Catfish: The TV Show (2012–…): Season 2, Episode 8 - Jesse & Brian - full transcript
When Jesse met Brian on Facebook, she thought she'd hit the jackpot. They made plans to meet, but Brian stood her up. Now, years later, Brian has asked her to live with him. But, she can't stop wondering - what is Brian hiding?
>> I'M FEELING MY HEARTBEAT
RIGHT NOW.
LITERALLY, MY HEART'S GETTING
FASTER AND FASTER.
>> LET'S DO IT.
>> LET'S GO.
OKAY?
GOOD?
>> I'M HIDING.
>> YOU'RE GONNA HIDE BEHIND MAX?
>> OH, MY GOD.
>> [knocks]
>> HI, I'M NEV, AND THIS IS MY
FILMMAKER BUDDY MAX.
LAST YEAR, WE TRAVELED ACROSS
THE COUNTRY FIGURING OUT THE
TRUTH BEHIND ONLINE ROMANCES.
I'M READY TO COME MEET YOU IF
YOU THINK YOU'RE REALLY READY.
>> I'M DEFINITELY READY.
>> ALONG THE WAY, WE OPENED
DOORS TO SOME BIG SURPRISES.
>> WAIT, GUYS, GUYS, GUYS, GUYS.
>> WE MADE A FEW LOVE
CONNECTIONS...
>> IT FEELS AMAZING.
>> AND EVEN DID OUR FAIR SHARE
OF MENDING BROKEN HEARTS.
>> I'M SO HAPPY EVERY DAY WHEN I
WAKE UP NOW.
>> SUDDENLY, THE IDEA OF
CATFISHING, HIDING WHO YOU
REALLY ARE TO HOOK SOMEONE INTO
AN ONLINE RELATIONSHIP...
A BEAUTY PAGEANT WINNER, A
MODEL.
WAS BEING TALKED ABOUT BY A
LOT OF YOU.
GOT AN EMAIL HERE, "WHO DID I
REALLY FALL IN LOVE WITH?"
SO MAX AND I ARE HEADED BACK OUT
ON THE ROAD...
MAX, WE'VE GOT WORK TO DO.
TO INVESTIGATE STORIES THAT SEEM
TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE...
>> I'M IN DEREK'S DRIVEWAY!
>> OR TOO WILD TO MAKE UP.
>> HE WAS CARJACKED, AND HE WAS
RAN OVER BY THE CAR.
>> JESUS, MAN.
WILL HOPE BECOME LOVE?
>> OH, MY GOD.
>> OR IS LOVE IN FOR A GIANT
SHOCK?
>> [sobbing] I DON'T KNOW...
>> YOU CAN BE SURE THAT MAX AND
I WILL FIND OUT ALL THE ANSWERS,
BECAUSE SOMETIMES A LITTLE BIT
OF FICTION...
>> WOW, CATFISH CURVEBALL.
>> LEADS TO A WHOLE LOT OF
REALITY.
>> THINGS WILL NEVER BE THE
SAME.
>> [laughing]
>> ARE YOU READY?
>> LET'S DO IT.
>> CATFISH THE MOVIE WAS MY
STORY.
CATFISH: THE TV SHOW IS YOURS.
OKAY, YOU READY?
HELLO, AND WELCOME BACK TO
CATFISH, SEASON TWO.
I'M NEV SCHULMAN.
>> AND I'M MAX JOSEPH.
>> AND WE ARE...
>> I'M A ROBOT.
>> [laughs]
ROBOT MAX IS HERE.
ALL RIGHT, LET'S DO THIS.
THIS IS AN E-MAIL FROM JESSE.
"HELP ME FIND OUT IF THIS IS
REALLY THE LOVE OF MY LIFE."
>> I ALREADY LIKE THE WAY IT
STARTS.
>> "DEAR NEV AND MAX, MY NAME IS
JESSE.
I AM 22 YEARS OLD FROM
WALLINGFORD, PENNSYLVANIA.
CURRENTLY UNEMPLOYED, LIVING
WITH MY FAMILY, AND LOOKING TO
MOVE ON TO THE NEXT CHAPTER OF
MY LIFE.
THE DECISION I'M FACING IS IF I
SHOULD MOVE HUNDREDS OF MILES
AWAY TO ALABAMA TO A GUY I'VE
BEEN TALKING TO FOR THREE YEARS
BUT HAVE YET TO MEET.
I WAS INTRODUCED ON FACEBOOK TO
BRIAN CLARK.
BRIAN WAS SERVING IN THE
MARINES."
>> VERY KIND OF ELIGIBLE
BACHELOR.
>> SURE.
"TO HAVE SOMEONE SO FAR AWAY,
NOT HAVE MET THEM, AND FEEL SO
STRONGLY ABOUT THEM IS
SOMETHING I NEVER THOUGHT WOULD
BE IMAGINABLE, BUT I KNOW FOR A
FACT THAT I AM IN LOVE WITH THE
MAN THAT I'VE GOTTEN TO KNOW SO
FAR.
WE TALKED ABOUT A FUTURE
TOGETHER.
WE WOULD LIKE TO GET MARRIED
AND HAVE A FAMILY ONE DAY."
>> * LOVE RUNS THROUGH
* THE TWO OF US
* WHAT SHALL WE DO
* WITH THE TWO OF US?
>> "RIGHT NOW, OUR RELATIONSHIP
IS THE STRONGEST IT'S EVER BEEN,
AND TO TOP IT OFF, HE IS
EXTREMELY HANDSOME.
WE'VE TALKED ON AND OFF SO MUCH
THESE PAST THREE YEARS THAT I
DIDN'T WANT TO QUESTION HIM OVER
AND OVER ABOUT WHY HE'S NEVER
BEEN ABLE TO VIDEO CHAT FOR ME.
I FEEL THAT HAVING YOU BY MY
SIDE MAY FINALLY PUSH BRIAN TO
COMPLETELY OPEN UP TO ME.
I NEED HELP.
SINCERELY, JESSE."
>> * WHAT SHALL WE DO?
>> HOW ARE YOU GOING TO BE IN A
RELATIONSHIP FOR THREE YEARS
AND THINK YOU'RE GOING TO MARRY
SOMEONE THAT WON'T EVEN GO ON
VIDEO CHAT WITH YOU?
>> I GOT A LOT OF QUESTIONS FOR
THIS GIRL.
HELLO?
>> OH, HI.
both: HEY!
>> HI.
>> NICE TO MEET YOU.
>> YEAH, SAME TO YOU.
YOU HAVE VERY BEAUTIFUL TEETH.
>> THANK YOU.
[both laughing]
>> FIRST OF ALL, WHY DO YOU LIKE
THIS GUY SO MUCH?
>> HE'S JUST SO SWEET AND
GENUINE.
IT'S NOT A FEELING I'VE FELT
WITH ANYONE BEFORE WHEN I
THOUGHT I WAS IN LOVE.
I REALLY FEEL LIKE IT'S TRUE
LOVE THIS TIME.
>> YOU REALIZE HOW CRAZY THIS
SOUNDS, RIGHT?
LIKE, HAVE YOU TOLD, LIKE, YOUR
PARENTS OR ANYTHING?
>> THEY THINK I'M NUTS TOO, BUT,
I MEAN, I KNOW I AM.
[laughs]
>> I THINK WE'D JUST LOVE THE
FULL STORY.
>> THREE YEARS AGO, WE MET.
HE WAS IN THE MARINES WITH A
FRIEND OF MINE FROM WHEN I WAS
YOUNGER.
THEY WERE BOTH IN NORTH
CAROLINA, LIVING TOGETHER.
>> OH, SO YOU HAVE A MUTUAL
FRIEND IN REAL LIFE?
>> YES.
HIS NAME IS FRAN.
>> HOW DO YOU KNOW FRAN?
>> WE USED TO KIND OF DATE WHEN
I WAS, LIKE, 12.
FRAN LIVES NEAR ME.
BRIAN HAS HIS OWN HOUSE IN
CULLMAN, ALABAMA, NOW.
WE PLANNED TO MEET UP IN 2011.
I DROVE ALL THE WAY TO NORTH
CAROLINA FROM PENNSYLVANIA, AND
HE NEVER SHOWED UP.
>> REALLY?
>> WOW.
>> I MEAN, THE GUY STOOD YOU UP,
LIKE, MAJOR.
>> HE SAID HE'D TALK TO ME LATER
ABOUT IT, AND I FOUND OUT THAT
NEXT MORNING HE GOT IN SOME SORT
OF TROUBLE.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT HAPPENED.
>> I'M AMAZED THAT YOU EVEN EVER
SPOKE TO HIM AGAIN.
>> I HAVE A BIG HEART.
I KIND OF JUST LEFT IT IN THE
PAST.
NOW THAT IT'S TWO YEARS LATER,
THINGS HAVE GOTTEN SERIOUS
RECENTLY, AND HE SAYS HE WOULD
LIKE TO SETTLE DOWN, HAVE A
FAMILY, AND HE ASKED ME TO MOVE
THERE.
AND I OBVIOUSLY JUST DON'T WANT
TO UP AND MOVE, BECAUSE OF WHAT
HAPPENED LAST TIME.
>> YOU'RE DEFINITELY AT THE
RIGHT AGE TO GO ON ADVENTURES
AND TAKE RISKS AND BE A LITTLE
CRAZY.
>> I'M READY.
ARE YOU READY?
>> [laughs] I DON'T KNOW.
MAX, ARE YOU READY?
>> I'M ALWAYS READY.
>> SO AM I.
>> SEE YOU SOON.
>> BYE, JESSE.
>> BYE!
>> BYE.
THERE'S A NEW, WEIRD ELEMENT IN
THIS, WHICH IS THAT A GUY THAT
SHE GREW UP WITH...
>> YEAH, IS VOUCHING FOR THIS
GUY.
>> LIVED WITH HIM.
DIDN'T JUST, LIKE, MEET HIM ONCE
RANDOMLY AT, LIKE, SOME THING.
LIKE, THEY WERE MARINES
TOGETHER.
>> I MEAN, WHO THE HELL IS THIS
GUY?
>> RIGHT, SHE SHOULD FIND OUT.
>> COME ON, GUYS.
LIBERTY BELL OR BUST.
>> THE LIBERTY BELL IS BUSTED.
>> [plays harmonica]
>> ALL RIGHT.
>> * WHOA OH
*YOUNG LOVERS GO POP *
>> WE'RE ACTUALLY FLYING TO NEW
YORK AND THEN TAKING A TRAIN
FROM NEW YORK TO PHILLY.
I MISSED THE TRAIN I WAS
SUPPOSED TO GET ON, BUT NEV MADE
IT, SO I'M TRAVELING SOLO.
I DO LOVE TAKING THE TRAIN.
I THINK I SEE HIM.
>> YOU MADE IT!
JESSE, THREE YEARS AGO, MET THIS
GUY.
THEY'VE BEEN TALKING, BUT THINGS
HAVE REALLY HEATED UP.
>> SHE DESERVES TO KNOW ALL THE
DETAILS BEFORE SHE GOES AND
LIVES WITH HIM IN A STATE
HALFWAY ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
>> [rings doorbell]
OKAY.
HI.
>> HI!
>> HEY, JESSE.
>> HI, NICE TO MEET YOU.
I DON'T WANT TO LET THE DOG OUT.
>> NICE TO MEET YOU.
WHAT'S THIS GUY?
>> ROMEO.
>> ROMEO?
>> COCKER SPANIEL.
>> [laughs]
>> ALL RIGHT, WELL, LET'S GO IN,
THEN, LET'S GO IN.
>> COME ON, BUD, LET'S GO.
>> THIS IS WHERE WE SKYPED.
>> YEAH, BUT IT'S REALLY MESSY
RIGHT NOW, SO JUST--
>> IT'S NOT THAT BAD.
>> IT'S BAD.
[laughs]
>> THIS IS SO LOVELY.
>> YEAH.
>> WHAT DOES YOUR TATTOO SAY?
>> "THE REST OF YOUR LIFE CAN
BE THE BEST OF YOUR LIFE."
[laughs]
>> THIS PLAN THAT YOU MADE WITH
BRIAN JUST SOUNDS ABOUT LIKE THE
SKETCHIEST THING EVER.
"I'LL MEET YOU AT A TRUCK STOP
ON 95."
A BETTER PLAN WOULD'VE BEEN,
LIKE, "MEET ME AT THE MALL WITH
FRAN DURING THE DAY WITH LOTS OF
PEOPLE AROUND."
>> I KNOW.
IT WAS A LITTLE CRA--A LOT OF
CRAZY.
WE TALKED A FEW TIMES.
>> AS YOU WERE DRIVING?
>> YES, THEN BRIAN STOPPED
ANSWERING.
ON MY WAY HOME THAT NEXT
MORNING, BRIAN CALLED, AND I
DON'T KNOW THE EXTENT OF IT, BUT
HE GOT IN SOME TYPE OF TROUBLE
WITH THE POLICE, AND, I MEAN,
THERE'S OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING HE
DOESN'T WANT TO TELL ME.
>> I'M JUST SURPRISED THAT YOU
CAN FORGIVE THIS GUY.
>> AT THAT TIME, I KIND OF
DIDN'T EVEN REALLY WANT TO KNOW.
I DIDN'T REALLY PLAN ON TALKING
TO HIM, AND I DON'T EVEN
REMEMBER HOW WE REALLY STARTED
TALKING AGAIN.
HE HAD SOME GIRLFRIENDS.
I'VE HAD TWO SERIOUS
RELATIONSHIPS.
>> AND WERE BOTH OF YOUR
PREVIOUS RELATIONSHIPS, LIKE,
LOVES?
>> AT THE TIME, I THOUGHT SO,
BUT NOT NOW.
>> AND SO NOW HERE YOU ARE, SORT
OF GETTING SERIOUS.
>> I DON'T WANT TO LET THE
OPPORTUNITY PASS ME BY.
HE'S HURT ME BEFORE, IN A WAY,
BUT NOW HE SEEMS TO BE VERY
SERIOUS ABOUT ME, VERY SERIOUS
ABOUT LIFE.
HE JUST SEEMS LIKE THE PERFECT
GUY FOR ME.
AND NOW THAT HE'S ASKED ME TO
MOVE THERE AND IT'S GOTTEN SO
SERIOUS, I NEED--NEED MY
ANSWERS.
>> LET'S GO INSIDE AND SEE THIS
GUY.
>> OKAY.
>> YOUR OTHER ROMEO.
>> HE SENT ME PICTURES, AND HE'D
SAY, "THIS IS OUR KITCHEN TABLE.
OUR BED."
>> WOW, HE TOOK, LIKE, A WHOLE
PIC--LIKE, A PICTURE ESSAY.
THINGS GOT A LITTLE MORE
PASSIONATE HERE.
>> IT'S THE CORNIEST LINE I'VE
EVER HEARD IN MY LIFE.
>> "THIS DOESN'T COMPARE TO WHAT
A CATCH YOU ARE."
AND HE'S HOLDING A FISH.
>> THAT'S LIKE A HALLMARK CARD.
>> [laughing]
>> SO HE WAS IN AFGHANISTAN.
>> FRAN COMMENTED ON IT.
>> YEAH, FRAN SET YOU GUYS UP.
>> HE'S YOUR LIAISON.
