Wicked Attraction (2008–…): Season 1, Episode 8 - Kidnapped - full transcript

HURRY UP.

I GOT IT.

ON MARCH 14, 1998,

LOS ANGELES POLICE
RECEIVE A 911 CALL

ABOUT A GRISLY DISCOVERY.

THERE WAS A TRANSIENT
THAT WAS IN THE ALLEY

DIGGING THROUGH THE DUMPSTER...

...CAME ACROSS A BODY.

A WHITE MALE WRAPPED
IN GARBAGE BAGS

IS INSIDE THE DUMPSTER.

HE WAS CURLED UP
IN A SEMI-FETAL POSITION.



THERE WAS NO IDENTIFICATION
ON THE VICTIM.

HE WAS ONLY WEARING A BLUE
SHIRT, PANTS, AND UNDERWEAR.

THERE WAS NOTHING ELSE
ON THE VICTIM... NO SHOES.

THE BOTTOM OF HIS FEET
WERE CLEAN,

WHICH INDICATED TO US

THAT THIS WAS PROBABLY
A BODY DUMP

AND THE MURDER HAD OCCURRED
SOMEWHERE ELSE.

WE SAW A STARLIKE PATTERN,

WHICH INDICATED TO US
IT WAS PROBABLY A CONTACT

OR CLOSE SHOT
TO THE BACK OF HIS HEAD.

POLICE CANVASS THE AREA,

BUT NO ONE SAW
OR HEARD ANYTHING.

THEY SEND THE BODY
TO THE CORONER'S OFFICE

FOR AN AUTOPSY
AND IDENTIFICATION.



THE VICTIM IS IDENTIFIED
BY HIS FINGERPRINTS.

HE WAS DAVID KAZDIN,

A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER
IN THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY.

A FEW YEARS EARLIER,

KAZDIN HAD WORKED
FOR AN INSURANCE COMPANY.

IN THE INSURANCE INDUSTRY,
PEOPLE ARE FINGERPRINTED,

AND THOSE FINGERPRINTS
ARE ON FILE.

THE MEDICAL EXAMINER
REMOVES A .22-CALIBER BULLET

FROM THE BACK OF KAZDIN'S NECK.

OFFICERS GO TO THE VICTIM'S HOME

ABOUT 20 MILES FROM WHERE
KAZDIN'S BODY IS DISCOVERED.

DAVID KAZDIN'S CHILDREN
HAVE ALREADY BEEN NOTIFIED

AND ARE WAITING FOR THE POLICE.

THEY WERE
VERY EMOTIONALLY DISTRESSED,

BUT, AT THE SAME TIME, WILLING
TO PROVIDE US WITH INFORMATION.

KAZDIN'S DAUGHTER TELLS POLICE

SHE HAD JUST FILED
A MISSING-PERSONS REPORT

FOR HER FATHER THE DAY BEFORE.

SHE HADN'T HEARD
FROM HIM SINCE THURSDAY...

TWO DAYS PRIOR.

HER AND HER BROTHER HAD NOTED

THAT THEIR FATHER'S VEHICLE
WAS MISSING FROM THE GARAGE,

AS WELL AS DAMAGE
TO A SMALL SLUMPSTONE WALL

JUST OUTSIDE THE DRIVEWAY.

THEY ASK
IF THEIR FATHER HAD ANY ENEMIES.

THE CHILDREN ARE QUICK
TO IMPLICATE

65-YEAR-OLD SANTE KIMES
AND HER 23-YEAR-OLD SON, KENNY.

THEY PRESENTED US WITH A LETTER

THAT HE HAD WRITTEN
SEVERAL DAYS PRIOR,

INDICATING THAT HE DIDN'T
WANT TO COOPERATE WITH THE KIMES

IN A PARTICULAR
LOAN-FRAUD SCHEME.

KAZDIN'S DAUGHTER

DOESN'T KNOW THE SPECIFICS
OF THE SCHEME,

BUT RECALLS
A STRANGE CONVERSATION

SHE'D HAD WITH HER FATHER
JUST DAYS BEFORE HE DISAPPEARED.

HIS DAUGHTER
WAS OVER AT HIS HOUSE,

AND THERE WAS A CAR
THAT WAS OUT FRONT,

AND HE WAS
VERY SUSPICIOUS OF IT.

AND HE HAD TOLD HIS DAUGHTER,

"IF YOU EVER SEE THAT CAR,
DON'T GO OUTSIDE."

KAZDIN HAD KNOWN
THE KIMES FAMILY FOR MANY YEARS.

HE'D BEEN FRIENDS WITH
MILLIONAIRE KEN KIMES, SR.,

SINCE 1974

WHEN KAZDIN HAD WORKED ON AN
INSURANCE CLAIM FOR THE FAMILY.

AFTER KEN'S DEATH
FOUR YEARS EARLIER,

KAZDIN LOST TOUCH
WITH KEN'S WIFE, SANTE,

AND SON KENNY, JR...

UNTIL LATELY.

HE HAD BEEN THREATENED
BY THEM RECENTLY

VIA TELEPHONE MESSAGES...

PERSONAL APPEARANCES...

AND LETTERS
THAT HE WAS TO WATCH OUT

AND GO ALONG WITH THEIR PLANS.

KAZDIN'S DAUGHTER
GIVES THEM PAPERWORK

AND BANK STATEMENTS
TO HELP THEM INVESTIGATE

THE LOAN-FRAUD SCHEME
MENTIONED IN THE LETTER.

LATER THAT DAY,

DETECTIVES PUT OUT AN APB
ON KAZDIN'S MISSING CAR.

THEY CHECK INTO THE BACKGROUND

OF SANTE KIMES
AND HER SON KENNY, JR.

THEY SOON FIND THAT ONE OF THEM
HAS A LENGTHY RAP SHEET.

IT'S NOT KENNY.
IT'S HIS MOTHER.

SANTE KIMES WAS
A VERY INTERESTING INDIVIDUAL.

SHE HAD SERVED TIME

FOR INVOLUNTARY SERVITUDE,
OR SLAVERY.

THIS WAS THE MOST RECENT CASE
SINCE CIVIL WAR TIMES.

SHE HAD ALSO BEEN INCARCERATED
FOR THEFT AND FRAUD.

