Very Scary People (2019–…): Season 2, Episode 4 - BTK Part 2: The Taunting - full transcript

For years the BTK killer plays a cat and mouse game with law enforcement and the media taunting them as he seeks the attention he craves.

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Rader: She was chosen.

Since she lived down the street from me,

I could watch the coming and going quite easily.

Snuck into the house.

She wasn't there.

I went back to one of the bedrooms and hid.




Welcome to "Very Scary People."

I'm Donnie Wahlberg.

After torturing and killing seven people,

demented serial killer BTK contacted police

to boast about his brutal acts.

He threatened more victims would follow.

His real identity was still a complete mystery.

He dared cops to find him.

The city of Wichita was on edge.

Wichita police form a secret task force

of seasoned detectives to track down BTK.

They need to capture him before he kills again.

Here is part two of "BTK: The Taunting."



Hatteberg: Wichita, Kansas, was in the middle of America,

and nobody locked their doors.

It was a great little town to be from.

Jordan: The morning of January 15, 1974,

was just a regular school day in the Otero household ...

until the unthinkable happens.

An intruder enters their home and commits atrocities

against this innocent family.

I saw my parent's bodies ... It just felt like somebody

had ripped my chest wide open and pulled my heart out.

Jordan: And investigators are trying

to piece together the evidence

and find the killer when, in April,

another brutal killing.

Otis: When the crime-scene investigators

found the DNA stain on the female clothing,

they collected it,

but there was no DNA testing at that time.

And so they packaged it properly, sealed it up,

and put it with the rest of the evidence.

And Wichita instantly changed.

It wasn't an innocent city anymore.

Killer breaks in. He's lying in wait.

And he's thinking he will be able to subdue her

and do whatever he wants and fill his fantasy.

BTK studied a lot about police techniques.

He knew that the police,

basically, were looking for a common M.O.

The BTK nomenclature ... "bind, torture, kill."

And that's how he wanted to be known.

So he then sits down and creates a very elaborate letter

that he will then send to KAKE-TV.

The writer, who claimed to be BTK,

admitted to the murders of the Otero family,

Shirley Vian, Nancy Fox.

He admitted to and gave details of all of those homicides.

We have an individual who apparently

has the uncontrollable desire to kill at times.

This individual is responsible for seven murders in our city.

Nobody knew where, when, why, or who was going to be next.




The idea behind the Ghostbusters was to have people

that didn't have any impressions of the investigation up

to that point,

who can put some fresh eyes on it.

Gagliano: You're gonna look at it from,

"Hey, do we need to go back and out and reinterview people?

Could we possibly have interviewed somebody

with important information and we missed it?"

The first part of the Ghostbusters

was just getting the case together.

The case was all over the police department.

It was in boxes, it was in folders in people's houses.

The Ghostbusters brought order to a dispersal of records.

Brady: Part of the work was establishing

a department database.

We would look at, for example, there was a certain gun

which was used in one of the killings,

and so we did research on all of those kind of guns,

found every person who ever bought such a gun

in the United States, and that went into a database.

The FBI said, "There has to be a pattern to these crimes."

One of the detectives thought that the killer was choosing

certain house numbers to kill people.

I built a database for them that tracked how far,

let's say, sex offenders lived from crimes.

O'Connor: They did a fantastic job.

I mean, they ran down leads. Incredible leads.

They never gave up.

They tried every lead.

It was just ... They just ran out.

The leads ran out.

I wondered if there is a pattern.

"Why can't I find it?"

The point is, these killings were random.

There was no pattern.

He would see somebody, decide, "I think I'd like to kill them."

There's no connection between the victims,

there's no connection between addresses.

It's all random.


Rader: She was chosen.

I went through the different phases, the stalking phase.

And since she lived down the street from me,

I could watch the coming and going quite easily.

Jordan: After a seven-year hiatus,

a very long cooling-off period

for a serial killer, BTK resumes in 1985

with the killing of a 53-year-old woman

named Marine Hedge ...

a neighbor of his who actually lived right down the street.

He will cut the phone line. He will enter the house.

And he will wait for her to come home.

She didn't come home for quite a while,

and when she did, she came in with a man,

and the two of them were talking.

O'Connor: They hang around, watch TV.

He grows impatient as he sits in a closet or something,

waiting for her.

Eventually, her date will leave.

She'll go to bed.

And then he comes out, surprises, shocks Marine Hedge,

and kills her.

Jordan: This one was different, however.

