The Fall (2013–…): Season 3, Episode 5 - Wounds of Deadly Hate - full transcript

Do you believe you did
the things they say you did?

If I did, I wasn't
arrested, I was rescued.

The truth of a confession is
immaterial.

What's important is how
it was obtained.

I'm suggesting Gibson deliberately
provoked him.

How were we to know
she was that desperate?

Now you can add
attempted murder

to her list of charges.

- Are you Sean Healy?
- Yes!

Will you give this to Paul for me?

Paul Spector is due to be
moved today.



The next stage
of his assessments

are about to begin.

Mr Spector.
I'm August Larson,

the lead clinician here.

I need you to go to London.

I don't think we can afford to
dismiss the connection

between David Alvarez
and Paul Spector.

We've had a request
to disclose your dream diary.

He's in hospital,
he's incapacitated

and yet he's still
infecting the lives

of every person he
comes into contact with.

If a person is able
to do to others

what he fears may
be done to him,

he may no longer be afraid.



Doctor, I understand that for
you he's a patient,

someone worthy of understanding,
compassion, even.

But to me he's a...
He's a sexual predator.

I'm Mark Bailey, who are you?

I'm told I'm the Belfast Strangler.

Detective Superintendent Gibson?

Dr Larson.
What can I do for you?

Mr Spector's defence team

have sent me some excerpts
from your diary.

The pages where it is alleged

Mr Spector made an entry.

I see.

I sense your discomfort.

I have no doubt,

after seeing the entry he made,

knowing that he'd read your journal
felt like a violation.

Yes.

May I ask you,

how long have you kept a diary?

All of my life.

But not really since
I've been in Belfast.

I don't follow.

What Spector wrote in was
more of a dream journal.

Why do you keep a dream journal?

Why do you want to know?

Curiosity, probably.

Initially, I kept it as an
investigative tool.

I trained myself to wake up in the
middle of the night and...

..write down random thoughts.

Then I guess since then,

it's become a compulsion,
of sorts.

So you see dreams as
a kind of problem-solving?

I think maybe the sleeping brain

makes connections more quickly
than the waking mind does.

That is certainly possible.

I will treat the entries
with respect.

Thank you.

Goodnight, Dr Larson.

Goodnight.

THE FALL
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Oi!
What's all this!

Paul Spector, a 32-year-old,
right-handed male.

Referred from the
criminal justice system

for appraisal with
regard to his fitness

to plead and stand trial.

The charge sheet gives you
an idea of the alleged crimes.

Shot in police custody,

he underwent a splenectomy

so we should be mindful

of his post-operative condition and
ongoing medical needs.

In hospital,
after regaining consciousness,

he presented with severe
retrograde amnesia

in the absence of significant
anterograde amnesia.

I'm told Paul Spector never knew
his biological father.

His mother, Mary Garrison,

committed suicide
when he was eight years old.

She hanged herself.

After a period of two years
in a foster home

that appears to have been a
stable and safe environment,

he was transferred to
Gortnacull House.

He was there for three years.

At 13 he was sent to
another home in the South -

Dundalk, County Louth.

Apart from a very
agitated first wake up

and a violent emotional response

to being presented with
some of the evidence against him,

the hospital reports him having been
docile,

co-operative - friendly, even.

It is also very possible
he is someone who acts out

in a dangerous and illegal manner.

The police officer
Detective Superintendent Gibson...

..who at this stage might well be
the person who knows him best,

suggests he has a narcissistic,
sadistic personality.

With regard to his memory loss,

he could be feigning,

exaggerating or simply malingering.

So I suggest we approach Mr Spector
with...

respectful scepticism.

The daily structure is 8 to 9,
breakfast,

9 to 10, self-care tasks,

washing, dressing, laundry,
bed-making.

10 to 12 is therapy or
a 45-minute activity -

art, music whatever.

12 to 2 is lunch and rest period.

2 to 4 is therapy or further
activity -

life skills, relaxation,

self-awareness,
cooking.

5 to 6.30 is dinner and rest.