>> YEAH.
"BRIAN IS MY BOY.
I WENT TO WAR WITH THAT MAN AND
HE'S THE REASON WHY I CAME HOME
SAFELY."
>> THIS IS VERY LEGIT.
THERE'S A LOT MORE CONVINCING
EVIDENCE FROM HIS FACEBOOK PAGE,
TO THE PICTURES THAT HE SENDS
YOU, THAT, LIKE, THIS IS A REAL
GUY.
>> SO BEFORE YOU KIND OF CHANGE
THE COURSE OF YOUR WHOLE LIFE,
YOU NEED TO FIND OUT WHAT THIS
SECRET IS.
>> RIGHT.
>> WE'LL SORT OF LOOK INTO IT
AND SEE WHAT WE CAN FIND OR NOT
FIND.
>> BE CRAZY IF IT REALLY WORKS
OUT.
>> ALL RIGHT.
>> ALL RIGHT.
>> GOOD TO MEET YOU.
>> THANK YOU, YOU TOO.
>> WE'RE ON THE CASE.
SO JESSE--
>> SHE'S LOOKING FOR DIRECTION
IN LIFE.
>> RIGHT.
>> AND BEING THIS GUY'S LIVE-IN
GIRLFRIEND WOULD BE KIND OF A
PRETTY SAFE DIRECTION.
>> SHE SEES AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE
WITH THIS GUY, AND SHE WANTS TO
GO FOR IT.
>> BUT SHE'S READY TO MARRY THIS
GUY, AND WE STILL DON'T KNOW
WHAT HAPPENED THE NIGHT HE WENT
TO MEET HER.
THERE ARE A LOT OF RED FLAGS
HERE.
>> OKAY, SO WHAT DO WE KNOW
ABOUT HER?
JESSE, SHE'S TALKING TO THIS GUY
BRIAN.
THEY MET ONLINE THREE YEARS AGO.
THEY ARRANGED A MEET UP, AND HE
NEVER SHOWED UP, AND HE NEVER
PICKED UP HIS PHONE.
NOW HE'S SAYING, "I LOVE YOU.
MOVE TO ALABAMA TO BE WITH ME."
>> PRETTY BOLD AND BALLSY.
>> * IT'S JUST ANOTHER *
* IT'S JUST ANOTHER *
* COMPLICATED CASE
>> THANK YOU.
>> * DOWN THE ROAD
>> OKAY, MAX, LET'S ROCK AND
ROLL.
>> ALL RIGHT.
>> SO WHAT DO YOU WANT TO START
WITH?
>> LET'S JUST GO THROUGH HIS
FACEBOOK PAGE.
>> BINGO.
HE'S IN A RELATIONSHIP WITH
JESSE.
>> RIGHT.
>> 483 FRIENDS.
THAT'S RIGHT IN THE...
>> IT'S A HEALTHY NUMBER.
>> THE GOOD ZONE.
>> LOT OF PEOPLE POST.
>> LOT OF PEOPLE COMMENT.
>> OH, WAIT A SECOND HERE.
LET'S LOOK AT THIS.
THAT'S HIS BROTHER.
>> AND THAT'S HIM.
>> RIGHT.
U.S. MARINES.
AND LOOK, "CLARK, CLARK."
I MEAN, WHAT DO YOU THINK?
WHAT DO YOU THINK?
>> WELL, HERE.
WE'VE GOT A FACEBOOK PAGE.
HIS FAMILY IS TAGGED IN A TON OF
PHOTOS.
IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THIS GUY IS
TRYING TO FAKE WHO HE IS.
>> NOW, WHAT'S THAT ABOUT?
LOOK AT HIS NAME.
>> "ROBERT CLARK."
>> WHAT'S HIS NAME?
BRIAN CLARK.
>> MAYBE HIS NAME IS ROBERT
BRIAN CLARK.
>> COULD BE.
WHAT ARE THEY?
>> SO SOMEONE SAID, "I KNOW WHAT
THEY ARE.
I WAS THERE WHEN YOU GOT ONE OF
THEM.
PROUD YOU GOT PAST IT."
>> WHAT IS "JCSD"?
>> LET'S LOOK THAT UP.
>> "JUVENILE..."
>> "CLIENT SERVICES DIVISION."
>> JUVENILE COURT.
>> HE DID SOME TIME AT JUVIE.
OKAY, SO WAIT A SECOND, SO IF
THIS GUY'S FULL NAME IS ROBERT
BRIAN CLARK, MAYBE THERE'S MORE
WE CAN FIND OUT ABOUT HIM IF WE
LOOK UP "ROBERT BRIAN CLARK."
WAIT A SECOND, IMAGES.
>> WAIT, THERE'S ONE.
THAT LOOKS LIKE A MUG SHOT.
YEAH, LOOK.
>> YEAH.
>> "BUSTED LOCALS."
FROM NORTH CAROLINA.
WHEN IS THAT FROM?
IT'S JANUARY 29th, 2011.
>> WHICH IS WHEN SHE WENT TO
MEET HIM.
>> YEAH.
>> HE DID GET IN TROUBLE WITH
THE COPS.
>> WHAT WAS HE DOING?
>> both: "POSSESSION OF A WEAPON
OF MASS DESTRUCTION."
>> WHOA.
>> THAT'S PRETTY SCARY.
WHAT QUALIFIES AS A WEAPON OF
MASS DESTRUCTION?
>> SHOULD WE LOOK THAT UP?
"ANY WEAPON OR DEVICE THAT IS
INTENDED OR HAS THE CAPABILITY
TO CAUSE DEATH OR SERIOUS BODILY
INJURY TO A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER
OF PEOPLE."
>> SO IT COULD'VE BEEN, LIKE, A
BIOLOGICAL WEAPON.
>> "TOXIC OR POISONOUS
CHEMICALS."
>> "A DISEASE ORGANISM."
>> OR "RADIATION OR
RADIOACTIVITY."
WHAT WAS GOING ON THAT HE GOT
CAUGHT?
>> WELL, WE DON'T KNOW IF HE WAS
CONVICTED.
>> RIGHT.
SO THE ISSUE NOW IS MORE WHAT'S
THE DEAL WITH WHEN HE GOT
ARRESTED?
HE OBVIOUSLY NEVER FELT THE NEED
TO TELL HER ABOUT IT.
>> RIGHT, AND, LIKE, IT'S A BIG
STEP TO GO AND LIVE WITH A GUY
IN A STATE FAR AWAY FROM YOUR
HOME AND NOT KNOW HIS CRIMINAL
HISTORY.
>> WHY IS HE BEING SO SKETCHY?
>> I MEAN, HE WAS GOING TO MEET
HER WITH A WEAPON IN HIS CAR?
THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT
DON'T LINE UP ABOUT THIS GUY.
>> [knocking on door]
GOOD MORNING.
GUTEN MORGEN.
>> THERE'S A GROWING NUMBER OF
THINGS THAT WE'VE FOUND ABOUT
BRIAN THAT ALL SORT OF ADD UP TO
A KIND OF SHADY, QUESTIONABLE
CHARACTER.
>> WELL, FRAN SEEMS TO BE ONE OF
HIS, LIKE, BEST FRIENDS.
HE'S THE ONE THAT PUT THEM IN
TOUCH.
HE WAS LIVING WITH BRIAN THE
NIGHT THAT BRIAN GOT ARRESTED.
>> AND HE'S BEEN FRIENDS WITH
JESSE FOR A LONG TIME.
>> BUT HE COULD BE REALLY GOOD
FRIENDS WITH BRIAN.
HE'S NOT GOING TO, LIKE, PAINT
BRIAN TO BE THE PERSON THAT
MAYBE HE REALLY IS.
>> RIGHT.
>> AT THE SAME TIME, IF HE CARES
ANYTHING ABOUT JESSE, HE'LL BE
HONEST WITH US.
>> SO LET'S CALL JESSE AND SEE
IF SHE CAN HELP US ARRANGE A
MEETING WITH FRAN.
LET'S DO IT.
LET'S CALL HER.
[phone line rings]
HEY, GOOD MORNING.
SO WE THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL
TO SIT DOWN AND TALK TO FRAN.
IS THAT SOMETHING YOU THINK WE
COULD DO?
PERFECT, SO WE WILL MEET UP
WITH HIM.
WE'LL CHECK IN WITH YOU
AFTERWARDS.
BYE.
[phone line rings]
>> HELLO?
>> YEAH, HI, FRAN?
THIS IS NEV.
CAN YOU MEET UP WITH US
SOMEWHERE?
OKAY, WE'LL SEE YOU IN A LITTLE
BIT.
NEV.
>> I'M FRAN.
>> SO WHAT WOULD BE REALLY
HELPFUL IS IF YOU COULD EXPLAIN
HOW YOU GUYS MET.
>> BRIAN WAS OUR PLATOON
SERGEANT.
>> HE WAS YOUR PLATOON SERGEANT
IN AFGHANISTAN?
>> YEAH, IF IT WASN'T FOR HIM,
I DON'T THINK I WOULD HAVE CAME
HOME ALIVE.
>> REALLY?
>> IN AFGHANISTAN, HE WAS IN
CHARGE OF DOING, LIKE--LIKE,
RESCUE MISSIONS AND STUFF, SO...
IT WAS A NIGHTMARE OVER THERE.
LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE BOTH GOT
BLOWN UP A COUPLE TIMES IN OUR
TRUCKS, SO...
>> REALLY?
ARE YOU--DO YOU HAVE ANY
PERMANENT INJURIES?
>> I GOT TWO BLACK SPOTS ON MY
BRAIN, LIKE, FROM MY FRONTAL
LOBE, THAT AFFECTS MY SHORT-TERM
MEMORY.
>> WOW.
>> BUT I KNOW BRIAN'S GOT, LIKE,
HIS STUFF TOO, SO...
>> SIMILAR SORT OF THING?
>> YES.
T.B.I., AND, LIKE--WHICH IS
TRAUMATIC BRAIN INJURY--AND,
LIKE, PTSD.
OTHER THAN THAT, HE'S HEALTHY.
WHEN WE GOT BACK, BOTH OF US
WOUND UP GETTING DIVORCES.
>> HE WAS MARRIED?
>> NOT ANYMORE.
>> I DIDN'T KNOW BRIAN WAS
MARRIED.
>> I DIDN'T KNOW BRIAN WAS
MARRIED EITHER.
DOES JESSE KNOW THAT?
>> I DON'T KNOW.
HE SAW HER ON, LIKE, MY
FACEBOOK, AND THEY EXCHANGED
NUMBERS, AND THEY--I SENT THEM
ON THEIR WAY.
LIKE, THEY DID THEIR THING.
>> DO YOU CONSIDER HIM A CLOSE
FRIEND?
>> YEAH.
>> DO YOU TRUST HIM?
>> I'LL VOUCH FOR HIM.
HE'S A GOOD GUY.
>> YOU HELPED THEM ARRANGE
MEETING UP.
>> YEAH.
ONE FRIDAY NIGHT, SHE WAS
SUPPOSED TO DRIVE DOWN, AND THEN
BRIAN, HE GOT IN HIS CAR, AND
SAID HE WAS GOING TO GO MEET
UP WITH HER.
A COUPLE HOURS WENT BY, AND SHE
CALLS ME, CRYING ON THE PHONE
AND STUFF, AND THEN I TOLD HER
LIKE, "HEY," LIKE, "HE LEFT A
WHILE AGO."
HE SHOULD'VE BEEN THERE ALREADY.
LIKE--AND I DIDN'T HEAR NOTHING
FROM BRIAN.
I WAS TRYING TO GET A HOLD OF
HIM, LIKE, ALL WEEKEND.
I WENT TO WORK ON MONDAY
MORNING, AND I KEPT HEARING,
LIKE, DIFFERENT THINGS FROM
DIFFERENT PEOPLE.
LIKE, SOMEONE SAID THAT HE GOT
ARRESTED.
I HEARD THAT, OH, HE JUST GOT
PULLED OVER FOR SPEEDING AND HE
HAD HIS FLAK JACKET ON, AND
JUST, LIKE, THE BULLETPROOF VEST
THAT, YOU KNOW--
>> YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DRIVE
IN THOSE?
I MEAN, WHY WOULD HE GET IN
TROUBLE FOR THAT?
>> I COULDN'T EVEN TELL YOU.
>> NO?
>> NO.
>> WE KIND OF WERE INVESTIGATING
A LITTLE, AND WE FOUND HIS MUG
SHOT.
IT SAID THAT HE WAS ARRESTED FOR
BEING IN POSSESSION OF WEAPONS
OF MASS DESTRUCTION.
>> YOU WERE LIVING WITH HIM,
RIGHT?
SO, I MEAN, I'M SURE YOU GUYS
TALKED ABOUT IT.
>> NO.
>> BRIAN DOESN'T HAVE AN
OBSESSION WITH WEAPONS, OR,
LIKE, GRENADES--OR HE'S NOT,
LIKE, CRAZY?
>> I MEAN, HE DOES KNOW A LOT
ABOUT WEAPONS, BUT, LIKE, THAT'S
THE MAN'S BUSINESS.
LIKE, I DIDN'T--YOU KNOW WHAT
I'M SAYING?
>> DID HE GO TO PRISON?
DID HE GO TO JAIL?
>> NO, NO, HE DIDN'T GO.
>> DID HE GO TO COURT?
>> HE WAS MY PLATOON SERGEANT...
>> RIGHT.
>> SO, LIKE, I WOULDN'T, YOU
KNOW, STEP OUT OF MY PAY GRADE
AND SAY SOMETHING TO SOMEONE UP
HIGHER.
YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT--YOU KNOW,
NONE OF MY BUSINESS.
>> YEAH, I UNDERSTAND.
>> I DON'T KNOW, LIKE--
LIKE, TO THIS DAY I REALLY DON'T
KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.
>> SO WE'RE MEETING JESSE.
SHE DESERVES TO KNOW WHAT
HAPPENED THE NIGHT THEY WERE
SUPPOSED TO MEET.
>> WE HAVE TO TELL HER ABOUT
EVERYTHING THAT WE FOUND ABOUT
BRIAN.
WE JUST CAME FROM HANGING OUT
WITH FRAN.
>> RIGHT.
>> WELL, ONE THING, THOUGH, THAT
SURPRISED US, I THINK, THE MOST
WAS THAT BRIAN WAS MARRIED.
DID YOU KNOW THAT?
>> NO.
>> OKAY, WELL, ACCORDING TO
FRAN, BRIAN HAD BEEN MARRIED,
AND THEN, ACCORDING TO FRAN,
BRIAN GOT DIVORCED.
>> BRIAN NEVER TOLD ME.
>> ALSO, WE WENT TO HIS FACEBOOK
PAGE.
>> RIGHT.
>> AND WE WENT TO HIS PHOTOS,
AND WE JUST STARTED SCROLLING
THROUGH.
ONE PHOTO THAT'S BEEN ON HERE IS
THIS ONE.
IN THESE I.D. TAGS, HIS NAME IS
ROBERT CLARK.
HAVE YOU EVER TALKED ABOUT THAT
WITH HIM?
>> NO.
>> DID HE EVER MENTION HAVING TO
GO TO A JUVENILE DETENTION
CENTER?
>> NO.
>> NO?
