Catfish: The TV Show (2012–…): Season 4, Episode 13 - Tiana & James - full transcript
A young woman moves across the country to be with her Internet love, but he is being elusive.
>> Well, that looks like
a shop, right?
There's someone in there.
>> Wow.
>> Let's do it.
>> Oh, my God, just don't be
scared.
>> Got some power tools.
[tool whirs]
>> Just...
>> What the [bleep]?
>> Can we talk about something?
We've officially filmed
50 episodes of Catfish.
>> Whoa.
That's half a century of
Catfish.
>> all: Whoa.
>> That's a big deal.
>> Oh, my God, he can walk.
Damage has been done.
>> Happy 50th birthday.
>> "It is what it is!"
[laughter]
[scattered cheers]
>> Ow, ow, ow!
>> Did you wish for 50 more?
>> I didn't.
I usually just sort of think
the whole thing is silly,
so I'm like, "All right,
health and happiness for
everybody."
>> So that's why all your
friends are doing better than
you.
>> [laughs]
Okay, here we go.
Let's check the email.
>> both: Oh!
>> "My first love."
"Dear Nev and Max,
My name is Tiana.
I'm 21 years old, and I live
in Charlotte, North Carolina.
I've been dating a guy named
James.
We met on MySpace about
three years ago."
>> Time-out.
>> I know.
>> MySpace was defunct three
years ago.
>> It's still a thing, Max.
"James is 24 years old and
lives in Statesville,
North Carolina, where he works
as a mechanic."
Wait, so she lives in Charlotte,
and he lives in Statesville.
>> Thanks, Captain Obvious.
They're both in North Carolina.
>> [chuckles]
"In the beginning, everything
seemed perfect.
When we first exchanged numbers,
I was living in Washington
state.
So I wasn't really worried about
seeing him since we were so far
apart.
The thing that draws me to James
the most is his personality."
>> * If it took
* A thousand miles
* I'd walk them *
* To find your smile
>> "He always knows the right
thing to say, and he really
wants to know everything about
me.
The more he and I talked and
texted, the more we started
falling in love."
>> * And you made me sing
* Made me dance
>> "He is my first and only
love."
*
"But it's getting harder and
harder to love someone I've only
spoken to on the phone.
I've tried to video-chat with
James to no avail, and our lack
of funds was keeping us from
meeting.
About eight months ago, I shared
with James I had family in
Charlotte and told him I was
thinking about moving back.
James was very happy and told me
he thought that we could find
an apartment and talk about
marriage."
>> Wow.
>> "So a few months ago,
I moved to Charlotte.
I've been here five months now,
and we've yet to meet.
I've made dates for us, and he
never shows up.
He's hiding something from me.
I just don't know what.
I don't want to give up on the
only love I've ever known.
Tiana."
Shoo.
How far is Charlotte from
Statesville?
>> Do a Maps.
>> 45 minutes away.
>> Oh, man.
The rule that we have--
>> If you live in the same town
as someone--
>> And they won't meet you--
>> Then it's just because they
don't want to [bleep] meet you.
>> Right, they don't--
James does not want to meet you.
>> All right, let's give Tiana
a call here and hear a little
bit more about this story.
line ringing]
>> Hey!
>> Oh!
>> Hey.
>> How you doing?
>> I'm fine, I'm nervous.
>> 'Cause of James, or are you
nervous because you're on
camera?
>> I'm talking to you guys.
>> Do you watch the show?
>> Yeah, I just watched it
last night.
>> Oh, what'd you think?
>> It was funny when you--
I forgot who said that they were
being replaced.
I think it was Nev--Max?
Which one of you guys are
Nev and Max?
>> [laughs]
>> Are you serious?
>> Are you Nev?
And that's Max, right?
>> I'm Max.
>> Yeah, so I got it right.
I'm sorry.
>> Tiana.
>> I'm Nev, so you were wrong.
>> Oh, my God, that's so
embarrassing.
>> [laughs]
>> It's okay.
Don't worry about it.
So how is everything?
What's going on?
>> Um, it's not too good.
>> Eh...
>> It's about James, who I've
been dating for about three
years.
And we met on MySpace.
He asked me what's up,
what I'm doing.
And I had just had a baby.
Her name is Journi, and she's
three years old.
>> And is she with you in
Charlotte?
>> Yes.
Her father is not in her life
at all.
So I'm basically raising her
alone.
>> So walk us through the way
it started with this guy James.
>> Just had a baby.
I was on MySpace.
We exchanged numbers, and we
started talking.
Probably, like, a month in,
he sent me his first picture,
and I liked it.
After that, he asked me to be
with him.
>> And you haven't been dating
anybody else, right?
>> Correct.
I done put three years in this--
like, three years.
>> Over the last few years,
you've also asked him to, like,
video-chat.
>> I asked him to Skype me,
and he was like, he got
a raggedy camera.
I was, "Okay, whatever."
Like, I'm really, really getting
fed up.
>> You went as far to move to
the same state he's in, and he
still can't meet up with you.
>> Yeah, he was excited.
We talked about a future,
maybe moving in together.
But when I got there, he just
keep making excuses on why he
can't see me, and I don't know
why.
>> What is it about this guy
that makes you stay with him
after everything that you've
been through now?
>> He's good to talk to, and he
can handle me.
Like, when I'm mad, he talks me
through it, 'cause I have
a very bad attitude.
He talk me through and get me
out of the little petty stage
that I'm in, which a lot of
people can't.
>> Has James expressed interest
in, like, being a dad to
Journi?
>> Oh, he don't know I have
a daughter.
He told me he didn't like kids.
>> So you've been keeping
a really big secret from him.
>> I'm scared to tell him
because he don't like kids.
>> How could you want to be with
a guy that doesn't like or want
kids?
>> By the time we caught
feelings, I was in too deep.
He already loves me, so of
course I would think he would
love my daughter once we meet
in person.
So that's why I need you guys'
help.
>> I mean, you've moved across
the entire country for this guy.
You've put three years into
this.
I don't know what his secret is,
but when you tell him your
secret, I mean, this should be
interesting.
>> Yeah, I'm definitely ready.
>> All right, we're coming
to Charlotte.
>> Okay, that's great, Nev, Max.
>> both: Bye, Tiana.
>> See you soon.
>> Bye.
>> She genuinely doesn't know
who's who.
She has no idea.
>> I mean, the bubbles that say
our name on the show clearly...
>> Don't work.
[laughs]
>> This is gonna be a train
wreck, and I'm kind of just
interested to see what happens.
>> Let's just hang on for
the ride.
>> Let's go to Charlotte.
>> Camera one, camera two.
Camera one, camera two.
>> That's definitely in the
shot.
>> * Slipping away
**
* We were just both slipping
* Slipping away
>> Very helpful co-host, Max.
You up now?
I have to say, North Carolina
is very lovely.
It's a shame that we're here
under such circumstances.
All right.
>> Let's go.
>> Hello!
>> Hey!
>> Hey!
Oh, yeah.
What's up?
How you doing?
What's with the side hug?
>> Yeah, what's up with
the side hug?
>> What's with the side hug?
Here, let's try it. Ready?
Hey!
>> [laughs]
>> Come on, let's get inside.
It's hot out here.
>> Where's the little--
little one?
>> Yeah, where's the tot?
>> Oh, she's with my best
friend, Aisha.
>> Does your family help you
take care of her?
>> Yeah, my mom.
My dad's not in my life right
now.
>> Are you close with your mom?
>> Well, I mean, we're close.
You know, when I was little,
I had to stay with my grandma
in North Carolina.
>> What was going on?
>> I actually don't know why,
but me and my sister got split
up.
So I got to go with my grandma.
She had to go to foster care.
>> Wow.
That sucks.
>> Yeah, it did, so--
>> Yeah, that's a crazy
childhood.
And then how'd you end up in
Washington?
>> My mom.
I moved back with her when I was
14.
>> So you grew up in
North Carolina?
>> Yeah.
>> Got it.
>> So you've got this three-year
love affair with this guy
James...
>> Mm.
>> Who's giving you the
runaround.
>> Yeah, when I came here, I was
like, "Can we meet up tonight?
I'm free."
He was like, "Well, I'm at
work."
So I waited till the next
weekend.
I made reservations at
The Melting Pot.
I was like, "Are you gonna
come?"
He was like, "Yeah, I'll be
there."
I got all dressed up, and he
didn't come.
So I make another plan to come
to him.
I had a friend bring me--Aisha.
>> You went together?
>> Yes.
>> And you drove, like, an hour.
>> Well, it took, like,
45 minutes to get to the
Shell gas station.
He said he'd meet us there,
take us to the house.
We kept calling and calling.
He didn't pick up.
>> But you love this guy?
>> Mm-hmm.
>> Why?
>> His personality mostly.
And as I said, he can handle me.
I have lost a good amount of
friends 'cause of my attitude.
He knows how to calm me down.
>> He's the Tiana Whisperer.
>> And he's real sweet and
romantic.
>> Yeah?
>> He's more emotional than
I am.
He shares more.
Like, a voice mail he left me
was really sweet.
>> Can we hear it?
>> Sure.
>> Yeah, let's hear this guy.
>> He's a little hard, but he's
sensitive underneath it.
>> Yeah.
>> What does he look like?
>> I mean, at first, I was all--
It was this cartoon character
as a picture.
>> His profile picture was
an animated, like, cartoon
drawing?