And 6.30 to 9.30 is leisure - pool,
watching a movie.

Back in your room at 9.30.
Lights out at 10.

Dr Larson will see you
later this morning.

Collect your breakfast there.

- All right? Eh, wee fry.
- Just a wee one.

You all right, mate?

- Ma'am.
- Yeah.

I have a copy of the letter
you asked for.

Thanks.

I probably shouldn't
write this letter to you

but this is hard evidence
to you that I exist,

exist for you, Paul.

I can feel you all over me,

like that night in your study,

I feel you crawling through my
veins, through my mind,

you grab and suffocate
my thoughts.

I am in pain for your pleasure.

I have forsaken my friends,

I have forsaken my family,

I am choosing my next move
carefully.

Their love is fake.

Fuck everyone who wants me
to step into the light.

It will burn my skin off.

The skin that I will carve our
poetry into

so you will be with me for ever.

I yearn for you when I stare into
the starless midnight.

You are the vast expanse
of the sky.

I don't regret a thing,
because the pain is all for you.

I will still love you

when I finally know
everything about you.

That's true love.

I fucking hate this.

I hate being without you.

I would kill them all if I could.
Crush them.

Crush them and their pathetic
lives.

Ma'am,
my client accepts

that she
has breached her bail conditions.

Her attempts to contact
Mr Spector,

the fact that she stayed away from
her home address,

breaching her curfew.

But there are mitigating factors,

Ma'am, that I'd like to draw
your attention to.

The defendant lost her father when
she was aged 13

in a motorcycle accident,

a shockingly violent accident.

She is now just 16 years old
and the best place for her

to be at this difficult time
is at home.

Her mother,
who is present today in court,

is prepared to stand surety.

I have checked with the police and
they are happy

as to the source of the monies
offered by Mrs Benedetto

to support the suretyship,

namely savings she has
accumulated to...

Mr McSwain,
let me just stop you there.

Now, your client is not just in
breach of her bail conditions,

she is alleged by the prosecution

to have committed another very
serious offence -

throwing a corrosive fluid with
intent to harm.

Had it not been for the quick
thinking of a friend,

who irrigated her eyes
with a drink,

the victim might well
have lost her sight.

Now, I feel I have no choice,
therefore,

other than to remand her to the Seapark
Juvenile Justice Centre in Bangor.

There she will be appointed
a case manager and a key worker

who can assess her needs.

She will be able to attend school
also, if she so wishes.

I don't care what you do,
or what you think, or say.

The only one who's honest is Paul.

He's the only person I choose
to listen to,

the only person who sees this world
for what it really is.

Full of sheep like you being
fattened for slaughter.

Pigs waiting for the butcher.

You have a lawyer to look
after your interests.

Any issues you may have,
you address them through him.

Fuck you. Fuck you all.

Security, please!

You requested all the
Susan Harper files?

- That's right.
- This is everything that we have here.

Well, thank you.

OK,
so this is what I'm thinking.

We lodge civil proceedings

and make an abuse
of process application.

Adverse publicity?

That certainly, but also police
misconduct.

Specifically,
Detective Superintendent Gibson.

I want you to draw together all the
strands of police and

prosecution behaviour that
has been questionable.

- Starting with the stage-managed arrest?
- Before that.

From the point the investigation
assumed his guilt and focused

on him and him alone.

Stage managing the arrest,
the additional sexual oppression,

the failure to bring
him to court

promptly once he was charged,

all of it a vendetta from the
start against our client.

Do you think that adds up to
misconduct of sufficient gravity?

- To warrant a stay?
- Maybe not,

but it will certainly
cause a delay.

We need more than just issues of
competency to work with.

The abuse of process application
more than adds up.

You suspect

that Gibson had a previous
relationship with Burns.

It seems she has also had liaisons
with other colleagues.

Spector was in the hotel room

when Burns was there
with Gibson.

Let's assume therefore that Spector
had knowledge of that relationship.

He also had access
to her dream diary

which gave him insights
into her other liaisons.