>> SO WE DID A SEARCH FOR ROBERT
CLARK, AND SURE ENOUGH...
>> UGH.
>> HERE'S A MUG SHOT FOR ROBERT
BRIAN CLARK.
IT HAS THE DATE JANUARY 29th.
>> WOW.
>> IS THAT--
>> THE TIME WE MET.
>> THAT'S WHEN YOU WERE SUPPOSED
TO MEET HIM.
>> THE REALLY STRANGE AND
ALARMING PART OF THIS IS WHY IT
SAYS HE WAS ARRESTED: POSSESSION
OF A WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION.
>> OH, MY GOODNESS.
>> WHATEVER HE DID GET ARRESTED
FOR, AS FAR AS WE KNOW, HE NEVER
WENT TO JAIL, HE KEPT HIS JOB.
AND SO AS STRANGE AND UNSETTLING
AS IT MIGHT BE, IT COULD'VE BEEN
A SORT OF JUST WEIRD MIX-UP.
>> I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT TO SAY.
>> THIS IS SORT OF THE CRITICAL
MOMENT IN--IN YOUR LIFE, AND
REGARDING THIS RELATIONSHIP,
WHERE YOU NOW NEED TO DECIDE,
LIKE, OKAY, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO
DO?
>> WE WOULDN'T WANT TO SEND YOU
TO ALABAMA TO JUST HANG OUT WITH
THIS GUY IF WE WEREN'T SURE THAT
HE WAS SAFE, SO THAT'S SOMETHING
WE WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT FOR
YOU.
>> I WOULD DEFINITELY WANT TO
HEAR THE FULL STORY.
>> THE NEXT STEP IS TO REACH OUT
TO BRIAN.
I'D LIKE TO TRY TO GET YOU GUYS
TO FINALLY MEET EACH OTHER.
>> OKAY.
>> AND WE CAN SEE WHAT HE HAS TO
SAY FOR HIMSELF.
>> YEAH, CALL HIM.
[phone line ringing]
>> YEAH, HI, I'M LOOKING FOR
BRIAN.
MY NAME IS NEV.
I MAKE A SHOW CALLED CATFISH.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE HEARD OF
IT.
A COUPLE DAYS AGO, I GOT AN
EMAIL FROM JESSE, AND SHE
INFORMED ME THAT, LATELY, YOU'VE
BEEN TALKING A LOT.
YOU'D REALLY LIKE TO MEET EACH
OTHER.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN SHE TRIED TO
MEET YOU ONCE BEFORE, IT DIDN'T
WORK OUT, SO SHE ASKED ME FOR
MY HELP.
>> I MEAN, IT'S KIND OF A CRAZY
THING TO--TO CONSIDER.
>> DEFINITELY.
THIS SUCKS.
>> YEAH.
>> IF THIS IS REALLY THE ONE FOR
ME, THEN, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO
FIND OUT.
>> WE DID SEE THAT YOU WERE
ARRESTED BACK ON THE WEEKEND
THAT YOU WERE PLANNING TO MEET
UP WITH HER, BUT--
WELL, LOOK, LISTEN, I MEAN, I
THINK THE SMARTEST MOVE HERE
WOULD PROBABLY TO BE TO BRING
JESSE TO YOU AND JUST MAKE SURE
THAT, BEFORE ANYBODY GETS TOO
AHEAD OF THEMSELVES, WE KIND OF
CLEAR--CLEAR THE AIR AND MAKE
SURE EVERYONE'S ON THE SAME
PAGE.
YEAH, WELL, I THINK WE CAN.
BYE.
[sighs]
I SPOKE TO BRIAN.
>> OKAY.
>> BASICALLY, I SAID TO HIM, I
WAS LIKE, "LOOK, IF YOU'RE
READY..."
>> LET'S GO.
>> "AND THIS IS WHAT YOU WANT
TO DO, THEN, LIKE, I DON'T SEE
ANY REASON WHY WE SHOULD WAIT
ANY LONGER."
GET YOUR STUFF TOGETHER, AND WE
WILL PICK YOU UP IN THE MORNING.
>> TOMORROW?
>> WELL, YEAH, I MEAN, THE NEXT
FLIGHT TO ALABAMA IS...
>> TOMORROW MORNING.
>> TOMORROW.
>> SERIOUSLY?
>> both: YEAH.
>> [knocking on door]
>> HELLO AGAIN.
>> HEY.
HI, NICE TO MEET YOU.
>> HI. DENISE.
>> THAT'S NEV.
>> I'M NEV.
>> NICE TO MEET YOU.
>> THIS IS MAX.
>> HI, I'M MAX.
>> both: NICE TO MEET YOU.
>> SO WHAT DO YOU THINK OF WHAT
WE'RE DOING?
>> ALL THIS CRAZINESS?
>> YEAH.
YOU SURE YOU'RE OKAY WITH ALL
THIS?
>> I THINK IT'S A GREAT THING
FOR HER TO START OVER SOMEWHERE
NEW, BUT I JUST FEEL LIKE,
OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S THINGS THAT
HE HASN'T TOLD HER.
>> IF IT DOES WORK OUT, I THINK
THINGS WILL GO VERY WELL, AND IF
IT DOESN'T WORK OUT, COME BACK
HOME, START FRESH AGAIN.
>> AS A PARENT, YOU WANT WHAT'S
BEST FOR YOUR CHILD, SO IF SHE'S
HAPPY THERE, IT COULD END UP
TURNING INTO A GOOD THING FOR
HER.
>> WELL, WE'LL SEE.
ALL RIGHT, LET'S GET GOING.
YOUR CHARIOT AWAITS.
>> SAYONARA, SUCKERS.
>> I CAN'T BREATHE.
>> * 'CAUSE I CAN NEVER *
*I CAN NEVER *
>> OH, BY THE WAY, I'M DEATHLY
AFRAID OF AIRPLANES.
>> OH.
>> * WON'T YOU PLEASE *
* STAY CLOSE TO ME
*
>> WE'RE HERE.
WE MADE IT.
>> * COME CLOSE
* I CAN'T DO THIS ON MY OWN *
*
>> SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND IS
THAT NEITHER JESSE OR BRIAN
HAVE EVER SPENT ANY TIME
TOGETHER.
>> WE REALLY DON'T KNOW WHO THIS
GUY IS.
HE'S BEEN THROUGH A WAR.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT HE'S DEALING
WITH.
>> ALL RIGHT, WELL, LET'S GET TO
IT.
[knocks]
WOW.
HELLO.
>> HI.
>> HOW ARE YOU FEELING?
>> GOOD.
>> ARE YOU, LIKE, BUTTERFLIES?
>> A LITTLE BIT, BECAUSE IT
HASN'T HIT ME.
I FEEL LIKE WHEN I SEE HIM, THEN
I'M GOING TO BE LIKE, "HOLY
[bleep]."
SORRY.
>> THAT'S OKAY.
>> HOLY BLEEP.
>> THEY'LL BLEEP IT.
>> JUST REMEMBER...
>> MY GUARD'S UP.
>> KEEP YOUR GUARD UP.
>> DEFINITELY.
>> THERE'S A LOT RIDING ON THIS
TO HOPEFULLY DETERMINE THAT YOU
EITHER WILL WANT TO COME DOWN
HERE AND MAYBE START A
RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM, OR NOT.
>> SO WE'RE GOING RIGHT NOW?
>> MM-HMM, YEAH.
>> OKAY.
ALL RIGHT.
I JUST--I'M NERVOUS.
I FEEL LIKE I SHOULD BRUSH MY
HAIR EVERY TWO SECONDS...
>> NO, IT'S--YOU LOOK GREAT.
>> BRING ALL MY MAKE-UP WITH ME.
NO, I DON'T WANT TO GO.
>> NOW YOU DON'T WANT TO GO?
THIS IS IT.
ONCE WE LEAVE, WE'RE LEAVING.
>> COME ON, LET'S GO.
AHH!
I CAN'T BELIEVE I'M REALLY
ABOUT TO MEET HIM.
>> HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT THIS
MOMENT?
>> I DIDN'T THINK IT WOULD
REALLY EVER HAPPEN.
I'M FEELING MY HEARTBEAT RIGHT
NOW.
OH, MY GOD.
>> ALL RIGHT, SO THIS--THIS IS
IT.
>> I CAN'T BREATHE.
LITERALLY, MY HEART'S GETTING
FASTER AND FASTER.
COME ON, CAN I GET OUT?
>> ALL RIGHT, YEAH, LET'S DO IT.
>> LET'S GO.
>> ALL RIGHT, SO YOU HANG HERE.
>> STAND HERE, STAND HERE.
>> AND I'LL--I'LL GET HIM,
AND...
OKAY?
GOOD?
>> I'M HIDING.
>> YOU GONNA HIDE BEHIND MAX?
[knocks]
>> HE'S COMING OUT NOW.
>> OH, HEY, MAN.
>> HELLO? HEY.
>> HOW YOU DOING?
>> HOW'S IT GOING? HOW ARE YOU?
>> GOOD TO MEET YOU.
>> GOOD--NICE TO FINALLY MEET
YOU TOO.
NEV, RIGHT?
>> THAT'S RIGHT.
>> HEY, HOW'S IT GOING, MAN?
HOW ARE YOU?
>> ROBERT? BRIAN?
>> BRIAN, YEAH.
I GO BY BRIAN, YEAH.
>> COOL.
WELL, YOU CAN'T SEE HER, BUT
JESSE IS HIDING BEHIND MAX.
>> IS SHE?
>> SHE'S PRETTY NERVOUS.
>> [chuckles]
>> THERE SHE IS.
>> OH, MY GOD!
>> AHH!
[both laughing]
>> HOW ARE YOU?
HEY.
>> OH, MY GOD.
>> HOW ARE YOU?
>> ABOUT TO HAVE A HEART ATTACK.
>> LOOK AT YOU, YOU LITTLE SWEET
THING.
>> I TOLD YOU I WAS SCARED.
>> WHAT DO YOU THINK?
>> THIS IS CRAZY.
>> YOU LIKE IT?
>> STOP!
>> [laughs]
>> OH, MY GOD.
THIS IS NUTS.
>> IT IS.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BRINGING
HER DOWN HERE, AGAIN.
>> WE WEREN'T SURE WHAT TO
EXPECT.
I MEAN, YOU NEVER REALLY KNOW
WHEN THAT DOOR'S GOING TO SWING
OPEN.
>> I GUESS I GOT A LITTLE
EXPLAINING TO DO ON A FEW
THINGS, AND COME ON.
YOU WANT TO COME CHECK IT OUT?
>> YEAH, SHOW US AROUND.
>> YOU NERVOUS?
>> I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT TO SAY
RIGHT NOW.
>> [laughs]
>> YOU LIKE THE FLOWERS THAT I
PUT UP FOR YOU?
>> LET'S JUST GET THE BIG
QUESTIONS OUT OF THE WAY.
THE BIG REASON WHY JESSE CAME TO
US FOR HELP TO BEGIN WITH WAS
BECAUSE SHE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT
WHY THAT FIRST TIME YOU GUYS
TRIED TO MEET DIDN'T WORK OUT.
>> IT'S JUST KIND OF STRANGE
THAT YOU WERE GOING TO MEET HER
WITH WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION
ON YOU.
>> WELL, LET ME PUT IT TO YOU
LIKE THIS.
I WAS ON MY WAY, AND I PULLED
INTO A GAS STATION TO GET GAS
BEFORE I WENT TO MEET YOU.
I HAD JUST GOT BACK FROM DOING
THE RIFLE RANGE.
I KNOW THIS IS GOING TO SOUND,
YOU KNOW, KIND OF AWFUL.
I RAN OVER, WHERE THE BIG TANKER
TRUCKS FILL UP THE GAS TANKS,
THE LITTLE HOLES.
>> YEAH.
>> I RAN OVER ONE OF THOSE.
IT SHIFTED, AND MADE A DOO-DUM-
DOOMP KIND OF NOISE.
IT HIT ME.
I MEAN, IT WAS LIKE--IT WAS JUST
LIKE I WAS THERE IN MUSA QALA,
AFGHANISTAN.
IT WAS JUST LIKE I RAN OVER AN
IED, AND I WAS--YOU KNOW, THE
DUST WAS CLEARING.
I WAS RIGHT THERE.
I COULD SEE THE SCENES, AND IT
KEPT FLICKERING BACK IN MY MIND
LIKE I WAS SWITCHING IN AND OUT.
LIKE, I WOULD LOOK AT MY SIDE
MIRROR, AND THERE WOULD BE
AFGHANISTAN, YOU KNOW, BUT THEN
I'D LOOK AROUND, AND THERE'S
PEOPLE WALKING AROUND THE GAS
STATION, AND I COULDN'T DECIPHER
BETWEEN WHAT WAS REAL AND WHAT
WAS FAKE.
SO IN AFGHANISTAN, I ALWAYS WORE
MY FLAK JACKET, SO I IMMEDIATELY
GOT IN THE PASSENGER SIDE AND
PUT MY VEST ON.
WELL, A GUY THAT WAS ACTUALLY
THERE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT IT,
AND HE WAS ASKING ME, "BUDDY,
ARE YOU OKAY?
BUDDY, ARE YOU OKAY?"
I JUST KIND OF, LIKE, FREAKED
OUT.
THE GUY ACTUALLY CALLED THE
COPS, AND THE COPS ASKED ME IF I
HAD ANY GUNS IN THE CAR.
WELL, I HAD A SAWED-OFF SHOTGUN
THAT WAS BROKEN DOWN IN A
BACKPACK IN MY TRUNK.
IN THE STATE OF ALABAMA, IF YOU
HAVE A SHOTGUN THAT IS SAWED
OFF, YOU'RE GOOD TO GO, BUT IN
NORTH CAROLINA, IF YOU ALTER IT
IN ANY WAY, IT'S CALLED WEAPONS
OF MASS DESTRUCTION, AND THAT'S
WHAT I GOT CHARGED WITH--
POSSESSION WEAPONS OF MASS
DESTRUCTION.
WITH THE BARREL BEING ALTERED,
THEY HAD TO ARREST ME FOR THAT,
SO I ACTUALLY DIDN'T GET CHARGED
WITH IT, BUT THAT'S WHAT I WAS
INITIALLY ARRESTED WITH, AND
ONCE MY CHAIN OF COMMAND FOUND
OUT, THEY CAME AND GOT ME OUT OF
JAIL.
THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED.
I WAS DIAGNOSED LATER ON WITH
POST TRAUMATIC STRESS SYNDROME.
I STARTED GOING TO PTSD
COUNSELING, WHICH HELPED OUT A
LOT.
YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SOME CRAZY,
YOU KNOW, MANIAC WITH A GUN.
IT JUST WAS--IT WAS AN EPISODE
THAT I HAD.
I'VE WORKED MY WAY INTO A
PRODUCTIVE MEMBER OF SOCIETY
NOW.
>> AND I'M JUST CURIOUS WHY YOU
DIDN'T EXPLAIN IT TO HER THEN.
>> IT WAS HARD FOR ME TO TRY TO
TELL SOMEBODY, "HEY, I'M GOING
THROUGH PTSD" WHEN I DIDN'T
EVEN KNOW WHAT IT WAS AT THE
TIME.