SHE HAD A PATTERN

OF LURING MEXICAN
AND LATIN-AMERICAN IMMIGRANTS

WITH PROMISES
OF GOOD TREATMENT, TRAVEL,

AND, FOR THE MOST PART,
SHE LIED ABOUT EVERYTHING.

SANTE IS WHAT MIGHT BE
REFERRED TO

AS A TRUE PSYCHOPATH
OR A PRIMARY PSYCHOPATH,

AND THAT IS SOMEONE
THAT'S VERY COLD,

EMOTIONLESS, CUNNING,
NOT EASILY AGITATED OR UPSET,

BUT VERY MANIPULATIVE
AND VERY CALLOUS.

MY MOTHER HAD NO FEAR.
NOTHING FRIGHTENED HER.

SHE WAS A COMBINATION
OF INTELLIGENCE, WIT, CHARISMA,

AND SHE COULD USE IT
FOR GOOD OR FOR BAD.

SO MUCH IS STILL
UNKNOWN ABOUT HER CHILDHOOD.

SHE HAD VARIOUS STORIES THAT SHE
WOULD TELL THROUGH THE YEARS.

SHE SOMETIMES WOULD USE
THE STORY OF HER CHILDHOOD TO...

GATHER SYMPATHY.

AFTER BEING BORN
IN THE OKLAHOMA DUST BOWL,

LIKE MANY FARMERS IN THE 1930s,

HER FAMILY
MIGRATED TO CALIFORNIA.

HER FATHER HAD PASSED AWAY,

AND SHE WAS LEFT IN THE CARE
OF HER MOTHER,

AND THEY WERE NOT
DOING WELL AT ALL.

MONEY WAS TIGHT.

THERE WAS RUMORS
OF HER WALKING THE STREETS,

STEALING FOOD TO EAT.

A BRIEF MARRIAGE
RIGHT AFTER HIGH SCHOOL

ENDS IN DIVORCE.

SHE MARRIES AGAIN
AND HAS A SON, KENT.

BUT THIS MARRIAGE ALSO FAILS.

MY MOTHER
AND MY FATHER DIVORCED.

THEN IT WAS JUST ME AND MOM
FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.

SANTE BEGINS SHOPLIFTING,

AND HER CRIMES SOON ESCALATE...

CHECK FRAUD...

GRAND LARCENY...

GRAND-THEFT AUTO...

SHE HAD A PATTERN
THROUGH THE YEARS

OF GETTING INTO TROUBLE
WITH THE LAW

BY ALLEGEDLY TAKING ITEMS
THAT SHE COULD HAVE AFFORDED.

SOME OF HER FRIENDS THOUGHT
THAT SHE LIKED THE EXCITEMENT,

THE... GETTING AWAY
WITH PULLING ONE OVER ON PEOPLE.

WHEN SHE WALKED IN A ROOM,

SHE GOT THE ATTENTION
FROM EVERYBODY...

FROM MEN AND WOMEN ALIKE.

SHE HAD A RESEMBLANCE
TO ELIZABETH TAYLOR,

AND SHE PLAYED IT UP
TO THE HILT.

AND SHE HAD THE CHARISMA
TO GO WITH THE LOOKS,

WHICH GAVE HER
A POWER OVER MEN.

POLICE ARE SURPRISED
AT HER HISTORY,

BUT THE SLAVERY CHARGES
CONCERN THEM THE MOST

BECAUSE OF HER VIOLENT TREATMENT
TOWARDS HER MAIDS.

THEY WOULD CLEAN
ALREADY CLEAN FLOORS.

SHE WANTED THEM
TO SEW ALL THE TIME.

SHE HAD ALL MANNER OF RULES.

AND SEVERAL OF THEM,
SHE BEAT.

ONE SHE BURNED WITH A HOT IRON.

IN 1970,
SANTE MEETS AND LATER MARRIES

REAL-ESTATE MILLIONAIRE
KEN KIMES.

SHE FOUND OUT ABOUT HIM.

HE WAS PROFILED
IN A LOCAL MAGAZINE.

AND SHE LEARNED WHAT HE LIKED

AND TAILORED HERSELF
TO FIT THAT IMAGE.

HE LIKED THE COLOR WHITE,
SO SHE WORE IT ALL THE TIME.

HE LIKED THE SMELL OF GARDENIAS.
THAT BECAME HER PERFUME.

SHE'S PROJECTING THE IMAGE
THAT SHE WANTS YOU TO SEE.

IT CAN BE
A VERY CHARISMATIC PERSON,

A VERY BELIEVABLE PERSON.

IT'S ALL DESIGNED
TO GET WHAT SHE WANTS.

SO SHE NEEDS TO BE CHARMING
AND HIGHBROW, SHE CAN.

IF SHE NEEDS TO BE
HARD AND CALLOUS,

THAT SHE CAN BE, TOO.

THE TWO OF THEM TOGETHER
WERE JUST AN INCREDIBLE TEAM.

THEY KNEW
HOW TO HAVE FUN TOGETHER.

SHE PROVIDED AN EXCITEMENT THAT,
I THINK, WAS ABSENT TO HIM.

IT ISN'T LONG BEFORE KEN, SR.,

BECOMES AWARE OF SANTE'S
CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR.

IN MARCH 1998,

LOS ANGELES POLICE
ARE INVESTIGATING

CON ARTIST SANTE KIMES
AND HER SON KENNY

IN THE MURDER OF DAVID KAZDIN.

THEY LEARN THAT EVEN
HER HUSBAND, KEN, SR.,

CONTRIBUTED TO HER CRIMES.

I THINK THAT KEN KIMES, SR.,

SORT OF GOT SEDUCED
INTO THE SITUATION,

AND HE WENT FROM BEING
A LEGITIMATE BUSINESS GUY

TO PRETENDING TO BE
AN AMBASSADOR

AND ENGAGE
IN THESE CONS AND RUSES.

FIVE YEARS LATER,

SANTE GIVES BIRTH TO KENNY, JR.,
IN 1975.

MY BROTHER KENNY CAME
INTO THE PICTURE WHEN I WAS 12.

HE WAS THE HEIR TO THE FORTUNE.

HE WAS THE PRINCE, AND...

THAT WAS THE REASON
WHY SHE GOT PREGNANT.

A FEW YEARS LATER,

THE KIMES FAMILY MOVES
TO LAS VEGAS.