>> Yeah, I'm like, "Who is
this?"
So I'm like, "Well, can
I at least get a picture?"
So he sends a selfie-type
picture.
>> So can we see some pictures
of him?
>> Yeah, do you have any
pictures on your phone?
>> Yeah.
>> Okay, so here's James.
>> All right.
>> Wait. Is that him?
>> Yeah.
>> That looks like a picture
from a photo shoot.
You know what I mean?
>> That'd be good if he was
famous.
>> Well, maybe that guy is
famous.
It may not be the guy you're
talking to, though.
That's what I'm worried about.
>> Oh, God.
>> So, look, listening to you
talk about everything that's
gone on in your life, you've
had a lot of things happen.
Your path has changed.
You had to move, and, like,
things haven't been very stable
for any long period of time.
>> Mm-hmm.
I just hope he's who he say
he is.
Like, when we first said we love
you, that's taking, like,
a piece from my heart, so he has
that piece of a heart from me
that I can't just get back that
easy.
'Cause it's been three years--
that's so long if he not who he
is.
It would be great if he is.
And I just hope that he will be
okay with my daughter, accepting
my daughter.
>> Well, yeah, because you're in
a weird position.
Yeah, 'cause if it does turn out
to be James and there's a chance
this could work out, then you've
got a big problem...
>> Yeah.
>> Which is that you've been
lying to him.
>> Yeah, but maybe I can change
that.
>> We'll see what we can dig up
on James, and we'll report back
to you.
>> Hopefully it can be a love
story at the end.
>> Well, we'll find out.
Okay.
>> All right, Max.
No, yeah.
Max?
Aren't you Max?
>> I'm not telling you.
>> Bye.
>> both: Bye.
>> We've got our work cut out
for us.
What is this James guy up to?
Why can't he be available?
>> What is he getting out of
this?
>> Whatever this guy's hiding,
it's gonna be big.
>> Look at this, Max.
Conveniently located coffee shop
with free Wi-Fi.
Get some coffee and pastries.
>> Yeah.
Is that banana nut?
Does that have nuts in it?
>> It does.
>> Ah.
>> Did you just really ask if it
has nuts in it?
>> Yeah.
Do you have a banana non-nut?
>> I have a banana.
>> Mm, not the same.
>> [laughs]
>> All right, what we're dealing
with here is, like, a classic
catfish.
Tiana gets a MySpace message,
like, three years ago from some
rando dude, James, from
North Carolina, where she's
previously lived.
They start talking.
>> She doesn't mention that
she's got a kid.
>> That's right.
>> He's like, "I don't like
kids."
>> I almost suspect that maybe
he has a kid.
>> He might have a kid.
>> Right.
>> She moves from Washington
state to North Carolina to be
close to him.
She's now been in North Carolina
for five months.
Now every time they talk about
meeting up, he's got an excuse.
>> She's not willing to let go
and move on because this is
her first love.
>> Let's open the box.
>> Let's crack this wide open.
All right, here we go, Tiana--
>> "Hey, guys,
here's what I know about James.
He's a mechanic."
>> Oh, there's six photos.
>> Let's run the photos.
>> You ready to do a little
image search?
Here we go, first one.
What do we got?
Come on.
Oh, we got a hit.
>> Lots of hits.
>> It's a YouTube channel.
Tipsytwist.
>> Tipsytwist.
Fayetteville--
that's in North Carolina.
>> Here we go.
We got some person here who's
uploaded a bunch of videos
using that photograph Tiana's
been getting.
"Klassified, aka Tipsytwist,
freestyle."
>> Okay, so Tipsytwist is
a recording artist.
>> * I'm back *
* Tipsy's back *
* I'm back *
* I would never leave the game
* Need to be back
>> Okay, so Klassified is also
Tipsytwist.
>> But let's just go back and
look through more of these
videos and see if there's any
actual--
Here we go, look.
>> Yeah, yeah, yeah.
>> Bam.
>> I'm gonna [bleep]
video-message in a minute, man.
Just keep y'all updated on
some [bleep].
>> Well, time-out.
First of all, this guy's got
a YouTube account.
Second of all, he clearly has
a computer with a web cam.
>> Yeah, true.
>> We can show her the video of
him talking on YouTube, and
she'll know right away if that's
his voice or not.
>> Well, it looks like we
found this guy.
>> Well, we found the guy
from the pictures.
>> Right.
If James were a well-known
recording artist...
>> He would have said that.
>> He would have told her that.
>> Unless he didn't want her to
know because he's married or
something.
What if this is the one episode
where the rapper is pretending
to be the mechanic instead of
the mechanic pretending to be
a rapper?
>> Wow.
>> What's this guy's real name?
That's what we need to find out.
>> All right, let's see if he's
on Facebook.
There it is, yeah.
Gregory Johnson...
>> Whoa!
>> Aka Klassified Tipsytwist.
>> So we got his name.
>> The same guy in the pictures
that Tiana's been getting from
James, except there's a lot more
pictures.
All right, well, this is not
good news for Tiana.
All right, so that's
interesting.
Let's come back to that.
Let's look up James Sloan on
Facebook.
He says he doesn't have
a Facebook.
"James Sloan," maybe "NC" just
to narrow it down a little bit.
>> Oh, James Sloan, Charlotte.
There are a bunch of
James Sloans in North Carolina.
Look, a cartoon thumbnail
avatar.
>> With a Donald Duck,
like, Grumpy Donald Duck.
>> She said that on MySpace, he
had a cartoon thumbnail.
>> Yes, you're right.
>> We found a James Sloan with
a cartoon thumbnail.
Look, there's a car.
He's into cars.
He's a mechanic.
He's a self-employed mechanic.
>> Oh, my God.
>> Is that him?
Whoa.
Wait a minute.
>> Is that him?
>> Is that him?
>> That's his profile --
>> And older.
>> That's his profile picture.
>> Whoa.
That's something big to hide.
He's a mechanic.
He has a cartoon thumbnail.
Oh, man, and he's been talking
to this 21-year-old girl.
Finally, we found the
50-year-old, like, pervert guy.
That guy is, like, the picture
of who you fear you're talking
to when you're talking to
a stranger on the Internet and
you think they're someone.
>> Yeah, the really sad thing to
think about is that if that's
what he's hiding, then it makes
a lot of sense...
>> That's a pretty big deal.
>> That he wouldn't want to meet
up with her and that he would
make excuses to avoid.
I mean, like, there's, "I'm not
the guy in the pictures,"
and then there's like, "I'm not
the guy, the race, the age,
even close to or anything like
that guy in the pictures."
I mean, if this turns out to be
our guy, we're dealing with
a serious disaster.
>> You ready?
You ready to get a workout?
>> Hey.
[laughs]
>> Hi.
>> Hi.
>> I'm Max.
>> I'm Aisha.
I'm friends with Tiana.
>> Hey, Aisha.
>> You're Max, and you're Nev.
Okay.
>> Hey, Max.
>> Hi, Max!
>> She knows my name.
What up?
Thank you.
>> Hi, Max.
>> both: Oh!
>> [laughs]
>> You guys stay there,
and we'll be back.
>> That was fun.
Your daughters are really cute.
>> Thank you.
>> Are they good friends?
>> both: Yeah.
>> So how do you guys know each
other?
>> We met through Facebook.
We've been friends four years
and change.
>> Yeah.
>> Are you in a relationship?
>> Yeah, you can say that.
>> Is this the guy that is the
dad of the kids?
>> Yeah, I have four kids,
so he helps me out with all of
my kids.
>> And what do you think about
James?
>> Mm, it shouldn't take all
this for them to see each other.
There's been times where, you
know, we've been out and she
would call him and tell him, you
know, "Meet us here."
He would never show up.
>> You guys were on that trip
together, you drove together.
>> Yeah, that's the one with all
her gas money.
>> Yeah, it was my car.
Somebody owe me some gas money,
'cause he just kind of stood us
up.
It's like, he ain't answering
the phone.
He never showed up.
Me, personally, I don't think
I would have, you know, let it
go this far.
>> Three years.
>> Yeah.
I'm sorry.
>> You know, you always got that
one friend that's like, "Why are
you doing it?"
And you know how my attitude
is--I really don't care what
nobody say.
>> Yeah.
>> I'm still gonna talk to him.
>> I mean, that's what's up.
Do you, boo.
>> Have you told her that James
doesn't like kids?
>> He don't?
>> Yeah, I told you he didn't
know I had a daughter.
>> I know that he don't know
about Journi, but he don't even
like kids?
That's gonna be awkward.
[laughter]
>> Well, so, look...
you know probably as well as
anybody what Tiana's been going
through with this guy.
What I'd like to do is sort of
go over everything that we
found.
So first thing we did was
a search for these six pictures,
and it came back with a hit on
a YouTube video.
So we went to that video.
We found that little picture.
And the username is Tipsytwist.
>> Do you know Tipsytwist?
Does that say anything to you?
>> No, I never heard of that
name.
>> This guy's, like, a legit
hip-hop artist.
James never talked about making
music, right?
>> No.
Have you tried looking that name
up on Facebook?
>> So that was the next thing we
did.
>> Wow.
>> We found this page.
>> That's him.
That's the guy from the pictures
you got.
>> Wow.
>> This is a music page,
like, you know, for
a band/musician.
And when we click on his profile
pictures, there's a bunch of
photos.
>> Wow.
>> We did a search for
Tipsytwist.
And so there's a video of this
guy.
