Waco (2018): Season 1, Episode 4 - Of Milk and Men - full transcript

[reporter] It's been four hours
since David Koresh and his
followers
have refused
to release themselves to the FBI
following a bloody shootout
with ATF.
Now, details are scarce,
but the question
everyone seems to be asking,
"Just when will they come out?"
[news anchor]
The federal agents came
under heavy and sustained fire
as they approached a ranch
owned by...
They're making us
look like monsters.
Calling us child abusers.
Everyone's in the chapel
wondering why we're not
going out.
I need you to talk to 'em.
[news anchor] ...believed
to have been collected
by Branch Davidian
cult members.
[whirring]
Negotiations failed, Noesner.
They reneged on their deal.
Let me handle this.
I can have the building
cleared by lunch.
Look. This isn't the first time
in the history of negotiations
that someone reneged
on a deal, okay?
Our primary objective has to be
getting those kids out safely.
Clearing the building
comes second.
They're screwing with us.
Now's the time to apply
more pressure.
No, no, no.
Let's not mistake getting even
for getting what we want.
"Trickle-flow-gush."
That's my next strategy.
If I can get a few people
to trickle out, more will follow
as it starts to flow
and once Koresh
sees enough people leave,
he won't be the last in line.
It would undermine
his authority. He'll lead
the rest of them out himself,
and the whole thing
will be over.
I just need a little time.
[sighs] Okay.
But...
a little show of force
might help get their attention.
Okay.
[David] Over the years...
you've looked to me
to be your leader.
To guide you on this journey.
But I'm no leader.
I'm a follower. Just like you.
God has instructed me
to stay here.
And wait for His sign
before I go out there.
But I can't ask you
to do the same.
[helicopter whirring]
And whoever wants to leave,
you're free to go.
But those of thinking of going,
I want you to ask yourself...
why did you sacrifice
all the comforts you had
to come here?
Know it or not,
you came here to be tested.
And this is a test.
This is our withering.
Our time to prove
through suffering...
that we are worthy
of the miracle that's to come.
[clears throat]
The kingdom of heaven
is coming.
And those of us
that pass this test
will be the worthy.
And those of us
that fail this test...
well... you're gonna have
to answer to God.
[panting] And I can't--
-[thud]
-[man] David!
[wind whistling]
[sighing]
You're burning up.
[wincing]
Uh, I'll get him some water.
[panting]
[panting]
Which one's my dad?
Hey. You probably shouldn't be
in here.
You know that old myrtle tree
outside?
-The one out front?
-Yeah.
[Thibodeau] Mm-hmm.
My dad and I planted it
when I was five.
He loved that old tree.
He always wanted to be buried
next to it.
And now, look.
Instead, he's getting buried
with buckets and shovels like...
-like a piece of garbage.
-Hey.
-[sobs]
-Hey.
[whirring]
[whirring]
[faint rumbling]
[whirring]
[clicks]
Get back. Get back.
[Steve] You promised
to stay off our land.
Well, David made a promise, too.
He gave us his word,
after his message was played,
he'd come out.
He didn't come out.
He-- he broke his promise.
Could you put him on the phone?
No. He doesn't want
to talk to you right now.
[Gary] Look, Steve,
my bosses are frustrated.
They don't understand
why you didn't come out.
Look, I'm embarrassed
about that, on a
personal level.
We were gonna come out, but...
God told David that we
needed to wait.
-God told him?
-Yeah, just like you guys
follow a higher authority,
we do too.
Okay. So, what now?
So, now, we wait
for a sign from God
to tell us to come out.
Look...
I know this all probably
sounds funny to ya.
But...
what if there is a higher power
than you or I, Gary?
And that higher power,
He speaks to David?
If there is a God
in this universe,
and you've got the laws of man
and the laws of God,
and that God that has led David
his entire life
says to him, "Wait."
I mean,
what is he supposed to do?
Well, I have to be honest
with you, Steve.
I don't know how my bosses
are gonna respond
when I tell them we're waiting
for a sign from God.
You know,
what I could really use
is a sign of good faith.
If David could send
some of the people out.
What, do you think
we're hostages here?
No one is a hostage here, Gary.
Everyone is free
to come and go as they please.
Then why isn't anyone
coming out?
