Touching Evil (1997–1999): Season 3, Episode 2 - Innocent: Part 2 - full transcript
I didn't say thanks.
Well, it's gonna do.
What is this thing about
you being on sick leave?
Oh, don't worry.
Don't worry Mark,
it's not contagious.
Control, over.
Who was she?
Name's Jackie Salvo.
Her credit card's
inside her purse.
They're looking
for a next of kin.
There was a white bin
bag next to her body
containing her heart and
some of her clothing.
Who found her?
One of the
drivers, just after 8:00.
Whoever did this left her
body under the back wheels
of the cab.
Driver backed straight over it.
No connection between
her and the the driver?
He couldn't even
identify the body.
We'll be expected
to rearrest Matchin.
Matchin's dead.
He walked into the North Sea.
And you walked in after him.
We need to find out
why she was left here
and who her next of kin is.
If Matchin couldn't
have done this,
that makes Fitten
the chief suspect.
Fitten didn't do this.
You know that for a fact?
Fitten isn't the killer.
We're wasting our time.
Another woman has
just been murdered.
Instead of standing here arguing
can we agree what we're doing
for once and get on with it?
Yeah, I want Fitten rearrested.
Can you go and do that now?
Has somebody
taken your statement Mr. Khan?
Somebody's taken
my statement five times over.
I've got no idea who she is.
I'm sorry to say, I'd
like to get back to work.
I'm tired.
I'm going home.
You know, this guy is
not even next of kin.
What do I do, Creegan?
What am I after I've been
brought in to offer counseling?
He ran over the body.
It isn't his wife,
he doesn't give a toss.
All he wants to do is
go to see, brother.
Sorry we wasted your time.
Anthony Matchin's
dead, drowned himself.
Found his body 20 minutes ago.
Well,
That's it then.
It got him in the end.
Look, it's possible
the killer mistook Tariq
Khan for Jackie's boyfriend.
Whoever the boyfriend is,
we're trying to find him.
Sorry, I don't want to be here.
Well, maybe in the morning then.
I can't think I won't feel
the same in the morning.
Look, I really don't think
I can help you anymore.
I got a wife sitting at
home now doing ironing
because she's too scared
to go back to bed.
I can't sleep.
Look, like a road traffic
accident or sudden death
in the family, that's one thing.
But I'm dealing with
something that I am
not trained for here and it's--
frankly, it's-- it's
my marriage or this.
- That's what I said.
- He's ready.
They've put him into
the interview room.
Not you.
One side of the moon
never receives any sunlight.
The dark side.
The killings are in tune
to the phases of the moon.
So you've bought the observer's
book of astronomy, have you?
Little pocket book
about this big?
Came out about the
same time as the "I
Spy" book of serial killers.
All the other victims were
found by their husbands.
Jackie Salvo will be the same.
We've checked.
She wasn't married.
Well, it doesn't have
to be a piece of paper.
This isn't 1890.
Talk to everybody who
worked at North Gate,
find out who knew Jackie Salvo.
DI Taylor has already asked me.
That place has got 65 men.
48 of those are driving
on the continent.
We've spoken with
everyone who worked
with Jackie at the job center.
According to them, she
kept herself to herself.
Speak to them again.
He's tied into a lunar cycle.
There's no correlation
between the times
or any of the killings and
the phases of the moon.
Found it in my office.
Only one out of the
three nights was clear.
Your home is at
risk if you don't
keep up the payments
on a mortgage
or a loan secured on it.
What?
You're not listening.
If you're not going to listen,
what's the point of being here?
And the next time I
conduct an interview,
can you at least
stay until the end?
We've got a problem.
This is serious.
They've given my room away.
- Don't suppose?
- No.
OK.
Heads or tails.
Don't mind.
Look the same.
Do you snore?
Only when I sleep.
You?
Kerry used to say--
Don't you'll have me in tears.
All right, get a
coat hanger, pretend
I'm sleeping with someone else.
That mine?
Yeah, didn't bring
enough warm clothes.
Nice look.
Local post mark.
So the killer was in
Ellandon yesterday afternoon?
And Jackie Salvo was
murdered last night.
That means he posted it
before he killed her.
Who's Carl Laing?
Carl Laing's Jackie
Salvo's next of kin.
Carl Laing?
What have I done now?
What made you change your mind?
Had it changed for me.
Liz left for her
sister's this morning.
She didn't want to stay.
I mean, she didn't
want me to go with her.
Well, human contact
with something
evil, you know,
people closest to you
are going to find
that difficult.
Yeah.
Well, here we all are.
I've just seen her.
She was a mess.
I wanted to kiss her.
What did you do?
I kissed her.
There's no need to be
embarrassed about that.
I'm not embarrassed.
I wanted to hold her
but the technician
said it wasn't a good idea.
But I held her anyway.
However hard I tried,
I still couldn't
seem to think of her as dead.
And I couldn't let her go.
Well, I hope nobody
said that you should.
We've been together
nearly four years,
we're talking about
getting married.
I don't know what
I'm going to do.
Fitten wants to speak to you.
Wants to confess.
Yeah?
What?
Heard you wanted to chat.
Get the sweets?
How did you kill her?
I strangled her.
Just like the rest.
Just like that?
No.
Not just like that.
There's a lot we have
to go through first.
There's a power
point in the body.
I used to be an electrician.
So she got 240 volts
every time she moved.
You used to be an electrician.
Don't tell me, you
were sacked by a woman.
What do you think I am, Wayne?
Stupid?
Any man who's been humiliated
in any way by a women
has a standard adolescent
fantasy of seeking revenge.
It's got nothing to do
with what's happening,
not even worth a bag of sweets.