I'M SORRY TO HAVE DRAWN IT OUT.
I'M NOT TRYING TO JUSTIFY IT,
BUT THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED.
>> YOU KNOW, YOU SHOULDN'T...
FEEL EMBARRASSED ABOUT THAT AT
ALL.
I DON'T LOOK AT IT AS SOMETHING
CRAZY.
I JUST KNOW IT'S SOMETHING YOU
HAVE TO WORK THROUGH, AND YOU'VE
BEEN A LOYAL AND GENUINE GUY,
AND I JUST DON'T SEE THAT IN
YOU, AND YOU SEEM TO BE A
DIFFERENT--DIFFERENT MAN.
>> THANK YOU.
>> WELL, ONE THING THAT'S STILL
NOT SO UNDERSTANDABLE IS YOUR
SHOCKING ENTHUSIASM...
>> YES.
>> TO GET SO SERIOUS SO FAST.
>> I'VE ALWAYS LIKED JESS.
I'VE ALWAYS CARED FOR JESS, BUT
I HAD A LOT OF ISSUES THAT I HAD
TO DEAL WITH.
HERE A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, IT
JUST STARTED SEEMING POSSIBLE
AGAIN.
AND ANOTHER THING IS I WAS
MARRIED WHEN WE WERE GOING TO
MEET, AND THIS--
>> WHEN WE WERE GONNA MEET?
>> WHEN WE WERE GONNA MEET, AND
THIS--THIS IS IT.
I FILED FOR A DIVORCE, LIKE, A
WEEK WITH BEING BACK FROM
AFGHANISTAN, SO WHEN WE MEET, I
WAS LEGALLY SEPARATED, BUT I
WASN'T HONEST ABOUT MY WIFE.
I WASN'T HONEST ABOUT, YOU KNOW,
A LOT OF THINGS THAT WERE GOING
ON, AND I DON'T WANT TO START
THIS RELATIONSHIP OFF WITH LIES.
THIS IS WHY I WANTED TO MEET YOU
FACE TO FACE AND EXPLAIN TO
YOU, YOU KNOW, UP CLOSE WHAT,
YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS GOING ON.
I MEAN, IS IT--THAT SOMETHING WE
CAN WORK THROUGH?
I MEAN...
>> I DON'T KNOW, UM...
FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO COME CLEAN
ABOUT ALL THIS, AND BE ABLE TO
TELL EVERYONE, I MEAN, THAT DOES
MEAN A LOT TO ME, AND YOU KNOW,
I DON'T WANT TO HOLD THAT
AGAINST YOU.
I MEAN, THINGS HAPPEN.
I JUST WANT TO KNOW THAT I'D BE
ABLE TO TRUST YOU.
>> I WILL SHOW YOU THAT HEY,
LOOK, YOU CAN TRUST ME.
SO HERE'S OUR SECOND CHANCE, AND
I'M SORRY ABOUT THE FIRST
IMPRESSION, BUT, I MEAN...
>> IT'S ALL RIGHT.
I FORGIVE YOU.
>> FROM MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE,
I ENCOURAGE YOU TO REALLY WORK
TOWARDS BEING AS OPEN AS YOU CAN
ABOUT THE STRUGGLES THAT YOU'VE
GONE THROUGH AND OVERCOME.
>> THERE IS NO SHAME IN
DISCUSSING HOW YOU FEEL OR THE
PROBLEMS THAT YOU HAVE.
>> THANKS FOR YOUR SERVICE.
>> THANK YOU.
THANK YOU.
>> IS THIS EXPLANATION CLEARING
THE AIR?
ARE YOU FEELING--
>> YEAH, I MEAN, I FEEL A LOT
BETTER ABOUT THINGS.
>> I'M GLAD YOU FEEL BETTER.
I AM RELIEVED.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO DEFINITELY
SEE WHERE IT GOES.
>> WITH THESE NEXT COUPLE OF
DAYS, I HOPE THAT I CAN SHOW YOU
AROUND AND KIND OF GET YOU
COMFORTABLE.
>> YEAH.
>> COME ON, BABY.
WE CAN GO SEE THE HORSES.
>> IS THAT THEM?
>> YEAH.
>> I LIKE HIM.
I THINK HE'S A GOOD GUY.
THE EXPLANATION FOR WHAT
HAPPENED IS TOTALLY
UNDERSTANDABLE.
IT WAS THREE YEARS AGO.
HE SEEMS TO HAVE COME A LONG
WAY.
OUR JOB IS DONE.
>> MAX.
>> YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO GO.
YOU GUYS CAN SPEND THE AFTERNOON
TOGETHER, WHATEVER FEELS RIGHT.
>> ALL RIGHT.
>> TAKE GOOD CARE OF HER.
>> Y'ALL HAVE A GOOD TIME.
AWESOME.
HAVE FUN.
>> BYE, GUYS.
>> I DON'T HAVE EVERYTHING, BUT
I'M COMFORTABLE.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING?
I DON'T HAVE A FANCY CAR, BUT,
YOU KNOW, I FEEL LIKE I HAVE
SOME THINGS TO OFFER, YOU KNOW,
TO YOU, AND, YOU KNOW...
>> I DON'T CARE IF WE'RE IN A
FRIGGIN' BOX.
LIKE, I JUST WANT TO BE WITH
YOU, I JUST WANT TO BE HAPPY.
>> WELL, I'M JUST GLAD YOU'RE
HERE, AND I DO WANT TO GIVE THIS
A SHOT.
>> * WHERE MY LOVE LIES
>> I LOVE YOU.
>> I LOVE YOU.
>> * WHERE MY LOVE LIES
*
>> AND NOW, MORE CATFISH: THE
TV SHOW.
STICK AROUND.
>> RISE AND SHINE.
>> HELLO.
>> GOOD MORNING.
>> GOOD MORNING.
>> MORNING.
WE GOTTA DISH.
>> RIGHT?
IT WENT REALLY GOOD.
I JUST DIDN'T PICTURE IT TO BE
SO COMFORTABLE, YOU KNOW, AND
HAVE IT BE LIKE I'VE KNOWN YOU
FOREVER.
>> THAT'S GREAT.
SO AFTER DINNER, YOU GUYS FOOLED
AROUND A LITTLE?
>> WE KISSED.
YEAH, I MEAN, YOU KNOW.
YOU GOT TO TEST DRIVE THE CAR
BEFORE YOU BUY IT.
>> WHOA!
>> WHOA, WHAT?
>> [exaggerated gasp]
[laughter]
>> BECAUSE THAT'S THE FIRST TIME
THAT'S EVER HAPPENED ON THIS
SHOW, AND THAT'S A BIG DEAL FOR
US.
>> NO, IT'S NOT.
>> both: IT IS!
>> I MEAN, IF I'M GOING TO MOVE
HERE, I GOT TO KNOW HOW IT GOES.
>> SO WAIT--SO GREAT.
I MEAN, LOOK, WE DON'T HAVE MUCH
MORE TIME HERE, SO I THINK WE
SHOULD FIND OUT WHAT HE'S GOT
PLANNED FOR THE DAY.
[phone line rings]
>> HELLO.
WHAT'S GOING ON TODAY?
>> GOOD MORNING, BABE.
>> MORNING.
>> HOW ARE YOU?
COME ON, SAVANNAH.
>> AW, THE TRUNK.
>> YOU GUYS READY FOR AN
ADVENTURE AT THE LAKE?
>> OH, YEAH.
[dog barking]
>> HI.
>> HOW'S IT GOING?
THIS IS MY MOTHER, CONNIE.
>> HI, JESSE, IT'S NICE TO MEET
YOU.
>> NICE TO MEET YOU FINALLY.
>> both: NICE TO MEET YOU.
>> DO YOU THINK BRIAN'S WHAT YOU
EXPECTED, OR DO YOU THINK YOU'RE
SURPRISED?
>> HE'S MORE THAN I EXPECTED.
>> IN A GOOD WAY?
>> YES.
>> OH, GOOD.
all: AWW.
>> WELL, YOU'RE CUTER THAN I
THOUGHT.
>> [laughs]
>> WHEN BRIAN GIVES YOU HIS
HEART, HE GIVES IT 100%.
>> I JUST NEVER PICTURED MYSELF
IN THIS SITUATION.
IT'S NOT, LIKE, HOW I PLANNED
OUT MY LIFE.
>> YEAH, BUT SOMETIMES, YOU
KNOW, RISKS ARE WORTH TAKING.
>> YEAH, WELL, I DID A RISK FOR
HIM BEFORE.
>> YEAH, THAT DIDN'T ALMOST COME
OUT REAL GOOD, DID IT?
OF COURSE, HE'S IN A DIFFERENT
PLACE THAN HE WAS WHEN THAT
HAPPENED.
>> YEAH.
>> IT ALL HAPPENED FOR A REASON,
SO--AND I BELIEVE THAT.
>> SO DO I.
>> Y'ALL WANT TO EAT?
[laughter]
>> GRAB SOME CHEESE.
>> OKAY, HERE YOU GO.
>> I WANT TO.
>> OH, THOSE WORMS ARE ESCAPING.
>> * ALL I HAVE
* IS LOVE TO GIVE
* WON'T YOU TELL ME *
* YOU'RE THE ONE FOR ME *
>> OH, HE'S ALREADY GOT IT. GO.
OHH! LOOK HOW LITTLE THAT IS.
>> I GOT A LITTLE BABY!
>> HOW YOU FEELING ABOUT THIS
WHOLE WEEKEND?
>> UM, SO FAR, SO GOOD.
I MEAN, AND THE FACT THAT SHE'S
GOOD WITH THE FAMILY, THAT MEANS
A LOT TO ME, OBVIOUSLY, SO I
THINK WE CAN MAKE IT WORK OUT.
>> SO YOU'RE STILL FEELING LIKE
MOVING FORWARD FOR SURE?
>> OH, YEAH, DEFINITELY.
AND I HOPE SHE FEELS THE SAME
WAY.
>> ARE YOU SAD TO GO?
>> CAN YOU JUST LEAVE ME HERE?
[laughs]
AW, MAYBE I'LL BE BACK.
>> IT WAS GOOD TO MEET YOU.
>> PROMISE ME YOU'LL BE BACK.
>> PLEASE--YEAH, PLEASE COME
BACK.
>> AWW.
>> AM I COMING BACK?
>> YEAH, YOU ARE.
YOU'RE DEFINITELY COMING BACK,
SO...
[overlapping chatter]
>> COME ON, FAMILY.
>> ALL RIGHT, BYE.
>> ALL RIGHT, LET'S DO IT.
>> WELL, BABE, THEY OBVIOUSLY
LOVED YOU, SO YEAH.
>> I'M REALLY GLAD I GOT TO MEET
THEM.
>> OKAY, BACK HOME.
>> GREAT, GREAT WEEKEND.
>> REALLY GOOD TO MEET YOU.
>> YEAH, I APPRECIATE Y'ALL
MAKING THIS HAPPEN, FOR REAL.
ALL RIGHT, SEE YOU LATER.
>> SEE YOU IN THE CAR.
>> THANK YOU.
>> BYE, GUYS.
[sighs]
>> [groaning]
>> [chuckles]
>> ALL RIGHT.
>> ALL RIGHT.
LOOK, IT'S NOT THE END.
IT'S THE BEGINNING OF SOMETHING,
SO...
[sighs]
>> DON'T CRY.
>> I'M NOT CRYING.
YOU'RE SILLY.
>> I LOVE YOU.
>> I LOVE YOU.
>> * FILL THIS LIFE
* WITH YOU PLUS ME
>> GONNA BE OKAY.
YOU'LL BE BACK.
OKAY, BABY?
GOOD-BYE.
>> BYE.
>> BYE, GUYS.
>> WOW.
>> * AND WE WILL FIND
* A PLACE AND TIME
* I'M GOING DOWN THIS ROAD *
* WITH YOU
* RUNNING DOWN THIS ROAD
>> BYE, BABY!
[blows kiss]
>> * RUNNING DOWN THIS ROAD
* WITH YOU
* FOLLOWING OUR HEART
* WILL LEAD
* TO FILL MY LIFE
* WITH YOU PLUS ME
[phone line rings]
>> OORAH.
>> AT EASE, SOLDIER.
>> OORAH.
>> WHAT'S GOING ON, GUYS?
HOW YOU DOING?
>> GOOD, HOW ARE YOU?
>> ARE YOU GUYS STILL TOGETHER?
>> [exhales]
WE'RE STILL--WE'RE STILL TRYING
TO WORK THINGS OUT, YEAH.
I THOUGHT SHE WOULD HAVE BEEN
DOWN HERE BY NOW, BUT, YOU KNOW,
I'M STILL WILLING TO HAVE HER
COME DOWN AND POSSIBLY START A
NEW FAMILY.
>> I HOPE IT WORKS OUT,
WHATEVER--WHATEVER HAPPENS.
>> ALL RIGHT, MAN, THANKS.
both: LATER.
>> HEY, JESSE, HOW ARE YOU?
>> STILL IN P.A.
>> WHY ARE YOU STILL THERE?
>> I WAS GOING TO SURPRISE HIM
AND GO THERE TONIGHT, BUT...
>> AWW.
>> MY SURPRISE BLEW UP IN MY
FACE, AND HE WAS VERY ANGRY,
AND HE WAS LIKE, "WHERE THE
HELL HAVE YOU BEEN?
I'M SICK OF WAITING FOR YOU."
AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO
HAPPEN.
>> WELL, WE JUST SPOKE TO HIM.
HE WANTS TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO
MAKE IT WORK, AND HE WANTS YOU
TO COME DOWN THERE.
WOULD YOU MIND IF WE ADD HIM TO
THIS?
>> WELL, I'M SCARED.
>> DON'T BE SCARED.
[phone line rings]
>> HERE HE COMES.
HELLO.
>> HEY.
>> HEY.
>> JESS WAS REALLY PLANNING ON
GETTING IN HER CAR AND DRIVING
DOWN THERE TO BE WITH YOU.
>> I HAD JUST SAID THAT I WAS
READY TO COME THERE RIGHT WHEN
I HUNG UP.
>> IF YOU'RE PACKED AND YOU'RE
READY TO GO, YOU'VE BEEN MY
PRIORITY SINCE DAY ONE, AND I'M
READY FOR YOU TO BE HERE.
>> SO IF I COME DOWN THERE, I
WANT TO BRING IT ALL, WHETHER
I'M THERE FOR A WEEK OR NOT.
>> ALL RIGHT.
THAT SOUNDS LIKE A--THAT SOUNDS
LIKE A PLAN.
>> YES.
>> WELL, THANKS--THANKS, GUYS.
>> ALL RIGHT, GUYS, GOOD LUCK
WITH EVERYTHING.
>> BYE.
>> SEE YOU GUYS.
>> WE GOT AN EMAIL HERE.
I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO MEET JESS
BECAUSE WE ARE BOTH IN A
RELATIONSHIP.
>> THIS IS CRAZY.
>> I FEEL LIKE SHE CARES ABOUT
ME.
I FEEL LIKE SHE'S SOMEBODY I CAN
TRUST.
>> WE GO TO IMAGE SEARCH.
AND--OH, HERE.
>> OH, OH, BOOM.
>> OH, [bleep].
>> AH, [bleep].