Because, right now,
everyone feels safer in here
than they do out there with you.
And because once you get
into this building,
you're going to be able
to mess with the evidence
in any way that you want.
And you can make up any story
that you want,
but if this building stands,
and the reporters and the press
get to see the evidence,
then it is going to be
clearly shown what happened
here, what these men--
what your men
came in here to do.
-You want us to come out?
-David, listen. You've gotta--
Then why are you bringing
these tanks in here?
Do you know what that tells me?
[panting]
That this is war.
Why are you sending
all these people in here,
guns a-blazing?
For war, Gary.
-[helicopter whirring]
-And now, these tanks?
And these guys surrounding us?
You say you want us
to come out, but it sure
doesn't look like that to us.
David, I--
[gasps]
[grunts]
[sighs]
"Personal level."
"On a personal level."
What'd we just learn
from this conversation?
That they'll do whatever
this Koresh guy tells 'em.
No, we already knew that.
But Steve said that he
was embarrassed about that
"on a personal level."
He's separating himself
from Koresh.
-Saying he doesn't agree.
-Huh.
What can you tell me
about this Steve Schneider?
Uh, well, he was
a professor of theology
at the University of Hawaii.
-Uh-huh.
-He's originally from Wisconsin.
He and his wife joined the group
six years ago.
He's their star recruiter.
The group has nearly doubled
since he joined.
-Really?
-Our informant says
that he's the glue
that keeps this place together.
And get this.
His wife, Judy,
recently had a baby with Koresh.
[whistles] That can't be good
for the relationship.
Yeah.
[Walter chuckles]
If Steve brought
most of these people in,
I would guess
he feels responsible
for their well-being.
Right? Let's focus
all our attention on him.
If we can break Steve away,
this whole thing ends.
[Steve] David...?
[voice echoes] Can you hear me?
I'd like to send
some people out.
Jaydean's kids
are without a mother,
and Margaret and Catherine,
they're just--
they're just too old for this.
[Rachel]
We are running low on food.
And our water supply
is real bad.
The less mouths to feed,
the better.
[knocking]
-Well, that's getting worse.
-Yeah.
Let me see.
It hurts real bad.
[Steve] Ooh-whee.
-Hey.
-Hmm?
-I'm thinking you should go.
-Well, is David going?
[sighs] No.
-Then I'm not going.
-Look at your finger.
If that infection spreads,
you-- I mean, you could
lose your hand.
-I know.
-You could lose your life.
It hurts so bad, I can't sleep.
Cut it off.
What?
I'm gonna lose it anyway, Steve.
-Cut it off.
-No!
Has everyone around here
lost their minds?
Nobody's
cutting your finger off!
And I'm sending you outside
-to get medical attention.
-No, you're not!
-Yes I am--
-No, you are not!
I just got off the phone.
They're sending four people out.
-Two of 'em, kids.
-That's a start.
Four people seems hardly cause
for celebration.
Well, they're
starting to trickle out.
The strategy's working.
Now, you think you can help me
coordinate bringing 'em out?
Yeah, sure.
[baby moans]
[whining] Mama.
Mama. Ma...
Hey, there.
I'm Gary. What's your name?
-Leona.
-Leona?
Such a pretty name.
Hey, why don't we call your mom
and tell her you're okay?
-We can't call her.
-Why not?
Because you killed her.
[sighs]
-Hey, Steve?
-Yep?
I was wondering
if you could talk to
the FBI about Perry.
See if they'll let us
bury his body outside.
I asked you to bury his body
in the storm shelter.
-I know. It's just-- Michelle.
-Mm-hmm.
I know it would mean
a lot to her if we could
bury him by the myrtle tree--
It's impossible.
It's not gonna happen.
Could you just ask? Please?
[sighs] I can try.
[Ron] All right, today,
we got something a little
different for y'all.
Our guest today
is a Dr. James Tabor,
professor of-- what was it?
I specialize
in emergent religions.
Emergent religions.
Let's talk about your interest
in this Branch Davidian cult.
Yeah, I'm gonna stop you
right there, Ron.
I would propose that there's
no such thing as a cult.
"Cult" is a judgment word used
to talk about somebody else's
tightly-knit religious group.