AT AN EARLY AGE,

SANTE TRANSFORMS KENNY
INTO HER ACCOMPLICE.

SHE WOULD HIRE PEOPLE
TO COME OVER TO BE HIS FRIEND.

SHE CONTROLLED WHO HE COULD SEE,
WHEN HE COULD SEE THEM,

HOW LONG, WHO HAD ACCESS TO HIM.

FOR A PSYCHOPATH, EVERYBODY,
INCLUDING THEIR OWN CHILDREN,

ARE SIMPLY PAWNS
TO BE MANIPULATED AND USED.

SHE WAS MOLDING HIM.

PEOPLE ASK ME
WHAT WAS THE DIFFERENCE

BETWEEN MY UPBRINGING
AND KENNY'S UPBRINGING.

I WAS IN MORE PUBLIC SCHOOLS,

SO I HAD MORE CONTACT
OUTSIDE OF THE HOME.

HE WAS TUTORED IN HOME
ALL THE TIME.

SHE WAS MORE THAN CONTROLLING.
IT WAS COMPULSIVE.

BUT KENNY DOES GET A CHANCE

TO BREAK AWAY
FROM HIS MOTHER'S TIGHT GRASP

WHEN SANTE SERVES HER TIME
FOR SLAVERY.

HE WAS AROUND 10 YEARS OLD
WHEN THIS HAPPENED.

HE SAW THE DETECTIVES COME
AND ARREST HIS MOTHER.

IT WAS DEVASTATING.

THAT'S THE TIME WHERE HE GETS
THE BEST SHOT AT A NORMAL LIFE.

HE GROWS CLOSER TO HIS FATHER,

WHO HAS RETIRED
TO TAKE CARE OF HIM,

AND HE ENROLLED
IN A GOOD SCHOOL IN LAS VEGAS

AND MADE FRIENDS.

SANTE RETURNS HOME

AFTER SERVING THREE YEARS
IN JAIL ON DECEMBER 11, 1989.

WHEN
SHE GETS RELEASED FROM PRISON,

THE OLD PATTERNS OF CONTROL
EMERGED AGAIN.

YEARS PASS.

KENT MOVES OUT
AND STARTS HIS OWN FAMILY.

AND IN THE FALL OF 1993,
KENNY ENROLLS IN COLLEGE.

THEN, IN 1994,

KEN, SR., DIES SUDDENLY
FROM AN ANEURYSM.

MY MOTHER, SHE WAS SCARED

BECAUSE SHE DID NOT HAVE
HER NAME ON ANYTHING,

NOT ONE DEED, NOT ONE CHECKBOOK,
NOT EVEN A CREDIT CARD.

SO HERE'S THIS WIFE
OF THIS MULTIMILLIONAIRE

WHO HAS NO ACCESS
TO THE MONEY WHATSOEVER.

NOW SANTE AND KENNY,
JR., ONLY HAVE EACH OTHER.

SANTE MANAGES
TO CONCEAL KEN KIMES' DEATH

FROM THE GENERAL PUBLIC
FOR TWO YEARS.

DURING THAT TIME,
KENNY DROPS OUT OF COLLEGE

AND RETURNS HOME
TO LIVE WITH SANTE.

THAT'S WHEN
I STARTED BECOMING AWARE

OF HOW STRANGE
THINGS WERE BECOMING

WITH MY MOTHER AND MY BROTHER.

KENNY BEGINS TAKING PART

IN MORE OF HIS MOTHER'S SCHEMES,

AS SHE SYSTEMATICALLY
TRIES TO LIQUIDATE

THE ASSETS OF THE KIMES ESTATE.

AFTER SEVERAL FIGHTS,

KENT DECIDES TO DISTANCE HIMSELF
FROM HIS MOTHER AND BROTHER.

I WAS KIND OF WATCHING HIM
CHANGE, AND IT SCARED ME.

IN LOS ANGELES,

INVESTIGATORS ARE SUSPICIOUS
OF THE KIMES,

BUT NEED TO FIND A MOTIVE
IN DAVID KAZDIN'S MURDER.

A FEW DAYS LATER, ON MARCH 17th,

POLICE LOCATE KAZDIN'S CAR
A MILE FROM THE CRIME SCENE,

BUT THEY FIND LITTLE EVIDENCE.

WE BELIEVED THAT SANTE
AND KENNETH KIMES

WERE SOMEHOW INVOLVED
IN DAVID KAZDIN'S DEATH.

DURING THEIR INVESTIGATION,

POLICE PIECE TOGETHER

THE DETAILS
OF THE LOAN-FRAUD SCHEME.

SANTE TOOK A $280,000 LOAN OUT

ON HER HOUSE
IN DAVID KAZDIN'S NAME.

A PIECE OF PROPERTY
ON GERONIMO WAY

JUST OUTSIDE THE LAS VEGAS AREA,

WHICH WAS WORTH SEVERAL
HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.

SANTE KIMES HAD OCCUPIED
THIS PROPERTY

FOR A WHILE
PRIOR TO THIS LOAN FRAUD.

DAVID KAZDIN HAD RECEIVED
A LOAN BOOK

IN THE MAIL FROM THIS BANK,

SAYING THAT HE NOW OWED
A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY

EVERY MONTH FOR A LOAN THAT
HE HAD TAKEN OUT ON A HOUSE.

HE KNEW THAT HE HADN'T TAKEN
ANY LOAN OUT,

SO HE CONTACTED THE BANK TO
FIND OUT WHAT IT WAS ALL ABOUT.

POLICE DISCOVER
THE MONEY HAD BEEN TRANSFERRED

TO AN ACCOUNT BELONGING
TO SANTE'S NOTARY,

BUT ONLY $10,000 REMAINED.

DAYS LATER,

SANTE THREATENS KAZDIN
TO GO ALONG WITH THE LOAN FRAUD.

DAVID HAD HAD THAT RELATIONSHIP
WITH HER FOR SO MANY YEARS,

HE JUST DIDN'T SEE
HOW BAD SHE HAD BECOME.

ONE OF THE TOOLS

THAT SHE WAS VERY GOOD AT USING
WAS INTIMIDATION.

SHE KNEW HOW TO SCARE PEOPLE.
SHE KNEW HOW TO FRIGHTEN PEOPLE.

POLICE NOW HAVE
A MOTIVE FOR KAZDIN'S MURDER.