After he strangled her, he removed her body

and transported it from her home

to the basement of the local Lutheran church.

He poses the body.

He photographs it.

He's going to save those souvenirs for later.

And then he throws her body in a ditch,

so much like a piece of trash.

So his M.O. Is actually shaping

and changing and morphing over time.

Singular: This is a change again in his M.O.

because he was also selecting an older victim

because he was now older,

and he wanted to be able to physically control the person.


Jordan: BTK's next murder occurred in 1991,

with a 62-year-old victim, Dolores Davis.


Rader: I had cased the place before,

and I really couldn't figure out

how to get in, and she was in the house,

so I finally just selected a concrete block

and threw it through the plate-glass window.


[Glass shattering]

He didn't mess around on this one.

He just threw a big block through the window

while she was sitting there reading.

And he'll attack her and kill her, remove her.

He will take her to a bridge out in the county,

under the bridge, where it will become light.

He's running out of time, so he has to leave her,

and he will come back the next night with a mask

that he will put on her, and he'll take pictures.

That body is discovered by a boy waking his dog the next day.

Jordan: By this time, he's been killing

for almost 20 years or so,

but now he's in his 40s.

He's aging out. He's learned from his crimes.

He's been fought against, overpowered.

He has made a lot of mistakes.

He wants to make sure he still gets away with it.


Otis: Lieutenant Landwehr was the homicide commander

and was a legend with the Wichita Police Department.

Before he was a lieutenant, he was a patrol officer,

and he was assigned to that initial Ghostbusters task force

which was to look at the BTK case.

In the late '90s,

our homicide unit started looking at some cold cases

and picking out cases that might be DNA-solvable,

now that we had this DNA science coming on board.

Lieutenant Landwehr assigned Vicki Wegerle's cold-case murder

to myself and my partner, Dana Gouge.

He didn't say at all, nor would he have ever,

"This is a BTK case. I know it is.

That's how I want you to work it."



When Bill Wegerle came home that day for lunch,

he walked through the house looking for his wife, Vicki.

When he found her body, she had been bound.

He used a knife to cut some of the bindings off of her

as he called the police.

They transported her to a hospital,

and life-saving efforts didn't work,

and she'd been strangled to death.

When we reviewed the initial investigation of Vicki's murder,

we realized that her Kansas

driver's license had been missing.

Lieutenant Landwehr had told us that his belief on the case

was that it probably was not the husband,

based upon that driver's license being missing.

However, the detectives that worked it in 1986

focused really hard on the husband,

thinking it was a domestic violence issue.

The license had never been recovered.



Singular: It was January of 2004,

which was the 30th anniversary of the Otero murders,

and The Wichita Eagle decided to run a story about BTK.

Roehrman: The Eagle ran a story,

saying it had been 30 years since the first BTK deaths.

In part of the story,

the reporter talked to Professor Beattie,

a local college professor and author.

When he would mention BTK in his classes,

his students had no idea who BTK was.


Singular: 30 years had passed.

This is sort of fading into Wichita's history,

and there was a lot of speculation ...

"Well, he's probably dead," or, "He left the state,"

or, you know, "All of this is in the past."

BTK read the story, and he noted in there

that people were saying that he was dead.

Beattie said he was writing a book about this,

and that really bothered BTK because he felt

that nobody could write his story other than himself,

that he had to be the one to do it,

and this aggravated him.

"If anybody's gonna tell my story, I'm gonna do it."

Hatteberg: When he saw that story, he decided, "I'm back.

I'm starting up again."

Nobody in 2004 expected that.

Roehrman: So, a little while after The Eagle had its story

about the 30th anniversary of the Otero deaths,

a letter came into the newsroom,

and the return address was Bill Thomas Killman,

the initial as in "BTK."

Inside were three pretty blurry photos

of somebody lying on a floor and a driver's license.

Otis: My partner, Dana Gouge, and I

are sitting in the homicide unit,

working on cases.

A captain came up to the unit

and was holding an envelope in his hand,

and he said that a reporter from The Eagle newspaper said,

"This is a weird letter we got at the paper.

It appears to have a photocopy of three Polaroid pictures

of some female laying on the ground inside of a house."

I will never forget when Dana Gouge opened that letter.

He looked at what he had in front of him,

he slid it across the desk to me,

and there were three Polaroid photograph

photocopies of Vicki Wegerle laying dead in her home.

Also, with those three Polaroids,

was a photocopy of her missing Kansas

driver's license and the initials BTK.

That symbol was not out in the public.