I killed those women.
No, you didn't.
You're a thinker, you don't do.
You're watching too
much television.
Now why don't you get out
there and get some fresh air?
Why don't you get
out there and meet
somebody like JoAnne or Jackie?
Get a haircut, get a
girlfriend, get a life.
What is it with you, Creegan?
Well, you do know there's been
a major alert out for him.
Fitten claims he tortured
each of the victims.
They weren't tortured.
They were mutilated methodically
and carefully after they
were killed, not before.
Proving what?
The killer wanted to harm the
man who found them much more
than he wanted to
harm the women.
Has anyone got
anything against you?
You mean against Jackie?
No.
No, I mean you.
I don't understand.
Do you want to take a break?
No.
I think somebody
tried to harm you, Carl.
I mean, have you
argued with anyone,
done anything to upset anybody?
Malloy.
Who's Malloy?
He's a bastard who calls
himself the transport manager.
We're working to fiddle
in a few of their lots.
We'd take a full load out,
one would come back empty,
we'd load it with
cases of booze.
Me and Tariq were runners.
We thought Malloy had set us
up and I was being followed.
That was why Tariq was going
to take the load instead of me.
Someone was following
us into work.
You sure?
I thought he was
watching the house.
Whoever this guy was, I
couldn't shake him off.
Were you close enough
to get a look at him?
No.
Why doesn't he kill the man?
By sending you cards
with their names on it,
why didn't he just
get it over with?
He doesn't want them dead.
He wants them to suffer.
It's about power.
He's taking something
away that belongs to them.
It's like sleeping with
another man's wife.
You sleep with a married
woman, that's part of you
trying to get to the husband.
I'm not talking from experience.
Never had the time.
But if I wanted
to harm somebody,
I'd do something to
someone they cared for.
The women can't just
be a means to an end.
He wouldn't do this if
he didn't hate them.
He's beyond that.
He's using them.
Why send you the cards?
He sent them to you, he
didn't send them to me.
He wants another
man to stop him.
I want to talk to the
partners of all the victims.
I want to find out if any of
the other men have been followed
and start with Peter Carol.
Can't, he's at a
press conference.
What press conference?
He's appealing for information.
Enwright's idea.
That is exactly
what the killer wants.
A basic component
of serial crime
is the need for recognition.
Parading those men on
national television
is only showing the killer
what he needs to see.
Dave, it's Enwright's idea.
That is a massive incitement
for him to kill again.
This isn't about the
man, it's about the women.
The killer doesn't hate women.
Oh, don't talk shit, Creegan.
This is Ellandon not
Chelsea bloody Harbor.
There-- there's nothing complex
about people around here.
The way they kill is
really very disappointing.
I'm not talking to you.
Well, I'm talking to you.
I can take you out
there right now
and I can you how
these murders happened.
First, there's a lot of the
very violent men in this town.
Second, this violence is
directed towards women.
Third, one of these
men is the killer.
And know I'm treated
like shit all week
and then come Friday, when
it all comes pouring out.
All his fears, his
frustrations, he's
got to take it out on
somebody and before he
knows what's happened well--
well, someone's been killed.
That's not how it is.
Don't tell me how it is.
Look, if you're trying to
tell me that the killer wants
to harm the men, well you're--
you're more off your
head than I thought.
Is this because of how
you feel about your wife?
Oh, right and what about
what happened to yours?
Leave it.
Just leave it.
What's the matter, Creegan?
Hit your own nerve?
Where's the press conference?
No!
Peter.
I really don't think
you should do this.
This isn't going to help.
If Enwright see's your
face all over tomorrow's
papers, what's going to happen?
Look, I know there's a thin
line between genius and madness
but do we have to show
everyone which side we're on?
If anybody has any information
about the person who
did this, you should
contact the police immediately.
It's 11:05, this
is on the telly
and I'm still eating my lunch.
...this again.
Mr. Carol.
Mr. Carol.
Well, all these men
have been very badly hurt.
But why these men?
Why were they selected?
It doesn't work like that.
They're individuals.
They must have
something in common.
People aren't a thing, Creegan.
They're a process.
They change over
time, they get better
despite the circumstances.
Tell me about Carl Laing.
Carl Laing wishes he was dead.
He's punishing himself
because someone he cared about
died while he was
200 miles away.
Pete Carroll is
clinically depressed.
John is still angry and
guilty after two years.
You tell me what any of
them have got in common.
They've all been bereaved.
Exactly.
You're back where you started.
What if I get them all
together in the same room?
You'll be telling them that
this was all their fault.
I really shouldn't do
that if I were you.
I mean, Anthony Matchin blamed
himself for Suzanne's death.
I don't have to remind
you what happened to him.
No, no, no.
Don't do that.
Is there anyone anywhere
in the last three
years who might
have a grudge against you?
I don't mean someone
who doesn't like you,
I mean someone who
really hates you.
Frank?
John?
Hate has enough to do with it?
If you can think
of anyone at all.
Where's Malloy?
It wasn't Malloy, Carl.
Malloy was in Macbeth.
My brother hates me.
I don't think he's done this.
Does your brother
know anyone here?
I'm serious.
My brother moved to
New Zealand in 1983.
He said he couldn't
get far enough away.
Look, the truth is
we've all got enemies.
Everyone makes enemies
all of the time.
Is there anyone anywhere?
There's a ratio of us.
I don't see what that's
got to do with all of this.
If you can
think of anyone at all--
I haven't worked in over a year.
Who might
have a grudge against you.
I can't remember.
Is this what happened to Lisa?
For the Ryan estate?
Come on, now.
Come on, it'll be all right.