THEY CHECK INTO
THE LAS VEGAS HOUSE

AND FIND IT IS THE SUBJECT
OF AN ARSON INVESTIGATION...

WITH SANTE AND KENNY GONE.

WE WENT TO INTERVIEW
THE NOTARY PUBLIC

THAT HAD FORGED DAVID KAZDIN'S
NAME ON THE LOAN DOCUMENTS.

SHE HAD BEEN TOLD BY SANTE KIMES

THAT SHE HAD
THE POWER OF ATTORNEY

TO SIGN DAVID KAZDIN'S NAME
TO THESE LOAN DOCS,

WHICH WAS, IN FACT, NOT TRUE.

SHE ALSO TELLS THEM

THAT SHE NOTARIZED A NEW DEED
FOR THE SAME HOUSE

WITH THE NAME
ROBERT McCARREN ON IT.

POLICE HOPE THAT ROBERT McCARREN
CAN SHED SOME LIGHT

ON THE WHEREABOUTS
OF SANTE AND KENNY KIMES.

IN MARCH 1998,

LAPD ARE FOLLOWING
A DANGEROUS TRAIL

LEFT BY CON ARTIST SANTE KIMES
AND HER SON KENNY...

SUSPECTS IN THE MURDER
OF DAVID KAZDIN.

POLICE CONTINUE
TO TRACK DOWN LEADS

TO HELP THEM FIND THEIR KILLERS.

THEY LOCATE A POLICE REPORT
ABOUT ROBERT McCARREN,

THE MAN WHOSE NAME
WAS ON THE HOUSE DEED

WHEN IT WAS SET ON FIRE.

WE WERE ABLE TO FIND OUT
THAT ROBERT McCARREN

WAS A POSSIBLE VICTIM
OF A KIDNAP.

POLICE UNCOVER A 911 CALL

HE MADE
TO WEST VALLEY L.A. POLICE

AFTER ESCAPING
FROM SANTE AND KENNY KIMES.

THEY HAD TAKEN ROBERT
TO A HOSPITAL

BECAUSE ROBERT
WAS COMPLAINING OF CHEST PAINS.

AND THAT WAS
THE LAST CONTACT THEY HAD.

ROBERT DIDN'T HAVE
A FORWARDING ADDRESS.

HE HAD NO PERMANENT ADDRESS.

IT'S VERY DIFFICULT

TRACKING DOWN EVERY SINGLE LEAD
IN A 10- OR 12-HOUR DAY.

SO WE TRY TO KEEP UP

WITH THE MOST PRESSING ASPECTS
OF THE INVESTIGATION.

TWO WEEKS LATER, ON APRIL 10th,

A PATROL OFFICER FINDS McCARREN
AT A HOMELESS SHELTER.

HE TELLS THEM
SANTE KIMES HIRED HIM

AS A HOUSEMAN
FOR THEIR LAS VEGAS HOME,

BUT TREATED HIM LIKE A SLAVE.

I ANSWERED AN AD
IN THE LAS VEGAS NEWSPAPER.

SEVERAL MONTHS AFTER THAT,
YOU KNOW,

EVERYTHING WAS JUST FINE,

THEN, ALL OF A SUDDEN,
CHANGED LIKE FROM NIGHT TO DAY.

HE WAS A FRAIL MAN,
VERY SOFT-SPOKEN.

WE KNEW THAT HE DIDN'T
HAVE THE DISPOSITION.

HE WAS JUST NOT
THE MURDERING TYPE OF PERSON.

SANTE KIMES ALSO HIRES

A MAN NAMED SEAN LITTLE
TO BE THEIR CHAUFFEUR.

SEAN LITTLE WAS ACTUALLY BROUGHT
BY THE KIMES FROM LAS VEGAS

TO WATCH MR. McCARREN,
TO KEEP CONTROL OF HIM,

AND ACTUALLY WAS UTILIZED
TO ASSAULT HIM

WHEN MR. McCARREN WASN'T DOING

WHAT THE KIMES
INSTRUCTED HIM TO DO.

I THINK THEY'RE THE MOST EVIL
PEOPLE YOU COULD EVER IMAGINE.

SANTE HAD FORGED
McCARREN'S SIGNATURE

ON THE NEW DEED
TO THE VEGAS HOME

TO TAKE OUT
A $500,000 INSURANCE POLICY

BEFORE IT BURNED DOWN.

I'M SURE
THEY WOULD HAVE KILLED ME.

WHAT THEY WERE WAITING FOR

WAS TO COLLECT THE INSURANCE
ON THE HOUSE IN LAS VEGAS,

AND THEN
THEY WOULD GET RID OF ME.

DETECTIVES
LOOK FOR SEAN LITTLE,

THE MAN WHO STOOD WATCH
OVER McCARREN...

BUT CAN'T LOCATE HIM.

ROBERT McCARREN TELLS
INVESTIGATORS ABOUT A THIRD MAN,

STAN PATTERSON, WHO HELPED THE
KIMES MOVE FROM THEIR VEGAS HOME

TO WEST L.A. BEFORE THE FIRE.

McCARREN LEADS POLICE
TO THAT ADDRESS.

AND WITHIN
THEIR BEL AIR RESIDENCE

WERE SOME PLASTIC TRASH BAGS

THAT WERE
OF THE SAME MAKE AND TYPE

OF THE ONES THAT WE ACTUALLY
FOUND MR. KAZDIN WRAPPED IN.

WE LOCATED A MAP
DETAILING THE ROUTE

FROM WEST L.A.
TO MR. KAZDIN'S RESIDENCE.

WE FELT THAT WAS A VERY KEY
PIECE OF EVIDENCE

AND THAT WE WERE ONCE AGAIN
ON TO THE RIGHT SUSPECTS.

POLICE TRACK DOWN
STAN PATTERSON,

THE MAN McCARREN
TOLD THEM ABOUT,

LIVING IN THE OUTSKIRTS
OF LAS VEGAS.

THEY DECIDE TO PAY HIM A VISIT.

HE ADMITS HE SOLD KENNY
.22-CALIBER HANDGUNS.

THE .22-CALIBER WEAPON
THAT HE PURCHASED

MATCHED THE MAKE, CALIBER,
AND RIFLING CHARACTERISTICS

AS THE PROJECTILE
THAT THE CORONER'S OFFICE

RECOVERED FROM THE VICTIM,
DAVID KAZDIN.