What if the damage
this could cause

Stella Gibson's career
was a possible motive

for her failure
to protect him in the forest?

Spector's whereabouts were
leaked by a detention officer

within the custody suite.

What if Gibson was in on that leak?

What if Spector's life
was deliberately

put at risk by Gibson
through police misconduct?

Everyone knew Tyler was
out there with a loaded gun

and a clearly stated aim
to find and kill Spector.

And she let it happen.

Let's make her pay.

Do you have your own room key?

No.

I do.

I'm allowed to feed the
fish in the aquarium.

I used to help with serving
the meals

but I gave larger portions
to people I liked so,

I'm not allowed to do that any more.

I have art today, so...

Wasn't well, better now.

Wasn't well, better now.

I don't think there was any
criminal intent.

She approached you, she invited
you back to her place.

"I'm not saying she was asking
for it necessarily,

"but we've all been there,
too much to drink,

"one thing leads to another,
things get out of hand.

"We're used to dealing with these
sorts of offences.

"We understand how these
things can happen."

What officer is that talking?

Er, this is Rees.

"What did she do to anger you,
David?

"Did she insult you?
What made it turn nasty?

"Was she still dressed when you
had sex with her?"

"Alvarez: Maybe."

"She wasn't was she? She was naked.
Did she ask you to tie her up?

"David? Was she into bondage?
Tell us how you killed her."

"I strangled her."

"- How did you strangle her?"
"- With my belt."

"You see, David, if you say that,
you're not helping me.

"- You didn't use your belt, did you?"
"- No."

"What did you use?

"Come on, David,
think about what you used."

"Hathaway: You'd taken your
clothes off, David.

"You were naked, weren't you?"

"Yes."

"So what did you use to
strangle her?"

"Just my hands, just my bare hands."

"There were no strangulation
marks

"on her neck, David.
None.

"Were there any pillows on the
bed, David?"

"I smothered her.

"I took a pillow and put it over her
face and smothered her."

I mean, Jesus,
there's leading the witness

and there's shoving
words down his throat.

Why weren't Alvarez's defence
all over this?

I'm afraid the typical
relationship

between a psychiatrist and patient,
where everything that is said

in this room is confidential,
does not apply.

Anything you tell me
can be put in the report.

Because it is the Court that
has asked me to conduct

the evaluation,
you don't have the right

to refuse to participate.

Even if you, for example,

choose not to answer
my questions,

I will still need to provide
the written report that will be

sent to the court and made
available to your lawyer.

If the judge orders a hearing

on the issue of your competency

I might be called to testify
in court.

Do you understand?

Yes, I do.
I will answer your questions.

Good.

That's good.

Tom.
Have a look at this.

This was a key part of the
prosecution's case.

That's the victim,
Susan Harper,

and that's David Alvarez
leaving the nightclub together.

Who is that, do you think?

Do you understand the police's
version of events?

The severity of the charges?

Yes, I do.

Do you remember making a confession?

No.

Can you provide a reasonable account
of your behaviour around the time

of the various alleged offences?

No.

Or your state of mind?

No.

Do you think you could manage your
emotions and behaviour

in a courtroom?

I think I could, yes.

Do you think you would be able to
keep track of events

as they unfolded?

Yes.

Would you be able to
challenge witnesses?

That is, to recognise distortions
in witness testimony?

No, I wouldn't be able to do that.

Not unless my memory returned.

Do you understand the sentence that
could be imposed on you

if you are found guilty?

I would spend the rest of
my life in prison.

Will my memory return, Doctor?

Do you want it to?

I might have something
significant, ma'am.

A Peter Baldwin
working as a waiter

in a Caribbean restaurant
called the Plantain Garden.

And the restaurant went bust,

closed in 2008, but the owner still
has his paperwork.

He had reason to give
Peter Baldwin a warning,

a reprimand that stayed on file.

It's dated Saturday August
the 17th, 2002.

The day before the Harper murder.

Why was he reprimanded?

An argument with a customer
that turned nasty,

came to blows.

And the owner positively
identified Spector?

I sent him all the photographs
we have on file.