I'll tell you
what we've got in common,
we're all getting tired of this.
Is anyone in charge of him?
What is it with you, Creegan.
I'm not making excuses
for being in charge.
I haven't got a problem
with you being in charge.
Yeah, then why have you
been such a difficult bastard?
You sent your family into exile.
That wasn't my idea.
Why do you have to
take it out on me?
I'm taking it out on everybody.
Can we talk about
something else?
Would you just keep out of this?
Come on.
Be honest.
Can't deny it.
What's this, start of
a no comment interview?
I'm sick of hearing this.
We're supposed to be a team.
Why can't we just wrap
this up and go home?
Why did I think of that?
The killer's a misogynist.
Can't we just stick to that?
He's not.
He hates everybody,
including himself.
It's a case of
takes one to know one.
I'm going to bed.
Why did you have to say that?
Going to try Hannah again.
Where you going?
Some of us have got
someone to go back to.
Hi,
you've reached Hannah and Mark.
I'm afraid we're not here right
now but please leave a message.
Hi, it's me again and it's late.
Think-- I think I
really need to talk.
I'm pretty sick of it here.
This is just--
I'll call you-- I'll
call you in the morning.
That's what I'll do.
I'm sorry if I've--
if I've woken you up.
Sorry.
OK.
Goodnight.
So you-- you're nowhere
near to finding this guy.
I wouldn't hold your breath.
This place is grim.
The whole building.
I'm not knocking
it, but it's grim.
Not good for me.
I've also figured
out why you do what you do.
People are dying to get out.
So if you're
not going to find this guy,
what's the point in staying?
I'm responsible.
This is serious business
and I'm not in charge,
but I'm responsible.
We've been up here
all this time.
We're no further on.
Anthony Matchin's dead.
Joanne Carroll's dead.
Jackie Saville was
only 24 years old.
She's dead.
They're all dead.
It's no way to die,
is it, you know?
24 years old.
Your heart ripped out and
stuffed in a dust bin bag
and left at the back of a
lorry for someone to find.
I dare say that isn't what
her parents had in mind.
I daresay her boyfriend
had other plans.
Sure you don't
want some of this?
Can I use your toilet?
Yeah.
Top of the stairs on the right.
It's good coffee.
Thank you.
I should've told them all this.
I shouldn't be bothering you.
Why didn't you tell them?
They were too busy taking
chunks out of each other.
I'm getting married
in nine weeks time.
Great.
That's all I need to know.
This is all dead.
It doesn't fit in.
Hannah thinks I'm on a drug
case with Customs and Excise.
How-- how do you
feel about lying?
How do I feel?
I've got an Italian
suit, an American gun,
Japanese mobile phone, direct
line to the Home Secretary,
and a mandate to do pretty much
what the hell I like, actually.
But the one thing I can't do is
talk to the person I'm marrying
and tell her the truth.
Taylor can do this.
Creegan can do
this in his sleep.
You know they got
rid of his family--
the OSC.
And new names, and
new addresses--
he can't even find them.
I don't want that.
If you're going to turn
over your life to something,
it should be something
that makes you proud.
That's why I'm getting out.
I'm doing things I'm
not proud of anymore.
If you don't stand
for something,
you'll fall for
anything, won't you?
Where did you say
your toilet was?
Upstairs on the right.
Thank you.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
It's OK.
It's OK.
But you cut me.
It's OK.
I'm sorry.
Sorry.
It's OK.
It's OK.
Ah, it's late.
I'll call you-- I call
you in the morning.
Hiya, Hannah.
It's me again.
And it's late.
I think-- I think I
really need to talk.
I'm pretty sick of it
here and this-- uh--
just-- I-- uh, I'll call you--
I'll call you in the morning.
That's what I'll do.
I'm sorry if I've woken you up.
Sorry.
Hannah.
Good night.
Good night.
We're looking for witnesses.
Talking to all the
hotel staff up there.
I've got a kid who
thinks he saw the car.
Thinks it arrived before 4:00.
Him and his girlfriend
left shortly afterwards.
Did he have a
look at the driver?
He says he didn't.
We're still trying to
contact the girlfriend.
You've no idea where
he might have gone
after he left you last night?
I don't know.
We'd been drinking.
Look, uh-- we can speak
about this later, then.
No.
I want to sort this out now.
Sorry.
Sorry.
Well, we'll get this
bastard one way or the other.
If I have to rip this
town apart, I will.
Eh, look.
Don't take this
personally, Creegan,
but you look like shite.
- Do you want a cup of tea?
- So what is it?
Tea and sympathy?
You look like you need it.
Tea?
Sympathy.
Do you want me to
take your coat?
I wanted to tell
you how sorry I am.
Look.
I'm not trying to
sell you anything.
Don't want to put you
under any pressure, but--
You want to know if I'm
in need of counseling?
For what it's worth.
Where did you meet him?
In Hell Park.
He'd come back from
playing football
and I couldn't start the car.
He-- he had some of that stuff
that you spray on the engine,
and next thing I know,
we've been out for a drink.
I'll be all right in a minute.
He-- he said you
were in Liverpool.
He-- he told me you
were doing some drugs
thing with Customs and Excise.
I've been told he was
killed up in Ellindon.
I'm not stupid.
I read the papers.
I know that Mark
lied to protect me.
How was he killed?
These are his clothes.
I've finished the autopsy.
It's all right to be viewed.
Massive internal hemorrhaging
from the stab wounds.
Strangulation after that.
There's evidence of a struggle.
He fought back.
I think he dug his fingers
into the killer's neck.
Have you seen
everything you need?
You'll have a couple of minutes.
Didn't take his gun with him.
Wherever he went, he felt safe.