Nobody in the world belongs
to what they see as a cult.
[Ron] Yeah, but there are
certain traits you think of
-when you think of a cult.
-[Tabor] That's true.
The early Christians,
by our definition, belonged
to a cult.
[Ron] So you're saying
Jesus was a cult leader?
[Tabor] I wasn't saying it
exactly like that,
but by the common definition
of "cult," yes.
[Ron] Oh, that got
the phones ringing.
You done it now, Dr. Tabor.
Excuse me.
My son is in Mt. Carmel,
and I need to talk to him.
How did you get
past the barricade?
Listen, I am not
altogether sure how he got
mixed up in all this mess,
but I know
if I could talk to him,
if I could just speak to him,
that I could get him
to come out.
I'm sorry,
I can't let you do that.
-Why not?
-Because I don't wanna give him
or anyone in there the chance
to tie up loose ends.
You think that they're
gonna kill themselves?
Doesn't matter what I think.
But I'm not gonna give them
a chance to say goodbye
either way.
Please escort her
back behind the checkpoint.
I just wanna know
if he's all right.
His name is David Thibodeau.
The news reports
aren't releasing any names.
I'm sorry, ma'am.
I don't have any more
information at this time.
I just need to know
if he's alive! Please!
[Rachel] David,
your fever's not breaking.
I'm afraid you're going to die
if we don't get you help.
[David murmurs]
It's all part of God's plan.
No. I just lost my father.
I'm not gonna lose you, too.
[phone rings]
-Hello?
-[Gary] Hello. Who's this?
-Cyrus.
-David's son.
-Yeah.
-Well, hello, Cyrus.
Can you put your dad
on the phone?
Are you gonna kill me?
[gulps] No.
No one's going to kill you.
[Steve] Cyrus?
Thanks, buddy.
Come here.
Hello, this is Steve Schneider.
Oh, hey, Steve.
Just wanted to give you
a quick call
and let you know
that everybody arrived safe.
Good. Well,
I hope that shows you
what we're about.
We wanna see this
resolved peacefully.
Of course.
I can tell you're the voice
of reason in there.
I bet people count on you
to make sure they're
taken care of.
[Steve]
I'm not sure that's true.
Well, from what I hear,
you're the reason the group's
grown like it has.
The reason that
the group has grown is
because of David's teaching,
not because
of anything I'm doing.
I think you're being modest.
Knowing everything
you know now...
are you happy you brought
all those people in there?
I'm not sure
what you're driving at, Gary.
Well, do you think
David has everyone's
best interest in mind?
Yeah. I do.
Because, forgive me
for saying this,
but I can't help but notice
a trend that when God
comes to talk
to modern-day prophets,
it seems one thing
He always tells them to do
is have sex
with lots of young women.
Well, that's
a pretty cynical view
of what we're doing here.
I'm not sure I appreciate
your tone with that one.
-Then explain it to me.
-I'm not stupid.
I know you're trying to create
dissent between me and David.
You're right, I am.
'Cause you know what I think?
I think David's dying,
and I think he doesn't mind
bringing all of you with him.
You know, Gary,
where you've got this all wrong,
the thing that you're missing...
is this is real.
I do believe that David
is the Lamb of God.
Not because of any trick
he's pulled,
but because of what I have seen
with my own two eyes.
But he's lost his way, Steve.
I think you can see it.
For years,
David has been prophesying
exactly what is happening here.
From the way
you came in, to the tanks,
the soldiers, everything.
I can't figure out
another explanation
that makes any sense.
For a minor weapons violation?
All this?
You think
he's lost his way?
Everything David has prophesied
has come true.
[sighs]
Hey, guys,
stay away from the window.
-It's not safe.
-[helicopter whirring]
[Cyrus]
Why are they doing that?
I don't know.
Come on. Let's go.
-[helicopter whirring]
-[Walter] What's going on?
[sighs]
What goes through
people's heads, you know?
I mean, these HRT guys,
what makes grown men
act like that?
They're mooning kids,
for God's sake.
They're just built that way.
The sad thing is, the Davidians
can't tell us apart from them.
I need you to get me
a video camera.
Ready?
How's my hair?
It's about as good
as it's gonna get.
-Knock it off.
-[laughs]
All right. We're good.