He seems pretty certain.

The restaurant was in SW9.

Susan Harper's flat was in SW16.

That's Brixton and Streatham.

Both in Lambeth.

I will, thanks for letting us know.

The police say they have fresh
evidence to put to Spector.

What sort of evidence?

Forensic, documentary.

Apparently they have found
a lock-up rented by Spector.

They want to interview him
about the contents.

Fuck!

I'll need to see proof of that and
all the information that was

placed before the judge to
get those warrants.

Get back to the PPS first thing
in the morning.

I want full disclosure.

Oh also, contact The Foyle,

see if Larson thinks Spector's fit
to be interviewed.

Fuck!

It could be Spector.

Rose Stagg puts Spector in
London at the right time.

22 years old, clean-shaven.

It's hard to tell.

No, it's not.

That's him.

I know it's him.

Well, we couldn't quite believe the
interrogation tactics -

a classic old school interview -

trickery, deceit,
psychological manipulation.

Alvarez thought he'd be able to go
home after confessing.

And it seems he fell for it all.

For some reason
he seemed eager to please.

I've no idea why the defence team
weren't all over it.

All the evidence
was pretty strong -

the only other fingerprints
found at her flat were Alvarez's

and the only DNA recovered
from her body was his.

True, but when it comes
to the actual murder

they had to lead him by the nose

to get him
to where they wanted him to be.

He really seemed to lack
detailed knowledge.

I have a good feeling about this.

I can smell Spector's involvement.

And when do you see Alvarez?

In the morning.

Call me with any developments.

- Goodnight.
- Goodnight.

We can order things off the nurses.

They go shopping twice a week.

You just give them the money and
they'll get you the things you want.

I don't have any money.

Why are you in this place?

Don't tell me if you don't want to.

I twisted my sister's arm.

I twisted it so far round it broke.

Why did you do that?

I had a haircut.

It...

gave me a new personality.
It made me more feminine.

I thought I was turning homosexual.

When I came home,

my sister said I looked gay.

So I twisted her arm.

She was screaming and I didn't stop.

Then it snapped.

Then I suppose I...panicked.

How old was she?

Younger than me.

- How much younger?
- Quite a lot younger.

What's your diagnosis?

A psychotic with convulsive
disorder.

They say I had childhood
schizophrenia.

I thought there were hidden messages
in the colours of cars

passing on the street.

I started communicating
with car sounds.

And then the sounds turned
into voices.

What kind of voices?

Like...people,
but just out of hearing.

When I'm bad,
I see faces in the mirror.

The risperidone helps.

How long have you been in
this place?

Five years.

I was on the news, but not like you.

It's time to go to your room now,
Paul.

12, is the answer to your question.

What?

Mark Bailey's sister.
12 years old.

And he left out the best bit.

After he broke his sister's arm,

he raped her, then carried her
into the street,

threw her into a passing bin lorry
that crushed her to death.

The dregs of humanity.

Sweet dreams.

Anderson.

It's Assistant
Chief Constable Burns.

Good evening, sir.

I understand you're seeing
Alvarez tomorrow?

Yes, sir.

I thought I might tell you something
about Gortnacull

that might be useful.

Thank you, sir.

I remember...

..when I arrived there,

being struck by how
grand-looking it was.

Lovely gardens, outside pool,

views over Belfast Lough.

Apparently so much
more than the boys

would have been used to
at home in Belfast.

Just off the entrance hall

there was a large dining room.

All the boys we interviewed

told of how they were
taken there every day...

..and made to masturbate

to entertain the staff members.

Masturbate themselves,

masturbate members of staff.

We did fluorescence tests
on the carpet.

It was covered in stains.

David Alvarez was there

at the same time
as Paul Spector...

as Peter Baldwin.

He would know about that.

He would remember that dining room.

That-that was all.

Just...

That was all.

I just took a call from the
DPP, ma'am.

It seems that Sean Healy
has lodged a complaint against you

with the Police Ombudsman.

I see.

Also an abuse of process
application.

You'd better give me the details.