And seeing that BTK symbol on a piece of paper

with pictures of Vicki was bone-chilling.


Singular: About a week later, Lieutenant Ken Landwehr,

who's in charge of the murder investigation,

has a press conference.

The Wichita Police Department on Friday

received information from The Wichita Eagle

and received a letter in the mail ...

referenced the homicide of Vicki Wegerle

on September 16, 1986.

The letter contained copies of photographs

and a personal item of Ms. Wegerle.

We've also been able to determine

that this communiqué most likely came from BTK.

We begin tonight with a killer on the loose,

a madman still out there taunting police and reporters.

He's known as the BTK killer because he binds, tortures,

and kills his victims.

For more than 30 years,

Wichita has lived in fear of those initials,

and tonight it seems he has surfaced yet again,

sending new clues about who he is and the lives he's taken.

Peters: We were scared to death.

It was a total replay of when he was killing in the '70s.

Was he still killing right now?

And who was gonna be next?



Jordan: In 2004, BTK is 59 years old,

and it's not that he's too old to murder,

but, remember, it's the power and control

that really fuels him.

He launches this new cat-and-mouse game

with the police and the local media

and the public to basically say,

"This is the 30th-year anniversary,

and guess who's back?"

It was even scarier because, when he resurfaced,

no one had known that he committed

the murder of Vicki Wegerle until he resurfaced.

So then we're like, "What other ones are there?"

Singular: BTK wanted attention.

He wanted attention for his crimes.

He wanted recognition.

So Lieutenant Landwehr decided,

"We want to set up communication with him.

We want to perhaps establish some sort of connection

with him."

Kenny Landwehr was a natural for that position.

A lot of Kenny's press conferences were always planned,

and it was part of a plan to keep BTK communicating,

keep him sending information to us, keep him talking.

This is one of the most challenging cases

that I've ever been involved with,

and I find that the individual that is doing this

would be very interesting to talk to.


Those type of conversations or those types of communications

are carefully choreographed and scripted.

You can't make any mistakes in those situations.

We knew that we were getting through to him

and he was actually listening to us.

Mattingly: The killer unleashed a flurry of communications

to local media,

three of them delivered to television station KAKE.

Peters: First, he sent the chapter book,

where he wanted to write his own story.

In one of the communications to station KAKE,

the killer recently detailed a list of possible chapter titles,

as if he were writing his own story about this case.

He couldn't stand the idea of someone else writing his story.

He was also giving suggestions on what kind of chapters

there should be in the book, how to break out his story

into different chapters for the audience to read.

The first section seems to describe

how the killer stalks a victim.

Some words are easy to find ... "prowl,"

"spot victim,"

"follow," "fantasies."

The names of the chapters were even frightening,

let alone the 13th chapter, "Will There Be More?"

Mattingly: He had obviously put a lot of thought into this.

The question was, how did he want his story to end?

That's the one thing nobody knew,

and then nobody knew what he had in mind.

Kiesling: Another mysterious postcard sent to KAKE today,

one that could be from BTK.

Peters: Then, after the puzzles came the postcards.

The postcards to KAKE-TV with clues.

"Go to the corner of this street and this street,

and you will find a cereal box under a stop sign.

In the cereal box will be another clue."

Well, we sent a reporter right out there.

Sure enough, there was a cereal box.

Inside of the cereal box, there were several things,

but the most disturbing thing was a doll,

almost like a Barbie-type doll, bound the way that BTK had bound

the little Otero girl in the basement.


We're all very seasoned homicide detectives,

and we were all shocked.

Recent communications from BTK have included

several items of jewelry.

There was jewelry included in the Post Toasties box

that was left on North Seneca Street,

as well in communication number 7,

in the package received yesterday by KSAS Fox 24.

Otis: The postcard in there talked about some of the crimes

and also commented that the media or the police

haven't talked about the Home Depot drop he made.

BTK had pulled into the parking lot of a Home Depot,

put a cereal box in an employee's truck bed.

The employee found it, called dispatch,

who called me, and we went and recovered that,

and it was more taunting with dolls and stolen jewelry.

On the plus side,

Home Depot had cameras covering their parking lot.

They had to shut down their store and their system

in order to obtain videotape.

You can't see him, but you can see the car come in,

you can see an individual get out of the car,

and then you can see something being placed

in the pickup of this employee, and then the car drives off.

Detective Relph, who knew a lot about cars,

tried to identify the car.

We had captured his vehicle at a Home Depot,

and we knew from the photograph

that he was driving a Jeep Cherokee.