You know we'll find the killer.
There'll be forensic evidence.
Rivers would have scarred
him when he fought back.
Can't think about that.
I don't know what to think.
I haven't had a straight thought
my head since I saw Mark.
Hannah didn't even
know he was up here.
But that's not
all he was hiding.
I found this in his kitchen.
He got a copy of
the personnel file.
Enright gave it to him
day before you came up.
I don't wanna exacerbate
your natural paranoia.
Enright had asked him
to compile a report
on your ability to do the job.
Enright told him to do it?
What else could he do?
You put one foot wrong, Dave.
Don't come back at all.
Forget this.
You can't read that far.
The local police are
looking for the killer.
Let them go.
We're going to get
they guy that did this.
He's not going to
get away with it.
We'll make him pay.
No!
It wasn't me.
Why me?
Why me?
I know you didn't do it.
I know you didn't do it.
I know you didn't do it.
Sorry.
I'm really sorry.
I'm so sorry.
I'm so sorry.
Creegan?
I didn't think anything
could touch me anymore.
He was a friend.
I can still see it.
What was left in
the boot of the car.
I don't ever want to look
at anything like that again.
Nothing compares to the
shock of seeing that.
It's changed me for good.
I know that you did it, Michael.
Well, you sent me the cards.
You wanted me to
know that you did it.
You sent me the
cards and you left
him where I would find him.
I need you to tell me
that you did it, Michael.
Otherwise we can't move on.
It's all right.
You can say it.
Take it off.
I'm asking you to take it off.
Show me.
Do you know why?
You lonely?
You afraid of rejection?
Happens to the best
of us, especially
when you don't belong.
You're like me.
You grew up around
here but you never
really felt you fitted in.
You want to be the same,
but you're different.
Peter, Frank, Tony,
Carl-- they'd all
got something we've not.
You became a therapist.
I moved down to London.
They became fitters and welders.
It wasn't just
because you're lonely.
You wanted the company of
a particular kind of man.
They were strong.
They knew who they were.
They knew where--
well, they thought they
knew where they were going.
Killing their wives
and girlfriends
brought those men
directly to you.
You didn't have
to lift a finger.
The police pushed them
straight through your door.
Did you get a hard on
talking to Carl Laing?
I am--
I'm not a homosexual.
I never said you were.
Just asking.
Did talking to Carl Laing
give you an erection?
I got excited.
Yeah.
But I never wanted to
sleep with him or anything.
Is it the grief that
makes you excited?
You know, you reduce
this man to tears.
The one thing he needs more
than anything in the world
has just been taken away from
him, and all he's got left
now is you.
Is that how it works?
Well, you know it is.
And is that why I'm here?
Am I your next victim?
No.
It isn't like that.
I panicked.
I thought Mark worked it out.
I panicked.
Yes, but you left his
body where I would find him.
You must have wanted me here.
I wanted you to break down.
I still might.
Uh-- I didn't plan to kill him.
I'm really sorry.
Well, it's like
you said, Michael.
Life goes on.
What's important to me now
is that I don't let him down.
Not just because my partner's--
in fact, he betrayed me
to the people I work for.
It's the fact that he's
dead, and you killed him.
I've got to do
something about that.
Who you calling?
A friend.
I've been looking
everywhere for you.
I'm at Lawler's house.
What are you doing?
Look.
Just stop.
You didn't stop.
You didn't stop
with Lisa D'Silva.
You carried on, but by the
time you got to Matchin,
you cut open Suzanne and
you hung her upside down
outside his home.
Don't talk about this.
I don't care.
I want to know why you
chose Anthony Matchin.
Look, my car had broken down.
Matchin came round to help.
But why did it have to be him?
Look, there are some things
in life you cannot explain.
Life's sacred,
and you take life.
You destroy it for
personal pleasure,
and then you act out
this shitty little ritual
as though the whole thing
has some sort of meaning.
What pushed you over the edge?
Was it Frank?
It's really-- it's
hard to explain.
There was-- there was something
about Frank that's-- that seemed
to bring everything together.
He knew things that I thought
about-- things I didn't know,
and he was someone to admire.
Someone to-- to be with.
His wife came in for counseling.
She was very upset by the
death of Frank's mother.
Frank came with her.
Started going to
see her at home.
Couldn't believe
what I was doing.
You know, walking up the
stairs, I'm thinking to myself,
what are you doing?
You know, talking to myself
and saying, this is stupid.
This is crazy.
This is crazy, you know.
You've got to stop this.
You've got to stop this
before someone gets hurt.
And then there was the
window and it was open.
So you pushed her through.
There's always the
temptation to destroy--
to do what's wrong.
You have to fight against it
to preserve your own sanity,
but you've got to
choose what is right.
And if I didn't think that was
true, you would be dead now.
Stand where he
stood when you did it.
Is this it?
Is this what you used?
You start here?
Work your way up?
Go and sit in the car.
Wait for me.
I'm the commanding officer here.
I'm ordering you to go outside.
Somebody has got to do it.
My fiance is dead, Creegan.
Please go outside.
You go outside now,
you're not a witness.
I can't do this if you're here.
Killing him would be a pleasure.
You're going to enjoy it.
That's going to stick with
you for the rest of your life.
Hand me the knife.
No.
I don't want you to do this.
Give me the knife.
Mark would not want
you to do this.
Give it to me.
Everybody trusted you.
Interview between David Creegan
and Susan Taylor of the
Organized and Serial Crimes
Unit and Michael James Lawler.
The time is 22:17.
I didn't have
anything against the women.
I tried to kill Lisa
because of Frank.
I killed Melanie
Holland because of John.
I killed Suzanne because of
Yeah.