This is my client, David Alvarez.

David, this is Detective Sergeant
Tom Anderson

and PC Dani Ferrington.

Thanks very much for
talking to us, David.

I haven't yet.

You understand that
it's in connection with

your conviction for murder?

- Frazer's explained, yes.
- Good.

I wonder, do you recognise this man?

For the purposes of the tape,

I'm showing David a picture
of a male individual.

I do, yes.

What name do you know him by?

Peter Baldwin.

How do you know Peter Baldwin?

We were in Gortnacull House
together.

When was that?

Ah, I was there from 1990 to 1994.

I'm a year younger than him.

Right.
And when was the last time

that you saw Peter Baldwin?

In 2002.

- Where was that?
- In London.

And what were the circumstances
of that meeting?

- Was he there at your invitation?
- No, we met by chance.

The last time I'd seen him was

at Gortnacull when I was 12.

At Gortnacull with Father Jensen.

Perhaps we can talk about
the period in your life

before you were first incarcerated.

When you compiled your own map
of Dundalk.

What do you want to know?

When did that behaviour
begin for you?

What behaviour?

The voyeurism.

Around that age. 13 or so.

What were you seeking, do you think,
in behaving in that way?

Relief.

From?

Boredom.

Loneliness.

It was exciting that they were...

unsuspecting, unaware.

Because of the possibility
of seeing someone naked,

or disrobing,

or engaging in sexual activity?

No, not just that.

Then what?

Seeing into homes.

Real homes.

Comfortable, warm.

A glimpse into lives being led.

Full lives.

I'd imagine myself in those homes,

as part of those lives,
at the dinner table...

watching television
with the fire on.

How did it make you feel,
being on the outside looking in?

Lonely.

Angry?

Yes.

Aroused?

When did you start breaking in?

When I'd built up the courage.

How did you do that?

I'd get closer to them.

How?

I'd telephone them.

Deliver their newspapers.

Ride with them on the bus.

Once, I even carried
a woman's shopping home for her.

Were the break-ins spontaneous,
or did you plan?

I made extensive, elaborate plans.

I discovered that it was easy.

For the most part, people feel safe.

They forget to turn the alarm on,

leave windows open, patio doors.

I didn't want anyone to feel safe.

Why should they have that luxury?

We just hung out.
We drank, we took drugs.

What sort of drugs?

Coke, mainly.

Where was this?

In Brixton.

We shared a flat in Brixton,
in Coldharbour Lane.

Were you with Paul Spector...

Peter Baldwin...

on the night that
Susan Harper died, David?

We think you were.

I'm producing a lap top

showing CCTV
footage of Exhibit NS1.

Taken from Edenvale Road,
London, SW9,

on Sunday the 18th of August 2002
at 1:45am.

We think that's Paul Spector,

leaving the club with you and Susan
on the night that she died.

So your interest in voyeurism

gave way to a desire to

break into the observed space?

To violate those individuals
in a more intimate way?

You're thinking that the voyeurism
was a...

..precursor to more aggressive
sexual deviancies?

No,
I'm just trying to understand

the progression of your criminality.

I thought I'd put it all behind me.

When I married Sally Ann.
When Olivia was born.

I thought that was all in the past,

troubles of my youth.

But now I'm being told that

it was the opposite.

Like an addict,
I'd gone from bad to worse.

In my view, those distortions
originate from

a variety of places in childhood.

Childhood victimization.

Faulty family relationships.

General psychological distress.

They are not so easily dealt with.

Not without help.

They are not so easily cast aside.

Did you confess because you
felt guilty about the offence?

Maybe.

Maybe, yes.

Or to protect someone?

You see, David,
when I look at this interview...

..like...I can see you've...

..you've no idea
how the murder took place.

You don't even know
if there was a murder.

I can see that you were led
and prompted by the detectives

in a shameful
and unprofessional manner.

It's time to tell the truth, David.

I have here the transcript
of that interview,

dated the 22nd of August 2002.

"Reese - Why was there a washing-up
bowl by the bed, David?"