That was the very first piece of evidence from BTK

that we got on our own, that wasn't given to us,

and that was a huge breakthrough.



Welcome back to "Very Scary People."

BTK had disappeared, no sign of him for more than 10 years,

but now he was back ...

the taunting, the cat-and-mouse games.

The citizens of Wichita are terrified.

BTK thinks he has the upper hand,

but all that is about to change.


He was writing to the police department

every once in a while, saying,

"I'm gonna take out an ad in the classifieds,

and I'm gonna give you a clue."

So Lieutenant Landwehr would read the classifieds

and would answer him in the classifieds.

Otis: One of the communications that he sent us,

BTK asked if we could trace a floppy disk.

And in that communication, he asked us to be honest.

He writes, "Be honest."

Now, I don't know what he was thinking,

if he had bumped his head that day

or what the hell he was thinking,

so he asked us to put it in the paper,

"Rex, it will be okay."

And so we put in the paper, "Rex, it will be okay."

That was meant to be, "Oh, don't worry about it."

We would never be able to trace that.

So he sends it.

The amusing thing to me was,

is that he told law enforcement to be honest, and we weren't.

I head out to pick up the package.

We get to the Fox station.

There's more jewelry in it, there's a note in it,

and the floppy disk.

We rush the floppy disk to our computer guy.

Randy Stone, the computer guy, puts it in the computer.

When I think about it, you still get goose bumps,

because I was present when the disk went into the computer.

The mistake that BTK made was, he made

a copy of that test file, and once he copied it,

it locked in identifiers in the computer gibberish.

I vividly recall going through, and then you see "Dennis,"

and then you see "Christ Lutheran Church."

Otis: The message on the disk had been created

at the Christ Lutheran Church in Park City.

We used Google and Googled the church.

It shows the church, where it's at in Park City,

and then it shows the officers of the church,

and Dennis Rader was listed as the congregational president.

Sure enough, right there ...

"President of the congregation, Dennis Rader."

They had their man.

Once they said the name Dennis, I can tell you,

some of us were already cheating our way to the car

'cause we knew we were going.

Singular: Detectives leave the Wichita Police Department,

drive up to Park City, go to his house,

and see, in the driveway, parked is the vehicle

that they'd picked up on the video

from the Home Depot parking lot.

Now they know that that is the vehicle,

and it's just one more piece confirming

that they're on the right track.

Otis: Once Detective Relph and Detective Snyder

found the black Jeep Cherokee in the driveway,

we were fairly, fairly confident

that this was our guy.

This Dennis Rader guy was BTK.

I can tell you that Detective Relph was ready,

and a couple of us were prepared to help him park

down the street, walk up, knock on the door,

and when he comes to the door, we're gonna grab him.

Lieutenant Landwehr said, "We're not gonna do that.

I need somebody to sit on the house.

We're gonna send undercover people up to start surveillance,

and I need everybody else to come back

to the task force office

so we can figure out how we're gonna do this."

Foulston: This is the killer?

What kind of background or history does this person have?

What kind of twisted life has this person led?

Singular: Dennis Rader was born in 1945 in Kansas,

and his family then later moved to Park City, Kansas.

He had three younger brothers.

He was the oldest, and that was very important to him

in that he thought of himself as a very responsible son.

We don't have any evidence at all

that he was horrifically abused.

He had married parents.

As far as we can tell, nothing bad ever happened

to young Dennis Rader.

At the same time, he had early on this penchant

for doing a couple of things that were somewhat unusual.

Someone in the family had these True Detective type magazines

from the 1950s,

where you would see women on the cover.

Maybe they were tied up,

or maybe they were looking at an attacker

who was off-screen in horror, and he was exposed to them,

and he found them stimulating.

He started making drawings of sort of mummy-like figures

where there would be women with lines across them,

as if they were being tied up.

O'Connor: He talked about, from a young age,

some family members being out on a farm

where they had killed a chicken, and that chicken

had to be tied to a stump before they cut its head off,

and he described being aroused by that.

Jordan: He was aware from a very young age

that he had these sexual fantasies

which were completely abnormal,

that he was what outsiders would call perverted,

that he had paraphilias and urges that nobody else shared,

and he fostered them.

He didn't talk to others about them.

He never went to a psychiatrist or a psychologist

to try to figure out where these urges were coming from.

He simply harbored them and knew that, some day,

he would act on them.


Mattingly: This wasn't any kind of criminal mastermind.

This wasn't some great intellectual.