Yeah.
Tell us about Anthony Matchin.
Well, it's gonna do.
What is this thing about
you being on sick leave?
Oh, don't worry.
Don't worry Mark,
it's not contagious.
Control, over.
Who was she?
Name's Jackie Salvo.
Her credit card's
inside her purse.
They're looking
for a next of kin.
There was a white bin
bag next to her body
containing her heart and
some of her clothing.
Who found her?
One of the
drivers, just after 8:00.
Whoever did this left her
body under the back wheels
of the cab.
Driver backed straight over it.
No connection between
her and the the driver?
He couldn't even
identify the body.
We'll be expected
to rearrest Matchin.
Matchin's dead.
He walked into the North Sea.
And you walked in after him.
We need to find out
why she was left here
and who her next of kin is.
If Matchin couldn't
have done this,
that makes Fitten
the chief suspect.
Fitten didn't do this.
You know that for a fact?
Fitten isn't the killer.
We're wasting our time.
Another woman has
just been murdered.
Instead of standing here arguing
can we agree what we're doing
for once and get on with it?
Yeah, I want Fitten rearrested.
Can you go and do that now?
Has somebody
taken your statement Mr. Khan?
Somebody's taken
my statement five times over.
I've got no idea who she is.
I'm sorry to say, I'd
like to get back to work.
I'm tired.
I'm going home.
You know, this guy is
not even next of kin.
What do I do, Creegan?
What am I after I've been
brought in to offer counseling?
He ran over the body.
It isn't his wife,
he doesn't give a toss.
All he wants to do is
go to see, brother.
Sorry we wasted your time.
Anthony Matchin's
dead, drowned himself.
Found his body 20 minutes ago.
Well,
That's it then.
It got him in the end.
Look, it's possible
the killer mistook Tariq
Khan for Jackie's boyfriend.
Whoever the boyfriend is,
we're trying to find him.
Sorry, I don't want to be here.
Well, maybe in the morning then.
I can't think I won't feel
the same in the morning.
Look, I really don't think
I can help you anymore.
I got a wife sitting at
home now doing ironing
because she's too scared
to go back to bed.
I can't sleep.
Look, like a road traffic
accident or sudden death
in the family, that's one thing.
But I'm dealing with
something that I am
not trained for here and it's--
frankly, it's-- it's
my marriage or this.
- That's what I said.
- He's ready.
They've put him into
the interview room.
Not you.
One side of the moon
never receives any sunlight.
The dark side.
The killings are in tune
to the phases of the moon.
So you've bought the observer's
book of astronomy, have you?
Little pocket book
about this big?
Came out about the
same time as the "I
Spy" book of serial killers.
All the other victims were
found by their husbands.
Jackie Salvo will be the same.
We've checked.
She wasn't married.
Well, it doesn't have
to be a piece of paper.
This isn't 1890.
Talk to everybody who
worked at North Gate,
find out who knew Jackie Salvo.
DI Taylor has already asked me.
That place has got 65 men.
48 of those are driving
on the continent.
We've spoken with
everyone who worked
with Jackie at the job center.
According to them, she
kept herself to herself.
Speak to them again.
He's tied into a lunar cycle.
There's no correlation
between the times
or any of the killings and
the phases of the moon.
Found it in my office.
Only one out of the
three nights was clear.
Your home is at
risk if you don't
keep up the payments
on a mortgage
or a loan secured on it.
What?
You're not listening.
If you're not going to listen,
what's the point of being here?
And the next time I
conduct an interview,
can you at least
stay until the end?
We've got a problem.
This is serious.
They've given my room away.
- Don't suppose?
- No.
OK.
Heads or tails.
Don't mind.
Look the same.
Do you snore?
Only when I sleep.
You?
Kerry used to say--
Don't you'll have me in tears.
All right, get a
coat hanger, pretend
I'm sleeping with someone else.
That mine?
Yeah, didn't bring
enough warm clothes.
Nice look.
Local post mark.
So the killer was in
Ellandon yesterday afternoon?
And Jackie Salvo was
murdered last night.
That means he posted it
before he killed her.
Who's Carl Laing?
Carl Laing's Jackie
Salvo's next of kin.
Carl Laing?
What have I done now?
What made you change your mind?
Had it changed for me.
Liz left for her
sister's this morning.
She didn't want to stay.
I mean, she didn't
want me to go with her.
Well, human contact
with something
evil, you know,
people closest to you
are going to find
that difficult.
Yeah.
Well, here we all are.
I've just seen her.
She was a mess.
I wanted to kiss her.
What did you do?
I kissed her.
There's no need to be
embarrassed about that.
I'm not embarrassed.
I wanted to hold her
but the technician
said it wasn't a good idea.
But I held her anyway.
However hard I tried,
I still couldn't
seem to think of her as dead.
And I couldn't let her go.
Well, I hope nobody
said that you should.
We've been together
nearly four years,
we're talking about
getting married.
I don't know what
I'm going to do.
Fitten wants to speak to you.
Wants to confess.
Yeah?
What?
Heard you wanted to chat.
Get the sweets?
How did you kill her?
I strangled her.
Just like the rest.
Just like that?
No.
Not just like that.
There's a lot we have
to go through first.
There's a power
point in the body.
I used to be an electrician.
So she got 240 volts
every time she moved.
You used to be an electrician.
Don't tell me, you
were sacked by a woman.
What do you think I am, Wayne?
Stupid?
Any man who's been humiliated
in any way by a women
has a standard adolescent
fantasy of seeking revenge.
It's got nothing to do
with what's happening,
not even worth a bag of sweets.
I killed those women.
No, you didn't.
You're a thinker, you don't do.