Hello. I'm Gary Noesner.
The notorious.
And...
this is my family.
Yeah, that's my wife,
Carol, there,
and my kids, Kelly, Katy,
and Rusty, and I love 'em.
I'm sure you love your kids
the same way.
And there is literally
nothing I wouldn't do to keep
my children safe.
I'm sure we share that feeling.
Now, any way you look at it,
this is a bad situation,
but I wanna make sure
that your kids remain
safe through it all.
So, please...
please work with me.
Help me keep your kids safe.
[whirring]
[baby crying]
[whispers] Rachel?
[baby crying]
Hey, I got a weird question.
Y'know, I...
Uh... I'm not producing
any milk.
And... I was wondering
if you had some to spare
for Mayanah.
I'm having the same problem.
All the mothers are.
-You are?
-Yeah. Sorry.
-Oh, God.
-[Rachel sniffles]
All right.
-[baby crying]
-Shh, shh, shh...
[groans]
This universe is mine.
[Walter]
I can't believe
Koresh likes this.
I am God here!
-Jesus.
-[chuckles]
-I don't get this movie.
-Mm.
I can't say it makes
my top 10 list either.
[man on video] You're wrong.
You need to be led--
-[phone ringing]
-Ready?
-Yeah.
-[monitor beeps]
-Hello?
-Hey, Gary, it's Steve.
Um, we just wanted to say
thanks for sending
the videotape.
We understand
what you're trying to do,
and we really appreciate
you making that effort.
I just wanted you to know
that there's some people
out here
who care about what happens
to you, that's all.
Yeah. Um...
I do have one small problem,
and I could really use
your help.
-What kinda problem?
-[sighs] So...
I guess because of the stress
of all this,
the mothers
who are nursing have...
have stopped lactating.
So... we need milk.
For the babies.
Could you send some in?
-Let me talk to my bosses.
-Okay. Thanks, Gary.
You bet.
No, I'm not throwing them
a picnic on national TV.
They want milk,
they can come out and get it.
Look. Usually the people
I negotiate with are backed
into a corner.
They need something.
And that's what gives me
leverage.
But these people,
they just want us to go away.
The only way I've been
able to motivate them
is with goodwill.
But now, their babies need milk,
and we can give it to them.
This is something
we can build on.
We can use this.
So, Steve,
I talked to my bosses,
and they're gonna give you
the milk.
Aw, Gary.
[sighs]
Thank you.
I really appreciate that.
But there's one condition.
You're gonna have to send
some kids out.
Wait. Um...
let me just make sure
I'm hearing you correctly.
Um, you want us to trade...
our kids for the milk?
I wouldn't
really put it like that.
I'm just saying that--
Look, I don't wanna
point out the obvious,
but if we send out our kids,
then we won't need
the milk, will we?
Steve?
-Yeah?
-May I?
Um, yeah.
David wants to talk to you.
Yeah, how much milk
we talking here, Gary?
-David--
-Two quarts per kid? Three?
I mean, some kids
gotta be worth more than others.
Cyrus, my son, he's eight,
but he can fix any car engine
you put in front of him.
That's gotta be worth,
what, at least three quarts
and a milkshake?
You people.
[handset clicks]
[sighs]
You shouldn't have done that.
You know we have to work
with them.
Yeah, well...
good luck with that, Steve.
Rachel? This is how
I'd like to ration out
the food and water.
Can you take care of that?
No one's gonna be happy
with this.
Well, if they don't like it,
they're welcome to leave.
Steve. Steve,
did you get any news
about the milk?
Yeah. I'm-- I'm--
I'm working on it. I promise.
Hey, Steve,
have you had a chance
to talk to the FBI about Perry?
Look, Thibs, just bury the body
like I asked you. Okay?
-[Gary] You get bacon on yours?
-[Walter] Yeah.
Oh. I shoulda gotten bacon
on mine.
You know, that's how we stopped
the Clarksville prison riot.
-With bacon?
-Oh, yeah.
It was after day eight,
and we took a bunch of bacon
and threw it on some coals.
The prisoners smelled it
and were instantly overcome
with hunger.
And I told them,
if they came out, they could eat
as much as them want.
Never underestimate
what a hungry man will do
for bacon.
