You told me many, many times,
but it'’s nice for you to tell me
again face to face for sure.
I know that there was a lot
of love that was there.
And maybe doesn'’t seem
like that now,
but, you know, there was
definitely a strong connection
going on for a long time.
- I did care about you,
and I do care about you.
It'’s like, obviously,
I'’m not straight.
It'’s kinda weird.
- Yeah, the whole thing'’s weird.
- Yeah, it is.
- I mean, absolutely.
[both laughing]
- But then, like, I don'’t know
where that leaves you, like...
- I'’ll be okay.
I'’ll be fine.
The bad'’s in the past.
- Yeah.
- What'’s ahead will be good.
[Skype line trilling]
both: Hey, Spencer!
- There he is!
- Great, man.
- Spencer, on a scale
of 1 to 10, how sure are you
that you were talking
to Katy Perry.
- He'’s cured.
- Have you had any communication
with Harriet?
- Wow. Nothing.
- Oh, so you'’ve tried
and she hasn'’t responded.
- Yeah, that is weird.
- All right, buddy.
We'’re gonna call Harriet
right now
and see why she isn'’t
responding.
- Later, man.
- Harriet!
Good!
How are you feeling
after everything that went down?
- So you got some emails
from Spencer?
- What were they?
- Wait, wait, wait, wait.
So Spencer sent an email
to your Katy Perry email address
telling Katy Perry that he came
to England and met you.
- Gotta call Spencer back.
- Bye, Harriet.
- Bye.
- All right, call Spencer.
Spencer, we just spoke
to Harriet.
- She told us
you sent some emails
describing your trip to England,
meeting Harriet
as if Harriet wasn'’t the girl
you were sending the emails to.
[both laughing]
- So you just wanted
to be 200% sure
that Katy wasn'’t really
behind all this.
- But now are you sure?
- All right, well, look, man.
We just want to make sure
that there'’s no more doubt,
that you really do get it.
- There is no Katy Perry
in this whole scenario.
- Well, that'’s good to hear.
- Spencer, man, you are one
of our favorite people
we'’ve ever had on the show.
- Be good!And...
- Party on.
- Party on.
- All right, later, dude.
- "I'’ve been married
for over seven years.
- Whoa.
- Whoa.
- If I have to go meet this
guy, play by his rules, I will.
If you guys want
to come outside, that works.
- Here they come.
- No. [bleep]
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