But Dennis Rader was one thing.

He was a monster.

There's no other way that you could describe what he did.

Singular: Dennis Rader was married to Paula in 1971.

They would have two children.

From what we know, he was a devoted father and husband.

Jordan: Dennis Rader's long-time jobs ...

and he had two of them, really ...

were working as a crew chief for ADT Security ...

a job where he got to wear a uniform

and be a security expert ... and then later, of course,

the compliance officer for the town where he lived,

where he went around basically enforcing codes on barking dogs

and how high your grass is and whether or not you have

an unregistered vehicle in your driveway.

Dennis Rader was also a very steadfast member of his church

for decades, Christ Lutheran Church.

By January of 2005,

he had become the president of the congregation,

and that means taking care of a lot of business

and running council meetings and all of that.

So he could not have had a higher standing

inside of his faith.

Foulston: It was like, "Oh, my God.

This is the person that's been doing this?

This guy who's hyper-religious, involved with his church

and loves the Boy Scouts and does all this?

This is the killer?"

Morton: He was busy.

I mean, his son was an Eagle Scout.

He used to take his son to all those camp-outs

they have to do.

His daughter was also involved in all kinds of things,

and he was involved in her life, as well.

We knew he had to be involved in his own life,

and matter of fact, we stated the reason he stopped

was because life caught up with him.

I was not surprised that he was able to compartmentalize

this away from his family so his family had no idea.

Burgess: This is not uncommon for these serial killers

to talk about having the good and the bad side,

or the evil side and the good side.

I mean, they do dichotomize themselves.

I even had one serial killer that had himself

in three different parts ... you know,

his work life, his home life, and his killing life.

So they are able to compartmentalize.

That's a tactic that they have that they're able to do,

and they kind of pride themselves on it.

Law enforcement went about stalking Dennis Rader

for a week.

We had, like, a war room where we started investigating Rader.

We went back to the task force and sat around

and began to discuss what our plan was going to be.

Singular: Lieutenant Landwehr says, "What we need is DNA.

Now, we have those three DNA samples

that we have been in storage for now 31 years ...

the Otero crime scene, the Fox crime scene,

and the Wegerle crime scene."

Otis: We're talking about following him,

seeing if he'll drop a fork in a restaurant

or if he'd smoke a cigarette and throw it down.

By this time, we knew Dennis Rader had a daughter,

and his daughter had attended college

at Kansas State University.

One of the agents that was working with us knew that campus

and said they had a women's clinic on campus

for the students.

Maybe we can look for the Pap smear of her.

O'Connor: We had a lot of discussion about it,

and, ultimately, the decision was made

that the privacy interests were outweighed

by the law-enforcement interests in catching a serial killer.

We had presented it to a judge to get court approval,

and then we were able to obtain that Pap smear

and do that reverse DNA.

Otis: About 24 hours later, Lieutenant Landwehr

took a phone call from the DNA scientist, who said,

"I can't tell you that Dennis Rader is your killer,

but I can tell you that the father of Kerri Rader is BTK."

And then we had our DNA match.



Otis: When we got that DNA sample

back, we planned the arrest.

The plan was, three cars would take him down

on the side of the road, we'd attempt to arrest him.

If he would've resisted, it'd have been a bad day for him.

Foulston: These things are now moving very quickly.

It was planned and orchestrated.

Everything was in order.

Dennis Rader gets up, goes through his routine,

gets in his truck, and goes about his job that morning.

He always leaves for lunch at exactly 12:15 to go home.

Takes him two minutes to get there.

They'd done enough surveillance, and we were very familiar

with his routine by this point.

He came down the road.

He was coming from work.

The truck went down the road, and I slammed my car in drive.

Police cars pull in around him, stop him, tell him to get out.

Otis: We got him out of the car, we put him on the ground,

and we handcuffed him.

We stood him up.

And in the very back of our line of our police cars

was Lieutenant Landwehr in the back seat of a Ford Taurus.

Dennis Rader was put in the back seat

right next to Kenny Landwehr.

And they look at each other.

"Hello, Mr. Landwehr."

"Hello, Mr. Rader."

Landwehr says, "Do you know why you're here?"

He says, "I have a pretty good idea."

Otis: We had staged the interview with Dennis Rader

far in advance of him being in that room.

We had a camera and obviously audio and video

recording going on.

Morton: Literally, in 3 hours and 15 minutes,

it got to a point where Ken was finally talking to him about DNA

and where we could get DNA from.