Shame the Davidians
don't eat pork.
-It is.
-[chuckles]
[man on radio]
We've got movement
outside the compound.
- All agents to their posts.
-Shit.
Prepare to fire on command.
[phone rings]
-It's Steve.
-Steve! What's going on?
Tactical says
someone exited the compound.
Shit!
It's Thibodeau. He's unarmed!
He's just trying to bury a body.
Please don't shoot him!
Okay, hang on, Steve.
-Where's Decker?
-I don't know.
[dispatcher] Copy sniper one,
sniper one, you got the loop.
-[Wayne] Steve!
-Get out of my way!
Thibs!
You gotta get back in here!
Tell your man to stand down!
This is a tactical decision.
It's not your call, Gary.
No, no. He's just trying
to bury a body.
And I'm telling you,
you don't know what
he's burying.
That could be a bomb,
for all we know.
Damn it, I'm telling you,
the kid's unarmed.
And I'm telling you,
you don't know that, Gary.
Now, I can't have people
strolling outside,
walking around, looking
at our positions on things.
The kid is trying to bury
one of his dead, Mitch.
They let the ATF
take their wounded away.
Show 'em the same respect.
They lost my respect
when they started killing
federal agents, Gary.
All right, all right.
You want another Ruby Ridge
on your hands?
-Yeah.
-Go ahead, shoot that boy.
But just remember,
the ATF's not gonna be around
-to take the blame this time!
-I don't give a shit!
Requesting permission
to take the shot. Over.
[sniper]
I have the target in my view.
[mutters]
Repeat, requesting permission
to take the shot. Over.
Stand down.
Thank you.
Good morning, everyone.
A few days ago, the FBI learned
that the Branch Davidians
ran out of milk.
And they are no longer able
to feed their children.
Nice of them
to tell the truth for once.
Numerous attempts have been
made by the FBI
to deliver milk
for their babies,
but they have all been refused.
It seems they are
using their own children
as pawns in this thing.
David Koresh...
let us bring milk
to those children.
Pawns, Gary?
We're using our kids as pawns?
-Is that what you think?
-No, it's not.
Then why are they
saying that on TV?
-I don't know.
-Your boss said
they have made attempts
to deliver milk.
Now, when did that happen?
Because we've been here
the entire time,
and I don't recall anyone
knocking on our door!
Steve, look.
I wanna get you that milk.
That's the God's honest truth.
But you're gonna have to let out
some of the kids in return.
I'm sorry, Gary.
That's not gonna happen.
-[line clicks]
-[sighs]
[sighs]
[reporter]
With cult leader David Koresh
becoming less involved
in direct negotiations,
authorities suspect
his wounds may be getting worse.
Agents told cult members
that those not charged
with serious offenses
eventually will be allowed
to return to the compound
once it's cleared
of the crime scene.
-Sheriff Harwell?
-Yeah?
I'm Gary Noesner,
Head Negotiator, FBI.
Mm. Can I help you?
-You mind?
-[murmurs]
Well...
when I can't get a guy
to trust me, I try and find
someone he will trust.
And David Koresh trusts you.
Mm.
I could really use your help.
[phone ringing]
[grunts]
[ringing continues]
-[groans] This is David.
-David, it's Sheriff Harwell.
[sighs]
Hey, Jack.
Sure is nice
to hear a friendly voice.
David, I came down here today
because I wanna make sure
that those babies get the
milk they need.
Well, they said on the news
it was us refusing to make
this happen, Jack.
It's just--
these are our children
they're asking us to give up.
I understand, but...
it might not be the worst thing
to get the babies fed,
and at the same time,
get some of your other kids
out of harm's way.
-You know what I'm saying?
-Yeah, I do.
Good. Now, David, how much milk
do you think you need?
-Six gallons will do.
-All right.
Now, David, I'm gonna get ya
the six gallons,
but you gotta keep
a level head in this while
we try to resolve this thing.
Thank you, Jack.
You're a good man.
Look, I just don't think
we should make it
so easy on 'em.
Jesus. You think
we made it easy on 'em?
They agreed
to send their kids out,
for Christ's sake.
Right now, the only card
we have to play is
creating goodwill.
No, it's not.
That's your only card, Gary.