We thought if we play this video
for you, maybe you'll be able to
tell if it's the same voice that
you've been talking to on
the phone for the last three
years.
>> Okay.
>> Keep y'all updated on some
of the [bleep] that's going on
and [bleep].
You know what I'm saying?
'Cause the label's been down
for, like, about a month or two.
>> Does it sound like him?
>> Life takes you on...
>> It doesn't sound like him.
>> No?
>> His voice is way deeper than
that.
>> There was more research to
do, so we kept looking.
So then we thought, "Okay, let's
just look him up on Facebook."
I mean, I know you said he
didn't have a Facebook page.
>> Mm-hmm.
>> But there is a James Sloan
from North Carolina that showed
up.
We saw this guy had a cartoon
character for his picture.
>> Mm-hmm, the same with
MySpace.
>> That was the same one?
>> No, it's not the same one,
but--
>> What was the cartoon?
>> It was Daffy Duck.
>> It was a duck?
>> Like a--
>> It was a duck?
>> Yeah.
>> The coincidence that it's
a duck...
>> Yeah, it was a happy duck.
>> It's not shocking you
the way it's shocking me.
>> So is that a duck?
Looks like a bird.
>> Dude, that's a duck.
>> That's a duck.
>> We looked at this page,
and we went to the "About,"
and it says, "Works at
self-employed mechanic."
>> Wow.
>> Oh, wow.
That's crazy.
>> Is that the only picture
he have?
>> Well, here, wait, hold on.
As we scroll through his profile
pictures...
>> Is that him?
>> I don't know.
>> This is crazy.
>> This is ridiculous.
I'm really pissed off.
Like, you think I'm older?
You know I'm 21, so, like, no.
>> Look, basically we don't know
anything yet for sure.
But of all the things we've
found, this guy's profile sort
of fits the description.
>> Who have I been talking to?
Who am I in love with?
>> I think it's safe to say
the guy in the pictures is not
the guy you're talking to.
>> * My ghost
* Where'd you go? *
>> Don't start crying now.
You been talking to this man
for three years.
You should already know him.
>> * Like the sad eyes
* Bad guys
* Mouth full of white lies
* Kiss me in the corridor
* But quick to tell me
* Good-bye
>> I think this is crazy.
>> Well, I want to call this
guy and see if I can convince
him to meet up with us.
>> I want to find out, you know,
who it is.
>> * What happened to the soul
* That you...
>> I want to call this guy and
see if I can convince him to
meet up with us.
>> Okay, well, that sounds like
a plan.
>> All right.
[line ringing]
Yes, hi, is this James?
Hey, man, my name is Nev.
I don't know if you've ever
heard of a show on MTV called
Catfish, but I'm that guy from
the show.
Yeah, so I got your number from
Tiana, who I understand you've
been talking to for a little
while.
And she called us because she
wanted to finally meet up with
you after all these years and
was hopeful that we could help
make that happen.
Okay, well, I don't need a lot
of time right now.
I'm just calling because we
found out that the guy in
the pictures you're sending
is actually some guy named
Gregory, who's, like, a
recording artist.
So I just want you to know that
Tiana still wants to meet you.
We were trying to hopefully meet
up with you tomorrow.
So is there a chance that that
could happen?
You've told her that a few times
before in the past, and then you
haven't showed up, and I don't
want to--
I don't want to put her
through that again.
Well, if you do--Yeah, if you do
care for her, the right thing to
do is to meet up with her.
All right, see ya.
All right.
Here's what's up.
James says he's gonna meet you.
Now, I don't necessarily know if
that's true or not, but maybe
now that we're here, we can make
this happen.
>> Okay.
>> How many times has he said
he'll meet up with you before
and then not done it?
>> Then never show up.
>> Yeah.
>> I think, Aisha, you are as
close and involved as anybody
else.
You know more than any other
friends, your sister, anybody.
So it feels to me, you should
come along with us.
>> I want to.
>> Yeah.
>> I would love to come, 'cause
I want to see who he is.
>> I'll text him today.
I'll get him to commit to
something for tomorrow.
>> Sounds like a plan.
>> He's not getting away this
time.
All right.
Hello.
>> Oh, hey.
>> Hi, I'm Max.
>> Hi. Hi, Max.
I know who you are.
>> Okay.
>> Okay.
>> Camera.
>> That camera.
>> Did you guys bring Christina
up to speed with everything that
we found out yesterday?
>> Yeah.
>> She was so confused 'cause
I was just upset.
>> What were you feeling mostly?
>> Like my life, my time wasted.
Like, it's time to get real
answers, 'cause it's been long
enough.
>> So let's text this guy and
let him know we're ready to go.
>> Okay.
>> Okay, "It's Nev and Max.
We're here with Tiana and are
ready to meet you now.
Thanks."
>> To the point.
>> Yeah.
>> Mm-hmm.
>> Short and sweet.
>> Yeah.
[cell phone chimes]
>> Oh.
>> Ah, what'd you get?
What'd you get?
>> Oh.
It says, "I'm at the shop by
myself today.
You guys can stop by."
And then an address.
That's pretty close to here.
>> Really?
>> That's, like, ten minutes
from here.
>> Are you serious?
>> So this whole time he's been
ten minutes away?
>> That really upsets me.
That's wrong, like--
>> I don't want to wait too long
and have him change his mind.
>> Bye, ma.
I'll be right back, okay?
>> Okay.
>> * Take me to your water
* And lay me on your shore
>> I don't honestly have any
idea what we're going into
right now.
I mean, it could be
Tipsytwist...
or the much older guy.
At this point, it really could
be anybody.
*
This is it.
>> We're here?
>> Well, this is the street.
>> Ooh!
>> So, yeah, it's gonna be right
around here.
>> Ooh. Ooh, ooh, ooh.
>> Really?
>> Yeah.
>> Have you been here before?
>> It feels so familiar.
>> Why does this feel familiar?
>> Well, that looks like a shop,
right?
>> Oh, my God.
>> What?
>> This is Ricky G's shop!
Ricky G raps, and he's my baby
daddy's cousin.
He works here.
>> In this shop?
>> In this shop, yes.
I know it looks familiar 'cause
I remember bringing my kid's dad
here.
>> There's someone in there.
I can see someone.
>> The garage is, like, half
open.
>> Yeah, there's definitely
someone in there.
You don't know this guy,
Ricky G?
>> No, I don't know Ricky.
>> You know, in the mornings,
he does a song for the radio
in the morning.
>> So it would make sense that
Ricky G knows...
>> A rapper.
>> Yeah, Tipsytwist or whatever.
>> It would make sense, yeah,
'cause he raps.
>> Wow.
>> Wow.
All right, well, let's do it,
then.
>> It's crazy that you say
you've been here.
>> Oh, my God, just don't be
scared.
>> Hear him in there.
>> Got some power tools.
[tool whirs]
>> It's crazy that you say
you've been here.
>> Oh, my God, just don't be
scared.
>> Oh, my God.
>> What's up?
>> Hey, man.
>> What the [bleep]?
Are you serious?
>> What--
>> Trez, really?
You've been behind this
the whole [bleep] time?
>> Why y'all bring her?
>> Wait.
Who is Trez?
>> That's my baby daddy!
What you mean, "Who is they?"
How the [bleep] you do this to
me?
>> Oh, that's low.
>> Trez!
>> No, are y'all in on this?
>> What you mean?
In on what?
You really think I'm fittin' to
set you up like that?
What the [bleep]?
You already know I don't even do
[bleep] like this.
>> Clearly this not something
that you guys were in on
together, so let's not let this
get between you guys.
>> No, it's gonna be between us,
'cause who's Trez?
>> Well, you don't know this
guy, but apparently they had
a kid together.
>> So you have a child.
>> Yeah.
>> Wow.
>> Man, I'm through with this
[bleep].
I don't want nothing else to do
with this.
I'm ready to go.
I [bleep] ready to go.
The whole [bleep] time he been
doing this [bleep] to her.
>> I had no idea that that was
what was happening here.
Hold on a second.
>> Like, I really don't
believe that.
>> So obviously this is awkward,
turning into a much bigger
situation than we could have
anticipated.
>> So that's Aisha's--
I'm gonna go talk to Aisha.
>> Yeah, let's figure this out.
>> The whole [bleep] time.
The whole [bleep] time.
You sat there, and you lied to
her, and then when it come to me
getting into a relationship with
somebody, you come and you run
him away because you don't want
me to be with nobody else but
you!
>> Hey, hold on, hold on.
>> No, wait, you owe me
an explanation!
What the [bleep]?
>> Don't--Let's not make this--
>> You have called all my
ex-boyfriends.
>> This wasn't supposed to be
like this.
>> You had this lie going for
three [bleep] years?
>> It wasn't even supposed to be
like that.
>> What you mean it wasn't
supposed to be like that, Trez?
>> It's crazy, but I'm the one
who's going through this,
and y'all are arguing.
>> You done ran off all my
ex-boyfriends.
You don't want me to be with
nobody but you.
Man, I'm so over this.
I can't believe you did this to
me.
>> It wasn't like that.
>> It wasn't like what?
Take me home!
>> Hold on a second.
>> Take me home!
>> This is obviously some drama
between them that we didn't know
was going on.
>> That I shouldn't be put in.
>> Step in the car with me for
a second.
>> Oh, my goodness, I cannot
believe this [bleep] is
happening right now.
The whole [bleep] time!