STAN AGREES TO LET POLICE KNOW

IF HE HEARS
FROM THE KIMES AGAIN.

POLICE SOON LEARN
THROUGH QUESTIONING WITNESSES

THAT THE TWO
ARE NOW IN FLORIDA.

I THINK IT PROBABLY IS BECAUSE
OF THE PROXIMITY TO THE BAHAMAS,

WHERE A LOT OF MY STEPFATHER'S
MONEY WAS AT.

THEY WERE STEALING MOTOR HOMES

BECAUSE THEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO
CHECK INTO A MOTEL.

THEY WERE LOOKING FOR MARKS
IN FLORIDA.

THEY WIND UP IN PALM BEACH.

THERE IS ALSO THE ENTICEMENT
OF THE ELDERLY.

TO SANTE, IT'S A COMMUNITY
FULL OF EASY MARKS.

THERE'S A PRETTY SEVERE
NARCISSISTIC ELEMENT HERE.

TO CONSTANTLY GET OVER ON PEOPLE
IS PROVING TO THEMSELVES

THAT THEY'RE SMARTER
THAN EVERYBODY ELSE

AND REINFORCING THAT.

BEFORE L.A. POLICE
CAN ARREST THEM IN FLORIDA,

SANTE AND KENNY KIMES
ARE ON THE MOVE AGAIN,

LOOKING FOR THEIR NEXT BIG CON.

THEY REALIZED THAT THERE
WAS BIGGER TARGETS

IN NEW YORK CITY.

IRENE SILVERMAN,
82, FORMER BALLERINA,

OWNED A TOWNHOUSE
ON EAST 65th STREET.

THEY FOUND OUT
THAT IRENE SILVERMAN

HAD A MULTIMILLION-DOLLAR
MANSION ON THE UPPER EAST SIDE

AND SHE WAS RENTING OUT
APARTMENTS.

ON JUNE 14, 1998,

SANTE AND KENNY KIMES
ARRIVE IN NEW YORK.

KENNY SHOWS UP
AT THE TOWNHOUSE

WITH A REFERENCE AND $6,000 CASH
FOR THE FIRST MONTH'S RENT.

THAT WAS IRENE SILVERMAN'S
BIGGEST MISTAKE...

NO BACKGROUND CHECKS
OR ANYTHING.

MY MOTHER HAD ALWAYS TOLD ME

THAT PEOPLE'S BIGGEST
WEAKNESS IS MONEY.

MOTHER/SON TEAM
SANTE AND KENNY KIMES

ARE IN NEW YORK,

EMBARKING ON THEIR
BIGGEST CON EVER...

WHILE LOS ANGELES POLICE ARE
STILL LOOKING TO QUESTION THEM

IN THE MURDER OF DAVID KAZDIN.

ON JUNE 14, 1998,

KENNY MOVES INTO APARTMENT 1B
UNDER THE NAME MANNY GUERRIN.

A FEW DAYS LATER, "EVA,"
HIS ASSISTANT,

MOVES IN, AS WELL.

WHEN THEY MOVE,

THEY'RE SORT OF LIKE A TORNADO
THAT MOVES THROUGH SOCIETY

WITH A LOT OF DEVASTATION LEFT
IN THE WAKE OF THIS.

THEY TOUCH
OR HURT MOST EVERYBODY

THAT THEY COME IN CONTACT WITH
ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

SANTE DECIDES SHE
WANTS TO STEAL IRENE'S MANSION.

AND WITH KENNY'S HELP,
SHE PUTS HER PLAN IN MOTION.

PSYCHOPATHS LIKE SANTE
HAVE UNREALISTIC PLANS.

AND MANY TIMES,
IT'S BASED ON A HISTORY

OF HAVING GOTTEN AWAY WITH
SOME PRETTY OUTRAGEOUS THINGS.

AND SO THEY BEGIN TO THINK
THAT THEY'RE INVULNERABLE

AND INVINCIBLE
AND CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT

AND THEY'LL BE ABLE TO
GET AWAY WITH IT.

BUT IRENE IS SUSPICIOUS

WHEN KENNY DOESN'T COMPLETE
HIS CREDIT APPLICATION

AND SEEMS TO AVOID THE SECURITY
CAMERAS IN THE LOBBY.

IRENE CONFIDES IN FRIENDS ABOUT
THE STRANGE NEW TENANTS IN 1B.

SHE DECIDES TO EVICT THEM
ON JULY 5th.

NO ONE WAS SAFE. NO ONE.

SHE COULD HAVE LOVED YOU
IN JANUARY.

BUT IF IT MEANT DESTROYING YOU

WAS GONNA BETTER
HER POSITION IN JULY,

THEN YOU'RE GONNA GET DESTROYED.

IN LOS ANGELES,

POLICE ARE STILL FOLLOWING
A PAPER TRAIL

TO LOCATE THE KIMES' WHEREABOUTS

WHEN STAN PATTERSON
CONTACTS THEM.

WE LEARNED FROM MR. PATTERSON

THAT HE HAD RECEIVED A CALL
FROM SANTE KIMES IN NEW YORK.

AND SHE WANTED STAN
TO COME OUT TO NEW YORK

SO HE COULD MANAGE
AN APARTMENT BUILDING.

I THINK SHE SAID SOMETHING
ABOUT BRINGING HIS TOYS,

WHICH STAN INTERPRETED AS GUNS.

POLICE DON'T HAVE
ENOUGH EVIDENCE

TO ARREST THEM FOR MURDER.

BUT THERE IS
AN OUTSTANDING WARRANT

FOR HER ARREST IN UTAH
FOR WRITING A BAD CHECK.

WE ARRANGED A STING OPERATION
FOR HIM TO FLY TO NEW YORK,

MEET WITH THE KIMES,

AT WHICH POINT
WE WERE GONNA UTILIZE

NEW YORK POLICE DEPARTMENT
AND NEW YORK FBI

TO TAKE THEM INTO CUSTODY.

STAN PLANS TO MEET
KENNY AND SANTE AT A HOTEL.

AND FROM THERE, THEY WILL
TAKE HIM TO THE PROPERTY.

NEW YORK POLICE SET UP
SURVEILLANCE AT THE HOTEL.

THE DAY WORE ON.