>> LET'S GET OUR HEADS IN THE
GAME RIGHT NOW 'CAUSE THIS IS
ABOUT TO GET REAL.
>> [groans]
>> HERE'S A CAR.
1543
00:40:59.
RIGHT NOW.
LITERALLY, MY HEART'S GETTING
FASTER AND FASTER.
>> LET'S DO IT.
>> LET'S GO.
OKAY?
GOOD?
>> I'M HIDING.
>> YOU'RE GONNA HIDE BEHIND MAX?
>> OH, MY GOD.
>> [knocks]
>> HI, I'M NEV, AND THIS IS MY
FILMMAKER BUDDY MAX.
LAST YEAR, WE TRAVELED ACROSS
THE COUNTRY FIGURING OUT THE
TRUTH BEHIND ONLINE ROMANCES.
I'M READY TO COME MEET YOU IF
YOU THINK YOU'RE REALLY READY.
>> I'M DEFINITELY READY.
>> ALONG THE WAY, WE OPENED
DOORS TO SOME BIG SURPRISES.
>> WAIT, GUYS, GUYS, GUYS, GUYS.
>> WE MADE A FEW LOVE
CONNECTIONS...
>> IT FEELS AMAZING.
>> AND EVEN DID OUR FAIR SHARE
OF MENDING BROKEN HEARTS.
>> I'M SO HAPPY EVERY DAY WHEN I
WAKE UP NOW.
>> SUDDENLY, THE IDEA OF
CATFISHING, HIDING WHO YOU
REALLY ARE TO HOOK SOMEONE INTO
AN ONLINE RELATIONSHIP...
A BEAUTY PAGEANT WINNER, A
MODEL.
WAS BEING TALKED ABOUT BY A
LOT OF YOU.
GOT AN EMAIL HERE, "WHO DID I
REALLY FALL IN LOVE WITH?"
SO MAX AND I ARE HEADED BACK OUT
ON THE ROAD...
MAX, WE'VE GOT WORK TO DO.
TO INVESTIGATE STORIES THAT SEEM
TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE...
>> I'M IN DEREK'S DRIVEWAY!
>> OR TOO WILD TO MAKE UP.
>> HE WAS CARJACKED, AND HE WAS
RAN OVER BY THE CAR.
>> JESUS, MAN.
WILL HOPE BECOME LOVE?
>> OH, MY GOD.
>> OR IS LOVE IN FOR A GIANT
SHOCK?
>> [sobbing] I DON'T KNOW...
>> YOU CAN BE SURE THAT MAX AND
I WILL FIND OUT ALL THE ANSWERS,
BECAUSE SOMETIMES A LITTLE BIT
OF FICTION...
>> WOW, CATFISH CURVEBALL.
>> LEADS TO A WHOLE LOT OF
REALITY.
>> THINGS WILL NEVER BE THE
SAME.
>> [laughing]
>> ARE YOU READY?
>> LET'S DO IT.
>> CATFISH THE MOVIE WAS MY
STORY.
CATFISH: THE TV SHOW IS YOURS.
OKAY, YOU READY?
HELLO, AND WELCOME BACK TO
CATFISH, SEASON TWO.
I'M NEV SCHULMAN.
>> AND I'M MAX JOSEPH.
>> AND WE ARE...
>> I'M A ROBOT.
>> [laughs]
ROBOT MAX IS HERE.
ALL RIGHT, LET'S DO THIS.
THIS IS AN E-MAIL FROM JESSE.
"HELP ME FIND OUT IF THIS IS
REALLY THE LOVE OF MY LIFE."
>> I ALREADY LIKE THE WAY IT
STARTS.
>> "DEAR NEV AND MAX, MY NAME IS
JESSE.
I AM 22 YEARS OLD FROM
WALLINGFORD, PENNSYLVANIA.
CURRENTLY UNEMPLOYED, LIVING
WITH MY FAMILY, AND LOOKING TO
MOVE ON TO THE NEXT CHAPTER OF
MY LIFE.
THE DECISION I'M FACING IS IF I
SHOULD MOVE HUNDREDS OF MILES
AWAY TO ALABAMA TO A GUY I'VE
BEEN TALKING TO FOR THREE YEARS
BUT HAVE YET TO MEET.
I WAS INTRODUCED ON FACEBOOK TO
BRIAN CLARK.
BRIAN WAS SERVING IN THE
MARINES."
>> VERY KIND OF ELIGIBLE
BACHELOR.
>> SURE.
"TO HAVE SOMEONE SO FAR AWAY,
NOT HAVE MET THEM, AND FEEL SO
STRONGLY ABOUT THEM IS
SOMETHING I NEVER THOUGHT WOULD
BE IMAGINABLE, BUT I KNOW FOR A
FACT THAT I AM IN LOVE WITH THE
MAN THAT I'VE GOTTEN TO KNOW SO
FAR.
WE TALKED ABOUT A FUTURE
TOGETHER.
WE WOULD LIKE TO GET MARRIED
AND HAVE A FAMILY ONE DAY."
>> * LOVE RUNS THROUGH
* THE TWO OF US
* WHAT SHALL WE DO
* WITH THE TWO OF US?
>> "RIGHT NOW, OUR RELATIONSHIP
IS THE STRONGEST IT'S EVER BEEN,
AND TO TOP IT OFF, HE IS
EXTREMELY HANDSOME.
WE'VE TALKED ON AND OFF SO MUCH
THESE PAST THREE YEARS THAT I
DIDN'T WANT TO QUESTION HIM OVER
AND OVER ABOUT WHY HE'S NEVER
BEEN ABLE TO VIDEO CHAT FOR ME.
I FEEL THAT HAVING YOU BY MY
SIDE MAY FINALLY PUSH BRIAN TO
COMPLETELY OPEN UP TO ME.
I NEED HELP.
SINCERELY, JESSE."
>> * WHAT SHALL WE DO?
>> HOW ARE YOU GOING TO BE IN A
RELATIONSHIP FOR THREE YEARS
AND THINK YOU'RE GOING TO MARRY
SOMEONE THAT WON'T EVEN GO ON
VIDEO CHAT WITH YOU?
>> I GOT A LOT OF QUESTIONS FOR
THIS GIRL.
HELLO?
>> OH, HI.
both: HEY!
>> HI.
>> NICE TO MEET YOU.
>> YEAH, SAME TO YOU.
YOU HAVE VERY BEAUTIFUL TEETH.
>> THANK YOU.
[both laughing]
>> FIRST OF ALL, WHY DO YOU LIKE
THIS GUY SO MUCH?
>> HE'S JUST SO SWEET AND
GENUINE.
IT'S NOT A FEELING I'VE FELT
WITH ANYONE BEFORE WHEN I
THOUGHT I WAS IN LOVE.
I REALLY FEEL LIKE IT'S TRUE
LOVE THIS TIME.
>> YOU REALIZE HOW CRAZY THIS
SOUNDS, RIGHT?
LIKE, HAVE YOU TOLD, LIKE, YOUR
PARENTS OR ANYTHING?
>> THEY THINK I'M NUTS TOO, BUT,
I MEAN, I KNOW I AM.
[laughs]
>> I THINK WE'D JUST LOVE THE
FULL STORY.
>> THREE YEARS AGO, WE MET.
HE WAS IN THE MARINES WITH A
FRIEND OF MINE FROM WHEN I WAS
YOUNGER.
THEY WERE BOTH IN NORTH
CAROLINA, LIVING TOGETHER.
>> OH, SO YOU HAVE A MUTUAL
FRIEND IN REAL LIFE?
>> YES.
HIS NAME IS FRAN.
>> HOW DO YOU KNOW FRAN?
>> WE USED TO KIND OF DATE WHEN
I WAS, LIKE, 12.
FRAN LIVES NEAR ME.
BRIAN HAS HIS OWN HOUSE IN
CULLMAN, ALABAMA, NOW.
WE PLANNED TO MEET UP IN 2011.
I DROVE ALL THE WAY TO NORTH
CAROLINA FROM PENNSYLVANIA, AND
HE NEVER SHOWED UP.
>> REALLY?
>> WOW.
>> I MEAN, THE GUY STOOD YOU UP,
LIKE, MAJOR.
>> HE SAID HE'D TALK TO ME LATER
ABOUT IT, AND I FOUND OUT THAT
NEXT MORNING HE GOT IN SOME SORT
OF TROUBLE.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT HAPPENED.
>> I'M AMAZED THAT YOU EVEN EVER
SPOKE TO HIM AGAIN.
>> I HAVE A BIG HEART.
I KIND OF JUST LEFT IT IN THE
PAST.
NOW THAT IT'S TWO YEARS LATER,
THINGS HAVE GOTTEN SERIOUS
RECENTLY, AND HE SAYS HE WOULD
LIKE TO SETTLE DOWN, HAVE A
FAMILY, AND HE ASKED ME TO MOVE
THERE.
AND I OBVIOUSLY JUST DON'T WANT
TO UP AND MOVE, BECAUSE OF WHAT
HAPPENED LAST TIME.
>> YOU'RE DEFINITELY AT THE
RIGHT AGE TO GO ON ADVENTURES
AND TAKE RISKS AND BE A LITTLE
CRAZY.
>> I'M READY.
ARE YOU READY?
>> [laughs] I DON'T KNOW.
MAX, ARE YOU READY?
>> I'M ALWAYS READY.
>> SO AM I.
>> SEE YOU SOON.
>> BYE, JESSE.
>> BYE!
>> BYE.
THERE'S A NEW, WEIRD ELEMENT IN
THIS, WHICH IS THAT A GUY THAT
SHE GREW UP WITH...
>> YEAH, IS VOUCHING FOR THIS
GUY.
>> LIVED WITH HIM.
DIDN'T JUST, LIKE, MEET HIM ONCE
RANDOMLY AT, LIKE, SOME THING.
LIKE, THEY WERE MARINES
TOGETHER.
>> I MEAN, WHO THE HELL IS THIS
GUY?
>> RIGHT, SHE SHOULD FIND OUT.
>> COME ON, GUYS.
LIBERTY BELL OR BUST.
>> THE LIBERTY BELL IS BUSTED.
>> [plays harmonica]
>> ALL RIGHT.
>> * WHOA OH
*YOUNG LOVERS GO POP *
>> WE'RE ACTUALLY FLYING TO NEW
YORK AND THEN TAKING A TRAIN
FROM NEW YORK TO PHILLY.
I MISSED THE TRAIN I WAS
SUPPOSED TO GET ON, BUT NEV MADE
IT, SO I'M TRAVELING SOLO.
I DO LOVE TAKING THE TRAIN.
I THINK I SEE HIM.
>> YOU MADE IT!
JESSE, THREE YEARS AGO, MET THIS
GUY.
THEY'VE BEEN TALKING, BUT THINGS
HAVE REALLY HEATED UP.
>> SHE DESERVES TO KNOW ALL THE
DETAILS BEFORE SHE GOES AND
LIVES WITH HIM IN A STATE
HALFWAY ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
>> [rings doorbell]
OKAY.
HI.
>> HI!
>> HEY, JESSE.
>> HI, NICE TO MEET YOU.
I DON'T WANT TO LET THE DOG OUT.
>> NICE TO MEET YOU.
WHAT'S THIS GUY?
>> ROMEO.
>> ROMEO?
>> COCKER SPANIEL.
>> [laughs]
>> ALL RIGHT, WELL, LET'S GO IN,
THEN, LET'S GO IN.
>> COME ON, BUD, LET'S GO.
>> THIS IS WHERE WE SKYPED.
>> YEAH, BUT IT'S REALLY MESSY
RIGHT NOW, SO JUST--
>> IT'S NOT THAT BAD.
>> IT'S BAD.
[laughs]
>> THIS IS SO LOVELY.
>> YEAH.
>> WHAT DOES YOUR TATTOO SAY?
>> "THE REST OF YOUR LIFE CAN
BE THE BEST OF YOUR LIFE."
[laughs]
>> THIS PLAN THAT YOU MADE WITH
BRIAN JUST SOUNDS ABOUT LIKE THE
SKETCHIEST THING EVER.
"I'LL MEET YOU AT A TRUCK STOP
ON 95."
A BETTER PLAN WOULD'VE BEEN,
LIKE, "MEET ME AT THE MALL WITH
FRAN DURING THE DAY WITH LOTS OF
PEOPLE AROUND."
>> I KNOW.
IT WAS A LITTLE CRA--A LOT OF
CRAZY.
WE TALKED A FEW TIMES.
>> AS YOU WERE DRIVING?
>> YES, THEN BRIAN STOPPED
ANSWERING.
ON MY WAY HOME THAT NEXT
MORNING, BRIAN CALLED, AND I
DON'T KNOW THE EXTENT OF IT, BUT
HE GOT IN SOME TYPE OF TROUBLE
WITH THE POLICE, AND, I MEAN,
THERE'S OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING HE
DOESN'T WANT TO TELL ME.
>> I'M JUST SURPRISED THAT YOU
CAN FORGIVE THIS GUY.
>> AT THAT TIME, I KIND OF
DIDN'T EVEN REALLY WANT TO KNOW.
I DIDN'T REALLY PLAN ON TALKING
TO HIM, AND I DON'T EVEN
REMEMBER HOW WE REALLY STARTED
TALKING AGAIN.
HE HAD SOME GIRLFRIENDS.
I'VE HAD TWO SERIOUS
RELATIONSHIPS.
>> AND WERE BOTH OF YOUR
PREVIOUS RELATIONSHIPS, LIKE,
LOVES?
>> AT THE TIME, I THOUGHT SO,
BUT NOT NOW.
>> AND SO NOW HERE YOU ARE, SORT
OF GETTING SERIOUS.
>> I DON'T WANT TO LET THE
OPPORTUNITY PASS ME BY.
HE'S HURT ME BEFORE, IN A WAY,
BUT NOW HE SEEMS TO BE VERY
SERIOUS ABOUT ME, VERY SERIOUS
ABOUT LIFE.
HE JUST SEEMS LIKE THE PERFECT
GUY FOR ME.
AND NOW THAT HE'S ASKED ME TO
MOVE THERE AND IT'S GOTTEN SO
SERIOUS, I NEED--NEED MY
ANSWERS.
>> LET'S GO INSIDE AND SEE THIS
GUY.
>> OKAY.
>> YOUR OTHER ROMEO.
>> HE SENT ME PICTURES, AND HE'D
SAY, "THIS IS OUR KITCHEN TABLE.
OUR BED."
>> WOW, HE TOOK, LIKE, A WHOLE
PIC--LIKE, A PICTURE ESSAY.
THINGS GOT A LITTLE MORE
PASSIONATE HERE.
>> IT'S THE CORNIEST LINE I'VE
EVER HEARD IN MY LIFE.
>> "THIS DOESN'T COMPARE TO WHAT
A CATCH YOU ARE."
AND HE'S HOLDING A FISH.
>> THAT'S LIKE A HALLMARK CARD.
>> [laughing]
>> SO HE WAS IN AFGHANISTAN.
>> FRAN COMMENTED ON IT.
>> YEAH, FRAN SET YOU GUYS UP.
>> HE'S YOUR LIAISON.
>> YEAH.
"BRIAN IS MY BOY.
I WENT TO WAR WITH THAT MAN AND
HE'S THE REASON WHY I CAME HOME
SAFELY."