You're watching too
much television.
Now why don't you get out
there and get some fresh air?
Why don't you get
out there and meet
somebody like JoAnne or Jackie?
Get a haircut, get a
girlfriend, get a life.
What is it with you, Creegan?
Well, you do know there's been
a major alert out for him.
Fitten claims he tortured
each of the victims.
They weren't tortured.
They were mutilated methodically
and carefully after they
were killed, not before.
Proving what?
The killer wanted to harm the
man who found them much more
than he wanted to
harm the women.
Has anyone got
anything against you?
You mean against Jackie?
No.
No, I mean you.
I don't understand.
Do you want to take a break?
No.
I think somebody
tried to harm you, Carl.
I mean, have you
argued with anyone,
done anything to upset anybody?
Malloy.
Who's Malloy?
He's a bastard who calls
himself the transport manager.
We're working to fiddle
in a few of their lots.
We'd take a full load out,
one would come back empty,
we'd load it with
cases of booze.
Me and Tariq were runners.
We thought Malloy had set us
up and I was being followed.
That was why Tariq was going
to take the load instead of me.
Someone was following
us into work.
You sure?
I thought he was
watching the house.
Whoever this guy was, I
couldn't shake him off.
Were you close enough
to get a look at him?
No.
Why doesn't he kill the man?
By sending you cards
with their names on it,
why didn't he just
get it over with?
He doesn't want them dead.
He wants them to suffer.
It's about power.
He's taking something
away that belongs to them.
It's like sleeping with
another man's wife.
You sleep with a married
woman, that's part of you
trying to get to the husband.
I'm not talking from experience.
Never had the time.
But if I wanted
to harm somebody,
I'd do something to
someone they cared for.
The women can't just
be a means to an end.
He wouldn't do this if
he didn't hate them.
He's beyond that.
He's using them.
Why send you the cards?
He sent them to you, he
didn't send them to me.
He wants another
man to stop him.
I want to talk to the
partners of all the victims.
I want to find out if any of
the other men have been followed
and start with Peter Carol.
Can't, he's at a
press conference.
What press conference?
He's appealing for information.
Enwright's idea.
That is exactly
what the killer wants.
A basic component
of serial crime
is the need for recognition.
Parading those men on
national television
is only showing the killer
what he needs to see.
Dave, it's Enwright's idea.
That is a massive incitement
for him to kill again.
This isn't about the
man, it's about the women.
The killer doesn't hate women.
Oh, don't talk shit, Creegan.
This is Ellandon not
Chelsea bloody Harbor.
There-- there's nothing complex
about people around here.
The way they kill is
really very disappointing.
I'm not talking to you.
Well, I'm talking to you.
I can take you out
there right now
and I can you how
these murders happened.
First, there's a lot of the
very violent men in this town.
Second, this violence is
directed towards women.
Third, one of these
men is the killer.
And know I'm treated
like shit all week
and then come Friday, when
it all comes pouring out.
All his fears, his
frustrations, he's
got to take it out on
somebody and before he
knows what's happened well--
well, someone's been killed.
That's not how it is.
Don't tell me how it is.
Look, if you're trying to
tell me that the killer wants
to harm the men, well you're--
you're more off your
head than I thought.
Is this because of how
you feel about your wife?
Oh, right and what about
what happened to yours?
Leave it.
Just leave it.
What's the matter, Creegan?
Hit your own nerve?
Where's the press conference?
No!
Peter.
I really don't think
you should do this.
This isn't going to help.
If Enwright see's your
face all over tomorrow's
papers, what's going to happen?
Look, I know there's a thin
line between genius and madness
but do we have to show
everyone which side we're on?
If anybody has any information
about the person who
did this, you should
contact the police immediately.
It's 11:05, this
is on the telly
and I'm still eating my lunch.
...this again.
Mr. Carol.
Mr. Carol.
Well, all these men
have been very badly hurt.
But why these men?
Why were they selected?
It doesn't work like that.
They're individuals.
They must have
something in common.
People aren't a thing, Creegan.
They're a process.
They change over
time, they get better
despite the circumstances.
Tell me about Carl Laing.
Carl Laing wishes he was dead.
He's punishing himself
because someone he cared about
died while he was
200 miles away.
Pete Carroll is
clinically depressed.
John is still angry and
guilty after two years.
You tell me what any of
them have got in common.
They've all been bereaved.
Exactly.
You're back where you started.
What if I get them all
together in the same room?
You'll be telling them that
this was all their fault.
I really shouldn't do
that if I were you.
I mean, Anthony Matchin blamed
himself for Suzanne's death.
I don't have to remind
you what happened to him.
No, no, no.
Don't do that.
Is there anyone anywhere
in the last three
years who might
have a grudge against you?
I don't mean someone
who doesn't like you,
I mean someone who
really hates you.
Frank?
John?
Hate has enough to do with it?
If you can think
of anyone at all.
Where's Malloy?
It wasn't Malloy, Carl.
Malloy was in Macbeth.
My brother hates me.
I don't think he's done this.
Does your brother
know anyone here?
I'm serious.
My brother moved to
New Zealand in 1983.
He said he couldn't
get far enough away.
Look, the truth is
we've all got enemies.
Everyone makes enemies
all of the time.
Is there anyone anywhere?
There's a ratio of us.
I don't see what that's
got to do with all of this.
If you can
think of anyone at all--
I haven't worked in over a year.
Who might
have a grudge against you.
I can't remember.
Is this what happened to Lisa?
For the Ryan estate?
Come on, now.
Come on, it'll be all right.
I'll tell you
what we've got in common,
we're all getting tired of this.
Is anyone in charge of him?