MY PARTNER, DETECTIVE COX, AND
MYSELF WERE NOTIFIED CONSTANTLY

THAT THERE WAS NO SIGHTING
OF THE KIMES.

WE PERSISTED IN OUR REQUEST
FOR THEM TO HANG TIGHT.

AND, SURE ENOUGH,
AROUND 5:00 P.M.,

SANTE KIMES SHOWED UP.

THERE'S STILL NO SIGN OF KENNY.

POLICE KEEP THEIR DISTANCE,

HOPING TO ARREST
THE PAIR TOGETHER.

AGENTS CAN'T WAIT MUCH LONGER.

THIS MAY BE THEIR ONLY CHANCE
TO NAB SANTE KIMES.

FINALLY, THEY GET THEIR SHOT.

AT THAT MOMENT, ACROSS TOWN,

THE NEW YORK POLICE ARE CALLED
TO THE HOUSE OF IRENE SILVERMAN.

IRENE SILVERMAN IS MISSING.

IRENE SILVERMAN HADN'T TAKEN
A STEP OUTSIDE

OF HER MANHATTAN TOWNHOUSE
BY HERSELF IN 15 YEARS.

SO WHEN SHE WAS MISSING
THAT JULY DAY,

IT RAISED ALARMS IMMEDIATELY.

HER RENTAL AGENT CALLED
THE POLICE THE DAY SHE VANISHED.

SUSPICION FELL QUITE QUICKLY
ON THIS MYSTERIOUS TENANT.

HE REFUSED TO SHOW
IDENTIFICATION,

AND HE WAS VERY SPECIFIC
AND EMPHATIC

ABOUT RECEIVING A RECEIPT
WITH HER SIGNATURE ON IT.

NEW YORK AUTHORITIES
OBTAIN A SEARCH WARRANT

FOR THE TOWNHOUSE...

BUT FIND LITTLE EVIDENCE.

POLICE WANT TO TALK WITH
THE MYSTERIOUS MANNY GUERRIN

AND ARE UNAWARE
THAT HE AND KENNY KIMES

ARE ONE AND THE SAME.

IRENE SILVERMAN
COULD NOT BE FOUND,

NOR COULD THE TENANT
FROM APARTMENT 1B.

THE NEXT DAY,

IRENE SILVERMAN'S DISAPPEARANCE
HITS THE PAPERS.

EYEWITNESSES ARE ABLE TO GIVE
THE POLICE A DESCRIPTION

AND A SKETCH IS MADE.

WHEN POLICE
HAD A PRESS CONFERENCE

AND RELEASED A SKETCH
OF MANNY GUERRIN,

AND IT WAS ON THE MEDIA,

ONE OF THE FEDERAL AGENTS
WHO HAD ARRESTED KENNY KIMES,

THEY PUT TWO AND TWO TOGETHER.

THE AGENT REALIZES
THE SKETCH OF MANNY GUERRIN

RESEMBLES
THEIR PRISONER KENNY KIMES.

NEW YORK POLICE QUESTION
SANTE AND KENNY KIMES,

BUT THEY DENY ANY KNOWLEDGE
OF IRENE SILVERMAN.

THE NEXT DAY, POLICE LOCATE
SANTE AND KENNY'S CAR.

THERE WAS A .45-CALIBER
GUN FOUND IN THE CAR.

THERE WAS A LARGE, BLACK
NYLON BAG FOUND IN THE TRUNK.

THEY ALSO FIND
A DATE-RAPE DRUG, A STUN GUN,

A 9-MILLIMETER GLOCK,
$22,000 IN CASH,

PLUS FORGED SOCIAL SECURITY
CARDS AND A FORGED DOCUMENT

GIVING THEM POWER OF ATTORNEY
IN IRENE SILVERMAN'S NAME.

IN ANOTHER BAG, POLICE UNCOVER
MORE INCRIMINATING EVIDENCE.

IN THAT BAG WAS, IN FACT,

A FORGED DEED TO
IRENE SILVERMAN'S RESIDENCE.

BUT MOST DISTURBING

IS THE SET
OF 13 SPIRAL NOTEBOOKS.

SANTE KIMES
KEPT THESE SPIRAL NOTEBOOKS

WHERE SHE WOULD WRITE NOTES.

ONE ENTRY WAS
"GET SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER.

ELDERLY PEOPLE... EASY TARGETS."

SO SHE WOULD WRITE THINGS THAT
WERE EXTREMELY INCRIMINATING.

THE NOTEBOOKS ALSO CONTAIN

INFORMATION RELATING
TO THE DAVID KAZDIN MURDER.

THE MOST SIGNIFICANT ENTRIES
IN SANTE KIMES' NOTEBOOKS...

WHICH WERE VOLUMINOUS
IN NATURE...

TO OUR INVESTIGATION
HERE IN LOS ANGELES,

WERE SEVERAL ENTRIES
THAT STATED, "KILL D.K."

SANTE AND KENNY KIMES
ARE HELD ON THE CHECK FRAUD.

THEIR BAIL IS DENIED.

AND I REMEMBER A GOOD FRIEND
OF MINE CALLED ME UP,

AND HE SAID, "KENT,
HAVE YOU SEEN THE PAPER?"

AND I HADN'T.
HE GOES, "TURN TO PAGE 4."

I OPEN IT UP, AND THERE WAS
A PICTURE OF MY MOTHER.

FIRST THING I THOUGHT... "MAN,
SHE'S GONNA HATE THAT PICTURE."

THEN I READ THE ARTICLE,

AND THAT WAS THE FIRST TIME I
HEARD THE NAME IRENE SILVERMAN.

BUT WHEN I SAW
THE NAME DAVID KAZDIN,

ALL THE PIECES FELL INTO PLACE
IN A MILLISECOND.

I PUT THE PAPER DOWN, AND...

I CRIED...'CAUSE I KNEW.

I KNEW THAT EVERYTHING THAT
THAT ARTICLE SAID ABOUT THEM...

THE FIRES, THE MURDERS,
TRYING TO STEAL THE MANSIONS...

I KNEW THEY WERE TRUE.
I COULDN'T DENY IT ANYMORE.

A FEW WEEKS LATER,

LAPD DETECTIVES ARRIVE
IN NEW YORK,

HOPING TO ELICIT A CONFESSION.

THEIR CASE IS WEAK.

THEY HAVE MOTIVE,
BUT NO WITNESSES AND NO WEAPON.