>> Why have you been talking to
her with this other guy's
picture for the last three years
and avoiding her all this time?
>> I met her through her,
and I didn't want it to be
like this.
I didn't want it to be messy.
I didn't want it to be no messy
situation.
>> Well--
>> That's my kid's dad!
>> Which kid?
>> My son, my eight--
my seven-year-old son.
I can't keep no boyfriend,
'cause every time I get into
a relationship, here he come
running them away.
He don't want me to be with
nobody else but him.
But every time I turn around,
it's a new [bleep] bitch in
the picture!
>> So you met because of Aisha,
and you liked her?
>> Yeah.
>> But you couldn't really
pursue her because of your
previous relationship.
>> Yeah.
>> I don't even know who he is.
I never seen him.
>> Yeah, we met at a party about
three years ago, October.
And so we had--
It was a little Halloween party.
>> Do you remember being here
for Halloween a couple years
ago?
>> That was right before I moved
to Washington.
>> We wasn't even really
properly introduced, but
I thought--I kind of thought we
liked each other.
>> So you were into her?
>> It wasn't even supposed to be
like this.
I was gonna--I was just,
really just trying to holler,
and I'm sorry.
>> That's bull--that's really
bull[bleep].
>> I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
>> Wow. Who does--
>> It wasn't supposed to go
this long.
>> It wasn't supposed to go this
long, but it went this long.
>> I was gonna come right out
and tell you who I was off
the bat.
>> And then it hurt me 'cause
that's my friend TT.
You know how many times this
girl done told me she done fell
in love with the person she's
texting on the phone?
And come find out it's my baby
daddy?
Now she looking at me like I got
something to do with it.
Like, come on, now.
>> You know, we brought Aisha
because they're good friends.
>> Yeah.
>> And Aisha's sort of been
there for her this whole time.
>> [bleep] messy, man.
>> How is it messy?
>> I understand the whole reason
you wanted to sort of use this
fake name was to avoid this
mess, but--
>> Exactly.
It happened anyway.
>> I mean, eventually you know
she was gonna find out.
>> I don't want to talk to him.
>> I know.
I was gonna tell her.
I was gonna tell her.
It wasn't never supposed to go
this far, especially when they
started getting close.
You know, [bleep] just--
I had--
Seemed like I had to keep on
stretching the lie out.
>> He takes care of my
other kids that's not his,
but the fact that...
>> I don't want to talk to him.
>> It's not just no boy--
This is not just no boyfriend
that I've been with for a year
and a half.
I have been dealing with this
man for almost eight or nine--
like, eight or nine years.
>> Here I am, hiding my
daughter.
He's saying he got multiple
kids.
Like, what kind of bull[bleep]
is this?
>> TT, I feel like I owe you
an apology, but at the same
time, I knew nothing of this.
>> I'm in love with who?
>> My baby daddy.
You're in love with my son's
dad.
>> How strong are your feelings
for her?
I mean, are they really--
>> They're strong.
I wouldn't have even did this
if they weren't strong,
you know what I mean?
>> Do you still have feelings
for Aisha?
>> Yeah, I love her.
She my baby mama.
I'm not in love with her.
>> Do you think you're in love
with Tiana?
>> I got strong feelings for
her, yeah.
I don't want to hurt her.
>> So why didn't you just meet
up with Tiana?
>> I don't know.
Dumbass mistake.
I should have.
>> Hang tight and let me go
check in with them.
>> I feel like I just got hit
in my [bleep] face.
>> That's some bull[bleep].
>> Oh, wow.
>> Ooh.
>> Does he have feelings for
Tiana?
>> It's not just feelings.
We're supposed to be in love.
>> Yeah, he definitely has
feelings for you.
>> Y'all keep saying "feelings."
We're supposed to be in love.
>> * Promise to
* When it slow my ocean
>> He knows he screwed up bad.
>> [sniffles]
>> And, uh, you know, wishes
that it hadn't played out like
this, but...
>> This is not a good time to
talk.
Like, I don't want to talk right
now.
I don't even want to be bothered
right now.
I don't want to talk.
>> * Just drag me down
* And I'll go easy *
* Into your lovely hands
>> This episode of
Catfish: The TV Show continues
now.
>> I can see that you're still
pretty upset about all this.
>> [sniffles]
>> That's all right.
You shouldn't--
It's nothing you did.
>> [sniffles]
>> Did you and Aisha talk about
anything after we left?
>> Mm-mm.
>> I can't imagine what that
feels like, to have someone
that's so involved in your life
and your friend's life do this
for so long.
>> It's a slap in the face.
>> Do you want to sit down and
talk with Trez?
>> I mean, I'm interested in
seeing what he got to say.
Why did you do this?
>> Okay, so then I think we
should go and do that.
>> Okay.
>> * They say
* A lot of things
*
* If our love is like an ocean
* If our love is like the sea
>> Oh, this is it here.
>> * Then we're drowning *
>> There he is.
Hey, man.
We're all right.
How are you?
>> Hello.
>> All right.
>> Yesterday was a mess,
but Tiana wanted to at least
sit down and just get a chance
to hear what you have to say.
>> Well, yesterday I couldn't--
I couldn't really speak my mind.
Like you said, it was
too much going on.
It was awkward for me,
you know what I mean?
>> But the reason you didn't
tell her who you were in
the first place was because
of Aisha.
>> Mm-hmm, exactly.
I couldn't really tell her how
I felt 'cause I didn't want to
hurt my baby mama's feelings
or whatever, but I love you,
and--
>> That's bullcrap.
[scoffs]
>> I felt like we had a bond,
and it was a one-on-one bond,
you know?
>> You say you love her.
What do you love about her?
>> [sighs]
Her--her personality.
I mean, she plays mean,
but she's really sweet.
She's sarcastic as hell.
She pretty.
I mean, that's not all
the things, but, you know...
>> Did you know that she had
a kid?
>> No.
>> She told us that the one
thing that James told her about
kids was that James didn't want
kids, didn't care for kids.
>> She might have been a little
bit too hard on James.
It's not like I don't care
about kids.
>> That's a lie.
>> No, it was--
>> That's a lie.
>> Well, either way, I can
understand why you said that,
'cause you probably don't want
to have more kids.
>> Oh, yeah, I mean, that's
true.
>> Or do you? I mean--
>> No, no.
>> Aisha told us there was
around eight kids--from Aisha.
>> Well, eight biologically and
non-biologically, yeah.
We co-parent.
>> Right, but is it fair to say
that you have maintained
a connection with Aisha?
>> Maybe wanted to try to
maintain some kind of level of
friendship, you know, outside of
being a parent with her.
I feel like now we can really be
in a relationship...
if that's what you want.
I'll go--go through it with you.
Maybe it'll be a little easier
for you.
>> I think we should just let
them talk.
[door closes]
>> I'm sorry I lied to you.
>> You've been lying this whole
damn time.
>> I ain't lying about my
feelings, though.
I still feel the same way.
>> Of course, I'm myself.
You don't look like the person.
What are you gonna do about
these problems that we got?
Really?
>> You're still laughing.
I told you I was the same
person.
>> You still a clown, like...
>> 'Cause, I mean, you telling
me the problems, and you want me
to change them.
>> Like, you still funny.
That's the only thing that kept
me in this damn relationship,
is your humor.
The other people I've been with
couldn't handle my attitude.
You can.
So that's the only thing that
really is okay right now,
but it's gonna be hard to be
with you and you're my best
friend's baby father.
>> * If you ever need someone
* To cry to
* I will be there
>> The thing that is truthful
right now is when I'm mad,
he can take me out that
madness and make me laugh.
That's what makes this feel
real.
>> So you're gonna see what
happens?
>> I mean, I can't let this go.
It's real.
>> So you got some work to do
to earn this girl's trust,
which I think is fair.
>> That is fair.
I did lie.
>> And I lied too, but I'm
saying you still have that
touch.
>> [laughs]
>> That's a good start.
Take it one day at a time.
>> * I'll be there *
>> Bye.
*
>> * Standing beside you
*
* I'll be there *
*
[line ringing]
>> Hey, Tiana, how are you?
>> Hey.
>> You know, when we left you
guys, it sort of felt like you
and Trez sort of might have
a thing going.
>> Why did your thoughts change?
What happened?
That's really sad.
How's your friendship with
Aisha?
Are you guys still talking?
>> Well, I'm sorry to hear that.
>> Yeah.
>> You guys seemed like you were
good friends.
>> Wow.
All right, well, hopefully we'll
see you next time we're in town.
Bye, Tiana.
>> Hey, Nev.
>> Hey!
>> How are you?
>> Okay.
We heard that things with you
and Tiana didn't end up so good.
>> Um, no, it didn't.
In the back of her mind, she
wants to believe that I knew the
whole time that it was my kid's
dad, but I can't change how she
feels about anything.
>> And what's going on now with
you and Trez?
>> I basically call his phone
and give the phone to my son,
really.
I needed a reason to just be
okay with the fact that I don't
want nothing else to do with
him.
If anything, y'all just opened
another door for me.
>> All right, well, good.
I hope everything works out with
your new life.
Hopefully we'll see you soon
sometime.
>> Bye, you too.
>> Bye.
>> A cyberbully just assumed
her identity.
>> This girl was starting rumors
about you and bullying other
people as you, terrorizing your
life.
>> Yes, just destroying
my reputation.
>> Who?
>> Who was it?
>> Moment of truth.