>> THIS IS VERY LEGIT.
THERE'S A LOT MORE CONVINCING
EVIDENCE FROM HIS FACEBOOK PAGE,
TO THE PICTURES THAT HE SENDS
YOU, THAT, LIKE, THIS IS A REAL
GUY.
>> SO BEFORE YOU KIND OF CHANGE
THE COURSE OF YOUR WHOLE LIFE,
YOU NEED TO FIND OUT WHAT THIS
SECRET IS.
>> RIGHT.
>> WE'LL SORT OF LOOK INTO IT
AND SEE WHAT WE CAN FIND OR NOT
FIND.
>> BE CRAZY IF IT REALLY WORKS
OUT.
>> ALL RIGHT.
>> ALL RIGHT.
>> GOOD TO MEET YOU.
>> THANK YOU, YOU TOO.
>> WE'RE ON THE CASE.
SO JESSE--
>> SHE'S LOOKING FOR DIRECTION
IN LIFE.
>> RIGHT.
>> AND BEING THIS GUY'S LIVE-IN
GIRLFRIEND WOULD BE KIND OF A
PRETTY SAFE DIRECTION.
>> SHE SEES AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE
WITH THIS GUY, AND SHE WANTS TO
GO FOR IT.
>> BUT SHE'S READY TO MARRY THIS
GUY, AND WE STILL DON'T KNOW
WHAT HAPPENED THE NIGHT HE WENT
TO MEET HER.
THERE ARE A LOT OF RED FLAGS
HERE.
>> OKAY, SO WHAT DO WE KNOW
ABOUT HER?
JESSE, SHE'S TALKING TO THIS GUY
BRIAN.
THEY MET ONLINE THREE YEARS AGO.
THEY ARRANGED A MEET UP, AND HE
NEVER SHOWED UP, AND HE NEVER
PICKED UP HIS PHONE.
NOW HE'S SAYING, "I LOVE YOU.
MOVE TO ALABAMA TO BE WITH ME."
>> PRETTY BOLD AND BALLSY.
>> * IT'S JUST ANOTHER *
* IT'S JUST ANOTHER *
* COMPLICATED CASE
>> THANK YOU.
>> * DOWN THE ROAD
>> OKAY, MAX, LET'S ROCK AND
ROLL.
>> ALL RIGHT.
>> SO WHAT DO YOU WANT TO START
WITH?
>> LET'S JUST GO THROUGH HIS
FACEBOOK PAGE.
>> BINGO.
HE'S IN A RELATIONSHIP WITH
JESSE.
>> RIGHT.
>> 483 FRIENDS.
THAT'S RIGHT IN THE...
>> IT'S A HEALTHY NUMBER.
>> THE GOOD ZONE.
>> LOT OF PEOPLE POST.
>> LOT OF PEOPLE COMMENT.
>> OH, WAIT A SECOND HERE.
LET'S LOOK AT THIS.
THAT'S HIS BROTHER.
>> AND THAT'S HIM.
>> RIGHT.
U.S. MARINES.
AND LOOK, "CLARK, CLARK."
I MEAN, WHAT DO YOU THINK?
WHAT DO YOU THINK?
>> WELL, HERE.
WE'VE GOT A FACEBOOK PAGE.
HIS FAMILY IS TAGGED IN A TON OF
PHOTOS.
IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THIS GUY IS
TRYING TO FAKE WHO HE IS.
>> NOW, WHAT'S THAT ABOUT?
LOOK AT HIS NAME.
>> "ROBERT CLARK."
>> WHAT'S HIS NAME?
BRIAN CLARK.
>> MAYBE HIS NAME IS ROBERT
BRIAN CLARK.
>> COULD BE.
WHAT ARE THEY?
>> SO SOMEONE SAID, "I KNOW WHAT
THEY ARE.
I WAS THERE WHEN YOU GOT ONE OF
THEM.
PROUD YOU GOT PAST IT."
>> WHAT IS "JCSD"?
>> LET'S LOOK THAT UP.
>> "JUVENILE..."
>> "CLIENT SERVICES DIVISION."
>> JUVENILE COURT.
>> HE DID SOME TIME AT JUVIE.
OKAY, SO WAIT A SECOND, SO IF
THIS GUY'S FULL NAME IS ROBERT
BRIAN CLARK, MAYBE THERE'S MORE
WE CAN FIND OUT ABOUT HIM IF WE
LOOK UP "ROBERT BRIAN CLARK."
WAIT A SECOND, IMAGES.
>> WAIT, THERE'S ONE.
THAT LOOKS LIKE A MUG SHOT.
YEAH, LOOK.
>> YEAH.
>> "BUSTED LOCALS."
FROM NORTH CAROLINA.
WHEN IS THAT FROM?
IT'S JANUARY 29th, 2011.
>> WHICH IS WHEN SHE WENT TO
MEET HIM.
>> YEAH.
>> HE DID GET IN TROUBLE WITH
THE COPS.
>> WHAT WAS HE DOING?
>> both: "POSSESSION OF A WEAPON
OF MASS DESTRUCTION."
>> WHOA.
>> THAT'S PRETTY SCARY.
WHAT QUALIFIES AS A WEAPON OF
MASS DESTRUCTION?
>> SHOULD WE LOOK THAT UP?
"ANY WEAPON OR DEVICE THAT IS
INTENDED OR HAS THE CAPABILITY
TO CAUSE DEATH OR SERIOUS BODILY
INJURY TO A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER
OF PEOPLE."
>> SO IT COULD'VE BEEN, LIKE, A
BIOLOGICAL WEAPON.
>> "TOXIC OR POISONOUS
CHEMICALS."
>> "A DISEASE ORGANISM."
>> OR "RADIATION OR
RADIOACTIVITY."
WHAT WAS GOING ON THAT HE GOT
CAUGHT?
>> WELL, WE DON'T KNOW IF HE WAS
CONVICTED.
>> RIGHT.
SO THE ISSUE NOW IS MORE WHAT'S
THE DEAL WITH WHEN HE GOT
ARRESTED?
HE OBVIOUSLY NEVER FELT THE NEED
TO TELL HER ABOUT IT.
>> RIGHT, AND, LIKE, IT'S A BIG
STEP TO GO AND LIVE WITH A GUY
IN A STATE FAR AWAY FROM YOUR
HOME AND NOT KNOW HIS CRIMINAL
HISTORY.
>> WHY IS HE BEING SO SKETCHY?
>> I MEAN, HE WAS GOING TO MEET
HER WITH A WEAPON IN HIS CAR?
THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT
DON'T LINE UP ABOUT THIS GUY.
>> [knocking on door]
GOOD MORNING.
GUTEN MORGEN.
>> THERE'S A GROWING NUMBER OF
THINGS THAT WE'VE FOUND ABOUT
BRIAN THAT ALL SORT OF ADD UP TO
A KIND OF SHADY, QUESTIONABLE
CHARACTER.
>> WELL, FRAN SEEMS TO BE ONE OF
HIS, LIKE, BEST FRIENDS.
HE'S THE ONE THAT PUT THEM IN
TOUCH.
HE WAS LIVING WITH BRIAN THE
NIGHT THAT BRIAN GOT ARRESTED.
>> AND HE'S BEEN FRIENDS WITH
JESSE FOR A LONG TIME.
>> BUT HE COULD BE REALLY GOOD
FRIENDS WITH BRIAN.
HE'S NOT GOING TO, LIKE, PAINT
BRIAN TO BE THE PERSON THAT
MAYBE HE REALLY IS.
>> RIGHT.
>> AT THE SAME TIME, IF HE CARES
ANYTHING ABOUT JESSE, HE'LL BE
HONEST WITH US.
>> SO LET'S CALL JESSE AND SEE
IF SHE CAN HELP US ARRANGE A
MEETING WITH FRAN.
LET'S DO IT.
LET'S CALL HER.
[phone line rings]
HEY, GOOD MORNING.
SO WE THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL
TO SIT DOWN AND TALK TO FRAN.
IS THAT SOMETHING YOU THINK WE
COULD DO?
PERFECT, SO WE WILL MEET UP
WITH HIM.
WE'LL CHECK IN WITH YOU
AFTERWARDS.
BYE.
[phone line rings]
>> HELLO?
>> YEAH, HI, FRAN?
THIS IS NEV.
CAN YOU MEET UP WITH US
SOMEWHERE?
OKAY, WE'LL SEE YOU IN A LITTLE
BIT.
NEV.
>> I'M FRAN.
>> SO WHAT WOULD BE REALLY
HELPFUL IS IF YOU COULD EXPLAIN
HOW YOU GUYS MET.
>> BRIAN WAS OUR PLATOON
SERGEANT.
>> HE WAS YOUR PLATOON SERGEANT
IN AFGHANISTAN?
>> YEAH, IF IT WASN'T FOR HIM,
I DON'T THINK I WOULD HAVE CAME
HOME ALIVE.
>> REALLY?
>> IN AFGHANISTAN, HE WAS IN
CHARGE OF DOING, LIKE--LIKE,
RESCUE MISSIONS AND STUFF, SO...
IT WAS A NIGHTMARE OVER THERE.
LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE BOTH GOT
BLOWN UP A COUPLE TIMES IN OUR
TRUCKS, SO...
>> REALLY?
ARE YOU--DO YOU HAVE ANY
PERMANENT INJURIES?
>> I GOT TWO BLACK SPOTS ON MY
BRAIN, LIKE, FROM MY FRONTAL
LOBE, THAT AFFECTS MY SHORT-TERM
MEMORY.
>> WOW.
>> BUT I KNOW BRIAN'S GOT, LIKE,
HIS STUFF TOO, SO...
>> SIMILAR SORT OF THING?
>> YES.
T.B.I., AND, LIKE--WHICH IS
TRAUMATIC BRAIN INJURY--AND,
LIKE, PTSD.
OTHER THAN THAT, HE'S HEALTHY.
WHEN WE GOT BACK, BOTH OF US
WOUND UP GETTING DIVORCES.
>> HE WAS MARRIED?
>> NOT ANYMORE.
>> I DIDN'T KNOW BRIAN WAS
MARRIED.
>> I DIDN'T KNOW BRIAN WAS
MARRIED EITHER.
DOES JESSE KNOW THAT?
>> I DON'T KNOW.
HE SAW HER ON, LIKE, MY
FACEBOOK, AND THEY EXCHANGED
NUMBERS, AND THEY--I SENT THEM
ON THEIR WAY.
LIKE, THEY DID THEIR THING.
>> DO YOU CONSIDER HIM A CLOSE
FRIEND?
>> YEAH.
>> DO YOU TRUST HIM?
>> I'LL VOUCH FOR HIM.
HE'S A GOOD GUY.
>> YOU HELPED THEM ARRANGE
MEETING UP.
>> YEAH.
ONE FRIDAY NIGHT, SHE WAS
SUPPOSED TO DRIVE DOWN, AND THEN
BRIAN, HE GOT IN HIS CAR, AND
SAID HE WAS GOING TO GO MEET
UP WITH HER.
A COUPLE HOURS WENT BY, AND SHE
CALLS ME, CRYING ON THE PHONE
AND STUFF, AND THEN I TOLD HER
LIKE, "HEY," LIKE, "HE LEFT A
WHILE AGO."
HE SHOULD'VE BEEN THERE ALREADY.
LIKE--AND I DIDN'T HEAR NOTHING
FROM BRIAN.
I WAS TRYING TO GET A HOLD OF
HIM, LIKE, ALL WEEKEND.
I WENT TO WORK ON MONDAY
MORNING, AND I KEPT HEARING,
LIKE, DIFFERENT THINGS FROM
DIFFERENT PEOPLE.
LIKE, SOMEONE SAID THAT HE GOT
ARRESTED.
I HEARD THAT, OH, HE JUST GOT
PULLED OVER FOR SPEEDING AND HE
HAD HIS FLAK JACKET ON, AND
JUST, LIKE, THE BULLETPROOF VEST
THAT, YOU KNOW--
>> YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DRIVE
IN THOSE?
I MEAN, WHY WOULD HE GET IN
TROUBLE FOR THAT?
>> I COULDN'T EVEN TELL YOU.
>> NO?
>> NO.
>> WE KIND OF WERE INVESTIGATING
A LITTLE, AND WE FOUND HIS MUG
SHOT.
IT SAID THAT HE WAS ARRESTED FOR
BEING IN POSSESSION OF WEAPONS
OF MASS DESTRUCTION.
>> YOU WERE LIVING WITH HIM,
RIGHT?
SO, I MEAN, I'M SURE YOU GUYS
TALKED ABOUT IT.
>> NO.
>> BRIAN DOESN'T HAVE AN
OBSESSION WITH WEAPONS, OR,
LIKE, GRENADES--OR HE'S NOT,
LIKE, CRAZY?
>> I MEAN, HE DOES KNOW A LOT
ABOUT WEAPONS, BUT, LIKE, THAT'S
THE MAN'S BUSINESS.
LIKE, I DIDN'T--YOU KNOW WHAT
I'M SAYING?
>> DID HE GO TO PRISON?
DID HE GO TO JAIL?
>> NO, NO, HE DIDN'T GO.
>> DID HE GO TO COURT?
>> HE WAS MY PLATOON SERGEANT...
>> RIGHT.
>> SO, LIKE, I WOULDN'T, YOU
KNOW, STEP OUT OF MY PAY GRADE
AND SAY SOMETHING TO SOMEONE UP
HIGHER.
YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT--YOU KNOW,
NONE OF MY BUSINESS.
>> YEAH, I UNDERSTAND.
>> I DON'T KNOW, LIKE--
LIKE, TO THIS DAY I REALLY DON'T
KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.
>> SO WE'RE MEETING JESSE.
SHE DESERVES TO KNOW WHAT
HAPPENED THE NIGHT THEY WERE
SUPPOSED TO MEET.
>> WE HAVE TO TELL HER ABOUT
EVERYTHING THAT WE FOUND ABOUT
BRIAN.
WE JUST CAME FROM HANGING OUT
WITH FRAN.
>> RIGHT.
>> WELL, ONE THING, THOUGH, THAT
SURPRISED US, I THINK, THE MOST
WAS THAT BRIAN WAS MARRIED.
DID YOU KNOW THAT?
>> NO.
>> OKAY, WELL, ACCORDING TO
FRAN, BRIAN HAD BEEN MARRIED,
AND THEN, ACCORDING TO FRAN,
BRIAN GOT DIVORCED.
>> BRIAN NEVER TOLD ME.
>> ALSO, WE WENT TO HIS FACEBOOK
PAGE.
>> RIGHT.
>> AND WE WENT TO HIS PHOTOS,
AND WE JUST STARTED SCROLLING
THROUGH.
ONE PHOTO THAT'S BEEN ON HERE IS
THIS ONE.
IN THESE I.D. TAGS, HIS NAME IS
ROBERT CLARK.
HAVE YOU EVER TALKED ABOUT THAT
WITH HIM?
>> NO.
>> DID HE EVER MENTION HAVING TO
GO TO A JUVENILE DETENTION
CENTER?
>> NO.
>> NO?
>> SO WE DID A SEARCH FOR ROBERT
CLARK, AND SURE ENOUGH...
>> UGH.
>> HERE'S A MUG SHOT FOR ROBERT
BRIAN CLARK.