[sighs]
[Gary] Look, the people
they're sending out won't talk.
And we have no idea
what's going on in there--
what they're planning to do.
All right.
What's your point, Noesner?
If we send the milk in
and bug it somehow...
we'll have ears inside.
That'll help me
with negotiations,
and Mitch, tactically.
Do it.
-Judy, you need--
-Shh.
[whispers]
Just got her to sleep.
What's going on?
-Are there more people going?
-Yeah.
And I want you and Mayanah
to be two of 'em.
No. I already told you, Steve.
I can't go--
Well, this is
not about you anymore.
This is about Mayanah.
You asked me to look out for her
like she was my own.
Well, that's what I'm doing.
This is what that looks like.
I don't trust the people
out there, though, Steve.
I don't trust them.
I know.
What about you?
I can't leave you.
I should stay.
-It's the right thing to do.
-[Judy sighs]
Hey, Luke. I'm gonna miss
that inquisitive mind.
I want you
to take care of your mama.
All right, give me a hug.
[David] Okay.
All right.
What are Judy and Mayanah
doing in the hallway?
'Cause they're leaving.
Six gallons.
Bugs are in the crate.
Need a vest?
They don't wanna shoot me.
All right.
[David grunts] Is that everyone?
Um, Dave,
I'd like you to send out...
Judy and Mayanah.
No.
I can't do that.
[faintly] Okay.
You know, I've never asked you
for anything.
In all the years
I've known you, everything
I have done has been for you.
Please, David.
I'm asking you this one thing.
And I'll talk to Judy.
She can just tell them that--
that Mayanah is my daughter.
But, Steve...
she's not your daughter.
She's mine.
Right.
[faintly] Right.
I wanna stay with you.
Oh, I wanna stay
with you, too, baby.
-But God wants me to stay here.
-[child] Mommy...?
And I need
to keep you safe, okay?
You're the greatest gift
God ever gave me.
[Steve] Let's go.
Hey, guys. Right up here.
-You got it? Come here.
-[child whimpers]
Come here, buddy.
Come here. Come here.
Let's go. Come on with me.
How many guns you think
they're pointing at us
right now?
-I bet a lot.
-[Wayne chuckles]
-Steve, hi. Wayne, Gary Noesner.
-Hey.
-[Gary] Hi.
-Yeah, I've seen your video.
But I'm sure
I'm much better-looking
in person, right?
Let's just say that you got
a pretty good face for radio.
[chuckling]
Could we just
get this over with?
Yeah, sure. I'm sorry.
Steve, can I talk
to you for a minute,
just you and I?
Yeah. It's okay.
You need to know
your people are in a lot
more danger than you think.
And in my experience, the longer
these situations go on,
the more erratic
people's behavior gets.
Yeah, we're seeing that
on our side, too.
Uh-huh.
-Can I ask you something, Steve?
-Yeah.
Whose child is Mayanah?
We've all made
a lot of sacrifices to be here.
-She's David's child, isn't she?
-I made a choice.
Judy made a choice.
How is she, Judy?
I heard she was shot.
-She's fine.
-She's fine?
She has a bullet in her,
and her baby needs milk,
but she's fine?
She's still in there.
Why is that?
Because we made
a decision together--
No.
No, I think
David was the one
who made that decision, not you.
I think if it were up to you,
Judy would be
in that vehicle right now,
with Mayanah.
Am I wrong?
Now, look, Steve,
the thing you gotta realize
is that you do have the power
to make your own decisions.
Decisions for you,
for Judy, for Mayanah,
for everyone in there
who is waiting
for someone to find
the courage to lead them out.
You know, it's funny...
I can't tell you
how many times
I wanted to leave this place.
And all the fire ants
and the dust storms...
and David.
Oh, you're right.
David's horrible.
Self-centered, rude.
I wish that God
would have chosen
any other person on the earth
to speak through instead of him.
But you know what?
Despite everything
you're saying,
no one's explained to me
what we did to deserve all this.
You know, you have the power
to end this, too.
How's that?
You could just leave.
We weren't bothering anybody.
Yeah, I know.
Thanks for the milk.
[camera whirring]
All right. We're rolling.
[David] Okay.
Say whatever you wanna say.
Well...
I just wanna say
thanks a lot for killing my dad.