>> If she tries to fight me,
are you guys gonna hold her
back?
Are you kidding me?
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00:41:04.
a shop, right?
There's someone in there.
>> Wow.
>> Let's do it.
>> Oh, my God, just don't be
scared.
>> Got some power tools.
[tool whirs]
>> Just...
>> What the [bleep]?
>> Can we talk about something?
We've officially filmed
50 episodes of Catfish.
>> Whoa.
That's half a century of
Catfish.
>> all: Whoa.
>> That's a big deal.
>> Oh, my God, he can walk.
Damage has been done.
>> Happy 50th birthday.
>> "It is what it is!"
[laughter]
[scattered cheers]
>> Ow, ow, ow!
>> Did you wish for 50 more?
>> I didn't.
I usually just sort of think
the whole thing is silly,
so I'm like, "All right,
health and happiness for
everybody."
>> So that's why all your
friends are doing better than
you.
>> [laughs]
Okay, here we go.
Let's check the email.
>> both: Oh!
>> "My first love."
"Dear Nev and Max,
My name is Tiana.
I'm 21 years old, and I live
in Charlotte, North Carolina.
I've been dating a guy named
James.
We met on MySpace about
three years ago."
>> Time-out.
>> I know.
>> MySpace was defunct three
years ago.
>> It's still a thing, Max.
"James is 24 years old and
lives in Statesville,
North Carolina, where he works
as a mechanic."
Wait, so she lives in Charlotte,
and he lives in Statesville.
>> Thanks, Captain Obvious.
They're both in North Carolina.
>> [chuckles]
"In the beginning, everything
seemed perfect.
When we first exchanged numbers,
I was living in Washington
state.
So I wasn't really worried about
seeing him since we were so far
apart.
The thing that draws me to James
the most is his personality."
>> * If it took
* A thousand miles
* I'd walk them *
* To find your smile
>> "He always knows the right
thing to say, and he really
wants to know everything about
me.
The more he and I talked and
texted, the more we started
falling in love."
>> * And you made me sing
* Made me dance
>> "He is my first and only
love."
*
"But it's getting harder and
harder to love someone I've only
spoken to on the phone.
I've tried to video-chat with
James to no avail, and our lack
of funds was keeping us from
meeting.
About eight months ago, I shared
with James I had family in
Charlotte and told him I was
thinking about moving back.
James was very happy and told me
he thought that we could find
an apartment and talk about
marriage."
>> Wow.
>> "So a few months ago,
I moved to Charlotte.
I've been here five months now,
and we've yet to meet.
I've made dates for us, and he
never shows up.
He's hiding something from me.
I just don't know what.
I don't want to give up on the
only love I've ever known.
Tiana."
Shoo.
How far is Charlotte from
Statesville?
>> Do a Maps.
>> 45 minutes away.
>> Oh, man.
The rule that we have--
>> If you live in the same town
as someone--
>> And they won't meet you--
>> Then it's just because they
don't want to [bleep] meet you.
>> Right, they don't--
James does not want to meet you.
>> All right, let's give Tiana
a call here and hear a little
bit more about this story.
line ringing]
>> Hey!
>> Oh!
>> Hey.
>> How you doing?
>> I'm fine, I'm nervous.
>> 'Cause of James, or are you
nervous because you're on
camera?
>> I'm talking to you guys.
>> Do you watch the show?
>> Yeah, I just watched it
last night.
>> Oh, what'd you think?
>> It was funny when you--
I forgot who said that they were
being replaced.
I think it was Nev--Max?
Which one of you guys are
Nev and Max?
>> [laughs]
>> Are you serious?
>> Are you Nev?
And that's Max, right?
>> I'm Max.
>> Yeah, so I got it right.
I'm sorry.
>> Tiana.
>> I'm Nev, so you were wrong.
>> Oh, my God, that's so
embarrassing.
>> [laughs]
>> It's okay.
Don't worry about it.
So how is everything?
What's going on?
>> Um, it's not too good.
>> Eh...
>> It's about James, who I've
been dating for about three
years.
And we met on MySpace.
He asked me what's up,
what I'm doing.
And I had just had a baby.
Her name is Journi, and she's
three years old.
>> And is she with you in
Charlotte?
>> Yes.
Her father is not in her life
at all.
So I'm basically raising her
alone.
>> So walk us through the way
it started with this guy James.
>> Just had a baby.
I was on MySpace.
We exchanged numbers, and we
started talking.
Probably, like, a month in,
he sent me his first picture,
and I liked it.
After that, he asked me to be
with him.
>> And you haven't been dating
anybody else, right?
>> Correct.
I done put three years in this--
like, three years.
>> Over the last few years,
you've also asked him to, like,
video-chat.
>> I asked him to Skype me,
and he was like, he got
a raggedy camera.
I was, "Okay, whatever."
Like, I'm really, really getting
fed up.
>> You went as far to move to
the same state he's in, and he
still can't meet up with you.
>> Yeah, he was excited.
We talked about a future,
maybe moving in together.
But when I got there, he just
keep making excuses on why he
can't see me, and I don't know
why.
>> What is it about this guy
that makes you stay with him
after everything that you've
been through now?
>> He's good to talk to, and he
can handle me.
Like, when I'm mad, he talks me
through it, 'cause I have
a very bad attitude.
He talk me through and get me
out of the little petty stage
that I'm in, which a lot of
people can't.
>> Has James expressed interest
in, like, being a dad to
Journi?
>> Oh, he don't know I have
a daughter.
He told me he didn't like kids.
>> So you've been keeping
a really big secret from him.
>> I'm scared to tell him
because he don't like kids.
>> How could you want to be with
a guy that doesn't like or want
kids?
>> By the time we caught
feelings, I was in too deep.
He already loves me, so of
course I would think he would
love my daughter once we meet
in person.
So that's why I need you guys'
help.
>> I mean, you've moved across
the entire country for this guy.
You've put three years into
this.
I don't know what his secret is,
but when you tell him your
secret, I mean, this should be
interesting.
>> Yeah, I'm definitely ready.
>> All right, we're coming
to Charlotte.
>> Okay, that's great, Nev, Max.
>> both: Bye, Tiana.
>> See you soon.
>> Bye.
>> She genuinely doesn't know
who's who.
She has no idea.
>> I mean, the bubbles that say
our name on the show clearly...
>> Don't work.
[laughs]
>> This is gonna be a train
wreck, and I'm kind of just
interested to see what happens.
>> Let's just hang on for
the ride.
>> Let's go to Charlotte.
>> Camera one, camera two.
Camera one, camera two.
>> That's definitely in the
shot.
>> * Slipping away
**
* We were just both slipping
* Slipping away
>> Very helpful co-host, Max.
You up now?
I have to say, North Carolina
is very lovely.
It's a shame that we're here
under such circumstances.
All right.
>> Let's go.
>> Hello!
>> Hey!
>> Hey!
Oh, yeah.
What's up?
How you doing?
What's with the side hug?
>> Yeah, what's up with
the side hug?
>> What's with the side hug?
Here, let's try it. Ready?
Hey!
>> [laughs]
>> Come on, let's get inside.
It's hot out here.
>> Where's the little--
little one?
>> Yeah, where's the tot?
>> Oh, she's with my best
friend, Aisha.
>> Does your family help you
take care of her?
>> Yeah, my mom.
My dad's not in my life right
now.
>> Are you close with your mom?
>> Well, I mean, we're close.
You know, when I was little,
I had to stay with my grandma
in North Carolina.
>> What was going on?
>> I actually don't know why,
but me and my sister got split
up.
So I got to go with my grandma.
She had to go to foster care.
>> Wow.
That sucks.
>> Yeah, it did, so--
>> Yeah, that's a crazy
childhood.
And then how'd you end up in
Washington?
>> My mom.
I moved back with her when I was
14.
>> So you grew up in
North Carolina?
>> Yeah.
>> Got it.
>> So you've got this three-year
love affair with this guy
James...
>> Mm.
>> Who's giving you the
runaround.
>> Yeah, when I came here, I was
like, "Can we meet up tonight?
I'm free."
He was like, "Well, I'm at
work."
So I waited till the next
weekend.
I made reservations at
The Melting Pot.
I was like, "Are you gonna
come?"
He was like, "Yeah, I'll be
there."
I got all dressed up, and he
didn't come.
So I make another plan to come
to him.
I had a friend bring me--Aisha.
>> You went together?
>> Yes.
>> And you drove, like, an hour.
>> Well, it took, like,
45 minutes to get to the
Shell gas station.
He said he'd meet us there,
take us to the house.
We kept calling and calling.
He didn't pick up.
>> But you love this guy?
>> Mm-hmm.
>> Why?
>> His personality mostly.
And as I said, he can handle me.
I have lost a good amount of
friends 'cause of my attitude.
He knows how to calm me down.
>> He's the Tiana Whisperer.
>> And he's real sweet and
romantic.
>> Yeah?
>> He's more emotional than
I am.
He shares more.
Like, a voice mail he left me
was really sweet.
>> Can we hear it?
>> Sure.
>> Yeah, let's hear this guy.
>> He's a little hard, but he's
sensitive underneath it.
>> Yeah.
>> What does he look like?
>> I mean, at first, I was all--
It was this cartoon character
as a picture.
>> His profile picture was
an animated, like, cartoon
drawing?
>> Yeah, I'm like, "Who is
this?"
So I'm like, "Well, can
I at least get a picture?"