What is it with you, Creegan.
I'm not making excuses
for being in charge.
I haven't got a problem
with you being in charge.
Yeah, then why have you
been such a difficult bastard?
You sent your family into exile.
That wasn't my idea.
Why do you have to
take it out on me?
I'm taking it out on everybody.
Can we talk about
something else?
Would you just keep out of this?
Come on.
Be honest.
Can't deny it.
What's this, start of
a no comment interview?
I'm sick of hearing this.
We're supposed to be a team.
Why can't we just wrap
this up and go home?
Why did I think of that?
The killer's a misogynist.
Can't we just stick to that?
He's not.
He hates everybody,
including himself.
It's a case of
takes one to know one.
I'm going to bed.
Why did you have to say that?
Going to try Hannah again.
Where you going?
Some of us have got
someone to go back to.
Hi,
you've reached Hannah and Mark.
I'm afraid we're not here right
now but please leave a message.
Hi, it's me again and it's late.
Think-- I think I
really need to talk.
I'm pretty sick of it here.
This is just--
I'll call you-- I'll
call you in the morning.
That's what I'll do.
I'm sorry if I've--
if I've woken you up.
Sorry.
OK.
Goodnight.
So you-- you're nowhere
near to finding this guy.
I wouldn't hold your breath.
This place is grim.
The whole building.
I'm not knocking
it, but it's grim.
Not good for me.
I've also figured
out why you do what you do.
People are dying to get out.
So if you're
not going to find this guy,
what's the point in staying?
I'm responsible.
This is serious business
and I'm not in charge,
but I'm responsible.
We've been up here
all this time.
We're no further on.
Anthony Matchin's dead.
Joanne Carroll's dead.
Jackie Saville was
only 24 years old.
She's dead.
They're all dead.
It's no way to die,
is it, you know?
24 years old.
Your heart ripped out and
stuffed in a dust bin bag
and left at the back of a
lorry for someone to find.
I dare say that isn't what
her parents had in mind.
I daresay her boyfriend
had other plans.
Sure you don't
want some of this?
Can I use your toilet?
Yeah.
Top of the stairs on the right.
It's good coffee.
Thank you.
I should've told them all this.
I shouldn't be bothering you.
Why didn't you tell them?
They were too busy taking
chunks out of each other.
I'm getting married
in nine weeks time.
Great.
That's all I need to know.
This is all dead.
It doesn't fit in.
Hannah thinks I'm on a drug
case with Customs and Excise.
How-- how do you
feel about lying?
How do I feel?
I've got an Italian
suit, an American gun,
Japanese mobile phone, direct
line to the Home Secretary,
and a mandate to do pretty much
what the hell I like, actually.
But the one thing I can't do is
talk to the person I'm marrying
and tell her the truth.
Taylor can do this.
Creegan can do
this in his sleep.
You know they got
rid of his family--
the OSC.
And new names, and
new addresses--
he can't even find them.
I don't want that.
If you're going to turn
over your life to something,
it should be something
that makes you proud.
That's why I'm getting out.
I'm doing things I'm
not proud of anymore.
If you don't stand
for something,
you'll fall for
anything, won't you?
Where did you say
your toilet was?
Upstairs on the right.
Thank you.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
It's OK.
It's OK.
But you cut me.
It's OK.
I'm sorry.
Sorry.
It's OK.
It's OK.
Ah, it's late.
I'll call you-- I call
you in the morning.
Hiya, Hannah.
It's me again.
And it's late.
I think-- I think I
really need to talk.
I'm pretty sick of it
here and this-- uh--
just-- I-- uh, I'll call you--
I'll call you in the morning.
That's what I'll do.
I'm sorry if I've woken you up.
Sorry.
Hannah.
Good night.
Good night.
We're looking for witnesses.
Talking to all the
hotel staff up there.
I've got a kid who
thinks he saw the car.
Thinks it arrived before 4:00.
Him and his girlfriend
left shortly afterwards.
Did he have a
look at the driver?
He says he didn't.
We're still trying to
contact the girlfriend.
You've no idea where
he might have gone
after he left you last night?
I don't know.
We'd been drinking.
Look, uh-- we can speak
about this later, then.
No.
I want to sort this out now.
Sorry.
Sorry.
Well, we'll get this
bastard one way or the other.
If I have to rip this
town apart, I will.
Eh, look.
Don't take this
personally, Creegan,
but you look like shite.
- Do you want a cup of tea?
- So what is it?
Tea and sympathy?
You look like you need it.
Tea?
Sympathy.
Do you want me to
take your coat?
I wanted to tell
you how sorry I am.
Look.
I'm not trying to
sell you anything.
Don't want to put you
under any pressure, but--
You want to know if I'm
in need of counseling?
For what it's worth.
Where did you meet him?
In Hell Park.
He'd come back from
playing football
and I couldn't start the car.
He-- he had some of that stuff
that you spray on the engine,
and next thing I know,
we've been out for a drink.
I'll be all right in a minute.
He-- he said you
were in Liverpool.
He-- he told me you
were doing some drugs
thing with Customs and Excise.
I've been told he was
killed up in Ellindon.
I'm not stupid.
I read the papers.
I know that Mark
lied to protect me.
How was he killed?
These are his clothes.
I've finished the autopsy.
It's all right to be viewed.
Massive internal hemorrhaging
from the stab wounds.
Strangulation after that.
There's evidence of a struggle.
He fought back.
I think he dug his fingers
into the killer's neck.
Have you seen
everything you need?
You'll have a couple of minutes.
Didn't take his gun with him.
Wherever he went, he felt safe.
You know we'll find the killer.
There'll be forensic evidence.