IT HAS THE DATE JANUARY 29th.
>> WOW.
>> IS THAT--
>> THE TIME WE MET.
>> THAT'S WHEN YOU WERE SUPPOSED
TO MEET HIM.
>> THE REALLY STRANGE AND
ALARMING PART OF THIS IS WHY IT
SAYS HE WAS ARRESTED: POSSESSION
OF A WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION.
>> OH, MY GOODNESS.
>> WHATEVER HE DID GET ARRESTED
FOR, AS FAR AS WE KNOW, HE NEVER
WENT TO JAIL, HE KEPT HIS JOB.
AND SO AS STRANGE AND UNSETTLING
AS IT MIGHT BE, IT COULD'VE BEEN
A SORT OF JUST WEIRD MIX-UP.
>> I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT TO SAY.
>> THIS IS SORT OF THE CRITICAL
MOMENT IN--IN YOUR LIFE, AND
REGARDING THIS RELATIONSHIP,
WHERE YOU NOW NEED TO DECIDE,
LIKE, OKAY, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO
DO?
>> WE WOULDN'T WANT TO SEND YOU
TO ALABAMA TO JUST HANG OUT WITH
THIS GUY IF WE WEREN'T SURE THAT
HE WAS SAFE, SO THAT'S SOMETHING
WE WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT FOR
YOU.
>> I WOULD DEFINITELY WANT TO
HEAR THE FULL STORY.
>> THE NEXT STEP IS TO REACH OUT
TO BRIAN.
I'D LIKE TO TRY TO GET YOU GUYS
TO FINALLY MEET EACH OTHER.
>> OKAY.
>> AND WE CAN SEE WHAT HE HAS TO
SAY FOR HIMSELF.
>> YEAH, CALL HIM.
[phone line ringing]
>> YEAH, HI, I'M LOOKING FOR
BRIAN.
MY NAME IS NEV.
I MAKE A SHOW CALLED CATFISH.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE HEARD OF
IT.
A COUPLE DAYS AGO, I GOT AN
EMAIL FROM JESSE, AND SHE
INFORMED ME THAT, LATELY, YOU'VE
BEEN TALKING A LOT.
YOU'D REALLY LIKE TO MEET EACH
OTHER.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN SHE TRIED TO
MEET YOU ONCE BEFORE, IT DIDN'T
WORK OUT, SO SHE ASKED ME FOR
MY HELP.
>> I MEAN, IT'S KIND OF A CRAZY
THING TO--TO CONSIDER.
>> DEFINITELY.
THIS SUCKS.
>> YEAH.
>> IF THIS IS REALLY THE ONE FOR
ME, THEN, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO
FIND OUT.
>> WE DID SEE THAT YOU WERE
ARRESTED BACK ON THE WEEKEND
THAT YOU WERE PLANNING TO MEET
UP WITH HER, BUT--
WELL, LOOK, LISTEN, I MEAN, I
THINK THE SMARTEST MOVE HERE
WOULD PROBABLY TO BE TO BRING
JESSE TO YOU AND JUST MAKE SURE
THAT, BEFORE ANYBODY GETS TOO
AHEAD OF THEMSELVES, WE KIND OF
CLEAR--CLEAR THE AIR AND MAKE
SURE EVERYONE'S ON THE SAME
PAGE.
YEAH, WELL, I THINK WE CAN.
BYE.
[sighs]
I SPOKE TO BRIAN.
>> OKAY.
>> BASICALLY, I SAID TO HIM, I
WAS LIKE, "LOOK, IF YOU'RE
READY..."
>> LET'S GO.
>> "AND THIS IS WHAT YOU WANT
TO DO, THEN, LIKE, I DON'T SEE
ANY REASON WHY WE SHOULD WAIT
ANY LONGER."
GET YOUR STUFF TOGETHER, AND WE
WILL PICK YOU UP IN THE MORNING.
>> TOMORROW?
>> WELL, YEAH, I MEAN, THE NEXT
FLIGHT TO ALABAMA IS...
>> TOMORROW MORNING.
>> TOMORROW.
>> SERIOUSLY?
>> both: YEAH.
>> [knocking on door]
>> HELLO AGAIN.
>> HEY.
HI, NICE TO MEET YOU.
>> HI. DENISE.
>> THAT'S NEV.
>> I'M NEV.
>> NICE TO MEET YOU.
>> THIS IS MAX.
>> HI, I'M MAX.
>> both: NICE TO MEET YOU.
>> SO WHAT DO YOU THINK OF WHAT
WE'RE DOING?
>> ALL THIS CRAZINESS?
>> YEAH.
YOU SURE YOU'RE OKAY WITH ALL
THIS?
>> I THINK IT'S A GREAT THING
FOR HER TO START OVER SOMEWHERE
NEW, BUT I JUST FEEL LIKE,
OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S THINGS THAT
HE HASN'T TOLD HER.
>> IF IT DOES WORK OUT, I THINK
THINGS WILL GO VERY WELL, AND IF
IT DOESN'T WORK OUT, COME BACK
HOME, START FRESH AGAIN.
>> AS A PARENT, YOU WANT WHAT'S
BEST FOR YOUR CHILD, SO IF SHE'S
HAPPY THERE, IT COULD END UP
TURNING INTO A GOOD THING FOR
HER.
>> WELL, WE'LL SEE.
ALL RIGHT, LET'S GET GOING.
YOUR CHARIOT AWAITS.
>> SAYONARA, SUCKERS.
>> I CAN'T BREATHE.
>> * 'CAUSE I CAN NEVER *
*I CAN NEVER *
>> OH, BY THE WAY, I'M DEATHLY
AFRAID OF AIRPLANES.
>> OH.
>> * WON'T YOU PLEASE *
* STAY CLOSE TO ME
*
>> WE'RE HERE.
WE MADE IT.
>> * COME CLOSE
* I CAN'T DO THIS ON MY OWN *
*
>> SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND IS
THAT NEITHER JESSE OR BRIAN
HAVE EVER SPENT ANY TIME
TOGETHER.
>> WE REALLY DON'T KNOW WHO THIS
GUY IS.
HE'S BEEN THROUGH A WAR.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT HE'S DEALING
WITH.
>> ALL RIGHT, WELL, LET'S GET TO
IT.
[knocks]
WOW.
HELLO.
>> HI.
>> HOW ARE YOU FEELING?
>> GOOD.
>> ARE YOU, LIKE, BUTTERFLIES?
>> A LITTLE BIT, BECAUSE IT
HASN'T HIT ME.
I FEEL LIKE WHEN I SEE HIM, THEN
I'M GOING TO BE LIKE, "HOLY
[bleep]."
SORRY.
>> THAT'S OKAY.
>> HOLY BLEEP.
>> THEY'LL BLEEP IT.
>> JUST REMEMBER...
>> MY GUARD'S UP.
>> KEEP YOUR GUARD UP.
>> DEFINITELY.
>> THERE'S A LOT RIDING ON THIS
TO HOPEFULLY DETERMINE THAT YOU
EITHER WILL WANT TO COME DOWN
HERE AND MAYBE START A
RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM, OR NOT.
>> SO WE'RE GOING RIGHT NOW?
>> MM-HMM, YEAH.
>> OKAY.
ALL RIGHT.
I JUST--I'M NERVOUS.
I FEEL LIKE I SHOULD BRUSH MY
HAIR EVERY TWO SECONDS...
>> NO, IT'S--YOU LOOK GREAT.
>> BRING ALL MY MAKE-UP WITH ME.
NO, I DON'T WANT TO GO.
>> NOW YOU DON'T WANT TO GO?
THIS IS IT.
ONCE WE LEAVE, WE'RE LEAVING.
>> COME ON, LET'S GO.
AHH!
I CAN'T BELIEVE I'M REALLY
ABOUT TO MEET HIM.
>> HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT THIS
MOMENT?
>> I DIDN'T THINK IT WOULD
REALLY EVER HAPPEN.
I'M FEELING MY HEARTBEAT RIGHT
NOW.
OH, MY GOD.
>> ALL RIGHT, SO THIS--THIS IS
IT.
>> I CAN'T BREATHE.
LITERALLY, MY HEART'S GETTING
FASTER AND FASTER.
COME ON, CAN I GET OUT?
>> ALL RIGHT, YEAH, LET'S DO IT.
>> LET'S GO.
>> ALL RIGHT, SO YOU HANG HERE.
>> STAND HERE, STAND HERE.
>> AND I'LL--I'LL GET HIM,
AND...
OKAY?
GOOD?
>> I'M HIDING.
>> YOU GONNA HIDE BEHIND MAX?
[knocks]
>> HE'S COMING OUT NOW.
>> OH, HEY, MAN.
>> HELLO? HEY.
>> HOW YOU DOING?
>> HOW'S IT GOING? HOW ARE YOU?
>> GOOD TO MEET YOU.
>> GOOD--NICE TO FINALLY MEET
YOU TOO.
NEV, RIGHT?
>> THAT'S RIGHT.
>> HEY, HOW'S IT GOING, MAN?
HOW ARE YOU?
>> ROBERT? BRIAN?
>> BRIAN, YEAH.
I GO BY BRIAN, YEAH.
>> COOL.
WELL, YOU CAN'T SEE HER, BUT
JESSE IS HIDING BEHIND MAX.
>> IS SHE?
>> SHE'S PRETTY NERVOUS.
>> [chuckles]
>> THERE SHE IS.
>> OH, MY GOD!
>> AHH!
[both laughing]
>> HOW ARE YOU?
HEY.
>> OH, MY GOD.
>> HOW ARE YOU?
>> ABOUT TO HAVE A HEART ATTACK.
>> LOOK AT YOU, YOU LITTLE SWEET
THING.
>> I TOLD YOU I WAS SCARED.
>> WHAT DO YOU THINK?
>> THIS IS CRAZY.
>> YOU LIKE IT?
>> STOP!
>> [laughs]
>> OH, MY GOD.
THIS IS NUTS.
>> IT IS.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BRINGING
HER DOWN HERE, AGAIN.
>> WE WEREN'T SURE WHAT TO
EXPECT.
I MEAN, YOU NEVER REALLY KNOW
WHEN THAT DOOR'S GOING TO SWING
OPEN.
>> I GUESS I GOT A LITTLE
EXPLAINING TO DO ON A FEW
THINGS, AND COME ON.
YOU WANT TO COME CHECK IT OUT?
>> YEAH, SHOW US AROUND.
>> YOU NERVOUS?
>> I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT TO SAY
RIGHT NOW.
>> [laughs]
>> YOU LIKE THE FLOWERS THAT I
PUT UP FOR YOU?
>> LET'S JUST GET THE BIG
QUESTIONS OUT OF THE WAY.
THE BIG REASON WHY JESSE CAME TO
US FOR HELP TO BEGIN WITH WAS
BECAUSE SHE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT
WHY THAT FIRST TIME YOU GUYS
TRIED TO MEET DIDN'T WORK OUT.
>> IT'S JUST KIND OF STRANGE
THAT YOU WERE GOING TO MEET HER
WITH WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION
ON YOU.
>> WELL, LET ME PUT IT TO YOU
LIKE THIS.
I WAS ON MY WAY, AND I PULLED
INTO A GAS STATION TO GET GAS
BEFORE I WENT TO MEET YOU.
I HAD JUST GOT BACK FROM DOING
THE RIFLE RANGE.
I KNOW THIS IS GOING TO SOUND,
YOU KNOW, KIND OF AWFUL.
I RAN OVER, WHERE THE BIG TANKER
TRUCKS FILL UP THE GAS TANKS,
THE LITTLE HOLES.
>> YEAH.
>> I RAN OVER ONE OF THOSE.
IT SHIFTED, AND MADE A DOO-DUM-
DOOMP KIND OF NOISE.
IT HIT ME.
I MEAN, IT WAS LIKE--IT WAS JUST
LIKE I WAS THERE IN MUSA QALA,
AFGHANISTAN.
IT WAS JUST LIKE I RAN OVER AN
IED, AND I WAS--YOU KNOW, THE
DUST WAS CLEARING.
I WAS RIGHT THERE.
I COULD SEE THE SCENES, AND IT
KEPT FLICKERING BACK IN MY MIND
LIKE I WAS SWITCHING IN AND OUT.
LIKE, I WOULD LOOK AT MY SIDE
MIRROR, AND THERE WOULD BE
AFGHANISTAN, YOU KNOW, BUT THEN
I'D LOOK AROUND, AND THERE'S
PEOPLE WALKING AROUND THE GAS
STATION, AND I COULDN'T DECIPHER
BETWEEN WHAT WAS REAL AND WHAT
WAS FAKE.
SO IN AFGHANISTAN, I ALWAYS WORE
MY FLAK JACKET, SO I IMMEDIATELY
GOT IN THE PASSENGER SIDE AND
PUT MY VEST ON.
WELL, A GUY THAT WAS ACTUALLY
THERE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT IT,
AND HE WAS ASKING ME, "BUDDY,
ARE YOU OKAY?
BUDDY, ARE YOU OKAY?"
I JUST KIND OF, LIKE, FREAKED
OUT.
THE GUY ACTUALLY CALLED THE
COPS, AND THE COPS ASKED ME IF I
HAD ANY GUNS IN THE CAR.
WELL, I HAD A SAWED-OFF SHOTGUN
THAT WAS BROKEN DOWN IN A
BACKPACK IN MY TRUNK.
IN THE STATE OF ALABAMA, IF YOU
HAVE A SHOTGUN THAT IS SAWED
OFF, YOU'RE GOOD TO GO, BUT IN
NORTH CAROLINA, IF YOU ALTER IT
IN ANY WAY, IT'S CALLED WEAPONS
OF MASS DESTRUCTION, AND THAT'S
WHAT I GOT CHARGED WITH--
POSSESSION WEAPONS OF MASS
DESTRUCTION.
WITH THE BARREL BEING ALTERED,
THEY HAD TO ARREST ME FOR THAT,
SO I ACTUALLY DIDN'T GET CHARGED
WITH IT, BUT THAT'S WHAT I WAS
INITIALLY ARRESTED WITH, AND
ONCE MY CHAIN OF COMMAND FOUND
OUT, THEY CAME AND GOT ME OUT OF
JAIL.
THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED.
I WAS DIAGNOSED LATER ON WITH
POST TRAUMATIC STRESS SYNDROME.
I STARTED GOING TO PTSD
COUNSELING, WHICH HELPED OUT A
LOT.
YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SOME CRAZY,
YOU KNOW, MANIAC WITH A GUN.
IT JUST WAS--IT WAS AN EPISODE
THAT I HAD.
I'VE WORKED MY WAY INTO A
PRODUCTIVE MEMBER OF SOCIETY
NOW.
>> AND I'M JUST CURIOUS WHY YOU
DIDN'T EXPLAIN IT TO HER THEN.
>> IT WAS HARD FOR ME TO TRY TO
TELL SOMEBODY, "HEY, I'M GOING
THROUGH PTSD" WHEN I DIDN'T
EVEN KNOW WHAT IT WAS AT THE
TIME.
I'M SORRY TO HAVE DRAWN IT OUT.
I'M NOT TRYING TO JUSTIFY IT,
BUT THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED.
>> YOU KNOW, YOU SHOULDN'T...