So he sends a selfie-type
picture.
>> So can we see some pictures
of him?
>> Yeah, do you have any
pictures on your phone?
>> Yeah.
>> Okay, so here's James.
>> All right.
>> Wait. Is that him?
>> Yeah.
>> That looks like a picture
from a photo shoot.
You know what I mean?
>> That'd be good if he was
famous.
>> Well, maybe that guy is
famous.
It may not be the guy you're
talking to, though.
That's what I'm worried about.
>> Oh, God.
>> So, look, listening to you
talk about everything that's
gone on in your life, you've
had a lot of things happen.
Your path has changed.
You had to move, and, like,
things haven't been very stable
for any long period of time.
>> Mm-hmm.
I just hope he's who he say
he is.
Like, when we first said we love
you, that's taking, like,
a piece from my heart, so he has
that piece of a heart from me
that I can't just get back that
easy.
'Cause it's been three years--
that's so long if he not who he
is.
It would be great if he is.
And I just hope that he will be
okay with my daughter, accepting
my daughter.
>> Well, yeah, because you're in
a weird position.
Yeah, 'cause if it does turn out
to be James and there's a chance
this could work out, then you've
got a big problem...
>> Yeah.
>> Which is that you've been
lying to him.
>> Yeah, but maybe I can change
that.
>> We'll see what we can dig up
on James, and we'll report back
to you.
>> Hopefully it can be a love
story at the end.
>> Well, we'll find out.
Okay.
>> All right, Max.
No, yeah.
Max?
Aren't you Max?
>> I'm not telling you.
>> Bye.
>> both: Bye.
>> We've got our work cut out
for us.
What is this James guy up to?
Why can't he be available?
>> What is he getting out of
this?
>> Whatever this guy's hiding,
it's gonna be big.
>> Look at this, Max.
Conveniently located coffee shop
with free Wi-Fi.
Get some coffee and pastries.
>> Yeah.
Is that banana nut?
Does that have nuts in it?
>> It does.
>> Ah.
>> Did you just really ask if it
has nuts in it?
>> Yeah.
Do you have a banana non-nut?
>> I have a banana.
>> Mm, not the same.
>> [laughs]
>> All right, what we're dealing
with here is, like, a classic
catfish.
Tiana gets a MySpace message,
like, three years ago from some
rando dude, James, from
North Carolina, where she's
previously lived.
They start talking.
>> She doesn't mention that
she's got a kid.
>> That's right.
>> He's like, "I don't like
kids."
>> I almost suspect that maybe
he has a kid.
>> He might have a kid.
>> Right.
>> She moves from Washington
state to North Carolina to be
close to him.
She's now been in North Carolina
for five months.
Now every time they talk about
meeting up, he's got an excuse.
>> She's not willing to let go
and move on because this is
her first love.
>> Let's open the box.
>> Let's crack this wide open.
All right, here we go, Tiana--
>> "Hey, guys,
here's what I know about James.
He's a mechanic."
>> Oh, there's six photos.
>> Let's run the photos.
>> You ready to do a little
image search?
Here we go, first one.
What do we got?
Come on.
Oh, we got a hit.
>> Lots of hits.
>> It's a YouTube channel.
Tipsytwist.
>> Tipsytwist.
Fayetteville--
that's in North Carolina.
>> Here we go.
We got some person here who's
uploaded a bunch of videos
using that photograph Tiana's
been getting.
"Klassified, aka Tipsytwist,
freestyle."
>> Okay, so Tipsytwist is
a recording artist.
>> * I'm back *
* Tipsy's back *
* I'm back *
* I would never leave the game
* Need to be back
>> Okay, so Klassified is also
Tipsytwist.
>> But let's just go back and
look through more of these
videos and see if there's any
actual--
Here we go, look.
>> Yeah, yeah, yeah.
>> Bam.
>> I'm gonna [bleep]
video-message in a minute, man.
Just keep y'all updated on
some [bleep].
>> Well, time-out.
First of all, this guy's got
a YouTube account.
Second of all, he clearly has
a computer with a web cam.
>> Yeah, true.
>> We can show her the video of
him talking on YouTube, and
she'll know right away if that's
his voice or not.
>> Well, it looks like we
found this guy.
>> Well, we found the guy
from the pictures.
>> Right.
If James were a well-known
recording artist...
>> He would have said that.
>> He would have told her that.
>> Unless he didn't want her to
know because he's married or
something.
What if this is the one episode
where the rapper is pretending
to be the mechanic instead of
the mechanic pretending to be
a rapper?
>> Wow.
>> What's this guy's real name?
That's what we need to find out.
>> All right, let's see if he's
on Facebook.
There it is, yeah.
Gregory Johnson...
>> Whoa!
>> Aka Klassified Tipsytwist.
>> So we got his name.
>> The same guy in the pictures
that Tiana's been getting from
James, except there's a lot more
pictures.
All right, well, this is not
good news for Tiana.
All right, so that's
interesting.
Let's come back to that.
Let's look up James Sloan on
Facebook.
He says he doesn't have
a Facebook.
"James Sloan," maybe "NC" just
to narrow it down a little bit.
>> Oh, James Sloan, Charlotte.
There are a bunch of
James Sloans in North Carolina.
Look, a cartoon thumbnail
avatar.
>> With a Donald Duck,
like, Grumpy Donald Duck.
>> She said that on MySpace, he
had a cartoon thumbnail.
>> Yes, you're right.
>> We found a James Sloan with
a cartoon thumbnail.
Look, there's a car.
He's into cars.
He's a mechanic.
He's a self-employed mechanic.
>> Oh, my God.
>> Is that him?
Whoa.
Wait a minute.
>> Is that him?
>> Is that him?
>> That's his profile --
>> And older.
>> That's his profile picture.
>> Whoa.
That's something big to hide.
He's a mechanic.
He has a cartoon thumbnail.
Oh, man, and he's been talking
to this 21-year-old girl.
Finally, we found the
50-year-old, like, pervert guy.
That guy is, like, the picture
of who you fear you're talking
to when you're talking to
a stranger on the Internet and
you think they're someone.
>> Yeah, the really sad thing to
think about is that if that's
what he's hiding, then it makes
a lot of sense...
>> That's a pretty big deal.
>> That he wouldn't want to meet
up with her and that he would
make excuses to avoid.
I mean, like, there's, "I'm not
the guy in the pictures,"
and then there's like, "I'm not
the guy, the race, the age,
even close to or anything like
that guy in the pictures."
I mean, if this turns out to be
our guy, we're dealing with
a serious disaster.
>> You ready?
You ready to get a workout?
>> Hey.
[laughs]
>> Hi.
>> Hi.
>> I'm Max.
>> I'm Aisha.
I'm friends with Tiana.
>> Hey, Aisha.
>> You're Max, and you're Nev.
Okay.
>> Hey, Max.
>> Hi, Max!
>> She knows my name.
What up?
Thank you.
>> Hi, Max.
>> both: Oh!
>> [laughs]
>> You guys stay there,
and we'll be back.
>> That was fun.
Your daughters are really cute.
>> Thank you.
>> Are they good friends?
>> both: Yeah.
>> So how do you guys know each
other?
>> We met through Facebook.
We've been friends four years
and change.
>> Yeah.
>> Are you in a relationship?
>> Yeah, you can say that.
>> Is this the guy that is the
dad of the kids?
>> Yeah, I have four kids,
so he helps me out with all of
my kids.
>> And what do you think about
James?
>> Mm, it shouldn't take all
this for them to see each other.
There's been times where, you
know, we've been out and she
would call him and tell him, you
know, "Meet us here."
He would never show up.
>> You guys were on that trip
together, you drove together.
>> Yeah, that's the one with all
her gas money.
>> Yeah, it was my car.
Somebody owe me some gas money,
'cause he just kind of stood us
up.
It's like, he ain't answering
the phone.
He never showed up.
Me, personally, I don't think
I would have, you know, let it
go this far.
>> Three years.
>> Yeah.
I'm sorry.
>> You know, you always got that
one friend that's like, "Why are
you doing it?"
And you know how my attitude
is--I really don't care what
nobody say.
>> Yeah.
>> I'm still gonna talk to him.
>> I mean, that's what's up.
Do you, boo.
>> Have you told her that James
doesn't like kids?
>> He don't?
>> Yeah, I told you he didn't
know I had a daughter.
>> I know that he don't know
about Journi, but he don't even
like kids?
That's gonna be awkward.
[laughter]
>> Well, so, look...
you know probably as well as
anybody what Tiana's been going
through with this guy.
What I'd like to do is sort of
go over everything that we
found.
So first thing we did was
a search for these six pictures,
and it came back with a hit on
a YouTube video.
So we went to that video.
We found that little picture.
And the username is Tipsytwist.
>> Do you know Tipsytwist?
Does that say anything to you?
>> No, I never heard of that
name.
>> This guy's, like, a legit
hip-hop artist.
James never talked about making
music, right?
>> No.
Have you tried looking that name
up on Facebook?
>> So that was the next thing we
did.
>> Wow.
>> We found this page.
>> That's him.
That's the guy from the pictures
you got.
>> Wow.
>> This is a music page,
like, you know, for
a band/musician.
And when we click on his profile
pictures, there's a bunch of
photos.
>> Wow.
>> We did a search for
Tipsytwist.
And so there's a video of this
guy.
We thought if we play this video
for you, maybe you'll be able to
tell if it's the same voice that
you've been talking to on
the phone for the last three
years.