"- What?"
"- A plastic washing-up bowl."

"I don't know."

"What colour was that bowl?"
"Blue?"

"Were you cleaning up the scene,
washing your hands, what?"

"I was stoned."

"- So now you were stoned?"
"- I'd been drinking."

"So what colour was the bowl?"

"Grey? Green? Brown?"

"Green, David, yes."

I think I know
why that bowl was there.

And it relates to the modus operandi
of Paul Spector, Peter Baldwin.

Are you sure he killed
all those girls?

Yes, we are.

Why are you protecting him, David?

No-one has any idea
how bad Gortnacull House was.

Only those that were there.

- I have some idea.
- No, you fucking don't.

Then tell me.

Tell me, David.
Tell me about the dining room.

Was there morning assemblies?

How do you know about that?

One of my colleagues
was the arresting officer

who put Jensen and
several others in prison.

And they did forensic tests there,

and they found the carpet
in that room

covered in semen stains.

David?

Is that something
that happened to you?

Did you have to masturbate
in front of other boys,

staff?

- Everyone did.
- Peter Baldwin?

I said, "Everyone did."

Me, Pretty Boy...

..everyone did,
at one time or another.

Pretty Boy?

- Jensen's name.
- For Spector?

For Baldwin, Spector, whatever.

Jensen always had a favourite.

A boy of about 12 or 13 years of age

that he would single out
for his special attentions.

And the tradition was
that when he was leaving,

a special boy had to
nominate his successor.

So Jensen and Baldwin
came to our dormitory one night.

Peter was due to leave,
and Jensen made Peter choose.

He could have chose me.

He looked straight at me.
Straight at me.

Jensen looked straight at me.

And I knew Jensen wanted me.
I felt it.

But Peter walked straight past me
and chose another boy.

I don't know who, some poor fuck.

I didn't look, I didn't even care.

Just as long as
it wasn't me.

Being Jensen's favourite
was the worst thing...

the worst thing you can imagine.

David...

..are you certain
that Baldwin, Paul Spector,

was Jensen's favourite?

For a full year.

Every night and every day
for a full year.

Do you know why your mother
took her own life?

Because my love
wasn't enough for her,

enough to...keep her alive.

Whenever I was ill, as a child...

..she'd take me into her bed
and care for me.

And Baldwin would sleep in mine.

And when he left, she was...

..so sad that I slept in there
with her, every night.

Just me and her in the world.

The car lights would sweep across
the ceiling...

..and I'd imagine that...

..we were on a raft together
drifting in the water.

Just me and her in the world
but we had each other.

I still remember her smell,
the smell of her clothes.

On my eighth birthday...

..after he'd left...

she told me that...
he wasn't my father.

That my real father...

..unreal father...

..was a British soldier
who was gone before I was born. Hm.

That was her...birthday gift to me.

Ten days later, she was dead.

Were you the one to find her?

It was a school day.

She wasn't there at the gate
to pick me up,

so I walked home.

Rang the doorbell,
there was no answer.

But there was a key under the mat,
so...

..so I let myself in.

I shouted out, there was no reply.
The radio was on.

I looked around.

I went upstairs...

..pushed against her bedroom.

There was a...thump
against the door.

So I pushed more until I got in.

And...she was on
the back of the door...

..belts around her neck.

I shouted at her,
but there was no response.

I didn't know if
she was dead or alive.

I called 999.
The ambulance men came.

They...

..they told me to wait in my room.

I looked out the window and...

..I remember this red blanket
that they used

to cover her
when they wheeled her out.

All that day, people came and went

and nobody told me
what had happened.

Then later someone said that
she'd "gone to a better place."

I suppose I knew she was dead but...

there was a part of me that
thought maybe she was alive...

..living elsewhere...

..in a better place
because I wasn't there.

The last memory I have of her,

she was very angry with me,

angry for something I'd done.

I don't know what.

You know you worked
on a suicide helpline

for some years?

No.

You did.

And, of course,
as a bereavement counsellor.

Why were you drawn

to that line of work,
do you think?