My dad's name was Perry Jones.
[Rachel] He was an unarmed man.
And...
you just shot him
through the door, so...
thanks a lot.
-And thanks for the milk.
-Yeah, thanks for the milk.
-[sniffles]
-[David sighs]
[grunts]
Wow.
Is it bleeding again?
-It's all over the pillow.
-[David sighs] Well...
it ain't nothing
for a tough guy like me.
[chuckles]
A lot of beliefs
people have may seem abnormal
or strange to other people,
but that doesn't mean
it's not right, though.
God speaks to me.
I have a message to present.
And you may not believe that.
If you don't believe that,
then believe this,
irrespective of God
speaking to me.
See this here?
This is my family.
May not be like your family.
But you come pointing guns
in the direction
of my wives and my kids?
Damn it, I will meet you
at the door any time.
I'm sorry
some of you guys got shot.
But, hey...
God'll have to sort that out,
won't He?
[clicks]
You still think
you can reason with this guy?
What are you gonna do with that?
Can't let this get out.
Makes him look too normal.
[sighs]
-[voices overlapping]
-[car horns honking]
[sighs]
[siren whoops]
[voices yelling]
Your boy's alive.
Thank you. Thank you.
Okay.
-I wanted to thank you, Steve.
-For what?
Taking care of everyone
when I was down.
And for not leaving.
I know you've been having
your doubts.
I understand.
Heck... I've had my own, too.
-You need something?
-Yeah.
-Glass of milk would be nice.
-[laughing]
-No, that's for the kids, David.
-I know it is,
but I just escaped death
by the grace of God,
and to be honest with you,
milk would do us good.
No one'll know, Steve.
[Steve] Glass of milk,
I have to admit,
would be pretty good
right about now.
[David] That's a yes.
Gonna be the best glass of milk
we've ever had.
They don't give
a shit about those kids.
When are you gonna see it?
I see it.
The only thing people like this
respond to is pressure.
Does it feel like they have
any pressure on them to you?
-They sure don't.
-We been here, what, eight days?
The only thing
we have to show for it
is, what, 19 people?
We keep up at this rate,
we'll be here till Christmas.
[sighs]
You been letting Gary
do his thing.
How 'bout you let me do
a little of mine?
[Ron] And Bubba might say,
"But ain't they messin' with
young girls in there?"
And I got this to say to Bubba.
The ATF has no jurisdiction
in matters of young girls.
Or sex, or polygamy,
or anything else they're
talking about.
It's none of their
damn business.
Their business...
is alcohol, tobacco,
and firearms. Period.
And yes, David Koresh did marry
his wife when she was 14.
And you might have feelings
about that,
just like I have feelings
about that myself.
I have a daughter.
I find the idea reprehensible.
[Ron]
But according to Texas law,
it is legal
to marry a 14-year-old
if her parents give consent.
Which, again,
I am not saying is right.
But I am saying,
if you have a problem with it,
your problem is actually
with Texas law.
Not David Koresh.
[engine stops]
[reporter]
The Branch Davidians have hung
a sheet outside the window
saying they want the press.
Reporters have their own take
on the sign.
[all]
God help us, we are the press!
[reporter 2] ...siege
against the Branch Davidians
in Waco, Texas.
And raise similar questions
about the--
I just don't understand
why they won't let us
talk to them.
[reporter] Ma'am,
if your son were here right--
No, no. Go back.
[man] ...web surrounded
this house...
[reporter] What would you want
to tell him?
If you want to look
in the camera and speak to him,
what would you
want to say to him?
Do you know her?
That's my mom.
Dave, honey...
I know the last time
you were home, I didn't
listen very well.
I-- I got my issues
with the Bible and stuff.
And I know that you got
a group in there
that you really care about,
and they're like family.
But I'm your family.
And you're the only family
I've got.
[sniffles] And if anything ever
happened to you, I don't know
what I'd do.
[sobs]
Thank you.
Dave, please? Come out.
And I promise I'm gonna be
a better listener, okay?
I promise
I'm gonna be a better mother.
So, please, just come on out.
[Balenda sniffles, sobs]
Thank you. Thank you so much.
[pops]
-[David] Everyone stay calm.
-[Rachel] What happened?