FEEL EMBARRASSED ABOUT THAT AT
ALL.
I DON'T LOOK AT IT AS SOMETHING
CRAZY.
I JUST KNOW IT'S SOMETHING YOU
HAVE TO WORK THROUGH, AND YOU'VE
BEEN A LOYAL AND GENUINE GUY,
AND I JUST DON'T SEE THAT IN
YOU, AND YOU SEEM TO BE A
DIFFERENT--DIFFERENT MAN.
>> THANK YOU.
>> WELL, ONE THING THAT'S STILL
NOT SO UNDERSTANDABLE IS YOUR
SHOCKING ENTHUSIASM...
>> YES.
>> TO GET SO SERIOUS SO FAST.
>> I'VE ALWAYS LIKED JESS.
I'VE ALWAYS CARED FOR JESS, BUT
I HAD A LOT OF ISSUES THAT I HAD
TO DEAL WITH.
HERE A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, IT
JUST STARTED SEEMING POSSIBLE
AGAIN.
AND ANOTHER THING IS I WAS
MARRIED WHEN WE WERE GOING TO
MEET, AND THIS--
>> WHEN WE WERE GONNA MEET?
>> WHEN WE WERE GONNA MEET, AND
THIS--THIS IS IT.
I FILED FOR A DIVORCE, LIKE, A
WEEK WITH BEING BACK FROM
AFGHANISTAN, SO WHEN WE MEET, I
WAS LEGALLY SEPARATED, BUT I
WASN'T HONEST ABOUT MY WIFE.
I WASN'T HONEST ABOUT, YOU KNOW,
A LOT OF THINGS THAT WERE GOING
ON, AND I DON'T WANT TO START
THIS RELATIONSHIP OFF WITH LIES.
THIS IS WHY I WANTED TO MEET YOU
FACE TO FACE AND EXPLAIN TO
YOU, YOU KNOW, UP CLOSE WHAT,
YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS GOING ON.
I MEAN, IS IT--THAT SOMETHING WE
CAN WORK THROUGH?
I MEAN...
>> I DON'T KNOW, UM...
FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO COME CLEAN
ABOUT ALL THIS, AND BE ABLE TO
TELL EVERYONE, I MEAN, THAT DOES
MEAN A LOT TO ME, AND YOU KNOW,
I DON'T WANT TO HOLD THAT
AGAINST YOU.
I MEAN, THINGS HAPPEN.
I JUST WANT TO KNOW THAT I'D BE
ABLE TO TRUST YOU.
>> I WILL SHOW YOU THAT HEY,
LOOK, YOU CAN TRUST ME.
SO HERE'S OUR SECOND CHANCE, AND
I'M SORRY ABOUT THE FIRST
IMPRESSION, BUT, I MEAN...
>> IT'S ALL RIGHT.
I FORGIVE YOU.
>> FROM MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE,
I ENCOURAGE YOU TO REALLY WORK
TOWARDS BEING AS OPEN AS YOU CAN
ABOUT THE STRUGGLES THAT YOU'VE
GONE THROUGH AND OVERCOME.
>> THERE IS NO SHAME IN
DISCUSSING HOW YOU FEEL OR THE
PROBLEMS THAT YOU HAVE.
>> THANKS FOR YOUR SERVICE.
>> THANK YOU.
THANK YOU.
>> IS THIS EXPLANATION CLEARING
THE AIR?
ARE YOU FEELING--
>> YEAH, I MEAN, I FEEL A LOT
BETTER ABOUT THINGS.
>> I'M GLAD YOU FEEL BETTER.
I AM RELIEVED.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO DEFINITELY
SEE WHERE IT GOES.
>> WITH THESE NEXT COUPLE OF
DAYS, I HOPE THAT I CAN SHOW YOU
AROUND AND KIND OF GET YOU
COMFORTABLE.
>> YEAH.
>> COME ON, BABY.
WE CAN GO SEE THE HORSES.
>> IS THAT THEM?
>> YEAH.
>> I LIKE HIM.
I THINK HE'S A GOOD GUY.
THE EXPLANATION FOR WHAT
HAPPENED IS TOTALLY
UNDERSTANDABLE.
IT WAS THREE YEARS AGO.
HE SEEMS TO HAVE COME A LONG
WAY.
OUR JOB IS DONE.
>> MAX.
>> YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO GO.
YOU GUYS CAN SPEND THE AFTERNOON
TOGETHER, WHATEVER FEELS RIGHT.
>> ALL RIGHT.
>> TAKE GOOD CARE OF HER.
>> Y'ALL HAVE A GOOD TIME.
AWESOME.
HAVE FUN.
>> BYE, GUYS.
>> I DON'T HAVE EVERYTHING, BUT
I'M COMFORTABLE.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING?
I DON'T HAVE A FANCY CAR, BUT,
YOU KNOW, I FEEL LIKE I HAVE
SOME THINGS TO OFFER, YOU KNOW,
TO YOU, AND, YOU KNOW...
>> I DON'T CARE IF WE'RE IN A
FRIGGIN' BOX.
LIKE, I JUST WANT TO BE WITH
YOU, I JUST WANT TO BE HAPPY.
>> WELL, I'M JUST GLAD YOU'RE
HERE, AND I DO WANT TO GIVE THIS
A SHOT.
>> * WHERE MY LOVE LIES
>> I LOVE YOU.
>> I LOVE YOU.
>> * WHERE MY LOVE LIES
*
>> AND NOW, MORE CATFISH: THE
TV SHOW.
STICK AROUND.
>> RISE AND SHINE.
>> HELLO.
>> GOOD MORNING.
>> GOOD MORNING.
>> MORNING.
WE GOTTA DISH.
>> RIGHT?
IT WENT REALLY GOOD.
I JUST DIDN'T PICTURE IT TO BE
SO COMFORTABLE, YOU KNOW, AND
HAVE IT BE LIKE I'VE KNOWN YOU
FOREVER.
>> THAT'S GREAT.
SO AFTER DINNER, YOU GUYS FOOLED
AROUND A LITTLE?
>> WE KISSED.
YEAH, I MEAN, YOU KNOW.
YOU GOT TO TEST DRIVE THE CAR
BEFORE YOU BUY IT.
>> WHOA!
>> WHOA, WHAT?
>> [exaggerated gasp]
[laughter]
>> BECAUSE THAT'S THE FIRST TIME
THAT'S EVER HAPPENED ON THIS
SHOW, AND THAT'S A BIG DEAL FOR
US.
>> NO, IT'S NOT.
>> both: IT IS!
>> I MEAN, IF I'M GOING TO MOVE
HERE, I GOT TO KNOW HOW IT GOES.
>> SO WAIT--SO GREAT.
I MEAN, LOOK, WE DON'T HAVE MUCH
MORE TIME HERE, SO I THINK WE
SHOULD FIND OUT WHAT HE'S GOT
PLANNED FOR THE DAY.
[phone line rings]
>> HELLO.
WHAT'S GOING ON TODAY?
>> GOOD MORNING, BABE.
>> MORNING.
>> HOW ARE YOU?
COME ON, SAVANNAH.
>> AW, THE TRUNK.
>> YOU GUYS READY FOR AN
ADVENTURE AT THE LAKE?
>> OH, YEAH.
[dog barking]
>> HI.
>> HOW'S IT GOING?
THIS IS MY MOTHER, CONNIE.
>> HI, JESSE, IT'S NICE TO MEET
YOU.
>> NICE TO MEET YOU FINALLY.
>> both: NICE TO MEET YOU.
>> DO YOU THINK BRIAN'S WHAT YOU
EXPECTED, OR DO YOU THINK YOU'RE
SURPRISED?
>> HE'S MORE THAN I EXPECTED.
>> IN A GOOD WAY?
>> YES.
>> OH, GOOD.
all: AWW.
>> WELL, YOU'RE CUTER THAN I
THOUGHT.
>> [laughs]
>> WHEN BRIAN GIVES YOU HIS
HEART, HE GIVES IT 100%.
>> I JUST NEVER PICTURED MYSELF
IN THIS SITUATION.
IT'S NOT, LIKE, HOW I PLANNED
OUT MY LIFE.
>> YEAH, BUT SOMETIMES, YOU
KNOW, RISKS ARE WORTH TAKING.
>> YEAH, WELL, I DID A RISK FOR
HIM BEFORE.
>> YEAH, THAT DIDN'T ALMOST COME
OUT REAL GOOD, DID IT?
OF COURSE, HE'S IN A DIFFERENT
PLACE THAN HE WAS WHEN THAT
HAPPENED.
>> YEAH.
>> IT ALL HAPPENED FOR A REASON,
SO--AND I BELIEVE THAT.
>> SO DO I.
>> Y'ALL WANT TO EAT?
[laughter]
>> GRAB SOME CHEESE.
>> OKAY, HERE YOU GO.
>> I WANT TO.
>> OH, THOSE WORMS ARE ESCAPING.
>> * ALL I HAVE
* IS LOVE TO GIVE
* WON'T YOU TELL ME *
* YOU'RE THE ONE FOR ME *
>> OH, HE'S ALREADY GOT IT. GO.
OHH! LOOK HOW LITTLE THAT IS.
>> I GOT A LITTLE BABY!
>> HOW YOU FEELING ABOUT THIS
WHOLE WEEKEND?
>> UM, SO FAR, SO GOOD.
I MEAN, AND THE FACT THAT SHE'S
GOOD WITH THE FAMILY, THAT MEANS
A LOT TO ME, OBVIOUSLY, SO I
THINK WE CAN MAKE IT WORK OUT.
>> SO YOU'RE STILL FEELING LIKE
MOVING FORWARD FOR SURE?
>> OH, YEAH, DEFINITELY.
AND I HOPE SHE FEELS THE SAME
WAY.
>> ARE YOU SAD TO GO?
>> CAN YOU JUST LEAVE ME HERE?
[laughs]
AW, MAYBE I'LL BE BACK.
>> IT WAS GOOD TO MEET YOU.
>> PROMISE ME YOU'LL BE BACK.
>> PLEASE--YEAH, PLEASE COME
BACK.
>> AWW.
>> AM I COMING BACK?
>> YEAH, YOU ARE.
YOU'RE DEFINITELY COMING BACK,
SO...
[overlapping chatter]
>> COME ON, FAMILY.
>> ALL RIGHT, BYE.
>> ALL RIGHT, LET'S DO IT.
>> WELL, BABE, THEY OBVIOUSLY
LOVED YOU, SO YEAH.
>> I'M REALLY GLAD I GOT TO MEET
THEM.
>> OKAY, BACK HOME.
>> GREAT, GREAT WEEKEND.
>> REALLY GOOD TO MEET YOU.
>> YEAH, I APPRECIATE Y'ALL
MAKING THIS HAPPEN, FOR REAL.
ALL RIGHT, SEE YOU LATER.
>> SEE YOU IN THE CAR.
>> THANK YOU.
>> BYE, GUYS.
[sighs]
>> [groaning]
>> [chuckles]
>> ALL RIGHT.
>> ALL RIGHT.
LOOK, IT'S NOT THE END.
IT'S THE BEGINNING OF SOMETHING,
SO...
[sighs]
>> DON'T CRY.
>> I'M NOT CRYING.
YOU'RE SILLY.
>> I LOVE YOU.
>> I LOVE YOU.
>> * FILL THIS LIFE
* WITH YOU PLUS ME
>> GONNA BE OKAY.
YOU'LL BE BACK.
OKAY, BABY?
GOOD-BYE.
>> BYE.
>> BYE, GUYS.
>> WOW.
>> * AND WE WILL FIND
* A PLACE AND TIME
* I'M GOING DOWN THIS ROAD *
* WITH YOU
* RUNNING DOWN THIS ROAD
>> BYE, BABY!
[blows kiss]
>> * RUNNING DOWN THIS ROAD
* WITH YOU
* FOLLOWING OUR HEART
* WILL LEAD
* TO FILL MY LIFE
* WITH YOU PLUS ME
[phone line rings]
>> OORAH.
>> AT EASE, SOLDIER.
>> OORAH.
>> WHAT'S GOING ON, GUYS?
HOW YOU DOING?
>> GOOD, HOW ARE YOU?
>> ARE YOU GUYS STILL TOGETHER?
>> [exhales]
WE'RE STILL--WE'RE STILL TRYING
TO WORK THINGS OUT, YEAH.
I THOUGHT SHE WOULD HAVE BEEN
DOWN HERE BY NOW, BUT, YOU KNOW,
I'M STILL WILLING TO HAVE HER
COME DOWN AND POSSIBLY START A
NEW FAMILY.
>> I HOPE IT WORKS OUT,
WHATEVER--WHATEVER HAPPENS.
>> ALL RIGHT, MAN, THANKS.
both: LATER.
>> HEY, JESSE, HOW ARE YOU?
>> STILL IN P.A.
>> WHY ARE YOU STILL THERE?
>> I WAS GOING TO SURPRISE HIM
AND GO THERE TONIGHT, BUT...
>> AWW.
>> MY SURPRISE BLEW UP IN MY
FACE, AND HE WAS VERY ANGRY,
AND HE WAS LIKE, "WHERE THE
HELL HAVE YOU BEEN?
I'M SICK OF WAITING FOR YOU."
AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO
HAPPEN.
>> WELL, WE JUST SPOKE TO HIM.
HE WANTS TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO
MAKE IT WORK, AND HE WANTS YOU
TO COME DOWN THERE.
WOULD YOU MIND IF WE ADD HIM TO
THIS?
>> WELL, I'M SCARED.
>> DON'T BE SCARED.
[phone line rings]
>> HERE HE COMES.
HELLO.
>> HEY.
>> HEY.
>> JESS WAS REALLY PLANNING ON
GETTING IN HER CAR AND DRIVING
DOWN THERE TO BE WITH YOU.
>> I HAD JUST SAID THAT I WAS
READY TO COME THERE RIGHT WHEN
I HUNG UP.
>> IF YOU'RE PACKED AND YOU'RE
READY TO GO, YOU'VE BEEN MY
PRIORITY SINCE DAY ONE, AND I'M
READY FOR YOU TO BE HERE.
>> SO IF I COME DOWN THERE, I
WANT TO BRING IT ALL, WHETHER
I'M THERE FOR A WEEK OR NOT.
>> ALL RIGHT.
THAT SOUNDS LIKE A--THAT SOUNDS
LIKE A PLAN.
>> YES.
>> WELL, THANKS--THANKS, GUYS.
>> ALL RIGHT, GUYS, GOOD LUCK
WITH EVERYTHING.
>> BYE.
>> SEE YOU GUYS.
>> WE GOT AN EMAIL HERE.
I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO MEET JESS
BECAUSE WE ARE BOTH IN A
RELATIONSHIP.
>> THIS IS CRAZY.
>> I FEEL LIKE SHE CARES ABOUT
ME.
I FEEL LIKE SHE'S SOMEBODY I CAN
TRUST.
>> WE GO TO IMAGE SEARCH.
AND--OH, HERE.
>> OH, OH, BOOM.
>> OH, [bleep].
>> AH, [bleep].
>> LET'S GET OUR HEADS IN THE
GAME RIGHT NOW 'CAUSE THIS IS
ABOUT TO GET REAL.
>> [groans]
>> HERE'S A CAR.
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