DAVID KAZDIN WAS
SHOT WITH A .22-CALIBER HANDGUN.

BUT NONE OF THE GUNS FOUND
IN THE KIMES' CAR MATCH.

FOR THE KAZDIN FAMILY
BACK IN L.A.,

JUSTICE MUST WAIT.

IN NEW YORK,
SANTE AND KENNY KIMES

ARE ARRESTED FOR THE MURDER
OF IRENE SILVERMAN

WHILE LOS ANGELES POLICE
HOPE TO ARREST THEM

FOR DAVID KAZDIN'S MURDER.

DETECTIVES IN L.A.
FINALLY CATCH A BREAK

TWO MONTHS AFTER
THE KIMES' ARREST IN NEW YORK.

WITH THE HELP
OF THE NEW YORK POLICE,

THEY LOCATE SEAN LITTLE,

AN L.A. RESIDENT MENTIONED
IN SANTE'S NOTEBOOKS,

AND THE MAN WHO HELPED
HOLD ROBERT McCARREN HOSTAGE.

SEAN WAS AFRAID.

HE WAS AFRAID OF KENNY AND SANTE
EVEN AT THAT POINT,

AND HE DID WHATEVER THEY SAID.

'CAUSE THE KIMESES HAD ALWAYS
BROUGHT UP THE FACT

OF THEY KNEW
WHERE HIS FAMILY WAS.

LITTLE DECIDES TO TELL
L.A. POLICE WHAT HE KNOWS.

AND HE SAID, EARLY
ONE MORNING, KENNY WOKE HIM UP,

AND THEY DROVE OUT
TO DAVID KAZDIN'S HOUSE.

HE DIDN'T KNOW
WHO DAVID KAZDIN WAS.

KENNY TOLD SEAN
TO STAY OUTSIDE.

THEN HE SAW KENNY GO IN.

SEAN HEARS A POP.

AND SHORTLY AFTER THAT,
KENNY'S AT THE FRONT DOOR,

WAVING SEAN TO COME ON IN
THE HOUSE, COME ON IN THE HOUSE.

AND HE SEES DAVID KAZDIN
LYING ON THE KITCHEN FLOOR.

KENNY TOLD SEAN TO GO OUT
TO THE DRIVEWAY

AND TO BACK IN DAVID KAZDIN'S
CAR INTO THE GARAGE

SO THEY COULD CLOSE
THE GARAGE DOOR

AND LOAD KAZDIN'S BODY
INTO THE TRUNK.

KENNY KIMES,
WITH SEAN LITTLE'S HELP,

REMOVED DAVID KAZDIN'S BODY
THROUGH THE KITCHEN GARAGE DOOR,

PUT HIM IN THE BACK
OF DAVID KAZDIN'S OWN VEHICLE,

AND THEN LEFT.

KENNY AND SEAN

LEAVE KAZDIN'S BODY AND CAR
NEAR THE AIRPORT,

THROW THE GUN DOWN THE SEWER,
AND THEN MAKE ONE LAST STOP.

THEY DROVE TO A FLORAL SHOP
IN THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY,

PURCHASED A BOUQUET OF FLOWERS
FOR MRS. KIMES,

AND THEN DROVE TO THE RESIDENCE
IN BEL AIR,

WHEREIN KENNY PRESENTED THEM
TO HIS MOTHER

IN SORT OF A, "WELL, MOM,
THE MISSION HAS BEEN COMPLETED.

"YOU SHOULD BE HAPPY.
ALL WENT WELL.

THE JOB IS DONE."

FINALLY,
L.A. PROSECUTORS HAVE A CASE,

WITH SEAN LITTLE
AS THEIR STAR WITNESS.

BUT THE NEW YORK D.A.
ALSO PLANS TO PROSECUTE

AND IS FIRST
TO BRING INDICTMENTS.

ON DECEMBER 16, 1998,

SANTE AND KENNY KIMES
ARE INDICTED IN NEW YORK

ON 84 SEPARATE CHARGES,

INCLUDING THE SECOND-DEGREE
MURDER OF IRENE SILVERMAN,

EVEN THOUGH HER BODY
HAS NOT BEEN FOUND.

OFFICIALS HOPE
THE MOTHER-AND-SON TEAM

WILL TURN ON EACH OTHER
IN COURT.

YOU HAVE A MURDER CASE
IN NEW YORK

THAT WAS ALMOST UNPRECEDENTED.

THERE WAS NO BODY,
THERE WAS NO CONFESSION,

THERE WAS NO DNA.

THEY BOTH PLEAD NOT GUILTY.

MY MOTHER WAS BEGGING ME
TO COME OUT TO NEW YORK.

THERE WAS NOTHING I COULD DO.

I KNEW THEY WERE GUILTY.

I WANTED TO BE A SAVIOR,
BUT I COULDN'T.

I KNEW IT WAS TOO LATE
FOR THAT.

FOR MONTHS,

THE DEFENDANTS MAINTAIN
THEIR INNOCENCE.

ON MAY 18, 2000,
SANTE AND KENNY KIMES

ARE PRONOUNCED GUILTY
ON ALL COUNTS.

TOGETHER, THEY'RE SENTENCED
TO NEARLY 250 YEARS IN PRISON.

THEY'RE INTO DENIAL ABOUT THIS.

THEY'RE NEVER GOING TO ADMIT
THEY DID ANYTHING WRONG.

IF ANYTHING, THEY'RE GONNA
TURN IT ON ITS HEAD,

AND SHE'S GONNA CLAIM TO HAVE
BEEN FRAMED AND VICTIMIZED,

AND THE EVIDENCE WAS PLANTED,
AND THE POLICE FRAMED HER,

AND THE PROSECUTOR'S BAD,

AND THE JUDGE
WOULDN'T LET HER TESTIFY,

AND IT'S ALL GONNA BE
SOME HORRIBLE INJUSTICE

THAT'S BEEN PERPETRATED
AGAINST HER.

THAT'S JUST HOW THEY THINK,
AND THAT'S JUST WHO THEY ARE.

CALIFORNIA OFFICIALS
ANNOUNCE PLANS

TO EXTRADITE THE DEFENDANTS
BACK TO L.A.

TO STAND TRIAL FOR THE MURDER
OF DAVID KAZDIN.