Rivers would have scarred
him when he fought back.
Can't think about that.
I don't know what to think.
I haven't had a straight thought
my head since I saw Mark.
Hannah didn't even
know he was up here.
But that's not
all he was hiding.
I found this in his kitchen.
He got a copy of
the personnel file.
Enright gave it to him
day before you came up.
I don't wanna exacerbate
your natural paranoia.
Enright had asked him
to compile a report
on your ability to do the job.
Enright told him to do it?
What else could he do?
You put one foot wrong, Dave.
Don't come back at all.
Forget this.
You can't read that far.
The local police are
looking for the killer.
Let them go.
We're going to get
they guy that did this.
He's not going to
get away with it.
We'll make him pay.
No!
It wasn't me.
Why me?
Why me?
I know you didn't do it.
I know you didn't do it.
I know you didn't do it.
Sorry.
I'm really sorry.
I'm so sorry.
I'm so sorry.
Creegan?
I didn't think anything
could touch me anymore.
He was a friend.
I can still see it.
What was left in
the boot of the car.
I don't ever want to look
at anything like that again.
Nothing compares to the
shock of seeing that.
It's changed me for good.
I know that you did it, Michael.
Well, you sent me the cards.
You wanted me to
know that you did it.
You sent me the
cards and you left
him where I would find him.
I need you to tell me
that you did it, Michael.
Otherwise we can't move on.
It's all right.
You can say it.
Take it off.
I'm asking you to take it off.
Show me.
Do you know why?
You lonely?
You afraid of rejection?
Happens to the best
of us, especially
when you don't belong.
You're like me.
You grew up around
here but you never
really felt you fitted in.
You want to be the same,
but you're different.
Peter, Frank, Tony,
Carl-- they'd all
got something we've not.
You became a therapist.
I moved down to London.
They became fitters and welders.
It wasn't just
because you're lonely.
You wanted the company of
a particular kind of man.
They were strong.
They knew who they were.
They knew where--
well, they thought they
knew where they were going.
Killing their wives
and girlfriends
brought those men
directly to you.
You didn't have
to lift a finger.
The police pushed them
straight through your door.
Did you get a hard on
talking to Carl Laing?
I am--
I'm not a homosexual.
I never said you were.
Just asking.
Did talking to Carl Laing
give you an erection?
I got excited.
Yeah.
But I never wanted to
sleep with him or anything.
Is it the grief that
makes you excited?
You know, you reduce
this man to tears.
The one thing he needs more
than anything in the world
has just been taken away from
him, and all he's got left
now is you.
Is that how it works?
Well, you know it is.
And is that why I'm here?
Am I your next victim?
No.
It isn't like that.
I panicked.
I thought Mark worked it out.
I panicked.
Yes, but you left his
body where I would find him.
You must have wanted me here.
I wanted you to break down.
I still might.
Uh-- I didn't plan to kill him.
I'm really sorry.
Well, it's like
you said, Michael.
Life goes on.
What's important to me now
is that I don't let him down.
Not just because my partner's--
in fact, he betrayed me
to the people I work for.
It's the fact that he's
dead, and you killed him.
I've got to do
something about that.
Who you calling?
A friend.
I've been looking
everywhere for you.
I'm at Lawler's house.
What are you doing?
Look.
Just stop.
You didn't stop.
You didn't stop
with Lisa D'Silva.
You carried on, but by the
time you got to Matchin,
you cut open Suzanne and
you hung her upside down
outside his home.
Don't talk about this.
I don't care.
I want to know why you
chose Anthony Matchin.
Look, my car had broken down.
Matchin came round to help.
But why did it have to be him?
Look, there are some things
in life you cannot explain.
Life's sacred,
and you take life.
You destroy it for
personal pleasure,
and then you act out
this shitty little ritual
as though the whole thing
has some sort of meaning.
What pushed you over the edge?
Was it Frank?
It's really-- it's
hard to explain.
There was-- there was something
about Frank that's-- that seemed
to bring everything together.
He knew things that I thought
about-- things I didn't know,
and he was someone to admire.
Someone to-- to be with.
His wife came in for counseling.
She was very upset by the
death of Frank's mother.
Frank came with her.
Started going to
see her at home.
Couldn't believe
what I was doing.
You know, walking up the
stairs, I'm thinking to myself,
what are you doing?
You know, talking to myself
and saying, this is stupid.
This is crazy.
This is crazy, you know.
You've got to stop this.
You've got to stop this
before someone gets hurt.
And then there was the
window and it was open.
So you pushed her through.
There's always the
temptation to destroy--
to do what's wrong.
You have to fight against it
to preserve your own sanity,
but you've got to
choose what is right.
And if I didn't think that was
true, you would be dead now.
Stand where he
stood when you did it.
Is this it?
Is this what you used?
You start here?
Work your way up?
Go and sit in the car.
Wait for me.
I'm the commanding officer here.
I'm ordering you to go outside.
Somebody has got to do it.
My fiance is dead, Creegan.
Please go outside.
You go outside now,
you're not a witness.
I can't do this if you're here.
Killing him would be a pleasure.
You're going to enjoy it.
That's going to stick with
you for the rest of your life.
Hand me the knife.
No.
I don't want you to do this.
Give me the knife.
Mark would not want
you to do this.
Give it to me.
Everybody trusted you.
Interview between David Creegan
and Susan Taylor of the
Organized and Serial Crimes
Unit and Michael James Lawler.
The time is 22:17.
I didn't have
anything against the women.
I tried to kill Lisa
because of Frank.
I killed Melanie
Holland because of John.
I killed Suzanne because of
Yeah.
Yeah.
Tell us about Anthony Matchin.