Something morbid in me, I suppose.

After my mother died...

..I had this...recurring dream.

I was lying in a coffin...

..and I was cut up into...

..small chunks.

But there was a nerve
that ran through every piece

that was connected to my brain.

That sounds very frightening.

Why would he take
the blame, David Alvarez?

Why would he do that
for Spector?

Beyond the debt of gratitude?

It's clear he felt guilty.

He was part of it, after all.

He wrote long rambling letters
of apology

to Susan Harper's parents
from prison.

In his interviews he seems
very vulnerable...

and suggestible.

I guess he's toughened up
in prison,

but I wonder

if he didn't get off
on it in some way at the time.

He seemed very flattered
by the detectives'

"boys will be boys" bullshit.

And, suddenly, he was the centre
of attention, a kind of celebrity.

Oh. Have you spoken to Chris George?

Is he going to want
a Met officer to sit in on any

further interviews regarding
the Harper murder?

He's happy for you
to represent the Met,

and he said he'll back us

if we reopen the Alvarez
investigation.

That's great news.

We're seeing Spector tomorrow
to put the new evidence

from the lock-up to him.
When are you back?

First thing. I'll go straight to
the Serious Crime Suite.

- Good work, Tom.
- Let's hope so.

Detective Superintendent Gibson.

This interview is being recorded

at the Down Serious Crime Suite.

The date is the 16th of May 2012

and the time,
by my watch, is 1400.

I'm Detective Sergeant Anderson,
and the other police officer present

is Detective Superintendent
Gibson.

Can you please state your
full name and date of birth?

Peter Paul Spector,
25th of May 1979.

- And also present is?
- Sean Healy, solicitor.

And at the conclusion
of the interview

I'll give a notice of how
you can obtain a copy of the tapes.

You do not have to say anything,

but I must caution you if you
do not mention when questioned

something you later
rely on in court,

it may harm your defence.

If you do say anything,
it may be given in evidence.

Do you understand the caution?

Yes.

We have reason to believe
that you rented

a lock-up as a storage unit
in the name of Peter Baldwin.

I'm showing a lease agreement
for that lock-up.

Is that your signature
on the document?

For the benefit of the tape,

Paul Spector has declined
to answer the question.

So, in that lock-up,

along with a car
we believe you stole,

we found a number of items
that we'd like you to account for.

Now, we believe that
these...documents,

these diaries or journals,
are your work.

I'm showing exhibit ME369,

which is a journal,
and also

a copy of the contents
of the journal.

Now...are you able to identify
the subject of this journal,

a woman with the initials RW?

- No.
- This is pointless.

My client is undergoing assessment

because he is suffering
retrograde amnesia

which covers
all autobiographical memory

for a period of six years or so.

Then perhaps you recognise this man?

I'm showing a photograph
of a male person.

What's this?

We believe he was with you
in Gortnacull Children's Home

and that you met him again

in 2002,
in London,

which is a period that falls

outside the timeframe
of your purported amnesia.

What has this got to do with
the contents of the lock-up?

Before my client answers...

..could you please explain
the relevance of this photograph?

This man is, at present, serving
a life sentence for a murder,

a murder he committed in 2002.

Even then, I'm sorry, but it falls
outside the scope of this interview.

The murder of this woman. I'm showing
a photograph of the female victim.

DCI Eastwood has just entered
the room at 14:03.

Paul Spector,
I am further arresting you

for the murder of Susan Harper

at Flat 16 Thornton Rise,

SW16 3CV, on the
18th of the eighth, 2002.

I must remind you
that you are still under caution.

I insist this interview
be suspended.

I must take instruction
from Mr Spector.

Do you recognise this man?
Do you know his name?

- David Alvarez.
- This interview stops now.

Interview has been suspended
at 14:04

so that Paul Spector can consult
with his solicitor.

Who the fuck is David Alvarez?

Just as they've said,

someone I knew
when I was a child

and then again
in London in 2002.

A convicted murderer?

- Yes.
- What is going on?

The police have been clever.

They have something on me
that I can actually remember.

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