IF CONVICTED IN CALIFORNIA,
THEY CAN FACE THE DEATH PENALTY.

WHETHER YOU BELIEVE
IN THE DEATH PENALTY OR NOT,

IT'S ABSOLUTELY IRRELEVANT
WHEN IT COMES TO BEING

YOUR OWN BROTHER
AND YOUR OWN MOTHER.

YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE IT HAPPEN.

THE CASE HERE IS STRONGER.

PROSECUTORS HAVE A BODY,
A MOTIVE, AND A STAR WITNESS.

THE TWO ARE EXTRADITED
AND ABOUT TO STAND TRIAL IN 2004

WHEN SUDDENLY
PROSECUTORS ARE BLINDSIDED.

SEAN LITTLE VANISHES.

WHEN SEAN DISAPPEARED,
WE WERE VERY UPSET.

SEAN WAS OUR MAIN WITNESS.

SEAN WAS REALLY
THE CENTER POINT OF OUR CASE.

WITH NO WITNESS,

INVESTIGATORS FEAR
THEY WILL NOT GET A CONVICTION.

THEN, SUDDENLY...

KENNY, JR., DECIDES TO TALK.

I REMEMBER KENNY TELLING US

THAT HE WANTED TO TALK TO US
THROUGH HIS ATTORNEY

BECAUSE HE CONSIDERED IT

A CIRCUS AT THIS POINT
WITH HIS MOM.

THE GAME WAS OVER.

KENNY AGREES
TO TESTIFY AGAINST HIS MOTHER

ONLY IF NEITHER ONE OF THEM
WILL RECEIVE THE DEATH PENALTY.

AND THAT WAS
A PRETTY DEFINING MOMENT

FOR BOTH MY BROTHER
AND MY MOTHER.

BECAUSE THEY WERE ATTACHED
AT THE HIP FOR A LONG TIME.

THEY WERE THE TEAM,
INSEPARABLE TEAM.

OVER THE COURSE OF THREE DAYS,

KENNY CONFESSES TO THE MURDERS.

WE TALKED TO KENNY ABOUT
THE MURDER OF DAVID KAZDIN.

KENNY TELLS DETECTIVES

THAT KAZDIN WAS
GOING TO REPORT THEM....

...AND SANTE WANTED HIM DEAD.

ON THE THIRD DAY
OF INTERVIEWING,

HE DESCRIBED IN DETAIL HOW
HE AND HIS MOTHER, SANTE KIMES,

HAD LIED IN WAIT IN THE BUILDING
OWNED BY IRENE SILVERMAN.

AND THEY COULD SEE EVERYTHING
FROM THEIR LITTLE PEEPHOLE.

AND KENNY KIMES,
WITH HIS BARE HANDS,

CHOKED IRENE SILVERMAN TO DEATH.

SHE WAS 5' TALL,
UNDER 100 POUNDS...

SO NOT A VERY BIG WOMAN.

HE PLACED HER
IN A LARGE DUFFEL BAG,

PUT HER ON ONE
OF THOSE LUGGAGE CARTS,

AND HE JUST WHEELED HER
DOWN THE STREET.

KENNY SAID, YOU KNOW, HE PASSED
PEOPLE ON THE SIDEWALK,

BUT, OF COURSE, IT LOOKS LIKE

HE'S JUST ROLLING
A PIECE OF LUGGAGE.

HE PUT HER IN THEIR VEHICLE

AND TRANSPORTED HER
SEVERAL MILES AWAY

AND DEPOSITED HER BODY IN
A DUMPSTER BEHIND A GAS STATION.

IN MY 27 YEARS OF WORKING
AS A LAW-ENFORCEMENT OFFICER

IN THE CITY OF LOS ANGELES,

IT WAS SURREAL SITTING ACROSS
THE TABLE FROM A SOCIOPATH

THAT IS DESCRIBING IN DETAIL
HOW HE CONDUCTED MURDERS...

SOME WITH THE HELP
OF HIS MOTHER,

SOME AT THE ORDERS
OF HIS MOTHER.

VERY DANGEROUS PEOPLE.

ONE WORD TO DESCRIBE THEM...
"EVIL."

KENNY TESTIFIES
AGAINST HIS MOTHER,

PLEADS GUILTY,
AND IS SENTENCED TO LIFE.

SANTE REPRESENTS HERSELF
AND PLEADS NOT GUILTY.

SHE CLAIMS THE COPS THREATENED
HER SON WITH THE DEATH PENALTY

AND FORCED HIM
TO MAKE A FALSE CONFESSION.

SANTE KIMES HAS TONS AND TONS
AND TONS OF ENERGY,

MORE THAN PROBABLY EVERYBODY
IN THIS ROOM PUT TOGETHER.

IT'S JUST LIKE THE WOMAN'S
70 YEARS OLD

AND SHE NEVER STOPS.

SHE NEVER STOPS THINKING.

SHE NEVER STOPS THINKING
OF A WAY TO GET OUT.

SANTE KIMES IS
CONVICTED OF FIRST-DEGREE MURDER

IN THE CASE OF DAVID KAZDIN.

ON JULY 7, 2004, SHE
IS SENTENCED TO LIFE IN PRISON.

SINCE THE CONVICTIONS,
I'VE REACHED OUT TO HIM,

BUT I DON'T KNOW
IF KENNY'S TO THE POINT

WHERE HE FEELS REMORSE
FOR WHAT HE'S DONE YET.

I DON'T BELIEVE, IN KNOWING
WHAT I KNOW OF KENNY KIMES,

THAT HIS LIFE WOULD HAVE
FOLLOWED THE SAME PATH

OF CRIME AND VIOLENCE,
INCLUDING MURDER,

IF IT HADN'T BEEN ORCHESTRATED
AND REQUESTED BY HIS MOTHER.

HE APPEARED TO BE
A NORMAL COLLEGE KID

UNTIL HE WAS EXTRACTED
BY HIS MOTHER

AND TOLD THAT SHE NEEDED HIM
IN ANOTHER CAPACITY.

MY MOTHER HAS NEVER CONFESSED.
SHE'S NEVER COME CLEAN.

THE TRAGEDY OF KENNY'S LIFE
WILL HAUNT ME FOREVER...

THE BIGGEST REGRET OF MY LIFE.

I SHOULD HAVE TRIED HARDER
TO PULL HIM OUT OF HER GRASP.