>> Okay.
>> Keep y'all updated on some
of the [bleep] that's going on
and [bleep].
You know what I'm saying?
'Cause the label's been down
for, like, about a month or two.
>> Does it sound like him?
>> Life takes you on...
>> It doesn't sound like him.
>> No?
>> His voice is way deeper than
that.
>> There was more research to
do, so we kept looking.
So then we thought, "Okay, let's
just look him up on Facebook."
I mean, I know you said he
didn't have a Facebook page.
>> Mm-hmm.
>> But there is a James Sloan
from North Carolina that showed
up.
We saw this guy had a cartoon
character for his picture.
>> Mm-hmm, the same with
MySpace.
>> That was the same one?
>> No, it's not the same one,
but--
>> What was the cartoon?
>> It was Daffy Duck.
>> It was a duck?
>> Like a--
>> It was a duck?
>> Yeah.
>> The coincidence that it's
a duck...
>> Yeah, it was a happy duck.
>> It's not shocking you
the way it's shocking me.
>> So is that a duck?
Looks like a bird.
>> Dude, that's a duck.
>> That's a duck.
>> We looked at this page,
and we went to the "About,"
and it says, "Works at
self-employed mechanic."
>> Wow.
>> Oh, wow.
That's crazy.
>> Is that the only picture
he have?
>> Well, here, wait, hold on.
As we scroll through his profile
pictures...
>> Is that him?
>> I don't know.
>> This is crazy.
>> This is ridiculous.
I'm really pissed off.
Like, you think I'm older?
You know I'm 21, so, like, no.
>> Look, basically we don't know
anything yet for sure.
But of all the things we've
found, this guy's profile sort
of fits the description.
>> Who have I been talking to?
Who am I in love with?
>> I think it's safe to say
the guy in the pictures is not
the guy you're talking to.
>> * My ghost
* Where'd you go? *
>> Don't start crying now.
You been talking to this man
for three years.
You should already know him.
>> * Like the sad eyes
* Bad guys
* Mouth full of white lies
* Kiss me in the corridor
* But quick to tell me
* Good-bye
>> I think this is crazy.
>> Well, I want to call this
guy and see if I can convince
him to meet up with us.
>> I want to find out, you know,
who it is.
>> * What happened to the soul
* That you...
>> I want to call this guy and
see if I can convince him to
meet up with us.
>> Okay, well, that sounds like
a plan.
>> All right.
[line ringing]
Yes, hi, is this James?
Hey, man, my name is Nev.
I don't know if you've ever
heard of a show on MTV called
Catfish, but I'm that guy from
the show.
Yeah, so I got your number from
Tiana, who I understand you've
been talking to for a little
while.
And she called us because she
wanted to finally meet up with
you after all these years and
was hopeful that we could help
make that happen.
Okay, well, I don't need a lot
of time right now.
I'm just calling because we
found out that the guy in
the pictures you're sending
is actually some guy named
Gregory, who's, like, a
recording artist.
So I just want you to know that
Tiana still wants to meet you.
We were trying to hopefully meet
up with you tomorrow.
So is there a chance that that
could happen?
You've told her that a few times
before in the past, and then you
haven't showed up, and I don't
want to--
I don't want to put her
through that again.
Well, if you do--Yeah, if you do
care for her, the right thing to
do is to meet up with her.
All right, see ya.
All right.
Here's what's up.
James says he's gonna meet you.
Now, I don't necessarily know if
that's true or not, but maybe
now that we're here, we can make
this happen.
>> Okay.
>> How many times has he said
he'll meet up with you before
and then not done it?
>> Then never show up.
>> Yeah.
>> I think, Aisha, you are as
close and involved as anybody
else.
You know more than any other
friends, your sister, anybody.
So it feels to me, you should
come along with us.
>> I want to.
>> Yeah.
>> I would love to come, 'cause
I want to see who he is.
>> I'll text him today.
I'll get him to commit to
something for tomorrow.
>> Sounds like a plan.
>> He's not getting away this
time.
All right.
Hello.
>> Oh, hey.
>> Hi, I'm Max.
>> Hi. Hi, Max.
I know who you are.
>> Okay.
>> Okay.
>> Camera.
>> That camera.
>> Did you guys bring Christina
up to speed with everything that
we found out yesterday?
>> Yeah.
>> She was so confused 'cause
I was just upset.
>> What were you feeling mostly?
>> Like my life, my time wasted.
Like, it's time to get real
answers, 'cause it's been long
enough.
>> So let's text this guy and
let him know we're ready to go.
>> Okay.
>> Okay, "It's Nev and Max.
We're here with Tiana and are
ready to meet you now.
Thanks."
>> To the point.
>> Yeah.
>> Mm-hmm.
>> Short and sweet.
>> Yeah.
[cell phone chimes]
>> Oh.
>> Ah, what'd you get?
What'd you get?
>> Oh.
It says, "I'm at the shop by
myself today.
You guys can stop by."
And then an address.
That's pretty close to here.
>> Really?
>> That's, like, ten minutes
from here.
>> Are you serious?
>> So this whole time he's been
ten minutes away?
>> That really upsets me.
That's wrong, like--
>> I don't want to wait too long
and have him change his mind.
>> Bye, ma.
I'll be right back, okay?
>> Okay.
>> * Take me to your water
* And lay me on your shore
>> I don't honestly have any
idea what we're going into
right now.
I mean, it could be
Tipsytwist...
or the much older guy.
At this point, it really could
be anybody.
*
This is it.
>> We're here?
>> Well, this is the street.
>> Ooh!
>> So, yeah, it's gonna be right
around here.
>> Ooh. Ooh, ooh, ooh.
>> Really?
>> Yeah.
>> Have you been here before?
>> It feels so familiar.
>> Why does this feel familiar?
>> Well, that looks like a shop,
right?
>> Oh, my God.
>> What?
>> This is Ricky G's shop!
Ricky G raps, and he's my baby
daddy's cousin.
He works here.
>> In this shop?
>> In this shop, yes.
I know it looks familiar 'cause
I remember bringing my kid's dad
here.
>> There's someone in there.
I can see someone.
>> The garage is, like, half
open.
>> Yeah, there's definitely
someone in there.
You don't know this guy,
Ricky G?
>> No, I don't know Ricky.
>> You know, in the mornings,
he does a song for the radio
in the morning.
>> So it would make sense that
Ricky G knows...
>> A rapper.
>> Yeah, Tipsytwist or whatever.
>> It would make sense, yeah,
'cause he raps.
>> Wow.
>> Wow.
All right, well, let's do it,
then.
>> It's crazy that you say
you've been here.
>> Oh, my God, just don't be
scared.
>> Hear him in there.
>> Got some power tools.
[tool whirs]
>> It's crazy that you say
you've been here.
>> Oh, my God, just don't be
scared.
>> Oh, my God.
>> What's up?
>> Hey, man.
>> What the [bleep]?
Are you serious?
>> What--
>> Trez, really?
You've been behind this
the whole [bleep] time?
>> Why y'all bring her?
>> Wait.
Who is Trez?
>> That's my baby daddy!
What you mean, "Who is they?"
How the [bleep] you do this to
me?
>> Oh, that's low.
>> Trez!
>> No, are y'all in on this?
>> What you mean?
In on what?
You really think I'm fittin' to
set you up like that?
What the [bleep]?
You already know I don't even do
[bleep] like this.
>> Clearly this not something
that you guys were in on
together, so let's not let this
get between you guys.
>> No, it's gonna be between us,
'cause who's Trez?
>> Well, you don't know this
guy, but apparently they had
a kid together.
>> So you have a child.
>> Yeah.
>> Wow.
>> Man, I'm through with this
[bleep].
I don't want nothing else to do
with this.
I'm ready to go.
I [bleep] ready to go.
The whole [bleep] time he been
doing this [bleep] to her.
>> I had no idea that that was
what was happening here.
Hold on a second.
>> Like, I really don't
believe that.
>> So obviously this is awkward,
turning into a much bigger
situation than we could have
anticipated.
>> So that's Aisha's--
I'm gonna go talk to Aisha.
>> Yeah, let's figure this out.
>> The whole [bleep] time.
The whole [bleep] time.
You sat there, and you lied to
her, and then when it come to me
getting into a relationship with
somebody, you come and you run
him away because you don't want
me to be with nobody else but
you!
>> Hey, hold on, hold on.
>> No, wait, you owe me
an explanation!
What the [bleep]?
>> Don't--Let's not make this--
>> You have called all my
ex-boyfriends.
>> This wasn't supposed to be
like this.
>> You had this lie going for
three [bleep] years?
>> It wasn't even supposed to be
like that.
>> What you mean it wasn't
supposed to be like that, Trez?
>> It's crazy, but I'm the one
who's going through this,
and y'all are arguing.
>> You done ran off all my
ex-boyfriends.
You don't want me to be with
nobody but you.
Man, I'm so over this.
I can't believe you did this to
me.
>> It wasn't like that.
>> It wasn't like what?
Take me home!
>> Hold on a second.
>> Take me home!
>> This is obviously some drama
between them that we didn't know
was going on.
>> That I shouldn't be put in.
>> Step in the car with me for
a second.
>> Oh, my goodness, I cannot
believe this [bleep] is
happening right now.
The whole [bleep] time!
>> Why have you been talking to
her with this other guy's
picture for the last three years
and avoiding her all this time?