He basically said, "Well, you got me,"

and he still wouldn't say it.

So I finally looked at him and said, "Come on, Dennis,

just tell us who you are."

You're BTK. Okay.

We begin tonight with breaking news in the case.

We have just learned that Dennis Rader

has now been booked into the Sedgwick County Jail.

Peters: Rader has been charged with 10 counts now

of first-degree murder.

Today is a very historic day

for the Wichita Police Department.

BTK is arrested.

[Cheers and applause]

Relph: Once he was caught

and they did the search of his house...

...then in the crawlspace area, he had a big ziplock bag

that had stuff from Dolores and Marine,

and he had several Polaroids.

O'Connor: He had things in his home,

and that's why people had speculated,

how could the wife not know?

And it's because most of the stuff

was behind false drawers or false walls, so hidden.

Otis: He told us about the cabinet in his office.

The top drawer was work stuff.

We opened the bottom drawer, and it was full of BTK

memorabilia ... newspaper clippings,

some of his original pictures,

some of his original 1970s letter to the cops.

He called it "the mother lode."

Foulston: He was really prolific.

He used to take photographs of himself.

He would half-bury himself.

He would swing from trees.

He would put masks on.

He would put women's clothing on.

It was despicable, disgusting, sexually bereft-type of stuff

that you have never seen in your life

and you don't ever want to see again.

And that was all involved with that case.

In our minds, as this was discussed

and kind of profiled down at the Behavioral Science Unit,

was really his art.

And he does a lot in what we call the expressive style.

He really likes that.

O'Connor: He actually entered pleas

of guilty to the 10 homicides,

and so Judge Waller had Rader describe the murders

at his guilty plea, and I believe Dennis Rader

was more than happy to describe what he had done.

Man: When you went into the house, what happened then?

Well, I confronted the family.

I pulled the pistol, confronted Mr. Otero.

Otero: That day we went to court,

and we listened to the testimony

about how my family was killed. It was very, very hard.

I didn't have a mask on or anything.

They already could I.D. me.

It was once again that feeling of my chest being ripped open,

had come back to me.

And made a decision

to go ahead and ... and put 'em down.

Otis: He recited them like he was reading a book.


And that was spine-chilling.

Otero: Everybody asks me, "Do you forgive him?"

All I can say is, I can't lie to you ... no.

As far as, like, his punishment goes,

I hope he lives a long, rotten life.

You know, I don't forgive him.

I know that's a problem I have as a Christian.

The Lord knows how I feel about it.

When I hear the name "Dennis Rader,"

the first thing that comes to mind is disgust.

Dennis Rader has never really truly apologized

for anything he's done, has never truly apologized

to the victims' families, has never,

I feel, felt remorse for what he did.

Otero: It was a great family.

My mom was great, she really was ... and my dad.

And that's why, when I do these interviews,

one of the reasons why is just, for one instant, my family,

who've been gone for almost 40 years now,

they're relevant again in today's society.

They existed, and the world knows they existed,

and they didn't just get erased from life

and swept under the carpet.

They were somebody, and they were worthy of life, you know?

And, to me, that's important.

O'Connor: Dennis Rader was sentenced to 10 life sentences,

all run consecutive to one another,

so he'll die in prison.

He is in the El Dorado Correctional Facility.

Foulston: The first question that people would ask,

"Why can't you get the death penalty for him?"

I'll say, "Oh, because there was no death penalty for those times

and places where these incidents occurred."

This was somebody that should not have lived.

I wish we'd had the death penalty for him.

After what he did?

O'Connor: He liked what he did.

It may be something that's hard for us to grasp,

why a person would want to do that, but he enjoyed it.

It wasn't his parents' fault, wasn't society's fault.

He just liked doing what he was doing

and wished he could've done it more.

It's what he wanted to do, it's what he wanted to be,

and if he had his choice, that's who he would be,

not the Dennis Rader

the husband/father/compliance officer.

He wanted to be BTK the serial killer.

After Dennis Rader's arrest,

his wife was granted an emergency divorce.

Over the years, his daughter

has exchanged letters with her father,

searching for some kind of explanation

for his horrible deeds,

if something violent happened to him during his childhood,

but Rader has always insisted

he was never physically or sexually abused as a child.

Lieutenant Kenny Landwehr was determined to get his man,

and he did.

Many credit him as the reason Rader

was finally captured.

A true hero, Landwehr died in 2014 after a battle with cancer.

I'm Donnie Wahlberg.

Thanks for watching.

Good night.