>> I met her through her,
and I didn't want it to be
like this.
I didn't want it to be messy.
I didn't want it to be no messy
situation.
>> Well--
>> That's my kid's dad!
>> Which kid?
>> My son, my eight--
my seven-year-old son.
I can't keep no boyfriend,
'cause every time I get into
a relationship, here he come
running them away.
He don't want me to be with
nobody else but him.
But every time I turn around,
it's a new [bleep] bitch in
the picture!
>> So you met because of Aisha,
and you liked her?
>> Yeah.
>> But you couldn't really
pursue her because of your
previous relationship.
>> Yeah.
>> I don't even know who he is.
I never seen him.
>> Yeah, we met at a party about
three years ago, October.
And so we had--
It was a little Halloween party.
>> Do you remember being here
for Halloween a couple years
ago?
>> That was right before I moved
to Washington.
>> We wasn't even really
properly introduced, but
I thought--I kind of thought we
liked each other.
>> So you were into her?
>> It wasn't even supposed to be
like this.
I was gonna--I was just,
really just trying to holler,
and I'm sorry.
>> That's bull--that's really
bull[bleep].
>> I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
>> Wow. Who does--
>> It wasn't supposed to go
this long.
>> It wasn't supposed to go this
long, but it went this long.
>> I was gonna come right out
and tell you who I was off
the bat.
>> And then it hurt me 'cause
that's my friend TT.
You know how many times this
girl done told me she done fell
in love with the person she's
texting on the phone?
And come find out it's my baby
daddy?
Now she looking at me like I got
something to do with it.
Like, come on, now.
>> You know, we brought Aisha
because they're good friends.
>> Yeah.
>> And Aisha's sort of been
there for her this whole time.
>> [bleep] messy, man.
>> How is it messy?
>> I understand the whole reason
you wanted to sort of use this
fake name was to avoid this
mess, but--
>> Exactly.
It happened anyway.
>> I mean, eventually you know
she was gonna find out.
>> I don't want to talk to him.
>> I know.
I was gonna tell her.
I was gonna tell her.
It wasn't never supposed to go
this far, especially when they
started getting close.
You know, [bleep] just--
I had--
Seemed like I had to keep on
stretching the lie out.
>> He takes care of my
other kids that's not his,
but the fact that...
>> I don't want to talk to him.
>> It's not just no boy--
This is not just no boyfriend
that I've been with for a year
and a half.
I have been dealing with this
man for almost eight or nine--
like, eight or nine years.
>> Here I am, hiding my
daughter.
He's saying he got multiple
kids.
Like, what kind of bull[bleep]
is this?
>> TT, I feel like I owe you
an apology, but at the same
time, I knew nothing of this.
>> I'm in love with who?
>> My baby daddy.
You're in love with my son's
dad.
>> How strong are your feelings
for her?
I mean, are they really--
>> They're strong.
I wouldn't have even did this
if they weren't strong,
you know what I mean?
>> Do you still have feelings
for Aisha?
>> Yeah, I love her.
She my baby mama.
I'm not in love with her.
>> Do you think you're in love
with Tiana?
>> I got strong feelings for
her, yeah.
I don't want to hurt her.
>> So why didn't you just meet
up with Tiana?
>> I don't know.
Dumbass mistake.
I should have.
>> Hang tight and let me go
check in with them.
>> I feel like I just got hit
in my [bleep] face.
>> That's some bull[bleep].
>> Oh, wow.
>> Ooh.
>> Does he have feelings for
Tiana?
>> It's not just feelings.
We're supposed to be in love.
>> Yeah, he definitely has
feelings for you.
>> Y'all keep saying "feelings."
We're supposed to be in love.
>> * Promise to
* When it slow my ocean
>> He knows he screwed up bad.
>> [sniffles]
>> And, uh, you know, wishes
that it hadn't played out like
this, but...
>> This is not a good time to
talk.
Like, I don't want to talk right
now.
I don't even want to be bothered
right now.
I don't want to talk.
>> * Just drag me down
* And I'll go easy *
* Into your lovely hands
>> This episode of
Catfish: The TV Show continues
now.
>> I can see that you're still
pretty upset about all this.
>> [sniffles]
>> That's all right.
You shouldn't--
It's nothing you did.
>> [sniffles]
>> Did you and Aisha talk about
anything after we left?
>> Mm-mm.
>> I can't imagine what that
feels like, to have someone
that's so involved in your life
and your friend's life do this
for so long.
>> It's a slap in the face.
>> Do you want to sit down and
talk with Trez?
>> I mean, I'm interested in
seeing what he got to say.
Why did you do this?
>> Okay, so then I think we
should go and do that.
>> Okay.
>> * They say
* A lot of things
*
* If our love is like an ocean
* If our love is like the sea
>> Oh, this is it here.
>> * Then we're drowning *
>> There he is.
Hey, man.
We're all right.
How are you?
>> Hello.
>> All right.
>> Yesterday was a mess,
but Tiana wanted to at least
sit down and just get a chance
to hear what you have to say.
>> Well, yesterday I couldn't--
I couldn't really speak my mind.
Like you said, it was
too much going on.
It was awkward for me,
you know what I mean?
>> But the reason you didn't
tell her who you were in
the first place was because
of Aisha.
>> Mm-hmm, exactly.
I couldn't really tell her how
I felt 'cause I didn't want to
hurt my baby mama's feelings
or whatever, but I love you,
and--
>> That's bullcrap.
[scoffs]
>> I felt like we had a bond,
and it was a one-on-one bond,
you know?
>> You say you love her.
What do you love about her?
>> [sighs]
Her--her personality.
I mean, she plays mean,
but she's really sweet.
She's sarcastic as hell.
She pretty.
I mean, that's not all
the things, but, you know...
>> Did you know that she had
a kid?
>> No.
>> She told us that the one
thing that James told her about
kids was that James didn't want
kids, didn't care for kids.
>> She might have been a little
bit too hard on James.
It's not like I don't care
about kids.
>> That's a lie.
>> No, it was--
>> That's a lie.
>> Well, either way, I can
understand why you said that,
'cause you probably don't want
to have more kids.
>> Oh, yeah, I mean, that's
true.
>> Or do you? I mean--
>> No, no.
>> Aisha told us there was
around eight kids--from Aisha.
>> Well, eight biologically and
non-biologically, yeah.
We co-parent.
>> Right, but is it fair to say
that you have maintained
a connection with Aisha?
>> Maybe wanted to try to
maintain some kind of level of
friendship, you know, outside of
being a parent with her.
I feel like now we can really be
in a relationship...
if that's what you want.
I'll go--go through it with you.
Maybe it'll be a little easier
for you.
>> I think we should just let
them talk.
[door closes]
>> I'm sorry I lied to you.
>> You've been lying this whole
damn time.
>> I ain't lying about my
feelings, though.
I still feel the same way.
>> Of course, I'm myself.
You don't look like the person.
What are you gonna do about
these problems that we got?
Really?
>> You're still laughing.
I told you I was the same
person.
>> You still a clown, like...
>> 'Cause, I mean, you telling
me the problems, and you want me
to change them.
>> Like, you still funny.
That's the only thing that kept
me in this damn relationship,
is your humor.
The other people I've been with
couldn't handle my attitude.
You can.
So that's the only thing that
really is okay right now,
but it's gonna be hard to be
with you and you're my best
friend's baby father.
>> * If you ever need someone
* To cry to
* I will be there
>> The thing that is truthful
right now is when I'm mad,
he can take me out that
madness and make me laugh.
That's what makes this feel
real.
>> So you're gonna see what
happens?
>> I mean, I can't let this go.
It's real.
>> So you got some work to do
to earn this girl's trust,
which I think is fair.
>> That is fair.
I did lie.
>> And I lied too, but I'm
saying you still have that
touch.
>> [laughs]
>> That's a good start.
Take it one day at a time.
>> * I'll be there *
>> Bye.
*
>> * Standing beside you
*
* I'll be there *
*
[line ringing]
>> Hey, Tiana, how are you?
>> Hey.
>> You know, when we left you
guys, it sort of felt like you
and Trez sort of might have
a thing going.
>> Why did your thoughts change?
What happened?
That's really sad.
How's your friendship with
Aisha?
Are you guys still talking?
>> Well, I'm sorry to hear that.
>> Yeah.
>> You guys seemed like you were
good friends.
>> Wow.
All right, well, hopefully we'll
see you next time we're in town.
Bye, Tiana.
>> Hey, Nev.
>> Hey!
>> How are you?
>> Okay.
We heard that things with you
and Tiana didn't end up so good.
>> Um, no, it didn't.
In the back of her mind, she
wants to believe that I knew the
whole time that it was my kid's
dad, but I can't change how she
feels about anything.
>> And what's going on now with
you and Trez?
>> I basically call his phone
and give the phone to my son,
really.
I needed a reason to just be
okay with the fact that I don't
want nothing else to do with
him.
If anything, y'all just opened
another door for me.
>> All right, well, good.
I hope everything works out with
your new life.
Hopefully we'll see you soon
sometime.
>> Bye, you too.
>> Bye.
>> A cyberbully just assumed
her identity.
>> This girl was starting rumors
about you and bullying other
people as you, terrorizing your
life.
>> Yes, just destroying
my reputation.
>> Who?
>> Who was it?
>> Moment of truth.
>> If she tries to fight me,
are you guys gonna hold her
back?
Are you kidding me?
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